Patty Mills shoulder injury true - out 7 months

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

A shoulder injury has forced a devastated Patrick Mills to withdraw from Australia's world cup campaign as the NBA championship-winner faces up to seven months out of action.

Fairfax Media can reveal Mills will have surgery in the coming days to repair the rotator cuff in his right shoulder.


http://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/san-antonio-spurs-player-patty-mills-out-with-injury-for-seven-months-20140702-zstap.html?rand=1404271687184

[TheDarkSide.]

hate to root for an injury but...yeah..get well patty

[TVI]

Man, I can't believe he played so well in the finals with that injury.

[313]

:cry: warrior

[ducks]

he will be back on a one year deal

[Ron Swanson]

http://timsfilmreviews.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/batman-reaction-it-crowd-reaction.gif

[2centsworth]

I've had that injury. Took me two years to regain all my strength. For an athlete like mills, he should be good by playoffs.

[daslicer]

Awful injury 7 months wow that is pretty bad. That means he won't come back until around the start of 2015. This hurts the spurs from a depth stand point.

[Prime Time]

If he re-signs with the Spurs, it could be a blessing in disguise. Gives them more time to develop Anderson and perhaps even Joseph, whose improvement has been underrated.

[ducks]

cory joseph plus someone else

[DesignatedT]

Hmm

[xmas1997]

I don't think this bodes well for his free agency as far as other teams are concerned.

[ducks]

spurs should have got Livingston DAMM IT

[313]

If he re-signs with the Spurs, it could be a blessing in disguise. Gives them more time to develop Anderson and perhaps even Joseph, whose improvement has been underrated.
and if joseph emerges then Patty's stock will lower smh this was his best time for him to get paid. I'm not complaining though, I'm glad we're retaining him.

[2centsworth]

I bet patty get a 2 yr 7mil
deal.

[Baam]

I bet patty get a 2 yr 7mil
deal.

From who?

[ducks]

I bet patty get a 2 yr 7mil
deal.

he will have an opt out next year here
spurs are class

[Knoxxx]

3 years 10 million

[2centsworth]

he will have an opt out next year here
spurs are class

I can see that

[Baam]

3 years 10 million

An healthy Nate Robinson got 2M per year... Mills should be signed to the minimum imo in that situation...

[crc21209]

Damn. Bad news for Patty. Bad/Good news for the Spurs. Bad news because that only leaves them with CoJo as a backup point until late next season, good news because it will definitely keep teams away from him now..

[TheGreatYacht]

If he re-signs with the Spurs, it could be a blessing in disguise. Gives them more time to develop Anderson and perhaps even Joseph, whose improvement has been underrated.
I'm sorry but Cory Joseph got his chance to prove he was a backup PG for 3 years... And all he's proven is he can play well in trash minutes against OKC. Didin't do anything the games Parker sat out and he started.

SIGN TROY DANIELS :toast

[stephen jackson]

damn thats bad. highly doubt anyone pays him now
2 by 7 is likely for us....
but still out till January fuck

[2centsworth]

An healthy Nate Robinson got 2M per year... Mills should be signed to the minimum imo in that situation...
Patty is better than Nate. Also, spurs pay for goodwill and players reward then with loyalty.

[exstatic]

Spurs take care of their own.

[Baam]

Patty is better than Nate. Also, spurs pay for goodwill and players reward then with loyalty.

Meh they refused to pay Neal... They're loyal to the big 3...

[2centsworth]

Spurs take care of their own.
Absolutely.

[100%duncan]

Fuck

[daslicer]

Spurs take care of their own.

I see you deleted your original response towards me once you realized your reading comprehension is shitty.

[exstatic]

Meh they refused to pay Neal... They're loyal to the big 3...

Neal let a guy with one shoe burn him.

[Nathan89]

2yrs 4mil.

[Aztecfan03]

damn thats bad. highly doubt anyone pays him now
2 by 7 is likely for us....
but still out till January fuck

I think it is actually out till february since we are in July now.

[Mel_13]

Meh they refused to pay Neal... They're loyal to the big 3...

Neal wanted to take his chances on the open market. His choice.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Spurs take care of their own.

Isn't this the same injury that Al Horford had? He was back in 3-4 months the last time around (left shoulder)..and is expected back after 6-7 months out, this time around (right shoulder pectoral muscle tear).

[Knoxxx]

All but ensures Boris will be back. Does it change our potential mid and biannual exception targets?

[exstatic]

I see you deleted your original response towards me once you realized your reading comprehension is shitty.

Actually, when I realized we were saying the same thing.

[Ron Swanson]

Meh they refused to pay Neal... They're loyal to the big 3...

You're comparing apples to oranges. This is a completely different scenario.

[Aztecfan03]

I think 2 yrs/ 7 mil makes sense. 1st yr being for 2 mil and second being an option for 5 mil.

[exstatic]

I think it is actually out till february since we are in July now.

Depends on when he has the surgery. July just started, so there are almost 6 months left in 2014.

[timtonymanu]

Huge blow if we do re-sign him. Tony and Manu are going to need to rest up. It does make sense to bring in an extra wing player at this point.

[2centsworth]

Meh they refused to pay Neal... They're loyal to the big 3...

Neal got paid mostly because of how the spurs developed him. Read about how the spurs took care of Javtokas.

[elemento]

Spurs will take care of him. It will obviously hurt him in terms of getting his 1st fat contract, but the Spurs will definitely bring him back.

[Baam]

You're comparing apples to oranges. This is a completely different scenario.

Not really, people who expect role players to be treated the same way as core players are mistaken...

[loveforthegame]

Bummer. :td

No wonder the Spurs have been linked to so many pgs.

[Nathan89]

Isn't this the same injury that Al Horford had? He was back in 3-4 months the last time around (left shoulder)..and is expected back after 6-7 months out, this time around (right shoulder pectoral muscle tear).

I heard it took some fat bastard on Spurstalk two years to recover from such an injury.

[xmas1997]

That leaves Diaw.

[Robz4000]

God damn that sucks

[Mel_13]

Not really, people who expect role players to be treated the same way as core players are mistaken...

I didn't see anyone say that Mills would be treated the same as Duncan.

He'll be taken care of by the Spurs.

[superbigtime]

A 7 month recovery sounds like a really big deal. That's going to be hard but if anyone can overcome a setback it's this guy. Could be Cojo's year.

[2centsworth]

Not really, people who expect role players to be treated the same way as core players are mistaken... Neal went from playing at the Y to making 3 mil per because of the spurs. What are you crying about?

[Baam]

Neal went from playing at the Y to making 3 mil per because of the spurs. What are you crying about?

I'm just dismissing the idea of Mills getting paid 7M not to play.

[Mel_13]

I'm just dismissing the idea of Mills getting paid 7M not to play.

You said he should be signed for the minimum.


