Interesting Championship Statistic

[024]

I was just browsing basketball reference and noticed the site puts the win share statistics on the team page. This is probably so we can see roughly who was the best player on that team during that year. For the Spurs, I was initially curious to see when Tim Duncan started to hand the reins to Parker and Ginobili. It was not surprising that Duncan topped the win shares during his first four NBA championships. It was also not surprising that Leonard became the top win share player this championship year. I became curious about all the other years so I dug further into all the previous championship teams since the Duncan era:

1999 - Tim Duncan
2000 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2002 - Shaq
2003 - Tim Duncan
2004 - Chauncey Billups
2005 - Tim Duncan
2006 - Dwyane Wade
2007 - Tim Duncan
2008 - Kevin Garnett
2009 - Pau Gasol
2010 - Pau Gasol
2011 - Dirk Nowitzki
2012 - Lebron James
2013 - Lebron James
2014 - Kawhi Leonard

Analysis:

- The list turned out to be quite accurate. Tim Duncan was the top player for four championship teams. When Duncan declined slightly and Ginobili and Parker took over, no question the Spurs suffered through a drought. It wasn't until Leonard emerged in 2014 that the Spurs could finally reclaim the championship. The same goes for the 2008 Celtics. Pierce suffered in NBA purgatory until the Garnett trade finally gave the Celtics a finals trip. Garnett never maintained his 2008 high level play due to injury and the Celtics could not win another championship.

- There is one player conspicuously missing. No question Shaq was the best player during the Lakers 3 peat. And when Kobe took over as the best player for the Lakers, the Lakers predictably tumbled. However, the arrival and dominance of Pau Gasol in 2009 and 2010 lifted the Lakers into a championship. It makes sense that Kobe is not on this list. It is the same reason players like Parker, Ray Allen, Jason Terry, Chris Bosh, and Ginobili are not on this list.

- From this list we can roughly compile a list of the top players of the Duncan Era. The count is:

Duncan: 4
Shaq: 3
Lebron James: 2
Pau Gasol: 2
Dirk Nowitzki: 1
Dwyane Wade: 1
Chancey Billups:1
Kawhi Leonard: 1
Kevin Garnett: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0

Sources:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/

[Thread]

I was just browsing basketball reference and noticed the site puts the win share statistics on the team page. This is probably so we can see roughly who was the best player on that team during that year. For the Spurs, I was initially curious to see when Tim Duncan started to hand the reins to Parker and Ginobili. It was not surprising that Duncan topped the win shares during his first four NBA championships. It was also not surprising that Leonard became the top win share player this championship year. I became curious about all the other years so I dug further into all the previous championship teams since the Duncan era:

1999 - Tim Duncan
2000 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2002 - Shaq
2003 - Tim Duncan
2004 - Chauncey Billups
2005 - Tim Duncan
2006 - Dwyane Wade
2007 - Tim Duncan
2008 - Kevin Garnett
2009 - Pau Gasol
2010 - Pau Gasol
2011 - Dirk Nowitzki
2012 - Lebron James
2013 - Lebron James
2014 - Kawhi Leonard

Analysis:

- The list turned out to be quite accurate. Tim Duncan was the top player for four championship teams. When Duncan declined slightly and Ginobili and Parker took over, no question the Spurs suffered through a drought. It wasn't until Leonard emerged in 2014 that the Spurs could finally reclaim the championship. The same goes for the 2008 Celtics. Pierce suffered in NBA purgatory until the Garnett trade finally gave the Celtics a finals trip. Garnett never maintained his 2008 high level play due to injury and the Celtics could not win another championship.

- There is one player conspicuously missing. No question Shaq was the best player during the Lakers 3 peat. And when Kobe took over as the best player for the Lakers, the Lakers predictably tumbled. However, the arrival and dominance of Pau Gasol in 2009 and 2010 lifted the Lakers into a championship. It makes sense that Kobe is not on this list. It is the same reason players like Parker, Ray Allen, Jason Terry, Chris Bosh, and Ginobili are not on this list.

- From this list we can roughly compile a list of the top players of the Duncan Era. The count is:

Duncan: 4
Shaq: 3
Lebron James: 2
Pau Gasol: 2
Dirk Nowitzki: 1
Dwyane Wade: 1
Chancey Billups:1
Kawhi Leonard: 1
Kevin Garnett: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0

Sources:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/

Boiled down:::

Duncan gave an NBA Title back last June.

