Free Agent: Ray Allen

[Marcus Bryant]

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Ray Allen | SG
Born: July 20, 1975
Height: 6'5''/ 1.96m
Weight: 205 lbs./ 93 kg
From: University of Connecticut
Draft: 1st Round (5th pick) 1996 NBA Draft
NBA Debut: 1996
Years Pro: 18

Info (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ray_allen/)

[Knoxxx]

You should be pinked.

[Prime Time]

In the post-season, I'd gladly take him in the Marco Belinelli role.

[PÒÓCH]

I would've rather have him in 2013

[ElNono]

Report: Ray Allen to get MRI on knees then decide future plans (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/23/report-ray-allen-to-get-mri-on-knees-then-decide-future-plans/)

[Marcus Bryant]

Report: Ray Allen to get MRI on knees then decide future plans (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/23/report-ray-allen-to-get-mri-on-knees-then-decide-future-plans/)


Expect Allen to do one of three things: Agree to terms in Cleveland, find a deal with a contender in a warm weather city, or retire.

[exstatic]

I hate Ray Allen. It would have been the perfect summer if:

a) we hoist the LoB
b) We drive DFish into retirement
c) We drive Battier into retirement
d) We drive Ray Vajayjay into retirement

[Marcus Bryant]

If Mario Elie, Jerome Kersey, and Robert Horry can be role players in SA then Jesus Shuttlesworth can.

[Kawhi]

I don't want that faggot in a spurs

[jon123spurs]

HELL.NO.

[UnWantedTheory]

I am not sure how he would fit rotation wise, but I would not be opposed to it. Idgaf who it is, if they can help win games they are welcome in my book.

[exstatic]

If Mario Elie, Jerome Kersey, and Robert Horry can be role players in SA then Jesus Shuttlesworth can.

Witnessing the Finals this year, he can't D at ALL, and can really only hit the corner 3, a shot that most teams deny us, for the most part. His shot above the break can only be described as sad these days.

Ray Vajayjay is also older than Horry was when we cut him loose for being TOO OLD.

[Russ]

Ray Allen would be perfect for the Spurs.

But he's a city guy.

He won't come here in a million years. :)

[spursparker9]

Either Cavs or retires.

[Marcus Bryant]

Mills will miss 2/3rds of the season. Ginobili will need time. You can give him minutes at the 1. Being able to hit the corner 3 fits right in. Big game experience.

[ElNono]

I wouldn't mind if it's just for the RS, but you know Pop will hand him minutes in the playoffs over guys like Danny or Mills... I just rather the Spurs don't bring him in and put Pop in that position, tbh...

[TheGreatYacht]

Marcus, you have to understand ST doesn't want proved players on this team (Lebron, Gasol, Monroe, Marion, Pierce, etc) ... So of course they won't want Jesus Shuttlesworth.

Ideal ST needs: Bogdan Bogdanovic, Bertans, Ryan Richards, Nando De Colo, Omri Casspi, Xabi Rey

[Old School 44]

Either Cavs or retires.

[ElNono]

Marcus, you have to understand ST doesn't want proved players on this team (Lebron, Gasol, Monroe, Marion, etc) ... So of course they won't want Jesus Shuttlesworth.

You forgot Pierce...

[TheGreatYacht]

You forgot Pierce...
How could I forget :tu

[SouthernFried]

The whole team has to work to get Ray Allen open shots. He runs off so many screens without the ball, it's amazing. But, that means you have to focus your offense on getting him a shot, or else he's worthless. He's not a screener, passer, penetrator, or defender. He's a guy that needs the team to focus on screening for him to get a shot. Not sure that's what the Spurs are about.

But, make no mistake. The guy is still money when he DOES have an open shot.

[Marcus Bryant]

Or, he's a guy who can make the extra pass and take the extra pass and hit the open J. And handle the rock.

