Video on the Top 4 Rookie QB's this season

[spurraider21]

interesting video put together for Bortles, Bridgewater, Manziel, and Carr. it shows every single of one their completed passes that traveled 20 yards or more in the air during their last season of college ball. take what you will, as it shows all their completions, none of the incompletions.

Bortles had 23 such completions (start of the video to 1:23 mark)
Bridgewater had 33 (1:23 to 3:09)
Manziel had 34 (3:09 to 4:58)
Carr had 52 (4:59 to end of video)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0PKEvPbLVs

[Raven]

carr looks the best by very far...

[spurraider21]

Bortles looks like he struggles to get the ball to travel further than 25 yards, but he's the one that makes these throws while going down, being hit, or in a very congested pocket. He and Bridgewater were throwing a lot of ducks or relying on "touch" throws. Manziel and Carr actually showed arm strength, and yeah Carr obviously has the best arm of the bunch. I just hope it translates over time

the first 4-5 throws after the 6:55 mark are probably throws that none of the other 3 can make tbh

[The Gemini Method]

:lol Raiduhhhsssss

[spurraider21]

the most likely scenario is that Carr doesn't see any meaningful regular season action this year, and it sounds like that's the plan with Bortles as well. Teddy and Johnny will be tested early

[johnsmith]

Based on that video alone, Johnny Football better hope he has a tall ass wide receiver that can catch everything thrown within 5 yards of him. It's crazy how many of his passes are to what's his nuts.

[spurraider21]

Based on that video alone, Johnny Football better hope he has a tall ass wide receiver that can catch everything thrown within 5 yards of him. It's crazy how many of his passes are to what's his nuts.
while i'm not very high on Manziel, i think the Evans reliance has been a bit overstated. it was his favored receiver, sure, but evans is also the only NFL caliber receiver there, so the talent disparity has to be accounted for. but yes, tall rangy wide receivers (and typically tight ends) are favorites of running qb's



RECEIVING STATISTICS


NAME
REC
YDS
AVG
LONG
TD


Mike Evans (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/517502/mike-evans)
69
1394
20.2
95 (TD)
12


Derel Walker (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/532117/derel-walker)
51
818
16.0
51 (TD)
5


Malcome Kennedy (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/501035/malcome-kennedy)
60
658
11.0
34
7


Travis Labhart (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/517474/travis-labhart)
51
626
12.3
44 (TD)
8

[Clipper Nation]

the most likely scenario is that Carr doesn't see any meaningful regular season action this year

:lol Schaub's clipboard-holder

[spurraider21]

:lol Schaub's clipboard-holder
if 2013 Schaub shows up, Carr will start by October... if 2008-2012 Schaub shows up, different story

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Carr is going to be a bust..

[spurraider21]

Carr is going to be a bust..
quite possible. if oakland doesn't add to its receiving core or have somebody emerge as a #1, its a difficult spot for a young qb to thrive

[Holden_Caulfield]

bortles has such terrible mechanics :cry his arm cant be that weak, the dude is 6'5 230

whereas carr's mechanics is just silky smooth :cry

[spurraider21]

bortles has such terrible mechanics :cry his arm cant be that weak, the dude is 6'5 230

whereas carr's mechanics is just silky smooth :cry
every throw by Bortles in the vid was a duck :lol... dude throws like a kid in middle school trying to throw as far as he possibly can

[FkLA]

< Football

[spurraider21]

< Football
are you basing that on the video, or just polluting another thread?

a video of course isn't an end all be all, but its interesting to compare how the QB's look when completing throws with distance

[Holden_Caulfield]

every throw by Bortles in the vid was a duck :lol... dude throws like a kid in middle school trying to throw as far as he possibly can
and we used the 3rd overall pick on that talent :lol the jags needs to hire chip england to fix his mechanics :lol

[spurraider21]

and we used the 3rd overall pick on that talent :lol the jags needs to hire chip england to fix his mechanics :lol
:lol when he's done with Kyle Anderson he's all yours. The thing you gotta like about Bortles though is that he's the anti-gabbert. Dude will hang in the pocket as take a hit and still hits his throws in a congested/muddy pocket. Id like to think he can get more zip with improved mechanics. There's no way he's that weak :rollin

[Spur-Addict]

The real question is, what's the new fantasy value of James Jones? Seems like a deep, deep bench addition at this point. But he is seemingly the number 1 pass catching option. A guy in my league decided to keep MJD over Alfred Morris so I'm looking to snag him at some point early on in the draft. He's taking a huge gamble on the resurgence of MJD, but I would've went with the sure thing of Alf Morris. There are two elite TE's left on the board and I pick fourth. If either one is there I'll take one, and hopefully Morris is there on the way back around.

[spurraider21]

The real question is, what's the new fantasy value of James Jones? Seems like a deep, deep bench addition at this point. But he is seemingly the number 1 pass catching option. A guy in my league decided to keep MJD over Alfred Morris so I'm looking to snag him at some point early on in the draft. He's taking a huge gamble on the resurgence of MJD, but I would've went with the sure thing of Alf Morris. There are two elite TE's left on the board and I pick fourth. If either one is there I'll take one, and hopefully Morris is there on the way back around.
i wouldn't bank on a raiders receiver to be a starting fantasy WR... denarius moore has had productive stretches over the last few years, but never sustained. i have my doubts that Jones can be a legit WR1 for an NFL team. keeping MJD was an awful choice, he's going to be competing with McFadden for early down work while not being their main receiving back...

[Spur-Addict]

i wouldn't bank on a raiders receiver to be a starting fantasy WR... denarius moore has had productive stretches over the last few years, but never sustained. i have my doubts that Jones can be a legit WR1 for an NFL team. keeping MJD was an awful choice, he's going to be competing with McFadden for early down work while not being their main receiving back...

Yeah I would never risk a starting spot with a player like Jones, thus the deep bench inclinations. I had Moore on my bench a few years back. I was shocked that Morris came free, and the guy is really not a bad fantasy manager at all which made the selection even more confusing. I'm hungry for the trophy this year as I came in second last year. I wanna put my name on that thing finally.

Anything coming out of camp of a potential emerging player that the outsider non Raider fan would be unaware of?

[spurraider21]

Yeah I would never risk a starting spot with a player like Jones, thus the deep bench inclinations. I had Moore on my bench a few years back. I was shocked that Morris came free, and the guy is really not a bad fantasy manager at all which made the selection even more confusing. I'm hungry for the trophy this year as I came in second last year. I wanna put my name on that thing finally.

Anything coming out of camp of a potential emerging player that the outsider non Raider fan would be unaware of?
If David Ausberry is healthy he's a tight end to target late. Schaub has always loved using tight ends, and Ausberry is one of those phsyical specimen types with 4.4-4.5 wheels

also despite my earlier comment should keep an eye out on receiver battles/rotation. raiders receivers last year had massively deflated stats because Pryor was our QB was a majority of the season. not that schaub is some wunderkind but it should be a more consistent offense.