An healthy Nate Robinson got 2M per year... Mills should be signed to the minimum imo in that situation...

[Aztecfan03]

Depends on when he has the surgery. July just started, so there are almost 6 months left in 2014.

I was going by the seven months of the thread title- which would be until February. But the article says 6-7 months. So sometime in January is possible.

[TheGreatYacht]

Injured Mills, tired Manu, older Duncan, shitty ass Joseph gonna play, & Portland is about to bluff and make us overpay Diaw (who will probably get fat again now that he's gonna get a new contract)

MVParker, Kawhi, & Kyle Anderson need to step up if Spurs want homecourt again

[Baam]

You said he should be signed for the minimum.

Ideally yeah, imo it's a satisfying solution for both parties...

[Mel_13]

Ideally yeah, imo it's a satisfying solution for both parties...

You're mistaken...

[Ron Swanson]

@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Strong likelihood, I'm told, is Patty Mills re-signing w/San Antonio & taking 'til January to recover. Firmer diagnosis to come post-surgery

[Vic Petro]

Wouldn't expect him back before the rodeo trip.

[Mel_13]

@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Strong likelihood, I'm told, is Patty Mills re-signing w/San Antonio & taking 'til January to recover. Firmer diagnosis to come post-surgery

Seems like they're going to take care of him.

[TheGreatYacht]

@ESPNSteinLine: Spurs & Mills, I'm told, already talking new deal ... but injury bound to shrink what might've been promising market for flammable shooter

[Mikeanaro]

He is pulling an Ibaka.

[Aztecfan03]

Ideally yeah, imo it's a satisfying solution for both parties...

He will be out half the season. He is worth more than the minimum for half a season.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Huge blow if we do re-sign him. Tony and Manu are going to need to rest up. It does make sense to bring in an extra wing player at this point.

Manu will be tired and/or injured.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Spurs take care of their own.

I'm agnostic, but from your mouth to God's ear.

[Malik Hairston]

Damn, not looking toward to watching Cory Joseph being afraid to shoot the ball, tbh:lol..

[Aztecfan03]

Could be Cojo's year.

Would suck for Patty if Cojo does really really well and makes it hard for Pop to play Patty.

[Budkin]

7 months?? Fuck.

[ElNono]

gws patty

[SayTown]

Mills and the Spurs most likely knew during the season he would need surgery but he played through it to help win a championship so Spurs should pay him

[Mel_13]

Would suck for Patty if Cojo does really really well and makes it hard for Pop to play Patty.

That would be a good problem for Pop to have.

[benstanfield]

Yuck. Better hope Anderson can actually play PG. Cory Joseph just sucks.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Would suck for Patty if Cojo does really really well and makes it hard for Pop to play Patty.

Patty doesn't have to worry about that. Cojo is serviceable, but little more.

[DesignatedT]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/corey-joseph-dunked-on-serge-ibaka-a.gif?w=1000

[littlecoyotecoin]

Mills and the Spurs most likely knew during the season he would need surgery but he played through it to help win a championship so Spurs should pay him

Probably.

[DPG21920]

CJ reminds me of the USA Men's Soccer team: plays passive until they are literally forced to play without fear of repercussions and in attack mode.

[21209]

I feel awful for Patty. He really stepped up last year and proved his stock as a solid back-up.

The Spurs will take care of him.

[justinandimcool]

too much frogging tbh

Patty will get paid still. Spurs will take care of him if no one does.

CJ though? This is his career make or break moment.

[littlecoyotecoin]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/corey-joseph-dunked-on-serge-ibaka-a.gif?w=1000


The exception, not the rule. Do I have to break out the Bonner and Tiago dunk vids to show the meaninglessness of this one in proving a trend?

[Ron Swanson]

He'll come out looking like Jax from Mortal Kombat next season and wreck shop.

[jbspurs]

Some people here forget how well Cory Joseph played after Parker got hurt during western finals..

[ducks]

one dunk and 1 quarter

[elemento]

CJ reminds me of the USA Men's Soccer team: plays passive until they are literally forced to play without fear of repercussions and in attack mode.

:lol

That's actually a good comparison. I was pissed that they lost against Belgium today. Cory truly misses 3p shooting. That's pretty much what's holding him down to get the backup PG job.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This certainly explains the linked interest of the Spurs to PGs and scoring wings like Bazemore.

[manufan10]

CJ reminds me of the USA Men's Soccer team: plays passive until they are literally forced to play without fear of repercussions and in attack mode.

That drove me crazy. :lol I didn't understand the USMNT's strategy.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Very disappointed to hear of his injury. He is such a high energy player and fun to watch. I love how his game had really taken off this year. I will miss seeing him play in regular season with tons of confidence.
Spurs organization needs to pay this guy and take care of him till he's ready to come back.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

CJ can hold down the spot for a while easily

[Ron Swanson]

‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)After surgery to repair torn rotator cuff, Patty Mills will likely be out until March, sources tell Yahoo. Spurs still want to re-sign him.

[littlecoyotecoin]

CJ can hold down the spot for a while easily

Cojo doesn't turn the ball over. Good defense. But, he has no offense for himself, nor does he create any for his teammates. Holding down the spot he can do, but that's about the ceiling.

[timtonymanu]

‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)After surgery to repair torn rotator cuff, Patty Mills will likely be out until March, sources tell Yahoo. Spurs still want to re-sign him.

Yeah, there goes any chance of him being a contributor this upcoming season.

[timtonymanu]

Hopefully Cory Joseph grows some balls and be aggressive on offense. He has the potential to be a decent backup.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, there goes any chance of him being a contributor this upcoming season.

Finals are in June. Plenty of time.

[jkid12456]

:(i refuse to believe this

[Dex]

Props to Patty for playing through the pain and being the backup PG that all Spurs fans wanted. :tu

[Ron Swanson]

Props to Patty for playing through the pain and being the backup PG that all Spurs fans wanted. :tu

No shit. He tore it up (literally).

[siraulo23]

How the f did he play so well in the finals, huge props

take it easy on the towel waving and get well soon

[xmas1997]

Plenty of time for Patty to get in playing shape, Cojo to get a lot more confident, and Slomo to learn and use the system to his advantage and gain Pops trust.
This will be a good year barring any other significant injuries.
Now we still need Boris to sign.

[timtonymanu]

Yeah, it's impressive that Patty played through it in the Finals. Please come back, even if it isn't until March. :(

[TheGreatYacht]

Plenty of time for Patty to get in playing shape, Cojo to get a lot more confident, and Slomo to learn and use the system to his advantage and gain Pops trust.
This will be a good year barring any other significant injuries.
Now we still need Boris to sign.
No... Not... Co(no J)o

[TheGreatYacht]

Yuck. Better hope Anderson can actually play PG. Cory Joseph just sucks.

