:lmao top GM

[Gummi Clutch]

Lockets and the fat dork shouldn't have pissed of Cubes....:lmao

[Gummi Clutch]

:cry Give Dirk a max to get back :cry

[benstanfield]

:lol Three max contracts with a supporting cast of Terrence Jones and Sisco Garcia.

:lol Must have really crunched the numbers on that.

[sook]

The dude has been in for a rude awakening for some time. The chickens have come home to roost.

[spurraider21]

truth be told, houston shouldn't match Parsons regardless of what happens with Bosh... he's not worth that much money. its tough to miss out on a free agent and lose your own, but its just not smart to match that

[StrengthAndHonor]

If Bosh signs, then they have to match Dallas' offer. Losing a valuable player like Parsons to a division opponent is a huge No. It will come back and bite them in the ass.

[sook]

If Bosh signs, then they have to match Dallas' offer. Losing a valuable player like Parsons to a division opponent is a huge No. It will come back and bite them in the ass.

If we were to go by the history of past dealings, its likely that neither of these guys will be in a rockets uni next season...

Also, speaking of division rival, we traded Asik to N.O too...its turned into a giant clusterfuck :lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

If we were to go by the history of past dealings, its likely that neither of these guys will be in a rockets uni next season...

Speaking of division rival, we traded Asik to N.O too :lol
Sure, but New Orleans is not a threat. Not yet at least. Dallas OTOH, is quietly assembling a better team and the addition of Parsons could be of great value. They are a threat to Houston's hopes of advancing.

[sook]

Sure, but New Orleans is not a threat. Not yet at least. Dallas OTOH, is quietly assembling a better team and the addition of Parsons could be of great value. They are a threat to Houston's hopes of advancing.

As of now, Dallas is easily better. Carlisle alone >>>>>>>>>>>>> Milk Hair. if the rockets strike out and are relegated to the leftover FAs like Ariza, they'll probably be the 7th seed next season. I can see Dallas moving into top 5.

[StrengthAndHonor]

As of now, Dallas is easily better. Carlisle alone >>>>>>>>>>>>> Milk Hair. if the rockets strike out and are relegated to the leftover FAs like Ariza, they'll probably be the 7th seed next season. I can see Dallas moving into top 5.
Yeah Carlisle is a huge +.

Are the Rockets really going after Ariza? Or is it Deng?

[sook]

Yeah Carlisle is a huge +.

Are the Rockets really going after Ariza? Or is it Deng?

They met with Deng today, but he's asking for too much so there is no way that's happening. Don't know why they're going after Ariza considering they overpaid the dud a couple years back and watched the disaster unfold. Stephenson might be a possibility as well.

[DJR210]

If Bosh signs, then they have to match Dallas' offer. Losing a valuable player like Parsons to a division opponent is a huge No. It will come back and bite them in the ass.

Not on the long term.

[Kidd K]

I'm sorry but not matching that offer is a GOOD move, not a bad one. 15.33 million a year for Chandler Parsons is a LOT. He's being overpaid by about 25% there imo.

[Chinook]

Absolutely bonkers for them to decline that option without having a contract agreed upon. Even if they didn't really want him, it would have made sense to use him in an S&T along with Lin and Asik so they could have gotten Love/Bosh without giving up the MLE/gutting their roster.

Maybe they'll do that Josh Smith trade now :lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Absolutely bonkers for them to decline that option without having a contract agreed upon. Even if they didn't really want him, it would have made sense to use him in an S&T along with Lin and Asik so they could have gotten Love/Bosh without giving up the MLE/gutting their roster.

Maybe they'll do that Josh Smith trade now :lol

Perhaps they had something agreed upon but then Cuban offered him more and he went Carlos Boozer on them. Either way, Morey's on the way of royally screwing things up. Imagine if they pull the trigger on Asik and Lin deals, sweetinging them with valuable assets and then LeBron taking his time to make a decision forcing everyone else to stay pat. Then he could lose Bosh and Parsons and be left with the capspace to severely overpay Deng :lol damn!

[djohn2oo8]

I'm sorry but not matching that offer is a GOOD move, not a bad one. 15.33 million a year for Chandler Parsons is a LOT. He's being overpaid by about 25% there imo.
This.

