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Henrik Sedin
07-20-2014, 08:03 PM
Via Twotter. Delete if already posted I'm on my phone

RD2191
07-20-2014, 08:05 PM
In before 90 pages and 10 extra of meltdowns.

BatManu20
07-20-2014, 08:06 PM
Interesting. via who? Not seeing anything.

BatManu20
07-20-2014, 08:07 PM
Pick the Spurs tbh. Despite the fact that everyone on ST thinks he sucks and doesn't warrant a spot on the team, he'd be a valuable addition here and would be a nice player to use sparingly. Good backup to Kawhi imo.

stephen jackson
07-20-2014, 08:07 PM
perfect addition, would add extreme versatility to a already versatile offense,
especially on defense

ChumpDumper
07-20-2014, 08:08 PM
Would rather have him here than there, but OP is a douche for not posting a link.

flox
07-20-2014, 08:09 PM
Interesting. via who? Not seeing anything.

https://twitter.com/DwainPrice/status/490956863731548160

Henrik Sedin
07-20-2014, 08:10 PM
Dwain Price @DwainPrice
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If Marion can't get the $5.3 mil MLE from the #Spurs or #Rockets, he may take the $2.73 mil room exception from the #Mavs, Chi, LAL or Cha.
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ChumpDumper
07-20-2014, 08:11 PM
So it's not even a rumor.

lol tspence

Henrik Sedin
07-20-2014, 08:12 PM
So it's not even a rumor.

lol tspence

It was rumored your sister was gonna be on my dick.

It was later confirmed.

ChumpDumper
07-20-2014, 08:13 PM
It was rumored your sister was gonna be on my dick.

It was later confirmed.lol salty OP needs reading lessons.

Still not even a rumor.

Daniel Sedin
07-20-2014, 08:17 PM
lol salty OP needs reading lessons.

Still not even a rumor.


your sis was salty after we showered her

RD2191
07-20-2014, 08:18 PM
It was rumored your sister was gonna be on my dick.

It was later confirmed.
:lmao

ChumpDumper
07-20-2014, 08:19 PM
your sis was salty after we showered herToo bad about your thread.

Roberto wants to suck you off now, so it wasn't a total loss for you.

RD2191
07-20-2014, 08:24 PM
:lmaoBitch nigga can't keep my name out his mouth. What a faggot.

ChumpDumper
07-20-2014, 08:26 PM
lol berto trying to act tough again. Breaking out his kneepads for other posters per par.

Ice009
07-20-2014, 08:28 PM
Would you guys give Marion the full MLE for one season or for 2 seasons with a TO for the second season? That's the only way I'd consider signing him.

If he wants it guaranteed for more than one season, then I am not really interested in that.

I'm not sure if any of the remaining free agents are worth the full MLE. Possibly Marion, not sure if anyone else is worth it though. What do you guys think in regards to the remaining free agents?

If the Spurs were to cut Ayres, do you guys think that Marion can fill in at backup PF?

RD2191
07-20-2014, 08:28 PM
:lmaoDude must be a faggot, keeps talking about gay things. What a queer.

ChumpDumper
07-20-2014, 08:31 PM
:lmaoDude must be a faggot, keeps talking about gay things. What a queer.lol berto projecting

DPG21920
07-20-2014, 08:32 PM
Marion & Blatche would be the only two guys I personally would want the Spurs to dip into the MLE for at this point. Maybe a guy like Ramon Sessions, but not sure about that one. I'd have to think about it.

DesignatedT
07-20-2014, 08:34 PM
I think Marion would be a perfect fit here tbh. I agree that I wouldn't want to give him multiple years though. A two year deal with an out after year one would be ideal. The Spurs could have some pretty scary defensive lineups with Green-Leonard-Marion manning the wings.

ChumpDumper
07-20-2014, 08:35 PM
Marion & Blatche would be the only two guys I personally would want the Spurs to dip into the MLE for at this point. Maybe a guy like Ramon Sessions, but not sure about that one. I'd have to think about it.I don't think any decent PG who could be a rotation player elsewhere is going to sign on to warm a seat for Mills.

Blatche? Not enough minutes for him either probably.

Marion seems like a fit for both team and player.

DPG21920
07-20-2014, 08:38 PM
I don't think any decent PG who could be a rotation player elsewhere is going to sign on to warm a seat for Mills.

Blatche? Not enough minutes for him either probably.

Marion seems like a fit for both team and player.

Sure - fit aside, I was just answering a question about which guys available would I be willing to dip into the MLE for. I agree there are much better fits for Blatche, but if he were willing to come to SA for MLE, I think he's one of the few that is worth it financially.

Agree about the PGs in general, but there are more minutes for back up PG's on the Spurs than almost any other playoff team. A PG wanting to win + get minutes could do a lot worse.

Ice009
07-20-2014, 08:39 PM
I think Marion would be a perfect fit here tbh. I agree that I wouldn't want to give him multiple years though. A two year deal with an out after year one would be ideal. The Spurs could have some pretty scary defensive lineups with Green-Leonard-Marion manning the wings.

I think I could definitely be OK with that. I don't want to give him multiple years though. From the remaining guys left, I'd definitely consider giving him the full MLE, but only for one season or with a team option on the second season.

I should also mention, that if it wasn't for Marion's shooting form, then I'd probably have been pushing hard for the Spurs to sign him as the second choice behind Gasol, but as a shooter myself, his shooting form puts me off so much, so that kind of clouds my opinion towards his overall game.

How about Aminu for the BAE? You think he can be had for that?

Anyone think Blatche might accept the BAE? or would it be too low for him? Can anyone comment on his defense? Can he at least play better defense than Ayres? How is his rebounding?

DPG21920
07-20-2014, 08:40 PM
Marion, IMO, would be a great addition. He's still played at a passible level, runs the floor well & going against back ups would probably still be very net positive.

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
07-20-2014, 08:41 PM
I think I could be OK with that. Definitely won't want to give him multiple years. From the remaining guys left, I'd definitely consider giving it to him, but only for one season or with an team option on the second season.

How about Aminu for the BAE? You think he can be had for that?

Anyone think Blatche might accept the BAE? or would it be too low for him? Can anyone comment on his defense? Can he at least play better defense than Ayres? How is his rebounding?

I don't think his defense is significantly better, but his offense is without a doubt.

Trill Clinton
07-20-2014, 08:42 PM
In before 90 pages and 10 extra of meltdowns.

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Ice009
07-20-2014, 08:44 PM
I don't think his defense is significantly better, but his offense is without a doubt.

Thanks. I should have mentioned that I don't need to know about his offense, as I definitely know it's much better. Just wanted to know more about the rest of his game.

Ice009
07-20-2014, 08:46 PM
Sure - fit aside, I was just answering a question about which guys available would I be willing to dip into the MLE for. I agree there are much better fits for Blatche, but if he were willing to come to SA for MLE, I think he's one of the few that is worth it financially.

Agree about the PGs in general, but there are more minutes for back up PG's on the Spurs than almost any other playoff team. A PG wanting to win + get minutes could do a lot worse.

