Current..... Best Ever!

[Avante]

There will never be a Niner wide receiver better than Jerry Rice or a Cleveland Brown running back (he was actually a fullback-different deal back then) better than Jim Brown. So what current players are the best ever at their position for their team.

Calvin Johnson WR Lions
Adrian Peterson RB Vikings
Russell Wilson QB Seahawks
Richard Sherman CB Seahawks
Frank Gore RB Niners (sorry Roger)
Tom Brady QB Pats
Peyton Manning Colts....gonna make an exception here. He's obviously not gonna surpass Elway as a Bronco.
Phillip Rivers QB Chargers (sorry Dan)
Drew Brees QB Saints
Larry Fitzgerald WR Cards

There are more, who?

[Pelicans78]

Guard - Jahri Evans

Marques Colston is debatable since he played with Brees his entire career while Joe Horn had broken previous records while having Aaron Brooks as his QB. Personally I think Horn was better in his prime.

Graham will eventually be the Saints best TE ever if he's already not. Hobby Brenner, Wesley Walls, and Jeremy Shockey weren't as impactful as Saints.

I'm not convinced Rivers is better than Fouts. Actually he's not. I think Fouts will still go down as the better QB.

[spurraider21]

I'm not convinced Rivers is better than Fouts. Actually he's not. I think Fouts will still go down as the better QB.
i agree.

[Clipper Nation]

Fouts > Rivers.... the only reason Fouts never won a ring is because ownership cheaped out and let all the defensive talent walk and the front office failed to replace them....

[Aztecfan03]

Possibilities from the Chargers but I'm young I might not know some of the older players not at skill positions.

Nick Hardwick C

Eric Weddle FS

Antonio Gates TE (unless people who saw Winslow think Winslow is better)

Those are the only candidates right now besides Rivers.

[Blake]

Peyton Manning Colts....gonna make an exception here. He's obviously not gonna surpass Elway as a Bronco.
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Unitas > Manning

[Blizzardwizard]

I'd say Fouts was better than Philip if only just. Fouts and the Chargers would've won a superbowl if it wasn't for the freezer bowl.

[J.T.]

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Unitas > Manning

He just posted that to shit on Luck. Move along, nothing to see here but another list.

[Blake]

He just posted that to shit on Luck. Move along, nothing to see here but another list.

I figured.

Was just pointing out the almanacker is wrong again per par etc the usuals

[Avante]

Guard - Jahri Evans

Marques Colston is debatable since he played with Brees his entire career while Joe Horn had broken previous records while having Aaron Brooks as his QB. Personally I think Horn was better in his prime.

Graham will eventually be the Saints best TE ever if he's already not. Hobby Brenner, Wesley Walls, and Jeremy Shockey weren't as impactful as Saints.

I'm not convinced Rivers is better than Fouts. Actually he's not. I think Fouts will still go down as the better QB.

Jimmy Graham is the best Saint TE and Colston hasn't surpassed Joe Horn, in my opinion. I agree Rivers vs Fouts is close.

[Avante]

Fouts > Rivers.... the only reason Fouts never won a ring is because ownership cheaped out and let all the defensive talent walk and the front office failed to replace them....

No way I'd ever knock Dan Fouts, if he'd had even a good defense he's winning SB's. But....his stats are a bit inflated because of that defense. He was constantly playing catch up, which obviouisly means pass pass and pass. Now add the fact he had the best set of receivers we've ever seen on the same team. Two HOFer and John Jefferson who was incredible.

[Avante]

He just posted that to shit on Luck. Move along, nothing to see here but another list.

Dude, how in the hell could Andrew Luck be in a conversation with John Unitas and Peyton Manning? No way in hell he belongs. The Seahawks haven't had anyone at QB in franchise history, what Jim Zorn, Dave Kreig, Matt Hasslebeck?

Why don't you move along, ok?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Now add the fact he had the best set of receivers we've ever seen on the same team. Two HOFer and John Jefferson who was incredible.

