Love to Cavs probability?

[tholdren]

Minnesota Timberwolves (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/min/minnesota-timberwolves) forward Kevin Love (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3449/kevin-love) is "intrigued" by the idea of being traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-cavaliers) and would commit long term to the team, a source close to the situation told ESPN.com's Marc Stein.

does kevin martin have to be included?

[phxspurfan]

probability is quite good IMO. As long as the Cavs can give up Wiggins, a first, and a filler. Wolves know they're going to lose him either way. Might as well get 2 or 3 first round talents.

[slick'81]

It will happen no doubt cavs know they need another legit superstar next to bron and Kyrie

[ajh18]

I think this is happening. And I posted in another thread, I don't think the Cavs will even give up Wiggins to get it done.

The Cavs have already offered Waiters, Bennett, and a first round pick. Since they have 3 first round picks in 2015, I think they up the offer to be:

Waiters, Bennett, two first round picks in 2015 (one of which would be Miami's), and a second round pick. That's a good, fair deal for Minnesota.

[heyheymymy]

I think this is happening. And I posted in another thread, I don't think the Cavs will even give up Wiggins to get it done.

The Cavs have already offered Waiters, Bennett, and a first round pick. Since they have 3 first round picks in 2015, I think they up the offer to be:

Waiters, Bennett, two first round picks in 2015 (one of which would be Miami's), and a second round pick. That's a good, fair deal for Minnesota.


fuck that would make cle too good. lebron always gets what he wants.

[slick'81]

Yeah If they can keep wiggins and acquire love very nice for cavs

[Poolboy5623]

fuck that would make cle too good. lebron always gets what he wants.

He does? Pretty sure he wanted that last championship, no?

[Vic Petro]

Yeah If they can keep wiggins and acquire love very nice for cavs

I think this is very unlikely. That Waiters/Bennett pu pu platter is worse than the Klay Thompson deal.

[Jdspur20]

I think this is very unlikely. That Waiters/Bennett pu pu platter is worse than the Klay Thompson deal.

Flip is already laughing at that offer. no way that happens.

[heyheymymy]

He does? Pretty sure he wanted that last championship, no?


ahhhh snap

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I can't understand why they even want Love. Bennett still has potential. Thompson and Waiters have potential, as well. All of them would be great around an Irving/Bron pick and roll.

I'd sign some quality vets, figure a minute management plan for Andy, and start watching some spurs game film.

[ajh18]

I think this is very unlikely. That Waiters/Bennett pu pu platter is worse than the Klay Thompson deal.

I don't think it's unworkable. Waiters and Bennett are a former 4th and 1st overall picks with plenty of room to grow. Combine that with two or even three first round picks in 2015 alone, and thats a much better package to build around than Klay Thompson.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Waiters, Bennett, two first round picks in 2015 (one of which would be Miami's), and a second round pick. That's a good, fair deal for Minnesota.

:rollin

[tholdren]

:rollin

Why not? If that's all they got, then it's better than letting Love walk, which he surely will do.

Why the hell didnt CHI or HOU try to sign Love? or did they?

[SpurPadre]

Why does it seem like the entire league but the Spurs go out of their way to help Lebron get the players he wants?

[Vic Petro]

I don't think it's unworkable. Waiters and Bennett are a former 4th and 1st overall picks with plenty of room to grow. Combine that with two or even three first round picks in 2015 alone, and thats a much better package to build around than Klay Thompson.

The only Cavs 1st worth a damn is the one that belongs to Miami. Who cares where guys were picked previously? Have you seen anything from either that suggest they could be a future all-star? A bunch of maybes and mights. I'm not sure there's a better 2-way SG in the NBA than Thompson and he gave the Spurs hell in the playoffs 2 years ago. Proven commodity and all-star potential. Quite certain GS would be willing to throw in generally worthless picks like Cleveland is. I can't recall who else besides Thompson was in the GS package.

