Does Drafting Anderson Make any of last year's players more expendable?

[tholdren]

Is bonner gone for sure now?

Are you okay with letting mills walk now that we have a "point/fwd?"

Diaw?

[stnick2261]

Hopefully Bonner was gonna be gone anyways.

This has nothing to do with Mills and we need to keep him.

Hopefully Diaw becomes a starter (with Splitter backing up Duncan) and Anderson becomes Diaw's backup and eventually replace Diaw in a few years

[TheGoldStandard]

Both mills and diaw will be back

[TrueSpursFan]

Little premature, don't you think? Guy hasn't even played a minute in the nba, no one is expendable at this point (except maybe bonner).

[TheGoldStandard]

Little premature, don't you think? Guy hasn't even played a minute in the nba, no one is expendable at this point (except maybe bonner).
Ayres too

[TheGreatYacht]

RC said Kyle isn't a player that would be a project in Europe.. Him and Cojo will probably be in Austin for most of the season. Maybe he'll get a run if Pop decides to rest Manu for awhile

Only Bonner should leave. Mills and Diaw need to stay

[tmtcsc]

Bonner's $$ should be going to Mills and Diaw. I'm not a Bonner hater but his contract is up and lets just say he was paid well for what he delivered.

[ChumpDumper]

The only guy it makes expendable is Daye, who was already expendable. If someone else were as consistent as Bonner from the arc, then he would be expendable. That said, no reason to pay Bonner much more than the minimum.

OP projecting his bitching into unlikely scenarios.

[ducks]

would people want booner for the min over channing frye

[ginobilized]

Anderson might replace Diaw in 2-3 yrs....he seems like a role player for the future who will get little time next year. Smart move if he works hard for a couple years getting over himself and shoring up his massive weaknesses.

[Baam]

Why do people keep bringing up Bonner as expendable when he was way more important than Beli in the POs... He started WCF games when Splitter was covering up in the foetal position ffs...

The one who is expendable for sure is Beli who is clearly a negative impact type of player...

[ChumpDumper]

would people want booner for the min over channing fryeHell, Channing would make four Spurs expendable, including Anderson.

[TheGoldStandard]

RC said Kyle isn't a player that would be a project in Europe.. Him and Cojo will probably be in Austin for most of the season. Maybe he'll get a run if Pop decides to rest Manu for awhile

Only Bonner should leave. Mills and Diaw need to stay

There isn't anything in Europe that he could learn that would improve his game, he is Austin bound this season

[TheGoldStandard]

The only guy it makes expendable is Daye, who was already expendable. If someone else were as consistent as Bonner from the arc, then he would be expendable. That said, no reason to pay Bonner much more than the minimum.

OP projecting his bitching into unlikely scenarios.

Ayres is still expendable given the depth of the team. Thought that Baynes showed enough in the playoffs during his limited minutes to get the nod going forward.

[BacktoBasics]

The only guy it makes expendable is Daye, who was already expendable. If someone else were as consistent as Bonner from the arc, then he would be expendable. That said, no reason to pay Bonner much more than the minimum.

OP projecting his bitching into unlikely scenarios.Bonner is much more expendable in the eyes of this board than he's actual value to the team. Without question he's a vet min. so I agree there and if the Spurs were ever forced to consider anything but the minimum that would be the only discussion worth having. But the idea that a role player with 3 point accuracy who knows Pops system would be worth less than an unproven late 1st rounder is quite the stretch. Rarely do newcomers break the rotation especially over guys who with a proven track record within the system.

Not that I endorse Bonner over Anderson but considering how much value this team places on guys who fill their niche role it makes little sense.

[ChumpDumper]

Ayres is still expendable given the depth of the team. Thought that Baynes showed enough in the playoffs during his limited minutes to get the nod going forward.Main thing that would help Jeff is being ready for passes. Second year is almost always better so we'll see. Pretty much everyone not in the rotation can be replaced fairly easily for what they did with the exception of Bonner -- and Bonner should be very cheap this time around if he stays.