[TDMVPDPOY]

so is it still enriques team? or just during the rs only?

cause PO is where duncan makes a living

[mudyez]

:tu

[Thread]

cause PO is where duncan makes a living

Last June withstanding. He ended up face ass down broke.

[MeloHype]

Boiled down:::

Duncan gave an NBA Title back last June.Boiled down:::
Kobe: 5
Duncan: 5

[Drachen]

So was Kobe always a beta or s it even worse in some years?

[Splits]

I was just browsing basketball reference and noticed the site puts the win share statistics on the team page. This is probably so we can see roughly who was the best player on that team during that year. For the Spurs, I was initially curious to see when Tim Duncan started to hand the reins to Parker and Ginobili. It was not surprising that Duncan topped the win shares during his first four NBA championships. It was also not surprising that Leonard became the top win share player this championship year. I became curious about all the other years so I dug further into all the previous championship teams since the Duncan era:

1999 - Tim Duncan
2000 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2002 - Shaq
2003 - Tim Duncan
2004 - Chauncey Billups
2005 - Tim Duncan
2006 - Dwyane Wade
2007 - Tim Duncan
2008 - Kevin Garnett
2009 - Pau Gasol
2010 - Pau Gasol
2011 - Dirk Nowitzki
2012 - Lebron James
2013 - Lebron James
2014 - Kawhi Leonard

Analysis:

- The list turned out to be quite accurate. Tim Duncan was the top player for four championship teams. When Duncan declined slightly and Ginobili and Parker took over, no question the Spurs suffered through a drought. It wasn't until Leonard emerged in 2014 that the Spurs could finally reclaim the championship. The same goes for the 2008 Celtics. Pierce suffered in NBA purgatory until the Garnett trade finally gave the Celtics a finals trip. Garnett never maintained his 2008 high level play due to injury and the Celtics could not win another championship.

- There is one player conspicuously missing. No question Shaq was the best player during the Lakers 3 peat. And when Kobe took over as the best player for the Lakers, the Lakers predictably tumbled. However, the arrival and dominance of Pau Gasol in 2009 and 2010 lifted the Lakers into a championship. It makes sense that Kobe is not on this list. It is the same reason players like Parker, Ray Allen, Jason Terry, Chris Bosh, and Ginobili are not on this list.

- From this list we can roughly compile a list of the top players of the Duncan Era. The count is:

Duncan: 4
Shaq: 3
Lebron James: 2
Pau Gasol: 2
Dirk Nowitzki: 1
Dwyane Wade: 1
Chancey Billups:1
Kawhi Leonard: 1
Kevin Garnett: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0

Sources:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/

Solid analysis. And if you go back and look at the 91-98 Bulls you see Jordan 6 (all rings) and Pippen 2 (no rings, Jordan playing american cricket).

Similarly, 03-08 Lakers is all Kobe but 0 rings.

More evidence that the Jordan/Kobe comparison is pure media fellatio, the more appropriate comparison is Kobe/Pippen.

[RD2191]

:corn:

[Clipper Nation]

Undeniable proof that MVPau was the alpha and Kirby is a role playerPERIOD

[spurraider21]

Boiled down:::

Duncan gave an NBA Title back last June.
:lol I knew you'd show up when I saw that long post

[Mugen]

Boiled down:::

Duncan gave an NBA Title back last June.

Hey spitshines, Duncan got it back not even 3 weeks ago.

[RsxPiimp]

Advance stats are for nerds. The eye test is what truly counts. You think NBA legends have advance metrics in their hands when watching the game? No. It's about the fire and killer instinct, something that doesn't show up in a stat sheet.:lol

[Aztecfan03]

Boiled down:::

Duncan gave an NBA Title back last June.

No that is not what this boils down to.