[TheGreatYacht]

Damn, not looking toward to watching Cory Joseph being afraid to shoot the ball, tbh:lol..

[Vic Petro]

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[slick'81]

This may help keep patty in town .sucks for his overall value but I'll be glad if he stays a spur

[Baam]

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If it's March it doesn't seem all that likely he could be ready for the POs in April tbh...

[TheGoldStandard]

Patty stays and this changes a lot of what the spurs will do this offseason depending on there belief in mills and company to hold down the fort.

[xmas1997]

If it is March, may as well say he is out for the year, he won't be in decent shape for the playoffs.

[Ice009]

‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)After surgery to repair torn rotator cuff, Patty Mills will likely be out until March, sources tell Yahoo. Spurs still want to re-sign him.

Wow. That is devastating news. It really, really sucks that he's out that long. That's almost most of the season. It's going to be hard for him to get back into the swing of things. I think he really needed to play the first part of the season to gain even more confidence in his game and also work on his defense. He was really starting to make improvements on the defensive end of the court.

Edit : How long did he have the injury? Did he play most of the season with it.

[jkid12456]

im crying.

[Vic Petro]

If it is March, may as well say he is out for the year, he won't be in decent shape for the playoffs.

As a front office I think you have to approach it as if you won't have Patty Mills this upcoming season. One little setback and he'd be done for the year, so I don't see how you can make plans that include him being a dependable part. By the time March rolls around, playoff rotations will have been earned and cemented for the most part. Of course they'll hope Patty finds his rhythm and they catch lighting in a bottle going into the playoffs, but to expect him to return and step right into a primary role is foolish.

[xmas1997]

im crying.

Crying?!?!
There is no crying in basketball!!!

[baseline bum]

Well fuck. Wanted Patty back strong and paid well. This throws all kinds of uncertainty into the equation now. Now maybe the Spurs are going to be scared of a multiyear deal, but they owe him for playing through that shit to win a title.

[TheGoldStandard]

As a front office I think you have to approach it as if you won't have Patty Mills this upcoming season. One little setback and he'd be done for the year, so I don't see how you can make plans that include him being a dependable part. By the time March rolls around, playoff rotations will have been earned and cemented for the most part. Of course they'll hope Patty finds his rhythm and they catch lighting in a bottle going into the playoffs, but to expect him to return and step right into a primary role is foolish.

Honestly its BAU for the Spurs. They won't overreact to the injury and they won't condemn him, he's apart of what they do but he's not the whole shebang. They'll explore there options and more than likely stand pat with what they have. They may invite Denmon to camp though and see if he's reliable for spot minutes

[2centsworth]

It's like losing him in free agency if March is the prognosis

[pikkiwoki]

Just great. Congratulations to Miami, 2015 NBA Champions.

[Gino-Step]

Would we be better off signing him in February? Spread the cap hit better? Can anyone share the info here?

[baseline bum]

Spurs offseason needs to be:

1. Re-sign Boris to a 3 year deal
2. Re-sign Patty to a 2-3 year deal
3. Extend qualifying offer to Baynes
4. Try to sign Steve Blake or Chalmers. Thankfully Blake might have just lost his job in GS.
5. See if Bonner signs for $1.5 million or less.

[baseline bum]

This sucks. I hate to not have Mills penciled in as the backup point after such a solid season and incredible Finals, but no way the Spurs can enter this season without a quality backup point who can shoot. So now you gotta tie money up in two backup point guards and then probably trade one in February. Gonna be hard to convince Blake or Chalmers to come to San Antonio when they know Mills is the backup point.

[Mr. Body]

Just great. Congratulations to Miami, 2015 NBA Champions.

:downspin:

Spurs would have slaughtered the Heat even without Mills.

[Ice009]

This sucks. I hate to not have Mills penciled in as the backup point after such a solid season and incredible Finals, but no way the Spurs can enter this season without a quality backup point who can shoot. So now you gotta tie money up in two backup point guards and then probably trade one in February. Gonna be hard to convince Blake or Chalmers to come to San Antonio when they know Mills is the backup point.

That's exactly why neither would probably be interested in signing here. That is also why the Spurs are possibly looking at low, low tier PGs like Telfair.

FUCK. I AM NOT interested in someone like Telfair at all. I hope that still was his agent talking him up and that the Spurs didn't really inquire about him.

If Cory wasn't such a pussy and too scared to be aggressive with his shooting and offense, we wouldn't need to worry about this.

[trev343]

this is a blessing in disguise for spurs as we will now be able to sign him and diaw.... he will have fresh legs going into the season and will be warmed up after 2 months of games before playoffs.

joseph is a solid backup and we will be able to play anderson potentially.

[spursfan1000]

I see him getting a 2 yr 8 million.

[letmk]

With Tony and Manu, Mills is essentially a SG. So we shouldn't target another PG, at least not a traditional PG.

[Baam]

With Tony and Manu, Mills is essentially a SG. So we shouldn't target another PG, at least not a traditional PG.

Bazemore and Troy Daniels seem to fit the bill...

[baseline bum]

this is a blessing in disguise for spurs as we will now be able to sign him and diaw.... he will have fresh legs going into the season and will be warmed up after 2 months of games before playoffs.

joseph is a solid backup and we will be able to play anderson potentially.

It's not a blessing at all. The Spurs have the room under the tax to pay both Diaw and Mills and then get another forward with the MLE. Now they'll have to use the MLE to try to get a point and who knows if they bring Mills back.

[baseline bum]

Bazemore and Troy Daniels seem to fit the bill...

Bazemore sucks, Daniels could be interesting, but he probably stays in Houston unless they land Melo.

[99 Problems]

I expect 4 months. At least should be able to keep fitness up which will be important considering not shooting the ball for a while.

[anakha]

If he's out until March, can insurance cover his contract for this season? If so, then there's no financial loss in signing him ASAP anyway.

[Aztecfan03]

Yuck. Better hope Anderson can actually play PG. Cory Joseph just sucks.


Patty doesn't have to worry about that. Cojo is serviceable, but little more.

He is a year younger than Kawhi. Let him develop a little and get the chance to show something.

[Aztecfan03]

Yuck. Better hope Anderson can actually play PG. Cory Joseph just sucks.


Cojo doesn't turn the ball over. Good defense. But, he has no offense for himself, nor does he create any for his teammates. Holding down the spot he can do, but that's about the ceiling.

Because he can't improve after the age of 22?

[Splits]

:cry Nando pls

[BanditHiro]

lol March my ass...throwing it out there to scare other teams into signing him.

[ezau]

I think he'll be ready in January. Patty is an elite athlete, so he'll be ready.

[Aztecfan03]

im crying.

It's all your fault. Like the one poster said, you were creating too many threads about him.

