Kawhi: 5 years $80 million per Bill Simmons?

[Mel_13]

Unless something has changed under this CBA, you can match amounts on an offer sheet, and still give the player maximum years and hometown raises.

Once he signs an offer sheet that is submitted by the other team, that becomes his contract. No adjustments to the length of the contract or the amount of the annual raises. Match or don't match, those are the only choices

[TheGreatYacht]

tahahahaha

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi is going to get paid..If they are waiting till next year it would benefit both parties.

Instead of a max extension, he gets a max contract...Instead of 15 Million a year, he gets 20 million a year...

Really happy for Kawhi...

:)

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi is going to get paid..If they are waiting till next year it would benefit both parties.

Instead of a max extension, he gets a max contract...Instead of 15 Million a year, he gets 20 million a year...

Really happy for Kawhi...

:)
Keep thinking that. So far, he's a half MLE player :)

[ElNono]

Kawhi is going to get paid..If they are waiting till next year it would benefit both parties.

Instead of a max extension, he gets a max contract...Instead of 15 Million a year, he gets 20 million a year...

Really happy for Kawhi...

:)

He thought Manu would retire instead of re-signing for a bargain 2/$14m and delivering #5, tbh... so don't sweat it.

[TheGreatYacht]

He thought Manu would retire instead of re-signing for a bargain 2/$14m and delivering #5, tbh... so don't sweat it.

Pretty hard not to think that after his performance and another year older

[ElNono]

Pretty hard not to think that after his performance and another year older

he clearly had enough in the tank, tbh... even if he was playing poorly... i'm glad he came back...

[apalisoc_9]

Manu still have a few spanks in the tank, IMO...He along with Patty, Boris, Kawhi and Danny are really what makes the Spurs Motion offense the way it is.

he is not 28 and forces the issue every now and then.., but I thought he played super smart basketball last year. I expect the same from him this year..

[ElNono]

Manu still have a few spanks in the tank, IMO...He along with Patty, Boris, Kawhi and Danny are really what makes the Spurs Motion offense the way it is.

he is not 28 and forces the issue every now and then.., but I thought he played super smart basketball last year. I expect the same from him this year..

yeah, obviously he's not prime gino anymore... i think he might come back for one more run next season barring any serious injury

[apalisoc_9]

yeah, obviously he's not prime gino anymore... i think he might come back for one more run next season barring any serious injury

Wouldn't mind the spurs paying him 3-6 if he really wants another year...His chemistry with Tiago, Belli, Patty, and Boris is worth Millions..

The foreign guys not Including Parker just love playing together...

It's true what they say in forbes....People who make enough money value Work environment more than anything else...

Manu is a great leader.

[dbreiden83080]

At this point in time his offense is just not worthy of the kind of money we are talking about here. If this means the Spurs lose him well then I guess the Spurs lose him.. Do people really think this is a guy you can build around to win more championships with? Right now he is a really good complementary player and that's it.

[therealtruth]

He's worth the max as long as he can deliver in the playoffs and finals. That's what really matters.

[FkLA]

ST always trying to shortchange players. Still true to this day. :lol

[Chinook]

Kawhi became a no-brainer max guy about three months after this thread last saw posts. However, it was nice to see a thread from before guys like Otto Porter and Allen Crabbe got max deals just for showing up. It's going to take years before we see the market fully settle down. These decent RFA guys are probably going to be the contracts that take longest to right themselves.

[$pursDynasty]

To me it has always seemed that the Spurs allow players to get that $ once (get close to what they would get outside) and then hope that said player gives them the hometown discount after that. So under that scenario I would be fine paying the KingSlayer his money if that is what he wants this contract and then hope/pray he follows the examples of the pillars that have gone before, and give the Spurs the hometown discount.

[south side spur]

I think there's a good chance Kawhi signs for less than the super max only because of the state income tax factor.

[Hoops Czar]

yeah, obviously he's not prime gino anymore... i think he might come back for one more run next season barring any serious injury

Swing and a miss. :lol

[look_at_g_shred]

All you have to do is look at our record with him and then look at the glaring contrast to the record without him. 3 straight WCF appearances and 2 straight Final's appearances. When is the last time that's happened? Oh yeah....never. But...but...but he's not worth it :lol If we lose Kawhi that's it. There is not going to be another player like him that will play for the spurs in the near future. Pay him.
:tu

[look_at_g_shred]

Give him what he wants tbh. He's given everything he has to this team since he was drafted.

