Manu to miss World Cup with stress fracture in leg

[anakha]

Just read his American Airlines flight had a broken wheel (not kidding)... the irony...

I'll translate some quotes from the presser in a bit...

You should have posted this in Spanish to see if anybody would have misread it and melted down. :lol

[xmas1997]

Here is one article:


It seems San Antonio Spurs’ Manu Ginobili can’t buy a break this offseason.

As if discovering he has a stress fracture in his right leg, making his play with Team Argentina this summer at the FIBA World Cup in doubt, Manu’s flight to Argentina had an emergency landing due to faulty landing gear according to website Diario Jornada.

Ginobili and his family were fine and they landed safely.

And about that fracture, Ginobili is insistent the Spurs are over reacting and says he needs less time to heal than San Antonio thinks.

Via Diario Jornada:

“The San Antonio Spurs doctors are more cautious, they said I need 8 weeks. I think 4 or 5 is more reasonable.”

Manu did point out the Spurs do not want him to play with Team Argentina in Spain after news of the injury.

“I think I get to play in the World Cup, but San Antonio does not want me to play.”

“I am shocked by the news of the injury. It is in the same place as in 2009, but much lower,” said Manu, who last month won the NBA championship with the Spurs for the fourth time. “On July 25, we will repeat tests. Should be expected. I’m optimistic and I think four weeks are sufficient to recover,” he added.

An emergency landing and a stress fracture.

[ElNono]

http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1707074-un-susto-para-manu-el-avion-en-el-que-llego-ginobili-fue-declarado-en-emergencia

Manu Ginóbili: "I'm fine, shocked, but I'm optimist, the injury will heal"

Everybody was waiting for his words, from Manu Ginobili, looking into the Spain World Championship that starts in August. After learning about the injury, the NBA champion said it's the same injury as 2009 but "less severe".

"I'm fine, shocked, overwhelmed from the news about the injury. I'm optimist, I have four weeks and I trust I'll be better, the injury will heal", said the player from Bahia before answering questions, explaining how he's progressed after earning his 4th NBA ring.

"I talked to Pop before traveling, it's obvious San Antonio would prefer if I don't play, time will tell. If I'm healthy, I'll be at the Worlds", he said and he was clear his intention is to be in Spain. "The doctor said I shouldn't play, but because he's the team's doctor I asked for a second opinion", he said about the studies he had done.

"I want to play my last championship. I want to be there again, after this year it's very difficult I'll play again for Argentina. Nevertheless I have to take care of my body, if I'm not healthy, I won't play", said Ginobili. He was unambiguous: "If in July 25th, when I'm having some more studies done, I'm like now, I won't go".

After winning his 4th ring in the NBA, Ginobili arrived this morning in the country. He landed near 8:50AM and the flight he was coming in had an emergency landing and for that reason he arrived an hour late.

About the 4th ring. Ginobili expressed that the NBA title won this year was more valuable than the previous three. "We won the first three very close to each other, but we won this one seven years later, with the same core, that's why I enjoy this one more".

"The third game, in Miami, was our best game. When the game ended we realized we found the recipe to beat them, we saw their faces were not the same as the year before, we realized we could do this", he said.

About continuing in the NBA, he said: "I never think it's our last chance, we played three western conference finals in a row, two finals in a row... if one day I can't continue, so be it".

[xmas1997]

Great find, ElNono.

[Marhq]

From http://www.clarin.com/deportes/Ginobili-San-Antonio-tener-confiar_0_1168683527.html


"It's logical that San Antonio would rather I didn't play"

"I must be responsible and respect my body. If I'am not healthy I'm not going to play. It's not about pain or the chance of worsening the injury, It's about me not being able to be at the level I want"

"I wanted to have an opinion from a doctor without any horses in this race"

"The doctors in San Antonio, which are more cautious, told me eight weeks, but four or five seem to me more reasonable"

"I told them (San Antonio) 'Give me the chance of waiting until the 25th and see how I am'. If by the 25th I'm still the same I am today and there has been barely any progress I will not play. If there's a gray area they will have to trust me"

"I want to play my last tournament. I'm going to be 37 in a few weeks, I know it's very likely I will never play again for the NT after the World Cup"

Saludos.

[carina_gino20]

The surgery was before the 2008-09 season. He did not have surgery after the stress reaction late that season. Just rest and he was ready to go for 2009-10.

You're right. I remembered the surgery timing wrongly. But I remember that the stress fracture escalated quickly to "out for the rest of the season" in '09.

[SupremeGuy]

Wow, he's really coming off as a douche. :lol

"Argentina wants me to play on a broken leg, but I'm so blindly patriotic for my 3rd world country that I love them for it." :cry

"The Spurs don't want me to play on a broken leg and just want me to relax, they're really pissing me off." :madrun

Holy fuck, it just defies logic. :lol

[ElNono]

From http://www.clarin.com/deportes/Ginobili-San-Antonio-tener-confiar_0_1168683527.html

Saludos.

thanks

[EVAY]

http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1707074-un-susto-para-manu-el-avion-en-el-que-llego-ginobili-fue-declarado-en-emergencia

Manu Ginóbili: "I'm fine, shocked, but I'm optimist, the injury will heal"

Everybody was waiting for his words, from Manu Ginobili, looking into the Spain World Championship that starts in August. After learning about the injury, the NBA champion said it's the same injury as 2009 but "less severe".

"I'm fine, shocked, overwhelmed from the news about the injury. I'm optimist, I have four weeks and I trust I'll be better, the injury will heal", said the player from Bahia before answering questions, explaining how he's progressed after earning his 4th NBA ring.

"I talked to Pop before traveling, it's obvious San Antonio would prefer if I don't play, time will tell. If I'm healthy, I'll be at the Worlds", he said and he was clear his intention is to be in Spain. "The doctor said I shouldn't play, but because he's the team's doctor I asked for a second opinion", he said about the studies he had done.

"I want to play my last championship. I want to be there again, after this year it's very difficult I'll play again for Argentina. Nevertheless I have to take care of my body, if I'm not healthy, I won't play", said Ginobili. He was unambiguous: "If in July 25th, when I'm having some more studies done, I'm like now, I won't go".

After winning his 4th ring in the NBA, Ginobili arrived this morning in the country. He landed near 8:50AM and the flight he was coming in had an emergency landing and for that reason he arrived an hour late.

About the 4th ring. Ginobili expressed that the NBA title won this year was more valuable than the previous three. "We won the first three very close to each other, but we won this one seven years later, with the same core, that's why I enjoy this one more".

"The third game, in Miami, was our best game. When the game ended we realized we found the recipe to beat them, we saw their faces were not the same as the year before, we realized we could do this", he said.

About continuing in the NBA, he said: "I never think it's our last chance, we played three western conference finals in a row, two finals in a row... if one day I can't continue, so be it".

Thanks as always for the translation, Nono.

It all makes a whole lot of sense, to me. If he is healed by July 25th he will play for his national team. If not, he won't.

It seems to be difficult for some folks herein to understand what playing for his national team means to Manu. They were the first (and to date only) Olympic team to win an Olympic gold medal in basketball subsequent to the U.S. having professional players play in the Olympics. It was so huge at the time, and the following year he was named Athlete of the Year in Argentina, IIRC (it was that year, wasn't it?), an honor normally reserved for futbol players.

Playing basketball for one's national team seems to mean more to the international players than it does to U.S. players, and I'm not sure if that says more about our players or theirs.

[bigfan]

He has paid his dues, if he wants to play, so be it.

