Houston is finalizing a deal to send Omer Asik to New Orleans (WOJ)

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Houston is finalizing a deal to send Omer Asik to New Orleans, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Anthony Davis to Houston

[Baam]

Howard Anderson, the Magic frontcourt

[IrisHockey]

Ryan Anderson to return, I'm willing to bet.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)New Orleans will send a future first-round pick to Houston for Asik, league source tells Yahoo Sports. Deal will give Rockets cap space.

[IrisHockey]

what? :lol the Rockets actually think they're getting James or Melo?

[baseline bum]

I like Asik, but in New Orleans where they already have an A+ interior defender?

[Robz4000]

Damn, Hornets are gonna be solid next season (health permitting). Wonder what Houston's back up plan is when they strikeout on Melo/Lebron?

[Baam]

what? :lol the Rockets actually think they're getting James or Melo?

Morey is even more of a gambling addict than Jordan tbh...

[Chinook]

Pelicans giving up another first. :lol

Another trade with poor timing for Houston. S&Ts are out now.

[sook]

Morey is even more of a gambling addict than Jordan tbh...

He's a moron is what he is.

[100%duncan]

Bad for both teams tbh. NO doesnt need a defensive center that will clogged up the lane. And they already have AD.

[Spurs9]

I like the NO team they are putting together. Davis is gonna beast this season

[Thread]

Bad for both teams tbh. NO doesnt need a defensive center that will clogged up the lane. And they already have AD.

It's obviously a precursor. Have some fucking patience.

[BatManu20]

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[sook]

Bad for both teams tbh. NO doesnt need a defensive center that will clogged up the lane. And they already have AD.

Actually, this makes NO monstrous defensively. Howard is my guy and all, but I have a hard time seeing him having much of an impact against our division rivals now.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[Thread]

It's obviously a precursor. Have some fucking patience.


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Like I said, though I do not know why they're sniffing Anthony. He's nothing, he's dog shit.

[100%duncan]

It's obviously a precursor. Have some fucking patience.

I don't need to be patient with other teams, Dale.

[100%duncan]

It's obviously a precursor. Have some fucking patience.

I don't need to be patient with other teams, Dale.

[Seventyniner]

If Davis keeps hitting that midrange jumper consistently, he and Asik make a great frontcourt on both sides of the ball. The Pelicans might use Brow/Anderson/Asik like the Spurs use Duncan/Diaw/Splitter (with different minute configurations).

[sook]

Some restructuring needs to take place as well. The SW division is too damn competitive at this point.

SA
HOU
MEM
DAL
NO

Every single one of those teams will make the playoffs.

[Drachen]

I like Asik, but in New Orleans where they already have an A+ interior defender?

Yeah that's crazy, no team should ever put two big men who are fantastic defenders on the same team.

[DPG21920]

Pelicans giving up another first. :lol

Another trade with poor timing for Houston. S&Ts are out now.

Why would they not be able to do a S&T now? Also, how can NO absorb ASIK without sending anything back? I am showing that they have 58M in salaries committed to next year and ASIK makes 8M

[baseline bum]

Yeah that's crazy, no team should ever put two big men who are fantastic defenders on the same team.

Not if they're going to get in each other's ways down low on offense.

[Malik Hairston]

Davis is actually pretty overrated as a man defender, so acquiring Asik does make sense, strictly from a personnel standpoint..

He can make the jump shot pretty far out, so it shouldn't be a huge deal from an offensive standpoint..his game is based more on facing up, too, rather than posting up..

I still hate New Orleans's perimeter players, but they should have enough to make a solid run at the playoffs, if they can miraculously stay healthy..Montyball will be a problem, though, obviously..

[ElNono]

This just gives them depth, which is good...

Asik can be played next to Davis when matching up against two paint bigs, or he can backup Davis with Ryan Anderson playing stretch 4 when playing against teams with a more modern NBA offense...

[StrengthAndHonor]

Rockets clearing that cap space for Melo or Lebron.