[TheGoldStandard]

We'll see. Main thing that would help Jeff is being ready for passes. Second year is almost always better so we'll see. Pretty much everyone not in the rotation can be replaced fairly easily for what they did with the exception of Bonner -- and Bonner should be very cheap this time around if he stays.

I honestly think Bonner is done, takes a job with the front office as a possible GM later down the line. Jeff needs to work on his timing, he's usually out of position or jumps to early for rebounds. Catching passes is something that he will have to improve on, maybe pop will let him hit that jumper a little more this year.

[stnick2261]

Why do people keep bringing up Bonner as expendable when he was way more important than Beli in the POs... He started WCF games when Splitter was covering up in the foetal position ffs...

The one who is expendable for sure is Beli who is clearly a negative impact type of player...

I believe Bonner is expendable because his value is in spacing the floor and Diaw does it better

[Cry Havoc]

The only guy it makes expendable is Daye, who was already expendable. If someone else were as consistent as Bonner from the arc, then he would be expendable. That said, no reason to pay Bonner much more than the minimum.

OP projecting his bitching into unlikely scenarios.

Throlden threads are becoming a plague.

[Mel_13]

I believe Bonner is expendable because his value is in spacing the floor and Diaw does it better

Diaw does lots of things better than Bonner, but he can't do them for 48 minutes per game.

So, for the minimum, are there better options than Bonner for the role that he filled this season? There are only a few spots at the end of the roster to be filled. I think there's a good chance that Bonner fills one of them.

[Johnny RIngo]

would people want booner for the min over channing frye

Too expensive for the Spurs

[stnick2261]

Diaw does lots of things better than Bonner, but he can't do them for 48 minutes per game.

So, for the minimum, are there better options than Bonner for the role that he filled this season? There are only a few spots at the end of the roster to be filled. I think there's a good chance that Bonner fills one of them.

We only needed that spacing when Ibaka was on the floor, not for 48 minutes, but I understand what you are saying. Bonner is valuable if he stays for minimum, I just believe that he's expendable if we want the open roster spot. When Diaw is not in the game, we can get the same effect going small ball.

[T Park]

Main thing that would help Jeff is being ready for passes. Second year is almost always better so we'll see. Pretty much everyone not in the rotation can be replaced fairly easily for what they did with the exception of Bonner -- and Bonner should be very cheap this time around if he stays.

Belinelli will take a step forward too.

[T Park]

We only needed that spacing when Ibaka was on the floor, not for 48 minutes, but I understand what you are saying. Bonner is valuable if he stays for minimum, I just believe that he's expendable if we want the open roster spot. When Diaw is not in the game, we can get the same effect going small ball.

There's 15 spots. Plenty of room.

[palangi]

So is this what we are looking at right now?

PG- parker, mills, cojo
SG- green, manu, bellineli
SF- leonard, daye
PF- diaw, anderson, ayers
C - duncan, splitter, baynes

[tholdren]

The only guy it makes expendable is Daye, who was already expendable. If someone else were as consistent as Bonner from the arc, then he would be expendable. That said, no reason to pay Bonner much more than the minimum.

OP projecting his bitching into unlikely scenarios.

baseless again. Spurs are in a position where they have several players interested in more money, and I dont think we can afford them all. With all the hype about A+ draft, one would assume that Anderson will play, otherwise I dont know how you can state this draft was a homerun... but maybe drafting someone who MAY contribute in several years is a homerun to some. If that is the case then question and any point after is moot.

you really think that daye has less upside than ayers?

[Mel_13]

We only needed that spacing when Ibaka was on the floor, not for 48 minutes, but I understand what you are saying. Bonner is valuable if he stays for minimum, I just believe that he's expendable if we want the open roster spot. When Diaw is not in the game, we can get the same effect going small ball.

True enough. We don't know what player, or players, that the Spurs might target with the MLE and the BAE. Bonner's roster spot is far from secure. I don't believe that the Spurs will sign him to a new contract until they've sampled the free agent market.