[Aztecfan03]

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[Fireball]

his workout routine will suffer ... get well Patty, but do not come back as fatty Patty

[slick'81]

Are the spurs now forced to use mle on a pg and let mills go ?

[HI-FI]

it definitely sucks but I hope Mills remains a Spur. his great energy and instant offense was necessary after last year's heartbreaker. hopefully RC figures something out.

:cry Nando pls
:lol

[NYspursFan]

"The Aussie is a free agent but sources told Stein he's expected to re-sign with the Spurs as the sides have already begun talks on a new deal.

Mills, a second-round draft pick by Portland in 2009, averaged 10.2 points in 18.9 minutes per game for the Spurs in his fourth full season, hitting a career-high 135 3-pointers." He'll be back. Were just gonna have to use more cojo until January

[jesterbobman]

Bad news for Patty, and bad for the Spurs. I'd be glad to see him re-signed at the 6m/2 year with a player option type deal discussed. Patty Mills is a good player, on a different level than Neal. TS% of 59% on decent usage is great, and worth more than the 3m he'd get in this deal.

For the first part of the season, I'd imagine the Spurs will run with CoJo as the primary backup PG, with Anderson playing there in stretches where it's against slower PG's.(Andre Miller, Kirk Hinrich types) or guys who can't shoot, so hanging back is a decent option. Either of them will be in with enough creators for it not to matter (Manu). Can also give a min deal to Marcus Denmon or another depth PG(E'Twan Moore level) to be 3rd string while they wait for Patty to recover. Same caveat applies for that guy as for Joseph: With Manu, Beli and Diaw alongside you, the PG doesn't really need to be a "pure" PG. A small shooter that can frustrate opposing 1's is the job description.

[anakha]

And the shoulder was the towel-waving shoulder too. Fuck.

[benstanfield]

He is a year younger than Kawhi. Let him develop a little and get the chance to show something.

Joseph is two months younger than Kawhi and has had three years with the Spurs to show he could do something, anything at an above average NBA level. He is what he is, a palatable defender and subpar at every other facet of the game. Spurs were in good hands with Patty and Cojo backing up Parker, but with only Cojo, if TP goes down or needs rest we're screwed.

Cory Joseph has had three years to prove he's more than a serviceable third-string PG and he hasn't. That's the end of the story.

[ChumpDumper]

Joseph is two months younger than KawhiYeah, his career is over.

[Johnny RIngo]

Tired Manu, Cory Joseph, Marco "negative impact" Belinelli...bench is going to be ugly to watch next year

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Spurs take care of their own.

Yes, exactly. Mills is 25 and the team wants him to be a big part of the future. Pay him fairly (4-5mil/yr) and lock him up for 4 years.

[mudyez]

First Nando is missing out on the ship, then on a opportunity to play. :lol

Take care of Patty and hope he can help come playoffs (until then CoJo and maybe even some Anderson experiments will do...maybe some Torros experiments as well)! Then Patty hopefully will take care of the team as it did for him.

Just a bummer that I won't see him play when the Spurs come to Germany in October (did see him with the Australian National team back in 2007 though).

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

It's not a blessing at all. The Spurs have the room under the tax to pay both Diaw and Mills and then get another forward with the MLE. Now they'll have to use the MLE to try to get a point and who knows if they bring Mills back.

I don't see that. You sign Patty just like you were going to, and CoJo plays backup until he comes back. I don't think we need to sign a backup PG, especially not for the first few months of the season when we just beat up on weak teams and lose to strong ones anyway - he should be back in January.

[T Park]

I'm sorry but Cory Joseph got his chance to prove he was a backup PG for 3 years... And all he's proven is he can play well in trash minutes against OKC. Didin't do anything the games Parker sat out and he started.

SIGN TROY DANIELS :toast

He was also te primary backup in 2013 and they should've won the ring that year shitbag.

[SupremeGuy]

This definitely brought his value down so it's time for the Spurs to strike while the iron is hot. 4yr/11m and we locked up a backup guard for nearly half a decade.

[T Park]

Bazemore sucks, Daniels could be interesting, but he probably stays in Houston unless they land Melo.

Oh come on Bazemore does not suck. Good defensively, athletic as hell, can hit the 3.


Sign him and a combo of Joseph, Parker, Diaw, sometimes Anderson running the point will work.

[downunder]

What an athlete to play thru in playoffs with that injury .

[Macca76]

im crying.
We know you are


just kidding

[admiralsnackbar]

Jameer Nelson came back after a long injury-based absence and helped Orlando in the PO's once upon a time. I am completely comfortable withPatty's missing the majority of the regular season at the expense of the contract he otherwise deserves, allowing CoJo to HAVE to improve (or compete with Bryce Cotton) to deserve the backup pg spot. Come PO time, there should be a clear answer as to who belongs on the roster, and I trust our FO to make the right decision(s).

[100%duncan]

This definitely brought his value down so it's time for the Spurs to strike while the iron is hot. 4yr/11m and we locked up a backup guard for nearly half a decade.

You are disgusting. 4yr/11 mil? Jodie Fucking meeks got 8.5 mil in 1 year.

[admiralsnackbar]

(Come to mention it -- Jameer just got cut...)

[benfti]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ic4Wvc_Z9fI/U5fPIQz9jJI/AAAAAAAAHZ4/APa9oLerczI/s1600/2.gif


And shot 52% with a torn rotator cuff.


should be a spur for life.


champion of an individual.

[SupremeGuy]

You are disgusting. 4yr/11 mil? Jodie Fucking meeks got 8.5 mil in 1 year.So because one team is dumb enough to overpay for a player, we should do the same? lol No. Don't be so naive. Patty was going to take advantage of his play in the finals to make more than he should probably get, so now we should take advantage of his injury to get him for a cheaper price. It's business, not personal.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

A 7 month recovery sounds like a really big deal. That's going to be hard but if anyone can overcome a setback it's this guy. Could be Cojo's year.

That is the healing time of a torn rotator cuff, which Patty has. Most people can play sports with this injury. However, for his long term career, it's best he have it taken care of now.

Estimated time of recovery is 6 months to be fully and able to resume high end sporting activities. Patty will be fine. Will give guys like Cojo and Daye minutes to develop further.

[Uriel]

Spurs offseason needs to be:

1. Re-sign Boris to a 3 year deal
2. Re-sign Patty to a 2-3 year deal
3. Extend qualifying offer to Baynes
4. Try to sign Steve Blake or Chalmers. Thankfully Blake might have just lost his job in GS.
5. See if Bonner signs for $1.5 million or less.
Wouldn't you rather see if CoJo can win the backup PG job? He showed flashes of being a capable full-time backup during the playoffs (most notably in his play in Game 5 of the OKC series) and it's a contract year for him, so he's bound to be motivated to prove himself.