[The Batman]

He's a moron is what he is.
Morey would not do this deal unless someone commited to come to Houston.

[Chinook]

Why would they not be able to do a S&T now? Also, how can NO absorb ASIK without sending anything back? I am showing that they have 58M in salaries committed to next year and ASIK makes 8M

They can do it if Morrow opts out and the Pels waive their non-guarantees. Just barely, but they could. But unless they have a huge TE I don't know about, they can't trade for him during the draft.

[DPG21920]

They can do it if Morrow opts out and the Pels waive their non-guarantees. Just barely, but they could. But unless they have a huge TE I don't know about, they can't trade for him during the draft.

Hmmm. That's what I thought. The weird thing is it says it's being finalized and I thought that implied being sent in. I don't know how they can do that unless it just hasn't been reported yet that Morrow opted out and they wavied those guys (which is possible).

[sook]

Morey would not do this deal unless someone commited to come to Houston.

Perhaps, but it still is a big gamble imo. It may also be to show NY that we have the cap space to sign Melo outright, so they do an S&T (which wouldn't make us that much better tbh)

[BatManu20]

I'm feeling like it's going to be Chicago or Houston for Melo.. but which one? Staying in the East would be wiser on his part imo.

[Aztecfan03]

Some restructuring needs to take place as well. The SW division is too damn competitive at this point.

SA
HOU
MEM
DAL
NO

Every single one of those teams will make the playoffs.

Everyone can but one will likely be sitting it out.

[The Batman]

Perhaps, but it still is a big gamble imo. It may also be to show NY that we have the cap space to sign Melo outright, so they do an S&T (which wouldn't make us that much better tbh)
I think if Lin gets moved tonight or at all someone has definitely committed.

Edit: Dammit, Meant tomorrow. Only on 3 hours sleep right now.

[sook]

I think if Lin gets moved tonight or at all someone has definitely committed.

is god really that kind?

[Sean Cagney]

Like I said, though I do not know why they're sniffing Anthony. He's nothing, he's dog shit.

I agree fully.

[Baam]

Hmmm. That's what I thought. The weird thing is it says it's being finalized and I thought that implied being sent in. I don't know how they can do that unless it just hasn't been reported yet that Morrow opted out and they wavied those guys (which is possible).

Morrow opted out a few days ago.

[sook]

Everyone can but one will likely be sitting it out.
Probably due to injury, which says a lot.

[The Batman]

is god really that kind?
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maybe not tonight, but soon hopefully.

[The Batman]

This pick could also be used in a Kevin Love deal.

[DPG21920]

Morrow opted out a few days ago.

Thanks - I had not seen that.

[benefactor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT7STlVX71A

[The Batman]

So the pick is top 10 protected?

[Killakobe81]

Morey is good at acquisition of young talent shitty closer Parsons closed that Dwight deal

[Aztecfan03]

Why would they not be able to do a S&T now? Also, how can NO absorb ASIK without sending anything back? I am showing that they have 58M in salaries committed to next year and ASIK makes 8M

The sites I am looking at say 56, so adding the 8 puts them just under the cap.

[Drachen]

I like Asik, but in New Orleans where they already have an A+ interior defender?

Yeah that's crazy, no team should ever put two big men who are fantastic defenders on the same team.

[SupremeGuy]

Morey would not do this deal unless someone commited to come to Houston.Yeah he would, they've been trying to trade Asik ever since they got Dwert.

[The Batman]

Yeah he would, they've been trying to trade Asik ever since they got Dwert.
He did not have to, he could have waited until the trade deadline but he did it days before free agency even started to clear cap room.

[Thread]

I think if Lin gets moved tonight or at all someone has definitely committed.

& that would be a shame-Lin would be transcended by and with James.

[The Batman]

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holy fuck :wow

[sook]

So the pick is top 10 protected?

ok, so if its 4-20 its ours, which is great I guess.

[SupremeGuy]

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holy fuck :wowInteresting.

[Clipper Nation]

what? :lol the Rockets actually think they're getting James or Melo?
:lol Please sign Fatmelo, Houston....