How much would you give Blatche? When you say MLE, do you mean part of it, or do you think he's good enough to get full MLE type money?

Bill_Brasky
07-20-2014, 08:47 PM
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:lmao

DPG21920
07-20-2014, 08:53 PM
How much would you give Blatche? When you say MLE, do you mean part of it, or do you think he's good enough to get full MLE type money?

Well for Spurs, I want them to be mindful of 2017 when making moves. I definitely think he probably earned himself a full MLE deal but I don't know if I would want that.

FireMicoHalili
07-20-2014, 08:56 PM
Probably won't end up in SA, but I'd prefer him playing back-up SF/PF over Daye/Ayres. No roster spots left until they dump someone.

Ditty
07-20-2014, 08:58 PM
I would love Marion for the MLE especially on a one year contract. Not getting my hopes high I still thinks he returns to Dallas. If we sign him, either Baynes is not coming back or now that summer league is over that the Spurs are going to get rid of either Ayers or Daye.

ironman2886
07-20-2014, 08:59 PM
100 pages, here we come.

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Mr. Body
07-20-2014, 09:02 PM
I wanted Marion at the start of the offseason, even more than Gasol. They could actually use Marion. Still, OP is posting bullshit so far.

Anyway, make with the gifs. The first two have been awesome.

ElNono
07-20-2014, 09:06 PM
Don't want Marion. I don't see any upside on having him, tbh... he's well past his shelf-life, and I rather the Spurs develop a youngster to back up Kawhi.

Mr. Body
07-20-2014, 09:08 PM
Don't want Marion. I don't see any upside on having him, tbh... he's well past his shelf-life, and I rather the Spurs develop a youngster to back up Kawhi.

You're not going to find anyone nearly as productive as Marion is to back up Kawhi, even at his age. And Austin Daye is about the best you're going to get as far as youngsters go.

jeebus
07-20-2014, 09:09 PM
Don't want Marion. I don't see any upside on having him, tbh... he's well past his shelf-life, and I rather the Spurs develop a youngster to back up Kawhi.

But Pop has a hard on for washed up turds. You know this. Anyways, I'll take Marion if it means waiving Dayres.

Darkwaters
07-20-2014, 09:11 PM
Anyway, make with the gifs. The first two have been awesome.

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Darkwaters
07-20-2014, 09:13 PM
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Darkwaters
07-20-2014, 09:14 PM
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ElNono
07-20-2014, 09:16 PM
You're not going to find anyone nearly as productive as Marion is to back up Kawhi, even at his age. And Austin Daye is about the best you're going to get as far as youngsters go.

He's an over the hill guy that can give you 10 and 6 playing 30mpg. Playing just 20-25, he's due to give you even less.

Here's how I look at Marion: can he still defend (his best asset) at a high level? No, he cannot. He can't move laterally anywhere as good anymore.

I rather use those minutes to develop Daye or Anderson. You might get less production overall than Marion this season, but you're building something there.

At the end of the daye, if Kawhi goes down, neither Marion or any of those other guys can come close to replacing what he brings, so might aswell save the money and spend the minutes looking at the future.

IMO obvously.

Darkwaters
07-20-2014, 09:17 PM
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ElNono
07-20-2014, 09:19 PM
Darkie, dear, those are not GIFs...

jeebus
07-20-2014, 09:23 PM
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Kindergarten Cop
07-20-2014, 09:26 PM
https://twitter.com/DwainPrice/status/490956863731548160


Dwain Price @DwainPrice
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If Marion can't get the $5.3 mil MLE from the #Spurs or #Rockets, he may take the $2.73 mil room exception from the #Mavs, Chi, LAL or Cha.
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Later in that thread, Price admitted that it was "just a guess". As Chump stated, not even a rumor - merely speculation based on Playoff teams that have the MLE available.

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Ice009
07-20-2014, 09:30 PM
He's an over the hill guy that can give you 10 and 6 playing 30mpg. Playing just 20-25, he's due to give you even less.

Here's how I look at Marion: can he still defend (his best asset) at a high level? No, he cannot. He can't move laterally anywhere as good anymore.

I rather use those minutes to develop Daye or Anderson. You might get less production overall than Marion this season, but you're building something there.

At the end of the daye, if Kawhi goes down, neither Marion or any of those other guys can come close to replacing what he brings, so might aswell save the money and spend the minutes looking at the future.

IMO obvously.

What if Marion accepted less than the full MLE. Would you still say no?

Big Empty
07-20-2014, 09:32 PM
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Splits
07-20-2014, 09:33 PM
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DPG21920
07-20-2014, 09:35 PM
Splits with the t-spence parody account.

ElNono
07-20-2014, 09:37 PM
What if Marion accepted less than the full MLE. Would you still say no?

I'm with jeebs that if the upside is we're waiving Ayres, then OK... otherwise, I rather the minutes go somewhere else, tbh...

emanueldavidginobili
07-20-2014, 09:42 PM
There's a lot of talk about him going to the lakers. I wouldn't mind the Spurs signing him

KL2
07-20-2014, 09:43 PM
Whoever SA signs they should do it ASAP. It takes time getting acclimated to their system, and you definitely don't want someone coming in mid season ruining the chemistry.

Blizzardwizard
07-20-2014, 09:43 PM
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I wanna believe it, I really do :cry

T Park
07-20-2014, 09:48 PM
Don't want Marion. I don't see any upside on having him, tbh... he's well past his shelf-life, and I rather the Spurs develop a youngster to back up Kawhi.

The youngster you speak of doesn't exist.

Robz4000
07-20-2014, 09:49 PM
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Kindergarten Cop
07-20-2014, 09:55 PM
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Splits with the t-spence parody account.

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024
07-20-2014, 10:04 PM
Marion would be a great back up to Leonard. Not the young blood the Spurs need for the future but would be useful enough for Duncan's farewell tour. The full MLE for 2 years might be too much for a 36 year old. Maybe try to dangle a $4 million first year, $3.5 million second year contract.

xmas1997
07-20-2014, 10:06 PM
I doubt the Spurs do it. It sounds like pure speculation to me.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
07-20-2014, 10:06 PM
Marion for one year MLE makes a lot of sense - gives us yet another KD/LBJ defender in case of foul trouble - and he has always had a positive influence on the teams he's played for.

slick'81
07-20-2014, 10:07 PM
I don't want Marion and I haven't heard spurs are actually interested

Kindergarten Cop
07-20-2014, 10:08 PM
I doubt the Spurs do it. It sounds like pure speculation to me.

That much has been established.

apalisoc_9
07-20-2014, 10:09 PM
Marion at this point of his career, and considering the spurs roster would ultimately be a reserve a 13th man kind of guy. He wont be getting minutes over Green, Gino and Belli who are really what pop considers as kawhi`s back up. I wouldn`t mind the signing if they can get rid of ayres or daye but otherwise, I am not thrilled.

Also if the reports are true, he most likely will choose Houston mainly because they can give him more minutes there..

Spur|n|Austin
07-20-2014, 10:10 PM
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:lol

ElNono
07-20-2014, 10:11 PM
The youngster you speak of doesn't exist.