[slick'81]

Bennett isn't worth shit right now

[FlAVaK]

The only Cavs 1st worth a damn is the one that belongs to Miami. Who cares where guys were picked previously? Have you seen anything from either that suggest they could be a future all-star? A bunch of maybes and mights. I'm not sure there's a better 2-way SG in the NBA than Thompson and he gave the Spurs hell in the playoffs 2 years ago. Proven commodity and all-star potential. Quite certain GS would be willing to throw in generally worthless picks like Cleveland is. I can't recall who else besides Thompson was in the GS package.

Lee

[phxspurfan]

I'd assume 100% at this point

[DrunkTXLabrat]

The only Cavs 1st worth a damn is the one that belongs to Miami. Who cares where guys were picked previously? Have you seen anything from either that suggest they could be a future all-star? A bunch of maybes and mights. I'm not sure there's a better 2-way SG in the NBA than Thompson and he gave the Spurs hell in the playoffs 2 years ago. Proven commodity and all-star potential. Quite certain GS would be willing to throw in generally worthless picks like Cleveland is. I can't recall who else besides Thompson was in the GS package.

David Lee. GS is closer to home, i think the Lebron lesson should give the indication.

[Obstructed_View]

Seems like the league can always find a stupid third team to give up assets and take back shit in order to facilitate a superstar trade. Wonder who it'll be this time. Smart money's on Jordan.

[TSpence26]

I have been reporting all week that a trade is getting completed by end of week.

[spurraider21]

I have been reporting all week that a trade is getting completed by end of week.
reporting is one thing, trying to predict the future is different. you are predicting that a trade will get done. the only things you could accurately report at this point would be "there is no trade as of now" or "they are working on a trade and want to get it done." there is no way to guarantee or "report" that a trade WILL get done. if ur gna be a hack, thats fine, but at least try to be convincing

[TSpence26]

reporting is one thing, trying to predict the future is different. you are predicting that a trade will get done. the only things you could accurately report at this point would be "there is no trade as of now" or "they are working on a trade and want to get it done." there is no way to guarantee or "report" that a trade WILL get done. if ur gna be a hack, thats fine, but at least try to be convincing

A trade will be completed by end of week, BOOK IT DOWN. 100 PERCENT GUARANTEE!!

[spurraider21]

A trade will be completed by end of week, BOOK IT DOWN. 100 PERCENT GUARANTEE!!
:lol gotcha. talk to Don Harris about it, maybe he'll write a piece on the imminent trade

[cd021]

Minnesota should hold out as long as possible, try to take Cleveland to the cleaners like Denver did to N.Y.. Why not hold out for a better deal?

They could ,maybe, package Love and Martin (no need to keep him, if he was brought just to help them make the playoffs) in an attempt to nab Wiggins, Waiters and Bennett. Take a step back this season and attempt to take two steps forward starting in '15-16 with a roster including: Rubio, Pekovic, Dieng, LaVine ,2015 lottery pick, Wiggins, Waiters, Bennett and Muhammad.

or Wiggins, Waiters, Haywood (trade filler) and 2 first round picks in '15 & '17 is very still a good haul for Love

[Obstructed_View]

If Cleveland gives all that up for Kevin Love, they're not going to win championships, but there will be plenty of room for Ray Allen and Udonis Haslem.

[Cry Havoc]

Cleveland said they won't trade Wiggins period.

[exstatic]

It will happen no doubt cavs know they need another legit superstar next to bron and Kyrie

How can a legit superstar never lead a team to the playoffs even once? Love is a one way player who is about to break the bank. Wiggins can be a legit two way star.

The consensus when the Spurs drafted Duncan was that he and David couldn't play together, and that one of them should be traded. Thank God the Spurs didn't listen. LeBron can mentor Wiggins, and the kid won't have to carry a team immediately. At some point in the near future, LeBron will become the full time PF, sort of a supercharged Diaw, and Wiggins will be the high flying wing player.