[IrisHockey]

:lol Please sign Fatmelo, Houston....

The Rockets are the Angels of the NBA.. they ain't winning shit despite piling on all these big namers

[jeebus]

Swamp Dogs next year:

King Paul (when he gets traded back in exchange for Gordon)
Melo
James
Davis
Asik

6th man: Austin "Dat Nigga Mikey" Rivers


JHUTT

[The Batman]

Why would NO not put any kind of protection on that pick?

[Chinook]

Hmmm. That's what I thought. The weird thing is it says it's being finalized and I thought that implied being sent in. I don't know how they can do that unless it just hasn't been reported yet that Morrow opted out and they wavied those guys (which is possible).

Nah. It can't happen yet, regardless. Trades occurring before July 10 still use the 2013-2014 cap.

[HemisfairArena]

Gonna be funny when Asik and Davis dominate Howard next year every time they play the Rockets.

[Clipper Nation]

Swamp Dogs next year:

King Paul (when he gets traded back in exchange for Gordon)
Melo
James
Davis
Asik

6th man: Austin "Dat Nigga Mikey" Rivers


JHUTT
It's Dell Demps, he'll probably trade Davis to get Choke Paul back :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Why would NO not put any kind of protection on that pick?
They did:

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[The Third Man]

ok, so if its 4-20 its ours, which is great I guess.

But, but, but "Morey's a moron."

[The Batman]

They did:

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If the pick is between picks 4-19, it goes to Houston. And Anthony Davis gets injured alot, they could potentially be a top 4 pick for Asik.

[jeebus]

It's Dell Demps, he'll probably trade Davis to get Choke Paul back :lol
You think ol tumor cheeks isn't a smart man? :cry

[Chinook]

This trade reeks of desperation by New Orleans. It's rather unsettling, actually.

[Pelicans78]

I like Asik, but in New Orleans where they already have an A+ interior defender?

The Pelicans had a terrible defense last season and they want a center to bang against the bigger bodies. Asik will help with defense and rebounding for next season while Davis continues to mature physically.

[Pelicans78]

Not if they're going to get in each other's ways down low on offense.

Davis has a strong perimeter game on the offensive end. He can play with Asik on the floor.

[HemisfairArena]

This will be a younger version of Duncan/Robinson. They will play well together,,,as other posters have stated,,,Davis has an outside game and doesn't need to rely solely on scoring in the paint.

[Pelicans78]

If the pick is between picks 4-19, it goes to Houston. And Anthony Davis gets injured alot, they could potentially be a top 4 pick for Asik.

Top 2/3 of the lottery does not mean 4-19. It means 11-19.

[spurraider21]

I like Asik, but in New Orleans where they already have an A+ interior defender?
i think its a great fit. now that houston is pushing for cap space its smart to just take a pick, but i thought last season the asik/anderson trade was way too obvious for both teams. i'm as big an anthony davis on this site (maybe besides Hornet78 and BRhornet) as anybody, and i think he's MUCH better fit at the 4 on both ends of the floor. instead of defending rugged centers he can roam more as a 4 and cause all sorts of havoc with his length

while i like Asik to New Orleans, this is a young team around a young star, i don't like them giving away a first round pick... especially for an expiring contract

[Pelicans78]

This trade reeks of desperation by New Orleans. It's rather unsettling, actually.

The Holiday trade was more desperate. This trade fills a need.

[Pelicans78]

I really like this blue Pelicans78.

[sook]

But, but, but "Morey's a moron."

Good lord you're a fucking idiot, labels such as that aren't built overnight. Not sure why I'm trying to talk sense into a half-wit that would follow him off a clif though.

[sook]

Top 2/3 of the lottery does not mean 4-19. It means 11-19.
Conflicting reports, not sure what the terms are at this point tbh.

Update: ESPN says it will goto the rockets if its 4-19

[DPG21920]

So NO basically renders Ryan Anderson useless and with that being the case, why not trade him last year for ASIK instead of giving up your pick?

