serious question, when did duncan's reign as the best player ended?

[RsxPiimp]

there's so much talk about duncan being the best player since MJ, strangely, this affirmation took place after duncan won his 5th title. this time riding the coattails of a 22 year old.


how can duncan be the best player when kobe and lebron ruled the league from 2006-2014?

[Ghazi]

Link to when Kobe ruled the league... Oh the TV told you he ruled the league so you assumed t was true

[hitmantb]

I would say it ended after 2003, when he defeated 2 of the other top 10 players in league history as lone star of the Spurs. He had to play 42 minutes a game in the post season to do it.

To me that was the biggest individual accomplishment in NBA history. I can not remember any other time a team with no other star player, defeated another team with 2 of the top 10 players in league history at/near their prime.

He started to experience nagging injuries from fatigue, Pop started to control his minutes but it was too late.

[Warlord23]

2014 playoff stats:

PPG - Duncan 16.4, Leonard 14.3
RPG - Duncan 9.1, Leonard 6.7
AST - Duncan 1.9, Leonard 1.7
BLK - Duncan 1.3, Leonard 0.7
PER - Duncan 21.0, Leonard 18.7
Win shares - Duncan 3.2, Leonard 2.9

Leonard was the Spurs' best player during the Finals, but Duncan was overall the Spurs' best player through the playoffs. And this has been true for all 5 title runs.

Kobe has at most been the 3rd best player in the league in any given year. The best player in the league have always been from this list: Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, LeBron, Durant

[ChumpDumper]

lakerfan is taking the Spurs' championship especially hard.

[RsxPiimp]

lakerfan is taking the Spurs' championship especially hard.

Not really, I dont care much for dynasties and legacies tbh, I just want to talk basketball.


It seems to me the notion of Duncan somehow leapfrogging the better players of this generation after winning a title to which he was the 2nd best player is absurd. Actually, all this ring count is totally stupid if you think of it but we'll play that card since that's what the media goes for.


Still, Duncan hasn't really been the best player of the game since when, 2004? We can argue about semantics but Kobe and Lebron both owned 4 regular season MVP's, 4 Finals MVP's and about 4 NBA titles since and they were the undisputed best players during those years. Duncan wasn't even in anyone's Top 10 list for the past 3 years.

[ChumpDumper]

Not really, I dont care much for dynasties and legacies tbh, I just want to talk basketball.


It seems to me the notion of Duncan somehow leapfrogging the better players of this generation after winning a title to which he was the 2nd or 3rd best player is absurd. Actually, all this ring count is totally stupid if you think of it but we'll play that card since that's what the media goes for.


Still, Duncan hasn't really been the best player of the game since when, 2004? We can argue about semantics but Kobe and Lebron both owned 4 regular season MVP's, 4 Finals MVP's and about 4 NBA titles since and they were the undisputed best players during those years. Duncan wasn't even in anyone's Top 10 list for the past 3 years.Seems really important to you.

[RsxPiimp]

Seems really important to you.

Talk about basketball? Sure. I never said otherwise.

You're free to discuss basketball or add more post count. It's up to you.

[ChumpDumper]

Talk about basketball? Sure. I never said otherwise.

You're free to discuss basketball or add more post count. It's up to you.Duncan's great.

Spurs are champs.

lakerfan bites ankles.

[RsxPiimp]

Duncan's great.

Spurs are champs.

lakerfan bites ankles.

That's cool if that's your take. But that's not what I asked. *shrugs*

[ChumpDumper]

That's cool if that's your take. But that's not what I asked. *shrugs*Can't say it matters all that much to me.

I'm more amused by lakerfans' coping strategy. You guys really kicked into high gear after Sunday.

