so, how's that SEC Network thing working out so far?

[Blake]

The Utah State football team opens its 2014 schedule at Tennessee, and the game will be televised on the brand-new SEC Network.It’s entirely possible that most Utahns won’t be able to see it. It’s highly likely that most Aggie fans around the country won’t, either.Despite the fact that the SEC fancies itself the biggest, baddest, best thing in college sports, the SEC Network is struggling to get distribution.

Sound familiar?.......

http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile3/58158129-219/sec-network-directv-fans.html.csp

Lol

[DMX7]

Lol

Gee... you would think distributors would be falling all over themselves to score the tv network of "the best college football conference in America"

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Aggy

[leemajors]

Well, with all the fights between the cable companies and channels, it's not surprising. I imagine they are asking for a lot.

[DesignatedT]

Every provider will pick it up eventually. Uverse and Dish already have. DirecTV and comcast are close. Time warner will follow.

To answer your question though, it's going to be great and a huge moneymaker once it's up and fully running.

Thanks for your concern.

[The Reckoning]

lol posters using money making smack when they won't see a dime of it :lol

[Sisk]

lol posters using money making smack when they won't see a dime of it :lol

Why are you happy the Spurs won when you don't get a ring?

[Vito Corleone]

Why are you happy the Spurs won when you don't get a ring?

Because of all the large breasted women jumping around cheering making those sweet sacks bounce.

[Sisk]

Cox communications signed a deal for the SEC network yesterday.

[DMX7]

Why are you happy the Spurs won when you don't get a ring?

Celebrating your team's victory is fundamentally different than celebrating sports administrators and players getting fatter paychecks.

[DMX7]

Cox communications signed a deal for the SEC network yesterday.

Cox has LHN too. Comcast and DirecTV are way more important -- especially Comcast because it dominates in Houston which is supposedly Aggie's largest market.

[Sisk]

Celebrating your team's victory is fundamentally different than celebrating sports administrators and players getting fatter paychecks.

More money = better facilities/coaches (as a general rule) = better chance at winning

[Sisk]

Cox has LHN too. Comcast and DirecTV are way more important -- especially Comcast because it dominates in Houston which is supposedly Aggie's largest market.

Want to make a bet that Comcast carries the SECN this season?

[Bill_Brasky]

Aggies are starting to sound like Longhornfan with their 'we get more money' smack

[Sisk]

Aggies are starting to sound like Longhornfan with their 'we get more money' smack

The horns still pull down the most revenue by far. But, as I said, having money helps with winning as a general rule. The SEC move for us was a no-brainer for a large number of reasons... money being one of them.

[Blake]

The horns still pull down the most revenue by far. But, as I said, having money helps with winning as a general rule. The SEC move for us was a no-brainer for a large number of reasons... money being one of them.

Except that so far, the big 12 has basically kept up in payout per school.

[Sisk]

Except that so far, the big 12 has basically kept up in payout per school.

Do you honestly believe that SEC schools will not make more than the B12 once renegotiations happen?

[DMX7]

More money = better facilities/coaches (as a general rule) = better chance at winning


The horns still pull down the most revenue by far. But, as I said, having money helps with winning as a general rule.

You state the most prominent example of a school with a lot of money and it's an exception to your own "general" rule.

[Clipper Nation]

All that "SEC money" and Aggy still won't win shit....

[Sisk]

You state the most prominent example of a school with a lot of money and it's an exception to your own "general" rule.

They are an exception. Hence, "general".

[Blake]

Do you honestly believe that SEC schools will not make more than the B12 once renegotiations happen?

Big 12 schools have been paid out more per school than SEC the last couple of years. That'll change, no doubt.

But then the big 12 will be up for renegotiation down the road and it will change back.

Point being is that A&M is not getting all that much more (if any more) by moving.

But TCU thanks you.

[Vito Corleone]

Ags could increase their money by 50 million annually and they would still be behind Texas by 40 million.

Last year Ags gross revenue was about 90 million. Texas had gross revenue of about 180 million.

[leemajors]

I'm interested what the tipping point is for sports/regional networks period and their disproportionate representation on the average person's cable bill. A La Carte is coming, slowly.

[Vito Corleone]

I'm interested what the tipping point is for sports/regional networks period and their disproportionate representation on the average person's cable bill. A La Carte is coming, slowly.

Agree 100% I'd pay a separate charge to get the LHN I'd prefer not to pay for big 10 network or other conference networks.

[Blake]

I'm interested what the tipping point is for sports/regional networks period and their disproportionate representation on the average person's cable bill. A La Carte is coming, slowly.

If it wasn't for football and the Spurs, I wouldn't have cable at all.

I have no need for Big 10, Pac12, LHN, or SEC networks.....just ESPN family and Fox Sports networks.

A la carte can't get here fast enough.

[DesignatedT]

A la carte can't get here fast enough.


Definitely agree with this. Cable is such a fn rip.

Anyway, the SEC Network is being operated by ESPN so they will protect their investment. Unlike the LHN it will be a lot easier to sell 14 teams and a guaranteed three football games every Saturday compared to 1 team and 2 games a year or whatever. ESPN is asking a lot right now ($1.30 per subscriber) to carry the network so it's your typical who will budge first scenario. I expect DirecTV and Comcast to have it soon.

[Blake]

I'm thinking ESPN is flexible on that $1.30.

Even at $1 - $1.10, that'd be big money.