[Skull-1]

Does Tonya Harding do contract work?

:lol

[Skull-1]

Pretty dumb if he chooses to still play.

Just let him sacrifice the ceremonial goat at halfcourt or whatever it is that they do down there tbh.

:lol

[Skull-1]

Wow, he's really coming off as a douche. :lol

"Argentina wants me to play on a broken leg, but I'm so blindly patriotic for my 3rd world country that I love them for it." :cry

"The Spurs don't want me to play on a broken leg and just want me to relax, they're really pissing me off." :madrun

Holy fuck, it just defies logic. :lol

:lol

[spurs10]

Thanks as always for the translation, Nono. It all makes a whole lot of sense, to me. If he is healed by July 25th he will play for his national team. If not, he won't. It seems to be difficult for some folks herein to understand what playing for his national team means to Manu. They were the first (and to date only) Olympic team to win an Olympic gold medal in basketball subsequent to the U.S. having professional players play in the Olympics. It was so huge at the time, and the following year he was named Athlete of the Year in Argentina, IIRC (it was that year, wasn't it?), an honor normally reserved for futbol players. Playing basketball for one's national team seems to mean more to the international players than it does to U.S. players, and I'm not sure if that says more about our players or theirs. Yes it does make sense. "If I'm not healthy I won't play." Not a lot of ways to argue with this.

[urunobili]

He has paid his dues, if he wants to play, so be it.

[Gummi Clutch]

Wow, he's really coming off as a douche. :lol

"Argentina wants me to play on a broken leg, but I'm so blindly patriotic for my 3rd world country that I love them for it." :cry

"The Spurs don't want me to play on a broken leg and just want me to relax, they're really pissing me off." :madrun

Holy fuck, it just defies logic. :lolwhich team pays him $$$$$$. Manu would be smart to know who puts food on the table.

[spurs10]

You hear the money argument a lot, but money has little or nothing to do with it unless he plays injured. If he's healthy and gets injured then it's just life. The plane could have crashed, he could take a spill on his bike, life happens. He, Tim and Tony combined make less money than a guy who can't play at all. Of course, the more rest the better, but we are talking two weeks of playing here if he's healthy.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Wow, he's really coming off as a douche. :lol

"Argentina wants me to play on a broken leg, but I'm so blindly patriotic for my 3rd world country that I love them for it." :cry

"The Spurs don't want me to play on a broken leg and just want me to relax, they're really pissing me off." :madrun

Holy fuck, it just defies logic. :lol

Not exactly. He did play for us on a broken leg, and brought us home 5. I'll be forever grateful for that. But, Argentina isn't winning the tournament, he's 37, just let go. But, that competitive spirit is what makes him Manu.

[DMC]

So much for being "in disguise" if everyone here sees it.

[baseline bum]

which team pays him $$$$$$. Manu would be smart to know who puts food on the table.

He has always played for less than market value though. I mean he makes $667,000 more than scrub-ass Jodie Meeks. If he went out and demanded huge paydays I'd be 100% with you, but he has left a lot of money on the table his entire career that he could have easily gotten elsewhere.

[RD2191]

He has always played for less than market value though. I mean he makes $667,000 more than scrub-ass Jodie Meeks. If he went out and demanded huge paydays I'd be 100% with you, but he has left a lot of money on the table his entire career that he could have easily gotten elsewhere.
He has always been injury prone. The Spurs have taken care of him and have been more than fair.

[baseline bum]

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Hope so

[littlecoyotecoin]

Tbh, it will be just one more year. He'll sit out 2014/2015 so that he can play 2015/2016.

[ElNono]

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[baseline bum]

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[HI-FI]

http://i62.tinypic.com/2nhddav.gif

:lmao

it would be cool if Manu sticks around a bit after duncan, especially if he cools off on the intl shit.

[baseline bum]

:lmao

it would be cool if Manu sticks around a bit after duncan, especially if he cools off on the intl shit.

No, I want two years of Duncan too

[ElNono]

yeah, both would be nice...

[Knoxxx]

After Manu rests for the 5 weeks or whatever, if he can play the FIBA maybe that will be a good way for him to get back in shape for the season. I am sure with our depth he will get plenty of chances to rest during the season and play highly effective limited minutes.

This guys is nuts let him have his fun. He toned down the stupid high turnover risk passing and proved to have plenty left in the tank. Often when put him in he'd go for a point a minute or better not to mention the passing, rebounding, and nasty defense.

Enjoy the ride while it lasts and let's hope he's wearing the silver and black until age 40 along with the rest of the big 3!

Viva la tres grande!

[HI-FI]

No, I want two years of Duncan too
obviously. Duncan leaving is going to be the toughest for me, next will be Pop. It would be cool though if they don't retire at the same time, so they can stagger the HOF appearances. Though having them inducted at the same time would be unique as well. I just think Duncan leaves after this year, but I'm sure they'll all play it by ear.

[baseline bum]

obviously. Duncan leaving is going to be the toughest for me, next will be Pop. It would be cool though if they don't retire at the same time, so they can stagger the HOF appearances. Though having them inducted at the same time would be unique as well. I just think Duncan leaves after this year, but I'm sure they'll all play it by ear.

I don't know man. Everything I hear about Tim makes me think he'll play into his early forties. Coming off of two really strong seasons I don't think it sounds unreasonable.

[HI-FI]

I don't know man. Everything I hear about Tim makes me think he'll play into his early forties. Coming off of two really strong seasons I don't think it sounds unreasonable.
it's certainly possible, i wouldnt know either way. after the Finals, he seemed like he wanted to see where this team could go with an ascendent Kawhi. the team has never been as dynamic and diverse like this before. I think he'll assess it each season, base it on his health and children imo.

[Russ]

No, I want two years of Duncan too

Hell yes. Duncan and Manu are both aging backwards.

It's your worst nightmare, Adam. :)

[Beaverfuzz]

gets the summer off, smart move Manu.

[Mel_13]

Argentina's sports media packed the room for Manu's press conference yesterday:

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10410733_10152133404516981_101648112876856716_n.jp g

[Mugen]

Bet 3/4s of those dudes are related to Nono.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Argentina's sports media packed the room for Manu's press conference yesterday:

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10410733_10152133404516981_101648112876856716_n.jp g

So under-appreciated, even at home.

[boutons_deux]

So under-appreciated, even at home.

It was 4th of July :)

[smeagol]

He has always been injury prone. The Spurs have taken care of him and have been more than fair.

He gave you four rings . . . mamala Mexicano pelotudo!

[BackHome]

If him staying make Timmy stay then I am more then happy to bring him back.

[Johnny RIngo]

Argentina's sports media packed the room for Manu's press conference yesterday:

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10410733_10152133404516981_101648112876856716_n.jp g

lol room is half empty

[Johnny RIngo]

So under-appreciated, even at home.

Which is why he shouldn't bother playing for the Argentine NT. Nobody gives a shit about basketball over there. No sense sacrificing your body for a fanbase that doesn't exist.

[Ice009]

Wow, that media room is pathetic. Is that normal in Argentina or is basketball just not that popular?

[RD2191]

He gave you four rings . . . mamala Mexicano pelotudo!
:lmaoTim and Pop gave us 4 rings. Have a nice day, mestizo.

[RD2191]

Argentina's sports media packed the room for Manu's press conference yesterday:

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10410733_10152133404516981_101648112876856716_n.jp g
WTF Nono, at least hire some folks to fill the place up.