[Warlord23]

Best players since the 1997 season: <edited to include Garnett for the 07-08 season>

96-97: Jordan
97-98: Jordan / Malone / Shaq
98-99: Duncan / Shaq
99-00: Shaq
00-01: Shaq
01-02: Duncan
02-03: Duncan
03-04: Garnett
04-05: Duncan / Garnett
05-06: Dirk / LeBron
06-07: Dirk / LeBron
07-08: Garnett / LeBron
08-09: LeBron
09-10: LeBron
10-11: LeBron / Dirk
11-12: LeBron
12-13: LeBron / Durant
13-14: Durant / LeBron

[Ignignokt]

Fuck, this could have been a good bball thread, but chump had to hijack it with his autism

[HI-FI]

future is not going to be nice for Kobestans. Duncan was always better, but now even the old media are starting to realize they were duped by a rapist.

http://conservativehideout.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/rats.jpg

[Mugen]

Hard to pinpoint but that nigga Tim is still contending for titles at 40 years old while kids are gonna soon ask "What was Kobe/KG like in their prime?"

[z0sa]

Tim gave up stupid arbitrary bullshit like the concept of this thread back when he couldve been scoring 25 every game so he could still be an effective player on a title winning team today.

[ChumpDumper]

Fuck, this could have been a good bball thread, but chump had to hijack it with his autismlol following me around.

When was your last basketball take?

[SpursDynasty]

2005/2006 only because Duncan has not had to carry the Spurs are on his own for a long time.

[Ignignokt]

lol following me around.

When was your last basketball take?

this is not your brightest day bike helmet boy, with 85k post it's hard not to run into your autism in every thread.

[ChumpDumper]

this is not your brightest day bike helmet boy, with 85k post it's hard not to run into your autism in every thread.Hey, another post about me.

Turns out you don't care a bit about the OP after all.

Just me.

[DMC]

there's so much talk about duncan being the best player since MJ, strangely, this affirmation took place after duncan won his 5th title. this time riding the coattails of a 22 year old.


how can duncan be the best player when kobe and lebron ruled the league from 2006-2014?

2005 Kobe missed the playoffs and Tim won his 3rd Finals MVP. In 2007 Tim beat Lebron in the Finals. If you call missing the playoffs and losing ruling the league, I can see why you're a Kobe fan.

Also, just like the chink you are, you stole the "rode coattails" schtick. Tim is the great mentor. Only a Kobe loving, front running chink would think a leading scorer is the best player in the game while another player never missed the playoffs and build his franchise himself, making legends and MVPs of other players along the way. Kobe is several years younger yet Tim has seen two Finals and won a ring since Kobe won his last playoff game. The person Kobe was banking on, planning on building a statue for in LA, the same one who dumped Kobe while Kobe was hobbled for another team... lost in convincing fashion to the same team that Tim rolled over in 5 games. The last historical beat down prior to this season was last season when Tim rolled over the Lakers in 4 and made Howard the laughing stock of the free world. Subsequent to missing his 2nd consecutive playoffs and 3rd overall, Kobe takes half the team's salary cap as a golden parachute in a huge "fuck you" to the chink and be@ner Lakers fans, much like yourself.

A season might be a sprint, but a career is a marathon and Tim has everyone who's not yet retired in his rearview mirror... as a dot on the horizon. That includes your hero.

So it's about relevance. Kobe isn't relevant. Chris Paul is more relevant than Kobe Bryant.

[ChumpDumper]

Tim's minutes really started dropping off after 03, so those going solely by stats will probably be inclined to say the "reign" ended there.

Considering the potential Duncan minutes passed up by Pop, it's easier to see how fruitless this kind of debate is.

[DMC]

Tim's minutes really started dropping off after 03, so those going solely by stats will probably be inclined to say the "reign" ended there.

Considering the potential Duncan minutes passed up by Pop, it's easier to see how fruitless this kind of debate is.
It's amusing that people say Lebron reigns and they use stats to prove it, yet Durant won't the scoring title how many times and he's the MVP this year.... and didn't make the Finals.

When it's all said and done, Lebron will probably have 4 or 5 rings. He will be one of the best to ever do it. Along the way, if he doesn't rape his team or anyone else, if he doesn't cry to Stephen A Smith about quitting, if he doesn't get called uncoachable by the most decorated coach of all time, if he doesn't pattern his game after someone he'll never be because he's a bitch made faggot, he's already better than Kobe and the rings just solidify it.