[baseline bum]

ST always trying to shortchange players. Still true to this day. :lol

Wow I forgot how many people were unwilling to pay Kawhi and just let him walk. He was an obvious max player then and I would have never guessed he'd become an MVP candidate and top 2-3 player in the league.

[dabom]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kawhi get the full five-year max extension. But I'd be disappointed, since the Spurs would absolutely be bidding against themselves by doing so. I hate max extensions for rookie deals. Absolutely hate them. They make no sense.

:lol

[dabom]

Sorry, but this is way too much money. Kawhi has never been the first, second, or even third option on this team. He won Finals MVP, but Ginobili and Diaw had better a PER than him in the Finals. Furthermore, he's just not a superstar. He simply lacks the elite athleticism and ability to dominate the stat sheet night in and night out. Seriously, this is franchise player money. And Kawhi is NOT the franchise. The Big 3 and Pop are.

I like Kawhi, but in the end, he's just a quality role player on a GREAT team. 8-10 million a year would have been perfectly reasonable. 16.5 million a year is not. That kind of money is for the FIRST option Superstar. And anyone calling Kawhi a SUPERstar is just being foolish. I almost want to agree with Durant now. This is getting out of hand. Kawhi has been great for us, but ultimately he's just another glorious piece in the Spurs system. You put Kawhi on the Milwaukee Bucks and things are way different.


I like Kahwi, but IMHO he still needs another year to prove himself worthy of $16mil a year.... hopefully this is just a rumor.... if not, hopefully Kahwi proves himself worthy for that type of money.


Seriously, Kawhi is still extremely shy on the offensive end. He still passes up too many shots and hesitates too much. The Spurs system relieves him of a lot of the offensive burden. Pop even said he never called a single play on offense for Kawhi this year. I believe it. He's not even close to our first option. We'd run a play first for Danny Green at the end of a game instead of Kawhi--and that's no joke.

5 years/80 million is superstar money. Kawhi is not even close to a superstar. Kawhi should get something like 4 years/48 million. Anything more is ridiculous. And the Spurs need to wait until NEXT summer to extend him, so that the open market can properly determine his value before the Spurs do something stupid and give him something like 5 years/80 million.... I guarantee you no team will pay him that kind of money after being in the Spurs system for the last 4 years. That will in turn make it much easier and more cost-effective for us to sign him, and he can sign a reasonable contract fitting of his status as a very quality role player on a great team.


Kawhi is great, but he does not deserve to be the highest paid player on a championship team full of accomplished veterans.

A salary of 12M/yr is fair for all parties involved. And his salary would be slightly less than that of Tony Parker's.


KL was the #3 scorer on the Spurs for the regular season and the playoffs. He's a terrific talent, but is not yet worth the max IMO. The Spurs' system ensures that no single player is indispensable. Also the Spurs' pitch to him will involve a plan of how they can put enough pieces around him to contend for the title. If TP is worth 12.5m per, I think they can agree on something like 14m per year with Kawhi.


Kawhi isn't a max player but he may eventually be one. I doubt the Spurs will give him a max contract at this point.


I love Kawhi, but he is not worth 16 million a year. That's going to handcuff the Spurs' salary cap and he will be struggling to be worth that much.

I realize they want to keep him, but jesus. 16m is a lot.


5/80is way too much, i'll give him a 5/60 deal


I don't think he will get offered a max though. Let's look at a similar player production-wise; Luol Deng. He got 12m a year and his contract was considered toxic trade-wise. Even if Kawhi was 33% more valuable than Luol Deng (which he isn't), wouldn't his contract still be considered shitty since Deng's was?

I don't see it happening. Dumb rumors, lame attempt at sabotage. Now it isn't like Leonard can't get better, but getting that good in one year isn't likely. I see your point, but I don't think any team would pay that.

[dabom]

Just 5 pages :lol

I'm pretty sure their are different threads too. :lol

[dabom]

Waaaaaaaaaay too much...