[baseline bum]

I'd fucking love to have him; you can never have too many shooters, and he's the greatest one to ever set foot on an NBA floor. Yes, I fucking hate Ray Allen. And I hated Robert Horry for taking a Spurs title in 1995 and for giving David Robinson a cheapshot slap to the nuts that dropped him to the floor at the end of a blowout in the 03 playoffs (I think it was Game 2).

[baseline bum]

The whole team has to work to get Ray Allen open shots. He runs off so many screens without the ball, it's amazing. But, that means you have to focus your offense on getting him a shot, or else he's worthless. He's not a screener, passer, penetrator, or defender. He's a guy that needs the team to focus on screening for him to get a shot. Not sure that's what the Spurs are about.

But, make no mistake. The guy is still money when he DOES have an open shot.

They set those same complicated patterns of screens for Danny Green, Patty Mills, and Marco Belinelli. Those kind of plays are exactly what the Spurs are about and the reason they'r the champs.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'd fucking love to have him; you can never have too many shooters, and he's the greatest one to ever set foot on an NBA floor. Yes, I fucking hate Ray Allen. And I hated Robert Horry for taking a Spurs title in 1995 and for giving David Robinson a cheapshot slap to the nuts that dropped him to the floor at the end of a blowout in the 03 playoffs (I think it was Game 2).

:tu

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

He's definitely going to Cleveland if he plays on.

H'ed certainly fit our offense though.

[ElNono]

Or, he's a guy who can make the extra pass and take the extra pass and hit the open J. And handle the rock.


I'd fucking love to have him; you can never have too many shooters, and he's the greatest one to ever set foot on an NBA floor. Yes, I fucking hate Ray Allen. And I hated Robert Horry for taking a Spurs title in 1995 and for giving David Robinson a cheapshot slap to the nuts that dropped him to the floor at the end of a blowout in the 03 playoffs (I think it was Game 2).

I'm warming up to the idea, tbh... You could even argue that Pop could rejuvenate him a bit with some minute monitoring, and if Belli can get minutes, I doubt Ray's defense would be a problem. Like I said, my main concern is him eating up Danny or Patty minutes, tbh...

[TheGoldStandard]

We hate him now but the second he knocks down a 3 in the clutch we'd praise him. However this will never happen

[benefactor]

:lol emotionally compromised Spur fan

He's not coming here, but yes to Ray Allen.

[spurraider21]

my main concern is him eating up Danny or Patty minutes, tbh...
yep. i'd love him on the spurs, but he also makes Marco very redundant

[baseline bum]

I do hope he retires though. Mainly because there is so much bad blood between he and the Spurs that if he doesn't go to Cleveland, he'll probably go to Oklahoma City... and no fucking way I want to see that motherfucker making the Thunder an even worse matchup for the Spurs.

[RD2191]

Fuck Ray Allen

[exstatic]

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[Mikeanaro]

Fuck no, FUCK HIM!

[baseline bum]

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He probably played too many minutes with Wade being rested. No real sure things out there right now though. Miller is the guy I really wanted after seeing him light up the 2013 Finals and then the 2013-14 season and playoffs.

[Ice009]

Yeah, I would have preferred Mike Miller, especially after seeing the way he played for the Grizzlies in the playoffs. He looked very, very good for a player that Miami supposedly let go last off-season as being done.

[exstatic]

He probably played too many minutes with Wade being rested. No real sure things out there right now though. Miller is the guy I really wanted after seeing him light up the 2013 Finals and then the 2013-14 season and playoffs.

Pretty much 26 minutes, give or take, the last two years.

[TheGreatYacht]

@GwashburnGlobe: NBA source tells Globe that Ray Allen is leaning toward returning for 19th season and joining LeBron James with #cavaliers

[Kindergarten Cop]

@GwashburnGlobe: NBA source tells Globe that Ray Allen is leaning toward returning for 19th season and joining LeBron James with #cavaliers

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[Budkin]

Would take him in a second.