Better yet, that course of action will allow us to preserve the full MLE to throw at a mid-tier free agent, a la Channing Frye, to take Bonner's role.

[Darkwaters]

Neal went from playing at the Y to making 3 mil per because of the spurs. What are you crying about?

The Spurs undoubtedly helped Gary Neal out tremendously. But the Italian League is hardly the Y. And he was making very respectable money abroad.

[Uriel]

Another possibility that hasn't been discussed on this thread yet is trying Kyle Anderson at backup PG. That was, after all, his position in college, where he was one of the best in the country at it. It isn't foolproof, but it's worth a shot.

Between Cory Joseph, Manu Ginobili, Boris Diaw, Marco Bellinelli, and Kyle Anderson, we already have a lot of PG-type playmakers on our team anyway. No need to delve into our MLE to get a new one.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Wouldn't you rather see if CoJo can win the backup PG job? He showed flashes of being a capable full-time backup during the playoffs (most notably in his play in Game 5 of the OKC series) and it's a contract year for him, so he's bound to be motivated to prove himself.

Better yet, that course of action will allow us to preserve the full MLE to throw at a mid-tier free agent, a la Channing Frye, to take Bonner's role.

Agree about CoJo - it'll be his 4th year in the league next season. It's time for him to prove he could be a back-up, or else he's of no use to the Spurs making over 2 mil, as a vet PG would cost twice less. If the Spurs do not believe that he'd be able to earn some 15 mins off the bench, then they're better off trying to dump his contract to some team that has cap space and needs players/salaries to fill up their roster in oct/nov.

[ceperez]

(Come to mention it -- Jameer just got cut...)

Yeah, I saw that. Has he declined so much in recent years?

[100%duncan]

So because one team is dumb enough to overpay for a player, we should do the same? lol No. Don't be so naive. Patty was going to take advantage of his play in the finals to make more than he should probably get, so now we should take advantage of his injury to get him for a cheaper price. It's business, not personal.

So a guy who shot lights out in the finals, averaged 10 ppg in 18 mins in RS, and is arguably the best back-up pg in the Parker Era deserves 3.2 million a year? Talk about naivety.

[Ice009]

I think he's earned a minimum of 4M per year (even with this injury).

[Twisted_Dawg]

Just great. Congratulations to Miami, 2015 NBA Champions.

Let's not start sucking their dicks just yet.

[benefactor]

Well that really sucks. Hopefully they can work out a deal and get him re-signed, then concentrate on rehab and getting him ready for another playoff run.

[Mugen]

The severity of the injury is really a bummer for both parties. Glad it means that he's likely back but it sucks, esp for Patty.

A combo guard like Bazemore makes a lot more sense now. But I'd still rather hand the reigns to CoJo until Patty is good to go tbh.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Another possibility that hasn't been discussed on this thread yet is trying Kyle Anderson at backup PG. That was, after all, his position in college, where he was one of the best in the country at it. It isn't foolproof, but it's worth a shot.

Between Cory Joseph, Manu Ginobili, Boris Diaw, Marco Bellinelli, and Kyle Anderson, we already have a lot of PG-type playmakers on our team anyway. No need to delve into our MLE to get a new one.

:tu

[pookenstein]

That fucking sucks. Mills was awesome for us last season.
Get well soon, Patty! I hope (and think) PATFO will take care of him without screwing the Spurs chances.

[benefactor]

Look on the bright side...at least the Spurs have another experienced backup point on the roster. Without Cojo they would really be fucked.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I've had that injury. Took me two years to regain all my strength. For an athlete like mills, he should be good by playoffs.

That is a vicscious injury, surgery and rehab. That's why when you are working at the gym you should not ignore working your shoulders on the cable cross machine to strengthen the rotator cuff.

[ace3g]

Spurs offseason needs to be:

1. Re-sign Boris to a 3 year deal
2. Re-sign Patty to a 2-3 year deal
3. Extend qualifying offer to Baynes
4. Try to sign Steve Blake or Chalmers. Thankfully Blake might have just lost his job in GS.
5. See if Bonner signs for $1.5 million or less.

I was going to suggest this if Mills left, try and sign Chalmers, who I believe just had a bad year; he has been clutch his entire career, not sure what happened.

[Richie]

I hope we take care of Patty, and think we will.

I don't want to try to low ball him too much, I think $11m/3yr is a fair deal considering how much he will miss. Give him a player option for his 3rd year if he wants.

[tholdren]

That is the healing time of a torn rotator cuff, which Patty has. Most people can play sports with this injury. However, for his long term career, it's best he have it taken care of now.

Estimated time of recovery is 6 months to be fully and able to resume high end sporting activities. Patty will be fine. Will give guys like Cojo and Daye minutes to develop further.

Yeah, he needs 7 months to gain 20 pounds of muscle in his shoulder. WTF is high end sporting activities? Yachting?

[tholdren]

That is a vicscious injury, surgery and rehab. That's why when you are working at the gym you should not ignore working your shoulders on the cable cross machine to strengthen the rotator cuff.

It isnt really that bad. Many people have tears and no symptoms, and really this injury would affect his passing and dribbling before his shot. He's in a good spot where he can afford to have surgery and get adequate rest. It will sound a lot worse than it is. Great news for us trying to purchase his contract, because teams I would assume will have that same mentality. He will be fine, AND he doesnt play this summer.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Because he can't improve after the age of 22?

It really doesn't matter what I think, he's going to get another opportunity. But, I don't think he learns how to pass over the summer, that's an innate skill...or ingrained over many many years. He has no knack for it. Pretty damning for a point guard. Tony was a better passer at 22, and Tony is least known for passing. Patty isn't a great passer, but he makes up for it with scoring. IMHO, Cojo's chance to improve is here, but he's light years behind Tony and Patty at the same stage in their careers. I will root for him, but I have very little expectation. He is going to be little more than the equivalent of a "game managing" quarterback in the NFL. He seems like a great kid, but after this last year of his contract, I hope we look elsewhere if his trajectory remains on course.

[EVAY]

He clearly proved himself worthy of a decent contract extension. His energy, as much or more than his three point shooting, is his value.

Here's the thing about how we replace him until whenever he comes back...he is a SHOOTING GUARD, not a point guard. When Manu was on the floor as he was last year and will be this year, he is the actual point guard of the second unit. Patty (or whomever) was charged with bringing the ball up the court to minimize the wear and tear on Manu. His first pass (assuming that he did pass) was virtually always to Manu, who would then run the offense, figure out what the defense was going to give us, and then do his thing, which occasionally involved passing it right back to Patty.

But the point of all of the above is that we will still have Manu this year, but not after (more than likely). Soooooo, that says to me that we have to put a point guard into development post haste, because after Manu is gone Mills' limitations as a true point guard (seeing the court, figuring out the defense, etc.) will be exposed. We will still need him as a shooting guard in the second team, but the role that Manu has played is the one we have to be focusing on.

