West says Pop is the best coach he's ever seen,,,

[HemisfairArena]

Everyone knows I am a Spurs fan but not a Pop fan. Have I been wrong all this time? I actually thought Phil Jackson is the best coach of All Time in NBA history but Jerry West knows basketball more than just about anyone and he doesn't pick Riley or Jackson(two Laker icons). Spurs with the best coach of All Time,,,best Power Forward of All Time,,, Wow,,,,,

http://tracking.si.com/2014/06/18/jerry-west-gregg-popovich-best-coach-ever-spurs-nba/

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& he was brilliant in defeat last June. Instead of pitching a fit he took the long view and buttered them up secure in the knowledge that he'd beaten them, and soundly. He'd lost but really won. They'd won but really lost. He could just as easily lamented his plight and recounted the litany of outrageous fortune, thus making it (personal) as Indiana has done for years thus inciting an otherwise sated back-to-back Champion. To what end? None, that's what end. Just would have made his job and the return trip much more perilous. He knew, without a shadow of a doubt he knew he was better and lots better.

That took maturity, confidence and restraint. Can you imagine me? Ha!!!

[HemisfairArena]

& he was brilliant in defeat last June. Instead of pitching a fit he took the long view and buttered them up secure in the knowledge that he'd beaten them, and soundly. He'd lost but really won. They'd won but really lost. He could just as easily lamented his plight and recounted the litany of outrageous fortune, thus making it (personal) as Indiana has done for years thus inciting an otherwise sated back-to-back Champion. To what end? None, that's what end. Just would have made his job and the return trip much more perilous. He knew, without a shadow of a doubt he knew he was better and lots better.

That took maturity, confidence and restraint. Can you imagine me? Ha!!!

Pop did a sacrifice bunt only to hit a grand slam the next year?,,,,is he that good that he fooled us all.

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Pop did a sacrifice bunt only to hit a grand slam the next year?,,,,is he that good that he fooled us all.

Sure, absolutely. What good would it have done to take a fit there? It helps sure that was his fault without a doubt. No outside influence caused you to drop that ring. While just as wasteful it is a blessing because he recognized right off that he'd lost, but, really won. That his own decisions caused his own failure. That's power. Would he have been able to walk over there, hump their legs 10 years ago in a like calamitous situation? Probably not, but, with age comes wisdom and the aforementioned restraint. He just let it go. So when he came for them this time they were fat, content and sleepy eyed and he slaughtered 'em. And it wasn't personal, just business. "personal" costs $. "business" accrues money.

[ambchang]

Jackson's coaching is vastly overrated. He was a great massager of egos, he was a hired gun. He fits players into a rigid system and made limited changes and won based on superstars bailing him out when his system didn't work. Jordan went away from the triangle often, Shaq can score whenever he wanted in or outside of the triangle, and MVPau, odom and Bynum just gets rebounds and can score downlow better than any front court.

Daly (ushered in the defensive era), Auerbach (using best players based on merit but not colour), Pop (put in a good blend of defense and ball movement) and Larry brown (introduced system based on the strengths of his players) were all superior coaches to Phil because they introduced something that had a lasting impact to the league. No other coach can use anything from KFC because they didn't have Jordan, Shaq or the most dominant frontline in the league.

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Jackson's coaching is vastly overrated. He was a great massager of egos,

He failed even in this aspect. Identifying the rift twixt Kobe & Daddy, lamenting it periodically, wringing his hands and rummaging thru his own philosophy stocked library for help did not heal the rift. Just because Media let him walk away from their vicious divorce does not settle the issue. He didn't answer for it, but, "we" did.

[ezau]

& he was brilliant in defeat last June. Instead of pitching a fit he took the long view and buttered them up secure in the knowledge that he'd beaten them, and soundly. He'd lost but really won. They'd won but really lost. He could just as easily lamented his plight and recounted the litany of outrageous fortune, thus making it (personal) as Indiana has done for years thus inciting an otherwise sated back-to-back Champion. To what end? None, that's what end. Just would have made his job and the return trip much more perilous. He knew, without a shadow of a doubt he knew he was better and lots better.

That took maturity, confidence and restraint. Can you imagine me? Ha!!!