[Leetonidas]

Advance stats are for nerds. The eye test is what truly counts. You think NBA legends have advance metrics in their hands when watching the game? No. It's about the fire and killer instinct, something that doesn't show up in a stat sheet.:lol

:lmao

[TampaDude]

I was just browsing basketball reference and noticed the site puts the win share statistics on the team page. This is probably so we can see roughly who was the best player on that team during that year. For the Spurs, I was initially curious to see when Tim Duncan started to hand the reins to Parker and Ginobili. It was not surprising that Duncan topped the win shares during his first four NBA championships. It was also not surprising that Leonard became the top win share player this championship year. I became curious about all the other years so I dug further into all the previous championship teams since the Duncan era:

1999 - Tim Duncan
2000 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2002 - Shaq
2003 - Tim Duncan
2004 - Chauncey Billups
2005 - Tim Duncan
2006 - Dwyane Wade
2007 - Tim Duncan
2008 - Kevin Garnett
2009 - Pau Gasol
2010 - Pau Gasol
2011 - Dirk Nowitzki
2012 - Lebron James
2013 - Lebron James
2014 - Kawhi Leonard

Analysis:

- The list turned out to be quite accurate. Tim Duncan was the top player for four championship teams. When Duncan declined slightly and Ginobili and Parker took over, no question the Spurs suffered through a drought. It wasn't until Leonard emerged in 2014 that the Spurs could finally reclaim the championship. The same goes for the 2008 Celtics. Pierce suffered in NBA purgatory until the Garnett trade finally gave the Celtics a finals trip. Garnett never maintained his 2008 high level play due to injury and the Celtics could not win another championship.

- There is one player conspicuously missing. No question Shaq was the best player during the Lakers 3 peat. And when Kobe took over as the best player for the Lakers, the Lakers predictably tumbled. However, the arrival and dominance of Pau Gasol in 2009 and 2010 lifted the Lakers into a championship. It makes sense that Kobe is not on this list. It is the same reason players like Parker, Ray Allen, Jason Terry, Chris Bosh, and Ginobili are not on this list.

- From this list we can roughly compile a list of the top players of the Duncan Era. The count is:

Duncan: 4
Shaq: 3
Lebron James: 2
Pau Gasol: 2
Dirk Nowitzki: 1
Dwyane Wade: 1
Chancey Billups:1
Kawhi Leonard: 1
Kevin Garnett: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0

Sources:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/

BOILED DOWN:::

DUNCAN > KOBE

Let us proceed...

[callo1]

Provides verification for what was already known, relative to our own eye tests.

[Brunodf]

Grass is green thread tbh

[RsxPiimp]

:lmao

Word son:hat

[Clipper Nation]

Advance stats are for nerds. The eye test is what truly counts. You think NBA legends have advance metrics in their hands when watching the game? No. It's about the fire and killer instinct, something that doesn't show up in a stat sheet.:lol
Here's a stat for you: Duncan>Kirby

[Splits]

Here's a stat for you: Duncan>Kirby

Now THAT passes the eye test.

[spurraider21]

Advance stats are for nerds. The eye test is what truly counts. You think NBA legends have advance metrics in their hands when watching the game? No. It's about the fire and killer instinct, something that doesn't show up in a stat sheet.:lol
:lmao holy shit... i hope blue font was intended

[Malik Hairston]

MVPAU:(:(

[ambchang]

It actually applied all the way back to the Jordan days:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211829&highlight=win+shares.

It also generally works for the playoffs, but again, playoffs are more about match ups and stuff. Parker vs. the Cavs in 07 was an example of this, and if you have a player who have favourable matchups for a few series, you can skew the series pretty good.

But we all know Kobe's best days were 05 to 07, when he led the Lakers a phenomenal 2 playoffs out of the 3 years with total crap supporting players like 15.5ppg/6 reb Caron Butler (better numbers than Duncan's number 2 in 00/01 Derek Anderson), and a 15/10/4 Lamar Odom.

[elmanutres]

Boiled down:::

Duncan gave an NBA Title back last June.

whats your point thready? kobe gave back 2 titles in 04 and 08. He could've topped jordan, but now its Duncan 5 > kobe 5

Now he has to live in fear of duncan possibly going 6

[KaiRMD1]

Boiled down:::

Duncan gave an NBA Title back last June.

Kobe never had a title to give back perhaps ol' sport?

[Kool Bob Love]

Boiled down:::

Duncan gave an NBA Title back last June.

You mean 2 Junes ago. Last June he bend you over and showed you FIVE. Made you love it too.

[Thread]

Hey spitshines, Duncan got it back not even 3 weeks ago.

You don't get that back, ever. It's gone.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 5

[Thread]

You mean 2 Junes ago. Last June he bend you over and showed you FIVE. Made you love it too.

No. Last June. This June he lodged his 5th. Next June is next year.

