Two guys with guns being stupid. Shocker.

[RandomGuy]

http://thismodernworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/TMW2014-05-21colorLARGE-copy1.jpg

No one was hurt. Yet.

First day of new gun law leads to arrest

VALDOSTA — On the first day of the new Georgia Safe Carry Protection Act, a misunderstanding between two armed men in a convenience store Tuesday led to a drawn firearm and a man’s arrest.

“Essentially, it involved one customer with a gun on his hip when a second customer entered with a gun on his hip,” said Valdosta Police Chief Brian Childress.

At approximately 3 p.m. Tuesday, police responded to a call regarding a customer dispute at the Enmark on the corner of Park Avenue and North Lee Street.

A man carrying a holstered firearm entered the store to make a purchase. Another customer, also with a holstered firearm, approached him and demanded to see his identification and firearms license, according to the Valdosta Police Department report.

The customer making demands for ID pulled his firearm from its holster but never pointed it at the other customer, who said he was not obligated to show any permits or identification.

He demanded the man’s ID again. Undeterred by the drawn gun, the man paid for his items, left the store and called for police.

Authorities arrested Ronald Williams, 62, on a charge of disorderly conduct, related to the pulling of a weapon inside of the store, according to the VPD. Police confiscated Williams’ weapon and took him to the Lowndes County Jail.

The police chief said no one can demand a person to show their gun permit. Under the new law, he as police chief and his officers cannot demand to see a firearms permit, Childress said.

“This is an example of my concern with the new gun law that people will take the law into their own hands which we will not tolerate,” Childress said.

http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/todays-top-stories/x1736693358/First-day-of-new-gun-law-leads-to-arrest

[lefty]

:lol Murica

[boutons_deux]

gun fellators! :lol

marans! :lol

2nd Amendment! :lol

Water The Tree! :lol

Come and Take It! :lol

"Y'all, I ain't go no dick, but I got a gun, so I'm A Real Man" :lol

red states! :lol

Confederacy! :lol

"Let Me Tell You About The Negro" !

[TeyshaBlue]

Smileys! ¤
Memes!¤
Original Thought.○

[boutons_deux]

Smileys! ¤
Memes!¤
Original Thought.○

TB! :lol firing blanks

[TheSanityAnnex]

No one was hurt. Yet.

First day of new gun law leads to arrest

VALDOSTA — On the first day of the new Georgia Safe Carry Protection Act, a misunderstanding between two armed men in a convenience store Tuesday led to a drawn firearm and a man’s arrest.

“Essentially, it involved one customer with a gun on his hip when a second customer entered with a gun on his hip,” said Valdosta Police Chief Brian Childress.

At approximately 3 p.m. Tuesday, police responded to a call regarding a customer dispute at the Enmark on the corner of Park Avenue and North Lee Street.

A man carrying a holstered firearm entered the store to make a purchase. Another customer, also with a holstered firearm, approached him and demanded to see his identification and firearms license, according to the Valdosta Police Department report.

The customer making demands for ID pulled his firearm from its holster but never pointed it at the other customer, who said he was not obligated to show any permits or identification.

He demanded the man’s ID again. Undeterred by the drawn gun, the man paid for his items, left the store and called for police.

Authorities arrested Ronald Williams, 62, on a charge of disorderly conduct, related to the pulling of a weapon inside of the store, according to the VPD. Police confiscated Williams’ weapon and took him to the Lowndes County Jail.

The police chief said no one can demand a person to show their gun permit. Under the new law, he as police chief and his officers cannot demand to see a firearms permit, Childress said.

“This is an example of my concern with the new gun law that people will take the law into their own hands which we will not tolerate,” Childress said.

http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/todays-top-stories/x1736693358/First-day-of-new-gun-law-leads-to-arrest


Meanwhile in Chicago last month...

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[ChumpDumper]

Meanwhile in Chicago last month...

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This is really important to you.

So what's your answer in Chicago?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Two guys had guns and didn't shoot each other, yet RandomGuy felt it was important enough to post. Just seeing where his priorities are.

[ChumpDumper]

Two guys had guns and didn't shoot each other, yet RandomGuy felt it was important enough to post. Just seeing where his priorities are.Pretty damn funny standoff though.

Day 1.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Pretty damn funny standoff though.

Day 1.
The guy just ignored him and paid for his items and left, not even a standoff.

[ChumpDumper]

The guy just ignored him and paid for his items and left, not even a standoff.So you don't' find anything about it funny?

Sorry for you, fella.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I find it funny the guy just ignored him.

[Big Empty]

lol im 100% republican on this issue but this is the kind of thing that concerns me with people taking their right to bear arms to extreme

[Two10Whitey]

“Essentially, it involved one customer with a gun on his hip when a second customer entered with a gun on his hip,” said Valdosta Police Chief Brian Childress.

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

Two guys had guns and didn't shoot each other, yet RandomGuy felt it was important enough to post. Just seeing where his priorities are.

It was an interesting incident where, once everybody starts wearing guns, then shit is going to happen where "law-abiding" people who would have simply punched each other in the nose or shouted at each other, will have instant access to deadly force.

It also makes it really hard to identify WHO is the shooter in some mass shooting when everybody has a gun.

My priorities are not to offer the blood sacrifices of children on the altar of "gun rights".

How many dead children per year are ok, to keep gun rights?

[boutons_deux]

How many dead children per year are ok, to keep gun rights?

I think it was Joe The Plumber who said, after a recent mass shooting (there's ALWAYS a recent one in USA), that his 2nd Amendment rights, in his perverse interpretation, trump the lives of all children. I bet he says what millions of dickless gun fellators agree with but are a little bit smart enough to keep their mouths shut.

[SnakeBoy]

It was an interesting incident where, once everybody starts wearing guns, then shit is going to happen where "law-abiding" people who would have simply punched each other in the nose or shouted at each other, will have instant access to deadly force.

It also makes it really hard to identify WHO is the shooter in some mass shooting when everybody has a gun.

My priorities are not to offer the blood sacrifices of children on the altar of "gun rights".

How many dead children per year are ok, to keep gun rights?

Two men carrying guns got into an argument and nothing happened but yeah what about the children.

[RandomGuy]

Two men carrying guns got into an argument and nothing happened but yeah what about the children.

I noticed you dodged the question too.

Hundreds of children die each year from accidental shootings or suicide, on the order of 500+ per year, beyond those killed in homicides.

How many children are you willing to let die to keep any restrictions on gun ownership from being enacted into law?

It is a very serious question that should be answered by anyone who would argue against laws on 2nd amendment basis, and even for those who propose that we even keep the 2nd amendment.

I think the 2nd amendment should be repealed in its entirety. Let the states decide for themselves how to regulate these dangerous tools, like they regulate vehicles.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It was an interesting incident where, once everybody starts wearing guns, then shit is going to happen where "law-abiding" people who would have simply punched each other in the nose or shouted at each other, will have instant access to deadly force.

It also makes it really hard to identify WHO is the shooter in some mass shooting when everybody has a gun.

My priorities are not to offer the blood sacrifices of children on the altar of "gun rights".

How many dead children per year are ok, to keep gun rights?

In your OP both men had instant access to deadly force, and nothing happened. And your thread title is a lie, only one man acted stupid. You act as if open carry is some new idea, it's been around a long while yet not many people choose to exercise the right, so no, everybody will not start wearing guns, and those that choose to do so aren't shooting everyone up as you seem to imply.


And lol @ your mass shooting scenario.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I noticed you dodged the question too.

Hundreds of children die each year from accidental shootings or suicide, on the order of 500+ per year, beyond those killed in homicides.

How many children are you willing to let die to keep any restrictions on gun ownership from being enacted into law?

It is a very serious question that should be answered by anyone who would argue against laws on 2nd amendment basis, and even for those who propose that we even keep the 2nd amendment.

I think the 2nd amendment should be repealed in its entirety. Let the states decide for themselves how to regulate these dangerous tools, like they regulate vehicles.

It is sad and unfortunate that even one child dies from a gun, but trying to put that on me with the "how many children are you willing to let die" is just complete bullshit. You act as if guns are not restricted in any manner. Vehicles are heavily regulated and more kids die per year in car accidents. What restrictions would have saved these kids?