Guaranteeing Daye's deal and picking up Anderson seem to point in that direction. Whether they pan out or not is a different story altogether.

ginobilized
07-20-2014, 10:14 PM
Marion has never seemed like a real part of any team he's been on. No chemistry with teammates. That won't work in SA, not that it's even rumored to be an option.
If it were to reach a bonafide rumor level, no is my vote. We get to vote on these things, right?

apalisoc_9
07-20-2014, 10:14 PM
Guaranteeing Daye's deal and picking up Anderson seem to point in that direction. Whether they pan out or not is a different story altogether.

26 year olds should not be considered a youngster...

ElNono
07-20-2014, 10:14 PM
26 year olds should not be considered a youngster...

Speak for yourself :lol

LittleCriminal
07-20-2014, 10:22 PM
100 pages, here we come.

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cd021
07-20-2014, 10:25 PM
I don't think any decent PG who could be a rotation player elsewhere is going to sign on to warm a seat for Mills.

Blatche? Not enough minutes for him either probably.

Marion seems like a fit for both team and player.

Blatche could carve out about the same amount of minutes with us than in BK. I'm thinking 20-22 mpg not including rest games for Duncan. He'd be the backup center, most likely, and Splitter only averaged 23 mpg over the past two seasons.

Marion can play both forward spots and ,could give us another defender to throw at Durant, but unsure about how he'd fit in with the bench. Would the Spurs go without a PG and have Manu-Beli-Marion-Diaw- Ayers/Baynes

or Cojo-Beli-Manu-Marion-Diaw.

You're right about Sessions , I don't see him coming to fill a spot that he is place holding. I also don't think the Spurs would offer a multi-year deal for him to do so.

rjv
07-20-2014, 10:28 PM
Whatever happened with gasol?

024
07-20-2014, 10:30 PM
Daye is going to be the first one waived. I doubt he will ever see legitimate NBA minutes... he is just not that good. People are tantalized by his height and length but he's had years to fulfill his potential but always ended up short.

Marion is good SF insurance. Although if the Spurs can get someone like Aminu, that might make more sense than Marion.

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ChumpDumper
07-20-2014, 10:34 PM
Blatche could carve out about the same amount of minutes with us than in BK. I'm thinking 20-22 mpg not including rest games for Duncan. He'd be the backup center, most likely, and Splitter only averaged 23 mpg over the past two seasons.

Marion can play both forward spots and ,could give us another defender to throw at Durant, but unsure about how he'd fit in with the bench. Would the Spurs go without a PG and have Manu-Beli-Marion-Diaw- Ayers/Baynes

or Cojo-Beli-Manu-Marion-Diaw.

You're right about Sessions , I don't see him coming to fill a spot that he is place holding. I also don't think the Spurs would offer a multi-year deal for him to do so.Blatche would effectively be a placeholder like anyone who signs to play for Mills. Once the rotations tighten it doesn't project for more than spot minutes. I'd like to think he'd sign here, but that's the way I see things. There seems to be a reason the Spurs get marginal vets like Ayres or younger dudes who will play the placeholder role without complaint, but it's a role someone in Blatche or Sessions would do better to avoid careerwise.

I think Marco is a clear exception to that rule, but he was dying to play with the other guys on this team as well.

moisaenz
07-20-2014, 10:53 PM
If Marion can still catch a ball and not get blocked in summer league this should be a done deal..

ironman2886
07-20-2014, 11:06 PM
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MaNu4Tres
07-20-2014, 11:21 PM
Still believe Spurs will waive Ayres and re-sign Baynes.

Ice009
07-20-2014, 11:25 PM
Still believe Spurs will waive Ayres and re-sign Baynes.

You think the Spurs are trying to trade him first? Don't know how you'd go about calling other GMs about it though, especially after Summer League, as I'm sure most of the GMs would have seen him play.

Floyd Pacquiao
07-20-2014, 11:40 PM
Marion would fuck up the spurs spacing. Pass

MaNu4Tres
07-20-2014, 11:46 PM
You think the Spurs are trying to trade him first? Don't know how you'd go about calling other GMs about it though, especially after Summer League, as I'm sure most of the GMs would have seen him play.

I'm sure they are, but it's pretty inevitable Spurs would have to give up an asset(s) in order to get a team to take on Ayres -- kind of like how they had to include Scola's rights to get rid of Jackie Butler.

Not very wise to give away assets to get rid of Ayres, when they can just waive him without any severe/significant repercussions (they're well under luxury tax, with the MLE available to use even after they re-sign Baynes).

spurraider21
07-20-2014, 11:49 PM
i wouldn't give the full MLE for marion...

spurraider21
07-20-2014, 11:50 PM
Still believe Spurs will waive Ayres and re-sign Baynes.
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mavsfan1000
07-21-2014, 01:05 AM
Marion still has it. He shut down Parker for like the first 3 games or so. Mavs should try to keep him for less. But he would be a great backup for Leonard.

dabom
07-21-2014, 02:11 AM
We need to get Marion. Dude is still an elite defender and he can play small ball PF or SF. Like some guys said, he can defend Lebron or durant when Kawhi is in foul trouble.
He shoots like chit. but he's only going to be taken open shots anyways. Like I have said earlier, we went 8-8 when Kawhi was hurt, but not only because Kawhi is a very great player,
but that we didn't have an actual backup SF and it exposed us. That was our only problem last season. 8 mil for 2 years I would do. This guy is still a starter at 30mpg. He would beast at 20mpg.
And he is a vet so you know he won't shrink in the playoffs.

benstanfield
07-21-2014, 02:25 AM
Would you guys give Marion the full MLE for one season or for 2 seasons with a TO for the second season? That's the only way I'd consider signing him.

If he wants it guaranteed for more than one season, then I am not really interested in that.

I'm not sure if any of the remaining free agents are worth the full MLE. Possibly Marion, not sure if anyone else is worth it though. What do you guys think in regards to the remaining free agents?

If the Spurs were to cut Ayres, do you guys think that Marion can fill in at backup PF?

I would take Blatche for the MLE in a heartbeat....

...if he were happy with ~24 minutes a night.

benstanfield
07-21-2014, 02:31 AM
Marion's stats were decent last year but his PER and WS/48 both dropped heavily, and he'll be what, 36 going into next season?

















...and Manu is STILL the backup SF. I don't understand where people think Marion's minutes would come from unless you've given up on Beli and want him to sit on the bench for $ next year.

TP/(Patty)/Cojo
Green/Beli/Manu/(Patty)
Leonard/Manu/Green
Duncan/Diaw/Bonner
Splitter/Baynes/Ayres

If Patty were healthy and Bonner/Ayres weren't stealing money, the hole in that rotation is very obviously at backup 5.

dabom
07-21-2014, 02:37 AM
Marion's stats were decent last year but his PER and WS/48 both dropped heavily, and he'll be what, 36 going into next season?

















...and Manu is STILL the backup SF. I don't understand where people think Marion's minutes would come from unless you've given up on Beli and want him to sit on the bench for $ next year.