[RsxPiimp]

this is not your brightest day bike helmet boy, with 85k post it's hard not to run into your autism in every thread.

:lol

[FkLA]

When did Kobes start? :lol

[midnightpulp]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playo...n-mvp-rankings

[RsxPiimp]

Wow, some of the Spurs fans are really taking this the wrong way and quite hard, I might add :lol. This is no way to diminish his legacy, that is my point exactly. His standing in the All Time Greats has been firmly placed since 2006 and I dont believe the Spurs championship gives him a compelling reason to suddenly deserve the proclamation overnight as the "Best player since Jordan" in a series where he's not even the 2nd or even 3rd best player (This belongs to Lebron followed closesly by Leonard)


Duncan hasn't been truly great from an individual standpoint but rather a very valuable piece as a system player for a while now. Are we now just forgetting the numerous failures when he was actually still in All Star form?


Almost swept by the Lakers in 2008
The Spurs were upset in the first round by a 6th seed in 2009
They were SWEPT by Mike D'Antoni's Suns in 2010
They were upset again in the first round by an 8th seed in 2011
They were backdoor SWEPT by OK in 2012
Lost a favorable series in 2013 (In which Duncan missed in what shouldve been an automatic 2 points)


Duncan's 5th championship did not suddenly made him better than Lebron or Kobe :lol who put in a lot more work, and were successful during these several years, mind you.

[midnightpulp]

Wow, some of the Spurs fans are really taking this the wrong way and quite hard, I might add :lol. This is no way to diminish his legacy, that is my point exactly. His standing in the All Time Greats has been firmly placed since 2006 and I dont believe the Spurs championship gives him a compelling reason to suddenly deserve the proclamation overnight as the "Best player since Jordan" in a series where he's not even the 2nd or even 3rd best player (This belongs to Lebron followed closesly by Leonard)


Duncan hasn't been truly great from an individual standpoint but rather a very valuable piece as a system player for a while now. Are we now just forgetting the numerous failures when he was actually still in All Star form?


Almost swept by the Lakers in 2008
The Spurs were upset in the first round by a 6th seed in 2009
They were SWEPT by Mike D'Antoni's Suns in 2010
They were upset again in the first round by an 8th seed in 2011
They were backdoor SWEPT by OK in 2012
Lost a favorable series in 2013 (In which Duncan missed in what shouldve been an automatic 2 points)


Duncan's 5th championship did not suddenly made him better than Lebron or Kobe :lol who put in a lot more work, and were successful during these several years, mind you.

Exactly. Duncan was already the best player since Jordan and the player of his generation. He didn't need this title to prove that. Just icing on the cake.

[Clipper Nation]

For a group of people who were all supposedly rooting for the Spurs to win, Kirbystan sure has been in meltdown/damage-control mode since Duncan rang :lol

[spurraider21]

You keep referring to 08-11 which nobody claims were Duncan's best years :lol. Duncan was better in '12 and '13 than most of those years :lol. Duncan was still the best player in 05

[RsxPiimp]

Exactly. Duncan was already the best player since Jordan and the player of his generation. He didn't need this title to prove that. Just icing on the cake.

Well at least you see my POV.



For a group of people who were all supposedly rooting for the Spurs to win, Kirbystan sure has been in meltdown/damage-control mode since Duncan rang :lol

Barking at the wrong tree tbh. This is off season talk, I dont care about players rankings and entirety. I don't live vicariously through their accomplishments :lol

[RsxPiimp]

You keep referring to 08-11 which nobody claims were Duncan's best years :lol. Duncan was better in '12 and '13 than most of those years :lol. Duncan was still the best player in 05

And even in those years, if you really would like to take those seasons into account, he failed miserably, that's being fair btw, since players are always judged how far or short their team goes :lol

[spurraider21]

And even in those years, if you really would like to take those seasons into account, he failed miserably, that's being fair btw, since players are always judged how far or short their team goes :lol
thats fine. Any 3 day stretch of Duncan's career is better than 05-07 for Kobe, which is his prime :lmao