[SnakeBoy]

How many dead children per year are ok, to keep gun rights?

lol You wanted an answer to that ridiculous question? Ok, let's say up to the number of children killed by abortion each year but I may reconsider if the number of child firearm deaths ever exceeds 10% of the number of abortions.

[pgardn]

lol You wanted an answer to that ridiculous question? Ok, let's say up to the number of children killed by abortion each year but I may reconsider if the number of child firearm deaths ever exceeds 10% of the number of abortions.

So at what point is an egg a child so you can give us the number of deaths per year?

[Wild Cobra]

The guy just ignored him and paid for his items and left, not even a standoff.
No kidding.

yawn...

[Wild Cobra]

It was an interesting incident where, once everybody starts wearing guns, then shit is going to happen where "law-abiding" people who would have simply punched each other in the nose or shouted at each other, will have instant access to deadly force.

It also makes it really hard to identify WHO is the shooter in some mass shooting when everybody has a gun.

My priorities are not to offer the blood sacrifices of children on the altar of "gun rights".

How many dead children per year are ok, to keep gun rights?
So, am I to take it you are driven by fear?

[Wild Cobra]

I noticed you dodged the question too.

Hundreds of children die each year from accidental shootings or suicide, on the order of 500+ per year, beyond those killed in homicides.

How many children are you willing to let die to keep any restrictions on gun ownership from being enacted into law?

It is a very serious question that should be answered by anyone who would argue against laws on 2nd amendment basis, and even for those who propose that we even keep the 2nd amendment.

I think the 2nd amendment should be repealed in its entirety. Let the states decide for themselves how to regulate these dangerous tools, like they regulate vehicles.
Hundreds oe thousands of children are killed each year by cars.

Hundreds of children are killed each year playing.

Unknown tens, or hundreds of thousand children are murdered each year by abortion.

What is your point?

[Wild Cobra]

In your OP both men had instant access to deadly force, and nothing happened. And your thread title is a lie, only one man acted stupid. You act as if open carry is some new idea, it's been around a long while yet not many people choose to exercise the right, so no, everybody will not start wearing guns, and those that choose to do so aren't shooting everyone up as you seem to imply.


And lol @ your mass shooting scenario.

Shit.

My mothers second boyfriend after my parents divorced always open carried. I never thought anything about it. It was normal.

[pgardn]

Shit.

My mothers second boyfriend after my parents divorced always open carried. I never thought anything about it. It was normal.

Firearms when dinosaurs roamed the Earth.

[RandomGuy]

lol You wanted an answer to that ridiculous question? Ok, let's say up to the number of children killed by abortion each year but I may reconsider if the number of child firearm deaths ever exceeds 10% of the number of abortions.

Number of children killed by abortions each year is zero.

[DarrinS]

Number of children killed by abortions each year is zero.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/16/us/kermit-gosnell-abortion-doctor-gets-life-term.html?_r=0

[TheSanityAnnex]

I noticed you dodged the question too.

Hundreds of children die each year from accidental shootings or suicide, on the order of 500+ per year, beyond those killed in homicides.

How many children are you willing to let die to keep any restrictions on gun ownership from being enacted into law?

It is a very serious question that should be answered by anyone who would argue against laws on 2nd amendment basis, and even for those who propose that we even keep the 2nd amendment.

I think the 2nd amendment should be repealed in its entirety. Let the states decide for themselves how to regulate these dangerous tools, like they regulate vehicles.

Speaking of dodging questions.....

What restrictions on gun ownership that have not been enacted into law would have saved the children I am willing to let die?

[cantthinkofanything]

Speaking of dodging questions.....

What restrictions on gun ownership that have not been enacted into law would have saved the children I am willing to let die?

Banning sale or transfer of guns to persons that will use them to shoot children

[boutons_deux]

Speaking of dodging questions.....

What restrictions on gun ownership that have not been enacted into law would have saved the children I am willing to let die?

severe b/g checks

all private sales registered

all gun owners required to carry liability insurance

all gun owners register all guns and pay annual title fee every year.

all open/concealed carry assholes required to carry both current title registration and current insurance card.

spouse beaters and DWI offenders required to give up their guns.

any crimes committed with stolen guns cause the gun owner to be charged as accomplice and denied right to own guns

any death/injuries to innocent parties cause gun owner to be charged with manslaughter, and loss of all guns.

any gun carrier (short or long guns) without title and insurance card has his gun(s) confiscated for 6 months and charged/fined with misdemeanor.

all clips limited to 5 rounds. Any larger clips are punishable with confiscation and fine.

national gun registry showing owner and title history for each gun, immediately accessible to law enforcement nationwide.

... I'm sure I could come up with more.

[TheSanityAnnex]

severe b/g checks

all private sales registered

all gun owners required to carry liability insurance

all gun owners register all guns and pay annual title fee every year.

all open/concealed carry assholes required to carry both current title registration and current insurance card.

spouse beaters and DWI offenders required to give up their guns.

any crimes committed with stolen guns cause the gun owner to be charged as accomplice and denied right to own guns

any death/injuries to innocent parties cause gun owner to be charged with manslaughter, and loss of all guns.

any gun carrier (short or long guns) without title and insurance card has his gun(s) confiscated for 6 months and charged/fined with misdemeanor.

all clips limited to 5 rounds. Any larger clips are punishable with confiscation and fine.

national gun registry showing owner and title history for each gun, immediately accessible to law enforcement nationwide.

... I'm sure I could come up with more.


None of that will save the children.

[SnakeBoy]

Number of children killed by abortions each year is zero.

I'd consider an unborn infant more of a child than the teenage gangbangers you're so distraught over.

[boutons_deux]

None of that will save the children.

sure it will.

[TheSanityAnnex]

sure it will.Please explain point by point how it would save the children.

[SnakeBoy]

http://i.imgur.com/cmBMeeZ.jpg

[pgardn]

I'd consider an unborn infant more of a child than the teenage gangbangers you're so distraught over.

Is a zygote an infant?

Since we are assigning categories and all...

[SnakeBoy]

Is a zygote an infant?

Since we are assigning categories and all...

lol Abortions aren't being done to get rid of zygotes or "eggs" as you said earlier but nice try. Might want to freshen up on your biology before trying to start a when life begins argument.

[pgardn]

lol Abortions aren't being done to get rid of zygotes or "eggs" as you said earlier but nice try. Might want to freshen up on your biology before trying to start a when life begins argument.

Of course they are not.

Do you consider them human? One can't get into abortion arguments about children and infants when you refer to life as such. So I really want you to define when a human life begins?

And then tell us how many children you have adopted... Who were going to be aborted. You wandered flippantly into deep water so give it up. Let the board know Mr. Biology.

[SnakeBoy]

Of course they are not.

Do you consider them human? One can't get into abortion arguments about children and infants when you refer to life as such. So I really want you to define when a human life begins?

And then tell us how many children you have adopted... Who were going to be aborted. You wandered flippantly into deep water so give it up. Let the board know Mr. Biology.

I didn't wander flippantly into anything. RG wanted a specific number of "child" deaths that would make me reconsider gun rights. I gave him 10% of the # of abortions that occur, that's roughly the number of late term abortions. So let's see how you answer...

Are these children...

http://img3.allvoices.com/thumbs/image/609/480/85929019-living-miracle.jpg
http://images2.cafemomstatic.com/images/user/gallery/post_1793323_1252957299_med.jpg?imageId=16540400

Are these children...

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/0b/42/0b42c039212c907e9a383fefba78b00f.jpg?itok=J2j6PX3-

Now we already know RG couldn't care less about the first two but is so distraught that some "children" like in the last pic might get shot that he's willing to give up his constitutional rights. What say you pgardn?

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/0b/42/0b42c039212c907e9a383fefba78b00f.jpg?itok=J2j6PX3-

[johnsmith]

Number of children killed by abortions each year is zero.

Throws that one out there and leaves

[pgardn]

I didn't wander flippantly into anything. RG wanted a specific number of "child" deaths that would make me reconsider gun rights. I gave him 10% of the # of abortions that occur, that's roughly the number of late term abortions. So let's see how you answer...

Are these children...

http://img3.allvoices.com/thumbs/image/609/480/85929019-living-miracle.jpg
http://images2.cafemomstatic.com/images/user/gallery/post_1793323_1252957299_med.jpg?imageId=16540400

Are these children...

