No one mentioning how Jim wasn't finals MVP?

[Thebesteva]

I love how people crucify Kobe for not being finals mvp those 3 times. Some even dare to say he wasnt truly FMVP in 09-10, of course those people have tiny asian eyes. Yet, Jim winning somehow counts just as much as any other ring all of a sudden?

I personally think it counts, but I always cracked up at the idea that Kobe didnt deserve those 3 since he was only option 1b.

[Clipper Nation]

OP can never decide whether to bash Kirby to try to fit in with Spurfan or to hop on Kirby's nuts like he's doing in this thread :lol

[midnightpulp]

If Duncan had Finals MVP worthy stats, the Spurs probably lose the series.

The recipe for beating Miami is passing, passing, passing. Slowing the game down running the offense through the post would've been a disaster.

Duncan was also the 2nd best defensive player in the series after Kawhi, and did a hell of job locking down the paint.

[ezau]

I love how people crucify Kobe for not being finals mvp those 3 times. Some even dare to say he wasnt truly FMVP in 09-10, of course those people have tiny asian eyes. Yet, Jim winning somehow counts just as much as any other ring all of a sudden?

I personally think it counts, but I always cracked up at the idea that Kobe didnt deserve those 3 since he was only option 1b.

Boiled down:

Duncan 3 FMVPS

Kirby 2 FMVPS

Let us proceed.

[ChumpDumper]

kobefan still defensive

[IrisHockey]

Duncan had a negative adjusted WARP based on sabermetrics.

[ChumpDumper]

Duncan had a negative adjusted WARP based on sabermetrics.

Sounds important.

[midnightpulp]

Duncan had a negative adjusted WARP based on sabermetrics.

Link?

[IrisHockey]

No link, that was just me bullshitting.

[Thebesteva]

Boiled down:

Duncan 3 FMVPS

Kirby 2 FMVPS

Let us proceed.


If Duncan had Finals MVP worthy stats, the Spurs probably lose the series.

The recipe for beating Miami is passing, passing, passing. Slowing the game down running the offense through the post would've been a disaster.

Duncan was also the 2nd best defensive player in the series after Kawhi, and did a hell of job locking down the paint.

Thats exactly my point, finals mvp was always pretty overrated. It's not I that choses to discredit a player of his generation type for not being finals mvp, thats spur fan logic.

[King Emmanuel]

No link, that was just me bullshitting.

lol

[Thebesteva]

OP can never decide whether to bash Kirby to try to fit in with Spurfan or to hop on Kirby's nuts like he's doing in this thread :lol

Its too easy to pick on you right now. We all know you cry hysterically at nights on your Lebron pillow asking Christ why this had to have happened

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BM5SaPfiL._SS400_.jpg

[King Emmanuel]

Its too easy to pick on you right now. We all know you cry hysterically at nights on your Lebron pillow asking Christ why this had to have happened

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BM5SaPfiL._SS400_.jpg

wow badass pillow where to buy i wonder

[Kool Bob Love]

Thats exactly my point, finals mvp was always pretty overrated. It's not I that choses to discredit a player of his generation type for not being finals mvp, thats spur fan logic.
He still has one more than kobe lol

[xellos88330]

Ok, then if you aren't going to recognize the finals mvp awards since they aren't based on their body of work, how about MVP trophies?

[ezau]

Thats exactly my point, finals mvp was always pretty overrated. It's not I that choses to discredit a player of his generation type for not being finals mvp, thats spur fan logic.

Duncan:


5 rings
3 FMVPS
2 MVPS


Kobe:


5 Rings
2 FMVPs
1 MVP


Boiled down:


Duncan>Kobe


Let us proceed.

[midnightpulp]

Thats exactly my point, finals mvp was always pretty overrated. It's not I that choses to discredit a player of his generation type for not being finals mvp, thats spur fan logic.

No one "discredits" Kobe for having less Finals MVPs. We just state a fact that Duncan has more.

[Clipper Nation]

Its too easy to pick on you right now. We all know you cry hysterically at nights on your Lebron pillow asking Christ why this had to have happened

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BM5SaPfiL._SS400_.jpg

Nah, too busy crying tears of joy at another Stanley Cup :downspin:

[Kidd K]

Sure, he didn't win FMVP, but the real difference is that Shaq was either the best or 2nd best player in the NBA during all three of those rings (with hilariously, Tim Duncan being best or 2nd best to that Shaq that entire time).

Kawhi Leonard was not even top 15 this year, possibly not even top 20. Parker arguably wasn't either in 2007.

Shaq was #1, #2,#2 for Kobe's first three rings. If you guys can't understand the difference then by your logic, Pippen > Kobe and Parker and Manu each = Shaq and > Bird. :lol

You need to establish a baseline of logic for judging this stuff. Not keep changing it to fit arguments.