Kobe failed. He had Duncan against the ropes after 2010 leading 5-4. What did he do? He let Duncan surpass him last June 14, 2014. Therefore, Duncan>Kobe. Let us proceed.

[Clipper Nation]

He failed even in this aspect. Identifying the rift twixt Kobe & Daddy, lamenting it periodically, wringing his hands and rummaging thru his own philosophy stocked library for help did not heal the rift. Just because Media let him walk away from their vicious divorce does not settle the issue. He didn't answer for it, but, "we" did.

Phil had the answer. He was ready to trade Kirby's shot-chucking ass to Phoenix for jacks & timbers, but, the organization and fanbase were too busy riding Kirby's cock.

Your regrets are your own.

[Kidd K]

Referring to West's comments (since yes, OP you were wrong, no point in discussing your wrongness), he's accurate. Pop does more with less, therefore he's better than his actual title count.

We you play in a huge city with practically infinite salary options that draws free agents to it, you do not have to be a great coach to win. Spoelstra won two titles and he's mediocre as hell. You can tell he lacks composure and isn't that great at motivating his players

[ambchang]

He failed even in this aspect. Identifying the rift twixt Kobe & Daddy, lamenting it periodically, wringing his hands and rummaging thru his own philosophy stocked library for help did not heal the rift. Just because Media let him walk away from their vicious divorce does not settle the issue. He didn't answer for it, but, "we" did.

Just because Kobe and Shaq were so ridiculously immature that no person on earth can ever reconcile them during the tail end of the repeat doesn't mean that Jackson failed as an ego massager. He managed to win 3 titles with that group, and make another finals despite the poisonous environment. That relationship would have been over with most other coaches.

He certainly had some questionable moves during that time, doesn't mean he wasn't the best at it.

[lefty]

Jackson's coaching is vastly overrated. He was a great massager of egos, he was a hired gun. He fits players into a rigid system and made limited changes and won based on superstars bailing him out when his system didn't work. Jordan went away from the triangle often, Shaq can score whenever he wanted in or outside of the triangle, and MVPau, odom and Bynum just gets rebounds and can score downlow better than any front court.

Daly (ushered in the defensive era), Auerbach (using best players based on merit but not colour), Pop (put in a good blend of defense and ball movement) and Larry brown (introduced system based on the strengths of his players) were all superior coaches to Phil because they introduced something that had a lasting impact to the league. No other coach can use anything from KFC because they didn't have Jordan, Shaq or the most dominant frontline in the league.
Jackson wouldnt have benched Duncan at the end of game 6

[ambchang]

Jackson wouldnt have benched Duncan at the end of game 6

That was a horrible move in retrospect, but there was a logic behind the move. I am not trying to defend it, but simply to state that pointing out one (or a small number of) bad decision throughout a multi-decade coaching career does not make much sense.

Phil most definitely sowed some of the hate between Kobe and Shaq, and overall, that is a MUCH bigger sin than a couple of botched plays, even in the finals. Him refusing to patch the relation between Kukoc and Pippen led to the famous Pippen benching (luckily worked out for the Bulls). Getting outcoached by Doc Rivers in 08, then putting all the blame on MVPau was another.

Every coach made wrong decisions at one point or another, expecting them to be perfect is unreasonable.

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Just because Kobe and Shaq were so ridiculously immature that no person on earth can ever reconcile them during the tail end of the repeat doesn't mean that Jackson failed as an ego massager.

But it was Jackson who had the con, he was person "on earth" at that time and it is his failure. Let him take it, amb. He dishes it.

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Jackson wouldnt have benched Duncan at the end of game 6

southpaw

[Clipper Nation]

But it was Jackson who had the con, he was person "on earth" at that time and it is his failure. Let him take it, amb. He dishes it.
Though Jackson was going to rectify it. He was going to trade Kirby to Phoenix for Kidd and Marion.

Imagine how many trophies had to be pulled out of the case when that trade got shot down.... Christ almighty!

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Though Jackson was going to rectify it. He was going to trade Kirby to Phoenix for Kidd and Marion.

Imagine how many trophies had to be pulled out of the case when that trade got shot down.... Christ almighty!

But, the bottom line is this:::Phil did not solve it. He failed. Let him take it. He dished it.