[Captivus]

I wonder what the Spurs think about CoJo...

[Mal]

That sucks for Patty. I hope Spurs stay classy and resign him for good money.

[Dex]

I'm not really worried about filling the void left by Mills. We will likely see it done by committee with more CoJo, Green, Beli, and Ginobili (who needs his usual minute restrictions).

Spurs may need to target a 1/2 just in case Parker or Joseph go down for any significant time, which sucks because the roster is already jammed with guards and there are probably better uses for that spot.

[Dex]

That sucks for Patty. I hope Spurs stay classy and resign him for good money.

Resign or re-sign? :lol

[Baam]

He clearly proved himself worthy of a decent contract extension. His energy, as much or more than his three point shooting, is his value.

Here's the thing about how we replace him until whenever he comes back...he is a SHOOTING GUARD, not a point guard. When Manu was on the floor as he was last year and will be this year, he is the actual point guard of the second unit. Patty (or whomever) was charged with bringing the ball up the court to minimize the wear and tear on Manu. His first pass (assuming that he did pass) was virtually always to Manu, who would then run the offense, figure out what the defense was going to give us, and then do his thing, which occasionally involved passing it right back to Patty.

But the point of all of the above is that we will still have Manu this year, but not after (more than likely). Soooooo, that says to me that we have to put a point guard into development post haste, because after Manu is gone Mills' limitations as a true point guard (seeing the court, figuring out the defense, etc.) will be exposed. We will still need him as a shooting guard in the second team, but the role that Manu has played is the one we have to be focusing on.

They just drafted the best passing point guard in the draft.

[Baam]

So a guy who shot lights out in the finals, averaged 10 ppg in 18 mins in RS, and is arguably the best back-up pg in the Parker Era deserves 3.2 million a year? Talk about naivety.

Green who is as good a shooter and at least twice the defender (can defend 3 positions) is only making 4.5M... So yeah I don't see an injured Mills getting more than 3M per year...

[DesignatedT]

The type of contract he gets will show us how concerned the Spurs are about the injury. I doubt Patty would turn down a multi year deal if the Spurs offer him one. From what I can gather, it's not too serious an injury in regards to threatening his career; it just has a really long recovery time.

[Dverde]

I could see a 3 year, 10 million deal with an opt out after 2 years.

[tlongII]

Sucks for Patty. He's probably my favorite non-Blazer in the league. Hopefully he gets back to the level he was playing at in the Finals and earns some big $.

[EVAY]

They just drafted the best passing point guard in the draft.

Got that; didn't mean to imply otherwise. It is just that it is extremely likely to take more than this year for him to get entirely comfortable in the Spurs' system, don't you think? See, Leonard, Kawhi; Splitter, Tiago; etc. etc. etc.

[DesignatedT]

They just drafted the best passing point guard in the draft.

Who can't defend the position.

[Capt Bringdown]

Props to Patty for playing through the pain and being the backup PG that all Spurs fans wanted. :tu

Agreed, what a stud. I see nothing but bright futures for Patty. With his work ethic and dedication, the sky's the limit.

[100%duncan]

Green who is as good a shooter and at least twice the defender (can defend 3 positions) is only making 4.5M... So yeah I don't see an injured Mills getting more than 3M per year...
And that contract was signed 2 years ago.

Good job.

[kobyz]

This is twice bad news, also we lose Patty but also it hurt Slow Mo circumstances to fit and adapt to the team, him and Patty should play long side...

[SpursFanInAustin]

This injury reminds me of Speedy Claxton's injury in 2002-03, when he tore a labrum in his shoulder on the 3rd game of the season, and the Spurs had him go for surgery, and he did not return until after the AS-Break, and did not become part of the rotation until late March.

[xmas1997]

Got that; didn't mean to imply otherwise. It is just that it is extremely likely to take more than this year for him to get entirely comfortable in the Spurs' system, don't you think? See, Leonard, Kawhi; Splitter, Tiago; etc. etc. etc.

Under normal circumstances I would say you are right about familiarity with the Spurs system, but we are dealing with a player here who has an extremely high IQ, maybe the highest in the NBA, and not in just basketball, so I would not be surprised to see him comfortable with the system after 1/3 of the season. That would be a welcome change from the past.

[ohmwrecker]

The only bright side here is this will allow the Spurs to sign Patty to a longer deal at a bargain price. The question is, can the Spurs mange without him for that long with the current options. I don't really want to see them waste a roster spot and the MLE on a PG. Especially if Patty is able to bounce back reasonably quickly.

[boutons_deux]

This is twice bad news, also we lose Patty but also it hurt Slow Mo circumstances to fit and adapt to the team, him and Patty should play long side...

KA's BBIQ, court vision, size, passing will carry him very well, Patty or no Patty. His learning effort will be defense.

[littlecoyotecoin]

The only bright side here is this will allow the Spurs to sign Patty to a longer deal at a bargain price. The question is, can the Spurs mange without him for that long with the current options. I don't really want to see them waste a roster spot and the MLE on a PG. Especially if Patty is able to bounce back reasonably quickly.

We have to really root for Cojo, now. Time for him to shit or get off the pot.

[Mugen]

Using part of the MLE or the LLE on another PG on top of Patty would be a mistake considering CoJo/Kyle is on the roster and TP getting rest this summer tbh.

[DesignatedT]

Kyle at PG might not work. It's pretty obvious he can't defend the position.

[xmas1997]

Who can't defend the position.

We don't know that for sure yet.
And he may not have to defend the other teams PG, another player like Cojo could who is better defensively at this point in time.
If you have watched any of the highlights with Slomo handling the ball, it just appears that he is in slow motion, but pay attention to all the other supposedly quicker players around him on both teams.
They ALL seem to be in slow motion too, and even slower than he is, he dominates them.
Appearances can be deceiving.

[DesignatedT]

We don't know that for sure yet.
And he may not have to defend the other teams PG, another player like Cojo could who is better defensively at this point in time.
If you have watched any of the highlights with Slomo handling the ball, it just appears that he is in slow motion, but pay attention to all the other supposedly quicker players around him on both teams.
They ALL seem to be in slow motion too, and even slower than he is, he dominates them.
Appearances can be deceiving.

I like Slowmo. He's not built to defend small quick guys though.

[xmas1997]

I like Slowmo. He's not built to defend small quick guys though.

This is true, but he may not have to. We have guys who can defend on that side of the court, Cojo for one.

[DesignatedT]

This is true, but he may not have to. We have guys who can defend on that side of the court, Cojo for one.

Putting all your eggs in one basket is scary to me. Cojo will have a lot of pressure on him considering he's pretty much the only guy on the bench who can come in and provide decent minutes defending opposing guards.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

My guess pre-injury was $3.75M/year. Post-injury I say the Spurs will give him 2 years/$4.5M ($2.25M/year).