Nah. Greatest Show on Turf.

[Darth_Pelican]

Robert Mathis - OLB - Colts
Joe Flacco - QB - Ravens

[Avante]

Nah. Greatest Show on Turf.

Kellen Winslow is in any discussion of the best ever TE. Charlie Joiner left the game as the leagues all time leading receiver. Still on the All Time lists for rec/yards, Then there was the amazing John Jefferson** this guy was something else. Then he got funky wanted more $$$$$$$$$ got traded to the Packers (they had James Lofton) and....kaplunk!

Keep in mind Marshall Faulk played a big part in that GSOT, he wasn't a receiver.

** after Jefferson was traded, in stepped Wes Chandler who was just as..wow!

[Avante]

As far as Unitas vs Manning goes, now this...era...thing plays a big part, not unlike Brown back then. I can see where a case can be made for Unitas, if we wanna play "in his era". But.....Unitas never came remotely close to facing the kind of athletes Manning faces, which can also be said about Jim Brown. I'd never disrepect those true studs like Unitas/Brown I just see a guy who has done what Peyton Manning against that level of competition....................

Unitas did have the first "great" TE in John Mackey, the best receiver in the league in Ray Berry and histories first "great" receiving running back in Lenny Moore***. All of them in the HOF.

*** would be a receiver today.

[johnsmith]

Kellen Winslow is in any discussion of the best ever TE. Charlie Joiner left the game as the leagues all time leading receiver. Still on the All Time lists for rec/yards, Then there was the amazing John Jefferson** this guy was something else. Then he got funky wanted more $$$$$$$$$ got traded to the Packers (they had James Lofton) and....kaplunk!

Keep in mind Marshall Faulk played a big part in that GSOT, he wasn't a receiver.

** after Jefferson was traded, in stepped Wes Chandler who was just as..wow!

If you're going to discuss greatest tight ends you almost have to split the category to "pre Shannon sharpe" or "post Shannon sharpe" because before him that position changed so much after him.

[Clipper Nation]

If you're going to discuss greatest tight ends you almost have to split the category to "pre Shannon sharpe" or "post Shannon sharpe" because before him that position changed so much after him.
Actually, it was Kellen Winslow Sr. who really changed the position, not Sharpe....

[johnsmith]

Actually, it was Kellen Winslow Sr. who really changed the position, not Sharpe....

I've had this debate before too...I don't totally disagree with you but after Sharpe came in, then Gonzalez came in, then every other tight end looked the same as those two. There was a long gap between Winslow and Sharpe where tight ends were still big blockers mostly other than the occasional semi fast white guy.

[Clipper Nation]

I've had this debate before too...I don't totally disagree with you but after Sharpe came in, then Gonzalez came in, then every other tight end looked the same as those two. There was a long gap between Winslow and Sharpe where tight ends were still big blockers mostly other than the occasional semi fast white guy.
Still, without Winslow having WR-esque talent and Coryell recognizing it, tight ends like Sharpe, Gonzalez, Gates, Graham, etc. never exist.... Winslow was the prototype for what was to come....

[Aztecfan03]

Still, without Winslow having WR-esque talent and Coryell recognizing it, tight ends like Sharpe, Gonzalez, Gates, Graham, etc. never exist.... Winslow was the prototype for what was to come....

I'm not sure they would have never existed but Winslow was certainly that type well before Sharpe.

[johnsmith]

But after Sharpe, they've all been like that.

I don't disagree though

[johnsmith]

Jesus, I just looked up Winslows numbers and didn't realize what a fing beast he was. Had he played for as long as Sharpe or Gonzalez he would have crushed.

[manufan10]

Jason Witten TE Cowboys

And if Dez can keep it up, I can see him taking over as top WR.

Also, if Romo can get that elusive championship, he already has the stats for QB. And yes, both of those are big IFs.