TP/(Patty)/Cojo
Green/Beli/Manu/(Patty)
Leonard/Manu/Green
Duncan/Diaw/Bonner
Splitter/Baynes/Ayres

If Patty were healthy and Bonner/Ayres weren't stealing money, the hole in that rotation is very obviously at backup 5.

Marion is the primary defender for his teams. Of course his per and ws/48 would be low. And for the last time, Manu is not a backup SF.

benstanfield
07-21-2014, 02:41 AM
Marion is the primary defender for his teams. Of course his per and ws/48 would be low. And for the last time, Manu is not a backup SF.

Read.

I didn't say they were low, I said they dropped. As in, he had career lows in PER and WS/48 last year.

Read.

And Manu and Marco were our backup SG/SF last year. IDGAF what you want to call either of them.

dabom
07-21-2014, 02:43 AM
Read.

I didn't say they were low, I said they dropped. As in, he had career lows in PER and WS/48 last year.

Read.

And Manu and Marco were our backup SG/SF last year. IDGAF what you want to call either of them.

I call them bandaids. Not a long term solution.

benstanfield
07-21-2014, 02:45 AM
I call them bandaids. Not a long term solution.

But 36 year old Shawn Marion is a solution?

lolwut

dabom
07-21-2014, 02:48 AM
But 36 year old Shawn Marion is a solution?

lolwut

For a season or 2 yeah. He did play great in the playoffs.
Did you not miss that or something?

benstanfield
07-21-2014, 02:57 AM
For a season or 2 yeah. He did play great in the playoffs.
Did you not miss that or something?
:lol I did in fact "not miss that".

He shot 22% from three and the Mavericks were were better with him off the court. And that's with Vince Carter and Jae Crowder replacing him.

:lol This is too easy I'm gonna quit now

dabom
07-21-2014, 03:00 AM
:lol I did in fact "not miss that".

He shot 22% from three and the Mavericks were were better with him off the court. And that's with Vince Carter and Jae Crowder replacing him.

:lol This is too easy I'm gonna quit now

You grab a specific statline and pat yourself on the back. :rollin

Fact is he played great and we went to 7 vs the Mavs and you can't deny that.

dabom
07-21-2014, 03:13 AM
Before anyone starts bringing up ws/48 and per, Boris Diaw had an actual negative ws/48 in the regular season and playoffs before he joined the spurs.
Shawn Marion can also be that type of player that can benefit by playing with the Spurs. Experience is key here.

spursfan1000
07-21-2014, 03:38 AM
I don't mind the move but , I really don't care too much about the possibility.

TheCerebral1
07-21-2014, 06:14 AM
On a one year deal, this fossilized relic would make sense I suppose. But otherwise, meh.

exstatic
07-21-2014, 07:05 AM
Before anyone starts bringing up ws/48 and per, Boris Diaw had an actual negative ws/48 in the regular season and playoffs before he joined the spurs.
Shawn Marion can also be that type of player that can benefit by playing with the Spurs. Experience is key here.

You do realize that WS/48 is ACTUALLY based on wins, right? If you have a negative WS/48 on a team like Charlotte, that's not necessarily bad, but on a WC playoff team like Dallas? Not so good.

cd021
07-21-2014, 07:32 AM
You grab a specific statline and pat yourself on the back. :rollin

Fact is he played great and we went to 7 vs the Mavs and you can't deny that.

Advanced stats say other wise.

P.E.R-12.5
Win Shares Per 48 Minutes-.52 (.100 is league average)
Net Rtg- -6

its worse than his regular season numbers.

dabom
07-21-2014, 07:39 AM
You do realize that WS/48 is ACTUALLY based on wins, right? If you have a negative WS/48 on a team like Charlotte, that's not necessarily bad, but on a WC playoff team like Dallas? Not so good.

WS are wins produced by the team. WS/48 is per 48 and not all players can play 48(ex. manu)
You do know Marion is primarily a defender right? He makes Bruce Bowen look like trash if you compare their adv. numbers like PER and WS/48.
You do know winshares is not a catch-all-productivity-stat to a team right?
All I'm saying is if you come at me with stats and no context, you're not doing it right then.

dabom
07-21-2014, 07:40 AM
Advanced stats say other wise.

P.E.R-12.5
Win Shares Per 48 Minutes-.52 (.100 is league average)
Net Rtg- -6

its worse than his regular season numbers.

Why did we pick up boris? Dam those stats without context.

dabom
07-21-2014, 07:49 AM
Back on topic.
He still has the size and enough athleticism.
Versatile and can play the small ball PF or traditional SF.
He has championship pedigree and doesn't seem like a locker room cancer. Spot minutes between 15 and 20 against subs is good enough for me.

Jimcs50
07-21-2014, 07:53 AM
I do not want him

Dex
07-21-2014, 08:26 AM
He'd be more useful on the roster than Ayres.

Spurs9
07-21-2014, 08:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6203oIRC0I


?Im all about having fun... But all these chicks crack me up!

Wonder if they are Spurs fans tbh

Dex
07-21-2014, 08:56 AM
Wonder if they are Spurs fans tbh

With all those white kids? Doubtful.

Like anyone in San Antonio is going to wear all that heavy black shit out on a sunny day. :lmao

PublicOption
07-21-2014, 09:03 AM
Chip Englland will have nightmares after watching him shoot day after day at practice.

BranderC
07-21-2014, 09:11 AM
I want Marion. He's probably not quite worth the MLE, but he's about the best acquisition we could make at this point, and at the very least he's a minutes sponge and injury insurance.

More importantly, we wear the exact same size in sport coats, and I got one of his as a present from a friend who saw it on eBay. She "knows I'm a weird size, and knows I like basketball," but doesn't really get the whole hated-rival thing. It's a really ****ing nice sport coat too, as you might expect, but I can't enjoy it while Matrix remains a Mav. So, yeah. Get it done.

cd021
07-21-2014, 09:15 AM
Why did we pick up boris? Dam those stats without context.
Boris was 29 not 35 and he better fit the spurs with his BBIQ ,passing, and versatility. He showed flashes in PHX and Charlotte and the Spurs had previously targeted him before he was released. Parker also lobbied for him.

How are Marions playoffs stats out of context when you said he played great in the first round against the spurs?

cd021
07-21-2014, 09:18 AM
Back on topic.
He still has the size and enough athleticism.
Versatile and can play the small ball PF or traditional SF.
He has championship pedigree and doesn't seem like a locker room cancer. Spot minutes between 15 and 20 against subs is good enough for me.

Aminu better fits that criteria and is 12 younger and probably 1/2 the price. Save for the championship, he is bigger and more athletic and can board.

spurspokesman
07-21-2014, 09:24 AM
He'd be more useful on the roster than Ayres.

Darkwaters
07-21-2014, 10:04 AM
Marion would be a great back up to Leonard. Not the young blood the Spurs need for the future but would be useful enough for Duncan's farewell tour. The full MLE for 2 years might be too much for a 36 year old. Maybe try to dangle a $4 million first year, $3.5 million second year contract.