[djohn2oo8]

Absolutely bonkers for them to decline that option without having a contract agreed upon. Even if they didn't really want him, it would have made sense to use him in an S&T along with Lin and Asik so they could have gotten Love/Bosh without giving up the MLE/gutting their roster.

Maybe they'll do that Josh Smith trade now :lol
They did want him. The problem is LeBron taking damn near 2 fucking weeks to make a decision.

[djohn2oo8]

The dude has been in for a rude awakening for some time. The chickens have come home to roost.
So he knew LeBron would take 2 weeks to make a decision?

[Clipper Nation]

Morey is so overrated, it's not even funny.... all he does is beg for overrated "stars" while treating all his other players like disposable trash....

[djohn2oo8]

Morey is so overrated, it's not even funny.... all he does is beg for overrated "stars" while treating all his other players like disposable trash....
You mean like how he let Parsons out his contract early to get paid? Seriously, all you do is whine.

[Clipper Nation]

You mean like how he let Parsons out his contract early to get paid? Seriously, all you do is whine.

Ready to admit that Morey actually is overrated and it isn't just "whining"?

[Clipper Nation]

488371923228053504

[djohn2oo8]

488371923228053504

Because he will rape them in trades.

[djohn2oo8]

And GMs apparently do pick up the phone seeing theLakers took Lin

[DPG21920]

Because he will rape them in trades.


And GMs apparently do pick up the phone seeing theLakers took Lin

Wow - is this representative of general Rocket fan logic and comprehension?

The guys didn't say that "no GM's" will pick up their phone. They said some, so the fact LA (who's been awful at GM'ing for a while now) picked up their phone does not refute anything they said.

Also, with regards to the "raping in trades part". Ya, a contract that HOU so magically offered and overpaid Lin for now had to be dumped for their own first round pick to undo their original stupidity. Good call :tu

[DMC]

Well the Rockets did so well last year it's hard to imagine getting rid of anyone tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

Wow - is this representative of general Rocket fan logic and comprehension?

The guys didn't say that "no GM's" will pick up their phone. They said some, so the fact LA (who's been awful at GM'ing for a while now) picked up their phone does not refute anything they said.

Also, with regards to the "raping in trades part". Ya, a contract that HOU so magically offered and overpaid Lin for now had to be dumped for their own first round pick to undo their original stupidity. Good call :tu

Raping in trades means stockpiling picks which is what he does. Yeah giving a pick away with Lin is stupid, getting a potential lottery pick for a disgruntled C outweighs one shitty mistake. Also, because some guys allegedly won't pick up the phone, why do you think that is?

[Clipper Nation]

Because he will rape them in trades.

Funny, all Morey's been doing lately is getting raped in trades :lol

[DPG21920]

Yes, because Morey and his magical trade raping powers and their unlimited deep playoff runs have other teams running scared. Use your head. Again, is this really a good representation of Rocket fan in general?

[AaronY]

Typical spurstalk hyperbole. Guy's either Gandhi or Stalin. Einstein or Gump. No in between.

[Double-Up]

Yes, because Morey and his magical trade raping powers and their unlimited deep playoff runs have other teams running scared. Use your head. Again, is this really a good representation of Rocket fan in general?

Look Morey is a very good GM top 5 but he's made his share of mistakes. He was able to turn a shit roster into Harden and Howard and usually draft's very well.

[djohn2oo8]

Yes, because Morey and his magical trade raping powers and their unlimited deep playoff runs have other teams running scared. Use your head. Again, is this really a good representation of Rocket fan in general?

Your argument is making no sense. The problem is coaching ( which has nothing to do with trading) not roster talent.

[Double-Up]

...and he's done all of his work without getting a top 5 pick ever.

[djohn2oo8]

...and he's done all of his work without getting a top 5 pick ever.

Let them go.

[DPG21920]

Look Morey is a very good GM top 5 but he's made his share of mistakes. He was able to turn a shit roster into Harden and Howard and usually draft's very well.

Just because you have Harden/Howard doesn't mean you've done your job. Name or not, coaching or not, it's about results which HOU has not had. Then you factor in paying that much for Harden to be your main guy (doesn't look like a number one guy), bringing in Dwight when you already have ASIK (which then killed ASIK's value for your team) and paying ASIK/LIN like you did (mistake, especially after you bring in Dwight) which leads you to having to give up a pick to dump Lin.