Kawhi 16M
Splitter 10M
Parker 12M
Diaw 5M
Mills 5M
Green 5M

No star wants to come to SA and play for chump change :lol Trade Splitter, and it's perfect

[Chinook]

:lol

They didn't give him max extension. And don't before you say anything, there are dozens of posts in this thread talking about the difference between an extension (which they didn't give) and a new contract (which I wanted them to do instead and which they did).

[dabom]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kawhi get the full five-year max extension. But I'd be disappointed, since the Spurs would absolutely be bidding against themselves by doing so. I hate max extensions for rookie deals. Absolutely hate them. They make no sense.

:lol

[Chinook]

:lol

Stop sucking dick, dude, and read the thread. It would have been stupid as hell to give him a max extension, which is why they chose not to.

[dabom]

Stop sucking dick, dude, and read the thread. It would have been stupid as hell to give him a max extension, which is why they chose not to.

Did you just read yourself faggot. :lmao

full five-year max extension. But I'd be disappointed, since the Spurs would absolutely be bidding against themselves by doing so

[Chinook]

Did you just read yourself faggot. :lmao

full five-year max extension. But I'd be disappointed, since the Spurs would absolutely be bidding against themselves by doing so

Yep, and they did not do it. It's like you keep hitting your head against a wall and laughing when someone points it out.

[dabom]

Bidding against themselves means you think PATFO were shelling out too much money faggot, whether they offered the max or max extension. Read what you put. :lmao :lmao

[Chinook]

Bidding against themselves means you think PATFO were shelling out too much money faggot, whether they offered the max or max extension. Read what you put. :lmao :lmao

Yeah, did you read these?


Yeah. So there's no reason to even ask about an extension. Leonard has to know he's getting the max next season.


Kawhi needs to go ahead and get his money. At this stage, his contract isn't big enough for him to need to or want to give part of it up. Early Duncan wad grabbing every cent he could get.

So long as the Spurs wait until next summer to max out Leonard, they'll be fine financially.


Yes, but if they're prepared to give Leonard the five-year max, they have nothing to fear.

Now go find another zipper to scratch.

[dabom]

Yeah, did you read these?







Now go find another zipper to scratch.


You're right. I stopped at 5 pages...

[tonight...you]

Ha ha ha!

[Chinook]

You're right. I stopped at 5 pages...

:toast

Plenty of threads of me underestimating or downplaying Kawhi for you to choose from. This just happened not to be one.

[dabom]

:toast

Plenty of threads of me underestimating or downplaying Kawhi for you to choose from. This just happened not to be one.

:lol

[DAF86]

My initial guess was 4 years/40 million, so 5 years/50 million would be fine. 5 years/80 million sounds like way too much. It'll probably be somewhere in between those two figures.

:lmao

[DAF86]

Spurs must see a lot of offensive potential to be throwing around that kind of money. I can't recall the last time a 22yr old got offered that much cash for his defense alone.

Of course I think Kawhi could be a 22-25ppg scorer at his prime, so I see no issue here.

:tu

[spurraider21]

:lol
chinook was right. kawhi didnt sign a 5 year extension.

he signed a max contract when he was a RFA. that helped the spurs maneuver around the cap and bring in a second max (LMA). if kawhi had signed a max extension the year before, the spurs would have had zero cap flexibility and wouldn't be able to adjust their plans if he suffered a career altering injury during that last season of his rookie deal

chinook was against the idea of a max extension, not a max contract

[Chinook]

chinook was right. kawhi didnt sign a 5 year extension.

he signed a max contract when he was a RFA. that helped the spurs maneuver around the cap and bring in a second max (LMA). if kawhi had signed a max extension the year before, the spurs would have had zero cap flexibility and wouldn't be able to adjust their plans if he suffered a career altering injury during that last season of his rookie deal

chinook was against the idea of a max extension, not a max contract

Yeah, I hate max extensions for that reasons. At best they're neutral, though if the player has a fragile ego like Jimmy Butler, maybe they made sense. To be fair to dabom, while I thought the Spurs should have been willing to match a max offer, I was not expecting him to play at a max level going into 2014-2015. I though Simmons' prediction was close to Kawhi's true value, and that was blown out the window after Hayward got his max offer from Charlotte. Utah's really regretting not doing with Gordon what SA did with Kawhi.