3 seasons without winning a single playoff series... good grief

[DAF86]

Boiled down

Duncan: 5-3-2
TOSB: 5-2-1

[DAF86]

Man, it's so fucking beatiful watching Kobefans grasping for something and having absolutely nothing to back on. :lol

[DMC]

Wow, some of the Spurs fans are really taking this the wrong way and quite hard, I might add :lol. This is no way to diminish his legacy, that is my point exactly. His standing in the All Time Greats has been firmly placed since 2006 and I dont believe the Spurs championship gives him a compelling reason to suddenly deserve the proclamation overnight as the "Best player since Jordan" in a series where he's not even the 2nd or even 3rd best player (This belongs to Lebron followed closesly by Leonard)


Duncan hasn't been truly great from an individual standpoint but rather a very valuable piece as a system player for a while now. Are we now just forgetting the numerous failures when he was actually still in All Star form?


Almost swept by the Lakers in 2008
The Spurs were upset in the first round by a 6th seed in 2009
They were SWEPT by Mike D'Antoni's Suns in 2010
They were upset again in the first round by an 8th seed in 2011
They were backdoor SWEPT by OK in 2012
Lost a favorable series in 2013 (In which Duncan missed in what shouldve been an automatic 2 points)


Duncan's 5th championship did not suddenly made him better than Lebron or Kobe :lol who put in a lot more work, and were successful during these several years, mind you.

You didn't have the objections you should have if you had courage of conviction then, because it's long been said here that 5>4 so now that Duncan has 5 as well, you're here saying that the rings don't matter any more. How convenient a position for you suddenly, but... no.

[DMC]

thats fine. Any 3 day stretch of Duncan's career is better than 05-07 for Kobe, which is his prime :lmao

3 seasons without winning a single playoff series... good grief

3 seasons without winning a single playoff game as well.

[TDMVPDPOY]

one thing for sure and ceratin set in stone record books for the monkey is this, kirby will never in his lifetime be challenging anyone to make a name fro himself that his better from here on...enjoy sittin at home nursing that tendon

[Brunodf]

2009

[Buddy Mignon]

Duncan was never the best player. It went from Mikan to Wilt to Kareem to Magic to Jordan to Kobe to Lebron. Other players had great seasons in between but they never reigned. Kobe was from 2001-2011.

[ambchang]

there's so much talk about duncan being the best player since MJ, strangely, this affirmation took place after duncan won his 5th title. this time riding the coattails of a 22 year old.


how can duncan be the best player when kobe and lebron ruled the league from 2006-2014?

Horrible troll bait by rehashing other peoples point of views. I guess magic rode worthys coattail because worthy won the finals MVP.

I guess Kobe road Shaq's coattail ... Wait, he did.

Anyways. A player who at one point is the best player in the league but sucked for 5 other years is not as great as the player who was great consistently.

Two, 1999 to 2005 were post Jordan years and Duncan was either the best or second best in all those years.

Third, Kobe was never the best player in the league at Any point In His career. Nash in 2005, dirk from 2006 to 2008, then Lebron all the way.

[ambchang]

Not really, I dont care much for dynasties and legacies tbh, I just want to talk basketball.


It seems to me the notion of Duncan somehow leapfrogging the better players of this generation after winning a title to which he was the 2nd best player is absurd. Actually, all this ring count is totally stupid if you think of it but we'll play that card since that's what the media goes for.


Still, Duncan hasn't really been the best player of the game since when, 2004? We can argue about semantics but Kobe and Lebron both owned 4 regular season MVP's, 4 Finals MVP's and about 4 NBA titles since and they were the undisputed best players during those years. Duncan wasn't even in anyone's Top 10 list for the past 3 years.

Moving the goalpost. It was always 5>4 for laker fans and now that card can no longer be played, some arbitrary best player of the year is used when Kobe had 1 MVP to Duncan's 2.