[boutons_deux]

an unproven rookie makes who expendable?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

an unproven rookie makes who expendable?

The brilliance of SpursTalk posters. Let's get rid of Duncan while were at it. I'm sure RC/Pop are contemplating this this very minute.

[ChumpDumper]

baseless again. Spurs are in a position where they have several players interested in more money, and I dont think we can afford them all. With all the hype about A+ draft, one would assume that Anderson will play, otherwise I dont know how you can state this draft was a homerun... but maybe drafting someone who MAY contribute in several years is a homerun to some. If that is the case then question and any point after is moot.

you really think that daye has less upside than ayers?I never stated it was a homerun.

It's so not a homerun that it doesn't make anyone expendable that wasn't already expendable.

Anderson does many of the same things as Daye. He doesn't do the same things as Ayers. Also Daye's deal is only partially guaranteed. All that makes him the most expendable.

You can post some numbers in an attempt to prove the Spurs can't keep their free agents, but I doubt you will even try.

[tholdren]

I never stated it was a homerun.

It's so not a homerun that it doesn't make anyone expendable that wasn't already expendable.

Anderson does many of the same things as Daye. He doesn't do the same things as Ayers. Also Daye's deal is only partially guaranteed. All that makes him the most expendable.

You can post some numbers in an attempt to prove the Spurs can't keep their free agents, but I doubt you will even try.

I already posted numbers - we are at 53 without mills/baynes/diaw/bonner/rookie; I believe the cap is 63, so roughly we are around 10 mil with those 4

[tholdren]

The brilliance of SpursTalk posters. Let's get rid of Duncan while were at it. I'm sure RC/Pop are contemplating this this very minute.
irony

[ChumpDumper]

I already posted numbers - we are at 53 without mills/baynes/diaw/bonner/rookie; I believe the cap is 63, so roughly we are around 10 mil with those 4So what's the problem?

You know what how the cap works, right?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

irony

Only error is I didn't put a ' between were. This this and that that, I know using those combinations are too advanced for your vocabulary.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

So what's the problem?

You know what how the cap works, right?

He doesn't b/c he is a moron. I am sure he doesn't even know what the Bird Rights are and what significance it play in teams resigning their own free agents.

[Mel_13]

I already posted numbers - we are at 53 without mills/baynes/diaw/bonner/rookie; I believe the cap is 63, so roughly we are around 10 mil with those 4

None of those players will be signed with cap space.

[ChumpDumper]

Unless LeBron wants to sign for the capspace, the cap number means little to the Spurs this offseason. If they were looking to go that route, they likely would've traded out of the first round.

[tholdren]

None of those players will be signed with cap space.


can you explain?

[ChumpDumper]

can you explain?http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[Mel_13]

can you explain?

They will all be signed with various salary cap exceptions. In any realistic scenario, the final payroll for the Spurs will be above the salary cap and below the luxury tax threshold.

[tholdren]

Mills gets bird? can boris get the Early Bird exception?

[Mel_13]

Mills gets bird? can boris get the Early Bird exception?

Full Bird. He's been with the Spurs for three seasons.

[tholdren]

Full Bird. He's been with the Spurs for three seasons.
So, realistically we will have the same team as last year plus MLE around $5?

[Mel_13]

So, realistically we will have the same team as last year plus MLE around $5?

That's the most likely outcome.

[tholdren]

That's the most likely outcome.

who is on your short-list MLE?

[littlecoyotecoin]

I honestly think Bonner is done, takes a job with the front office as a possible GM later down the line. Jeff needs to work on his timing, he's usually out of position or jumps to early for rebounds. Catching passes is something that he will have to improve on, maybe pop will let him hit that jumper a little more this year.

He looks like he is defficient in skills that are not acquired over a summer...or a lifetime. He's just uncoordinated, and I don't know if there's any fixing that. Stone hands. Etc. He is the only player I would like to see gone. Nothing personal, Jeff. You seem like a swell guy.