[exstatic]

Wow, that media room is pathetic. Is that normal in Argentina or is basketball just not that popular?

I would just say they're not all that interested in the Spurs, which is why they clamor for Manu to play NT ball at the expense of his job.

[RD2191]

:lol3rd world countries. Would rather watch some 5'7 midgets run around a field than a chance to interview and talk to one of the greatest athletes/basketball players of all time.

[xmas1997]

:lol3rd world countries. Would rather watch some 5'7 midgets run around a field than a chance to interview and talk to one of the greatest athletes/basketball players of all time.

Plus he had the trophy with him!
Go figure!
They need to get their priorities straight!
:lol

[RD2191]

Plus he had the trophy with him!
Go figure!
They need to get their priorities straight!
:lol
:lolThey really do.

[ElNono]

Bet 3/4s of those dudes are related to Nono.


WTF Nono, at least hire some folks to fill the place up.

half of them were probably waiting for their flights... :lol

[smeagol]

:lmaoTim and Pop gave us 4 rings. Have a nice day, mestizo.

Tim, Pop, Tony and Manu gave you four rings, fucking wetback . . .

[baseline bum]

WTF Nono, at least hire some folks to fill the place up.

With Argentine hyperinflation you can't really hire people to work the end of the week knowing the currency is taking an enormous plunge on Monday morning tbh.

[RD2191]

With Argentine hyperinflation you can't really hire people to work the end of the week knowing the currency is taking an enormous plunge on Monday morning tbh.
:lol

[ElNono]

With Argentine hyperinflation you can't really hire people to work the end of the week knowing the currency is taking an enormous plunge on Monday morning tbh.

:lol you're not kidding, IIRC, Argentina is about to default on it's debt around the end of the month... meanwhile, nobody gives a shit since the soccer team is playing...

[Mikeanaro]

With Argentine hyperinflation you can't really hire people to work the end of the week knowing the currency is taking an enormous plunge on Monday morning tbh.
Not if you pay in dollars, you can hire an army right now if you give people the green paper.

[baseline bum]

:lol you're not kidding, IIRC, Argentina is about to default on it's debt around the end of the month... meanwhile, nobody gives a shit since the soccer team is playing...

So if Brazil beats them in the Final it will be like 6 times 1,000? And then 6 times 1,000,000 the next morning?

[ElNono]

So if Brazil beats them in the Final it will be like 6 times 1,000? And then 6 times 1,000,000 the next morning?

yeah, you can probably add 20-30 peeps dead after looting and riots...

[SupremeGuy]

With Argentine hyperinflation you can't really hire people to work the end of the week knowing the currency is taking an enormous plunge on Monday morning tbh.Damn, reality bombs. :lol

[Splits]

486305575479693312

Take a hint, Gino. Are you going to let Chimpy outsmart you?

[SupremeGuy]

Damn, even Westchimp is fucking outsmarting Manu. :lol He's truly fucking retarded if he plays, tbh.

[Skull-1]

lol room is half empty


That's cuz they all ran up to the US border to get in since Obama isn't deporting them any more. "I got a golden ticket!"

[Skull-1]

:lmaoTim and Pop gave us 4 rings. Have a nice day, mestizo.


:lol

He can't contact you right now. He is swimming the river for Obama's amnesty...

[Skull-1]

With Argentine hyperinflation you can't really hire people to work the end of the week knowing the currency is taking an enormous plunge on Monday morning tbh.

:lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:lol you're not kidding, IIRC, Argentina is about to default on it's debt around the end of the month... meanwhile, nobody gives a shit since the soccer team is playing...

I decided to read up on this, and would you believe it is predatory vulture capital funds?

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/24404447/argentina-readies-talks-with-mediator-over-debt-default/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_debt_restructuring

What a fucking world... :depressed

[spurraider21]

:cry predatory

:lol irresponsible
:lol non-accountability

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:cry predatory

:lol irresponsible
:lol non-accountability

Actually, if you read the background the predatory funds are behaving like arseholes.

[T Park]

:cry predatory

:lol irresponsible
:lol non-accountability

Yeah heaven forbid....

[spurraider21]

:cry the system is out to get them

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Get ready for lots of Belli in the regular season should Manu decide to give FIBA a run.

[Mel_13]

Where'd everybody go?

[ducks]

jeff McDonald treated spurs have the right to say he can not go due to injury or could cause further damage
it is not against the nba rules. if he is hurt

[SupremeGuy]

jeff McDonald treated spurs have the right to say he can not go due to injury or could cause further damage
it is not against the nba rules. It is if he is not hurt.Yeah, saw that too. I hope the Spurs chime in and let Manu know that playing on a broken leg for a third world country is a fucking stupid decision.

[Ice009]

jeff McDonald treated spurs have the right to say he can not go due to injury or could cause further damage
it is not against the nba rules. It is if he is not hurt.

Oh, didn't know that you could do that. If the rules allow the Spurs to step in, then they need to definitely step in and say "no fucking way" are you playing on a fractured leg that hasn't fully healed.

[Bill_Brasky]

Manu is like jordan to the argies, but dude......why the FUCK would you play on a broken leg?

[Pocho La Pantera]

Yeah, saw that too. I hope the Spurs chime in and let Manu know that playing on a broken leg for a third world country is a fucking stupid decision.
And for a first world country? Is that ok with you??

[diego]

Manu is like jordan to the argies, but dude......why the FUCK would you play on a broken leg?

Same reason he played on a broken leg for the spurs. (As well as a broken arm and a broken nose)

Hint: it has nothing to do with money.

[Bill_Brasky]

Same reason he played on a broken leg for the spurs. (As well as a broken arm and a broken nose)

Hint: it has nothing to do with money.

He didnt know it was broken until after the finals.

[Ice009]

Same reason he played on a broken leg for the spurs. (As well as a broken arm and a broken nose)

Hint: it has nothing to do with money.

Good point, and point taken. Not sure if they knew either injury was a fracture though, did they? Possibly the fractured arm, but I don't think they knew about the leg.

I probably still would have wanted him to play if he could (without making it worse) and wanted to.

[Bill_Brasky]

Broken leg isnt even comparable to a nose or arm anyway. Remember that kid for Louisville that fucked his leg up in the tourney? yeah that was likely a hairline fracture that finally split in half when he landed on it with enough force.

You need your legs to do literally everything in this game.

[Skull-1]

Yeah, saw that too. I hope the Spurs chime in and let Manu know that playing on a broken leg for a third world country is a fucking stupid decision.

[InRareForm]

blessing in disguise i think

[DPG21920]

If the rule about injury enabling Spurs to force Manu to sit is true it's time for the Spurs to hire Shelly Sterling-esque doctors & flex dat muscle tbh..

[ElNono]

Quotes from an interview with a radio station in Bahia Blanca:

"It doesn't hurt. I'm optimist, but I have my doubts and fears. I feel the injury is definitely better. When the season ended I couldn't touch that area without feeling pain, now there's no pain to the touch"

"Now we have to wait until they take a look inside (referring to the studies he's going to have done on August 1st), see how's the bone, if it soldered, healed. Then we'll know if I'm better or if I have to shut it down. If I'm better, I'll start training slowly and ramp it up to avoid the impact".

"We'll see if 35 days are enough. I think it is because it's a reasonable amount of time. It's not an open fracture or a big fracture, it's a fairly small stress fracture".