And leapfrogging? Duncan has always been better. Only idiots didn't know that.

[ambchang]

Wow, some of the Spurs fans are really taking this the wrong way and quite hard, I might add :lol. This is no way to diminish his legacy, that is my point exactly. His standing in the All Time Greats has been firmly placed since 2006 and I dont believe the Spurs championship gives him a compelling reason to suddenly deserve the proclamation overnight as the "Best player since Jordan" in a series where he's not even the 2nd or even 3rd best player (This belongs to Lebron followed closesly by Leonard)


Duncan hasn't been truly great from an individual standpoint but rather a very valuable piece as a system player for a while now. Are we now just forgetting the numerous failures when he was actually still in All Star form?


Almost swept by the Lakers in 2008
The Spurs were upset in the first round by a 6th seed in 2009
They were SWEPT by Mike D'Antoni's Suns in 2010
They were upset again in the first round by an 8th seed in 2011
They were backdoor SWEPT by OK in 2012
Lost a favorable series in 2013 (In which Duncan missed in what shouldve been an automatic 2 points)


Duncan's 5th championship did not suddenly made him better than Lebron or Kobe :lol who put in a lot more work, and were successful during these several years, mind you.

And Kobe rules the league from 06 till when again? How does team success factor in those years?

[midnightpulp]

It went from Mikan to Wilt to Kareem to Magic to Jordan to Shaq/Duncan to Lebron. Other players had great seasons in between but they never reigned.

Only one year did I feel Kobe was the best player in the league. In '08. His playoff run was amazing until Thibs exposed him. You don't blow a 24 point lead at home in the Finals and get blown out by 39 in the closeout game and still be considered the best player in the league.

"But Kobe had no help."

Here's how he played in those two games:

20.5ppg on .317 shooting.

He let his team die.

[Clipper Nation]

Only one year did I feel Kobe was the best player in the league. In '08. His playoff run was amazing until Thibs exposed him. You don't blow a 24 point lead at home in the Finals and get blown out by 39 in the closeout game and still be considered the best player in the league.

"But Kobe had no help."

Here's how he played in those two games:

20.5ppg on .317 shooting.

He let his team die.
Not to mention, he had the most stacked frontcourt in the league for help, including Alpha MVPau and Beta Odom, tbh....

Just like in 2004, Kirby started thinking he was the star instead of a role player and it all went to shit....

[ambchang]

Duncan was never the best player. It went from Mikan to Wilt to Kareem to Magic to Jordan to Kobe to Lebron. Other players had great seasons in between but they never reigned. Kobe was from 2001-2011.

No biases. Bird never won 3 straight MVPs, neither did Russell.

[ezau]

Duncan>Kobe

[RsxPiimp]

Not to mention, he had the most stacked frontcourt in the league for help, including Alpha MVPau and Beta Odom, tbh....

Just like in 2004, Kirby started thinking he was the star instead of a role player and it all went to shit....



Stop reaching and being an idiot. Dude.

[RsxPiimp]

And Kobe rules the league from 06 till when again? How does team success factor in those years?

Team success factors very well in his case after the stigma of Kobe can't win without Shaq. Winning a useless MVP award and 2 valuable Finals MVP's asserts that.

[Clipper Nation]

Stop reaching and being an idiot. Dude.

A blown 24-point lead followed by a 39-point loss in the Finals clincher. Christ almighty!

Imagine what Kirbystan would say if that was LeBron or Duncan....

[Clipper Nation]

Team success factors very well in his case after the stigma of Kobe can't win without Shaq.
He may have "won without Shaq" but he's still never won as the alpha male or without elite bigs to carry him, tbh....

[StrengthAndHonor]

I feel Duncan has always been the better player than Lebron and Kobe, that's in terms of value and ranking even before winning this year. Capturing his 5th title did not make him a better player but my admiration for him continues to grow. He's a rare breed, one that truly puts his team above personal accolades. I don't like going in-depth with rankings since there are far too many variables but Duncan is right there with Magic and Kareem, both looking up at MJ.