[Clipper Nation]

But, the bottom line is this:::Phil did not solve it. He failed. Let him take it. He dished it.
Nuh uh. It was Jerry's failing. He should have let Jackson lodge the trade, and watched as Kidd and Marion fortified Daddy.

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Nuh uh. It was Jerry's failing. He should have let Jackson lodge the trade, and watched as Kidd and Marion fortified Daddy.

Make up your mind. tee, hee.

[Thebesteva]

Jerry West hates Phil Jackson like the KKK hates blacks

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Jerry West hates Phil Jackson like the KKK hates blacks

Tell the story, Eva....once upon a time...

[Thebesteva]

Tell the story, Eva....once upon a time...

When Pop can get a god damn repeat he can be considered greater than Phil. In case you were wondering, Phil had 3 three peats in his career and a repeat. Also, it cracks me up when Spurs fans say but but Phil had MJ, Kobe, Shaq and all Pop had was Tim duncan, parker, ginobli, and Robinson...then on the other end they go on to say Tim Duncan is the greatest player since MJ and easily greater than Shaq and Kobe combined. So which one is it Spurs fans? :lol

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When Pop can get a god damn repeat he can be considered greater than Phil. In case you were wondering, Phil had 3 three peats in his career and a repeat. Also, it cracks me up when Spurs fans say but but Phil had MJ, Kobe, Shaq and all Pop had was Tim duncan, parker, ginobli, and Robinson...then on the other end they go on to say Tim Duncan is the greatest player since MJ and easily greater than Shaq and Kobe combined. So which one is it Spurs fans? :lol

I was hoping you were going to tell the story about how West detests Phil.

[Thebesteva]

I was hoping you were going to tell the story about how West detests Phil.

Well u know its very well known that West hates Phil. Many say Phil ran West out of LA, and West even had the audacity at the end of this previous season to say D'antoni over Phil was the right choice. :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

When Pop can get a god damn repeat he can be considered greater than Phil. In case you were wondering, Phil had 3 three peats in his career and a repeat. Also, it cracks me up when Spurs fans say but but Phil had MJ, Kobe, Shaq and all Pop had was Tim duncan, parker, ginobli, and Robinson...then on the other end they go on to say Tim Duncan is the greatest player since MJ and easily greater than Shaq and Kobe combined. So which one is it Spurs fans? :lol

The Lakers stopped them on their strongest years and manu fucked them in one. Who stops them from repeating next year?

[ambchang]

But it was Jackson who had the con, he was person "on earth" at that time and it is his failure. Let him take it, amb. He dishes it.

No question he dished it, and it was his way of getting immediate returns. It worked for him in the short term, and it was great that he squeezed three titles out of it. He never ultimately solved the problem, which was his short-coming as a coach.

[ambchang]

When Pop can get a god damn repeat he can be considered greater than Phil. In case you were wondering, Phil had 3 three peats in his career and a repeat. Also, it cracks me up when Spurs fans say but but Phil had MJ, Kobe, Shaq and all Pop had was Tim duncan, parker, ginobli, and Robinson...then on the other end they go on to say Tim Duncan is the greatest player since MJ and easily greater than Shaq and Kobe combined. So which one is it Spurs fans? :lol

Repeats and threepeats are mostly the result of a superior roster, and is mostly associated with huge over-spending and curiously only done by big market teams (with the exception of Detroit). It was also a good turn of fortunes by avoiding costly injuries at the wrong times, which has absolutely nothing to do with coaching most of the time.

As for Duncan, he wasn't greater than Duncan and Kobe combined, he was only greater than both of them. With a h2h of 3-2 against these two, Duncan makes a case.

And :lol lumping Parker and Ginobili in the conversation with Jordan, Pippen and Shaq. I can see Kobe being part of that conversation though.

[DMC]

The Lakers stopped them on their strongest years and manu fucked them in one. Who stops them from repeating next year?

The injury bug.

[IrisHockey]

Wasn't there a feud between Mr.Choke and Phil?

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Well u know its very well known that West hates Phil. Many say Phil ran West out of LA, and West even had the audacity at the end of this previous season to say D'antoni over Phil was the right choice. :lol

Sure, we "know" it, but, I'd like to actually know it. I thought perhaps you had the goods.

No offense meant.

[Thebesteva]

Sure, we "know" it, but, I'd like to actually know it. I thought perhaps you had the goods.