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/0b/42/0b42c039212c907e9a383fefba78b00f.jpg?itok=J2j6PX3-

Now we already know RG couldn't care less about the first two but is so distraught that some "children" like in the last pic might get shot that he's willing to give up his constitutional rights. What say you pgardn?

I understand his post and your reply.

You stated I needed to brush up on biology. So it's time for a lesson. I wanted to keep a more exacting # since abortion entered the conversation. You want Biology, I'll give you Biology.
What is an abortion for starters, if you please?

This may take a while, but you issued the challenge.

[SnakeBoy]

I understand his post and your reply.

You stated I needed to brush up on biology. So it's time for a lesson. I wanted to keep a more exacting # since abortion entered the conversation. You want Biology, I'll give you Biology.
What is an abortion for starters, if you please?

This may take a while, but you issued the challenge.

It's when a doctor removes an egg or sometimes a zygote lol.

I issued no challenge, I just answered RG's question. Your the fool who started talking nonsense about eggs and zygotes being aborted...but by all means teach us a lesson oh great one.

[spurraider21]

thread title should be changed to "one guy with gun being stupid." sounds like the second guy was totally calm and did nothing wrong at all. walked into the store, made his purchase, and called the police when somebody with a weapon was acting beyond himself

[spurraider21]

It's when a doctor removes an egg or sometimes a zygote lol.

I issued no challenge, I just answered RG's question. Your the fool who started talking nonsense about eggs and zygotes being aborted...but by all means teach us a lesson oh great one.
:lol nobody aborts a zygote or just an egg. take a biology class please

[boutons_deux]

Why aren't pro-lifers going after fertility clinics that dump 1000s of fertilized eggs, aka life-had-begun human beings?

That's murder, too, right?

Egg out of the vagina? Horse out of the barn? no slutty woman having "recreational" sex?

[pgardn]

It's when a doctor removes an egg or sometimes a zygote lol.

I issued no challenge.

Holy shit...

No actually you said I needed a biology lesson. Implying I don't know what I am talking about. That's a challenge to ones knowledge on a subject.

Based on your response it's clear who needs a biology lesson.

And if your response was not sincere I ask you again to define an abortion, your own words...

[pgardn]

Why aren't pro-lifers going after fertility clinics that dump 1000s of fertilized eggs, aka life-had-begun human beings?

That's murder, too, right?

Egg out of the vagina? Horse out of the barn? no slutty woman having "recreational" sex?

This is exactly were I was headed. I need a definition of a human being from the anti abortion group. Because there is a whole lot of slaughter going on depending on that definition. I have not a clue as to when a human life actually begins. It's a very difficult question. Let Snake Boy enlighten us.

[RandomGuy]

In your OP both men had instant access to deadly force, and nothing happened. And your thread title is a lie, only one man acted stupid. You act as if open carry is some new idea, it's been around a long while yet not many people choose to exercise the right, so no, everybody will not start wearing guns, and those that choose to do so aren't shooting everyone up as you seem to imply.


And lol @ your mass shooting scenario.

Mass shootings exist, and will be a certainty as long as guns exist and are available.

I trust you aren't too closeminded to acknowledge they aren't.

If you get more people taking advantage of open carry laws, yes or no, will one or more of these people almost certainly find themselves in the area of a mass shooting?

[RandomGuy]

Hundreds oe thousands of children are killed each year by cars.

Hundreds of children are killed each year playing.

Unknown tens, or hundreds of thousand children are murdered each year by abortion.

What is your point?

Provably false.

Define "child", sophist.

[RandomGuy]

I didn't wander flippantly into anything. RG wanted a specific number of "child" deaths that would make me reconsider gun rights. I gave him 10% of the # of abortions that occur, that's roughly the number of late term abortions. So let's see how you answer...

Are these children...

http://img3.allvoices.com/thumbs/image/609/480/85929019-living-miracle.jpg
http://images2.cafemomstatic.com/images/user/gallery/post_1793323_1252957299_med.jpg?imageId=16540400

Are these children...

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/0b/42/0b42c039212c907e9a383fefba78b00f.jpg?itok=J2j6PX3-

Now we already know RG couldn't care less about the first two but is so distraught that some "children" like in the last pic might get shot that he's willing to give up his constitutional rights. What say you pgardn?

LOL "I'm not racist, but...."

[RandomGuy]

thread title should be changed to "one guy with gun being stupid." sounds like the second guy was totally calm and did nothing wrong at all. walked into the store, made his purchase, and called the police when somebody with a weapon was acting beyond himself

Hmm. You are right. Just one guy was being a real idiot.

Mea culpa, I stand corrected, and a bit guilty of hyperbole.

[RandomGuy]

I'd consider an unborn infant more of a child than the teenage gangbangers you're so distraught over.

"I'm not racist, but I assume that when RG talks about child deaths, he is talking about teenage blacks and mexicans in gangs"

http://media2.wcpo.com//photo/2013/02/19/Child_critical_after_accidental_shooting_334540000 _20130219182934_640_480.JPG

http://wrcb.images.worldnow.com/images/12792260_BG4.jpg

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/04/28/a3/91/orignal_1189123_K2L_537572a_3.jpg

I guess your thinking is different when I was mostly talking about actual children, and no few of them white?

Is it a problem now?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Speaking of dodging questions.....

What restrictions on gun ownership that have not been enacted into law would have saved the children I am willing to let die?

[RandomGuy]

What restrictions on gun ownership that have not been enacted into law would have saved the children I am willing to let die?

Fair question.

I would simply require guns to only be owned by someone who has a license. Requirement of license is a hundred hours or more of training, and an acknowledgment that if anybody dies from an accident, you are firmly responsible and prosecuted for negligence.

No license, no gun. Period.

I can accept a few gun deaths, if those responsible for accidents are held accountable.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It also makes it really hard to identify WHO is the shooter in some mass shooting when everybody has a gun.Everybody? Give me a fucking break. The mass shooter is easily identified, he is the guy walking around shooting everybody.


Mass shootings exist, and will be a certainty as long as guns exist and are available.

I trust you aren't too fucktarded to acknowledge they aren't, although given your lack of any attempt at critical thinking when it comes to the subject so far, that may be a bit of an assumption on my part.

If you get more people taking advantage of open carry laws, yes or no, will one or more of these people almost certainly find themselves in the area of a mass shooting?



You'll have to define a time frame before I can answer yes or no that an open carrier will certainly find themselves in the area of a mass shooting.

[elbamba]

Fair question.

I would simply require guns to only be owned by someone who has a license. Requirement of license is a hundred hours or more of training, and an acknowledgment that if anybody dies from an accident, you are firmly responsible and prosecuted for negligence.

No license, no gun. Period.

I can accept a few gun deaths, if those responsible for accidents are held accountable.

I am not a gun owner nor have I ever fired a gun so I might be a bit off on my safety precautions.

Not sure your standard would work. Negligence is usually a reasonable standard as in, "what would a reasonable person in a similar situation do". If I am a gun owner and I keep my gun locked up, bullets separated and some how someone gets a hold of my gun, I don't know that you could prosecute for negligence. You might be looking for more of a strict liability standard.

That said, I like the idea of training hours but I think it needs to be a monthly requirement as opposed to a hundred hours up front. Perhaps 40 hours before you can own a gun and then 2-5 hours of training each month to keep up your license. Failing to comply is an automatic 90 day probation period where you can get current on your hours. Failing to meet this would be automatic suspension where you must turn in your firearms and appeal the suspension. Possession of a firearm after suspension is an automatic felony.

I also think there should be specific safety protocols with respect to types of safes that a gun owner must have and separate safes for bullets. This might not be plausible, as I said, I am not a gun owner and know virtually nothing about guns. But I think there are safety measures that can be taken to improve the general safety of the public.

I don't think you will ever prevent children taking their lives or mass shootings. People who are motivated to kill will find ways to kill. This, however, should not be an excuse to facilitate potential acts of violence.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Fair question.

I would simply require guns to only be owned by someone who has a license. Requirement of license is a hundred hours or more of training, and an acknowledgment that if anybody dies from an accident, you are firmly responsible and prosecuted for negligence.

No license, no gun. Period.