[Blake]

Agree 100% I'd pay a separate charge to get the LHN I'd prefer not to pay for big 10 network or other conference networks.

ESPN has to be losing money or at best, breaking even on the LHN, right?

At what point are they going to beg UT to get out and negotiate a deal 4-5 years down the road for a big 12 network?

And they'd better hurry too before the other schools become content with their own current tier 3 deals.

[Vito Corleone]

ESPN has to be losing money or at best, breaking even on the LHN, right?

At what point are they going to beg UT to get out and negotiate a deal 4-5 years down the road for a big 12 network?

And they'd better hurry too before the other schools become content with their own current tier 3 deals.

The LHN has been around now for two seasons going on three. And this coming year they have distribution with dish, AT&T, Time Warner, and host other smaller providers. I'm pretty sure it's making money by now. I can now live pretty much anywhere and get the LHN. As far as availability, I can get it anywhere. Not sure where the merger is between Time Warner and comcast but if it goes through I'm pretty sure the LHN will be carried over.

And lets not confuse facts, the LHN was designed for tier 3 sports not for Tier 1 or 2. Getting a couple of football games on there is just to drive subscriptions, generally speaking every football game is aired on ESPN, ABC or Fox. Since the start of the Big 12, I can't remember not being able to see a Longhorn football game. Now that we have the LHN and it has excellent distribution I couldn't care less how many football games are on it. Once the stupid rule on high school games is lifted that will also drive viewership way up.

And I don't see why the big 12 can't have both it's own network and the LHN. Especially if both are owned by ESPN.

[Blake]

And I don't see why the big 12 can't have both it's own network and the LHN. Especially if both are owned by ESPN.

Football wise, that would make no sense. You'd never have the longhorns play on the big 12 network.

[Blake]

ESPN is barely making ends meet on the deal is the way I'm reading this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2014/03/04/longhorn-network-scores-major-victory-with-dish-network-carriage-deal/

[Pelicans78]

I think it sucks for the fans since the SEC Network will be a showing a ton of football games and alot of people won't be able to watch it.

[Vito Corleone]

Football wise, that would make no sense. You'd never have the longhorns play on the big 12 network.

Why? Home team gets to air the game. In Austin, Texas gets to air the game on the LHN, in any other venue the game will be on the Big 12 network.

I still think the LHN is going to morph into a channel that will air other sporting events. Maybe a BYU football game or UTSA and UTEP. ESPN was really hindered by the NCAA ruling about airing high school games.

[Blake]

Why? Home team gets to air the game. In Austin, Texas gets to air the game on the LHN, in any other venue the game will be on the Big 12 network.

Tech won't ever play a game on the LHN.

[Vito Corleone]

Tech won't ever play a game on the LHN.

It would become a non-issue if Tech knew it had it's own Big 12 network it could use to show their games against the Horns when they were home. Also it is a non-issue in baseball and basketball as Tech has been on the LHN in both sports.

Besides, a football game between Tech and Texas when Texas is home is generally on Turkey day (for now).

[Blake]

Neh, terrible idea that'll never happen.

[rjv]

it may very well be that the SEC network gets limited coverage for most of the first season as the cable companies will negotiate carefully. often, the cable companies often want to attach the channel to a special tier (e.g., sports) so that it can be an a la carte choice whereas the networks often want the channel to be a part of the standard programming so that everyone has to pay for it. this is how it went down with the NFL network and the longhorn network before they finally relented. personally, i'll side with the cable companies as sports should be an option and not a mandated part of standard programming. time warner, for all its lack of customer service, usually sides on the consumer on these negotiations. at&t can afford to play hard ball and comcast has no clue as to what it's doing (see rockets and astros channels).

[DesignatedT]

AT&T already picked it up. Comcast is reported to have agreed as well. I think DirecTV will end up getting it soon from everything I have read. Time Warner has been pretty mum regarding the issue.

[DesignatedT]

Comcast has officially picked up the SEC Network. DirecTV is reportedly close to a deal and is expected to be next. No word on Time Warner.

[Blake]

I wonder if they got the $1.30 per channel they wanted.

[DesignatedT]

I wonder if they got the $1.30 per channel they wanted.

Actually reported they agreed to $1.40 per subscriber. Seems ESPN and the SEC are asking more than previously reported.

[Blake]

Actually reported they agreed to $1.40 per subscriber. Seems ESPN and the SEC are asking more than previously reported.

Link?

[DesignatedT]

Link?



SEC Network landed its biggest fish Friday, announcing a long-term carriage deal with the country's biggest distributor. Comcast will carry the channel at its Aug. 14 launch on its expanded basic tier within SEC territory and digital basic outside of it. Sources say the channel's rate card is at $1.40 per subscriber per month within the SEC's 11-state footprint


http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2014/07/18/Media/SEC-Network.aspx

[Blake]

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2014/07/18/Media/SEC-Network.aspx

That's a very weak "sources say" line about the $1.40.

At the end of the paragraph, they quote and link the Fox Sports article that says they started at $1.30 and possibly had to negotiate down to $1.10.

[DesignatedT]

Lol ok. I'm just going by what everyone else is going by.

[Blake]

I know. I think some of these news outlets have gotten extremely lazy

[Sisk]

Want to make a bet that Comcast carries the SECN this season?

Looks like DMX made the right choice.