Lebron despite of his failures can still move up. Kobe too, though his chances are fairly slim to none.

[100%duncan]

TD lead the team in almost all advanced stats this playoffs iirc?

Fck being the best in the league when you are the best in a championship team. :lol

[RsxPiimp]

TD lead the team in almost all advanced stats this playoffs iirc?

Fck being the best in the league when you are the best in a championship team. :lol

Hoy Kupal, manahimik ka. Masyado kang madaldal. :lol

[RsxPiimp]

A blown 24-point lead followed by a 39-point loss in the Finals clincher. Christ almighty!

Imagine what Kirbystan would say if that was LeBron or Duncan....

That quote wasn't for you btw bro. It was for Amb fwiw :lol

[100%duncan]

Hoy Kupal, manahimik ka. Masyado kang madaldal. :lol

Masakit ba ang totoo? hahahaha

[Venti Quattro]

Mein neger RsxPiimp

[RsxPiimp]

Masakit ba ang totoo? hahahaha

:lol:toast

[RsxPiimp]

Sup Venti Quattro :lol

[100%duncan]

:lol:toast

:toast kabayan

[RsxPiimp]

:toast kabayan

Pinas or US?:toast

[100%duncan]

Pinas or US?:toast

Pinas lang pre. :cry

[RsxPiimp]

Ahh, it's all good bro. I miss Pinas. :toast

[Venti Quattro]

Sup Venti Quattro :lol

Been watching the World Cup and just exchanging banter with terrorist lefty in the soccer forum to ease the pain away. :cry It still hurts :cry

[100%duncan]

Ahh, it's all good bro. I miss Pinas. :toast

Salamat. Bulok na dito kung panoorin mo pa yung privilege speech ni Revilla nakakadismaya. Goodluck jan at sa pangtotroll dito. :lol

[RsxPiimp]

Been watching the World Cup and just exchanging banter with terrorist lefty in the soccer forum to ease the pain away. :cry It still hurts :cry
Algeria :lol



Salamat. Bulok na dito kung panoorin mo pa yung privilege speech ni Revilla nakakadismaya. Goodluck jan at sa pangtotroll dito. :lol
I know, I keep track of shit back home, nakakabwiset! lmao. Congrats again pre. :lobt2:

[100%duncan]

Algeria :lol



I know, I keep track of shit back home, nakakabwiset! lmao. Congrats again pre. :lobt2:

Salamat :lobt: :flag:

[AaronY]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playo...n-mvp-rankings

link is broken

[midnightpulp]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/page/PostseasonMVPs-140617-1/postseason-mvp-rankings

[scanry]

Salamat. Bulok na dito kung panoorin mo pa yung privilege speech ni Revilla nakakadismaya. Goodluck jan at sa pangtotroll dito. :lol

Filipino or chink tbh?

[100%duncan]

Filipino or chink tbh?

Filipino :lol

[Franklin]

Phillibeans didn't even have their own written language before Americans went there and civilized them, tbh.

[100%duncan]

Phillibeans didn't even have their own written language before Americans went there and civilized them, tbh.

Agreed tbh.

[Kidd K]

Best players since the 1997 season: <edited to include Garnett for the 07-08 season>

96-97: Jordan
97-98: Jordan / Malone / Shaq
98-99: Duncan / Shaq
99-00: Shaq
00-01: Shaq
01-02: Duncan
02-03: Duncan
03-04: Garnett
04-05: Duncan / Garnett
05-06: Dirk / LeBron
06-07: Dirk / LeBron
07-08: Garnett / LeBron
08-09: LeBron
09-10: LeBron
10-11: LeBron / Dirk
11-12: LeBron
12-13: LeBron / Durant
13-14: Durant / LeBron

While I agree with this list mostly, let's expand the question to, "how long was Duncan a top 2-3 player?" "top 5?". I think Duncan was top 5 from 1998 until 2007. And top 1-3 from 2000-2004.

Being the definitive top player was mostly just in the early to mid 2000s, until the knee issue started to get the better of him.