[bic50]

At this point in time his offense is just not worthy of the kind of money we are talking about here. If this means the Spurs lose him well then I guess the Spurs lose him.. Do people really think this is a guy you can build around to win more championships with? Right now he is a really good complementary player and that's it.
Smh

[bic50]

TheyCallMePro looks like a jackass right now. :lol

[DPG21920]

They didn't give him max extension. And don't before you say anything, there are dozens of posts in this thread talking about the difference between an extension (which they didn't give) and a new contract (which I wanted them to do instead and which they did).

I called it first tho ����

[140]

Why am I not surprised to see porker fluffers with some of the worst takes ITT? :lol

[RD2191]

& he's also the 4th option on a championship team, it's a whole different story when he's the 1st or 2nd and expected to consistently deliver offense. What he produced in the finals was definitely not his normal. They were the best games of his life.


He was the best player in the finals(but you could argue others were) He wasn't the best player on the team throughout the year or even throughout the playoffs.


He is not superstar for sakes - would not give him max or anything close to it.


Sorry, but this is way too much money. Kawhi has never been the first, second, or even third option on this team. He won Finals MVP, but Ginobili and Diaw had better a PER than him in the Finals. Furthermore, he's just not a superstar. He simply lacks the elite athleticism and ability to dominate the stat sheet night in and night out. Seriously, this is franchise player money. And Kawhi is NOT the franchise. The Big 3 and Pop are.

I like Kawhi, but in the end, he's just a quality role player on a GREAT team. 8-10 million a year would have been perfectly reasonable. 16.5 million a year is not. That kind of money is for the FIRST option Superstar. And anyone calling Kawhi a SUPERstar is just being foolish. I almost want to agree with Durant now. This is getting out of hand. Kawhi has been great for us, but ultimately he's just another glorious piece in the Spurs system. You put Kawhi on the Milwaukee Bucks and things are way different.


I like Kahwi, but IMHO he still needs another year to prove himself worthy of $16mil a year.... hopefully this is just a rumor.... if not, hopefully Kahwi proves himself worthy for that type of money.


Seriously, Kawhi is still extremely shy on the offensive end. He still passes up too many shots and hesitates too much. The Spurs system relieves him of a lot of the offensive burden. Pop even said he never called a single play on offense for Kawhi this year. I believe it. He's not even close to our first option. We'd run a play first for Danny Green at the end of a game instead of Kawhi--and that's no joke.

5 years/80 million is superstar money. Kawhi is not even close to a superstar. Kawhi should get something like 4 years/48 million. Anything more is ridiculous. And the Spurs need to wait until NEXT summer to extend him, so that the open market can properly determine his value before the Spurs do something stupid and give him something like 5 years/80 million.... I guarantee you no team will pay him that kind of money after being in the Spurs system for the last 4 years. That will in turn make it much easier and more cost-effective for us to sign him, and he can sign a reasonable contract fitting of his status as a very quality role player on a great team.


If this motherfucker wants the Spurs to win he better not demand the max.


Kawhi is great, but he does not deserve to be the highest paid player on a championship team full of accomplished veterans.

A salary of 12M/yr is fair for all parties involved. And his salary would be slightly less than that of Tony Parker's.


He was only on a championship team because a shit load of people took less than their market value.


Well, the last 3 games is the most expensive showcase in the history of the NBA.

I like him, but he aint worth that much. He was a good roleplayer before the 3 games, but you ignore those 3 games (which granted are huge huge) he isnt 80 million player

:lmao

[RD2191]

& he's also the 4th option on a championship team, it's a whole different story when he's the 1st or 2nd and expected to consistently deliver offense. What he produced in the finals was definitely not his normal. They were the best games of his life.


He was the best player in the finals(but you could argue others were) He wasn't the best player on the team throughout the year or even throughout the playoffs.


He is not superstar for sakes - would not give him max or anything close to it.


Sorry, but this is way too much money. Kawhi has never been the first, second, or even third option on this team. He won Finals MVP, but Ginobili and Diaw had better a PER than him in the Finals. Furthermore, he's just not a superstar. He simply lacks the elite athleticism and ability to dominate the stat sheet night in and night out. Seriously, this is franchise player money. And Kawhi is NOT the franchise. The Big 3 and Pop are.