I can accept a few gun deaths, if those responsible for accidents are held accountable.

A hundred hours seems a bit excessive but fine. I'm in agreement with the owner being responsible for anything that happens with said firearm. How would these changes save more children though? I feel the effects would be negligible.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I am not a gun owner nor have I ever fired a gun so I might be a bit off on my safety precautions.

Not sure your standard would work. Negligence is usually a reasonable standard as in, "what would a reasonable person in a similar situation do". If I am a gun owner and I keep my gun locked up, bullets separated and some how someone gets a hold of my gun, I don't know that you could prosecute for negligence. You might be looking for more of a strict liability standard.

That said, I like the idea of training hours but I think it needs to be a monthly requirement as opposed to a hundred hours up front. Perhaps 40 hours before you can own a gun and then 2-5 hours of training each month to keep up your license. Failing to comply is an automatic 90 day probation period where you can get current on your hours. Failing to meet this would be automatic suspension where you must turn in your firearms and appeal the suspension. Possession of a firearm after suspension is an automatic felony.

I also think there should be specific safety protocols with respect to types of safes that a gun owner must have and separate safes for bullets. This might not be plausible, as I said, I am not a gun owner and know virtually nothing about guns. But I think there are safety measures that can be taken to improve the general safety of the public.

I don't think you will ever prevent children taking their lives or mass shootings. People who are motivated to kill will find ways to kill. This, however, should not be an excuse to facilitate potential acts of violence.

A separate safe for bullets? :lol

Hold on home invader....let me open up my second safe so I can get my bullets.

And to all your other points...criminals will simply not comply and the burden is on law abiding citizens.

[vy65]

if anybody dies from an accident, you are firmly responsible and prosecuted for negligence.

That's the status quo. There isn't some "gun-owner immunity" from civil liability, much less voluntary/involuntary manslaughter.

Don't see how this saves the kids you're always obsessing about you pedo

[elbamba]

A separate safe for bullets? :lol

Hold on home invader....let me open up my second safe so I can get my bullets.

And to all your other points...criminals will simply not comply and the burden is on law abiding citizens.

So should we not require car companies to install seat belts because people will just not buckle?
The home invader is not going to know whether your gun has bullets in it. And it is not like you have to keep the bullets in the garage. Do you have any suggestions or do you simply think that we should take no action because shit happens and there is nothing we can do to stop it?

[TheSanityAnnex]

The home invader is not going to know whether your gun has bullets in it. And it is not like you have to keep the bullets in the garage.So I now have a gun with no bullets, should I throw it at the home invader? I'm guessing you also think racking a shotgun is all you need to scare off the home invader. An unloaded gun completely defeats the purpose of having a gun in the first place.



Do you have any suggestions or do you simply think that we should take no action because shit happens and there is nothing we can do to stop it?I store all of my guns loaded in a safe that is bolted down to concrete and have a loaded gun in a drawer in my nightstand. If I had kids the gun in the nightstand would be moved to the locked safe. When friends bring their kids to my house the gun in the nightstand moves to the locked safe. No dead kids at my house so far. Being responsible goes a long long way, making new laws does little.

[RandomGuy]

That's the status quo. There isn't some "gun-owner immunity" from civil liability, much less voluntary/involuntary manslaughter.

Don't see how this saves the kids you're always obsessing about you pedo

Wow, you resurfaced.

[vy65]

Wow, you resurfaced.

Yah sorry, having a real job gets in the way of posting on a political forum attached to a spurs message board. I guess I need to get my priorities straight, right?

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's tough to have a decent discussion when the two people I'm directing questions at refuse to answer.

Boutons---how will your ideas save the children?

RandomGuy---why do you believe there is going to be some sudden surge in open carry? It's been around for a long time and as far as I know no new laws permitting open carry have been passed. "Everybody" will not have a gun. People who exercise their right to open carry are rare compared to the number of gun owners, mass shootings are even more rare. Assuming an open carrier will "certainly" be at a mass shooting is quite the leap no? And so what if one is?

[boutons_deux]

Please explain point by point how it would save the children.

on the good guys side:

change culture of lackadaisical, sloppy, low-cost gun ownership with confiscations/gun-destruction, and severe penalties, including prison, for accidents, crimes, etc committed with good guys' guns.

Gun owners have an average of 9 or 10 guns. Paying registration fees, annual re-up fees, mandatory liability insurance ON EACH GUN should stimulate extreme caution in operating, securing the guns.

on the bad guys side:

another policy: pay handsome bounties (very attractive to the the poor) to anyone fingering an illegal gun owner.

anybody stopped with gun without permit, title, insurance on his person will have the gun(s) confiscated and destroyed, no appeal.

the person will also be arrested, fined, maybe jailed, and LONG probation, just like DWI arrests.

It will take time, but eventually the 300M+ guns and the lackadaisical/criminal/fun culture around guns will change, as will the number of guns decrease.

[SnakeBoy]

LOL "I'm not racist, but...."

LOL typical liberal. Liberals like to use statistics that include gang/drug related shootings for "children" up to age 19, which comprise the majority of gun related violence, and as soon as someone points it out you run straight to the racist card.

[SnakeBoy]

"I'm not racist, but I assume that when RG talks about child deaths, he is talking about teenage blacks and mexicans in gangs"

http://media2.wcpo.com//photo/2013/02/19/Child_critical_after_accidental_shooting_334540000 _20130219182934_640_480.JPG

http://wrcb.images.worldnow.com/images/12792260_BG4.jpg

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/04/28/a3/91/orignal_1189123_K2L_537572a_3.jpg

I guess your thinking is different when I was mostly talking about actual children, and no few of them white?

Is it a problem now?

No more than any number of household accidents that kill children every year. I'm not willing to give up my constitutional rights for those either.

[RandomGuy]

No more than any number of household accidents that kill children every year. I'm not willing to give up my constitutional rights for those either.

Ah, so any number of dead children is ok with you.

Thanks for clearing that up.

That is essentially trading real dead children for some imagined loss.

[RandomGuy]

LOL typical liberal. Liberals like to use statistics that include gang/drug related shootings for "children" up to age 19, which comprise the majority of gun related violence, and as soon as someone points it out you run straight to the racist card.

"no, really, i'm not racist, I just don't care about them hood rat gang bangers killing each other."

:rollin

If you are going to keep digging, get a shovel.

[RandomGuy]

http://i.imgur.com/cmBMeeZ.jpg


..."child" deaths
Are these children...

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/0b/42/0b42c039212c907e9a383fefba78b00f.jpg?itok=J2j6PX3-

Now we already know RG couldn't care less about the first two but is so distraught that some "children" like in the last pic might get shot that he's willing to give up his constitutional rights.


translation of the above posts: "I'm not racist, but I assume that when RG talks about child deaths, he is talking about teenage blacks and mexicans in gangs"


waah you called me racist

:rolleyes

[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy---why do you believe there is going to be some sudden surge in open carry? It's been around for a long time and as far as I know no new laws permitting open carry have been passed. "Everybody" will not have a gun. People who exercise their right to open carry are rare compared to the number of gun owners, mass shootings are even more rare. Assuming an open carrier will "certainly" be at a mass shooting is quite the leap no? And so what if one is?

I don't believe there is going to be some sudden surge in open carry.

I am, however, pointing out the logical flaws in said policy.

Over time the probability of an event happening, even improbable ones, approaches 1.

If the open carry policy being pushed by the whackos goes through, that will mean more people running around openly with guns.

The wider the policy, the sooner the event will occur.

QED

In this case, we had a policy in place for exactly a day before the first incident, however benign, does not bode well for the long term soundness of such laws.

[RandomGuy]

A hundred hours seems a bit excessive but fine. I'm in agreement with the owner being responsible for anything that happens with said firearm. How would these changes save more children though? I feel the effects would be negligible.

Honestly, there are so many guns in the US now that it would be almost impossible to realistically enact any meaningful restrictions, IMO.

Sadly the march of sacrifices on the altar of gun fetishism will continue unabated. However much I might not like that, I can be realistic. The gun lobby is effective, and virulent, whatever one might think of them.