[Vito Corleone]

Is Comcast in Texas? I know I had them when I lived in Utah but not sure if they are in Texas. If not then it's no big deal as the rest of the SEC footprint isn't very big with only Atlanta as being a huge city.

[leemajors]

Comcast is Houston's largest cable provider, i believe

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Aggy

[Sisk]

Comcast is Houston's largest cable provider, i believe

Correct

[ChumpDumper]

Is Comcast in Texas? I know I had them when I lived in Utah but not sure if they are in Texas. If not then it's no big deal as the rest of the SEC footprint isn't very big with only Atlanta as being a huge city.


Comcast is Houston's largest cable provider, i believeBuying Time Warner as well, so they'll get Dallas, Austin and SA soon.

[djohn2oo8]

Yeah, SEC network will have a shit ton of problems with CSN. Just like the Astros, and Rockets.

[DesignatedT]

On Friday, the conference’s new network also scored a large carriage deal that may open the floodgates for similar deals with America’s biggest cable providers.

The SEC Network landed a long-term carriage deal with Comcast, the country’s biggest distributor. The network will air starting August 14 on Comcast’s expanded basic tier within SEC territory and digital basic outside of it. The Comcast deal pushes SEC Network’s distribution footprint to 46 million homes, including carriage on AT&T, Cox and Dish Network.

In an excellent example of price discrimination, sources say the channel’s rate card is at $1.40 per subscriber per month within the SEC’s 11-state footprint and $0.25 per month outside of it. Nothing like knowing your demographics. The more rabid and passionate the fan base, the greater their demand inelasticity and thus willingness to pay.

Though the goal of the net is to reach 75 million homes upon launch, this goal is likely attainable given that there is a high likelihood that deals will be established with DirecTV and Time Warner Cable within the next month.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2014/07/20/sec-network-scores-distribution-touchdown-with-comcast-carriage-deal/

[Blake]

That'll be good for the other conferences too.

Insane money.

[Sisk]

"The Longhorn Network is the least successful network launch in ESPN history and the SEC Network is the most successful network launch in ESPN history."


"As a result the fleeing members of the Big 12 -- Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M and Missouri are going to end up making more money off the Longhorn Network than Texas is. If Texas doesn't start the Longhorn Network all of those schools probably stay in the Big 12 and make much less money. Instead, they bolted and will end up better off than Texas will."


http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/every-sec-school-will-make-more-tv-money-than-texas-notre-dame-072314

[leemajors]

that guy needs a decent editor, badly.

[Sisk]

that guy needs a decent editor, badly.

That's what you got out of that?

[leemajors]

That's what you got out of that?

yeah, it was painful to read, chock full of logical fallacies, and puzzling that he would get paid for it. Would you rather i say, UT MAKES MORE MONEY OVERALL SO WHO GIVES A FUCK?

[Sisk]

yeah, it was painful to read, chock full of logical fallacies, and puzzling that he would get paid for it. Would you rather i say, UT MAKES MORE MONEY OVERALL SO WHO GIVES A FUCK?

You sound upset

[Blake]

That's what you got out of that?

yeah it was a bad article.

I'll wait for Forbes to give us some real numbers.

[leemajors]

You sound upset

Not in the slightest, I don't pay for cable TV anymore. Although I would agree that the last thing we need is more conference networks. They should just offer them via online subscription tbh

[ChumpDumper]

"The Longhorn Network is the least successful network launch in ESPN history and the SEC Network is the most successful network launch in ESPN history."


"As a result the fleeing members of the Big 12 -- Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M and Missouri are going to end up making more money off the Longhorn Network than Texas is. If Texas doesn't start the Longhorn Network all of those schools probably stay in the Big 12 and make much less money. Instead, they bolted and will end up better off than Texas will."


http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/every-sec-school-will-make-more-tv-money-than-texas-notre-dame-072314"SEC alum likes SEC network."

Groundbreaking work.

I will agree that the LHN model was pretty shortsighted. Socialist agreements like the one Texas A&M entered are the way to go.

[Sisk]

Not in the slightest, I don't pay for cable TV anymore. Although I would agree that the last thing we need is more conference networks. They should just offer them via online subscription tbh

Ill agree with you there.

[Blake]

"SEC alum likes SEC network."

Groundbreaking work.

I will agree that the LHN model was pretty shortsighted. Socialist agreements like the one Texas A&M entered are the way to go.

LHN is good for capitalist pig UT.

Kansas and West Virginia seem to be doing well with their tier 3 deals.

Tech's tier 3 Fox Sports deal seems to be somewhere in the middle of $0 and UT's ESPN deal

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, we'll find out when all the revenues are actually added up. Given the death of national media markets in the Big 12-4+2, the local/regional appeal of the non-UT schools might actually work better for them via tier 3.

A school like Iowa State might need some SEC-type socialism in time, but all the schools seem to be in it for the long run.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm just glad *almost* all the lolUTSA games are on TV this season. Be happy you can argue over such TV contracts.

[Blake]

Yeah, we'll find out when all the revenues are actually added up. Given the death of national media markets in the Big 12-4+2, the local/regional appeal of the non-UT schools might actually work better for them via tier 3.

A school like Iowa State might need some SEC-type socialism in time, but all the schools seem to be in it for the long run.

Yeah, Vandy wouldn't trade places with Iowa St for anything.

I wonder though if Arky would.....

[Vito Corleone]

"The Longhorn Network is the least successful network launch in ESPN history and the SEC Network is the most successful network launch in ESPN history."