"The Spurs definitely did not want me to go to the World Championship because I was injured. That's what the doctor said, but he's the team doctor, so it's obvious which interest is more prevalent for him. When I spoke with Pop he understood and he appealed to my honesty. I guaranteed to him that if I was in pain I was not going to play. That's what we agreed".

http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1711830-manu-ginobili-no-me-duele-soy-optimista-pero-tengo-dudas-tengo-temores

[TheGreatYacht]

He's gonna play. You can see it a mile away...

[SupremeGuy]

Hopefully the Spurs enforce injury rule, tbh.

[scanry]

He's 37 years old and yet he still wants to play in the WC. He should worry more about his next contract with the Spurs tbh. It looks like he can play another season or two after next year.

[Dex]

He's gonna play. You can see it a mile away...

[DPG21920]

He's 37 years old and yet he still wants to play in the WC. He should worry more about his next contract with the Spurs tbh. It looks like he can play another season or two after next year.

What he is doing is not indicative of someone who thinks he will be playing past his current contract. Firstly, it's just extra miles and feels like a last hurrah-type moment. Secondly, as he said, it's against the Spurs wishes which probably won't bode too well (although I don't think it has a major impact on anything unless he has an injury-riddled season or seriously hurts himself during WC play).

He's doing what he wants, as he always has (within his rights) and it doesn't seem to me he will last past his current contract, but that's just my opinion.

[siraulo23]

God damn it manu

[024]

I don't understand why he is so insistent on playing. Manu is being terribly unreasonable and even trying to attack the credibility of the team doctor. Wtf?

[100%duncan]

Hard to defend Manu in times like these tbh.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

he is playing and saying the Spurs are bias against it, he will play like ass for at least the first half of next season

[Spur|n|Austin]

Pretty frustrating...

[DAF86]

You guys will never get it, tbh. Don't try to reason it.

[slick'81]

This is what Manu has always done and like others have said he's acting like this is his last season .

[Kindergarten Cop]

I completely understand what Manu is doing and why he wishes to represent his country. Selfishly, I don't want him to play this summer and I wish that he would rest/recover so that he will be fully healthy for the upcoming NBA season - but from a patriotic standpoint, I applaud what he is doing. I agree with DPG when he says that it appears that Manu doesn't appear to want to play beyond his current contract. Perhaps he views this summer's cup as a "last hurrah" for Argentina as well as this season being his final in the NBA - and he doesn't want to miss this opportunity.

His comments about the Spurs team doctor(s) are factual - they are indeed employed by the team and do (and should) have the team's best interests in mind when making all diagnoses. He wasn't necessarily calling them out or saying that their assessments were incorrect, only that they were biased and would obviously always err on the side of caution on behalf of the team.

Again, I hope that he doesn't play this summer (and I honestly feel that he won't if he feels that it will jeopardize his season with the Spurs) but I understand if he does.

[ducks]

he is one idiot they must not teach common sense over there


nice stab at the spurs training staff that keeps you healthy
jackass

maybe the spurs should trade him to the bucks

spurs pay him excess of 100 million and he makes a stabb at their training staff and say they are bias and acting after their invest only
what a complete asshole

he cost the spurs another title or home court advantage :ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit

[letmk]

Let's put the Spurs aside for a while. If I were him, I would want to play in 2016 Olympics, which is close to home and Argentina have a shot at medals (if not gold medals) like their soccer team in the World Cup.

So I would rest my body for this summer, finish the current contract with the Spurs, sign another 1-year deal, and then retire after the Olympics. That would be a perfect farewell to a splendid career.

[Kool Bob Love]

http://youtu.be/oZ5YA7mQm8g

[Uriel]

As if it weren't bad enough Manu's going to be playing in the World Cup, he's now also going to be playing injured. It really isn't an exaggeration to say his decision could be the difference between repeating or not.

A healthy Manu will make the Spurs the odds-on favourite to win the 2015 championship. A non-healthy Manu will seriously derail our prospects.

[dabom]

He is also depriving the Spurs players and coaching staff of a healthy manu. I can't say more.

[Clipper Nation]

Turnobili is back.... how will ElNono :downspin: dat shit this season? :lol

[BillMc]

The guy loves his country, representing his country, and the bonds he's made with the other players on his national team. Yes, its probably better for the Spurs if he doesn't play. No one can argue about the risks at his age, especially if he already has an injury. But if you're a true fan of Manu, you understand the passions that drive him. I wish him luck and good health.

As a practical matter I think Pop should shut Manu down for the first month of the NBA season to make him have a rest. It'll be a little tough without Manu and Patty, but we can see what Marco and CoJo really have to offer. Our team is deep enough we'll be okay until they return. What I'd not like to see is have an exhausted Manu continue into March and then rest him as Pop did Tony. Get it over with.

The more likely option is Pop will delay Manu's rest until Patty returns so our bench has the services of at least one of them the whole season.

[TE]

If Manu plays extensive minutes, I wouldn't bring back on a regular basis until near the All Star break.

however, I don't think he'll get a lot of minutes. If he does, son of a bitch.

[DesignatedT]

Him wanting to play is one thing. We might not ever understand that aspect of it. It obviously means the world to him and even though that's frustrating, it's understandable.

Calling out the spurs training staff and doctors is another thing. It would be better off to just be mute on that subject instead of insinuating that there is some huge conspiracy going on between the spurs medical staff. These guys care about Manu just as much as anyone and talking about them in this manner is pretty disrespectful tbh. smh Manu.

[Skull-1]

Smh. Smh. Smh.

[skulls138]

I cant be too mad at him, I got what I wished for, another championship, and Manu loves his country. Not going to stress over it.

[EVAY]

The first line of the interview quotes Manu saying "it doesn't hurt". The last line of the interview quotes him saying that he and Pop agreed that if he honestly didn't hurt, that he would play.

I think that says it all.

[lil'mo]

Ginobili is a dumb ass when it comes to his health and seriously overestimates his body's capabilities. We know this. Has been going on for 12 years now.

[Budkin]

Manu... seriously....

[SupremeGuy]

Come on Spurs, enforce the injury rule. He has to reevaluated by the Spurs before he can play right?

[benefactor]

he cost the spurs another title or home court advantage :ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit

:cry I'm not fat enough feed me more trophies :cry

[dabom]

I want Tim with 6 rings. Top 5 player all time if he can get that.

[skulls138]

Argentina's probably saying the same things as SF if he doesnt play. Basically he has two fan bases to please and after he retires hell probably be in Argentina.

[exstatic]

Argentina's probably saying the same things as SF if he doesnt play. Basically he has two fan bases to please and after he retires hell probably be in Argentina.
I'm usually not happy when he plays anyway, but if he plays with a stress fracture, I'll be really pissed, Argy fanbase or no Argy fanbase.

[SupremeGuy]

Argentina's probably saying the same things as SF if he doesnt play. Basically he has two fan bases to please and after he retires hell probably be in Argentina.If he's getting pressure from his 3rd world fans to play on a fucking broken leg, then he needs to grow a pair and tell those 3rd world bastards to go fuck themselves, tbh.

[Bill_Brasky]

Spurs need to step in.

[ElNono]

Calling out the spurs training staff and doctors is another thing. It would be better off to just be mute on that subject instead of insinuating that there is some huge conspiracy going on between the spurs medical staff. These guys care about Manu just as much as anyone and talking about them in this manner is pretty disrespectful tbh. smh Manu.

I don't think he's "insinuating" any "conspiracy", he's actually being pretty straight forward about it: The team doctor gets paid by the team to keep the team's interests front and center. There's nothing controversial about that. The doctor isn't going to put his job on the line by prioritizing a perhaps risky or rushed recovery to play for another team. Conversely, he was probably cleared to play injured during the Finals, for obvious reasons.