[TheSanityAnnex]

on the good guys side:

change culture of lackadaisical, sloppy, low-cost gun ownership with confiscations/gun-destruction, and severe penalties, including prison, for accidents, crimes, etc committed with good guys' guns. Already severe penalties in place for crimes/accidents


Gun owners have an average of 9 or 10 guns. Paying registration fees, annual re-up fees, mandatory liability insurance ON EACH GUN should stimulate extreme caution in operating, securing the guns.The average gun owner is already extremely cautious and secures guns, no need for exorbitant fees.



on the bad guys side:

another policy: pay handsome bounties (very attractive to the the poor) to anyone fingering an illegal gun owner. And how exactly would they know it was illegal? And even if they do, who will go after and prosecute? Right now 100's of thousands of guns are already in the hands of known prohibited persons and nothing is done.


anybody stopped with gun without permit, title, insurance on his person will have the gun(s) confiscated and destroyed, no appeal.

the person will also be arrested, fined, maybe jailed, and LONG probation, just like DWI arrests.Bad guy's can't get CCW's so anyone stopped with a gun on them is already committing a crime and will be arrested and thrown in jail.


It will take time, but eventually the 300M+ guns and the lackadaisical/criminal/fun culture around guns will change, as will the number of guns decrease.Nothing you said addresses the criminal problem, which is the only problem. You have not saved any children.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't believe there is going to be some sudden surge in open carry.

I am, however, pointing out the logical flaws in said policy.

Over time the probability of an event happening, even improbable ones, approaches 1.

If the open carry policy being pushed by the whackos goes through, that will mean more people running around openly with guns.

The wider the policy, the sooner the event will occur.

QED

In this case, we had a policy in place for exactly a day before the first incident, however benign, does not bode well for the long term soundness of such laws.
The vast majority of gun owners oppose the whacko open carry folks and realize they are doing much more harm for us than good, I wouldn't be too worried about it being pushed through and having mass amounts of people running around with guns.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Honestly, there are so many guns in the US now that it would be almost impossible to realistically enact any meaningful restrictions, IMO.

Sadly the march of sacrifices on the altar of gun fetishism will continue unabated. However much I might not like that, I can be realistic. The gun lobby is effective, and virulent, whatever one might think of them.

IMO, the problem isn't with the guns themselves, nor the amount of guns in circulation. Blaming guns is a cop out. Address the issues that actually cause violence (poverty, joblessness, poor education etc) and we'll see improvements.

[boutons_deux]

Nothing you said addresses the criminal problem, which is the only problem. You have not saved any children.

bullshit.

non criminals, including kids, injuring/killing themselves and others is a problem.

It may not be a big enough problem for you, but it is for serious, reasonable, civilized people.

[TheSanityAnnex]

bullshit.

non criminals, including kids, injuring/killing themselves and others is a problem.

It may not be a big enough problem for you, but it is for serious, reasonable, civilized people.

It's not bullshit. Nothing you proposed does anything to help prevent kids from injuring/killing themselves, nothing.

It is a problem for me and I am a serious, reasonable, and civilized person. Had you read my post on this very page instead of constantly shouting repug repug you would have seen that when children come over to my house all guns are locked up in a safe bolted to a concrete floor. No dead kids on my watch.

[Blake]

A separate safe for bullets? :lol

Hold on home invader....let me open up my second safe so I can get my bullets.

And to all your other points...criminals will simply not comply and the burden is on law abiding citizens.

Yeah, you're already wasting precious time telling home invader to hold on while you open safe #1.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yeah, you're already wasting precious time telling home invader to hold on while you open safe #1.

In a drawer in my nightstand a foot from my bed. Nice try though.

[Blake]

In a drawer in my nightstand a foot from my bed. Nice try though.

Right where the kids can get it. Nice.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Right where the kids can get it. Nice.

Don't be fooled by my avatar, I don't have kids, try and keep up.

[Blake]

Don't be fooled by my avatar, I don't have kids, try and keep up.

Neat.

If you did, where would the gun be

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yawn....already covered in this thread. Keep trying.


I store all of my guns loaded in a safe that is bolted down to concrete and have a loaded gun in a drawer in my nightstand. If I had kids the gun in the nightstand would be moved to the locked safe. When friends bring their kids to my house the gun in the nightstand moves to the locked safe. No dead kids at my house so far. Being responsible goes a long long way, making new laws does little.

[TheSanityAnnex]

And before the inevitable question from you regarding having to open my safe once I have kids for the home invader............I have a biometric safe that opens is seconds with my fingerprint.

[Blake]

And before the inevitable question from you regarding having to open my safe once I have kids for the home invader............I have a biometric safe that opens is seconds with my fingerprint.

So then what's the big deal with a second safe?

[TheSanityAnnex]

So then what's the big deal with a second safe?

It's like a second dick in your wife, unwanted and unnecessary.

[Frank Dux]

That said, I like the idea of training hours but I think it needs to be a monthly requirement as opposed to a hundred hours up front. Perhaps 40 hours before you can own a gun and then 2-5 hours of training each month to keep up your license. Failing to comply is an automatic 90 day probation period where you can get current on your hours. Failing to meet this would be automatic suspension where you must turn in your firearms and appeal the suspension. Possession of a firearm after suspension is an automatic felony.

Many people would call me a lefty on most issues but I totally disagree with these ideas. The right to bear arms is a guaranteed right by the constitution. What you're suggesting is reminiscent of literacy requirements to vote. Just like with literacy requirements, you're suggesting a system in which it will be far too easy to deny certain groups their constitutional rights in a discriminatory fashion.

[Blake]

It's like a second dick in your wife, unwanted and unnecessary.

Kind of like the 2nd Amendment

[elbamba]

Many people would call me a lefty on most issues but I totally disagree with these ideas. The right to bear arms is a guaranteed right by the constitution. What you're suggesting is reminiscent of literacy requirements to vote. Just like with literacy requirements, you're suggesting a system in which it will be far too easy to deny certain groups their constitutional rights in a discriminatory fashion.

I believe you need a permit to own a gun. The constitution is silent as to any kind of permit requirements. If you commit and are convicted of a felony it becomes illegal to own a gun, the constitution is silent on this as well.

Constitutional rights are broadened and narrowed all the time. We have a constitutional right to bear arms but the constitution isn't specific on the type of arms we can bear. It is certainly silent on the technological advances guns and firearms have enjoyed since the late 1790s. I think that regulation of arms is a responsibility of both the state and federal governments. My method might not work, I do not pretend to be a gun expert, or an expert on gun safety. I think that there can be reasonable regulation that is instituted in the interest of public safety.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I believe you need a permit to own a gun. The constitution is silent as to any kind of permit requirements. If you commit and are convicted of a felony it becomes illegal to own a gun, the constitution is silent on this as well.

Constitutional rights are broadened and narrowed all the time. We have a constitutional right to bear arms but the constitution isn't specific on the type of arms we can bear. It is certainly silent on the technological advances guns and firearms have enjoyed since the late 1790s. I think that regulation of arms is a responsibility of both the state and federal governments. My method might not work, I do not pretend to be a gun expert, or an expert on gun safety. I think that there can be reasonable regulation that is instituted in the interest of public safety.
There already is reasonable regulation in the interest of public safety. Some choose to ignore it (criminals) others choose not to enforce it (police).

[TheSanityAnnex]

Kind of like the 2nd Amendment
I know you've said you have never and will never own a gun for personal protection, thats fine your choice. You do have something at your house for protection though, what was it again?

[Blake]

I know you've said you have never and will never own a gun for personal protection, thats fine your choice. You do have something at your house for protection though, what was it again?

Locks

[TheSanityAnnex]

Locks
If those worked we'd never hear of robberies. You've told me before what you'd use for protection but I've forgotten.

[pgardn]

If those worked we'd never hear of robberies. You've told me before what you'd use for protection but I've forgotten.

So where do you keep your gun for easy access and protection? For your homestead?

[TheSanityAnnex]

So where do you keep your gun for easy access and protection? For your homestead?
You'll find that answer on this very page. Scroll up.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not going so well for the anti-gunners so far in this thread.

So far we've got an OP who created a false thread title and insinuated mass open carry riots, a spam bot doing his spam bot thing, a bamba that wants a separate safe for a gun/magazine/bullet/trigger finger, a cuck who doesn't see the problems with the bamba's ideas, and a manatee who quotes posters without reading the same page he's quoting...as manatees sometimes do.