Potentially a really bad trade for NO and a very good trade for HOU no matter what IMO. Even with a very limited role with Asik, HOU was a playoff team that still has a high ceiling if they can fine tune things. This helps them do that.

[The Third Man]

Good lord you're a fucking idiot, labels such as that aren't built overnight. Not sure why I'm trying to talk sense into a half-wit that would follow him off a clif though.

Look, you are the one who's vagina hurts at the very mention of Morey's name. You are more obsessed than I am. I follow the Rockets. You seem to follow the voices in your head.

[sook]

The last time we had this discussion, I thoroughly defecated in your mouth. Reminisce upon that the next time you decide to follow me around.

[noob cake]

1-3, 20-30 protected pick for Asik.

Sign me up for this shit any day of the week.

[Chinook]

The Holiday trade was more desperate. This trade fills a need.

Well, yeah. That Holliday trade was horrible. Two lottery picks for an overrated player? But the Pels are pretty much doubling-down on their current roster, which in my opinion, has plenty of flaws outside their bigs. If they can move a wing for some good role-players, they can make some noise. But if they give up three lotto picks in a row, that would be bonkers.

[DPG21920]

Demps appears to be a pretty awful GM. He tried making that awful CP3 deal, made the Jrue deal, kept Gordon and now this. He may be able to right the ship, but he puts himself in terrible positions and appears to be of the mindset that just getting "talent" is all that matters with little emphasis placed on building through the draft.

[Chinook]

Demps appears to be a pretty awful GM. He tried making that awful CP3 deal, made the Jrue deal, kept Gordon and now this. He may be able to right the ship, but he puts himself in terrible positions and appears to be of the mindset that just getting "talent" is all that matters with little emphasis placed on building through the draft.

Exactly my observation. He seems to be very much the black sheep of the Pop-Buford family.

[Pelicans78]

So NO basically renders Ryan Anderson useless and with that being the case, why not trade him last year for ASIK instead of giving up your pick?

Potentially a really bad trade for NO and a very good trade for HOU no matter what IMO. Even with a very limited role with Asik, HOU was a playoff team that still has a high ceiling if they can fine tune things. This helps them do that.

Ryan Anderson is more valuable than the pick and he will get plenty of playing of time. Asik is only getting minutes against teams with bigger centers.

[DPG21920]

Ryan Anderson is more valuable than the pick and he will get plenty of playing of time. Asik is only getting minutes against teams with bigger centers.

So then you traded a possible #4 pick for a guy who is only getting minutes against like 5 teams?

[Pelicans78]

Demps appears to be a pretty awful GM. He tried making that awful CP3 deal, made the Jrue deal, kept Gordon and now this. He may be able to right the ship, but he puts himself in terrible positions and appears to be of the mindset that just getting "talent" is all that matters with little emphasis placed on building through the draft.

I agree with this overall, but I also wonder how much ownership is behind this too. Benson is 85 and maybe the people around him are trying to build a winner as quickly as people.

But honestly, I think this is Demps mostly. He doesn't really seem to be a guy who looks at advanced metrics when evaluating people whether its resigning Gordon, trading for Holiday, signing Tyreke, drafting Rivers. The Anderson signing was very good, but otherwise I'm not impressed.

[Pelicans78]

So then you traded a possible #4 pick for a guy who is only getting minutes against like 5 teams?

It really depends on what the protection is. No one really knows yet and I also think the Pelicans have to move someone to get Asik.

When I meant bigger centers, I meant guys like bigger scoring centers who will give Davis trouble due to his developing size. Most games, the Pelicans will get away with having Davis and Anderson finish games, but against teams like Houston and Memphis, Asik will be a big help.

[Raven]

If lebron was smart he would actually sign for the pelicans tbh

[spurraider21]

seems like Pelicans are banking on having a top 10 record in the league to hold onto that pick

[The Batman]

Top 2/3 of the lottery does not mean 4-19. It means 11-19.
1-3 or 20-30: It stays with the Pelicans in 2015.