[johnsmith]

Jason Witten TE Cowboys

And if Dez can keep it up, I can see him taking over as top WR.

Also, if Romo can get that elusive championship, he already has the stats for QB. And yes, both of those are big IFs.

Dez over Irvin? I don't see that happening. Never know I suppose but those are some pretty big shoes to fill.

[manufan10]

Dez over Irvin? I don't see that happening. Never know I suppose but those are some pretty big shoes to fill.

I think he has the tools to do it. Will he? We'll have to wait and see. But yeah, those are pretty big shoes to fill.

[Thebesteva]

Thought this thread was about me

[Infinite_limit]

- Ya Winslow's 6 foot 5 frame was quite impressive

- Dez won't even sniff Irvin. Mike is arguably the most physical WR of all time and forced to retire right when he was beginning to decline. When people think of the Cowboys Dynasty, Mike is the 2nd guy to mind

[Blake]

When people think of the Cowboys Dynasty, Mike is the 2nd guy to mind

what people

[Infinite_limit]

what people
Human beings

[Aztecfan03]

Human beings

I would probably say third.

[Infinite_limit]

I would probably say third.
I'd say Irvin was Top 3 at his position while Aikman was Top 10

[Aztecfan03]

I'd say Irvin was Top 3 at his position while Aikman was Top 10

But I still think of Aikman before Irvin.

[Blake]

Human beings

You're the first I've ever seen say it.

[Infinite_limit]

You're the first I've ever seen say it.
Emmitt - #1 RB
Irvin - Top 5 WR
Aikman - Top 10 QB

The offensive line gets more credit than Aikman

[Blake]

Emmitt - #1 RB
Irvin - Top 5 WR
Aikman - Top 10 QB

The offensive line gets more credit than Aikman

I'm not arguing which of the three is most important. I'm referring to you saying "people think".

"people" inducted Troy before Michael into the HOF and Troy even retired a year later than Mike.

[Blake]

And frankly, I don't know any people that think Troy is a top ten QB.

[Infinite_limit]

And frankly, I don't know any people that think Troy is a top ten QB.
I'm saying at the time

[Blake]

I'm saying at the time

what human beings other than you had him as a top ten QB at the time?

In no order there's
Montana
Elway
Unitas
Steve Young
Otto Graham
Bradshaw
Staubach
Marino
Starr
Baugh

whoever put him at ten at the time was being generous, imo

[Infinite_limit]

what human beings other than you had him as a top ten QB at the time?

In no order there's
Montana
Elway
Unitas
Steve Young
Otto Graham
Bradshaw
Staubach
Marino
Starr
Baugh

whoever put him at ten at the time was being generous, imo
Noooo. I'm saying in the 90's

Marino, Elway, Young, Favre, Kelly, Moon

[Blake]

Noooo. I'm saying in the 90's

Marino, Elway, Young, Favre, Kelly, Moon

narrow it down further. Definitely top ten in Texas in 1995.

[Sean Cagney]

No way I'd ever knock Dan Fouts, if he'd had even a good defense he's winning SB's. But....his stats are a bit inflated because of that defense. He was constantly playing catch up, which obviouisly means pass pass and pass. Now add the fact he had the best set of receivers we've ever seen on the same team. Two HOFer and John Jefferson who was incredible.

Hell yeah, Charlie Joiner and Wes Chandler was there too right? I know they had James Brooks as RB and he could catch out of the backfield as well! He had some flat out weapons out there! His team was flat out loaded on the offensive end. He was Dan Marino before Dan Marino my pops said, dude could throw his ass off.

[Aztecfan03]

Hell yeah, Charlie Joiner and Wes Chandler was there too right? I know they had James Brooks as RB and he could catch out of the backfield as well! He had some flat out weapons out there! His team was flat out loaded on the offensive end. He was Dan Marino before Dan Marino my pops said, dude could throw his ass off.