At any rate, I'm also pretty sure the Spurs will get a copy of whatever studies he gets done August 1st, and they're going to talk about that before making any decisions.

[ElNono]

Turnobili is back.... how will ElNono :downspin: dat shit this season? :lol

:lol He can probably beat the Clips in one leg tho, not sure how this is any better news for you :downspin:

[Clipper Nation]

:lol He can probably beat the Clips in one leg tho, not sure how this is any better news for you :downspin:
Will he turn it over less than 8 times per game? :downspin:

[ElNono]

Will he turn it over less than 8 times per game? :downspin:

He'll turn it over less times than Choke Paul :downspin:

We're coming for :lobt2: #6...

[DesignatedT]

I don't think he's "insinuating" any "conspiracy", he's actually being pretty straight forward about it: The team doctor gets paid by the team to keep the team's interests front and center. There's nothing controversial about that. The doctor isn't going to put his job on the line by prioritizing a perhaps risky or rushed recovery to play for another team. Conversely, he was probably cleared to play injured during the Finals, for obvious reasons.

At any rate, I'm also pretty sure the Spurs will get a copy of whatever studies he gets done August 1st, and they're going to talk about that before making any decisions.

Still, broadcasting your distrust in the Spurs medical staff isn't the right way to handle it.

[Clipper Nation]

He'll turn it over less times than Choke Paul :downspin:

That'll be a hard-fought battle, tbh :lol

[ElNono]

Still, broadcasting your distrust in the Spurs medical staff isn't the right way to handle it.

Has nothing to do with trust. He's played 12 years for the team, he obviously trusts the staff. He also understands the team doctor will put the team interests over his every time. There's nothing controversial about that, Manu was just answering sincerely like he always does.

The way to handle it is what he did: get a second opinion from an independent doctor that's not tied to either the team or the NT, so there's no second-guessing.

[ElNono]

That'll be a hard-fought battle, tbh :lol

It really won't be :downspin:

:lol

[dabom]

Both doctors said he was injured. How is that misleading?

[Clipper Nation]

It really won't be :downspin:

:lol
True, Client will be gunning hard for those turnover bonuses you snuck into his contract :lol

[DAF86]

For those of you who want to understand Manu try this:

Don't think of International play as something lesser than the NBA, think of it as of equal or even bigger importance. Then take into consideration the World cup is played every 4 years and that is pretty surely the last one you can play. Wouldn't you do everything you can to play?

[ElNono]

Both doctors said he was injured. How is that misleading?

It's not about the injury, but about recovery time. The Spurs doctor told him to shut it down for the summer, the other doctor said "let's take a look in 30 days".

So they're going to take a look in 30 days, and see where the injury is at. If he's still hurt, he won't play. If the team feels he's still injured after the studies, they can step in an shut him down if he doesn't do it voluntarily.

[ElNono]

True, Client will be gunning hard for those turnover bonuses you snuck into his contract :lol

:lol Client is the defending champ. If there's anybody that has something to prove, it's Choke Paul... 3rd round virgin :downspin:

[dabom]

It's not about the injury, but about recovery time. The Spurs doctor told him to shut it down for the summer, the other doctor said "let's take a look in 30 days".

So they're going to take a look in 30 days, and see where the injury is at. If he's still hurt, he won't play. If the team feels he's still injured after the studies, they can step in an shut him down if he doesn't do it voluntarily.

Must be talking to that derrick rose doctor. Maybe the SA doctor is better, because he knows Manu is a high risk for injury if he will be barely healed in time for international ball and then the regular season and then the playoffs.
Maybe he took an informed decision. I believe all professions take ethical oaths such as engineers and doctors that say the work or opinion should not be influenced by other parties or interests. The doctors first job is to take car of Manu. Anything else is just hearsay.

[dabom]

For those of you who want to understand Manu try this:

Don't think of International play as something lesser than the NBA, think of it as of equal or even bigger importance. Then take into consideration the World cup is played every 4 years and that is pretty surely the last one you can play. Wouldn't you do everything you can to play?

Winning the World Cup is bigger than any football club accomplishment.
Winning the NBA Finals is bigger than any basketball country accomplishment.
Do people not understand this?

[DAF86]

Winning the World Cup is bigger than any football club accomplishment.
Winning the NBA Finals is bigger than any basketball country accomplishment.
Do people not understand this?

Well, that's the case for you not for everybody. Go ask Manu how his gold medal compares to an NBA ring.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Winning the World Cup is bigger than any football club accomplishment.
Winning the NBA Finals is bigger than any basketball country accomplishment.
Do people not understand this?

^ Bullshit.

[dabom]

^ Bullshit.

:lobt2:

[RD2191]

Winning the World Cup is bigger than any football club accomplishment.
Winning the NBA Finals is bigger than any basketball country accomplishment.
Do people not understand this?

[ducks]

I am not happy he is playing playing injured is another thing all together
tp has said when he is older he will not play
manu is old should rest
I know playing is big deal

[dbreiden83080]

Well, that's the case for you not for everybody. Go ask Manu how his gold medal compares to an NBA ring.

He's got a gold medal.. You are 37 years old enough is enough.. If he was healthy fine but he isn't...

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

I hope he's just posturing.

[RD2191]

Well, that's the case for you not for everybody. Go ask Manu how his gold medal compares to an NBA ring.
Who cares? We're Spurs fans, not Manu fans. Can't wait til he retires so all his faggy fans can go with him.

[DAF86]

He's got a gold medal.. You are 37 years old enough is enough.. If he was healthy fine but he isn't...

That's like saying: "He's got 4 rings... You are 37 years old enough is enough.. If he was healthy fine but he isn't...

[DAF86]

Who cares? We're Spurs fans, not Manu fans. Can't wait til he retires so all his faggy fans can go with him.

Don't get mad at me bro. I'm just trying to make you undestard how he might feel. :lol

[RD2191]

Don't get mad at me bro. I'm just trying to make you undestard how he might feel. :lol
I understand, but he should be a little more appreciative to the Spurs who took care of him with his last contract.

[DAF86]

I understand, but he should be a little more appreciative to the Spurs who took care of him with his last contract.

tbf, he gives his all when playing for the Spurs. He just likes playing for his NT too.

[spurraider21]

http://youtu.be/oZ5YA7mQm8g
game 5 of last year's finals and this year's finals were both incredible by manu

[dabom]

I love when Manu plays great.

[ElNono]

Must be talking to that derrick rose doctor. Maybe the SA doctor is better, because he knows Manu is a high risk for injury if he will be barely healed in time for international ball and then the regular season and then the playoffs.
Maybe he took an informed decision. I believe all professions take ethical oaths such as engineers and doctors that say the work or opinion should not be influenced by other parties or interests. The doctors first job is to take car of Manu. Anything else is just hearsay.

Both doctors agree that there's an injury. What's the best course of action to tackle it is largely the professional's best guess at the time, and has nothing to do with ethics.

People get second opinions and differing prognosis all the time, don't think there's a breach of the ethical oath when that happens at all. On the other hand, defensive medicine is a well known subject, especially in the US, so it's pretty naive to say doctors don't include factors such as covering their own asses when looking at patients.

Manu isn't saying the Spurs doctors are acting in bad faith. He's saying the team doctors will likely lean to being conservative towards what's best for the team. It's logical. If the team doctor clears him and he re-aggravates the fracture in the Worlds, the finger is going to be pointing to the team doctor.