[Spur-Addict]

If David Ausberry is healthy he's a tight end to target late. Schaub has always loved using tight ends, and Ausberry is one of those phsyical specimen types with 4.4-4.5 wheels

also despite my early, should keep an eye out on receiver battles/rotation. raiders receivers last year had massively deflated stats because Pryor was our QB was a majority of the season. not that schaub is some wunderkind but it should be a more consistent offense.

Is Rivera going to start?

[spurraider21]

Is Rivera going to start?
Not sure yet. I think if he's healthy Ausberry will beat him out tbh. he can just physically do things that rivera can't. he's just had a bunch of stupid injuries so far in his career that have kept him out, but nothing horrible like ACL tears and such


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4_t0LhW04I

[Spur-Addict]

Not sure yet. I think if he's healthy Ausberry will beat him out tbh. he can just physically do things that rivera can't. he's just had a bunch of stupid injuries so far in his career that have kept him out, but nothing horrible like ACL tears and such


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4_t0LhW04I

My draft is August 23rd, so by the third pre season game I should be able to get an idea of whether or not he'll get the nod. But, we do play each other the final pre season game (evaluation purposes) so I could always make a late addition, or add him to the watch list to have as a post draft addition. I'm wondering if Paul Richardson will make his way up the depth chart. He can really fly. 4.3 at the combine, but he had an official sub 4.3 dash before.

[spurraider21]

My draft is August 23rd, so by the third pre season game I should be able to get an idea of whether or not he'll get the nod. But, we do play each other the final pre season game (evaluation purposes) so I could always make a late addition, or add him to the watch list to have as a post draft addition. I'm wondering if Paul Richardson will make his way up the depth chart. He can really fly. 4.3 at the combine, but he had an official sub 4.3 dash before.
unless ur in a 14 team league with some raider fans i think both will be available after the draft :lol

[Spur-Addict]

unless ur in a 14 team league with some raider fans i think both will be available after the draft :lol

:lol Yeah I'm in a ten team league. Richardson actually ran that 4.28. He has been beating guys in camp. But the way Russell spreads the ball around, unless he's the number 2 it's unlikely he'll see enough touches. That's a beast stiff arm in that video :lol

[Aztecfan03]

The real question is, what's the new fantasy value of James Jones? Seems like a deep, deep bench addition at this point. But he is seemingly the number 1 pass catching option. A guy in my league decided to keep MJD over Alfred Morris so I'm looking to snag him at some point early on in the draft. He's taking a huge gamble on the resurgence of MJD, but I would've went with the sure thing of Alf Morris. There are two elite TE's left on the board and I pick fourth. If either one is there I'll take one, and hopefully Morris is there on the way back around.

If i play this year i might bank on ladarius green with a late rounder and if he doesn't get more reps play the waiver wire for te's.

[RGMCSE]

and we used the 3rd overall pick on that talent :lol the jags needs to hire chip england to fix his mechanics :lol

What do you expect for a guy to have perfect mechanics coming out a year early? Bortles has the qualities that you cant teach. He's clutch in the 4th quarter. He actually scans the field and follows through more than one projection without getting happy feet or feeling ghosts. Bortles wants to improve and has very good work ethic as evidenced so far in the mini camps and OTA's. The coaching staff is not the same crap staff from past regime's. They will teach him and bring him on the proper way. This is not the same old Jags. Don't be so quick to laugh it up with a raduh's fan just because we've sucked for so long. This Jags team is acquiring talent and fast.

[Holden_Caulfield]

What do you expect for a guy to have perfect mechanics coming out a year early? Bortles has the qualities that you cant teach. He's clutch in the 4th quarter. He actually scans the field and follows through more than one projection without getting happy feet or feeling ghosts. Bortles wants to improve and has very good work ethic as evidenced so far in the mini camps and OTA's. The coaching staff is not the same crap staff from past regime's. They will teach him and bring him on the proper way. This is not the same old Jags. Don't be so quick to laugh it up with a raduh's fan just because we've sucked for so long. This Jags team is acquiring talent and fast.
i've seen most of bortles games this past season live and hes had mediocre games against the lesser teams and all season ive seen him as a second round qb. i want him to succeed as a jags fan and redshirting him is a good sign but with a mediocre arm strength and slower than usual release and holding on to the ball too long at times just reminds me too much of leftwich. i hate that we picked him 3rd overall. it was a reach, still a reach. there was great value at the end of round 1 and early 2nd in hindsight.

[spurraider21]

i've seen most of bortles games this past season live and hes had mediocre games against the lesser teams and all season ive seen him as a second round qb. i want him to succeed as a jags fan and redshirting him is a good sign but with a mediocre arm strength and slower than usual release and holding on to the ball too long at times just reminds me too much of leftwich. i hate that we picked him 3rd overall. it was a reach, still a reach. there was great value at the end of round 1 and early 2nd in hindsight.
:lol raiders got Mack AND the top QB on their board

[Clipper Nation]

:lol raiders got Mack AND the top QB on their board
:lol Two busts
:lol Al still drafting from the tomb
:lol Raiders

[spurraider21]

:lol Two busts
:lol Al still drafting from the tomb
:lol Raiders
excellent analysis

[Spur-Addict]

excellent analysis

Although he's very wrong, it was slightly comical. Combined yards for DMAC and MJD?

[Holden_Caulfield]

bridgewater is gonna bust so hard, the majority of his throws are to wide open receivers :lol, shit aint happening in minny, tbh.

[spurraider21]

Although he's very wrong, it was slightly comical. Combined yards for DMAC and MJD?
wouldn't call him "wrong" since they could end up busts for all we know, but simply saying LOL busts before camp is meh unless you actually have some sound reasoning

and that's a tough question :lol... the bright side is they can both catch. it really depends on how many games they play. MJD has been very durable besides the 2012 season, and he's never put up less than 1000 all purpose yards besides that season (only played 6 games). McFadden has never played a full season, his career high in games played is 13, and he last did that in 2010. it also depends on how much of a workload they give Reece (he's always underused, sadly), and they're supposedly high on their draft pick from a year ago, Latavius Murray.

their backfield is a mess for fantasy purposes. i would avoid at all costs for the time being, and just use a waiver claim when somebody goes down. even if they're healthy/productive, you never know who's the guy getting the carries. i'd wait for them to release a depth chart or we see who's getting goal line carries. i think DMAC and MJD get around 15 touches per game apiece if healthy though. if i had to guess a number for combined yardage between the two, i'd say 1900 since they're both capable receivers too. i could see McFadden with something like 650/350 and MJD with 700/200 or something like that

[Spur-Addict]

I hate split backfields in fantasy, but taking one in latter rounds after having three solid backs may not be a bad idea.