"As a result the fleeing members of the Big 12 -- Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M and Missouri are going to end up making more money off the Longhorn Network than Texas is. If Texas doesn't start the Longhorn Network all of those schools probably stay in the Big 12 and make much less money. Instead, they bolted and will end up better off than Texas will."


http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/every-sec-school-will-make-more-tv-money-than-texas-notre-dame-072314

Seriously???

Look who wrote the article, all you need to know about that BS.

According to the last numbers I saw, the SEC network could pay the Ags 40 million to the ags and they would still be 40 million behind the Longhorns.

[Sisk]

Yeah, Vandy wouldn't trade places with Iowa St for anything.

I wonder though if Arky would.....

arky is not going back to a conference with Texas in it.

[Vito Corleone]

arky is not going back to a conference with Texas in it.

I'm sure you're the authority on Arkansas.

[Sisk]

I'm sure you're the authority on Arkansas.

Go ask on Arkansas board (whatever that is) and report back.

[Pelicans78]

No way Arkansas would leave the SEC for the Big 12. They left the SWC for the SEC already. Not going back.

[Blake]

Yeah, Arky is doing swell, racking up all dem SEC titles.

when I mentioned it, I forgot about the huge amount of money a school has to fork out to leave, so it's a moot point.

But I guarantee when that movie comes out about the horn/arky game of '69(?) that a lot of razorback fans will reminisce of how good they had it in the SWC and how much of an easier path to a title shot they'd now have had they stayed.

[Sisk]

Yeah, Arky is doing swell, racking up all dem SEC titles.

when I mentioned it, I forgot about the huge amount of money a school has to fork out to leave, so it's a moot point.

But I guarantee when that movie comes out about the horn/arky game of '69(?) that a lot of razorback fans will reminisce of how good they had it in the SWC and how much of an easier path to a title shot they'd now have had they stayed.

There is no exit fee in the SEC. Schools don't want to leave the best conference in collegiate athletics.

[Pelicans78]

Yeah, Arky is doing swell, racking up all dem SEC titles.

when I mentioned it, I forgot about the huge amount of money a school has to fork out to leave, so it's a moot point.

But I guarantee when that movie comes out about the horn/arky game of '69(?) that a lot of razorback fans will reminisce of how good they had it in the SWC and how much of an easier path to a title shot they'd now have had they stayed.

They've made quite a few SEC Title games and have had some very good teams, but none of those teams were title contenders anyway. Similar to A&M. How many Big 12 titles did A&M win? Doesn't matter what conference you are in. If a team is good enough to make a title run, they can do it in the SEC as well.

[Blake]

There is no exit fee in the SEC.

Oh you're right.

Hmm.

[Blake]

They've made quite a few SEC Title games and have had some very good teams, but none of those teams were title contenders anyway. Similar to A&M. How many Big 12 titles did A&M win? Doesn't matter what conference you are in. If a team is good enough to make a title run, they can do it in the SEC as well.

Unless I'm mistaken, they've been in 3 conference title games and they have an overall losing record in SEC play.

If you have a good team, the road to the title is currently easier through any of the other 4 power conferences.

but cycles do come and go. It could be that in 5 years the SEC is back down to what it was 10 years ago when undefeated Auburn got left out of the title game.

[DesignatedT]

Time Warner Cable has officially picked up the SEC Network. Just waiting on DirecTv now.

http://secsports.go.com/article/11260106

[FkLA]

aggy is cleaning house today tbh

[DesignatedT]

DirecTV was the last to pick up the network. All major players will launch the network on August 14.

Thanks for your concern :tu

[benefactor]

Dish has LHN. That's all I need to know, tbh.

[Sisk]

https://twitter.com/JBoorstin/status/496771647899045888


@JBoorstin (https://twitter.com/JBoorstin)

Disney's Bob Iger calls SEC network launch "best launch in cable history" but won't reveal $s (https://twitter.com/search?q=%24s&src=ctag). $DIS (https://twitter.com/search?q=%24DIS&src=ctag)

[leemajors]

Be interesting to see these numbers after the end of the year, ESPN was the weak link this last quarter for Disney:

http://m.deadline.com/2014/08/walt-disney-corp-record-earnings-quarter-2/

[DMX7]

Alabama fans running to get Saban's autograph. I think it was supposed to involve kids getting autographs, but as you can see... not many kids around.

https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3a%2f%2fi116.photobucket.com%2falbums% 2fo24%2fsquats24%2fbszKoI3_zpsb7c7ddbc.gif&t=1407363823&sig=N2r7FSnUkj2qGZ0PYOBKmw--~B

#SEC Speed
#BeastMODE

[FkLA]

Alabama fans running to get Saban's autograph. I think it was supposed to involve kids getting autographs, but as you can see... not many kids around.

https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3a%2f%2fi116.photobucket.com%2falbums% 2fo24%2fsquats24%2fbszKoI3_zpsb7c7ddbc.gif&t=1407363823&sig=N2r7FSnUkj2qGZ0PYOBKmw--~B

#SEC Speed
#BeastMODE

Just saw this on the Rivals board, can't stop laughing at the SEC speed hashtag. :rollin

[Hoops Czar]

DirecTV was the last to pick up the network. All major players will launch the network on August 14.

Thanks for your concern :tu

Verizon Fios hasn't picked up the SEC network yet.

[Hoops Czar]

Dish has LHN. That's all I need to know, tbh.