[soxxx]

Heres the other thing, no team is going to trade for Kevin Love if he wont commit. If Kevin Love comes out tommorow and says I will only sign with the Cavaliers, then the Twolves might only have one trade partner. Therefore the Cavaliers have control of the trade, the Twolves know they are losing him so the Cavaliers can give them waiters+draft picks and they might have to just take it because if they dont, they might not get anything at all.

So I believe we will see Lebron, Irving, Love, AND Wiggins in the same uniform on the same court in the near future.

[Malik Hairston]

They should be trying to move the cancerous Irving before anything, tbh, but they won't, obviously..

[Obstructed_View]

How can a legit superstar never lead a team to the playoffs even once? Love is a one way player who is about to break the bank. Wiggins can be a legit two way star.

The consensus when the Spurs drafted Duncan was that he and David couldn't play together, and that one of them should be traded. Thank God the Spurs didn't listen. LeBron can mentor Wiggins, and the kid won't have to carry a team immediately. At some point in the near future, LeBron will become the full time PF, sort of a supercharged Diaw, and Wiggins will be the high flying wing player.

I agree. Wiggins has all the makings of a stud defender. He can make an impact without requiring 20 shots a game, and he won't command Kevin Love money for a few years.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I agree. Wiggins has all the makings of a stud defender. He can make an impact without requiring 20 shots a game, and he won't command Kevin Love money for a few years.

i like what i'm seeing here. let love go to cali. wiggins, bennett, thompson, and waiters is a shit-ton of potential around an irving/bron pick and roll. i spend a lot of time making drunk rants. but this is some drunk love!!!!

[cd021]

If Cleveland gives all that up for Kevin Love, they're not going to win championships, but there will be plenty of room for Ray Allen and Udonis Haslem.

Not going to to win a title ,either way, for at least the next two seasons.

Wiggins is the future of the franchise and could set them up to be contenders for years to come. They can afford to wait a couple of years to see how he develops.

the problem is that Love isn't Bosh, who is a very good team defender. Irving is a awful defender at the worst position possible.

Love, Irving and James could be an elite offensive trio but the Cavs team defense can only be but so good with Irving and Love playing big minutes.

Varejao, Lebron and Wiggins are all very good defenders so that certainly helps.

I would pass on Love and try to dangle Bennett and Waiters to try and nab another "star"

[ducks]

the question is will the cave pony up and pay the max to love,james, irving and wiggins

[Biernutz]

The East is a total mess...The best in the east would make a 9 seed behind the Lakers.....

[Chinook]

If OKC wins the West next year, the East may win the title. Lebron can beat the Thunder by himself practically. I think Cleveland is a couple of years from their peak, but they can certainly win next season.

A Love trade would really hinder them, though. James' play style hinders stars, so Love would be pretty mitigated. It's already going to be a struggle with Irving. They need legit role-players, and Wiggins should be a great one.

[Baam]

If OKC wins the West next year, the East may win the title. Lebron can beat the Thunder by himself practically. I think Cleveland is a couple of years from their peak, but they can certainly win next season.

A Love trade would really hinder them, though. James' play style hinders stars, so Love would be pretty mitigated. It's already going to be a struggle with Irving. They need legit role-players, and Wiggins should be a great one.

Completely agree, put Wiggins on Chuckbrook and he should do an ok job. Lebron can destroy Durant 1 on 1... Really winnable... The main problem is Verajao being so fragile...

[cjw]

Bennett isn't worth shit right now

Right, and neither is Waiters. By being high picks they also don't carry the most friendly cap figures in the next few years (see Evan Turner's $8+mm qualifying offer as the #2 pick this year). At this point, both are guys you could replace for MLE type deals. For me, deal has to include Wiggins or I'm shopping elsewhere.

[Cry Havoc]

The East is a total mess...The best in the east would make a 9 seed behind the Lakers.....

The Lakers won't even be a 10th seed this year. If Kobe isn't healthy they are going to be a bottom 6 team in the league.