Then you trade away your players (ASIK/LIN) and pay to do so and actually become worse on the court this year (while older and more expensive), while losing assets (both on the court and future) - especially if you don't match Parsons. Even if you match Parsons, you now are still older & more expensive and only slightly worse than last year at this point. Then doing what you did (not picking up Parson's option) when you had no guarantees of getting a key FA is just damn silly.

All around, this is not fantasy basketball. The results (including the coach you have which a GM should play a role in) speak for themselves and no matter how much you want to cloud the issue, Morey has not done a great job at all.

[Thread]

...and he's done all of his work without getting a top 5 pick ever.

& don't ferget your old Dalekins. I've been sidin' ya the entire way.

[djohn2oo8]

Just because you have Harden/Howard doesn't mean you've done your job. Name or not, coaching or not, it's about results which HOU has not had. Then you factor in paying that much for Harden to be your main guy (doesn't look like a number one guy), bringing in Dwight when you already have ASIK (which then killed ASIK's value for your team) and paying ASIK/LIN like you did (mistake, especially after you bring in Dwight) which leads you to having to give up a pick to dump Lin.

Then you trade away your players (ASIK/LIN) and pay to do so and actually become worse on the court this year (while older and more expensive), while losing assets (both on the court and future) - especially if you don't match Parsons. Even if you match Parsons, you now are still older & more expensive and only slightly worse than last year at this point. Then doing what you did (not picking up Parson's option) when you had no guarantees of getting a key FA is just damn silly.
All around, this is not fantasy basketball. The results (including the coach you have which a GM should play a role in) speak for themselves and no matter how much you want to cloud the issue, Morey has not done a great job at all.
I agree the results have not been there. However, they weren't there before Morey got there and that includes McGrady AND Yao both of who were not acquired by Morey. They were Les Alexander picks. And really? Sorry, Asik doesn't impact the game like Dwight does and that move gets made 10 times out of 10. Don't care which GM. Lin was nothing but a PR stunt to milk the asian market yet again after Yao and keep the seats full, after which they spent like 4 years on the mediocrity treadmill due to Yao AND McGrady breaking down, there was no way Yao was being traded. There was no way Alexander was giving up his cash cow willingly, which handcuffed the team. During those 9th pick years, Alexander told Morey to keep the team entertaining, but do not tank. His philosophy was to tank, Alexander's wasn't. Alexander wanted starpower, but after being rejected star by star, he gave into throwing away a season, hence the crazy offers for Asik and Lin. It was an unfortunate turn of events for Lin, no one saw Harden being traded to Houston so that was a mistake bringing in Lin but not for the reasons you think.

We won't agree about the Asik trade, that is a damn good pick. Lin, sure. Alexander got tired of paying Adelman big money and not making the playoffs. He wanted a cheaper coach, and McHale was ok for a tanking team. But then Harden and Dwight came and he is obviously not a good fit. The results had not been there for years before Morey. Yao and McGrady could have set them back alotttt longer, it was Morey who turned them into a top 4 West team by stocking picks, which has become a trend in the league btw (Ainge, Suns). In regards to results, this was Harden's second year and Dwight's first. This is what he wanted and it's simply too early to judge.

[DPG21920]

Sooooooo, HOU just got older (swapped Parsons for Ariza), worse (swapped Parsons for Ariza, lost ASIK, lost Lin) & more expensive (instead of Parsons on a really cheap deal, now have Ariza for 8M).

Just an indefensible decision to not pick up the option and let him go. Gave up Parsons/Lin/Asik for Ariza. :tu

[sook]

Sooooooo, HOU just got older (swapped Parsons for Ariza), worse (swapped Parsons for Ariza, lost ASIK, lost Lin) & more expensive (instead of Parsons on a really cheap deal, now have Ariza for 8M).

Just an indefensible decision to not pick up the option and let him go. Gave up Parsons/Lin/Asik for Ariza. :tu

Wouldn't trade Asik last season because he wanted two 1st rounders. Dork Elvis is getting exposed, I defended him from time to time despite being a big critic...but those days are over. The guy is a gambler on the asset treadmill ...with little relation to basketball.

[Findog]

Traded Jelemy Rin to the Rakers.