I like Kawhi, but in the end, he's just a quality role player on a GREAT team. 8-10 million a year would have been perfectly reasonable. 16.5 million a year is not. That kind of money is for the FIRST option Superstar. And anyone calling Kawhi a SUPERstar is just being foolish. I almost want to agree with Durant now. This is getting out of hand. Kawhi has been great for us, but ultimately he's just another glorious piece in the Spurs system. You put Kawhi on the Milwaukee Bucks and things are way different.


I like Kahwi, but IMHO he still needs another year to prove himself worthy of $16mil a year.... hopefully this is just a rumor.... if not, hopefully Kahwi proves himself worthy for that type of money.


Seriously, Kawhi is still extremely shy on the offensive end. He still passes up too many shots and hesitates too much. The Spurs system relieves him of a lot of the offensive burden. Pop even said he never called a single play on offense for Kawhi this year. I believe it. He's not even close to our first option. We'd run a play first for Danny Green at the end of a game instead of Kawhi--and that's no joke.

5 years/80 million is superstar money. Kawhi is not even close to a superstar. Kawhi should get something like 4 years/48 million. Anything more is ridiculous. And the Spurs need to wait until NEXT summer to extend him, so that the open market can properly determine his value before the Spurs do something stupid and give him something like 5 years/80 million.... I guarantee you no team will pay him that kind of money after being in the Spurs system for the last 4 years. That will in turn make it much easier and more cost-effective for us to sign him, and he can sign a reasonable contract fitting of his status as a very quality role player on a great team.


If this motherfucker wants the Spurs to win he better not demand the max.


Kawhi is great, but he does not deserve to be the highest paid player on a championship team full of accomplished veterans.

A salary of 12M/yr is fair for all parties involved. And his salary would be slightly less than that of Tony Parker's.


He was only on a championship team because a shit load of people took less than their market value.


Well, the last 3 games is the most expensive showcase in the history of the NBA.

I like him, but he aint worth that much. He was a good roleplayer before the 3 games, but you ignore those 3 games (which granted are huge huge) he isnt 80 million player

Permaban imo

[Leetonidas]

People always talking on here about how Manu's contract was warranted because of his past accomplishments tbh don't see how this shouldn't apply to Leonard, nigga just won a FMVP at 22 years old, give him the fucking max he deserves every penny for this title alone imho

Smart motherfucker tbh

[Nathan89]

:lmao

Those quotes of mine aren't similar in anyway to the quotes you grouped them with.

I always want players to take less on the Spurs because I know the organization is cheap. Tim Duncan did take a paycut which made it able to put together that championship team.

[phxspurfan]

lol sooooo much fail in this thread. Gr8 offseason bump IMO TBH FWIW fgts

[TimDunkem]

Permaban imo
You could see the guy's potential even back then. So much fucking fail in this thread. :lmao

[TimDunkem]

:lol
Tbh, Chinook is one of the worst talent evaluators on this site next to Mr.Fat Body. They're almost always wrong. :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Why am I not surprised to see porker fluffers with some of the worst takes ITT? :lol

You can generally tell who the Spurs' franchise players are from how much Porker fluffers hate them. Jealousy is a bitch, tbh.

[james evans]

there are a lot of fucking dumbasses on this board

[dbreiden83080]

Smh

Oh yes always fun to bump three-year-old threads.

[purist]

there are a lot of fucking dumbasses on this board

this

[gambit1990]

i'm still having trouble trying to figure out what his ceiling is.
:toast

[polandprzem]

Oh yes always fun to bump three-year-old threads.

+1

First year Leo became superstar. Still would not give him max back then

[bic50]

Oh yes always fun to bump three-year-old threads.
Yes it is actually :lol

[bic50]

+1

First year Leo became superstar. Still would not give him max back then
Then maybe you lose him to another team.

[jimbo]

:lol no one bats 1.000

[spurraider21]

Tbh, Chinook is one of the worst talent evaluators on this site next to Mr.Fat Body. They're almost always wrong. :lmao
what? chinook was in favor of kawhi getting a max contract

[Chinook]

what? chinook was in favor of kawhi getting a max contract

TD is riding off the bad feelings of Spurs fans and thinking it makes him popular. TGY redux.

[polandprzem]

Then maybe you lose him to another team.

Obviously I did not