[Spurs da champs]

I'd fucking love to have him; you can never have too many shooters, and he's the greatest one to ever set foot on an NBA floor. Yes, I fucking hate Ray Allen. And I hated Robert Horry for taking a Spurs title in 1995 and for giving David Robinson a cheapshot slap to the nuts that dropped him to the floor at the end of a blowout in the 03 playoffs (I think it was Game 2).
lol Didn't Dave say something about "my family jewels"? :lol

[Kool Bob Love]

Fuck Ray Allen and anyone who side with him.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I know a lot of the Ray Allen hate goes all the way back to Bruce Bowen and Seattle, but I find it pretty funny.

Let's face it, Bruce did cheap shot him quite a bit, and Ray was justified in speaking out about it. :lmao

[Spur|n|Austin]

Nah, no Shuttlesworth here.

[Mugen]

Fuck Ray Allen. I hope that nigga comes back for another year so the Spurs can knock him out again tbh.

[Robz4000]

Would rather have Marion tbh.

[Kawhi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWzm2zBLZys

Never forget

[CitizenDwayne]

Fuck Ray Allen. I hope that nigga comes back for another year so the Spurs can knock him out again tbh.

[tmtcsc]

Report: Ray Allen to get MRI on knees then decide future plans (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/23/report-ray-allen-to-get-mri-on-knees-then-decide-future-plans/)

He and the rest of the Miami Heat 2013 roster should get MRI's on their psyches after they got pounded by the Spurs.

[Sean Cagney]

I would take him on my team, now TERRY thats another story and HELL NO forever. Ray Allen I don't really like per se but he is a good player who can hit the three at a good rate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWzm2zBLZys

Never forget

Okay thats all I needed to see again :lol:ihit

I also hate the fact he sold out his boys in Boston to go to a rival in the Heat, no wonder KG and Pierce won't even talk to that dude after that, he sold out to the highest degree there to get a ring. F ALLEN.

[Kindergarten Cop]

He and the rest of the Miami Heat 2014 roster should get MRI's on their psyches after they got pounded by the Spurs.

FIFY

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWzm2zBLZys

Never forget

Even though that shot broke my heart, I find it hard to hate Ray Allen for it. It was probably the biggest shot in NBA finals history, degree of difficulty 10/10. I respect it.

PS It's a lot easier to say that in July 2014 that it was before the Finals... :lol

[Mark in Austin]

Fuck Ray Allen. And if decides to come here then so be it. I cheered for Horry, I could cheer for mercenary Ray. But I don't think he sogns with SA. Setting the Bruce situation aside (hey Ray, take Kobe's advice on that - just shut up and play), he has always been pretty chippy with Manu too. But I hope he retires or coat tails Lebron again. Him signing in OKC would suck.

[FireMicoHalili]

This guy is going to keep holding on to LeBron's peener til he wins another championship. Should've signed with OKC, but they've got Morrow already.

[florige]

I thought he was coat-tailing Lebron?

[florige]

I know a lot of the Ray Allen hate goes all the way back to Bruce Bowen and Seattle, but I find it pretty funny.

Let's face it, Bruce did cheap shot him quite a bit, and Ray was justified in speaking out about it. :lmao


Thats what I was thinking. I don't like Ray Allen for "the shot", but I never really had a problem with him before that. I love Bowen, but lets face it dude was a dirty. That drop kick on Wally was proof enough for me. Spurs fans like to give him a pass because he was a Spur. But dude was a dirty player no doubt.:lol

[BatManu20]

Don't want this coat-tailing mercenary on our team. I actually used to like Ray Ray back in his Milwaukee days as a kid. I loved watching that team with him, Big Dog, and Sam Cassel. Still think they were robbed in the 2001 ECF against Philly. But he's become quite a blowhard imo.

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[T Park]

him going to Cleveland just levels the league even more. The more the league levels the easier the path for a repeat.