I'm honestly not sure how much young blood I'd really want at SF. Kawhi is obviously an up and coming star at this point. We probably need a smart savvy vet that can teach, provide good backup and foul trouble minutes, but also be willing to stay out of the way when Kawhi is clicking. A young player that needs minutes to develop might be a progress stopper for Leonard.

I'm not saying that as an absolute, but I think it bears consideration.

xmas1997
07-21-2014, 10:06 AM
It has already been too long a time since we first heard the rumor. And one poster on here said it wasn't even a rumor, but speculation.
So IMHO the Spurs have moved on past him by now.

Darkwaters
07-21-2014, 10:10 AM
Boris was 29 not 35 and he better fit the spurs with his BBIQ ,passing, and versatility. He showed flashes in PHX and Charlotte and the Spurs had previously targeted him before he was released. Parker also lobbied for him.

How are Marions playoffs stats out of context when you said he played great in the first round against the spurs?

I would argue that he did much more than show flashes in Phoenix. He was very very good there. On the 7 seconds or less Suns he was a big component and a god send. The year that Amare missed was the one where he won the Most Improved Player Award. He was excellent. But it was the move to Charlotte that torpedoed public opinion of him and put him in the "washed up" category. The reality was that he was just unmotivated. And hes also a guy that makes good players great with his distribution and BBIQ. Hes not an alpha-scorer. Charlotte wanted the latter and surrounded him with their typical "meh" talent. But once he moved to a solid system that accented his style and skills, his real ability started to shine through again.

21209
07-21-2014, 10:16 AM
Marion more than likely signs with the Rockets over the Spurs. He'll get more PT since the "4" spot on the Rockets is up for grabs and he'll get burn at the "3" when Ariza sits.

It'll wind up being like all the others that bypassed the Spurs when the money or the PT opportunities were greater elsewhere.

siraulo23
07-21-2014, 10:22 AM
rockets it is :lol

over/under how many pages? id say just 20 pages this time...

Chomag
07-21-2014, 10:32 AM
HE would probebly be the best realistic pic up Spurs could make at this point. Either way im not holding my breath for him, but he would be a pretty good complimentary player to the roster, and less Errors is allways a good thing

PÒÓCH
07-21-2014, 10:34 AM
http://38.media.tumblr.com/8136f6831690478f28ab36a7171bc11e/tumblr_mvjtqroyxE1qcmnsoo1_400.gif

BranderC
07-21-2014, 10:41 AM
Marion more than likely signs with the Rockets over the Spurs. He'll get more PT since the "4" spot on the Rockets is up for grabs and he'll get burn at the "3" when Ariza sits.

It'll wind up being like all the others that bypassed the Spurs when the money or the PT opportunities were greater elsewhere.

Stupid jerks - just because they make their money by playing basketball, they think they're too good for a team that won't pay them money or let them play basketball.

My theory: a lot of vets don't want to come to San Antonio because they know how much frickin' work it takes to be part of the Spurs machine. Sure, you've got a good chance at a ring - but Pau (and Marion for that matter) already have rings, and they didn't have to settle for bit-player roles to get them. I do hope Matrix comes aboard, though, and I have a completely-impossible-to-defend-with-logic-or-evidence feeling that he's the kind of guy who might enjoy playing in a system that only asks him to do the things he does well.

Fpoonsie
07-21-2014, 10:50 AM
491246913237164034

Adding to the pot, just for shits and gigs.

Dverde
07-21-2014, 10:50 AM
I can't see Marion being a net negative. He would provide some insurance if Kawhi went down with an injury. His age drops my expectations on his impact. I would be thrilled if we could drop Ayres and sign Marion and Baynes. I think he will go to whatever playoff team that pays him the most. He is nearly at the end and he already has a ring. San Antonio/OKC are conveniently close to Dallas. I would imagine all things being even, he would pick one of those.

Poolboy5623
07-21-2014, 11:17 AM
If he wanted to play for the Spurs, he would have signed by now..

dabom
07-21-2014, 12:14 PM
If he wanted to play for the Spurs, he would have signed by now..

But you can't work for peanuts. Especially if he earned it.

Kindergarten Cop
07-21-2014, 12:23 PM
If he wanted to play for the Spurs, he would have signed by now..

In all honesty, your statement makes absolutely no sense. If that were the case, that means that he (or any other remaining UFA for that matter) will not be playing in the NBA in the 2014-15 season.

"If he wanted to play for <insert team name>, he would have signed by now..." - I guess he's not playing anywhere, considering that he has yet to sign with any team. :huh

cd021
07-21-2014, 12:26 PM
I would argue that he did much more than show flashes in Phoenix. He was very very good there. On the 7 seconds or less Suns he was a big component and a god send. The year that Amare missed was the one where he won the Most Improved Player Award. He was excellent. But it was the move to Charlotte that torpedoed public opinion of him and put him in the "washed up" category. The reality was that he was just unmotivated. And hes also a guy that makes good players great with his distribution and BBIQ. Hes not an alpha-scorer. Charlotte wanted the latter and surrounded him with their typical "meh" talent. But once he moved to a solid system that accented his style and skills, his real ability started to shine through again.

He was very good in PHX. He also had two productive seasons in Charlotte averaging better than 48% FG, 11 PPG, 5 RPG, and 4 APG

21209
07-21-2014, 12:35 PM
You must have meant Miami.

Marion never played in Charlotte.

Seventyniner
07-21-2014, 12:41 PM
http://38.media.tumblr.com/8136f6831690478f28ab36a7171bc11e/tumblr_mvjtqroyxE1qcmnsoo1_400.gif

Funny that he wore #7 there. That's how I used to shoot when I was 7 years old.

spurraider21
07-21-2014, 12:50 PM
chip is crying

look_at_g_shred
07-21-2014, 12:50 PM
False hope yet again.

TheyCallMePro
07-21-2014, 01:29 PM
Marion is old and washed up. He shoots the ugliest 3 I've ever seen-- he literally hoists it from his chest like a woman and prays it goes in. He played horrible vs the Spurs in the playoffs this year. He's a "big name" with NO GAME left. Don't want him. Don't want him at all.

BackHome
07-21-2014, 02:41 PM
You know after Houston fucked up and that they can take him from Dallas they will do it. He is just playing the Spurs ticket to get more money...

32fastest
07-21-2014, 02:46 PM
Where does tspence26 stand on this?

cd021
07-21-2014, 03:02 PM
You must have meant Miami.

Marion never played in Charlotte.

Diaw not Marion.

exstatic
07-21-2014, 03:02 PM
Where does tspence26 stand on this?

:lol

SpurPadre
07-21-2014, 03:29 PM
Fuck that. Don't want an old ass Maid Marion. He's not picking us anyways.

SpurPadre
07-21-2014, 03:29 PM
Marion is old and washed up. He shoots the ugliest 3 I've ever seen-- he literally hoists it from his chest like a woman and prays it goes in. He played horrible vs the Spurs in the playoffs this year. He's a "big name" with NO GAME left. Don't want him. Don't want him at all.