[spurraider21]

I hate split backfields in fantasy, but taking one in latter rounds after having three solid backs may not be a bad idea.
McFadden still has the most upside, particularly in PPR though i think MJD will end up the goal line guy

[RGMCSE]

i've seen most of bortles games this past season live and hes had mediocre games against the lesser teams and all season ive seen him as a second round qb. i want him to succeed as a jags fan and redshirting him is a good sign but with a mediocre arm strength and slower than usual release and holding on to the ball too long at times just reminds me too much of leftwich. i hate that we picked him 3rd overall. it was a reach, still a reach. there was great value at the end of round 1 and early 2nd in hindsight.

Well I'll be honest, I wasn't that high on him either. But then we drafted him and I've read and watched a lot more. I'm not being a homer, I just like trying to be optimistic. The thing is that I see more in Bortles and his potential. I've seen Bortles do some things that you want in a QB. Things that Blaine Gabbert never did and Garrard only did sometimes and that is: 1. Step into the pocket 2. Let the play develop then take the hit but deliver the pass. 3.He has patience in the pocket but a good internal clock. Borltes was the reason UCF was worth a damn and that has to count for something. I hope it works out and then it wont matter where he was drafted. We had to draft a QB, we couldn't just keep passing on them every year. Can you believe the Jags have only drafted 5 qb's in 20 freaking years and the two QB's drafted by the Jaguars in the last 10 years were Blaine Gabbert and Blake Borltes. :depressedIt wasn't because they had a franchise QB at the helm. The Jaguars had terrible ownership, front office and coaching staff. I think the new staff is gonna develop this guy to be a player. He wont bust.

By the way somewhat agree with the Leftwich comparison. Leftwich had a fucking baseball wind up. Bortles is a little more compact. I think Borltes motion is fixable though. It;'s not so exaggerrated like leftwich's.

Look at leftwich's throwing motion: it literally drops down below his ass then loops it all the way backup to the top.

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Bortles has a similar dip but its stops at waist or just above.

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[spurraider21]

you're not being a homer, but you said you didn't like the guy and after you found out your team drafted him you started liking the guy. k.

[Holden_Caulfield]

madden 15 gave bortles a 92 in throw power :lmao

[RGMCSE]

you're not being a homer, but you said you didn't like the guy and after you found out your team drafted him you started liking the guy. k.

Let me clarify; I did not think highly of Bortles initially. But once the Jags drafted him I started to look more and read more about him as a QB. I was judging him on a few games that I had seen. But once I was forced to learn more I started taking note of some positives. I like comparing and contrasting Bortles with Gabbert. Mainly because it makes me feel better about the Borltes pick. TBH, IMHO...

[Holden_Caulfield]

Let me clarify; I did not think highly of Bortles initially. But once the Jags drafted him I started to look more and read more about him as a QB. I was judging him on a few games that I had seen. But once I was forced to learn more I started taking note of some positives. I like comparing and contrasting Bortles with Gabbert. Mainly because it makes me feel better about the Borltes pick. TBH, IMHO...
:lmao thats so sad, you have to compare him to gabbert in order to like him

[RGMCSE]

:lmao thats so sad, you have to compare him to gabbert in order to like him

Were moving on up bro:lol. Seriously though, I think the Jags are going to embarrass some unsuspecting teams this year. I think the Jags could possibly win 6 games. 7 if they are healthy and over achieve. I'm looking for a split with the colts and it's possible the Jags roll the cowboys in London.

[Holden_Caulfield]

Were moving on up bro:lol. Seriously though, I think the Jags are going to embarrass some unsuspecting teams this year. I think the Jags could possibly win 6 games. 7 if they are healthy and over achieve. I'm looking for a split with the colts and it's possible the Jags roll the cowboys in London.
the homer in me thinks we take the afcs :lol, i still cant get over the fact that we used the 3rd overall pick on a guy who wont probably contribute this season :bang

Carr+Mack+Lee/Robinson>>>>>>>>>Bortles+Lee+Robinson :cry:cry:cry

[spurraider21]

the homer in me thinks we take the afcs :lol, i still cant get over the fact that we used the 3rd overall pick on a guy who wont probably contribute this season :bang

Carr+Mack+Lee/Robinson>>>>>>>>>Bortles+Lee+Robinson :cry:cry:cry
its not uncommon to redshirt rookie QB's, but yeah, he'd have to be a special prospect to be taken in the 1st round (let alone #3) AND be redshirted. Carson Palmer was such

[RGMCSE]

Just look at all the new additions to the Jaguars. By the time lets say 2 years from now Bortles shows he's at least a capable starter, the Jags could be shock full of talent. Look at what GM Dave Caldwell has added in the last two years. Shit's amazing tbh considering how depleted that roster was.

68 Beadles, Zane G 6-4 305 27 5 Utah
24 Blackmon, Will CB 6-0 204 29 8 Boston College
5 Bortles, Blake QB 6-5 232 22 R UCF
70 Bowanko, Luke C 6-6 300 23 R Virginia
79 Bryant, Red DE 6-4 323 30 7 Texas A&M
91 Clemons, Chris DE 6-3 254 32 11 Georgia
37 Cyprien, Johnathan S 6-0 217 23 2 Florida International
26 Evans, Josh S 6-0 205 23 2 Florida
21 Gerhart, Toby RB 6-0 231 27 5 Stanford
27 Gratz, Dwayne CB 5-11 201 24 2 Connecticut
31 Harris, Jeremy CB 6-2 185 23 2 New Mexico State
55 Hayes, Geno LB 6-1 226 26 7 Florida State
92 Hood, Ziggy DT 6-3 300 27 6 Missouri
76 Joeckel, Luke OT 6-6 306 22 2 Texas A&M
34 Johnson, Storm RB 6-0 215 22 R UCF
95 Jones, Abry DT 6-4 312 22 2 Georgia
11 Lee, Marqise WR 6-0 192 22 R USC
65 Linder, Brandon G 6-6 311 22 R Miami (Fla.)
39 Loston, Craig S 6-2 209 24 R Louisiana State
99 Marks, Sen'Derrick DT 6-2 294 27 6 Auburn
97 Miller, Roy DT 6-2 310 27 6 Texas
6 Morris, Stephen QB 6-2 218 21 R Miami
67 Pasztor, Austin G 6-7 308 23 2 Virginia
56 Reynolds, LaRoy LB 6-1 243 23 2 Virginia
80 Robinson, Allen WR 6-3 210 20 R Penn State
16 Robinson, Denard WR 6-0 197 23 2 Michigan
98 Smith, Chris DE 6-1 266 22 R Arkansas
50 Smith, Telvin LB 6-3 218 23 R Florida State
30 Todman, Jordan RB 5-10 198 24 2 Connecticut
41 Colvin, Aaron CB 6-0 186 22 R Oklahoma
18 Sanders, Ace WR/PR 5-7 178 22 2 South Carolina
23 Ball, Alan CB 6-2 197 29 7 Illinois
57 Watson, Dekoda LB 6-2 240 26 5 Florida State

The list above is far and away better talent wise as a whole compared to what was there. It's a mixture of free agent proven vets, 1st and 2nd year draftee's. Here's another thing that is promising. GM Dave Caldwell believes in drafting big program talent and definitely focuses on players from the South and South East regions. That is something that I have been screaming for. I'm sure the Jags will be competitive and give some good teams some fits.