[DapDaGenius]

You should be pinked.

What does "pinked" mean?

[tmtcsc]

FIFY

It was the 2013-2014 Roster.

[Obstructed_View]

Other than finally losing his cool with Ray and kicking him, Bowen never did anything to Ray Allen other than crowd his space better than anyone, which made Ray cry to the officials and fake a limp with Seattle.

[Ice009]

Ray was/is a bitch. Plain and simple. Kobe never said a word about Bruce being dirty. Ray just couldn't take it.

I will say that Bruce kicking him that one time was intentional, but other than that, Bruce played Ray tight and Ray didn't like it so he cried about it.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I wouldn't mind if it's just for the RS, but you know Pop will hand him minutes in the playoffs over guys like Danny or Mills... I just rather the Spurs don't bring him in and put Pop in that position, tbh...

It actually seems like Pop is rewarding superior play more. He showed no hesitation pulling Parker for Mills late in games if Tony was ineffective.

[TheGoldStandard]

Ray was/is a bitch. Plain and simple. Kobe never said a word about Bruce being dirty. Ray just couldn't take it.

I will say that Bruce kicking him that one time was intentional, but other than that, Bruce played Ray tight and Ray didn't like it so he cried about it.

Kobe doesn't call out non teammates.

[florige]

Ray was/is a bitch. Plain and simple. Kobe never said a word about Bruce being dirty. Ray just couldn't take it.

I will say that Bruce kicking him that one time was intentional, but other than that, Bruce played Ray tight and Ray didn't like it so he cried about it.




Thats because Bowen couldn't really guard Kobe. He made stuff harder for him but he had nowhere the success he had while guarding Kobe verses Ray Allen. He for all intensive purposes used to shut down Allen. If he was hindering Kobe from scoring then Kobe probably would had complained.

[ChumpDumper]

Thats because Bowen couldn't really guard Kobe. He made stuff harder for him but he had nowhere the success he had while guarding Kobe verses Ray Allen. He for all intensive purposes used to shut down Allen. If he was hindering Kobe from scoring then Kobe probably would had complained.Actually the best thing about Bowen's hindering Kobe was it caused Kobe to shoot even more. Even if he ended up with 30 it was often a horribly inefficient 30 that ruined the rest of the Lakers' offense.

[monkeypunk]

Cavs or retirement.

Ray will never go to another team without BronBron.

Tbh, don't want him anyway. Can't defend, can't create his own shot and is too old to learn our system. Much rather give Anderson those minutes and see what he's made of.

[Kindergarten Cop]

It was the 2013-2014 Roster.

Fair enough, but if you just say "2013" most would assume that you're referring to the 12/13 season - similar to saying that the Spurs are the 2014 NBA Champions (when it was for the 13/14 season).

Regardless, it's not that big of a deal. I meant no harm and I apologize if you took any offense to it. :toast

[tmtcsc]

Fair enough, but if you just say "2013" most would assume that you're referring to the 12/13 season - similar to saying that the Spurs are the 2014 NBA Champions (when it was for the 13/14 season).

Regardless, it's not that big of a deal. I meant no harm and I apologize if you took any offense to it. :toast

Its all good, no worries. Not offended. I should have been more clear.

[ironman2886]

A f#€king Ray Allen thread? WTF?

[Marcus Bryant]

RC and Pop say fuck you pantywaist Spurs fans.

http://dimemag.com/2014/08/report-spurs-making-run-ray-allen/

[spurspokesman]

He's to in Love with Lebron to have eyes for SA

[xmas1997]

He's to in Love with Lebron to have eyes for SA

I sincerely hope you are right.

[Blue Duck]

I think he would fit, that's just me. I also believe that running your defender through screen after screen, which our bigs would be more than willing to set, counts as creating your own shot, or at least creating space, thereby increasing your percentage exponentially. And on this offense, should he be signed, he would shoot the highest percentage of his career. He must have considered this.