[Pelicans78]

Sure, but New Orleans is not a threat. Not yet at least. Dallas OTOH, is quietly assembling a better team and the addition of Parsons could be of great value. They are a threat to Houston's hopes of advancing.

If we can stay healthy, we're a threat, even without a legitimate SF on the roster. The team is young but a lot of upside plus Davis can be a top 5 player this season.

[mystargtr34]

Houston fucked up royally this off season but lets not pretend Morey is a scrub GM.. the Rockets went from a Kevin Martin-Luis Scola lead team to Howard-Harden in the space of 12 months.. how many GM's could pull that off? There may not be results to show for it yet, but to think they won't have playoff success in the near future is a ballsy bet imo. At least they have something too build around.

But as for now.. Lol Rockets.

[Clipper Nation]

Houston fucked up royally this off season but lets not pretend Morey is a scrub GM.. the Rockets went from a Kevin Martin-Luis Scola lead team to Howard-Harden in the space of 12 months.. how many GM's could pull that off?

In other words, he's gone from one treadmill team to another.... the Hawks have been doing that for years now without any of the props that Morey gets, tbh....

[HemisfairArena]

Houston fucked up royally this off season but lets not pretend Morey is a scrub GM.. the Rockets went from a Kevin Martin-Luis Scola lead team to Howard-Harden in the space of 12 months.. how many GM's could pull that off? There may not be results to show for it yet, but to think they won't have playoff success in the near future is a ballsy bet imo. At least they have something too build around.

But as for now.. Lol Rockets.

This Rocket team has no heart,,,,they are a joke with Harden at the helm.

[mystargtr34]

In other words, he's gone from one treadmill team to another.... the Hawks have been doing that for years now without any of the props that Morey gets, tbh....

I don't get that comparison.. the Hawks never had real star power or potential to do anything even on those Joe Johnson/Horford teams. Howard and Harden are both top 10 players.. if you put the right pieces around them.. they could win a couple of playoff series. Morey fucked up this off season.. but he has put the Rockets in a way better position than they were in 24 months ago.

[DPG21920]

Houston fucked up royally this off season but lets not pretend Morey is a scrub GM.. the Rockets went from a Kevin Martin-Luis Scola lead team to Howard-Harden in the space of 12 months.. how many GM's could pull that off? There may not be results to show for it yet, but to think they won't have playoff success in the near future is a ballsy bet imo. At least they have something too build around.

But as for now.. Lol Rockets.

What has he done? He paid a premium for Harden (ok, credit to him for putting HOU in a position to have the money and strike a trade with OKC). He maneuvered to get Dwight (and paid the most you could to do so) - ok, credit there for putting together two decent pieces.

So because he brought two max paid talented players together he's automatically not a scrub? What has that produced? What about the questionable Lin/Asik contracts he gave out? What about giving out the questionable contracts to Lin/Asik, then having to give up assets to dump them a couple years later?

What about not picking up the option on Parsons and whiffing on all your main targets? What about then losing Parsons in free agency on top of trading Lin/Asik so your team that you had around Dwight/Harden is now less deep, older and more expensive?

How about keeping this obviously poor coach around?

How about giving up picks that you will need because your cap situation is approaching some serious trouble with the Harden/Dwight/Ariza core and not a lot of draft assets to help with cheap talent?

So while Morey gets credit for brining in Harden & Dwight, the questions are: Has it actually yielded results? Have the other moves been good? How does their future look? What assets does he have and has he made more good moves than bad?

To me, it's a resounding no. It's one thing to be willing to take risks, it's another thing to squander many opportunities foolishly.

[DPG21920]

This is a guy who's been the Houston GM for 7 YEARS! They have either missed the playoffs or been bounced in the first round in all 7 IIRC. How is that a good track record. I'd get if it was year 2 and he made the Harden/Dwight moves, but this is a GM who's been given some good resources (more than many other GM's IMO) and for 7 years has nothing to show for it.

The only + mark on his resume has now been somewhat jaded with his moves too. If doing one sort of good thing in 7 years is all it takes to be considered to be a top 5 GM, I am leaving right now to pursue that dream.

[Mel_13]

What has he done? He paid a premium for Harden (ok, credit to him for putting HOU in a position to have the money and strike a trade with OKC). He maneuvered to get Dwight (and paid the most you could to do so) - ok, credit there for putting together two decent pieces.