We need his spot for someone with a higher ceiling.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

That's the most likely outcome.

Plus the 2mil BAE.

[Mel_13]

who is on your short-list MLE?

If you assume that Mills and Diaw return, then:

A PF that can space the floor and a SF to backup Leonard.

[Mel_13]

Plus the 2mil BAE.

True, but I doubt that it's used.

[spurraider21]

They will all be signed with various salary cap exceptions. In any realistic scenario, the final payroll for the Spurs will be above the salary cap and below the luxury tax threshold.
Yup. The spurs cannot realistically retain Diaw and add anybody notable with cap space, and that's not accounting for mills/baynes/Anderson. Considering how much is coming off next offseason, it really won't be an issue

[spurraider21]

If you assume that Mills and Diaw return, then:

A PF that can space the floor and a SF to backup Leonard.
Marion sounds ideal, but I'm sensing he stays in dallas

[ChumpDumper]

If you assume that Mills and Diaw return, then:

A PF that can space the floor and a SF to backup Leonard.Yeah, the former especially if Bonner hangs it up.

It's going to be kind of rough because there is absolutely no guarantee of any playing time, so I'm not going to expect upper tier FAs to sign up.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

True, but I doubt that it's used.

I agree. The only reason they would use it is if Bertans or one of the other 2nd round picks were coming over next season. But it appears that won't be the case this year.

[DocDoc]

would people want booner for the min over channing frye

You aren't getting Frye for the minimum - he opted out to increase his pay, not decrease it!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

You aren't getting Frye for the minimum - he opted out to increase his pay, not decrease it!

He's not asking about Frye at the minimum, he means either Bonner at the minimum or Frye at what his current value is.

[xmas1997]

Would Frye take the MLE?

[cd021]

Diaw does lots of things better than Bonner, but he can't do them for 48 minutes per game.

So, for the minimum, are there better options than Bonner for the role that he filled this season? There are only a few spots at the end of the roster to be filled. I think there's a good chance that Bonner fills one of them.

I agree. Bonner for the min is actually not a bad deal and his floor spacing, especially against OKC and Miami, when Diaw was forced to start came in handy. The Spurs didn't want to go small and pairing him with Splitter off the bench kept them from having to.

[cd021]

Would Frye take the MLE?

Probably more than that. I think he walked away almost 7 million. He just turned 31 and could be in line for a 3 year $18-20 million deal given he is one of the better Stretch 4s in the NBA. GSW is reportedly interested (at least Iggy is) in him. If they don't deal for Love or they do (either way they'd have to use the MLE). I think that they could maybe nab him with the MLE given the the market.

[skulls138]

If Mills goes does anybody think he could be a backup PG?

[Seventyniner]

True, but I doubt that it's used.

I agree. Roster spots will run out before money does.

[Beaverfuzz]

Bonner $$$ might be going to Diaw and Mills, however there's still a roster spot to be filled.

[ducks]

Anderson has one and cheap

[FireMicoHalili]

I don't think Ayres or Joseph are going via trade since Pop highly values familiarity with the system. I'm worried for replacements in case Diaw, Mills, and Baynes all walk. It's easy to say we can replace Diaw with another passing big like McBob, or Mills with Joseph (not a scoring PG), or Baynes with another banger but it seems too simplistic a solution. PATFO almost always makes moves none of us here wanted/predicted. Just curious as to other people's list of players to replace these valuable pieces in case they leave.

As for Bonner, however, I favor Bertans or Thomas as a replacement. Free agent Mike Scott proved he can be a stretch four but he seems to demand a higher price.

[Money316]

Bonner's $$ should be going to Mills and Diaw. I'm not a Bonner hater but his contract is up and lets just say he was paid well for what he delivered.


:toast Well said.

[BackHome]

Austin to me is the guy to be replaced by Bertrans if he can come over.

[99 Problems]

Many guys improve big time 2nd yr at Spurs, for that reason I think Belinelli stays. Spurs way of business.