Enjoy your one game a season.

[DMX7]

it's like 3 games a season -- too many if you ask me.I'm ok with one game on LHN. no more

[Pelicans78]

Suddenlink has picked up the SEC Network as well as WatchESPN :toast

[Sisk]

Has a thread ever back fired more in SpursTalk history than this one?

[Blake]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205383

[DesignatedT]

SEC Network will Launch in more than 90 million households :tu.

Best Network launch in history. :tu

[DesignatedT]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuXriBoCcAAovAi.jpg

[Bill_Brasky]

Good shit SEC. I wish a certain other conference had a network that showcased every school instead of just one.

[MannyIsGod]

The shit talking in this forum is probably the most retarded on ST. Which is saying a lot.

[Blake]

Meh, all of Tech's games are on TV in San Antonio and Fox Sports Southwest show all the games worth watching any way.

Who wants to watch Iowa St play Kansas on a big 12 network? Gamblers I guess.

[Bill_Brasky]

The shit talking in this forum is probably the most retarded on ST. Which is saying a lot.

I agree, shits pretty lame.

[ChumpDumper]

SEC Network will Launch in more than 90 million households :tu.

Best Network launch in history. :tuThat's just availability, right?

Funny. If it's on the digital sports tier, it will probably add actual subscribers to the Longhorn Network as well.

[leemajors]

That's just availability, right?

Funny. If it's on the digital sports tier, it will probably add actual subscribers to the Longhorn Network as well.

Win/Win for ESPN

[rjv]

That's just availability, right?

Funny. If it's on the digital sports tier, it will probably add actual subscribers to the Longhorn Network as well.


most of us were already getting it to begin with.

[DesignatedT]

There's just nothing else to talk about at this point tbh so bumping one of Blake's idiotic threads is always a solid option.

[DesignatedT]

For those that don't already have the LHN, it won't be bundled with the LHN. For those that already have the LHN available than yeah, the SECN could just be added.

[MannyIsGod]

I put my order in for DirecTV earlier this week. I get the SEC network and the channels where the Lobos will play some basketball games and my wife gets the Big Ten Network so win win. But really, fuck TV. I'm pretty excited for the first game I get to go to in the renovated Kyle. I came to some games here a decade ago and it was the loudest stadium I've ever visited but this should be even better.

[ChumpDumper]

most of us were already getting it to begin with.You can't really speak for all SEC subscribers, but it's good to know you'll be getting the Roadrunner network when it rolls out.

[Blake]

For those that don't already have the LHN, it won't be bundled with the LHN. For those that already have the LHN available than yeah, the SECN could just be added.

"We know there are a lot of A&M fans out there and we're very excited to be able to make sure that they'll see every A&M game that's available on the SEC Network," said Pete Abel, Suddenlink Communications Spokesperson.

The expanded basic cable plans starts around $72 a month for one*HD*box.

Pete Abel with Suddenlink tells us the Longhorn Network will also be added as part of the deal."

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Aggie-Fans-React-to-Suddenlink-DirecTV-Picking-Up-SEC-Network-269901631.html

[Blake]

There's just nothing else to talk about at this point tbh so bumping one of Blake's idiotic threads is always a solid option.

This thread was me asking a question, not making a claim of any kind, but if you're that bored, let's discuss this again:

http://deadspin.com/5923148/texas-am-made-a-really-sad-video-because-they-just-want-the-sec-to-like-them

My favorite part is where the chick is saying "gooooooo Cocks"

What's yours?

[leemajors]

I put my order in for DirecTV earlier this week. I get the SEC network and the channels where the Lobos will play some basketball games and my wife gets the Big Ten Network so win win. But really, fuck TV. I'm pretty excited for the first game I get to go to in the renovated Kyle. I came to some games here a decade ago and it was the loudest stadium I've ever visited but this should be even better.

DirecTV has best picture by far outside of OTA, but watch out when the promotional stuff falls off after a year, your bill can skyrocket if you're not proactive.

[MannyIsGod]

DirecTV has best picture by far outside of OTA, but watch out when the promotional stuff falls off after a year, your bill can skyrocket if you're not proactive.

Yeah, I'm paying 60/month for the first year but the second its around 85. When you place the order online you can look at the future bills. Its definitely pricey at that point, but in the longrun I'm saving over going with Suddenlink and I get way more HD and Sunday Ticket. After the first year when not in season I'll probably also drop to a lower tier. I appreciate that I don't need the highest tier to watch some of these sports channels because when I was with Comcast it felt like you ALWAYS had to get the highest tier for something like the SEC or BTN.

[DesignatedT]

This thread was me asking a question, not making a claim of any kind, but if you're that bored, let's discuss this again:

http://deadspin.com/5923148/texas-am-made-a-really-sad-video-because-they-just-want-the-sec-to-like-them

My favorite part is where the chick is saying "gooooooo Cocks"

What's yours?

Gotta be the big blue nation guy.

[leemajors]

Yeah, I'm paying 60/month for the first year but the second its around 85. When you place the order online you can look at the future bills. Its definitely pricey at that point, but in the longrun I'm saving over going with Suddenlink and I get way more HD and Sunday Ticket. After the first year when not in season I'll probably also drop to a lower tier. I appreciate that I don't need the highest tier to watch some of these sports channels because when I was with Comcast it felt like you ALWAYS had to get the highest tier for something like the SEC or BTN.