Step up your games anti-gunners. I'm quickly moving to full blown archer and you are boring me with your non-sense here.

[pgardn]

You'll find that answer on this very page. Scroll up.

Nothing on this very page. So yea, it's going well for you. Thanks for the non answer.

Do you remove the gun from easy access every time you step out the door?

Do you know where the majority of guns are stolen from in a household? Where does an intruder look first to find guns to sell?

[RandomGuy]

IMO, the problem isn't with the guns themselves, nor the amount of guns in circulation. Blaming guns is a cop out. Address the issues that actually cause violence (poverty, joblessness, poor education etc) and we'll see improvements.

I don't entirely disagree.

What guns do, though, is put the capability to inflict mass casualties into the hands of violent people who want to inflict mass casualties.

Put a knife, or even a sword in the hands of a violent nut job, and he will not have the capacity to inflict 22 casualties in within 15 minutes.

[Blake]

If those worked we'd never hear of robberies. You've told me before what you'd use for protection but I've forgotten.

since I live in a good neighborhood with good locks, a break-in isn't an issue so I've forgotten too.

No need for me to be a scared pussy having a gun next to my pillow at night.

[tlongIII]

since I live in a good neighborhood with good locks, a break-in isn't an issue so I've forgotten too.

No need for me to be a scared pussy having a gun next to my pillow at night.

Sorry Mr. Blake but that makes no sense. Your WHOLE neighborhood has good locks? How do you know? Do you really think that "good locks" prevent break ins? I mean, even celebrities homes get broken into and I think their locks would be better than your whole neighborhood's locks.

I am sorry if I was rude Mr. Blake but what you said just didn't make sense to me. Plus, living in Oregon, having a gun doesn't make me a p word. Maybe it's just different in Texas.

[tlongIII]

I don't entirely disagree.

What guns do, though, is put the capability to inflict mass casualties into the hands of violent people who want to inflict mass casualties.

Put a knife, or even a sword in the hands of a violent nut job, and he will not have the capacity to inflict 22 casualties in within 15 minutes.


What if he was a trained ninja? Or if he had a knife in each hand and swung his arms around in a crowd?

[pgardn]

What if he was a trained ninja? Or if he had a knife in each hand and swung his arms around in a crowd?

Or what if he was Godzilla?

[tlongIII]

Or what if he was Godzilla?

You are sill pgardn. If he was godzilla then he would just breath that radioactive fire stuff. OOORRRRR he would just step on them. Knives would be the least of your worries.

Would godzilla be able to break through good locks though? That's the real question.

http://chickfactor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/good-lock-by-gail-o.jpg

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't entirely disagree.

What guns do, though, is put the capability to inflict mass casualties into the hands of violent people who want to inflict mass casualties.

Put a knife, or even a sword in the hands of a violent nut job, and he will not have the capacity to inflict 22 casualties in within 15 minutes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570996/At-27-dead-109-injured-gang-knife-wielding-men-attack-train-station-China.html

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–12)

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/04/a-note-on-mass-victim-knife-attacks/

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/calgary-mass-stabbing-regina-mall-attack-not-part-200145860.html

[TheSanityAnnex]

since I live in a good neighborhood with good locks, a break-in isn't an issue so I've forgotten too.

:lol keep telling yourself that.

[Frank Dux]

I believe you need a permit to own a gun. The constitution is silent as to any kind of permit requirements. If you commit and are convicted of a felony it becomes illegal to own a gun, the constitution is silent on this as well.

Constitutional rights are broadened and narrowed all the time. We have a constitutional right to bear arms but the constitution isn't specific on the type of arms we can bear. It is certainly silent on the technological advances guns and firearms have enjoyed since the late 1790s. I think that regulation of arms is a responsibility of both the state and federal governments. My method might not work, I do not pretend to be a gun expert, or an expert on gun safety. I think that there can be reasonable regulation that is instituted in the interest of public safety.

We're not talking about felons who have forfeit many of their rights as a result of their crimes.

In some states you need a permit to buy a gun. In other states you don't need a permit.

I also believe there can be reasonable legislation, but what you're suggesting isn't reasonable. It goes far deeper than obtaining than obtaining a permit, and opens up the door to discrimination on many levels.

[Bill_Brasky]

Never got the point of wanting to walk around with a gun on your hip in plain view. It does nothing but advertise that YOU are the first person the bad guy should shoot.

[vy65]

I don't entirely disagree.

What guns do, though, is put the capability to inflict mass casualties into the hands of violent people who want to inflict mass casualties.

Put a knife, or even a sword in the hands of a violent nut job, and he will not have the capacity to inflict 22 casualties in within 15 minutes.



ANFO was first used in 1970 by student protesters at the University of Wisconsin–Madison, who learned how to make and use ANFO from a Wisconsin Conservation Department booklet entitled Pothole Blasting for Wildlife,[10][14] resulting in the Sterling Hall bombing.

The ANFO car bomb was adopted by the Provisional IRA in 1972 and, by 1973, the Troubles were consuming 47,000lbs of ammonium nitrate being used for the majority of bombs.[15] The IRA detonated an ANFO truck bomb on Bishopsgate in London in 1993 killing one and causing £350 million in damage. It has also seen use by groups such as the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), and ETA.

Ramzi Yousef who was closely associated with Al Qaeda used ANFO to try to destroy the World Trade Center in 1993. A more sophisticated variant of ANFO (ammonium nitrate with nitromethane as the fuel called ANNM) was used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

In 2001 The Shijiazhuang bombings (Chinese: 靳如超爆炸案 or 石家庄"3·16"特大爆炸案) were a series of bomb blasts that rocked the city of Shijiazhuang, China on 16 March 2001. A total of 108 people were killed, and 38 others injured when within a short period of time several ANFO bombs exploded near four apartment buildings, and were characterized by China scholar Andrew Scobell as perhaps the worst terrorist act in the history of the People's Republic of China.

Improvised bombs made with agricultural-grade AN are less sensitive and less efficient than the explosive-grade variety. In November 2009, a ban on ammonium sulfate, ammonium nitrate and calcium ammonium nitrate fertilizers was imposed in the former Malakand Division – comprising the Upper Dir, Lower Dir, Swat, Chitral and Malakand districts of the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) of Pakistan, by the NWFP government, following reports that those chemicals were used by militants to make explosives.

In April 2010, police in Greece confiscated 180 kilograms of ANFO and other related material stashed in a hideaway in the Athens suburb of Kareas. The material was believed to be linked to attacks previously carried out by the "Revolutionary Struggle" terrorist group.

In January 2010, President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan also issued a decree banning the use, production, storage, purchase or sale of ammonium nitrate, after an investigation showed that militants in the Taliban insurgency had used the substance in bomb attacks.[16][17][18]

On 22 July 2011, an aluminium-powder enriched ANNM explosive, with total size of 950 kg (150 kg of aluminum powder), increasing demolition power by 10-30 percent over plain ANFO, was used in the Oslo bombing.[19][20]

A formula developed by Sandia National Laboratories which combines iron sulfate with ammonium nitrate results in an effective and cheap fertilizer which is useless as a component in an ANFO explosive; "the iron ion “grabs” the nitrate and the ammonium ion takes the sulfate ion. Iron sulfate becomes iron nitrate and ammonium nitrate becomes ammonium sulfate. This metathesis reaction occurs if someone tries to alter the fertilizer to make it detonable when mixed with a fuel." The formula was not patented, but, as of 2013, had not been marketed widely in regions such as Afghanistan where ammonium fertilizer is both needed and abused, where the formula could provide considerable mitigation against fertilizer misuse. Both iron and sulfate ions are effective fertilizers in themselves, especially in alkali soils.[21]

Nothing to see here folk, RG doing RG things.

[vy65]

IMO, the problem isn't with the guns themselves, nor the amount of guns in circulation. Blaming guns is a cop out. Address the issues that actually cause violence (poverty, joblessness, poor education etc) and we'll see improvements.

Seriously this though. The liberals in this thread are hypocritical fucks because when the issue relates to crime, then blame is laid on the lack of education, jobs, etc... Yet when the issue comes to guns, it's the gun itself which becomes the issue, and not the social environment in which it is being used.