They had JJ, Joiner, and Winslow and then later had Chandler, Joiner, and Winslow. Chuck Muncie looks like he was the main RB. THey had brooks(i never heard of him- i'm young) but he never rushed or caught for more in san diego than Chuck Miuncie

[Sean Cagney]

They had JJ, Joiner, and Winslow and then later had Chandler, Joiner, and Winslow. Chuck Muncie looks like he was the main RB. THey had brooks(i never heard of him- i'm young) but he never rushed or caught for more in san diego than Chuck Miuncie

You are correct on the top three Recievers there, it's a shame JJ had his careeer cut short due to injuries because his first few years he was a beast! Chandler came later from the Saints I remember, correct there. Chuck Muncie was the main RB and got the bulk! Brooks was a young dude then and mainly a off pace scatback who could catch and run, he did not put in major work until he got traded to the Bengals later on and got more carries and touches, still a deadly back though with a ton of speed in his days in SD. I was too young to really see Brooks too as I am only 36, he was mainly an 80's RB and with the Bengals and I got into football in 92 so I missed most of those guys but studied the game beyond belief with books and cards and so on so I knew who they were.

[Avante]

Hell yeah, Charlie Joiner and Wes Chandler was there too right? I know they had James Brooks as RB and he could catch out of the backfield as well! He had some flat out weapons out there! His team was flat out loaded on the offensive end. He was Dan Marino before Dan Marino my pops said, dude could throw his ass off.

One the the greatest offenses ever, imagine a 1000 yard rusher in Muncie, a 1000 yard TE and two 1000 yd wide outs...whoa! That was that Muncie, Winslow, Jefferson and Joiner gang. Brooks** and Chandler came a little later but did play with Fouts. But people forget about that great Charger offense that came before Fouts and his weapons.

They once had this AFL West starting All Star game gang.

QB...Tobin Rote one of the top 2/3 in the league.
FB...Keith Lincoln*** only Cookie Gilchrist was better
RB...Paul Lowe he along with Abner Haynes the best in the l;eague.
WR...Lance Alworth realistic debate about him being the besyt in all pof football.


** Brooks was at one time the Bengals all time rushing leader, Corey Dilon would replace him there.

*** Lincoln scored...

PAT
FG
rushing
receiving
passing
punt return
KO return

[Avante]

Emmitt - #1 RB
Irvin - Top 5 WR
Aikman - Top 10 QB

The offensive line gets more credit than Aikman

When talking triplets that Cowboy trio was about as good as it got. All in the HOF.

We have to put them right there with....

Colts..Johnny Unitas, Lenny Moore, Ray Berry (TE John Mackey)
Buffalo...Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas. Andre Reed
Niners...Joe Montana, Roger Craig, Jerry Rice
Colts...Peyton Manning, Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison

[Clipper Nation]

When talking triplets that Cowboy trio about as good as it got. All in the HOF.

We have to put them right there with....

Colts..Johnny Unitas, Lenny Moore, Ray Berry (TE John Mackey)
Buffalo...Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas. Andre Reed
Niners...Joe Montana, Roger Craig, Jerry Rice
Colts...Peyton Mnning, Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison
Where's the video, welcher?

[Avante]

Where's the video, welcher?

Here's the.....new deal...little faggot, until you stop ignoring thread topics and start posting threads I'm done with your stupid bullshit. This board is about football ya dumb fuck, so stop going off in dummyville...ok? You are a leech asshole and it totally sucks, so until we see you posting threads here/The Club......you just died!

Now watch this dummy still follow me around, wow!

[Clipper Nation]

Here's the.....new deal...little faggot, until you stop ignoring thread topics and start posting threads I'm done with your stupid bullshit. This board is about footbal ya dumb fuck, so stop going off in dummyville...ok? You are a leech asshole and it totally sucks, so until we see you posting threads here/The Club......you just died!

Now watch this dunmy still follow me around, wow!
So you're officially admitting you've welched?