[xmas1997]

They just signed Cotton to a two year deal, but I think he will go to the Toros to develop.

[spurraider21]

The exception, not the rule. Do I have to break out the Bonner and Tiago dunk vids to show the meaninglessness of this one in proving a trend?
you mean Ibaka Killer and Dirk/Aldridge stopper? :lol

[Mal]

Resign or re-sign? :lol

Of course re-sign :) Thankfully, whole context was right.

[spurraider21]

trade daye back for nando

[tholdren]

trade daye back for nando
marco, corey, ayers, daye for dragic

[024]

Give Mills a two year deal with an opt out next year.

But damn, he played through the playoffs without injury? Makes his plays even more impressive.

[waisman]

Bryce Cotton !?
PG !?!?!?!?!

I cannot understand.

[Drom John]

The Spurs should sign Patty on the first day possible so the Spurs can pay for and supervise the the surgery and rehab.

[Boomersgold]

He clearly proved himself worthy of a decent contract extension. His energy, as much or more than his three point shooting, is his value.

Here's the thing about how we replace him until whenever he comes back...he is a SHOOTING GUARD, not a point guard. When Manu was on the floor as he was last year and will be this year, he is the actual point guard of the second unit. Patty (or whomever) was charged with bringing the ball up the court to minimize the wear and tear on Manu. His first pass (assuming that he did pass) was virtually always to Manu, who would then run the offense, figure out what the defense was going to give us, and then do his thing, which occasionally involved passing it right back to Patty.

But the point of all of the above is that we will still have Manu this year, but not after (more than likely). Soooooo, that says to me that we have to put a point guard into development post haste, because after Manu is gone Mills' limitations as a true point guard (seeing the court, figuring out the defense, etc.) will be exposed. We will still need him as a shooting guard in the second team, but the role that Manu has played is the one we have to be focusing on.

So by that logic, Parker is also considered to be a shooting guard. Whenever they were on the floor together, Parker would bring the ball up the floor, pass it to Manu and then race to the corner, allowing Manu to initiate the plays. Manu's simply the best play maker on the team; Pop knows this and wants the ball in his hands. Even Parker has to defer to him.

You forget that Manu missed 14 games last season, and the Spurs still won without him. Mills wasn't as exposed as you say he was.

[Aztecfan03]

Joseph is two months younger than Kawhi and has had three years with the Spurs to show he could do something, anything at an above average NBA level. He is what he is, a palatable defender and subpar at every other facet of the game. Spurs were in good hands with Patty and Cojo backing up Parker, but with only Cojo, if TP goes down or needs rest we're screwed.

Cory Joseph has had three years to prove he's more than a serviceable third-string PG and he hasn't. That's the end of the story.

yeah i was adding an extra year to kawhi for some reason but CoJo hasn't really been given much of a chance to prove to the fans much yet because of the emergence of Patty.

[davidbowie]

poor guy

[Holden_Caulfield]

do we get a roster exception if we re sign him?

[ChumpDumper]

do we get a roster exception if we re sign him?Nope. He's not missing the whole season.

[ducks]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 6m

Free agent CJ Miles has agreed to 4-year, $18M deal with Pacers, league source tells Yahoo. @CandaceDBuckner 1st reported an agreement.

[EVAY]

So by that logic, Parker is also considered to be a shooting guard. Whenever they were on the floor together, Parker would bring the ball up the floor, pass it to Manu and then race to the corner, allowing Manu to initiate the plays. Manu's simply the best play maker on the team; Pop knows this and wants the ball in his hands. Even Parker has to defer to him.

You forget that Manu missed 14 games last season, and the Spurs still won without him. Mills wasn't as exposed as you say he was.

I don't really feel that this distinction rises to the level of a big difference.

Tbh, when Parker was on the floor with Manu, he really often WAS used as the shooting guard, especially late in the season when his fatigue was getting to be a major factor. That line-up (Parker and Manu in the backcourt without Tim at the same time), was relatively rare and was another way to space the floor. In those situations, you would see Parker move to the corner as a potential three point shooter (and posters in this forum would ask what the hell Parker was doing in that position). I don't think that Pop's occasional forays into odd line-ups is an occasional for logical challenges.

Oddly enough, many Spurs are occasionally asked to play different positions. The fact that over 90% of the Spurs' offensive sets with the starting crew begin with Parker giving the ball to Tim and then beginning a loop or initiating a cut and drive back offensive set doesn't allow for ANY logical conclusion that he wasn't the guy setting the offense. The same cannot honestly be said for Mills' role in the second unit.

I am/was not trying to undercut Mills. I hope we get him back and I am thrilled that we had him this year. I am simply pointing out what, to me, was his primary contribution, and it was not the same as Parker's.

And btw, the Spurs won last year with virtually EVERYONE missing except for Kawhi. Pointing out that we won in Manu's absence as an indicator that Mills is good at setting the Spurs' offense does not logically follow.

[Spurtacus]

I feel bad for him since he was due for a solid pay day. But this obviously increases the Spurs chances to re-sign him. Sounds like best case scenario he'll be back by All-Star break.

[EVAY]

I am blown away by Mills' level of play with an injury that will result in surgery to repair. The guy was just a total warrior for us, and I hope and believe that he will be 'taken care' of by the organization.

[poeticism707]

Just come back to the Spurs,

and get 100% Patty.

Spurs may get a discount now,

BUT THEY BETTER

RESIGN PATTY.

[G-Dawgg]

So in other words, Patty will be a non-factor for the Spurs next year with this injury. He will likely not be in game shape and would have fallen out if the rotation. If that's the case why re-sign him if he can't help? Bring in this Cotton kid and let Patty walk.....

[superbigtime]

Teams are overpaying for mediocre unproven players left and right. Spurs need to strike now with both Patty and Boris. Getting especially antsy about Boris. Word out per Ticket 760 is that he wants about 2yr/20mill which is steep. Better use that Patty injury coupon quickly.

[Mel_13]

I bet patty get a 2 yr 7mil
deal.


From who?


3 years 10 million


An healthy Nate Robinson got 2M per year... Mills should be signed to the minimum imo in that situation...


Patty is better than Nate. Also, spurs pay for goodwill and players reward then with loyalty.


Meh they refused to pay Neal... They're loyal to the big 3...


You're comparing apples to oranges. This is a completely different scenario.


Not really, people who expect role players to be treated the same way as core players are mistaken...


I didn't see anyone say that Mills would be treated the same as Duncan.

He'll be taken care of by the Spurs.


Neal went from playing at the Y to making 3 mil per because of the spurs. What are you crying about?


You said he should be signed for the minimum.


Ideally yeah, imo it's a satisfying solution for both parties...


You're mistaken...


Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Deal for Spurs' Patty Mills, I'm told, is in $12 million range over three years. One of my heroes @Buck_SA (https://twitter.com/Buck_SA/) first reported the agreement

[KL2]

I'm not too worried about this injury, all it means is guys will have to step up, this is Cojo's chance, Cotton, even Kyle Anderson. SA can become an even better team because of this injury, they've done it before.

[ironman2886]

So the Patty deal is done? Good news.

[Harry Callahan]

Can the Spurs move out Ayers? I think I've seen enough with him. He is in the last year of his contract next year.

[KL2]

Teams are overpaying for mediocre unproven players left and right. Spurs need to strike now with both Patty and Boris. Getting especially antsy about Boris. Word out per Ticket 760 is that he wants about 2yr/20mill which is steep. Better use that Patty injury coupon quickly.


I feel good about Diaw re-signing, teams may not want to take a chance on him due to his past actions, thus driving his price down.

[ironman2886]

Can the Spurs move out Ayers? I think I've seen enough with him. He is in the last year of his contract next year.
What skill did he have to warrant the Spurs to sign him? Because he has athletism? I still can't believe they signed this f#€k.

[superbigtime]

Just saw the news about Mills

[Boomersgold]

I don't really feel that this distinction rises to the level of a big difference.

Tbh, when Parker was on the floor with Manu, he really often WAS used as the shooting guard, especially late in the season when his fatigue was getting to be a major factor. That line-up (Parker and Manu in the backcourt without Tim at the same time), was relatively rare and was another way to space the floor. In those situations, you would see Parker move to the corner as a potential three point shooter (and posters in this forum would ask what the hell Parker was doing in that position). I don't think that Pop's occasional forays into odd line-ups is an occasional for logical challenges.

Oddly enough, many Spurs are occasionally asked to play different positions. The fact that over 90% of the Spurs' offensive sets with the starting crew begin with Parker giving the ball to Tim and then beginning a loop or initiating a cut and drive back offensive set doesn't allow for ANY logical conclusion that he wasn't the guy setting the offense. The same cannot honestly be said for Mills' role in the second unit.

I am/was not trying to undercut Mills. I hope we get him back and I am thrilled that we had him this year. I am simply pointing out what, to me, was his primary contribution, and it was not the same as Parker's.

And btw, the Spurs won last year with virtually EVERYONE missing except for Kawhi. Pointing out that we won in Manu's absence as an indicator that Mills is good at setting the Spurs' offense does not logically follow.

My intention was actually to show that Mills is more than capable of manning the back up point guard spot in Manu's absence and that the Spurs' success with the bench wasn't solely the product of Manu's playmaking. As backup point guards only play a handful of minutes, Mills doesn't have to run the loop or set up long offensive sets. His job as an offensive point guard is to generate as many quick buckets as he can in the time that he's afforded, and he does that fine. Mills excels as hitting jumpers off the screen, and being the threat that he is from deep keeps the defense honest, which will sometimes leave shooters like Green and Bellineli open for threes. Note that he also plays the pick and roll well with our bigs (Ayres, Baynes, Timmy, and Splitter).

Btw, the second most used lineup last season included Diaw, Duncan, Ginobili, Leonard and Parker. Pop often used it in tight situations to close out games, so I wouldn't say that it rarely occurred. On almost every offensive possession, Parker would defer to Manu to do the playmaking and stand in the corner, as I said in my previous post. That's just a testament to Manu's tremendous passing and playmaking abilities (not a knock on Parker's).

[Ice009]

I think he's earned a minimum of 4M per year (even with this injury).

Looks like my guesstimate yesterday was right.


Teams are overpaying for mediocre unproven players left and right. Spurs need to strike now with both Patty and Boris. Getting especially antsy about Boris. Word out per Ticket 760 is that he wants about 2yr/20mill which is steep. Better use that Patty injury coupon quickly.

I have no idea what the Spurs should be looking to pay Diaw. On one hand, TD makes about 10M, so Boris shouldn't ask for that much, but on the other hand, Tiago makes 10M, so Boris should ask for that much.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Looks like my guesstimate yesterday was right.



I have no idea what the Spurs should be looking to pay Diaw. One one hand, TD makes about 10M, so Boris shouldn't ask for that much, but on the other hand, Tiago makes 10M, so Boris should ask for that much.

Talk about a rock and a hard place. You make a good point! Heh heh.

[SouthernFried]

If he re-signs with the Spurs, it could be a blessing in disguise. Gives them more time to develop Anderson and perhaps even Joseph, whose improvement has been underrated.

This.

[Agloco]

4 mil per? I seriously doubt that Patty will be out until next Feb. Good signing though. Gotta get Boris back now.

[Ice009]

Talk about a rock and a hard place. You make a good point! Heh heh.

I have to add that Tiago is making about 8.66M on average for the next three seasons. Someone pointed that out in another thread. I thought Tiago's salary increases each year, but it doesn't, so I think the Tiago contract isn't too bad. 26M with 3 years remaining. That's pretty good, especially in comparison with some of the contracts being given out this off-season.

I think Diaw is worth 8-9M per season. If he wants more then that, then I would tell him, sure, but if we were to give you that much, then you need to get into the best shape possible and stay in that shape. I think someone mentioned that he had a bet with Patty Mills last off season about getting in shape and that's one of the reasons Mills worked his ass off in the off-season, whereas I'm not sure what kind of work Boris did in comparison, if any (apart from playing for the national team)?

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If you could count on Aggressive Boris (or whatever we were calling it earlier in the year) to be here for the length of the contract, I don't think the team would have a problem giving him what he and his agent want.

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What skill did he have to warrant the Spurs to sign him? Because he has athletism? I still can't believe they signed this f#€k.
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My intention was actually to show that Mills is more than capable of manning the back up point guard spot in Manu's absence and that the Spurs' success with the bench wasn't solely the product of Manu's playmaking. As backup point guards only play a handful of minutes, Mills doesn't have to run the loop or set up long offensive sets. His job as an offensive point guard is to generate as many quick buckets as he can in the time that he's afforded, and he does that fine. Mills excels as hitting jumpers off the screen, and being the threat that he is from deep keeps the defense honest, which will sometimes leave shooters like Green and Bellineli open for threes. Note that he also plays the pick and roll well with our bigs (Ayres, Baynes, Timmy, and Splitter).

Btw, the second most used lineup last season included Diaw, Duncan, Ginobili, Leonard and Parker. Pop often used it in tight situations to close out games, so I wouldn't say that it rarely occurred. On almost every offensive possession, Parker would defer to Manu to do the playmaking and stand in the corner, as I said in my previous post. That's just a testament to Manu's tremendous passing and playmaking abilities (not a knock on Parker's).

My quote was of the combination of Parker and Manu without Tim as the relatively rare line-up. I stand by it.