[pgardn]

Seriously this though. The liberals in this thread are hypocritical fucks because when the issue relates to crime, then blame is laid on the lack of education, jobs, etc... Yet when the issue comes to guns, it's the gun itself which becomes the issue, and not the social environment in which it is being used.

So the Bundy situation falls under what category of environment?

[Blake]

Sorry Mr. Blake but that makes no sense. Your WHOLE neighborhood has good locks? How do you know? Do you really think that "good locks" prevent break ins? I mean, even celebrities homes get broken into and I think their locks would be better than your whole neighborhood's locks.

I am sorry if I was rude Mr. Blake but what you said just didn't make sense to me. Plus, living in Oregon, having a gun doesn't make me a p word. Maybe it's just different in Texas.

Some places you might need a gun by your pillow. If so, I guess you're being prudent to keep one.

there have been nights I accidentally left the front door unlocked. It's just not an issue where I live. In my situation, I'd have to really be a sky is falling pussy to keep a gun next to my pillow.

[Blake]

:lol keep telling yourself that.

Sorry you live in a place where you need a gun by your pillow in order to sleep at night.

[DisAsTerBot]

Some places you might need a gun by your pillow. If so, I guess you're being prudent to keep one.

there have been nights I accidentally left the front door unlocked. It's just not an issue where I live. In my situation, I'd have to really be a sky is falling pussy to keep a gun next to my pillow.

not saying you need a gun but believing that robberies are not an issue in this neighborhood or that is naive at best. Especially with an anecdote like "one time i didnt lock my frontdoor and nobody robbed me!"

[Blake]

not saying you need a gun but believing that robberies are not an issue in this neighborhood or that is naive at best. Especially with an anecdote like "one time i didnt lock my frontdoor and nobody robbed me!"

you're assuming I'm being naive without you even knowing where I live.

If I was concerned for my safety in my house at night, I'd get a gun.

Fwiw, most house robberies happen during the day by dudes scoping out the place watching patterns of occupants coming and going....a lot of times someone that has met the owner/occupant.

The chances of me getting attacked in my home is as close to zero as it gets. Just not worth getting a gun with those odds.

[pgardn]

Sorry you live in a place where you need a gun by your pillow in order to sleep at night.

Snakes attack double chins...

[TheSanityAnnex]

Sorry you live in a place where you need a gun by your pillow in order to sleep at night.

Not the case at all. Guns are a hobby for me, why would I not have one near me at night? You are so sure you are safe where you live...want to compare crime rates in our cities/towns?

[Blake]

Not the case at all. Guns are a hobby for me, why would I not have one near me at night?

Oh, you mean like how some people work on sudoku in bed, you work on your gun?


You are so sure you are safe where you live...want to compare crime rates in our cities/towns?

well I won't be moving to Sacramento even if it's safer, but if you have home invasion stats for San Antonio, sure, let's take a look.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Oh, you mean like how some people work on sudoku in bed, you work on your gun?



well I won't be moving to Sacramento even if it's safer, but if you have home invasion stats for San Antonio, sure, let's take a look.
For a guy that just spoke to another poster in this same thread about making assumptions on where one lives....seriously????


Sacramento????? :lmao

You won't find a nicer town where I live in north San Diego county.

Sacramento :lmao cause my team name says so.

Again...want to compare crime rates San Antonio?

[pgardn]

Nothing on this very page. So yea, it's going well for you. Thanks for the non answer.

Do you remove the gun from easy access every time you step out the door?

Do you know where the majority of guns are stolen from in a household? Where does an intruder look first to find guns to sell?

[TheSanityAnnex]

The gun is put in the safe every time I leave the house. It takes all of 5 seconds.

[pgardn]

The gun is put in the safe every time I leave the house. It takes all of 5 seconds.

And you never forget?

Its just like leaving a knife out, yes?

So when is it time take the gun back out?

And you keep it loaded all the time? In and out of the safe?

[Blake]

For a guy that just spoke to another poster in this same thread about making assumptions on where one lives....seriously????

Because that's exactly the same thing.

He called me naive. I'm not calling you naive.



Sacramento????? :lmao

You won't find a nicer town where I live in north San Diego county.

Sacramento :lmao cause my team name says so.

oh look who just won the internets because I guess wrong on his hometown.


Again...want to compare crime rates San Antonio?

Again...sure, go for it.

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKHeXC7L85s

[TheSanityAnnex]

And you never forget?

Its just like leaving a knife out, yes?Never forget, and no it is not just like a knife.


So when is it time take the gun back out?When I feel like it.


And you keep it loaded all the time? In and out of the safe?Loaded with one in the chamber, it's a DA/SA.

[pgardn]

Never forget, and no it is not just like a knife.

When I feel like it.

Loaded with one in the chamber, it's a DA/SA.

When do you feel like it?

Like if a squirrel runs across the roof, is that a triggering mechanism to get it out?

[TheSanityAnnex]

When do you feel like it?

Like if a squirrel runs across the roof, is that a triggering mechanism to get it out?You ask some really stupid questions. Is it really this hard for you to grasp that there are millions of extremely responsible gun owners like myself?

[Blake]

You ask some really stupid questions. Is it really this hard for you to grasp that there are millions of extremely responsible gun owners like myself?

that makes me feel better

[pgardn]

You ask some really stupid questions. Is it really this hard for you to grasp that there are millions of extremely responsible gun owners like myself?

No not at all.

Just checking how responsible you are. I have lots of friends that own guns. But they don't keep a loaded gun in their nightstand. They don't seem as fearful as you. It's interesting.

My my wife won't allow guns in our house. A kid accidentally shot another kid while she was taking piano lessons. Right in front of her. So everyone has their baggage, what's yours? And yes we (she) own guns, but they are not in the house.

[TheSanityAnnex]

since I live in a good neighborhood with good locks, a break-in isn't an issue so I've forgotten too.




(CNN) -- Sandra Bullock came face-to-face with a man who allegedly scaled a chain-link fence topped with barbed wire to get into her house last month, according to a police search warrant.

The warrant, obtained by TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/15/sandra-bullock-stalker-home-bedroom-search-warrant-weapons-son-louie/), said that Bullock, upon hearing banging inside the house around 1 a.m. June 8, found the intruder in the hall outside her bedroom door.

[TheSanityAnnex]

No not at all.

Just checking how responsible you are. I have lots of friends that own guns. But they don't keep a loaded gun in their nightstand. They don't seem as fearful as you. It's interesting.

My my wife won't allow guns in our house. A kid accidentally shot another kid while she was taking piano lessons. Right in front of her. So everyone has their baggage, what's yours? And yes we (she) own guns, but they are not in the house.

What good are your guns for protection if they aren't in your home? I'm not fearful I'm practical. If someone comes in my home I'll have the means to defend myself. It's not a guarantee that I'll come out on top but I like my odds.

[pgardn]

What good are your guns for protection if they aren't in your home? I'm not fearful I'm practical. If someone comes in my home I'll have the means to defend myself. It's not a guarantee that I'll come out on top but I like my odds.

They are her grandads. His WWII collection and his own personal handguns and hunting rifles. Stay in the family, but not in the house. Have you ever heard of such a crazy way to acquire guns, just un fathomable, eh?

I think practical involves waking up in the middle of the night to some sound that might indicate a breakin, and realizing I am usually very groggy and not on high alert, snap to marine mode. And that my chances of doing something very stupid are greater than preventing an intruder from harming me.

But that's just me, I don't wake up well, and alert. So your practical is not my practical.

[TheSanityAnnex]

They are her grandads. His WWII collection and his own personal handguns and hunting rifles. Stay in the family, but not in the house. Have you ever heard of such a crazy way to acquire guns, just un fathomable, eh?

I think practical involves waking up in the middle of the night to some sound that might indicate a breakin, and realizing I am usually very groggy and not on high alert, snap to marine mode. And that my chances of doing something very stupid are greater than preventing an intruder from harming me.

But that's just me, I don't wake up well, and alert. So your practical is not my practical.

Fair enough. I wake up easily and am alert. I also have a flashlight attached to the bedside gun to identify what I'm pointing my gun at.

[pgardn]

I am interested in the what looks to be almost reveling in the fact that people have guns to protect themselves.
Like its macho. It's weird. I would hope I would never have to use it, versus, "I dare you to step foot on my property".
Its not a mindset of protection, it's more like come and get it.