:tu

[IronMexican]

The shit talking in this forum is probably the most retarded on ST. Which is saying a lot.

:lol agreed

[Sisk]

The shit talking in this forum is probably the most retarded on ST. Which is saying a lot.

what else is there to talk about? It's early August.

[Sisk]

This thread was me asking a question, not making a claim of any kind, but if you're that bored, let's discuss this again:

http://deadspin.com/5923148/texas-am-made-a-really-sad-video-because-they-just-want-the-sec-to-like-them

My favorite part is where the chick is saying "gooooooo Cocks"

What's yours?


Let's not pretend you were genuinely asking.

Big blue nation is the best one, obviously.

[Blake]

Let's not pretend you were genuinely asking.


Sure I was. I read an article, posted it and asked a question for anyone to answer.

[The Reckoning]

ironic that the very argument that aggie is using is the same they were arguing against not too long ago

[DesignatedT]

ironic that the very argument that aggie is using is the same they were arguing against not too long ago

Like what? Not sure what you are talking about tbh. The SEC getting their own network has been in the works for years now and it was one of the many things A&M considered when debating the move East. They knew two years ago that this day would come and knew how much they would be potentially making off of it once it did launch.

Dipshits like Blake have had trouble wrapping their head around it. I know he went to tech and all but he doesn't get a pass. When A&M said they would be making x amount more in the SEC than compared to the Big12 this is what they were anticipating. This mixed with the soon to be television re-negotiations. A&M looked down the road and it's about to start paying off big in regards to $.

[Blake]

Like what? Not sure what you are talking about tbh. The SEC getting their own network has been in the works for years now and it was one of the many things A&M considered when debating the move East. They knew two years ago that this day would come and knew how much they would be potentially making off of it once it did launch.

Dipshits like Blake have had trouble wrapping their head around it. I know he went to tech and all but he doesn't get a pass. When A&M said they would be making x amount more in the SEC than compared to the Big12 this is what they were anticipating. This mixed with the soon to be television re-negotiations. A&M looked down the road and it's about to start paying off big in regards to $.

I won't ever think the move to the SEC wasn't a silly butthurt, knee jerk response to the longhorn network.

To say the move was simply a financial one is bullshit. You know it but for whatever reason won't admit it.

[Sisk]

I won't ever think the move to the SEC wasn't a silly butthurt, knee jerk response to the longhorn network.

To say the move was simply a financial one is bullshit. You know it but for whatever reason won't admit it.

Our direct competition had just signed for $300mm for their TV rights. If we don't make the SEC move, we are trying to fail. The SEC move made sense in every way possible and has been even better than anyone could have imagined.

[djohn2oo8]

Chick-Fil-A bowl and the Cotton Bowl for all their troubles. Yeah that turned out great. And no it wasn't just a financial move.

[ChumpDumper]

Has anyone run the numbers on the proposed UT/A&M network? I know that was really preliminary and dismissed almost out of hand, but as obsessed as the two fanbases are someone had to have come up with an estimate.

[Sisk]

Chick-Fil-A bowl and the Cotton Bowl for all their troubles. Yeah that turned out great. And no it wasn't just a financial move.

Recruiting has certainly been boosted as well.

[DMX7]

It was about getting out of the shadow of big brother.

[djohn2oo8]

It was about getting out of the shadow of big brother.

Yep. That's it and that's all.

[DesignatedT]

Sure. You can call it what you like. All these things (better branding, better recruiting, better facilities, better league, just a better overall perception of the university and most of all more money) are a direct impact of joining the SEC and distancing ourselves from Texas.

I just don't see how anyone could sit here with a straight face and say that this move clearly wasn't the right one for A&M.

[Sisk]

djohn:

Let's say you're in charge of a random university and you have a choice. Would you rather be in the Big 12 or the SEC?

[Blake]

I just don't see how anyone could sit here with a straight face and say that this move clearly wasn't the right one for A&M.

It's looking more and more like a lateral move, imo. And then there's aggy throwing away the ut game.

But again, TCU couldn't be any more thankful.

[Pelicans78]

It's looking more and more like a lateral move, imo. And then there's aggy throwing away the ut game.

But again, TCU couldn't be any more thankful.

How is it a lateral move when the revenue has gone up, the recruting has improved, and their brand has improved as well. This move was a no brainer.

[leemajors]

How is it a lateral move when the revenue has gone up, the recruting has improved, and their brand has improved as well. This move was a no brainer.

I'm sure Sisk or DesignatedT will post when they are available, but I am very curious to see the donation numbers for 2014 after they hit nearly 3/4 billion last year.

[Blake]

I'm sure Sisk or DesignatedT will post when they are available, but I am very curious to see the donation numbers for 2014 after they hit nearly 3/4 billion last year.

I wonder how much of that was thanks to Johnny.

[leemajors]

I wonder how much of that was thanks to Johnny.

Most

[Sisk]

djohn:

Let's say you're in charge of a random university and you have a choice. Would you rather be in the Big 12 or the SEC?

Still waiting for this answer.

[FkLA]

dumbjohn goes/went to UTSA but comes on here and acts like a UT diehard, I wouldn't waste my time with him tbh.

[Blake]

Still waiting for this answer.

It depends.

If right now invitations were sent by the sec and big 12 to BYU, I think BYU goes big 12.

[djohn2oo8]

djohn:

Let's say you're in charge of a random university and you have a choice. Would you rather be in the Big 12 or the SEC?