This.

poeticism707
07-21-2014, 04:36 PM
Most are seriously underrating Marion.

He is still and elite perimeter at the 3,

his slashing is serviceable.

The open looks he'd get in the Spurs system from 3,

and he'd improve considerably.

Getting Marion for a 2 year MLE would be

the best the Spurs can hope for

since Gasol is off the table,

and an absolute coup for the Spurs.

The Spurs with Marion would would have the potential to

be even better offensively,

but more importantly,

considerably better defensively.

Just nasty.

Offer the full MLE for two years.

All in.

dg7md
07-21-2014, 06:24 PM
Marion is old and washed up. He shoots the ugliest 3 I've ever seen-- he literally hoists it from his chest like a woman and prays it goes in. He played horrible vs the Spurs in the playoffs this year. He's a "big name" with NO GAME left. Don't want him. Don't want him at all.

Misogynist much? I know it's a phrase, but the WNBA has some great shooters and they have excellent releases. It came off a little bad, and besides, it doesn't matter how he shoots it if it works for him, tbh. In his prime he was a deadly shooter, and even he still can go off (see game 2 of the Mavs/Spurs series).

I'd love to have Marion as a bench option, he's scrappy, has a solid offensive game, and plays solid D. I think he probably signs with the Rockets, though, cause he'll likely have a bigger role there. I would think we'd have the best offseason of any team in the league if we find a way to bring Marion aboard.

spurraider21
07-21-2014, 06:25 PM
i wouldn't mind marion but just not for an MLE amount :lol... or anything longer than a year

TheGreatYacht
07-21-2014, 07:12 PM
Most are seriously underrating Marion.

He is still and elite perimeter at the 3,

his slashing is serviceable.

The open looks he'd get in the Spurs system from 3,

and he'd improve considerably.

Getting Marion for a 2 year MLE would be

the best the Spurs can hope for

since Gasol is off the table,

and an absolute coup for the Spurs.

The Spurs with Marion would would have the potential to

be even better offensively,

but more importantly,

considerably better defensively.

Just nasty.

Offer the full MLE for two years.

All in.

Obi Juan Kenobi
07-21-2014, 07:23 PM
Would like Marion but not for the full MLE, would rather the team try to get Aminu and Okafor/Blatche with their exceptions...

hater
07-21-2014, 07:27 PM
i wouldn't mind marion but just not for an MLE amount :lol... or anything longer than a year

:tu

Kindergarten Cop
07-21-2014, 07:28 PM
491359256809984001

491359481263960065

ChumpDumper
07-21-2014, 07:32 PM
The hell is a quixem?

xmas1997
07-21-2014, 07:44 PM
The hell is a quixem?

:lmao
I had a feeling it was all speculation. Marion might wish the Spurs were interested, but my guess is they are not, and especially not for their MLE.

32fastest
07-21-2014, 08:01 PM
I remember being extremely bummed/pissed when Oden chose the heat over us last year , sounds stupid now. I don't worry too much that Gasol went to the bulls and I certainly won't care if this fool goes to the Rockets. If we get him cool, if not fuck him. I'm confident Pop, the coaches and Timmy will get us back on top. If Spurs get out of the West that's 6.

Cry Havoc
07-21-2014, 08:08 PM
So, to the people who say we don't want/need Marion, who else are you into signing? Dude is one of the best FAs left on the market and we have the money to use not against the cap.

Just think if Manu or Leonard is hurt for any appreciable amount of time. With Marion our depth chart is fine. Otherwise, we could be hurting for a while.

I like the idea.

Parker/Patty/Cojo
Green/Manu/Patty
Kawhi/Marion/Anderson
Duncan/Diaw/Marion
Splitter/Diaw/Baynes

Kindergarten Cop
07-21-2014, 08:14 PM
The hell is a quixem?

He's no T-Spence - but then again, who is? That dude is unparalleled.

TimDunkem
07-21-2014, 08:28 PM
I'm beginning to regret bringing TSpence here.

xmas1997
07-21-2014, 08:29 PM
I'm beginning to regret bringing TSpence here.

No big deal.

said7
07-21-2014, 08:30 PM
dude sux. Shot is ass.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
07-21-2014, 08:34 PM
Misogynist much? I know it's a phrase, but the WNBA has some great shooters and they have excellent releases. It came off a little bad, and besides, it doesn't matter how he shoots it if it works for him, tbh. In his prime he was a deadly shooter, and even he still can go off (see game 2 of the Mavs/Spurs series).

I'd love to have Marion as a bench option, he's scrappy, has a solid offensive game, and plays solid D. I think he probably signs with the Rockets, though, cause he'll likely have a bigger role there. I would think we'd have the best offseason of any team in the league if we find a way to bring Marion aboard.

This place is full of casual misogynists, homophobes and racists, one of the reasons I don't hang around nearly as much. It's a pity that so many people can't communicate without denigrating the Other.

dg7md
07-21-2014, 09:43 PM
This place is full of casual misogynists, homophobes and racists, one of the reasons I don't hang around nearly as much. It's a pity that so many people can't communicate without denigrating the Other.

Yeah, it's a little insane. :lol There are legitimately good, mature people who have great takes on basketball though. Keeps me coming back, in addition to being a Spurs fan and this being really the only board there is for the team.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
07-21-2014, 10:53 PM
Yeah, it's a little insane. :lol There are legitimately good, mature people who have great takes on basketball though. Keeps me coming back, in addition to being a Spurs fan and this being really the only board there is for the team.

Yeah, there are great people here, and some very basketball-smart ones, but there used to be a lot more of them, and I become less and less tolerant of the casual intolerance of the moronic. :lol

rjv
07-21-2014, 11:50 PM
The three previous posts make too much sense and have no place in the universe of ST discourse.

BatManu20
07-22-2014, 12:10 AM
In before a someone responds with a racist or homophobic slur to the above posts.

jARS mEsH sEt
07-22-2014, 12:13 AM
This place is full of casual misogynists, homophobes and racists, one of the reasons I don't hang around nearly as much. It's a pity that so many people can't communicate without denigrating the Other.

It's no surprise when you consider the fact that most people subscribe to a moral system from the stone age.

moisaenz
07-22-2014, 01:37 AM
Haha this forum is full of wimps..

Cry Havoc
07-22-2014, 10:36 AM
This place is full of casual misogynists, homophobes and racists, one of the reasons I don't hang around nearly as much. It's a pity that so many people can't communicate without denigrating the Other.

Just put them on ignore dude, seriously. You're a good poster and if you leave, it just increases the ratio of bad to good posters. Spurstalk used to be an amazing place to talk hoop, probably the best on the entire fucking Internet. Don't let some trolls and salty Lakers fans ruin that for you.

Cry Havoc
07-22-2014, 10:43 AM
Still waiting for someone to list the guy we should use our mle on instead of Marion...

Drom John
07-22-2014, 12:33 PM
1) I think Marion is the best out there.

2) Mike Scott would be my second choice of non-Spurs, but not for the full MLE. For the smaller contract and longer term, I might prefer Scott over Marion. I see Scott fitting the Spurs culture better.