[Dex]

I think he would fit, that's just me. I also believe that running your defender through screen after screen, which our bigs would be more than willing to set, counts as creating your own shot, or at least creating space, thereby increasing your percentage exponentially. And on this offense, should he be signed, he would shoot the highest percentage of his career. He must have considered this.

While I agree that Allen would get a buffet of open shots here, I don't think that would be a far cry from Miami, which had three Top 10 players (at one point) attracting attention and were very adept at pitching out to their shooters. Allen was never really expected to create there and should be used to the spot up role at this point.

Personally, I still say pass.

[T Park]

Yeah why would you want a clutch shooting guard off the bench with decent athleticism who would become the 4th best wing immediately.

Yeah why would they want that.

[debo]

Yeah why would you want a clutch shooting guard off the bench with decent athleticism who would become the 4th best wing immediately.

Yeah why would they want that.

Dude.. Chill. Does it not bother you that you are a major asshole in the majority of your posts? Mostly unwarranted as well. Jesus. What a negative attitude. There's no need to be so sarcastic or cynical just because you think you know more than someone else.

[Chinook]

Yeah why would you want a clutch shooting guard off the bench with decent athleticism who would become the 4th best wing immediately.

Yeah why would they want that.

Yeah, why wouldn't the team want a 39-year-old sixth wing who can't defend and shouldn't be on the floor over any of the other wings in crunch time?

Yeah, why wouldn't they want that?

[Chillen]

More I think about it if the Spurs can get Ray Allen away from LeBron's arms, this could be a move to fire the team up to repeat. Here's why, having him on the team will remind them they still have unfinished business still, get that 2013 championship back to San Antonio. 2014 was a sweet redemption championship for the Spurs, and having Ray Allen on the team means he can't beat you in the Finals again and can only help motivate the team to win it all again. I worry about motivation for them in the 2014-2015 season. Also Ray instead of retiring will be on a deep team and he can get more rest. With the Cavs they will play him like crazy, with the Spurs he will be used but also be able to rest. He also can remind the guys they still have to win another one in the locker room and fire them up. brilliant move if it happens and he will be on a team with similar veteran players, in other words he fits in perfectly. So sign him to fire this team up, I have a feeling they might be to satisfied since that 2014 NBA title was so sweet. I still think he will be a Cav though.

[T Park]

Yeah, why wouldn't the team want a 39-year-old sixth wing who can't defend and shouldn't be on the floor over any of the other wings in crunch time?

Yeah, why wouldn't they want that?

Can't defend? You're insane. He's already better than Belinelli. Better than Joseph. Allen would be fantastic off the bench.
Just because he's not Bruce Bowen doesn't mean he's not a decent defender.

[T Park]

Dude.. Chill. Does it not bother you that you are a major asshole in the majority of your posts? Mostly unwarranted as well. Jesus. What a negative attitude. There's no need to be so sarcastic or cynical just because you think you know more than someone else.

Read it scroll. Could give two shots if you think
I'm negative or sarcastic.

[Ice009]

Can't defend? You're insane. He's already better than Belinelli. Better than Joseph. Allen would be fantastic off the bench.
Just because he's not Bruce Bowen doesn't mean he's not a decent defender.

He's a better defender than Cory Joseph? WTF? If healthy and 100%, I might say he's a better defender than Marco, but not Cory. Not at this stage of his career anyway.

[Chinook]

Can't defend? You're insane. He's already better than Belinelli. Better than Joseph. Allen would be fantastic off the bench.
Just because he's not Bruce Bowen doesn't mean he's not a decent defender.

Must have completely missed the Finals if you think Allen can defend. It's not just age with him. He's returned to his old form of not trying on that end.

[anakha]

Ray Allen better on defense than Cory Joseph? I want whatever drugs T Park is taking.