Ultimately, even if Manu believes the Spurs staff 100%, you will have certain media questioning if it's not a smoke screen from the team. To avoid such suspicions, going to an independent doctor gets rid of any doubts.

[ElNono]

FWIW, I'm on the boat he shouldn't play. Don't think he has anything left to prove with the NT. He obviously enjoys playing with them tho.

[xmas1997]

I am also of the opinion that he should rest instead of play.

As for the few on here who criticize and blame Manu for being the sole reason the Spurs did not win last year, from what I am seeing and hearing, that is pretty much localized to being a ST phenomenon.
I know a hell of a lot of Spurs fans outside this site and 100% of them without a single exception think it is the epitome of stupidity to blame Manu for last year.
In fact no one even considers it because they either watched the games on TV or were at the games.
And when I mention that a few on ST blame him, they think I am crazy for even suggesting it.



EDIT: This opinion about Manu last year is not only shared by three other local exellent basketball coaches, but also by retired former St. Marys Univ. head basketball coach Buddy Meyer who was recently inducted into the NAIA Hall of Fame.

[dbreiden83080]

That's like saying: "He's got 4 rings... You are 37 years old enough is enough.. If he was healthy fine but he isn't...

Just tell Manu he'd lose all his money next year if he played and watch how fast he drops out..

[HI-FI]

if Manu pulls a Kevin Ware for his shitty national team, can't wait to hear the :downspin:from Manutards.

[marinoman]

Man, you guys are some haters. I dont want him to play either but I understand his drive. Some people (from other countries) value a gold medal more than or close to equal to a nba title.
Plus a lot of you said last year and much of this year, he sux and is finished. So why do you care?

[DAF86]

Just tell Manu he'd lose all his money next year if he played and watch how fast he drops out..

Seeing how that's legally impossible I don't see why Manu should do that, tbh. :lol

[dabom]

Reading PTR and it seems like he is going to play. lol

:bang

[manufan10]

Before the fracture I was fine with him playing, and I understood it. I still understand him wanting to play, but with an injury you would think he would want to rest. However, this could just be Manu posturing himself to make it appear like he's trying his hardest to play with the NT, when in reality, he doesn't have any intention to play now.

[dabom]

Can I get any Argentinians view on what the arg media say's about all this?
Just wondering on what they are saying down there.

[Baam]

Manu is underpaid so he can do whatever he wants tbh... On the other hand if someone like Tiago gets injured this summer it makes his bad contract even worse...

TP getting 12M the past 2 years and Manu getting 7M is basically the reason why the Spurs were in the Finals, they earned the right to do whatever they want during summer, they basically paid for it by leaving money on the table...

Now if Kawhi wants the max he better make some compromises about international play as it seems to already be his stance...

[baseline bum]

I'm fine with it if Ginobili wants to play. After winning this title anything else is gravy.

[ElNono]

Can I get any Argentinians view on what the arg media say's about all this?
Just wondering on what they are saying down there.

Not much right now. The quotes I translated earlier were from an ARG newspaper, and they're all basically waiting for a decision after the studies on August 1st...

[dabom]

Not much right now. The quotes I translated earlier were from an ARG newspaper, and they're all basically waiting for a decision after the studies on August 1st...

Cool.

[Bill_Brasky]

That's like saying: "He's got 4 rings... You are 37 years old enough is enough.. If he was healthy fine but he isn't...

Hes under contract with the Spurs.....thats the difference.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Can I get any Argentinians view on what the arg media say's about all this?
Just wondering on what they are saying down there.

Arg media wants to know what type of Futbol is basketball.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

The guy is 36 with a history of major issues getting through the NBA season when he plays in the off-season, and a fractured leg! I wish Manu would just do the sensible thing and retire from international play. Surely his roster spot should be going to a youngster anyway?

On the flip side, I can see why he'd want to play for his country one last time. I just wish he wouldn't.

[ElNono]

An update on this, apparently the studies are going to be this Friday? This is from an interview with the ARG NT coach Julio Lamas:

Q: Beyond of what Ginobili said about his injury, does the studies on the 25th are the final word or can he start working minimally and wait for an improvement in his condition?

Lamas: I can't tell you what's going to happen, we have to wait for the studies on the 25th. Then we'll see. If he's healthy, he'll play, if he's not healthy, he won't play. The studies he's having done that day will be sent to San Antonio and we're also going to have copy, so we'll see then.

http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1712263-julio-lamas-si-manu-esta-sano-juega-si-no-no-juega

[gilmor]

Messi wants Manu to play.. cos he lost the World Cup..

[TMTTRIO]

I wish Manu would just do the sensible thing and retire from international play. Surely his roster spot should be going to a youngster anyway?

Maybe it puts more pressure on Manu to play because there's not a lot of talent behind him on the team. I have a feeling that if there was, Manu might not as persuaded to play this year especially since he has a new baby to enjoy too. Unlike other national teams that have some star players and are up and coming teams there's not much left for Argentina after Manu retires. I know that's why he's said he wants to develop some players over there when he's done. I know I don't like him playing but I guess I understand the crossroads he's at. I just hope for the best. Besides I love how people continue to act like he's the most important player on this team when he's not. He's a role player now and we have plenty of other players who are just as important or even more now like Kawhi. As we found out during the season we can still win without him which can be great.

[urunobili]

Argie NT players threatening not to go to the WC if they don't get answers from the federation about the two previous administrations that cashed in (corruption by the former administration people) on their success and things haven't changed in more than 10 years...

Nocioni on the subject:

http://www.ole.com.ar/basquet/titulo_0_1180082106.html

[Captivus]

The problem with the Argentina NT is the same problem the country has. No long term plans. Coaches scared of losing one game and getting fired.
Easy solution: Call Manu...if we lose..well...it happens. If you dont call him, and then you lose, you are probably fired.
No long term plans..no experience for young players, nothing.
The NT is part of the so called Golden Generation, that includes Basketball, Volleyball, Women Hockey, Rugby...and...idk.
This exists only because there is no infrastructure in Argentina. The only way to win is to have GODs help...and that is the Golden Generation. A lot of athlets of the same generation that excel in many sports...GOD!. No plans...no organization...no hard work...nothing. In other words...Argentina.

IMO, he shouldnt play. Sports people want him to, because it will be his last Cup...they said the same thing last time.

[skulls138]

Man, you guys are some haters. I dont want him to play either but I understand his drive. Some people (from other countries) value a gold medal more than or close to equal to a nba title.
Plus a lot of you said last year and much of this year, he sux and is finished. So why do you care?Good one.

[baseline bum]

An update on this, apparently the studies are going to be this Friday? This is from an interview with the ARG NT coach Julio Lamas:

Q: Beyond of what Ginobili said about his injury, does the studies on the 25th are the final word or can he start working minimally and wait for an improvement in his condition?

Lamas: I can't tell you what's going to happen, we have to wait for the studies on the 25th. Then we'll see. If he's healthy, he'll play, if he's not healthy, he won't play. The studies he's having done that day will be sent to San Antonio and we're also going to have copy, so we'll see then.

http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1712263-julio-lamas-si-manu-esta-sano-juega-si-no-no-juega

Hey ese, did Argentina default yet?

[Skull-1]

Ginobili is a dumb ass when it comes to his health and seriously overestimates his body's capabilities. We know this. Has been going on for 12 years now.


Well said.