Bizarre...

[TheSanityAnnex]

I am interested in the what looks to be almost reveling in the fact that people have guns to protect themselves.
Like its macho. It's weird. I would hope I would never have to use it, versus, "I dare you to step foot on my property".
Its not a mindset of protection, it's more like come and get it.

Bizarre...

Some people probably do hope for the chance to shoot an intruder. I hope I never have to use mine. Killing someone would probably haunt me everyday, but I'd do it if my life or my loved one's life were in jeopardy, no doubt. I am responsible for my own well being, to rely on anyone else (police) is foolish.

[Blake]

(CNN) -- Sandra Bullock came face-to-face with a man who allegedly scaled a chain-link fence topped with barbed wire to get into her house last month, according to a police search warrant.

The warrant, obtained by TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/15/sandra-bullock-stalker-home-bedroom-search-warrant-weapons-son-louie/), said that Bullock, upon hearing banging inside the house around 1 a.m. June 8, found the intruder in the hall outside her bedroom door.

what are the odds that will happen to me. My guess is less than a 1% chance.

But hey, if you're scared it might happen to you, by all means, get a gun.

[boutons_deux]

what are the odds that will happen to me. My guess is less than a 1% chance.

( number of residence invasions / number of residences ) per year would give you some idea.

Probability is much higher that your gun will kill yourself, your family, friends, strangers before it will kill a residence invader.

[cantthinkofanything]

( number of residence invasions / number of residences ) per year would give you some idea.

Probability is much higher that your gun will kill yourself, your family, friends, strangers before it will kill a residence invader.

I have much more control over one of those probabilities. With just a little bit of thought and precaution, I can lower the 2nd one you mentioned to just about 0.

And if someone does get into my house, and if I have a gun, I can also lower the probability that he will hurt my family as well.

I'm curious boutons...how do you protect your home?

[TheSanityAnnex]

what are the odds that will happen to me. My guess is less than a 1% chance.

But hey, if you're scared it might happen to you, by all means, get a gun.

San Antonio in general is much higher than a 1% chance. Care to let us know exactly where in San Antonio you are so we can get an actual number?

[Blake]

San Antonio in general is much higher than a 1% chance. Care to let us know exactly where in San Antonio you are so we can get an actual number?

Northside. Yeah, I'd be interested in an actual number.

[pgardn]

You really have to assess your own personal situation.


We all get into cars with other drivers on the road that could easily kill us. With all these driver wanted signs posted on the backs of 18 wheeled vehicles here in South Texas... We as a society have accepted death by car as a biproduct. Don't take away my transportation freedom, that's the rallying cry. 16 year olds and people who can't see are react any more are driving tonnage. 75 mph speed zones in some places?

We make our choices on acceptable deaths.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Northside. Yeah, I'd be interested in an actual number.Can't really search it by "northside" and I know you probably don't want to reveal what part of northside so you'll have to search yourself.

I just hope this never happens to you, especially if you have kids.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/learning-heal-violent-home-invasion-083807265.html

liberals now gun owners after violent home invasion

[ChumpDumper]

The only people who want to hurt me are SA210, SBM and Roberto Diaz and all of them think I am some dude named David.

[Blake]

Can't really search it by "northside" and I know you probably don't want to reveal what part of northside so you'll have to search yourself.

I just hope this never happens to you, especially if you have kids.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/learning-heal-violent-home-invasion-083807265.html

liberals now gun owners after violent home invasion

National average of burglaries is roughly 3.7 million per year

"In contrast, the rate of household burglary when someone was home remained stable between 2000 (8.5 per 1,000 households) and 2007 (8.3 per 1,000 households."

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt

So roughly a .84% chance on national average?

I can't imagine it's any higher where I live.

[Blake]

The only people who want to hurt me are SA210, SBM and Roberto Diaz and all of them think I am some dude named David.

xmas said he wanted to hurt you but I guess that was a bad joke on his part

[cantthinkofanything]

xmas said he wanted to hurt you but I guess that was a bad joke on his part

He meant like a hot dog splits a fragile bun

[TheSanityAnnex]

National average of burglaries is roughly 3.7 million per year

"In contrast, the rate of household burglary when someone was home remained stable between 2000 (8.5 per 1,000 households) and 2007 (8.3 per 1,000 households."

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt

So roughly a .84% chance on national average?

I can't imagine it's any higher where I live.

http://www.usa.com/san-antonio-tx-crime-and-crime-rate.htm

The San Antonio crime rate is higher than the Texas average crime rate and is much higher than the national average crime rate.


Crime Index, #650 (http://www.usa.com/rank/texas-state--crime-index--city-rank.htm?hl=San+Antonio&hlst=TX)



San Antonio, TX
2,965.79


Texas
2,039.24


U.S.
1,723.80


The crime index value is calculated based on the data using USA.com algorithms. It is an indicator of the crime level in a region. Higher crime index value means more crime.

[pgardn]

The only people who want to hurt me are SA210, SBM and Roberto Diaz and all of them think I am some dude named David.

Many of the same posters I have on ignore.
Coincidence... I think not.

[Blake]

http://www.usa.com/san-antonio-tx-crime-and-crime-rate.htm

The San Antonio crime rate is higher than the Texas average crime rate and is much higher than the national average crime rate.


Crime Index, #650 (http://www.usa.com/rank/texas-state--crime-index--city-rank.htm?hl=San+Antonio&hlst=TX)



San Antonio, TX
2,965.79


Texas
2,039.24


U.S.
1,723.80


The crime index value is calculated based on the data using USA.com algorithms. It is an indicator of the crime level in a region. Higher crime index value means more crime.

We're talking about a specific crime. You're going to have to narrow it down to home invasion.

[TheSanityAnnex]

We're talking about a specific crime. You're going to have to narrow it down to home invasion.

Then you'll have to get specific on where exactly you live, and I know you don't want to do it publicly so search yourself. It's really moot though, you feel your house/neighborhood is invincible, kudos to you.

[Blake]

Then you'll have to get specific on where exactly you live, and I know you don't want to do it publicly so search yourself. It's really moot though, you feel your house/neighborhood is invincible, kudos to you.

I live in San Antonio, dumbass. You don't need to know my street address for basic stats.

But since you can't do it, I went ahead and found it:

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tx/san-antonio/crime/

burglary rate in SA is 11.4 per 1000......ie, there's basically a 1.1% chance I get burglarized.

But keep trying to fear monger with updates on Sandra Bullock.

[TheSanityAnnex]

We're talking about a specific crime. You're going to have to narrow it down to home invasion.Do murders, rapes, robberies, and assaults only happen outside the home?

[Blake]

Do murders, rapes, robberies, and assaults only happen outside the home?

Ok so what are the odds I let someone in of my own free will who turns around and assaults me?

I'm guessing still around 1%.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Ok so what are the odds I let someone in of my own free will who turns around and assaults me?

I'm guessing still around 1%.
Like I said earlier kudos to you for being okay being unarmed with the 1% chance it happens. Even though the chance is small I don't see why one wouldn't want a firearm if it did happen. There's no pretending that firearms haven't stopped them from happening, if you believe in your chances that's up to you, I'd just rather be prepared and at least have an advantage.

What's your plan if it does happen to you? How will you protect yourself from a home invader? How will you protect your children? How about an armed home invader?

[Blake]

Too many unknown variables to come up with a decent protection plan, even if you have a gun.

My plan would be to follow my emergency evacuation plan.

Grab my phone, keys, wallet, grab my daughter if she's with me, lock her bedroom door behind us and get out through her window. Go to neighbors, call the cops and figure things out from there.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Too many unknown variables to come up with a decent protection plan, even if you have a gun.

My plan would be to follow my emergency evacuation plan.

Grab my phone, keys, wallet, grab my daughter if she's with me, lock her bedroom door behind us and get out through her window. Go to neighbors, call the cops and figure things out from there.


Sounds like you've planned for a nice and peaceful home invasion. Best of luck to you and your daughter if it ever happens. For the sake of your daughter and plan I hope it never does. Luck is on your side right only 1% chance.

[Blake]

Lol fear mongering

[TheSanityAnnex]

lol home invasion utopia