4-19: It goes to Houston.

[The Batman]

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[Chinook]

Again, it's a poor move by the Rockets if the trade is official. Trading for Melo/Love/James/Bosh using contracts is a far better outcome for Houston than acquiring them by using cap space.

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If lebron was smart he would actually sign for the >>>>>>pelicans<<<<<< tbh

Though even their name gets stuck in one's throat & then even further down in the craw.

[baseline bum]

I think it's funny they trade Noel and everyone says it's a good move since he couldn't play next to Davis, but now Asik is a great fit when he has every current shortcoming of Noel without any of the upside?

[The Batman]

Again, it's a poor move by the Rockets if the trade is official. Trading for Melo/Love/James/Bosh using contracts is a far better outcome for Houston than acquiring them by using cap space.
Not true.

[The Batman]

You generally need picks to go along with contracts.

[Captivus]

is god really that kind?

Dont be like that...the current HOU team is not the best place for him. He didnt get any support.



Yeah that's crazy, no team should ever put two big men who are fantastic defenders on the same team.

Sounds familiar...I really like the Asik-Davis duo. Davis can be very consistent with mid range jumpers ala TD.
But dont get to comfortable Davis...you know you are coming to the Spurs next season!!!


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holy fuck :wow

Sound fair...

[Chinook]

You generally need picks to go along with contracts.

What does that have to do with anything?

[The Batman]

What does that have to do with anything?
If you do a sign n trade for Carmelo, you have to give up some core players AND picks because that other team is likely rebuilding. And on the other side, the team trading with Houston would want to send bad contracts back along with Carmelo or whoever, and that screws flexibility. As long as you have picks, you can clear cap space.

[The Batman]

Yes it would be better to have the MLE and BLE, but this is not a bad trade at all.

[Chinook]

If the Rockets can agree to a sign-and-trade with New York for Melo, they'd be able to trade "just" Lin and Asik and give Anthony a max contract. They'd need to give a few sweeteners, but they'll have to do that anyway in order to move Lin. Trading gives the Rockets the full use of the MLE, and it would allow them to keep Beverly and Parsons without worrying about cap holds. However, I don't think maxing out three players would be sustainable in the long run, especially if Parsons makes good money and the team uses the MLE to add the necessary pieces.

[Chinook]

Yes it would be better to have the MLE and BLE, but this is not a bad trade at all.

It's not just the MLE. It would also be whatever players New York wouldn't want in a S&T. It's not having to dump 25 for cap space. It's not having to worry about timing Parsons' new contract.

[The Batman]

If the Rockets can agree to a sign-and-trade with New York for Melo, they'd be able to trade "just" Lin and Asik and give Anthony a max contract. They'd need to give a few sweeteners, but they'll have to do that anyway in order to move Lin. Trading gives the Rockets the full use of the MLE, and it would allow them to keep Beverly and Parsons without worrying about cap holds. However, I don't think maxing out three players would be sustainable in the long run, especially if Parsons makes good money and the team uses the MLE to add the necessary pieces.

Idk about that. Morey can find cheap talent that can be used to fill out the roster, like he did with Brooks, Landry, Lowry, Beverley, Parsons (when he was in his first couple years), Troy Daniels, Jones. And in that trade scenario, they would have to take someone else like JR Smith back from NY.

[Chinook]

Idk about that. Morey can find cheap talent that can be used to fill out the roster, like he did with Brooks, Landry, Lowry, Beverley, Parsons (when he was in his first couple years), Troy Daniels, Jones. And in that trade scenario, they would have to take someone else like JR Smith back from NY.

Yeah, but Houston's Big Four would be making $75 Million ish combined in a few years. Add in a competent MLE PG, and the Rockets will be pushing the tax just from their starting five. It would be a struggle to fill in the roster with good enough role-players to win a title.