[spurspokesman]

Seems like the league can always find a stupid third team to give up assets and take back shit in order to facilitate a superstar trade. Wonder who it'll be this time. Smart money's on Jordan.

[dg7md]

Bennett has lost a ton of weight and will likely be much better this coming year. That being said, I wouldn't trade Wiggins for Love. Love has hit his ceiling, Wiggins could be a future top 10 NBA talent, something I wouldn't say Kevin Love is.

I know the Cavs have to go all-in in the next 2 years to win a title, and likely Love would be better for this than Wiggins in the immediate future, but I don't think it's the wisest move. Kyrie Irving would be a better piece to trade than Wiggins and something that, if packaged right, would be a better offering than ditching Wiggins.

[exstatic]

Bennett has lost a ton of weight and will likely be much better this coming year. That being said, I wouldn't trade Wiggins for Love. Love has hit his ceiling, Wiggins could be a future top 10 NBA talent, something I wouldn't say Kevin Love is.

I know the Cavs have to go all-in in the next 2 years to win a title, and likely Love would be better for this than Wiggins in the immediate future, but I don't think it's the wisest move. Kyrie Irving would be a better piece to trade than Wiggins and something that, if packaged right, would be a better offering than ditching Wiggins.
Why? LeBron signed for two years for one reason and one reason only: the new NBA TV deal gets signed in 2016, and there's going to be a tsunami of cap money available. His new contract will jump sharply.

He's not going to leave Cleveland again. He got what he was seeking. He's home for good.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol at calling Kevin Love a "superstar".... superstars make the playoffs....

[Ice009]

Why? LeBron signed for two years for one reason and one reason only: the new NBA TV deal gets signed in 2016, and there's going to be a tsunami of cap money available. His new contract will jump sharply.

He's not going to leave Cleveland again. He got what he was seeking. He's home for good.

What exactly does this new TV deal mean? The salary cap goes up? Does the CBA get renegotiated?

[Mel_13]

What exactly does this new TV deal mean? The salary cap goes up? Does the CBA get renegotiated?

The cap is adjusted each year based on a formula in the CBA. Basketball related income (BRI) goes up and the cap goes up. A new TV deal will mean a spike in BRI.

The next CBA won't come any earlier than 2017.

[dabom]

:lol at calling Kevin Love a "superstar".... superstars make the playoffs....

I agree.

[Spurs9]

Hopefully they don't give up Wiggins

[Obstructed_View]

Not going to to win a title ,either way, for at least the next two seasons.

Wiggins is the future of the franchise and could set them up to be contenders for years to come. They can afford to wait a couple of years to see how he develops.
You're probably right that they won't win a title, but Wiggins looks like exactly what you said, and might be developing pretty rapidly. He's smart, he's a good defender, he's massively athletic, and he looks to be a good team player. I simply don't know enough about Irving to know how he's going to mesh, but I think Lebron and Wiggins could become Jordan and Pippen Lite, and that suddenly makes Cleveland more of a title threat than Miami was last year if Irving steps up as well.


the problem is that Love isn't Bosh, who is a very good team defender.
Agreed. I think seeing Bosh play this season without Lebron will remind Cavs management of everything Love is not. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bosh putting up scary numbers.


Irving is a awful defender at the worst position possible.
Boston taught Ray Allen to be a really good defender. Maybe it's just a matter of desire. It's certainly going to be the X factor in how quickly Cleveland develops.


I would pass on Love and try to dangle Bennett and Waiters to try and nab another "star"
Pretty much as long as they have some cap room there will be ring chasers ready to sign on for peanuts. If I had Lebron I'd be looking for role players, not stars.

[Raven]

Bennett has lost a ton of weight and will likely be much better this coming year. That being said, I wouldn't trade Wiggins for Love. Love has hit his ceiling, Wiggins could be a future top 10 NBA talent, something I wouldn't say Kevin Love is.