[Skull-1]

Argentina's probably saying the same things as SF if he doesnt play. Basically he has two fan bases to please and after he retires hell probably be in Argentina.


Who pays the freight?

Argentina's pitifully small fan base doesn't come close to SAT's.

[Skull-1]

If he's getting pressure from his 3rd world fans to play on a fucking broken leg, then he needs to grow a pair and tell those 3rd world bastards to go fuck themselves, tbh.

Right on.

[Skull-1]

Winning the World Cup is bigger than any football club accomplishment.
Winning the NBA Finals is bigger than any basketball country accomplishment.
Do people not understand this?


Many don't, apparently.

[dabom]

Many don't, apparently.

:rollin

[ElNono]

Hey ese, did Argentina default yet?

August 1st last I heard

[DAF86]

Hes under contract with the Spurs.....thats the difference.

He still can do whatever he wants.

[024]

He still can do whatever he wants.
Just because I can be a total dick to my doctor, ignore his medical advice, and stuff churros down my throat every five minutes until I die of diabetes doesn't mean I should do it.

[DAF86]

Just because I can be a total dick to my doctor, ignore his medical advice, and stuff churros down my throat every five minutes until I die of diabetes doesn't mean I should do it.

Good thing Manu isn't doing any of those things, tbh.

[024]

Good thing Manu isn't doing any of those things, tbh.
He's not questioning the team doctor's credibility and not ignoring his advice to not play? Spurs fans have nothing to worry about then. Why is this thread 15 pages long?

[ElNono]

He's not questioning the team doctor's credibility and not ignoring his advice to not play? Spurs fans have nothing to worry about then. Why is this thread 15 pages long?

Because fans like to express their opinions. They really don't matter at all, but this is exactly the place where fans do that.

[DAF86]

He's not questioning the team doctor's credibility and not ignoring his advice to not play? Spurs fans have nothing to worry about then. Why is this thread 15 pages long?

Because you are some selfish fagotts than don't understand Manu's joy when playing with his NT. And no, he didn't question the Spurs' medical stuff. He made a true normal assessment that some folks want to take as a diss 'cause they are mad Manu wants to play on the summer.

[spurraider21]

Many don't, apparently.
manu has won 3 NBA titles since his last gold medal

[024]

Because you are some selfish fagotts than don't understand Manu's joy when playing with his NT. And no, he didn't question the Spurs' medical stuff. He made a true normal assessment that some folks want to take as a diss 'cause they are mad Manu wants to play on the summer.
:lol resorting to name calling when you know you can't logically defend Manu's position

I'll be the civil and logical one here. Manu can do what he pleases but he has an injury that can be tricky to heal. Both Jrue Holiday and Javale McGee had this injury in the regular season. Their doctors said it would probably take 2 months to heal. Turns out, they needed season ending surgeries. Embiid had a stress fracture that required surgery and now he's out for all of next season. This injury is no joke. Manu can play but he's taking a tremendous risk with consequences that would potentially greatly affect the Spurs next season. So everyone has the right to be concerned and try to convince him to not play. How can you be mad at people who want Manu to rest and heal up?

[ElNono]

I'll be the civil and logical one here. Manu can do what he pleases but he has an injury that can be tricky to heal. Both Jrue Holiday and Javale McGee had this injury in the regular season. Their doctors said it would probably take 2 months to heal. Turns out, they needed season ending surgeries. Embiid had a stress fracture that required surgery and now he's out for all of next season. This injury is no joke.

You do know Manu already had this injury, this isn't something unknown or new to him, right?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Hey ese, did Argentina default yet?

Says the guy from the country with a $14tn Federal government debt, not to mention private and financial sector debt of more than double that, and whose country has been printing money since GFC II. ;)

Debt smack is bullshit anyway - the whole world is up to its eyes in debt that will never be repaid, it's only a matter of when the system crashes (followed by a period of anarchy that could lead us into a modern Dark Age) and everything gets reset to 0. It has happened before and will happen again.

Read the backstory on Argentina's debt - yeah, they fucked up back in the early 2000s, and should never have pegged their debt to the USD, but the current "default" is a scam.

[gwidlon]

Shouldn’t we wait until Manu actually confirms that he will be playing for the NT with an injured leg before bitching?

[ElNono]

Shouldn’t we wait until Manu actually confirms that he will be playing for the NT with an injured leg before bitching?

Not really, no :lol

[baseline bum]

Says the guy from the country with a $14tn Federal government debt, not to mention private and financial sector debt of more than double that, and whose country has been printing money since GFC II. ;)

Debt smack is bullshit anyway - the whole world is up to its eyes in debt that will never be repaid, it's only a matter of when the system crashes (followed by a period of anarchy that could lead us into a modern Dark Age) and everything gets reset to 0. It has happened before and will happen again.

Read the backstory on Argentina's debt - yeah, they fucked up back in the early 2000s, and should never have pegged their debt to the USD, but the current "default" is a scam.

Your aussie ass must have me confused with someone who gives a fuck about his country tbh. The US is headed right back to its third world status of the Civil War to early 1930s era.

[TheGreatYacht]

he is one idiot they must not teach common sense over there


nice stab at the spurs training staff that keeps you healthy
jackass

maybe the spurs should trade him to the bucks

spurs pay him excess of 100 million and he makes a stabb at their training staff and say they are bias and acting after their invest only
what a complete asshole

he cost the spurs another title or home court advantage :ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit

[Kindergarten Cop]

I have an honest question for those that are criticizing Manu for wanting to play for his National team: Considering that this is an injury that occurred late in the Playoffs (with reports stating that it actually occurred BEFORE the Finals), would you have criticized him if he had decided to sit out and rest during the Finals - possibly costing the Spurs the Championship? If this is the case, why were those same team doctors okay with Ginobili playing through the pain for the Spurs - but not for his National team?

Again, selfishly I hope that Manu doesn't play this summer and comes into camp rested and ready - but I completely understand why he wants to play. But we cannot be hypocrites and want him to "suck it up" and play through injury when it pertains to the Spurs only to turn around and blast the guy when he (hypothetically) wants to do the same thing for his National team.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Your aussie ass must have me confused with someone who gives a fuck about his country tbh. The US is headed right back to its third world status of the Civil War to early 1930s era.

Indeed. Given that you live there I thought it might matter to you though.

Come live here instead. We are going to hell too, but at a slower pace with fewer guns. ;)

[baseline bum]

Indeed. Given that you live there I thought it might matter to you though.

Come live here instead. We are going to hell too, but at a slower pace with fewer guns. ;)

Well, you have high wages, but a fucking bottle of Coke costs $5 lol. If I was going in your neighborhood I'd go 1200 miles southeast to hang with the Kiwis instead though tbh.

[diego]

I have an honest question for those that are criticizing Manu for wanting to play for his National team: Considering that this is an injury that occurred late in the Playoffs (with reports stating that it actually occurred BEFORE the Finals), would you have criticized him if he had decided to sit out and rest during the Finals - possibly costing the Spurs the Championship? If this is the case, why were those same team doctors okay with Ginobili playing through the pain for the Spurs - but not for his National team?