3) I prefer Baynes for the QO over any remaining free agent including Marion and Scott for the 15th spot. Baynes is in the system already and can be plug into the rotation for some important matchups. I consider Ayres firmly on this year's roster until such time that the Spurs announce otherwise. (But then I didn't believe Boozer would be amnestied.)

Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
07-22-2014, 12:41 PM
Still waiting for someone to list the guy we should use our mle on instead of Marion...

No one. Baynes is coming back. He has a lot of value against teams that play bigs like Blazers, Grizz, etc.

So unless the Spurs waive someone, with Ayres being the likely candidate, the Spurs look like they will be staying pat.

Spurs should wait to sign Kawhi next offseason. This will allow them to be under the cap to sign someone like Marc Gasol next year in case Duncan and Manu retire.

The only player that I think can actually help the Spurs this year would be Marion due to him study the Spurs system for years as well as having a lot of playoff and even championship experience. He would be great to have to backup Kawhi and plug in as a small ball PF.

xmas1997
07-22-2014, 12:49 PM
If I had the MLE to spend on one of the remaining free agents, then the one I would spend it on is Blatche, not Marion, irregardless of either's position or what either would accept monetarily.
He is younger and has more upside long term IMHO.

I. Hustle
07-22-2014, 12:50 PM
I can't stand when people say irregardless.

Robz4000
07-22-2014, 12:58 PM
Still waiting for someone to list the guy we should use our mle on instead of Marion...

They should give it to Errors imo.

Perry Mason
07-22-2014, 01:18 PM
This place is full of casual misogynists, homophobes and racists, one of the reasons I don't hang around nearly as much. It's a pity that so many people can't communicate without denigrating the Other.

Well at least we have casual politically correct drones who are offended at every colorful phrase. The fact is, as a general matter, a male NBA player should not shoot like the average girl, average girl being defined by reference to the largest distribution of shot releases among a random sample in the United States taken in the last 30 days.

But you would have people talk like this instead of using the more colorful phrase, thereby discouraging creative expression and contributing to a dull and milquetoast world.

Perry Mason
07-22-2014, 01:19 PM
It's no surprise when you consider the fact that most people subscribe to a moral system from the stone age.

So basically they all worship nature gods and plants and such and dance around a fire? Your insult has misfired.

dabom
07-22-2014, 01:22 PM
We also have some religious shoving freaks. lol

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/C197CF44121102389268472889344_2665885d6fd.1.2.8804 881166429852969.mp4?versionId=rujFfUdZeRUVtiCtnbav BCjxd90fFCU2

but this is funny though.

Drom John
07-22-2014, 01:28 PM
On the other hand, I believe a significant number of NBA players should shoot free throws granny style (anybody who makes less than 2/3 of their free throws). None of them are man enough to do it. Just ask Shaq or Rick Barry's kids.

Mr. Body
07-22-2014, 01:39 PM
Blatsche is a headcase. Not for me.

will_spurs
07-22-2014, 02:42 PM
But you would have people talk like this instead of using the more colorful phrase, thereby discouraging creative expression and contributing to a dull and milquetoast world.

We'd rather have people talk about Marion's shooting motion rather than making stupid, inaccurate comparisons.

sexinthatsx
07-22-2014, 09:09 PM
If Shawn Marion can be had for the MLE, this is an absolute no-brainer for the Spurs to pull the trigger. Marion can fit perfectly at the 4 for small ball or even the 3 to give Kawhi rest and still have a defensive presence instead of an undersized 2 guard in place of the 3. DO IT!

cd021
07-22-2014, 09:17 PM
1) I think Marion is the best out there.

2) Mike Scott would be my second choice of non-Spurs, but not for the full MLE. For the smaller contract and longer term, I might prefer Scott over Marion. I see Scott fitting the Spurs culture better.

3) I prefer Baynes for the QO over any remaining free agent including Marion and Scott for the 15th spot. Baynes is in the system already and can be plug into the rotation for some important matchups. I consider Ayres firmly on this year's roster until such time that the Spurs announce otherwise. (But then I didn't believe Boozer would be amnestied.)


Don't hate Baynes and am not in love with Marion but Marion is still better than Baynes and would favor him over Baynes for the 15th spot.

spurraider21
07-22-2014, 09:46 PM
I can't stand when people say irregardless.
same. also hate when people say "i could care less"

ElNono
07-22-2014, 10:00 PM
same. also hate when people say "i could care less"

I could care less what you hate, tbh... :lol

cd021
07-22-2014, 10:01 PM
Blatsche is a headcase. Not for me.

*Blatche* is one of those players you roll the dice on because of his talent as a scorer. He is definitely better than Ayers, Bonner, Daye, and Baynes. He seems to be less nutty sense he left Washington.

spurraider21
07-22-2014, 10:04 PM
I could care less what you hate, tbh... :lol
http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5pl71UTAJ1rwcc6bo1_250.gif

RuffnReadyOzStyle
07-22-2014, 10:05 PM
The three previous posts make too much sense and have no place in the universe of ST discourse.

Yup.


It's no surprise when you consider the fact that most people subscribe to a moral system from the stone age.

Indeed.


Just put them on ignore dude, seriously. You're a good poster and if you leave, it just increases the ratio of bad to good posters. Spurstalk used to be an amazing place to talk hoop, probably the best on the entire fucking Internet. Don't let some trolls and salty Lakers fans ruin that for you.

Thanks. I won't leave, but I'm not going to post like I used to either. Probably good for basketball-life balance anyway. :lol


Well at least we have casual politically correct drones who are offended at every colorful phrase. The fact is, as a general matter, a male NBA player should not shoot like the average girl, average girl being defined by reference to the largest distribution of shot releases among a random sample in the United States taken in the last 30 days.

But you would have people talk like this instead of using the more colorful phrase, thereby discouraging creative expression and contributing to a dull and milquetoast world.

"Shoots like a girl" is well down the scale of casual misogyny, and could be considered descriptive if you look at it in the right context. I don't really have a major problem with it as Marion's release is similar to that of many female basketballers. However, you could have come up with something more creative - "shoots like a girl" is a bit obvious.

What I was really reacting to was not your post but the frequent, casual and often abusive use of terms like "faggot" and "nigga" and "bitch/whore" around ST these days. The fact that I find casual use of these terms offensive and degrading to a large percentage of the human population is not "political correctness", it is basic human respect and decency. I object to stereotyping people on the basis of their race, sex or sexuality, and a casual use of these terms to denigrate people who are of other races, or women, or homosexual, is base and unnecessary. Note that I am NOT accusing you of this for your "shoots like a girl" post, although if you were not being descriptive and were instead using that phrase as a denigration of women, I do object to it. Women are not less then men, and it's about time men all around the world realised this.

Also this has nothing to do with creating "a dull and milquetoast world", because the terms described above and frequently used on ST are the easiest course when feeling frustrated or being abusive - they are not creative or insightful, nor are they humourous. I would far prefer the abuse and frustration to be creative and interesting than to have to continually read the homophobic, misogynistic and racist inner monologues of many of the current crop of ST denizens.

manufan10
07-22-2014, 10:15 PM
same. also hate when people say "i could care less"


I could care less what you hate, tbh... :lol

Beat me to it. :lol

AFBlue
07-22-2014, 10:55 PM
I can't stand when people say irregardless.