[hater]

we get Ray Allen and we REPEAT. PERIOD

[Poolboy5623]

we get Ray Allen and we REPEAT. PERIOD

Just kidding, right?

[ace3g]

Wouldn't hurt to add a player that can go 4-5 from 3 at any given point in a series.

[spurraider21]

I don't hate Allen but our roster doesn't really allow for this signing. Are we really going to carry Parker, CoJo, Mills, Danny, Manu, Marco, AND Ray? I'm just not seeing it.

Although we could have a video game like three point lineup with patty, Allen, green, Diaw/bonner

[timtonymanu]

Ray Allen better on defense than Cory Joseph? I want whatever drugs T Park is taking.

Yet he has the nerve to say the forum has fallen so far compared to the "good old days" :lol

[exstatic]

Wouldn't hurt to add a player that can go 4-5 from 3 at any given point in a series.

If you want Ray Allen, you'd need a time machine to meet that criteria. His three pointer is his only asset, and that's been slipping the last 3 years.

[RD2191]

Nothing Ray Allen can do that Danny Green can't. Also younger and more athletic.

[superbigtime]

he may just be done.

[TE]

Pass...

[Chillen]

It's easy to write a guy off as done, but if he can be had for the vet minimum, it's worth it.

[exstatic]

It's easy to write a guy off as done, but if he can be had for the vet minimum, it's worth it.

Ray Allen is not coming here for the minimum. We are both late to the game, and he and his agent know we still have the MLE.

[Ice009]

Ray Allen is not coming here for the minimum. We are both late to the game, and he and his agent know we still have the MLE.

lol, I didn't even want to comment on the suggestion that he'd accept the minimum. The only way the Spurs would have a chance is with the MLE, or if they get lucky, a little less than the full MLE.

Everyone knows the Spurs have the MLE left. If the Spurs were stupid enough to offer him the minimum, his response would probably be "I can play with Lebron any day of the week for the minimum" then hang up the phone.

[Chinook]

Ray Allen is not coming here for the minimum. We are both late to the game, and he and his agent know we still have the MLE.

lol, I didn't even want to comment on the suggestion that he'd accept the minimum. The only way the Spurs would have a chance is with the MLE, or if they get lucky, a little less than the full MLE.

Everyone knows the Spurs have the MLE left. If the Spurs were stupid enough to offer him the minimum, his response would probably be "I can play with Lebron any day of the week for the minimum" then hang up the phone.


The hell? Of course the Spurs would only offer the minimum. They don't need Allen at all, so if he wants to go play in Cleveland, the Spurs certainly wouldn't be desperate to stop him. No way he gets anything near the full MLE, or even the full LLE.

The bottom line is that Allen isn't still on the market because so many teams are fighting over him. He's on the market because no one really values him. Everyone else has already used MLEs, mMLEs, LLEs and rMLEs on other players.

[Ice009]

The hell? Of course the Spurs would only offer the minimum. They don't need Allen at all, so if he wants to go play in Cleveland, the Spurs certainly wouldn't be desperate to stop him. No way he gets anything near the full MLE, or even the full LLE.

The bottom line is that Allen isn't still on the market because so many teams are fighting over him. He's on the market because no one really values him. Everyone else has already used MLEs, mMLEs, LLEs and rMLEs on other players.

The hell? Why would he come here for the minimum? Last I read was that he said he's deciding whether or not he wants to play and that he hasn't made a decision on that yet. How do you know teams haven't asked about him?

If he's going to play for the minimum, he'll likely play for the Cavs, or are you saying that the Cavs don't even want him for the minimum? No way he chooses the Spurs for the minimum. If he decides to play and they really want him, they're going to have to offer more than the minimum.

[Chinook]

The hell? Why would he come here for the minimum? Last I read was that he said he's deciding whether or not he wants to play and that he hasn't made a decision on that yet. How do you know teams haven't asked about him?