No offense meant.

I dont know if im missing an official story, I just heard Phil wanted Jerry out.

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No question he dished it, and it was his way of getting immediate returns. It worked for him in the short term, and it was great that he squeezed three titles out of it. >>>>>>He never ultimately solved the problem, which was his short-coming as a coach.<<<<<<

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[DMC]

Sure, we "know" it, but, I'd like to actually know it. I thought perhaps you had the goods.

No offense meant.
You mean like the Diaw affair you kept harping about last week? I still haven't seen a single source on that, nary an article.

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You mean like the Diaw affair you kept harping about last week? I still haven't seen a single source on that, nary an article.

You mean the one where people were advocating him for Finals MVP? I heard it time & again from the local feeds here to national Cowherd. Why would I lie about that?

[Ghazi]

Whats impressive about Pop is he has adapted.

[Malik Hairston]

^^yep, it's easily the most impressive aspect of his career..

Pop was always a great coach by NBA standards for most of his career, but he wasn't anything special until he had to adapt, tbh..the Spurs had a well-built system around Duncan(and Robinson for a bit) until 2005, where they began to implement more offense for Ginobili and Parker, but it wasn't anything innovative or unique..it actually took moves from D'Antoni and Don Nelson for Pop to counter-adjust and think outside the box IMO..

The Spurs from 2008 until 2010 ran the same, failed style of play that didn't work due to aging and lesser talent..Pop still used aging, unathletic role players to surround the big 3, which obviously didn't work..

Pop adapted his coaching style to a unique and innovative approach that grew from 2011 until the present..he completely changed the style of the Spurs, along with implementing techniques from the International game..it's a credit to Duncan, too, who adapted his game, as well..

Phil Jackson's coaching style is extremely antiquated and wouldn't work in today's league, tbh..neither would Pop's old style, but he adapted and grew, which is rare among stubborn, NBA coaches that rarely grow and adapt..

[spurraider21]

but he adapted and grew, which is rare among stubborn, NBA coaches that rarely grow and adapt..
redundancy is redundant :lol... but all in all i agree with that post. pop's "system" in 2003 was the least imaginative i had ever seen, at least offensively

[ambchang]

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

? What was the trend?

[DMC]

You mean the one where people were advocating him for Finals MVP? I heard it time & again from the local feeds here to national Cowherd. Why would I lie about that?

No, the one where you said he was acquired under suspicious circumstances.

[DMC]

^^yep, it's easily the most impressive aspect of his career..

Pop was always a great coach by NBA standards for most of his career, but he wasn't anything special until he had to adapt, tbh..the Spurs had a well-built system around Duncan(and Robinson for a bit) until 2005, where they began to implement more offense for Ginobili and Parker, but it wasn't anything innovative or unique..it actually took moves from D'Antoni and Don Nelson for Pop to counter-adjust and think outside the box IMO..

The Spurs from 2008 until 2010 ran the same, failed style of play that didn't work due to aging and lesser talent..Pop still used aging, unathletic role players to surround the big 3, which obviously didn't work..

Pop adapted his coaching style to a unique and innovative approach that grew from 2011 until the present..he completely changed the style of the Spurs, along with implementing techniques from the International game..it's a credit to Duncan, too, who adapted his game, as well..

Phil Jackson's coaching style is extremely antiquated and wouldn't work in today's league, tbh..neither would Pop's old style, but he adapted and grew, which is rare among stubborn, NBA coaches that rarely grow and adapt..

What took Pop so long to adjust is that he was getting good regular season results that most other teams would love to get. It took Memphis, Phoenix and OKC to convince Pop that he had to move the ball and not take everything through Tony, Tim and Manu. He didn't need the SSOL per se, but he did need to be able to score when it was available in that same time frame, before the defense gets established. Tim's regressing role allowed other players to step up.

It's probably one of the rarest things in all of sports, that an aging core can be successful time and again by retooling the role guys. I think the Spurs were able to bridge those gaps by having regular season success, where coaches weren't fired and players weren't put on the block wholesale. Quite amazing actually.

Truth be told though, I'm pretty sure no one saw Kawhi coming, not even Pop. Defense, sure, but never thought he'd break out like that in the biggest series of his young life.