[The Batman]

Yeah, but Houston's Big Four would be making $75 Million ish combined in a few years. Add in a competent MLE PG, and the Rockets will be pushing the tax just from their starting five. It would be a struggle to fill in the roster with good enough role-players to win a title.
You also have the possibility of, if someone signs, taking a slight paycut. I'm sure Melo and LeBron both would but we will see. I don't think Parsons will be there long term anyway. Someone will offer him a crazy contract.

[Dverde]

Gonna be funny when Asik and Davis dominate Howard next year every time they play the Rockets.

This has to be the dumbest FO, I thought the Bucks FO had this locked up. Overpaid Anderson. Max out broken Gordon. Overpaid Tyreke Evans. Trade a possible lottery pick for a salary cap dump Asik. They still haven't fired Monty Williams with his .333 win percentage.

[tlongII]

Good deal for the Pelicans. Asik and Davis are going to be tough for anyone.

[baseline bum]

Good deal for the Pelicans. Asik and Davis are going to be tough for anyone.

They probably could have gotten it done for a second rounder though.

[Mori Chu]

I don't like the trade for NO at all. Pelicans still have a shitty roster. Their guards/wings are horrible; none of them can shoot. Teams will just pack the paint on them and the Pelicans will be unable to score. I don't really like pairing Asik with Davis; I think AD would work better with a stretch 4, not another paint defender who is offensively challenged. And the Pelicans lose their 1st rounder, which WILL be a lottery pick (book it). Houston makes out like a bandit on this one.

[Double-Up]

I don't like the trade for NO at all. Pelicans still have a shitty roster. Their guards/wings are horrible; none of them can shoot. Teams will just pack the paint on them and the Pelicans will be unable to score. I don't really like pairing Asik with Davis; I think AD would work better with a stretch 4, not another paint defender who is offensively challenged. And the Pelicans lose their 1st rounder, which WILL be a lottery pick (book it). Houston makes out like a bandit on this one.

Finally a poster with common sense...seems to be a difficult find on this board.

[Darth_Pelican]

I agree with this overall, but I also wonder how much ownership is behind this too. Benson is 85 and maybe the people around him are trying to build a winner as quickly as people.

But honestly, I think this is Demps mostly. He doesn't really seem to be a guy who looks at advanced metrics when evaluating people whether its resigning Gordon, trading for Holiday, signing Tyreke, drafting Rivers. The Anderson signing was very good, but otherwise I'm not impressed.

I think Demps & Monty are feeling the pressure to win now because I think that otherwise, the end is near for both of them.

[Pelicans78]

I think it's funny they trade Noel and everyone says it's a good move since he couldn't play next to Davis, but now Asik is a great fit when he has every current shortcoming of Noel without any of the upside?

Pelicans drafted Noel because Philly wanted him. Had nothing to do with playing next to AD because they wanted Holiday. Plus will Noel ever be healthy?

[Pelicans78]

Anderson will get more minutes than Asik during most games. Asik will mostly play against big interior scorers.

[Pelicans78]

But I hate the protection. If that's the case then this trade isn't worth it.

[spurraider21]

I think it's funny they trade Noel and everyone says it's a good move since he couldn't play next to Davis, but now Asik is a great fit when he has every current shortcoming of Noel without any of the upside?
im a big anthony davis fan, so i became a quasi-hornets fan, just so i can root for a bottomfeeder too :lol... i thought the noel pick was perfect and was upset when he got dealt. that was such a terrible trade. him and a first for Holiday :lol

[Franklin]

shrewd deal for Hornets imho, they upgraded their paint without losing no significant value. Asick is such a defensive hardcore he's gonna save AD more energy for offense, like Rasho to Duncan back in the 2000s. Yet still I don't fancy their chances to make playoffs next season, as long as Monty Williams is the head coach.

[Bulaien999]

Seems like this pick will be added somewhere to another deal for sure.

[sook]

Actually, this makes NO monstrous defensively. Howard is my guy and all, but I have a hard time seeing him having much of an impact against our division rivals now.

demnn.

[RsxPiimp]

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All that capspace and all you got was Trevor Ariza :lol