You should educate him then, instead of just bitching about it. Regardless of your malcontent and irrespective of his intelligence level, it's the right thing to do.

florige
07-22-2014, 11:36 PM
I was just looking at Marion's shooting form. He has the right concept, he just shoots it from his chest instead of over his head, lol I understand the importance of quick release but sheeesh....

BackHome
07-23-2014, 07:29 PM
[/B]Don't hate Baynes and am not in love with Marion but Marion is still better than Baynes and would favor him over Baynes for the 15th spot.

Forget that sign Marion and Baynes and get rid of Errors or Daye!

cd021
07-23-2014, 10:32 PM
Forget that sign Marion and Baynes and get rid of Errors or Daye!

Both will be on the roster,unfortunately, baring something unforeseen (like waiving either) Marion fills more of a need than Baynes does. A combo forward (over the hill and probably and bit expensive for my taste)

Neither Baynes nor Ayers adds rim protection or much else (Baynes is a very good rebounder though).

I'd rather see Manu/Cojo-Beli-Marion/Manu- Diaw and Ayers to start next season.

skulls138
07-24-2014, 01:26 AM
I can see Marion working but dont think itll happen.

Sean Cagney
07-24-2014, 01:43 AM
Just end this stupid thread before it goes 80 or so pages of nonsense knowing damn well we are done for the summer sides maybe some guy we sign who will not play. Spurs are champs as is and got all their key parts back, Marion or so being rumored here is just that and b.s. and he will sign somewhere else and we all know it...... Spurs will be fine, all these rumored top two options or favoring Spurs shit is just that, shit. We all have learned this by now right? I guess not since idiots still entertain this crap every offseason, good lord.

Slutter McGee
07-24-2014, 04:02 PM
Just end this stupid thread before it goes 80 or so pages of nonsense knowing damn well we are done for the summer sides maybe some guy we sign who will not play. Spurs are champs as is and got all their key parts back, Marion or so being rumored here is just that and b.s. and he will sign somewhere else and we all know it...... Spurs will be fine, all these rumored top two options or favoring Spurs shit is just that, shit. We all have learned this by now right? I guess not since idiots still entertain this crap every offseason, good lord. yeah... I am a fan. I am not employed by the spurs. My opinion will have no fucking affect on what the front office does, so if I want to make this thread 80 pages i will. All you fucking assholes always want to prove who is the better spurs fan... Well I say me, because I am alright accepting delusions... Because I am a fucking fan. Jesus Christ.

sexinthatsx
07-24-2014, 04:58 PM
Having Shawn Marion is a huge plus for the Spurs, but why fix something that is working perfectly fine? Even if Spurs do use MLE to sign Shawn Marion, it's going to be a dilemma how to use him in the rotation come next season, and can essentially mess up the rotation that has been pretty stellar this past season.

SpurPadre
07-24-2014, 05:08 PM
He's not coming to San Antonio. Houston has better night life, more wannabe thugs on their team, and players that talk trash after dunking on people and those are all things that matter to most players outside of the Spurs these days. End of story.

BackHome
07-24-2014, 09:55 PM
yeah... I am a fan. I am not employed by the spurs. My opinion will have no fucking affect on what the front office does, so if I want to make this thread 80 pages i will. All you fucking assholes always want to prove who is the better spurs fan... Well I say me, because I am alright accepting delusions... Because I am a fucking fan. Jesus Christ.

Amen Brother!

Sean Cagney
07-24-2014, 11:41 PM
yeah... I am a fan. I am not employed by the spurs. My opinion will have no fucking affect on what the front office does, so if I want to make this thread 80 pages i will. All you fucking assholes always want to prove who is the better spurs fan... Well I say me, because I am alright accepting delusions... Because I am a fucking fan. Jesus Christ.

Thats great and this does not void the truth that we won't usually sign people who are rumored or we are so called top recruiters though! That is just a fact and has been for years and we all know it, hardly anyone will just come to the Spurs, thats not how they do it nor do names usually come here. The Spurs get key pieces and make a team, thats why they are who they are. I doubt Marion comes here and most of us doubt it, it's just a reality and we as fans know it. Why did you bother to point me out out of all people? I was just stating how these threads go a long way and some say I would take this or that and then some other player who is not even rumored to the Spurs and it goes on and on, very entertaining but not reality.

BTW I guess I came off as sort of an asshole on the above post so I will take that little jab, mostly though I see myself as a good fan and a realist in here and most in here don't have a problem with me nor do I try to offend others.

Delusions are just that to me though, heresay and Spurs favored to get so and so and then they go elsewhere even though they were the top runner for a day or so to land them. I think they just love using the Spurs name as leverage there, period.
He's not coming to San Antonio. Houston has better night life, more wannabe thugs on their team, and players that talk trash after dunking on people and those are all things that matter to most players outside of the Spurs these days. End of story.
I agree with you fully here, he is not coming to San Antonio, nor do I really give a shit lol. Spurs are fine.

BatManu20
07-25-2014, 01:20 AM
Yea I really don't see him coming here, especially since he apparently has a few suitors.

superbigtime
07-25-2014, 09:01 AM
Marion won't come to SA.

TheCerebral1
07-25-2014, 10:14 AM
Its pretty sad when you're getting the MLE that you choose to go to a team that was bounced in the first round, rather than a team with all its parts in tact that just won the NBA Title. Shows the lack of common sense to me.

dabom
07-25-2014, 10:45 AM
In 2013 we didn't have a backup SF. That bit us in our ass. It wasn't a big problem this year, but you never know.
Learn from your past mistakes. Anyone who doesn't want SM is a retard.

look_at_g_shred
07-25-2014, 11:37 AM
[/B]Don't hate Baynes and am not in love with Marion but Marion is still better than Baynes and would favor him over Baynes for the 15th spot.
You can't really compare the two and say that one is better than the other because they play different positions. Now if you wanted to say who is more useful, than that's a different story bruh!

td4mvp2k
07-25-2014, 12:16 PM
:lol @ daye still on the team

cd021
07-25-2014, 12:34 PM
You can't really compare the two and say that one is better than the other because they play different positions. Now if you wanted to say who is more useful, than that's a different story bruh!

Sure but Marion is still more talented and would fill more of a need on the team. Baynes is kind of redundant considering Ayers does the same things, granted he is worse than Baynes.

xmas1997
07-25-2014, 01:03 PM
Marion is not even a rumor, he is someone's speculation as far as I have heard, and I have not read anywhere yet that San Antonio was interested in him, rather that he was rumored to be interested in San Antonio.
Who started a rumor that the Spurs were interested in him?

And it seems to me that if the Spurs have the MLE to spend and still be able to stay out of the luxury tax, then they could do a lot better than an old Marion with a suspect shooting form, than some other younger SF with more upside long term.