[Thread]

whats your point thready? kobe gave back 2 titles in 04 and 08. He could've topped jordan, but now its Duncan 5 > kobe 5

Now he has to live in fear of duncan possibly going 6

No. Yours was in the case. Ours was never in there. They were selling your Championship crapola on the TV. You're light 1...forever.

[moisaenz]

Boiled down Duncan beat the Pistons team that disintegrated Shaq & Kobe.

[elmanutres]

No. Yours was in the case. Ours was never in there. They were selling your Championship crapola on the TV. You're light 1...forever.

Really, because i'm sure 2004 was yours. you stacked superstars expecting to buy your way to a ship. you were the ultimate favorites. No one gave the starless pistons any chance. You were suppose to steamroll them. But what happened? You collapsed and had no answer. All the vets, experience and starpower just gave you just one measly win you barely scraped by in ot. It was yours, and the starless blue collar workers from Detroit took it.

Yea you won 2010. yea it was sweet to get revenge, reminds me our run this year. But guess what. It will never make up for 39. I can even go as far of that cute superteam you build 2 years ago. We apparently weren't suppose to be there. You let that coward and nash come in and you all jizzed your pants. Proclaiming yourselves champions before a game started. Thinking nobody, not even the heat had a chance. And don't tell me no, because you guys posted a million threads on how the season was over. It was yours. And what happened? The old man came in and swept them off their own floor. Not a fucking win. Point is, any runner up is "light" of of a run. We're light of 1. You're light of 15.



And not a dam thing you and I can do about it.

[ezau]

Boiled down:::

Duncan>Kobe and I love it

[ezau]

Last June withstanding. He ended up face ass down broke.

At the end of the day, this simple equation sums up all the truth in the basketball universe: Duncan>Kobe.

[ezau]

You don't get that back, ever. It's gone.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 5

Duncan took it back and wrote the most beautiful equation in the basketball universe: Duncan>Kobe.

[Thread]

Really, because i'm sure 2004 was yours. you stacked superstars expecting to buy your way to a ship. you were the ultimate favorites. No one gave the starless pistons any chance. You were suppose to steamroll them. But what happened? You collapsed and had no answer. All the vets, experience and starpower just gave you just one measly win you barely scraped by in ot. It was yours, and the starless blue collar workers from Detroit took it.

Yea you won 2010. yea it was sweet to get revenge, reminds me our run this year. But guess what. It will never make up for 39. I can even go as far of that cute superteam you build 2 years ago. We apparently weren't suppose to be there. You let that coward and nash come in and you all jizzed your pants. Proclaiming yourselves champions before a game started. Thinking nobody, not even the heat had a chance. And don't tell me no, because you guys posted a million threads on how the season was over. It was yours. And what happened? The old man came in and swept them off their own floor. Not a fucking win. Point is, any runner up is "light" of of a run. We're light of 1. You're light of 15.



And not a dam thing you and I can do about it.

No. Yours was in the case. You fucked up. I've no sympathy for you.

Now,

Let us proceed...

The Bay stays in Texas.

[Thread]

Duncan took it back and wrote the most beautiful equation in the basketball universe: Duncan>Kobe.

The Bag stays in Texas.

[Mikeanaro]

Lol Klobe is a Tired Old Fart Bag right now, so fat that looks like Barkley
http://www.clker.com/cliparts/0/f/2/b/12456414081082199629johnny_automatic_laughter.svg. hi.png

[Thread]

^Another piss pot chickenshit from upstairs. I spit on you.

[ezau]

The Bag stays in Texas.

Duncan>Kobe. Let us proceed.

[Thread]

^The Bag stays in Texas.

[duncFan]

Duncan>Kobe. Let us proceed.

[Thread]

^Yet another piss pot chickenshit from upstairs. I spit on you.

[duncFan]

Duncan>Kobe. Let us proceed.

[024]

It actually applied all the way back to the Jordan days:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211829&highlight=win+shares.

It also generally works for the playoffs, but again, playoffs are more about match ups and stuff. Parker vs. the Cavs in 07 was an example of this, and if you have a player who have favourable matchups for a few series, you can skew the series pretty good.