[RGMCSE]

SMH Ace Sanders just got popped. Idiot.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000367358/article/jacksonville-jaguars-ace-sanders-faces-fourgame-ban

[RGMCSE]

Gotta say I was impressed. Bortles stood tall in the pocket. Looked off safeties, took the hit while completing passes. Moved well on boot legs and protected the football. He finished 7-for-11 for 117 yards, but three in-completions were drops by receivers. It was against the second unit but damn it looked natural.

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000375977/Bortles-deep-pass-to-Brown

[Holden_Caulfield]

bridgewater looked terrible
carr had a good outing, his receivers didnt do him any favors
bortles had a terrific game
manziel did better than i expected

but logan thomas, albeit it was against 3rd stringers, texans 3rd stringers :lol, but the dude was fire.

[spurraider21]

its just been 1 preseason game so i wouldn't read much into them, but these were my thoughts going through the 4 qb's performances

- Bortles had the most impressive game of the bunch, obviously. he looked good, but when i went through it he was mostly throwing into soft zones. he had one particular throw where he gunned it and threaded the needle. pretty impressive. still, he was accurate, had a couple of drops, moved well. basically all the positive attributes we heard about Bortles were on full display. he has made the best case to get some run with the 1's, but apparently Gus Bradley is having none of it. i'm not sure why you dont give him a couple of series just to get a feel for where he is

- Bridgewater made some solid throws, his best one was called back by penalty, but he really looked like a rookie. He held the ball too long on several occasions. It got him sacked twice and closed windows on plays that should have been completions. his mobility looked solid, but he's certainly not a runner like RG3 or Wilson. He missed a number of throws. tbh he had the most disappointing game of the "big 4" of the rookie class. i thought he'd be the most pro ready but he really didn't look it. holding onto the ball too long is a sign that he's still in college mode and hasn't adapted yet.

- Carr did ok... i thought he didn't "look like a rookie" in that he was very quick and decisive. He would drop back and the ball was gone. no happy feet, no unnecessary pump fakes. that was good to see. he did miss some throws (threw behind the receiver twice, missed a contested throw low over the middle), and he stupidly tried to make a jump pass instead of squaring his shoulder on the pass that got tipped and picked off. his receivers were horrible. the fullback had 2 passes hit his hands that he couldn't catch, one of which he tipped up for a pick. Greg Little dropped 2 passes as well, one of which hit his facemask. andre holmes dropped one of carr's passes too. he still missed throws so im not going to say :cry it was all their fault :cry

- Manziel actually did about as well as i thought. he was overall pretty solid passing, missed a couple of throws that should have been caught. he made one terrific throw where he let it rip and put it on the money. people here underrate him as a passer. i've never thought he's a terrible passer, but i've had issues with his decision making and tendency to let his feet be his primary attribute, and thats the most memorable aspects of his game, the runs/scrambles. its just not a style of play that is typically sustainable, and will inevitably lead to injury in the NFL

[Clipper Nation]

Bortles looked surprisingly good.... ESPN of course reported that he was "starting slow" as part of their quest to suck off everything Johnny-related, though :lol

[RGMCSE]

Cant wait to see more of the class tbh. I was happy with Bortles but like Gus Bradley said it was with virtually no blitz or pressure. Which is common in preseason. I suspect the bears game on thursday will provide a better challenge for Bortles. I gotta catch up on the other QB's games so thanks for the analysis!
:toast

[RGMCSE]

Bortles looked surprisingly good.... ESPN of course reported that he was "starting slow" as part of their quest to suck off everything Johnny-related, though :lol

ESPN can't let the 3rd overall pick over shadow the late 1st rounder. :lol

[spurraider21]

Derek Carr on Madden:

Overall - 74
Speed - 80
Throw Power - 93
Short Accuracy - 86
Medium Accuracy - 74
Long Accuracy - 68
Throw on run - 75

Matt Schaub:

Overall - 78
Speed - 60
Throw Power - 84
Short Accuracy - 85
Medium Accuracy - 75
Long Accuracy - 79
Throw on Run - 72

[FkLA]

- Manziel actually did about as well as i thought. he was overall pretty solid passing, missed a couple of throws that should have been caught. he made one terrific throw where he let it rip and put it on the money. people here underrate him as a passer. i've never thought he's a terrible passer, but i've had issues with his decision making and tendency to let his feet be his primary attribute, and thats the most memorable aspects of his game, the runs/scrambles. its just not a style of play that is typically sustainable, and will inevitably lead to injury in the NFL

He missed one throw and obviously runs will stand out more. But to summarize, Football is good but that's all cancelled out by the fact that there's a possibility for injury? :lol

'Hey he's capable of racking up X amount of yards, but he might get injured in the process. Do not want.'

[spurraider21]

He missed one throw and obviously runs will stand out more. But to summarize, Football is good but that's all cancelled out by the fact that there's a possibility for injury? :lol

'Hey he's capable of racking up X amount of yards, but he might get injured in the process. Do not want.'
sounds like Vick in a nutshell

[FkLA]

[/B]sounds like Vick in a nutshell

Does Football have the injury history Vick does ?

[spurraider21]

Does Football have the injury history Vick does ?
his prospects are bleak. qb's dependent on their feet historically do not last. you have to bank on him being an outlier for some reason

[FkLA]

Dont think you know what the word dependent really means. Regardless, wheres this long list of players that were 'dependent' on their legs and eventually broke down ?

[spurraider21]

Dont think you know what the word dependent really means. Regardless, wheres this long list of players that were 'dependent' on their legs and eventually broke down ?
either broke down or didn't make it/didn't last because their style gets exposed on the NFL level. all the same to me. they don't last

[FkLA]

either broke down or didn't make it/didn't last because their style gets exposed on the NFL level. all the same to me. they don't last

So even if he stays healthy he will eventually wash out bc other QBs that could run failed? This despite your agreeing that hes a pretty underrated passer. 'Hes an underrated passer. He has no injury history. But other guys that could run sucked and/or got injured. That must guarantee Football will have the same fate.'

Makes perfect sense. :lol

[spurraider21]

So even if he stays healthy he will eventually wash out bc other QBs that could run failed? This despite your agreeing that hes a pretty underrated passer. 'Hes an underrated passer. He has no injury history. But other guys that could run sucked and/or got injured. That must guarantee Football will have the same fate.'