If I'm Florida State I'm going to the Big 12.

[djohn2oo8]

Each conference will end up averaging the same amount of money paid out per school

[djohn2oo8]

The horns still pull down the most revenue by far. But, as I said, having money helps with winning as a general rule. The SEC move for us was a no-brainer for a large number of reasons... money being one of them.

Lol no money wasn't a reason. Both the SEC and Big 12 will averaged 40 million per school paid paid out by the end of the decade. And that's with the SEC network.

[DesignatedT]

If I'm Florida State I'm going to the Big 12.

Lol no. Cuz FSU can't wait to travel to Texas every other weekend and have those hugely anticipated games in Kansas. FSU isn't going anywhere so not sure why you would just choose them but they wouldn't choose the big12 over the SEC if they had to pick one. lmao

Nobody in their right mind would. Only big12 fans are constantly thinking about the easiest path possible and the path of least resistance. What a loser mentality I tell you.

[Blake]

Nobody in their right mind would. Only big12 fans are constantly thinking about the easiest path possible and the path of least resistance. What a loser mentality I tell you.

What does A&M's non conference schedule look like?

Lol Lamar

[DesignatedT]

What does A&M's non conference schedule look like?

Lol Lamar

Arizona State, UCLA, & Oregon all on the books for the next few years. SEC move made it hard to find worthy opponents.

Not to mention we play Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina, Missouri , LSU & Ole Miss this year. lmao

Have fun in Lawrence and Ames though. :lmao

Big12 fan bringing up schedule smack. Priceless.

[Blake]

Arizona State, UCLA, & Oregon all on the books for the next few years. SEC move made it hard to find worthy opponents.

Not to mention we play Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina, Missouri , LSU & Ole Miss this year. lmao

Have fun in Lawrence and Ames though. :lmao

Big12 fan bringing up schedule smack. Priceless.

Sorry, but you don't get to say anything about path of least resistance with lolutsa on the schedule in 2019.

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, but you don't get to say anything about path of least resistance with lolutsa on the schedule in 2019.

UTSA will be in the Big 12 by then so it all evens out.

[djohn2oo8]

Lol no. Cuz FSU can't wait to travel to Texas every other weekend and have those hugely anticipated games in Kansas. FSU isn't going anywhere so not sure why you would just choose them but they wouldn't choose the big12 over the SEC if they had to pick one. lmao

Nobody in their right mind would. Only big12 fans are constantly thinking about the easiest path possible and the path of least resistance. What a loser mentality I tell you.

Path of least resistance where Aggie won what?

[djohn2oo8]

Lol no. Cuz FSU can't wait to travel to Texas every other weekend and have those hugely anticipated games in Kansas. FSU isn't going anywhere so not sure why you would just choose them but they wouldn't choose the big12 over the SEC if they had to pick one. lmao

Nobody in their right mind would. Only big12 fans are constantly thinking about the easiest path possible and the path of least resistance. What a loser mentality I tell you.

Path of least resistance where Aggie won what?

[Blake]

UTSA will be in the Big 12 by then so it all evens out.

Works for me.

that way when DesignatedT says "have fun in San Antonio", I really will

[Hoops Czar]

UTSA will be in the Big 12 by then so it all evens out.

If the Big 12 keeps adding garbage teams to the conference, their conference schedule won't mean shit.

[ChumpDumper]

If the Big 12 keeps adding garbage teams to the conference, their conference schedule won't mean shit.SECfan needs the blue font, I see.

[Blake]

If the Big 12 keeps adding garbage teams to the conference, their conference schedule won't mean shit.

there will be this though:


The Big 12 and the Southeastern conferences have announced a deal that will pit their football regular-season champions against each other in a New Year's Day bowl game for five years beginning in 2014, positioning themselves for the expected switch to a four-team playoff.In fact, SEC commissioner Mike Slive all but said that scenario is coming in Friday's announcement of the agreement between two of the most successful BCS conferences."A new January bowl tradition is born," Slive said in a statement. "This new game will provide a great matchup between the two most successful conferences in the BCS era and will complement the exciting postseason atmosphere created by the new four-team model.

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=7945482&src=desktop

Lol aggy can't get away

[Sisk]

Each conference will end up averaging the same amount of money paid out per school

:lmao

[DesignatedT]

Lol aggy can't get away


Lol wut.

1. That game is only going to happen whenever the sugar bowl is not apart of the bowl playoff rotation.

2. The SEC bowl game tie-ins go as followed:

3 bowls vs Big 10 (2 on years when Orange Bowl is in playoff rotation)
3 bowls vs Big 12 (2 on years when Sugar Bowl is in playoff rotation)
2 bowls vs ACC

[Blake]

Lol wut.

1. That game is only going to happen whenever the sugar bowl is not apart of the bowl playoff rotation.

2. The SEC bowl game tie-ins go as followed:

3 bowls vs Big 10 (2 on years when Orange Bowl is in playoff rotation)
3 bowls vs Big 12 (2 on years when Sugar Bowl is in playoff rotation)
2 bowls vs ACC

Wut?

Link?

[DesignatedT]

Wut?

Link?

It's actually kind of vague now that I read it again. It says:
The agreement is for 12 years. In the event that the bowl is selected as a semifinal game in the new BCS structure, the game would not host the Big 12 - SEC matchup in that year.