So because he brought two max paid talented players together he's automatically not a scrub? What has that produced? What about the questionable Lin/Asik contracts he gave out? What about giving out the questionable contracts to Lin/Asik, then having to give up assets to dump them a couple years later?

What about not picking up the option on Parsons and whiffing on all your main targets? What about then losing Parsons in free agency on top of trading Lin/Asik so your team that you had around Dwight/Harden is now less deep, older and more expensive?

How about keeping this obviously poor coach around?

How about giving up picks that you will need because your cap situation is approaching some serious trouble with the Harden/Dwight/Ariza core and not a lot of draft assets to help with cheap talent?

So while Morey gets credit for brining in Harden & Dwight, the questions are: Has it actually yielded results? Have the other moves been good? How does their future look? What assets does he have and has he made more good moves than bad?

To me, it's a resounding no. It's one thing to be willing to take risks, it's another thing to squander many opportunities foolishly.

Letting Dragic walk and then signing Lin for a higher annual salary than Dragic got from the Suns.

[HemisfairArena]

This is a guy who's been the Houston GM for 7 YEARS! They have either missed the playoffs or been bounced in the first round in all 7 IIRC. How is that a good track record. I'd get if it was year 2 and he made the Harden/Dwight moves, but this is a GM who's been given some good resources (more than many other GM's IMO) and for 7 years has nothing to show for it.

The only + mark on his resume has now been somewhat jaded with his moves too. If doing one sort of good thing in 7 years is all it takes to be considered to be a top 5 GM, I am leaving right now to pursue that dream.

That's the point. This Morey dude is a joke. Wake me up Houston when you actually do something with this roster of "greatness".

[DPG21920]

Letting Dragic walk and then signing Lin for a higher annual salary than Dragic got from the Suns.

Thanks, Mel :lol. I knew I couldn't remember all the questionable moves.

[Pelicans78]

I don't think Dragic was staying, but losing both Dragic and Lowry and replacing with Lin was horrible.

[DPG21920]

Letting Lowry walk too.

[DPG21920]

I don't think Dragic was staying, but losing both Dragic and Lowry and replacing with Lin was horrible.

With a stupid contract for Lin (that you had to give up a first rounder to dump just two years later). The most baffling thing to me was the moves after the questionable ones.

It's ok to take some risks, but Morey paid BIG TIME for those risks with the Lin and Asik contracts. Then instead of letting those pan out, you bring in Harden (who doesn't fit with Lin) and Dwight (who doesn't fit with Asik). I mean, if you are going to pay a premium (when you shouldn't have to) on "upside" guys, why would you then basically see to it that they don't succeed?

[Clipper Nation]

Don't forget wasting a draft pick on Royce White, trading a first-round pick for Terrence Williams, trading Nic Batum for trash, bringing back that washed-up crackhead Steve Francis, etc...

[DPG21920]

What's the deal with that pick from Toronto for the Lowry trade?

[Mel_13]

What's the deal with that pick from Toronto for the Lowry trade?

Went to OKC in the Harden trade. Became Steven Adams.

[Clipper Nation]

This is a guy who's been the Houston GM for 7 YEARS! They have either missed the playoffs or been bounced in the first round in all 7 IIRC. How is that a good track record. I'd get if it was year 2 and he made the Harden/Dwight moves, but this is a GM who's been given some good resources (more than many other GM's IMO) and for 7 years has nothing to show for it.
To add on to that point, Joe Dumars built a championship team in Detroit with a core that went to six straight ECF's and back-to-back Finals, then got run out of town unceremoniously when the team eroded.... meanwhile, Morey has done nothing but build a treadmill team and win one playoff series total in 7 years and gets slurped as a "genius"....

[Pelicans78]

To be honest Dumars did a horrible job from the time after the Billups trade. He should have been fired two years ago.

[DPG21920]

Went to OKC in the Harden trade. Became Steven Adams.

That's right. So man, all they have is the NO pick next year too (which could be a very good thing, but still). Can't believe NO gave that pick. Morey found one of the few GM's who's actually worse than him for that pick.

However, it would be funny to see NO stay healthy and Asik/Davis/Anderson turn into a playoff team.