But we all know Kobe's best days were 05 to 07, when he led the Lakers a phenomenal 2 playoffs out of the 3 years with total crap supporting players like 15.5ppg/6 reb Caron Butler (better numbers than Duncan's number 2 in 00/01 Derek Anderson), and a 15/10/4 Lamar Odom.
Your chart is definitely more comprehensive than mine. I was just wondering how the playoffs win share counts would look. I agree that all 3 metrics of RS win shares, PO win shares, and finals MVP are statistically significant. RS win shares provide a large sample size for the entire season, playoff win shares demonstrate how much a player contributes in the playoffs, and finals MVP indicates who can perform at the highest level. Just for fun, if we add RS win shares, PO win shares, and finals MVP together, we get an even clearer picture of the top players of the Duncan era:

Duncan: 11 (top playoff win share player for the Spurs during 2014 title run)
Shaq: 8
Lebron: 6 (2013 sweep of RS, PO, and finals MVP)
Kobe: 4
Dirk: 3
Wade: 3
Gasol: 3
Billups: 3
Garnett: 2
Leonard: 2
Ginobili: 1
Parker: 1
Pierce: 1

Total: 48 (1999-2014 = 16 years x 3 categories)

All of a sudden, the list begins to round out nicely, with Kobe taking his rightful place on the list after Duncan, Shaq, and Lebron. Duncan also widens his lead over the other players of his era.

[Galileo]

Duncan had more win shares than anyone in the 2014 NBA playoffs other than Lebron James.

Given that almost all of their wins were blowouts, the one clutch moment was OT in game 6 vs OKC where Duncan sored 7 straight points to ice the series.

[marzbarz]

No. Yours was in the case. You fucked up. I've no sympathy for you.

Now,

Let us proceed...

The Bay stays in Texas.

Redemption :lobt:

[Thread]

Duncan had more win shares than anyone in the 2014 NBA playoffs other than Lebron James.

Given that almost all of their wins were blowouts, the one clutch moment was OT in game 6 vs OKC where Duncan sored 7 straight points to ice the series.

Another piss pot chickenshit from upstairs. I spit on you.

[Thread]

Redemption :lobt:

Another piss pot chickenshit from upstairs. I piss on you.

[Thread]

Duncan>Kobe. Let us proceed.

Another piss pot chickenshit from upstairs. I spit on you.

[Thread]

Duncan>Kobe. Let us proceed.

Another piss potPERIOD

[TampaDude]

Another piss pot chickenshit from upstairs. I spit on you.

Dude...you sound like my alcoholic father did when he would be shitfaced. It's pretty damn sad, actually.

[Thread]

Dude...you sound like my alcoholic father did when he would be shitfaced. It's pretty damn sad, actually.

Well, damn, Tamps, it is wrong for them to show up down here after they hid upstairs for years.

[TampaDude]

Well, damn, Tamps, it is wrong for them to show up down here after they hid upstairs for years.

Last time I checked, this was a Spurs board, brah.

[Thread]

Last time I checked, this was a Spurs board, brah.

This is the NBA Forum. They stayed up there with the door locked. Now they want to come down after they've rung and post with men,,,& Swordsy.

I can't believe I'm the only who has this opinion. Christ, you took the 5-4 for years while they stayed safe up there. Are you not insulted by their presence?

[TampaDude]

This is the NBA Forum. They stayed up there with the door locked. Now they want to come down after they've rung and post with men,,,& Swordsy.

I can't believe I'm the only who has this opinion. Christ, you took the 5-4 for years while they stayed safe up there. Are you not insulted by their presence?

Ah...so you can't post in the Spurs section at all?

[Thread]

Ah...so you can't post in the Spurs section at all?

Of course not. She ran me off shortly after Duncan missed those layups. She had no restraint, no decency.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Advance stats are for nerds. The eye test is what truly counts. You think NBA legends have advance metrics in their hands when watching the game? No. It's about the fire and killer instinct, something that doesn't show up in a stat sheet.:lol

And Isaiah Thomas and Michael Jordan demonstrate typical NBA legends eye for talent.

[rogues]

:lol Annnnd people wonder why this forum is becoming more and more uninteresting..every fucking thread or post turns into some anti-Laker shit:lol..the Lakers are one of the worst teams in the league at the moment and will remain that way for yyyyyyears.

Get some new material..

[TampaDude]

Of course not. She ran me off shortly after Duncan missed those layups. She had no restraint, no decency.

Heh...so you're collateral damage from 6? Wow.

I feel ya, brah...they shouldn't dish it if they can't take it...fair is fair...