And this:
In years where the Sugar Bowl and the Orange Bowl do not host College Football Playoff semifinals, the SEC's top non-playoff teams will go to those games

But doesn't necessarily specify what happens in that scenario.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205726873

[Blake]

http://allstatesugarbowl.org/site546.php

K, it looks like since they added the playoff semi final years, they agreed to extend the SEC/Big 12 champ game to 8 games over 12 years, the other four being the playoff game.

Not to mention the Texas Bowl now being SEC/Big 12.

Lol.

[DesignatedT]

Sec / big12 has 3 post season games a year. Pretty standard stuff my friend. I guess we can't get away from the big 10 either.

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao


Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby told reporters Friday that the Big 12 will be distributing more than $40 million per school by the end of its TV contract in the next decade

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24577128/sec-announces-209-million-average-payout-per-school


The Big 12 just completed the first year of its 13-year grant of rights deal with ESPN/ABC and Fox Sports, and Bowlsby said the conference's members should be earning more than $40 million per year by the end of that contract.


That number could reach $30 million per school soon as the money from the conference's media rights deals escalates later in the contract, and the Big 12 will distribute approximately $4 million more once the contract from its Champions Bowl agreement with the SEC begins.



With the launch of the SEC Network this August, per-team revenues are expected to increase by at least $5 million over the next couple of years and could reach $10 million-plus within a handful years. Some projections have SEC teams bringing in excess of $40 million annually by the end of the decade

[djohn2oo8]

^ :lol Aggy
:lol Record Revenue without Aggy
:lol Same money distribution
:lol "Left because of financial reasons"

[DesignatedT]

Does that article say conference members could be making 40M/yr by the end of a 13 year contract :lol? So 13 years from now?


As of right now, the Horns are the only ones making a substantial amount. TCU and West Va are making some shit like 7M a year lmao

[DesignatedT]

Nobody knows the exact deal between the SEC/ESPN but the network is projected to bring in big money and that will happen in the next couple years. The Network is projected to make north of $800M per season.


The network is set to bring in the big bucks. If half of all households are subject to the in-conference rate, that's a little over $700 million a year in revenue. The remaining non-SEC customers should pitch in another $130 million or so. In terms of sheer carriage revenue, that would be near the size of ESPN2, and over three times as large as the Big Ten and Pac-12 networks, Fox Sports estimates .

If ad sales and programming costs cancel out -- a fair assumption -- that leaves $830 million in annual revenue up for grabs between both sides. While the exact terms of the ESPN-SEC deal aren't public, a 50-50 split is reasonable, Fox says. And in reality, a 60-40 or even 70-30 split in favor of the SEC isn't out of the question. The conference's popularity may have created a better negotiating position.


Assuming most pass the network's carriage fees on to customers, wallets everywhere could be squeezed. Estimates vary, but SportsBusiness Daily reports that a monthly rate of $1.30 per subscriber is likely for in-conference providers. The fee is $0.25 in the 39 non-SEC states. Comcast, which reached a long-term deal with the network last month, is paying a slightly higher cost of $1.40 per subscriber, the outlet adds.

By those calculations the SEC Network is projected to add at least another $28M in revenue to each of the 14 members. That is bringing the annual revenue of each program to close to $50M/season.

This is also assuming a 50/50 split between the SEC/ESPN. Numbers could be higher.

But 13 years from now the big12 might start to catch up. I don't know what the future has in store.

[Blake]

Does that article say conference members could be making 40M/yr by the end of a 13 year contract :lol? So 13 years from now?


As of right now, the Horns are the only ones making a substantial amount. TCU and West Va are making some shit like 7M a year lmao

I know Kansas is making nice coin off their tier 3 network.

[Blake]

Actually, WV is


........ That earning potential is a big reason why so many rumors have circulated about schools like Clemson, Florida State and Virginia Tech looking to move to the Big 12. Tier 3 rights don’t guarantee a massive payout and can vary greatly – West Virginia’s $9 million lands between Kansas’ $6.5 million payout from the Jayhawk Network and the massive $15 million that Texas makes each year from its Longhorn Network – but major draws like Virginia Tech and Florida State would likely be thrilled to give the open market a try.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2013/04/18/west-virginias-media-rights-bidding-reflects-true-value-of-big-12s-tv-deals/

[manufan10]

15 more minutes until the debut.

[rjv]

it would be fitting if the SEC started with some banjos playing the theme to "deliverance".

[Darth_Pelican]

Watching the intro now.

[DesignatedT]

:tu

[rjv]

saw some of it last night. of course, they just had to get that dumb ass piece of shit governor perry to represent the aggies. wasn't lyle lovett available?

[Juan]

saw some of it last night. of course, they just had to get that dumb ass piece of shit governor perry to represent the aggies. wasn't lyle lovett available?

Not anymore of a POS than our current president.

[Blake]

Not anymore of a POS than our current president.

Yes he is more of a pos.

[leemajors]

saw some of it last night. of course, they just had to get that dumb ass piece of shit governor perry to represent the aggies. wasn't lyle lovett available?

Day before his indictment :lol

[The Reckoning]

Day before his indictment :lol


fits the theme of sumlin's program

[MannyIsGod]

I watched for a bit today. They had some cool shit. Ralphie May talking about Arkansas was actually kinda neat.

[leemajors]

I watched for a bit today. They had some cool shit. Ralphie May talking about Arkansas was actually kinda neat.

He's got a new special out on netflix soon.