But yes, this Duncan ring doesn't mean as much as say, his 2003 ring, which is worth more than any of Kobe's by far.

[Arcadian]

Because he's 38. The context is completely different. We're not criticizing him for not winning FMVP; we're simply pointing out that Shaq was the team leader in 2000-02.

[King Emmanuel]

kobe did face tougher opponents in the finals than timmy though

[RsxPiimp]

Jim likes piggybacking 20 year olds to win championships, these are the things we know.

[King Emmanuel]

timmy may not have been the best player but he didnt piggyback anyone.

[spurraider21]

I love how people crucify Kobe for not being finals mvp those 3 times. Some even dare to say he wasnt truly FMVP in 09-10, of course those people have tiny asian eyes. Yet, Jim winning somehow counts just as much as any other ring all of a sudden?

I personally think it counts, but I always cracked up at the idea that Kobe didnt deserve those 3 since he was only option 1b.
nobody says he didn't deserve them, but its also not correct to weigh those championships the same as, say, Duncan's 03 title based on the role on the team. similarly, it would be retarded to weigh Duncan's '14 title equally to the 99 title... but that's what Lakerfan/Kobestan likes to argue, its all about rings

[DAF86]

I love how people crucify Kobe for not being finals mvp those 3 times. Some even dare to say he wasnt truly FMVP in 09-10, of course those people have tiny asian eyes. Yet, Jim winning somehow counts just as much as any other ring all of a sudden?

I personally think it counts, but I always cracked up at the idea that Kobe didnt deserve those 3 since he was only option 1b.

People don't crucify Kobe for not being finals MVP in 3 of his 5 championships. People just fight Kobefans that talk about Bryant's championships like if he would have been the main dog in all of them. It's not even about finals MVP, it's about being the best player of those championship teams 'cause Duncan in '07 didn't win finals MVP but he was clearly the best player on the Spurs, Kobe wasn't the best player on his first 3 championships and therefore you can't just blindly say "yeah, but Kobe has 5 rings" when arguing individuals 'cause those first 3 championships aren't the same as the other two he won as the main man.

When people remind that Kobe didn't win finals MVP in his first 3 'ships is only to apply perspective on Kobefans logic.

[Malik Hairston]

I don't understand why Kobefan groups his 2000 role with his 2001 and 2002 roles:lol..

Kobe was an elite player in 2001 and 2002, but not even close in 2000..

[100%duncan]

:lmao :lmao Option 1b :lmao :lmao

it's fucking option 2 :lol

BOILED DOWN::

'99,'03,'05,'07=TD TOP DOG OF HIS TEAM
Shaq, Shaq, Shaq, MVPau, MVPau= :lol kirby

Let us proceed...

[TDMVPDPOY]

one thing for certain is clowns would always bring up duncan into discusssions to keep their player relevant where there is no discussion to talk about...

[Mugen]

Don't care, Duncan rang.

[spurraider21]

I don't understand why Kobefan groups his 2000 role with his 2001 and 2002 roles:lol..

Kobe was an elite player in 2001 and 2002, but not even close in 2000..
not to mention getting outplayed by just about every perimeter player in the series, including Austin Croshere :lol

[100%duncan]

one thing for certain is clowns would always bring up duncan into discusssions to keep their player relevant where there is no discussion to talk about...

http://37.media.tumblr.com/050c32139fa108cf6ddef3f3785e0012/tumblr_mnrt9g0sbF1st7xqmo1_400.gif

[100%duncan]

one thing for certain is clowns would always bring up duncan into discusssions to keep their player relevant where there is no discussion to talk about...

http://37.media.tumblr.com/050c32139fa108cf6ddef3f3785e0012/tumblr_mnrt9g0sbF1st7xqmo1_400.gif

[ambchang]

Thats exactly my point, finals mvp was always pretty overrated. It's not I that choses to discredit a player of his generation type for not being finals mvp, thats spur fan logic.

No, Kawhi did play like the Finals MVP, and guess what? He led the Spurs in win shares in the regular season as well.

Vs. Kobe who NEVER led the Lakers in regular season WS in any of the championship seasons.

Also, not a coincidence the Spurs went into a slump with Kawhi out of the lineup, and lost the only game in the Finals with Kawhi in foul trouble.

[100%duncan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqOE5wxCAAAuMFY.jpg

We don't need to, Tammy has already surpassed Kirby in that category before. Time to pass the torch.

[DMC]

I love how people crucify Kobe for not being finals mvp those 3 times. Some even dare to say he wasnt truly FMVP in 09-10, of course those people have tiny asian eyes. Yet, Jim winning somehow counts just as much as any other ring all of a sudden?

I personally think it counts, but I always cracked up at the idea that Kobe didnt deserve those 3 since he was only option 1b.

You're comparing prime Kobe to about to retire Tim.