[Thread]

:lol Annnnd people wonder why this forum is becoming more and more uninteresting..every fucking thread or post turns into some anti-Laker shit:lol..the Lakers are one of the worst teams in the league at the moment and will remain that way for yyyyyyears.

Get some new material..

Well, if you'd a acted like somebody instead of crawling I'd still have a foothold.

Asshole.

[Thread]

Heh...so you're collateral damage from 6? Wow.

I feel ya, brah...they shouldn't dish it if they can't take it...fair is fair...

I barely said two words and I was thrown out the door and down the steps.

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So it doesn't bother you that these guys come down here now---now that the coast is clear?

[TampaDude]

I barely said two words and I was thrown out the door and down the steps.

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So it doesn't bother you that these guys come down here now---now that the coast is clear?

I ain't their daddy, man.

[scanry]

I barely said two words and I was thrown out the door and down the steps.

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So it doesn't bother you that these guys come down here now---now that the coast is clear?

Most of the new ones just signed up after the Spurs rang. It's bound to happen as people bandwagon winners. However i do agree that the ones who shielded themselves from criticism didn't find the NBA Forum to their liking. Now that they've rang, they can't help but peek.

[Nathan89]

Of course not. She ran me off shortly after Duncan missed those layups. She had no restraint, no decency.

That's what you get for trying to kick someone when they're down.

[Aztecfan03]

Well, damn, Tamps, it is wrong for them to show up down here after they hid upstairs for years.

Incorrect.

[ezau]

Another piss potPERIODAll 29 teams tried, yet only one WonPeriod. Duncan>Kobe

[ezau]

This is the NBA Forum. They stayed up there with the door locked. Now they want to come down after they've rung and post with men,,,& Swordsy. I can't believe I'm the only who has this opinion. Christ, you took the 5-4 for years while they stayed safe up there. Are you not insulted by their presence?There is only one truth that you must accept: Duncan>Kobe. There's more truth to that than your troops accepting defeat at the hands of those fucking Viet Congs.

[Thread]

There is only one truth that you must accept: Duncan>Kobe. There's more truth to that than your troops accepting defeat at the hands of those fucking Viet Congs.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 5

[Thread]

Incorrect.

Another piss pot chickenshit from upstairs.

I spit on you.

[Thread]

That's what you get for trying to kick someone when they're down.

It was weak. She's like everyone else:::She can dish it,,,she cannot take it.

[Thread]

Most of the new ones just signed up after the Spurs rang. It's bound to happen as people bandwagon winners. However i do agree that the ones who shielded themselves from criticism didn't find the NBA Forum to their liking. Now that they've rang, they can't help but peek.

They ain't just signed up. They're post counts are high. They've been up there waiting for 5 to come down here and post with men. No. They ain't doin' it. Not on my fuckin' time. No way.

[scanry]

They ain't just signed up. They're post counts are high. They've been up there waiting for 5 to come down here and post with men. No. They ain't doin' it. Not on my fuckin' time. No way.

Why does that bother you though? They're like every fanbase after ringing, well except the Mavs. Them Mavs Krew went MIA during the 2011 summer. I believe Big Ghazi went to the Middle East and shagged them camel jockeys.

[ambchang]

This is the NBA Forum. They stayed up there with the door locked. Now they want to come down after they've rung and post with men,,,& Swordsy.

I can't believe I'm the only who has this opinion. Christ, you took the 5-4 for years while they stayed safe up there. Are you not insulted by their presence?

And you were hiding the entire playoffs this year and last.

You chickenshit.

[Thread]

And you were hiding the entire playoffs this year and last.

You chickenshit.

Win & lost I showed up. They ain't postin' in here.

[ezau]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 5

Duncan>Kobe. Let us proceed.

[Thread]

Duncan>Kobe. Let us proceed.

Your regrets are your own. I've no sympathy for you. By God, the next time you're up 5 with 28 seconds in a close out you'll know better. Until then:::

The Bag stays in Texas.

[ezau]

Your regrets are your own. I've no sympathy for you. By God, the next time you're up 5 with 28 seconds in a close out you'll know better. Until then:::

The Bag stays in Texas.

June 14, 2014

5 rings

surpasses Kirby

Let us proceed.

[Thread]

June 14, 2014

5 rings

surpasses Kirby

Let us proceed.

Nope. You fucked up last June and now you want your old dad to forget about that.

No way. You grew...You chew it.

[ezau]

Nope. You fucked up last June and now you want your old dad to forget about that.