Makes perfect sense. :lol
its a general trend and he hits the mold. quarterbacks who defend on their feet for effectiveness by in large just don't work at the NFL level. it hasn't really proven to be a sustainable play style.

i said he's an underrated passer here, and that's because people make him out to be jamarcus russell accuracy wise and mark sanchez arm strength wise. i don't think he's a terrible passer. i also don't think he's anything special in that regard

michael vick didn't have an injury history in college either. NFL defenders are bigger, faster, stronger, and hit harder. when you run around in college and take hits its one thing. when you do so in the NFL its an entirely different animal.

i'm not guaranteeing manziel will have the same fate, i'm just looking at the large sample size in the NFL. but then again i'm a big russell wilson fan, though he's in a spot where he doesn't throw a ton and isn't really being leaned on. still, wilson has proven to be a very good NFL passer within his sample size despite a mediocre receiving crew and pass protecting line

you seem to ignore the history and just say "because he's football :hat"

[Holden_Caulfield]

so far all fared well.

bortles showing nice touch and adjusting nicely in the pros

carr showing poise and pocket presence

bridgewater bounced back nicely, had two impressive drives late in the game

didnt watch jimmy g but it seems hes gonna be the main backup for tom terrific :lol mallett might get cut

[Clipper Nation]

So far:

1. Bortles
2. Derek "Scha:lolb's Clipboard Holder" Carr
3. Bridgewater
4. Leaf 2.0

[Raven]

So far:

1. Bortles
2. Derek "Scha:lolb's Clipboard Holder" Carr
3. Bridgewater
4. Leaf 2.0

Garoppolo was easily #2 and Thomas #3, strictly based on visual rating.

[Holden_Caulfield]

lol bortles, the only one without a TD yet

[spurraider21]

lol bortles, the only one without a TD yet
hes been the best one so far tbh

[jimbo]

either broke down or didn't make it/didn't last because their style gets exposed on the NFL level. all the same to me. they don't last

fwiw this is all me Avante style rambling

I don't know what you mean by exposed. A QB who can make plays with his feet's style can't get exposed--it's just an extra weapon the QB has. Injury from running is the only downside. The best dual threat QB was prolly 2010 Vick--and his play itself never really got exposed.

The one read and run guys get exposed because they never make the transition from college to the NFL. Cam was like that at Auburn. Johnny was like that his first year, but actually tried to go through progressions his second. Wilson wasn't. Luck wasn't. RGknee wasn't but played in a "playless" system offense. I don't think you can use this against Football considering that 99% of college QBs don't make it from their college offenses to the NFL ones.

As for durability, I don't know if we even have a whole lot of evidence on that. All of the running QBs who have got their shot have either been the bigger 6'4 dudes or have been athletes masquerading as QBs. Problem with using the bigger guys to compare is that the 6'4 athletic QBs have different issues with injury from where guys have to tackle em. You don't hit Cam like you hit Wilson. You have to fuck Cam's knees/collarbone up to bring him down. The other guys aren't real QBs, no point in talking about them. (Ex: Kordell Stewart)

So who's left? Athletic system QBs. Guys like Akili Smith, Andre Ware, RG3. Cause shit, even Vick didn't play in a QB friendly offense like all of these guys did.

Akili Smith and Ware flamed out because they were never pro style passers and couldn't make the transition, so not because of injury. If Knee flames out, it'll be because of injury--but Cleveland certainly isn't going to run as much zone read as the Redskins did...


tl;dr
All I've managed to say in all of this is the "no shit" comment that if Football doesn't pan out, it's not going to be because of injury--it'll be because he's like every other system QB who can't make the transition. It doesn't matter that he ran a lot in college.


its a general trend and he hits the mold. quarterbacks who defend on their feet for effectiveness by in large just don't work at the NFL level. it hasn't really proven to be a sustainable play style.

Rodgers/Big Ben/Wilson all do it just fine in a sustainable way. What isn't sustainable is 1) Not sliding like Vick 2) read option based offenses.

I think Johnny will slide and try to protect himself, but I don't think he's a NFL ready QB today even though everyone/ESPN wants him to be. He's what, 21 years old? He played in a system offense in college. He was never forced to really go through his progressions and could do stupid hail mary shit because he had the best safety blanket in CFB.

He should be miles away from being NFL ready tbh.

[spurraider21]

A QB who can make plays with his feet's style can't get exposed--it's just an extra weapon the QB has
i always hear this phrase, and it sounds so amazing in theory, but it almost never really works out that way. that's what they said about RG3 coming out of college. that he's an amazing passer, and his running only adds to his game. very few QB's use their mobility tastefully. rodgers does it, big ben does it, andrew luck does it.

Russell Wilson is an anomaly. im a huge fan of his, and he defies the mold. however, much like Luck and big ben, Wilson is actually pretty thick. he's not a shrimpy guy like vick or manziel. also, wilson does a great job of sliding and doesn't take too many huge hits when running downfield. he usually bee-lines to the sideline or slides quite early. i get nervous with wilson when he starts scrambling behind the line and reversing field. it also helps that wilson is actually an above average passer from within the pocket, with terrific arm strength

[jimbo]

i always hear this phrase, and it sounds so amazing in theory, but it almost never really works out that way. that's what they said about RG3 coming out of college. that he's an amazing passer, and his running only adds to his game. very few QB's use their mobility tastefully. rodgers does it, big ben does it, andrew luck does it.

Russell Wilson is an anomaly. im a huge fan of his, and he defies the mold. however, much like Luck and big ben, Wilson is actually pretty thick. he's not a shrimpy guy like vick or manziel. also, wilson does a great job of sliding and doesn't take too many huge hits when running downfield. he usually bee-lines to the sideline or slides quite early. i get nervous with wilson when he starts scrambling behind the line and reversing field.

That's because they fucking ran zone-read plays half the time with the Redskins which obviously leads to unnecessary hits on your QB. That and RG3 thought he was some kind of genius by gaming the system and encouraging late hits on himself for flags. Oh, and he thought he was a warrior by playing through injury...

When you have athletic guys with common sense who play within themselves, you end up with Russell Wilson/Luck. Manziel doesn't have the common sense off the field, but he at least knows the limitations of his body or what he is as a player unlike RG3/Vick.

I want to say Manziel is a smart guy, but I don't know how to phrase it right. He's not book smart like RG3. Like he has common sense, but lacks good judgment.

I don't think his weight'll be an issue. He's north of 200 isn't he? He's likely within 10 pounds of whatever Wilson is. I haven't gotten to see any of his preseason games, but is he still rolled up in padding like he was at A&M? He always wore a shit ton it looked like. (Or maybe it just looked like that because he's not tall)

[FkLA]

fwiw this is all me Avante style rambling

I don't know what you mean by exposed. A QB who can make plays with his feet's style can't get exposed--it's just an extra weapon the QB has. Injury from running is the only downside. The best dual threat QB was prolly 2010 Vick--and his play itself never really got exposed.