Again, selfishly I hope that Manu doesn't play this summer and comes into camp rested and ready - but I completely understand why he wants to play. But we cannot be hypocrites and want him to "suck it up" and play through injury when it pertains to the Spurs only to turn around and blast the guy when he (hypothetically) wants to do the same thing for his National team.

its even more basic than that. manu has been playing ball since he was 3. hes a professional basketball player that likes to win basketball games. he wants to help his teammates even if hes hurt or if it means getting hurt and that attitude has served him well on all his teams. this is the last stand for the historical golden generation basketball team that manu lead to greatness. of course he wants to be there and play and anybody chastising him for that is an idiot who doesnt understand competition. everytime the spurs signed a contract with manu they knew he plays for his national team; pop has spoken recently about NT play by parker and diaw improving them for the spurs, turns out that professionals with more experience are better, its a crazy idea.

as he and the doctor and the argentina staff have said he will re evaluate when camp starts and if the doctors clear him he will play; not all stress fractures are the same thats why doctors have jobs. if you think the specialist manu hired is going to compromise her ethics to clear manu, or that she is inferior to the team doctors? well if the concern is ginobilis health why didnt the team doctors discover the fracture until the end of the season, when manu has said he felt the pain for 2 months, you could see him occasionally limp even pop joked about him missing the season but tests presumably by the team doctors never found anything so he kept playing, for the entire playoffs. surprisingly none of the internet doctors were able to see the danger of injured manu driving into traffic to help tim get 5, but apparently its a guaranteed injury now nevermind what the specialist says.

i can understand disagreeing with the highly unlikely hypothetical of manu playing without clearance from the independent doctor. more likely, he will do what the expert who treated him says. let internet doctors be internet doctors.
of course, the usual suspects that think the spurs are better without him or unimportant are the ones that get most bent out of shape at the prospect of manu missing the first half of the season. shock horror, a professional basketball player injured playing basketball!

[DAF86]

:lol resorting to name calling when you know you can't logically defend Manu's position

I'll be the civil and logical one here. Manu can do what he pleases but he has an injury that can be tricky to heal. Both Jrue Holiday and Javale McGee had this injury in the regular season. Their doctors said it would probably take 2 months to heal. Turns out, they needed season ending surgeries. Embiid had a stress fracture that required surgery and now he's out for all of next season. This injury is no joke. Manu can play but he's taking a tremendous risk with consequences that would potentially greatly affect the Spurs next season. So everyone has the right to be concerned and try to convince him to not play. How can you be mad at people who want Manu to rest and heal up?

I didn't name call anyone, that's just the way I talk. Just calling it how it is, tbh. And how am I not being logical? :lol It's Manu's life and he can do whatever he wants. The ilogical ones are those getting mad and talking bullshit because of Manu doing something he has every right to do.

Just to be clear I don't give a fuck whether he plays or not I just can't stand all the stupid fucks saying things like ":cry :madrun fuck Manu, he shouldn't do what he wants he should do what we want. :cry :madrun" like he owes you guys a fucking thing. :lol

[hater]

Well, you have high wages, but a fucking bottle of Coke costs $5 lol. If I was going in your neighborhood I'd go 1200 miles southeast to hang with the Kiwis instead though tbh.

In Sydney a small bottle of water at a 711 costs 9 kangaroo dollars. that's about 12 gringo dollars

Can you imagine how much an 8 ball costs??? My cartel makes mad money in that kangaroo country tbh :D

and no bro, in them Kiwi lands its ALMOST as expensive as Kangaroo land and the wages are about 40% less. Them Kiwitards are in more shit thatn both Kangaroos and Gringos :lmao :lol

[hater]

oh and Manu is an asshole btw

[Dizzle]

please Manu dont play PLEASE

[urunobili]

Scola (team Captain) referring about the threat from the entire team to withdraw from the tournament:

http://www.clarin.com/deportes/edicion-impresa/juego-Mundial-culpa-gestion-horrenda_0_1180682055.html

[dabom]

What exactly is going on with the whole Argentina team?

[urunobili]

What exactly is going on with the whole Argentina team?

The Argentina Basketball Federation has filed for bankruptcy and it has been discovered that the previous administration robbed lots of money... I mean LOTS

[dabom]

The Argentina Basketball Federation has filed for bankruptcy and it has been discovered that the previous administration robbed lots of money... I mean LOTS

WOW. That's bullshit. Anyone held accountable? I'm pretty sure they are still doing it even after some firings.

[ElNono]

WOW. That's bullshit. Anyone held accountable? I'm pretty sure they are still doing it even after some firings.

Apparently the players requested an audit of the confederation after finding out the scam of the previous administration and and they were laughed at.

They didn't take that kindly, and basically said they're not going to be accomplices to a shady situation, so if their demands for transparency are not met, they won't play.

I was just catching up with all this BS...

[dabom]

Apparently the players requested an audit of the confederation after finding out the scam of the previous administration and and they were laughed at.

They didn't take that kindly, and basically said they're not going to be accomplices to a shady situation, so if their demands for transparency are not met, they won't play.

I was just catching up with all this BS...

I guess Manu ain't playing.

:flag:

[SupremeGuy]

Says the guy from the country with a $14tn Federal government debt, not to mention private and financial sector debt of more than double that, and whose country has been printing money since GFC II. ;)

Debt smack is bullshit anyway - the whole world is up to its eyes in debt that will never be repaid, it's only a matter of when the system crashes (followed by a period of anarchy that could lead us into a modern Dark Age) and everything gets reset to 0. It has happened before and will happen again.

Read the backstory on Argentina's debt - yeah, they fucked up back in the early 2000s, and should never have pegged their debt to the USD, but the current "default" is a scam.Wishful anti-American thinking, tbh. We're not falling unless we keep electing faggot presidents that are more concerned about creating a few million dem votes than the massive amount of brown child prostitution/human trafficking trails that have been allowed to spring up because of their weakness in regards to the border.

[dabom]

Can we talk about the Spurs for fucks sake? TY in advance.

[spursmvp]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/07/25/argentine-doctor-optimistic-with-ginobilis-health-says-wc-fate-lies-with-spurs/

Argentina's national basketball team doctor Diego Grippo told media on Friday that the Spurs will have the final say as to whether or not Manu Ginobili plays in the 2014 FIBA World Cup.

[slick'81]

If spurs have final say he's not playing

[hater]

:lol this drama queen cannot make a decision on his own.

[jon123spurs]

Primer día de entrenamiento con la selección. Muy atípico, pero como siempre, muy contento de estar acá. Gracias a todos x el apoyo!
(https://twitter.com/manuginobili/status/492784825221521408)

First day of training with the national team. Very Atypical, but as always, very happy to be here. Thanks to all x support!

[jon123spurs]

So he is training with the team. Not sure the extent of the training but looks like he is gonna play. But who know the Spurs have the last word and might shut him down. Lets hope that happens.

[TMTTRIO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0KIxN4ADWg
starting at the 0:21 mark you can see Manu practicing. The sad thing is they don't really have a good Manu replacement on the team especially with Delfino not playing so even if Manu didn't want to play there's still a lot of pressure on him to do it.

[ElNono]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0KIxN4ADWg
starting at the 0:21 mark you can see Manu practicing. The sad thing is they don't really have a good Manu replacement on the team especially with Delfino not playing so even if Manu didn't want to play there's still a lot of pressure on him to do it.

:lol looks like an AARP meeting

[exstatic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0KIxN4ADWg
starting at the 0:21 mark you can see Manu practicing. The sad thing is they don't really have a good Manu replacement on the team especially with Delfino not playing so even if Manu didn't want to play there's still a lot of pressure on him to do it.

So, in a nutshell, Manu has to play because Delfino won't....great.

[will_spurs]

I'm all for players playing for their NT, but injured is injured. He should rest. I hope the Spurs lay down the hammer on that one.

[chasky]

Those images of the anrtenina nt trainnig are of 2012.