[TampaDude]

FIVE RINGS, FAGGOT! :lol

[Malik Hairston]

1999: Shaq
2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq/Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Duncan
2006: Wade
2007: Duncan/Nowitzki(would have clearly been Dirk if the playoffs meltdown hadn't occurred)
2008: Garnett
2009: Lebron
2010: Lebron
2011: Lebron
2012: Lebron
2013: Lebron
2014: Lebron

Duncan was pretty great in 2007, I'm surprised so many people have already forgotten..he should have easily won DPOY that year, too..

[Arcadian]

^I think Duncan should be the best of 99, considering the Spurs swept the Lakers out of the playoffs on their way to the title with TD as FMVP.

Anyway, I think the OP was confusing two distinct claims: Duncan has been the best player every year since Jordan retired (not true and no one ever said this), and Duncan is the best player post-Jordan overall (which is true). In terms of individual seasons, he probably was #1 in 99 and 02-07, possibly with the exception of Garnett in 04.

[Malik Hairston]

I used to have Duncan at #1 for 1999, but after looking into it and watching some of the games a few months ago, I think Shaq was still the best player in the league, at that point..David Robinson was still a star player, at that point, tbh, while the Lakers had nothing outside of Shaq..

[ambchang]

Team success factors very well in his case after the stigma of Kobe can't win without Shaq. Winning a useless MVP award and 2 valuable Finals MVP's asserts that.

So you are saying Kobe reigns from 09 to 10? So where does that put Lebron?

And going by that logic, Duncan ruled till 2005, and apparently he ruled once more than Kobe did. So you basically answered your own question.

Boiled down: Duncan 3 : Kobe 2

[Ginobili3]

TD's singular rule was from 2003-2007. Kobe ruled from 2008-2010. Lebron started his reign in 2011. All in imo

[FkLA]

TD's singular rule was from 2003-2007. Kobe ruled from 2008-2010. Lebron started his reign in 2011. All in imo

:lol No. Other than the fact that he had a great frontline as teammates, there is literally nothing that Kobe had on LeBron from 08-10.

LeBron has been by far the best player in the league since his first MVP.

[Ginobili3]

:lol No. Other than the fact that he had a great frontline as teammates, there is literally nothing that Kobe had on LeBron from 08-10.

LeBron has been by far the best player in the league since his first MVP.

Nah I wouldn't say that. Lebron was good but he wasn't half the defender nor shooter Kobe was during those yrs; 2008-2010 were Kobe's best. Also, Lebron's post game hadn't nearly developed to how good it is now (Kobe had a slightly better post game) so Kobe was better for those 3 yrs imo. Lebron had always been a better rebounder, passer & finishing at the rim but his offensive arsenal didn't really start to grow until he went to Miami. Kobe won the MVP in 08 also, and he did have a slight dropoff in 2010 (cue game 7 of the Finals) but Lebron hadn't "bloomed" yet. 2011 and onwards is when he solidified himself as a better on-ball & off-ball defender, passer, rebounder & finisher than Kobe was.

[FkLA]

Nah I wouldn't say that. Lebron was good but he wasn't half the defender nor shooter Kobe was during those yrs; 2008-2010 were Kobe's best. Also, Lebron's post game hadn't nearly developed to how good it is now (Kobe had a slightly better post game) so Kobe was better for those 3 yrs imo. Lebron had always been a better rebounder, passer & finishing at the rim but his offensive arsenal didn't really start to grow until he went to Miami. Kobe won the MVP in 08 also, and he did have a slight dropoff in 2010 (cue game 7 of the Finals) but Lebron hadn't "bloomed" yet. 2011 and onwards is when he solidified himself as a better on-ball & off-ball defender, passer, rebounder & finisher than Kobe was.

You lost me at Bron wasnt half the defender Kobe was...

[RsxPiimp]

Kobe's best years IMO were from 2006-2010. He was straight up unstoppable in the game. :lol

He went from an offensive juggernaut (2006, 2007) into a bonafide leader, olympic gold medalist and a back to back champion (2008-2010) :hat

[Ginobili3]

You lost me at Bron wasnt half the defender Kobe was...
Not yet at least. Now he's better.