No way. You grew...You chew it.

Duncan:


5 rings
3 FMVPS
2 MVPS


Kobe:


5 Rings
2 FMVPs
1 MVP


Boiled down:


Duncan>Kobe

[Thread]

Duncan:


5 rings
3 FMVPS
2 MVPS


Kobe:


5 Rings
2 FMVPs
1 MVP


Boiled down:


Duncan>Kobe

The Bag stays in Texas.

[Aztecfan03]

They ain't just signed up. They're post counts are high. They've been up there waiting for 5 to come down here and post with men. No. They ain't doin' it. Not on my fuckin' time. No way.

incorrect

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incorrect

You're a piss pot & a chickenshit. I spit on you.

[ezau]

The Bag stays in Texas.

Yet Duncan>Kobe despite 6 because Kobe didn't do anything to beat Timmy. KobeFailed and you know it.

[Thread]

Yet Duncan>Kobe despite 6 because Kobe didn't do anything to beat Timmy. KobeFailed and you know it.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 5

[ezau]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 5

Duncan:


5 rings
3 FMVPS
2 MVPS


Kobe:


5 Rings
2 FMVPs
1 MVP


Boiled down:


Duncan>Kobe

[TampaDude]

June 14, 2014

5 rings

surpasses Kirby

Let us proceed.

June 15th, 2014, dude. Duncan rang on Fathers Day.

[DMC]

All the evidence you need to prove Pau>Kobe is that even Lakers fans agree, thus all the registrations here post Pau. What, did the years after Shaq and pre_Pau, where Kobe won the MVP and did the 81 point consolation prize game not inspire Lakers fans enough to branch out and talk shit? No. It was Pau. Post Pau Laker fan posters have self-incriminated.

Kobe was carried to 7 Finals, and since Pau was a new comer in his first 3 seasons, Kobe was gifted the Finals MVP when it was rightfully Pau's award.

[Thread]

All the evidence you need to prove Pau>Kobe is that even Lakers fans agree, thus all the registrations here post Pau. What, did the years after Shaq and pre_Pau, where Kobe won the MVP and did the 81 point consolation prize game not inspire Lakers fans enough to branch out and talk shit? No. It was Pau. Post Pau Laker fan posters have self-incriminated.

Though Pau can't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand + The Bag stays in Texas.

[DMC]

Though Pau can't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand + The Bag stays in Texas.

The bag is out of your control. Your boy hasn't played a post season game in 2 years and your team hasn't won a post season game in 2 years. The bag is not only attached to Kobe's hip permanently, it's also ready to be emptied.

[Clipper Nation]

Though Pau can't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand + The Bag stays in Texas.
Nuh uh. Kirby dons the bag; Kirby was shinin' shoes 'twixt Daddy & MVPau.

[Thread]

The bag is out of your control. Your boy hasn't played a post season game in 2 years and your team hasn't won a post season game in 2 years. The bag is not only attached to Kobe's hip permanently, it's also ready to be emptied.

Doesn't matter. The ground rules for The Bag were spelled out in plain English on numerous occasions. Everybody knew the protocol. The chickens have come home to roost from last June. Don't blame me. I told you fellows then you'd have to answer for that.

Quit ruminating about it. Chances are you'll ring again before Kobe and then I'll have The Bag. Until then though:::

The Bay stays in Texas.

[DMC]

Doesn't matter. The ground rules for The Bag were spelled out in plain English on numerous occasions. Everybody knew the protocol. The chickens have come home to roost from last June. Don't blame me. I told you fellows then you'd have to answer for that.

Quit ruminating about it. Chances are you'll ring again before Kobe and then I'll have The Bag. Until then though:::

The Bay stays in Texas.

"shhhhhhhh" -Tim Duncan, June 2014

[Thread]

I don't think anyone really cares who you assign the moniker to, because you've obviously conflicted with confirmation bias, grief and denial. Those of us who see clearly know damn well that the younger guy with less hardware, more help and no recent sightings is the shit bag owner.

Then quit talking about it & nagging me.

The Bag stays in Texas.

[Thread]

"shhhhhhhh" -Tim Duncan, June 2014

lmemulatedao!!!

[Clipper Nation]

Then quit talking about it & nagging me.

The Bag stays in Texas.
With Kirby in it.

[ambchang]

Win & lost I showed up. They ain't postin' in here.