The one read and run guys get exposed because they never make the transition from college to the NFL. Cam was like that at Auburn. Johnny was like that his first year, but actually tried to go through progressions his second. Wilson wasn't. Luck wasn't. RGknee wasn't but played in a "playless" system offense. I don't think you can use this against Football considering that 99% of college QBs don't make it from their college offenses to the NFL ones.

As for durability, I don't know if we even have a whole lot of evidence on that. All of the running QBs who have got their shot have either been the bigger 6'4 dudes or have been athletes masquerading as QBs. Problem with using the bigger guys to compare is that the 6'4 athletic QBs have different issues with injury from where guys have to tackle em. You don't hit Cam like you hit Wilson. You have to fuck Cam's knees/collarbone up to bring him down. The other guys aren't real QBs, no point in talking about them. (Ex: Kordell Stewart)

So who's left? Athletic system QBs. Guys like Akili Smith, Andre Ware, RG3. Cause shit, even Vick didn't play in a QB friendly offense like all of these guys did.

Akili Smith and Ware flamed out because they were never pro style passers and couldn't make the transition, so not because of injury. If Knee flames out, it'll be because of injury--but Cleveland certainly isn't going to run as much zone read as the Redskins did...


tl;dr
All I've managed to say in all of this is the "no shit" comment that if Football doesn't pan out, it's not going to be because of injury--it'll be because he's like every other system QB who can't make the transition. It doesn't matter that he ran a lot in college.



Rodgers/Big Ben/Wilson all do it just fine in a sustainable way. What isn't sustainable is 1) Not sliding like Vick 2) read option based offenses.

I think Johnny will slide and try to protect himself, but I don't think he's a NFL ready QB today even though everyone/ESPN wants him to be. He's what, 21 years old? He played in a system offense in college. He was never forced to really go through his progressions and could do stupid hail mary shit because he had the best safety blanket in CFB.

He should be miles away from being NFL ready tbh.

Great, great post tbh.

[spurraider21]

being reliant on your feet isn't sustainable. while luck and rodgers (the 2 ideal guys with mobility, imo) have good mobility, their effectiveness is not reliant on their feet. these are 2 cases where their mobility is only a positive. in other cases, it just isn't. those 2 also happen to be elite passers. regardless of your mobility, it has been time tested that being an effective qb from within the pocket is still a key to success. manziel is an average at best prospect when it comes to that

wilson is one of those rare exceptions but he is also a terrific, accurate passer. he is also on a team that doesn't emphasize the passing game nearly as much as others.

[FkLA]

The point is you are using a very limited sample to come to that conclusion. If Football fails it will be bc of his own faults as a passer, not bc 'QBs that can run don't work'.

He's 21 and not a stupid football player. He will only improve, the question is how much.

[spurraider21]

The point is you are using a very limited sample to come to that conclusion. If Football fails it will be bc of his own faults as a passer, not bc 'QBs that can run don't work'.

He's 21 and not a stupid football player. He will only improve, the question is how much.
he's an average at best passing prospect, and as we all know, he won't succeed in the NFL playing the same way he did in college. he's going to have to move around less (what made him great) and throw from the pocket more.

[FkLA]

You have the right to have your opinion on Football. Ultimately 21 is way too soon to tell just how much he will develop as a passer.

My only issue is when people say he won't last bc dumb niggas like Vick/RGIII didnt. Or that he can't throw bc a guy like Vince Young couldnt. He's a smarter football player than the formers and has a much better arm than the latter. He has some obstacles to overcome to be successful but learning to avoid contact+having a decent throwing motion aren't part of it.

[spurraider21]

You have the right to have your opinion on Football. Ultimately 21 is way too soon to tell just how much he will develop as a passer.

My only issue is when people say he won't last bc dumb niggas like Vick/RGIII didnt. Or that he can't throw bc a guy like Vince Young couldnt. He's a smarter football player than the formers and has a much better arm than the latter. He has some obstacles to overcome to be successful but learning to avoid contact+having a decent throwing motion aren't part of it.
It's early, but I'm discussing him as a prospect. We've seen prospects outperform expectations or underperform in all sports. But just as a passer, he's no better than an average prospect

[Holden_Caulfield]

hes been the best one so far tbh
i agree but he has been blitz like twice so far :lol

[RGMCSE]

i agree but he has been blitz like twice so far :lol

I was on a conference call today with client from Detroit. I asked him if he was ready for the Jags on Friday and he went straight into how the Lions d-line is way overrated and that they cant get push with a basic front four rush. He said even Detroit fans overrate their defense and the secondary is prime for exploitation. I was like damn! I guess Bortles gonna have to wait till week four to be tested then. :lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

I was on a conference call today with client from Detroit. I asked him if he was ready for the Jags on Friday and he went straight into how the Lions d-line is way overrated and that they cant get push with a basic front four rush. He said even Detroit fans overrate their defense and the secondary is prime for exploitation. I was like damn! I guess Bortles gonna have to wait till week four to be tested then. :lol
i doubt bortles will play until halfway through the season, we just lost our starting RT for a month and our center positiong is not settled yet. henne is gonna get abused :lol

[spurraider21]

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-s-nfl-preview--breaking-down-the-rookie-quarterbacks-164847540.html

Let’s start our look at some notable rookie quarterbacks with Cleveland’s Johnny Manziel (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/27550/) because he’ll be a seminal player in many minds. That’s because he’s a classic example for the question: What is the quarterback position in the NFL right now?

When quarterbacks who played in spread offenses in college like Manziel did at Texas A&M, they have almost no understanding of pocket play – three-step drops, five- and seven-step drops, the play-action passing game. And in the NFL the routes time up with the drops. Spread quarterbacks have no grasp of that, and it’s not their fault. They weren't asked to do that in college. And the more a spread quarterback was a runner in college, the more the issue is exacerbated because they tend to rely on their legs. Those quarterbacks usually perceive pressure and react to jersey color more than pocket quarterbacks.

You can do some things to take advantage of a quarterback’s mobility, but the question in the NFL will be, what’s an acceptable level of pocket play in order to play quarterback at a reasonably high level?

At this point Manziel is solely a movement player, with read-option concepts and play-action bootlegs. There is no sense of timing and rhythm to Manziel’s play in the pocket; it’s random and arbitrary. There was a great example of how this affects the Browns offense in the fourth preseason game against Chicago.

On the second play of the third quarter, the Browns ran a deep corner/crossing route combination against a Bears defense with eight in the box and a single safety deep. And that’s "Route Concepts 101," a very basic concept to beat that defense. Because this was the second play after halftime, it’s a good bet they talked about it at halftime, anticipated the coverage and called the play to beat it. The crossing route was wide open with Manziel in a clean pocket, but he stayed on the deep route too long then broke down in the pocket. He ran around and made a late and inaccurate check down to the fullback for an incompletion.