I know the Cavs have to go all-in in the next 2 years to win a title, and likely Love would be better for this than Wiggins in the immediate future, but I don't think it's the wisest move. Kyrie Irving would be a better piece to trade than Wiggins and something that, if packaged right, would be a better offering than ditching Wiggins.

being outcome dependent is one of the biggest issues a man has to face in life, that can be easily translated to basketball management. If a team needs lebron so badly that they would sacrifice everything for him to stay, than it's only right for lebron to go to a team where he is the one to be carried instead of the other way around.

[Raven]

:lol at calling Kevin Love a "superstar".... superstars make the playoffs....

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[DrunkTXLabrat]

Completely agree, put Wiggins on Chuckbrook and he should do an ok job. Lebron can destroy Durant 1 on 1... Really winnable... The main problem is Verajao being so fragile...

I see you baam. This is a really big point. I was wondering about it when i heard about the Zeller and Jack salary dump. I take it all as proof that the cavs are all in on trading for Love. And it's a bad move by their FO.

Irving/ Della
Waiters
Wiggins/ Felix
Bron/ Bennett
Thompson/ Varajao

Zeller, Jack, and a Turner makes that roster absolutely terrifying. Love makes me confident the spurs repeat.

[FireMicoHalili]

Waiters just tweeted he's not open to being benched. Assuming LeBron starts at PF/F and Wiggins starts at SF, they're benching Thompson AND Bennett. Kind of makes no sense. Seems like a waste of potential to bench Wiggins too.

[phxspurfan]

Probability much lower now that Cavs stupidly aren't willing to deal Wiggins. Dude has bust written all over him already. Being outperformed by the real star of the draft (Jabari Parker) and random 2nd rounders.

Wiggins = Shaun Livingston with less court vision


And you guys are massively underrating Kevin Love. Put him on a real team (a team without the Mustang Rubio) and he would beast every night. Like a fat white Bill Russell.



(Mustang = all show, no go)

[will_spurs]

Getting Love means giving up Wiggins in exchange, and that's a trade the Cavs would be really dumb to make.

[phxspurfan]

Getting Love means giving up Wiggins in exchange, and that's a trade the Cavs would be really dumb to make.

If you guys are saying Wiggins will develop into some defensive stud, those skill sets are much easier to come by than skilled big men (Love) in today's NBA. That is, even if Wiggins does fill out and develop. I don't see it, personally. He doesn't look like he wants it at all. He just looks like some rangey, athlete with no NBA-level ball skills (a lot like the Spurs draft pick). I would take a guy with a little less physical attributes and more heart and desire any day (like Jabari Parker or the Lakers' pick, Randle). At least those guys play physical and show more effort and don't try to look "smooth" all the time.

Smooth players in the NBA, with all style points:

Josh Smith
Durant
Joe Johnson
Curry
Wade
Aldridge
etc

Players with heart and less emphasis on style:

LeBron
ZBo
Fat Gasol
Lillard
Pierce
Nowitzki
Duncan


both:
Kobe


similarities among the style group: no rings (Wade no rings lately, just when he's doing all those pump fakes and spin moves n shit).

[ducks]

wolves in east they make playoffs then what is people think of love

love has holes and is more a one way player however I would put him above bosh when he was a raptor

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

What I can't believe is that Love is even still available. WTF are Kerr/West thinking? They have 3 wings who can all defend in Iggy, Green and Barnes, so you trade Lee and Thompson for Love in a heartbeat, especially as they have a strong defensive centre next to him in Bogut. Want another shooter, throw in Barnes for Waiters, who has talent but Cavs have to dump as he is ball-dominant and doesn't fit with Irving and LBJ. He might be an explosive 6th man for the Dubs though.

I'm stunned they haven't pulled the trigger on Lee and Thompson for Love. Its a no-brainer.

[Obstructed_View]

Phxspurfan bringing the stupids into this thread. Holy smokes.