And yet you were hiding when your chances of making incorrect statements were highest. There's no two ways about it.

You hid, you only showed up when it's safe. Then you came up with a horrible schtick that contradicted with your previous persona, hoping and praying that people wouldn't notice because of your long absence.

[Thread]

And yet you were hiding when your chances of making incorrect statements were highest. There's no two ways about it.

You hid, you only showed up when it's safe. Then you came up with a horrible schtick that contradicted with your previous persona, hoping and praying that people wouldn't notice because of your long absence.

Win or lose I was here. They ain't postin' in here, amb and that's all there to it.

[ambchang]

Win or lose I was here. They ain't postin' in here, amb and that's all there to it.

Issue is kettle calling pot.

You were the same.

[Thread]

Issue is kettle calling pot.

You were the same.

I was here win or lose. They ain't postin' in here and that is just the way it's gonna be. No. Uh, uh.

[marzbarz]

Nope. You fucked up last June and now you want your old dad to forget about that.

No way. You grew...You chew it.

Redemption :lobt2:

[Thread]

^Yet another piss pot chickenshit from upstairs. I spit on you.

[ambchang]

I was here win or lose. They ain't postin' in here and that is just the way it's gonna be. No. Uh, uh.

You were hiding. You were one of them.

[Thread]

You were hiding. You were one of them.

I'm here win or lose. They ain't postin' in here, amb. No fuckin' way. No.

[ezau]

June 15th, 2014, dude. Duncan rang on Fathers Day.

Thanks for the correction :toast

[ambchang]

I'm here win or lose. They ain't postin' in here, amb. No fuckin' way. No.

Nu-uh. You went into your little cubby hole for months.

[Thread]

Nu-uh. You went into your little cubby hole for months.

Win or lose I'm here. And they ain't postin' in here. No fuckin' way. No.

[Splits]

Here's another interesting set of championship statistics:

Duncan rang while leading the team in minutes, PER, WinShares, offensive boards, defensive boards, total boards, FTA and blocks. Second on the team in PTS, FG%, and FGA.

http://i3.minus.com/joxi7YXAMcuvn.png

[Thread]

Here's another interesting set of championship statistics:

Duncan rang while leading the team in minutes, PER, WinShares, offensive boards, defensive boards, total boards, FTA and blocks. Second on the team in PTS, FG%, and FGA.

http://i3.minus.com/joxi7YXAMcuvn.png

The Bag stays in Texas.

[ambchang]

Win or lose I'm here. And they ain't postin' in here. No fuckin' way. No.

But you weren't here before winning or losing.

[Thread]

But you weren't here before winning or losing.

Win or lose I'm here. And they ain't postin' in here. No fuckin' way. No.

[ambchang]

Win or lose I'm here. And they ain't postin' in here. No fuckin' way. No.

But you ain't here before winning or losing

By the way, you are a suns fan, your team never won.

[Thread]

But you ain't here before winning or losing

By the way, you are a suns fan, your team never won.

Win or lose, I'm here. They ain't postin' in here. No. Absolutely not.

[ambchang]

Win or lose, I'm here. They ain't postin' in here. No. Absolutely not.

But you ain't here before winning or losing

By the way, you are a suns fan, your team never won.

[Thread]

But you ain't here before winning or losing

By the way, you are a suns fan, your team never won.


Win or lose, I'm here. And they ain't postin' in here. No fuckin' way. No. Absolutely not.

[ambchang]

Win or lose, I'm here. And they ain't postin' in here. No fuckin' way. No. Absolutely not.

But you ain't here before winning or losing

By the way, you are a suns fan, your team never won.

[Thread]

But you ain't here before winning or losing

By the way, you are a suns fan, your team never won.

Win or lose, I'm here. And they ain't postin' in here. No fuckin' way. No.

[ambchang]

Win or lose, I'm here. And they ain't postin' in here. No fuckin' way. No.

But you ain't here before winning or losing

By the way, you are a suns fan, your team never won.

Now reply to this. I order you.

[Thread]

But you ain't here before winning or losing

By the way, you are a suns fan, your team never won.

Now reply to this. I order you.

Win or lose, I'm here. And they ain't postin' in here. No fucking way. No. Absolutely not.

[ambchang]

Win or lose, I'm here. And they ain't postin' in here. No fucking way. No. Absolutely not.

Good dog.

Reply some more. Do it.