Now how do you feel if you’re Browns offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan? You called the right play against the coverage, it just didn’t get executed. As a coach, how do you structure an offense when you can’t anticipate free-wheeling and random plays? How do you game plan? How do you practice? You’re a coach working 16, 17 hours a day studying tendencies and putting a game plan together. What level of confidence can you have that the game plan will be executed?

Manziel has good speed, but not great speed like Michael Vick. He has good short-area quickness and maneuverability. And he has better than average arm strength, but not a really big arm. And now we’re back to the subtleties of playing quarterback. There are mechanics and balance and footwork. He doesn’t have any of those when he plays. And it’s not his fault, or unexpected, because it’s all new to him. But he doesn’t play in the confines of the offensive structure at this point. Will that change? Nobody knows that. It’s too soon. But he’s got a really long way to go.




Jacksonville’s Blake Bortles (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/27531/)

Bortles is a big physical kid and I thought in the preseason he did everything he was asked. He understood everything the Jaguars wanted him to do.
He’s a little bit of a quirky thrower but he does have good arm strength. He’s not in the Joe Flacco/Matthew Stafford category, but he can throw it. You saw that on a 57-yard touchdown to Marqise Lee (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/27567/) last week.

He was actually way late on that throw – he should have hit Lee much sooner than he did. But he waited and then he threw downfield flat footed with people around him. And he got it there.

NFL people will say that a quarterback needs to make throws when his lower body is not involved because of people around him in the pocket. And that throw by Bortles to Lee was all from the waist up.

Through the preseason, Bortles showed mental ability to recognize coverage before the snap, audible and make the right throw to the right receiver. He worked effectively out of a muddied pocket, standing tall and strong. He showed the ability to avoid the rush and re-set with both movement and strength. Now, I have no problem with what the Jaguars are doing, starting Chad Henne to start the season. Theoretically no rookie quarterback is ready to play week 1 in the NFL. But there’s nothing not to like based on what Bortles did in the preseason.





Minnesota’s Teddy Bridgewater

Bridgewater is pretty refined and advanced in the subtleties of the position. He’s got a good sense of progression reading because he played a pro-style offense at Louisville. So Bridgewater gets all that.

I don’t know if the physical gifts are enough to be more than a mid-level quarterback. The ball doesn’t come out with a lot of juice, especially on intermediate routes, which are a staple of Vikings offensive coordinator Norv Turner’s offense. I’m going to be interested to see the kinds of throws he can make when his lower body can’t get into it. He flicks the ball more than he drives it. But he has the instincts of a pocket quarterback.

To me, Bridgewater is along the lines of an Andy Dalton. Does a franchise need a superstar QB to win a Super Bowl? That’s the question in that era. I don’t see Bridgewater as one of those kinds of guys, though that doesn’t mean he can’t be a quality starter.





Oakland’s Derek Carr (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/27564/)

Carr had choppy footwork at the start of the preseason (he came from a spread offense at Fresno State) but I think it got better. That leads me to believe he’s a player who, just looking at the tape and not being there, looks he is being coached well and is receptive to it. And he’s way better with people around him in the pocket than I thought he’d be. That was the knock on him coming out of college.

He showed that on a 27-yard pass to Mychal Rivera in last week’s game against Seattle. It was designed to be a three-step drop timing throw, but the defense took that away. So Carr navigated the pocket, kept a downfield focus and had a good aggressive throw with good ball location. That’s NFL quarterbacking.

Carr has a snap, compact delivery on short to intermediate throws, and has excellent velocity. He has very quick feet on rollouts and an aggressive mentality. And on a 36-yard touchdown to Denarius Moore against Seattle he also showed understanding of coverages, then patience and pose. He knew what he had pre-snap and delivered the ball with touch and accuracy.



Tennessee’s Zach Mettenberger (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/27706/)
I liked Mettenberger coming out of a college, and he looked good this preseason (he led the NFL with 659 passing yards).

Mettenberger will always throw balls that should be thrown. If you know the route combinations against certain coverages, and if you know where the ball should go in those situations, then you know Mettenberger throws the ball where the ball should go. It comes out in the proper timing and rhythm of the play. You rarely watch Mettenberger and say, “The ball should have come out there and didn’t.”

And he’s good against pressure in the pocket, feeling it but not seeing it, so he’ll wait and make throws that runners wouldn’t. And he has shown great anticipation. In the second preseason game he threw a 64-yard touchdown to Justin Hunter, and if you look at the moment he started to pull the trigger you’d say, “Who’s he throwing to?” But he knew where to go with the ball. He was decisive with his reads and throws, which he showed all preseason. That’s what it takes to play in this league. At some point in the NFL you’re going to have to make throws.

[RGMCSE]

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-s-nfl-preview--breaking-down-the-rookie-quarterbacks-164847540.html

Let’s start our look at some notable rookie quarterbacks with Cleveland’s Johnny Manziel (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/27550/) because he’ll be a seminal player in many minds. That’s because he’s a classic example for the question: What is the quarterback position in the NFL right now?

When quarterbacks who played in spread offenses in college like Manziel did at Texas A&M, they have almost no understanding of pocket play – three-step drops, five- and seven-step drops, the play-action passing game. And in the NFL the routes time up with the drops. Spread quarterbacks have no grasp of that, and it’s not their fault. They weren't asked to do that in college. And the more a spread quarterback was a runner in college, the more the issue is exacerbated because they tend to rely on their legs. Those quarterbacks usually perceive pressure and react to jersey color more than pocket quarterbacks.

You can do some things to take advantage of a quarterback’s mobility, but the question in the NFL will be, what’s an acceptable level of pocket play in order to play quarterback at a reasonably high level?

At this point Manziel is solely a movement player, with read-option concepts and play-action bootlegs. There is no sense of timing and rhythm to Manziel’s play in the pocket; it’s random and arbitrary. There was a great example of how this affects the Browns offense in the fourth preseason game against Chicago.

On the second play of the third quarter, the Browns ran a deep corner/crossing route combination against a Bears defense with eight in the box and a single safety deep. And that’s "Route Concepts 101," a very basic concept to beat that defense. Because this was the second play after halftime, it’s a good bet they talked about it at halftime, anticipated the coverage and called the play to beat it. The crossing route was wide open with Manziel in a clean pocket, but he stayed on the deep route too long then broke down in the pocket. He ran around and made a late and inaccurate check down to the fullback for an incompletion.

Now how do you feel if you’re Browns offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan? You called the right play against the coverage, it just didn’t get executed. As a coach, how do you structure an offense when you can’t anticipate free-wheeling and random plays? How do you game plan? How do you practice? You’re a coach working 16, 17 hours a day studying tendencies and putting a game plan together. What level of confidence can you have that the game plan will be executed?