[Clipper Nation]

To be honest Dumars did a horrible job from the time after the Billups trade. He should have been fired two years ago.

True, but Houston's horrible asset management this summer is really not all that different from the horrible offseasons Dumars had after the "Goin' to Work" team got blown up....

Ironically, when the Pistons were winning, Dumars had a similar reputation to Morey - a shrewd dealer who found diamonds in the rough and built a winner without tanking.... the Billups trade exposed him, just like this offseason has exposed Morey, tbh....

[Pelicans78]

True, but Houston's horrible asset management this summer is really not all that different from the horrible offseasons Dumars had after the "Goin' to Work" team got blown up....

I think Dumars is worse because he saddled the team with horrible contracts over the last few seasons though Ariza could come back to hurt Houston long-term. He's only performed well in contract seasons which Houston has now rewarded him twice.

[Mel_13]

That's right. So man, all they have is the NO pick next year too (which could be a very good thing, but still). Can't believe NO gave that pick. Morey found one of the few GM's who's actually worse than him for that pick.

However, it would be funny to see NO stay healthy and Asik/Davis/Anderson turn into a playoff team.

Demps is horrible.

[baseline bum]

True, but Houston's horrible asset management this summer is really not all that different from the horrible offseasons Dumars had after the "Goin' to Work" team got blown up....

Ironically, when the Pistons were winning, Dumars had a similar reputation to Morey - a shrewd dealer who found diamonds in the rough and built a winner without tanking.... the Billups trade exposed him, just like this offseason has exposed Morey, tbh....

That team coming together was all Carlisle and Brown tbh

[Indazone]

This Rocket team has no heart,,,,they are a joke with Harden at the helm.

:tu

[Indazone]

lol

Morey: "You have to be the one to find the Chandler Parsons, not the one that gives the Chandler Parsons the max contracts."

Tell that to the Spurs and Kawhi

[TDMVPDPOY]

hey wasnt this the clown that did trades from simulation games like live/2k series, then does a real live trade? lmao htf this clown got a job

[Indazone]

Say what you want about this Chris Baldwin. Yeah he's a Lin Homer but the rest of his analysis is pretty much spot on.

http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/07-14-14-jeremy-lin-trade-compounded-by-cheap-stance-on-chandler-parsons-morey-saves-money-ruins-houston-rockets/

[spurraider21]

is Dumars the guy that gave those contracts to Ben Gordon, Rodney Stuckey, and Charlie V?

[Mel_13]

lol

Morey: "You have to be the one to find the Chandler Parsons, not the one that gives the Chandler Parsons the max contracts."

Tell that to the Spurs and Kawhi

I really don't understand how any Rocket fan, aside from the profoundly retarded, can continue to defend Morey at this point. This summer was a spectacular failure.

[DPG21920]

Not only that - the future is in jeopardy. He may (through skill, luck or both) be able to salvage things but it doesn't make everything up until this point smart.

I really wonder how he will proceed & if he will use that TE or not.

[Indazone]

Well actually, Rockets have a lot of cap space for 2015 so it's not terrible. But worst GM ever has to be Isiah Thomas.

[sook]

lol back on this fucking wheel to do the same shit again in 2016. This organization is fucking pitiful. Before any faggot calls me out, I've been a fan before Morey and will be after Morey.

[Mel_13]

Well actually, Rockets have a lot of cap space for 2015 so it's not terrible.

Not really. If they just keep Howard, Harden, and Ariza and make everything else disappear, they'll have about 16M in cap space (assuming a 66M cap). Keep Jones and Motiejunas and they're down to about 12M.

[Clipper Nation]

Well actually, Rockets have a lot of cap space for 2015 so it's not terrible. But worst GM ever has to be Isiah Thomas.
"Cap space" = "Morey begs for superstars and gets rejected over and over again"

[spurraider21]

"Cap space" = "Morey begs for superstars and gets rejected over and over again"
he did land dwert

[Clipper Nation]

he did land dwert
That was more due to Kirby and Fredo than Morey :lol

[Raven]

morey is more a speculator than a basketball manager tbh... he hardly has a clue about basketball skills that are not on paper.

[Mel_13]

morey is more a speculator than a basketball manager tbh... he hardly has a clue about basketball skills that are not on paper.

that's actually a good way to describe him.

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he did land dwert

Thank Christ.