[spurraider21]

Kobe's best years IMO were from 2006-2010. He was straight up unstoppable in the game. :lol

He went from an offensive juggernaut (2006, 2007) into a bonafide leader, olympic gold medalist and a back to back champion (2008-2010) :hat
:lol in 2006 and 2007 he was stopped by SSOL. his best individual season as an alpha was 2008 even though they lost in the finals. the scariest version of kobe was in 2001 and 2002, back when he was an elite defender as well

[Ghazi]

Anyone who says Kobe > Lebron from 08-10 simply didn't watch basketball and is just hoping people forget what it was actually like.

[Malik Hairston]

Kobe was slightly better than Lebron in 2008 IMO, but it has clearly been Lebron since the 2008-2009 season..

[TDfan2007]

Best player post-Jordan year by year:

1999 - Duncan/Shaq
2000 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2002 - Shaq/Duncan
2003 - Duncan/Garnett
2004 - Garnett/Duncan
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Wade/Dirk (Duncan had PF that year, but still had an incredible playoff run)
2007 - Duncan/Dirk
2008 - Kobe/Lebron/Garnett/Duncan (no clearly dominant player this year)
2009 - Lebron/Kobe
2010-2014 - Lebron

Kobe's two best years were 2005-2009, but he was only arguably the league's best player in 2008 and 2009. Duncan's knees gave way around 2009, so he stopped being elite again until 2012, when he refined his game from being the best post player in the league to the best pick and roll/pop big in the league.

This thread is just another Kobefan grasping at straws tbh...

[ambchang]

TD's singular rule was from 2003-2007. Kobe ruled from 2008-2010. Lebron started his reign in 2011. All in imo

Kobe from 08-10 wasn't even as good as Kobe from 05-07. The only difference was that he got the best front court in the league from 08-10 but only a decent team from 05-07.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

2008 when he got Plantar Fasciitis and played with it for two years. Then he got the knee problems in 09-10. Didn't start looking like his old self until the '11-'12 and the Spurs started to turn things around.

[ambchang]

2008 when he got Plantar Fasciitis and played with it for two years. Then he got the knee problems in 09-10. Didn't start looking like his old self until the '11-'12 and the Spurs started to turn things around.

Honestly, I think Amy Duncan and the investigation has something to do with it.

[Ginobili3]

Kobe from 08-10 wasn't even as good as Kobe from 05-07. The only difference was that he got the best front court in the league from 08-10 but only a decent team from 05-07.
I think Kobe was just an overall better player though during those later years. Strictly speaking scoring though? Maybe he was better previously.

[RsxPiimp]

Nah 08-10 Kobe > 05-07. 05-07 was really all about scoring, the years succeeding that were his best years. it mirrored his 2003 season in a way but with more maturity.

[ambchang]

I think Kobe was just an overall better player though during those later years. Strictly speaking scoring though? Maybe he was better previously.


Nah 08-10 Kobe > 05-07. 05-07 was really all about scoring, the years succeeding that were his best years. it mirrored his 2003 season in a way but with more maturity.

From both stats and advanced stats perspective, 05-07 was better. The only thing 08-10 was better in was winning, and that was purely because of MVPau.

[RsxPiimp]

From both stats and advanced stats perspective, 05-07 was better. The only thing 08-10 was better in was winning, and that was purely because of MVPau.

Nope. That's where stats fool everyone. :lol There's a lot of things that made Kobe better even before Pau arrived. I watched him, you didn't.

[ambchang]

Nope. That's where stats fool everyone. :lol There's a lot of things that made Kobe better even before Pau arrived. I watched him, you didn't.

Who said I didn't watch him?

MVPau made him better, because MVPau is, well, MVPau. He just makes second bananas better.

Kobe, as an individual person, was clearly better in 05-07.

Saying 08-10 Kobe is better is like saying 13 wade was better than 09 wade just because he won a title.