Manziel has good speed, but not great speed like Michael Vick. He has good short-area quickness and maneuverability. And he has better than average arm strength, but not a really big arm. And now we’re back to the subtleties of playing quarterback. There are mechanics and balance and footwork. He doesn’t have any of those when he plays. And it’s not his fault, or unexpected, because it’s all new to him. But he doesn’t play in the confines of the offensive structure at this point. Will that change? Nobody knows that. It’s too soon. But he’s got a really long way to go.




Jacksonville’s Blake Bortles (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/27531/)

Bortles is a big physical kid and I thought in the preseason he did everything he was asked. He understood everything the Jaguars wanted him to do.
He’s a little bit of a quirky thrower but he does have good arm strength. He’s not in the Joe Flacco/Matthew Stafford category, but he can throw it. You saw that on a 57-yard touchdown to Marqise Lee (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/27567/) last week.

He was actually way late on that throw – he should have hit Lee much sooner than he did. But he waited and then he threw downfield flat footed with people around him. And he got it there.

NFL people will say that a quarterback needs to make throws when his lower body is not involved because of people around him in the pocket. And that throw by Bortles to Lee was all from the waist up.

Through the preseason, Bortles showed mental ability to recognize coverage before the snap, audible and make the right throw to the right receiver. He worked effectively out of a muddied pocket, standing tall and strong. He showed the ability to avoid the rush and re-set with both movement and strength. Now, I have no problem with what the Jaguars are doing, starting Chad Henne to start the season. Theoretically no rookie quarterback is ready to play week 1 in the NFL. But there’s nothing not to like based on what Bortles did in the preseason.





Minnesota’s Teddy Bridgewater

Bridgewater is pretty refined and advanced in the subtleties of the position. He’s got a good sense of progression reading because he played a pro-style offense at Louisville. So Bridgewater gets all that.

I don’t know if the physical gifts are enough to be more than a mid-level quarterback. The ball doesn’t come out with a lot of juice, especially on intermediate routes, which are a staple of Vikings offensive coordinator Norv Turner’s offense. I’m going to be interested to see the kinds of throws he can make when his lower body can’t get into it. He flicks the ball more than he drives it. But he has the instincts of a pocket quarterback.

To me, Bridgewater is along the lines of an Andy Dalton. Does a franchise need a superstar QB to win a Super Bowl? That’s the question in that era. I don’t see Bridgewater as one of those kinds of guys, though that doesn’t mean he can’t be a quality starter.





Oakland’s Derek Carr (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/27564/)

Carr had choppy footwork at the start of the preseason (he came from a spread offense at Fresno State) but I think it got better. That leads me to believe he’s a player who, just looking at the tape and not being there, looks he is being coached well and is receptive to it. And he’s way better with people around him in the pocket than I thought he’d be. That was the knock on him coming out of college.

He showed that on a 27-yard pass to Mychal Rivera in last week’s game against Seattle. It was designed to be a three-step drop timing throw, but the defense took that away. So Carr navigated the pocket, kept a downfield focus and had a good aggressive throw with good ball location. That’s NFL quarterbacking.

Carr has a snap, compact delivery on short to intermediate throws, and has excellent velocity. He has very quick feet on rollouts and an aggressive mentality. And on a 36-yard touchdown to Denarius Moore against Seattle he also showed understanding of coverages, then patience and pose. He knew what he had pre-snap and delivered the ball with touch and accuracy.



Tennessee’s Zach Mettenberger (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/27706/)
I liked Mettenberger coming out of a college, and he looked good this preseason (he led the NFL with 659 passing yards).

Mettenberger will always throw balls that should be thrown. If you know the route combinations against certain coverages, and if you know where the ball should go in those situations, then you know Mettenberger throws the ball where the ball should go. It comes out in the proper timing and rhythm of the play. You rarely watch Mettenberger and say, “The ball should have come out there and didn’t.”

And he’s good against pressure in the pocket, feeling it but not seeing it, so he’ll wait and make throws that runners wouldn’t. And he has shown great anticipation. In the second preseason game he threw a 64-yard touchdown to Justin Hunter, and if you look at the moment he started to pull the trigger you’d say, “Who’s he throwing to?” But he knew where to go with the ball. He was decisive with his reads and throws, which he showed all preseason. That’s what it takes to play in this league. At some point in the NFL you’re going to have to make throws.

Looks like Carr is the starter. I wish he had a better pass block oline. But good luck to the kid. The league needs a few more young QB's, I'll be watching to see what he can do.

[RGMCSE]

Despite having one of the worst O-lines and offenses known to man kind somehow Borltes leads the league in 3rd down completion %. How the fuck?:lol By the way Spurraider, your boy looks pretty promising so at least we have hope for our shitty franchises. :bobo


Here's the article:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000410869/article/rookie-watch-the-quarterback-class

[Holden_Caulfield]

lol bortles. lol 3rd overall. lol fml. lol jags

[Raven]

i'd say the whole generation is very far from good or ready. They all play in terrible teams, but they need to put their head out of their ass too.

[spurraider21]

Bridgewater has been ok, but i'm not really seeing his ceiling being much higher than average at best starting QB

[Holden_Caulfield]

my nigga carr, cream of the crop :cry

[spurraider21]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-s-film-review--analyzing-last-year-s-rookie-quarterbacks-180424935.html

[spurraider21]

all 4 got wins today

[FkLA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8qS80W-8aE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vgaJDjd4uE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4yUTJiBFzU

:worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

[spurraider21]

that last touchdown was vintage tbh

[spurraider21]

FkLA we got manziel vs carr this weekend, care to make it interesting? its in CLE btw

[FkLA]

FkLA (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17213) we got manziel vs carr this weekend, care to make it interesting? its in CLE btw

Is he starting for sure? Or have they officially switched to him as the starter and I missed it? Been busy and haven't paid attention to the latest news in Cleveland tbh.

[spurraider21]

true, i forgot that scrub was still battling it out with josh fuckin mcc:lolwn.

most reports are saying they're leaning johnny tho

[spurraider21]

well nevermind, browns announce mccown is starting

[FkLA]

shit franchise making shit decisions tbh

[spurraider21]

http://i.imgur.com/o8byLlG.jpg

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

We'll see how Carr looks when the game is on the line this year. That and 3rd down is where the QB makes their money/name.

[Holden_Caulfield]

We'll see how Carr looks when the game is on the line this year. That and 3rd down is where the QB makes their money/name.
he plays well they win, he doesnt they lose. simple tbh

[spurraider21]

We'll see how Carr looks when the game is on the line this year. That and 3rd down is where the QB makes their money/name.
he's been in 2 of those situations this year, against baltimore and denver. against baltimore he took them down the field and threw the game winning TD with about 30 seconds to go. against denver, he threw hot and the receiver never turned for the ball and it became a pick 6. receiver was Seth Roberts both times, ironically

vs baltimore


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rXfFCY5P0w

vs denver

http://giant.gfycat.com/VapidPerkyHorseshoecrab.gif