If he's going to play for the minimum, he'll likely play for the Cavs, or are you saying that the Cavs don't even want him for the minimum? No way he chooses the Spurs for the minimum. If he decides to play and they really want him, they're going to have to offer more than the minimum.

Why wouldn't he choose the Spurs? They are the best team in the league. No other team comes close. It makes no sense to bend over backward for him.

[HI-FI]

hopefully they pass. don't need him.

[mkurts]

At this point in his career he should be begging the Spurs for the minimum. Drop the charade already

[hater]

:lol at the "ray allen is done" crowd

I just watched the NBA Finals and Ray Allen was one of the few bright spots on that joke of a team (aside from LeRoid, Yoshi and Jaws)

I can only imagine the BEST SHOOTER IN HISTORY would kill it in a Spurs jersey.

Do it RC

[Chinook]

^ :lol hater in prime form.

[Ice009]

Why wouldn't he choose the Spurs? They are the best team in the league. No other team comes close. It makes no sense to bend over backward for him.

I would do what you said if I was a player, but for some reason most other players don't see it that way. They don't seem to want to come here unless the Spurs are offering more money than the competition. I didn't think Ray Allen would be any different, so that is why I said he wouldn't choose the Spurs for the minimum if other teams like Cleveland offered the same.

[100%duncan]

Spurs won't offer the MLE for him, and they shouldn't tbh. Very unlikely that Allen goes here for the minimum. So this shit has 0% of happening.










































































Also, fuck Ray Allen tbh.

[TMTTRIO]

Why not. I don't see Manu playing very much this year anyway so it would be nice to get another clutch player.

[Captivus]

:lol at the "ray allen is done" crowd

I just watched the NBA Finals and Ray Allen was one of the few bright spots on that joke of a team (aside from LeRoid, Yoshi and Jaws)

I can only imagine the BEST SHOOTER IN HISTORY would kill it in a Spurs jersey.

Do it RC

Is Miller coming back?

[ducks]

the mle on him would make more sence
ray and manu can take turns on the bench 28 minutes a night

[T Park]

The hell? Of course the Spurs would only offer the minimum. They don't need Allen at all, so if he wants to go play in Cleveland, the Spurs certainly wouldn't be desperate to stop him. No way he gets anything near the full MLE, or even the full LLE.

The bottom line is that Allen isn't still on the market because so many teams are fighting over him. He's on the market because no one really values him. Everyone else has already used MLEs, mMLEs, LLEs and rMLEs on other players.

Hes on the market because he wants to be.

Ray Allen is still a damn good player. Hes better than Belinelli, and would make the Spurs barring injury near locks for a repeat.

[Chinook]

Hes on the market because he wants to be.

Ray Allen is still a damn good player. Hes better than Belinelli, and would make the Spurs barring injury near locks for a repeat.

He's on the market because no one really wants him that badly. Sure, teams with an open spot would take him for the min, but no one's carving out room in their rotation for him. Looking at rosters now, the only team I could see him getting consistent minutes on is Cleveland, and that's only because they traded away so many wings this summer. He certainly wouldn't (or shouldn't) get them in SA. At best, he'd be the fourth-best wing, and he'd be the sixth best perimeter player (seventh when Patty returns). And that's only if you think he's honestly better than Beli, which is definitely debatable.

I don't get it: What sense would it make to have a fourth two-guard over a third (healthy) PG or a front-court player? The Spurs already have Anderson to fill in spot perimeter minutes that result from injuries/rest. No need for Allen at all. And Ray wouldn't make the Spurs a better contender at all, since he wouldn't even be on the floor during the Finals. Seriously: Who would you replace in crunch time to get Allen minutes? The answer is no one, so there goes any value Allen could possibly have.

[100%duncan]

He's on the market because no one really wants him that badly. Sure, teams with an open spot would take him for the min, but no one's carving out room in their rotation for him. Looking at rosters now, the only team I could see him getting consistent minutes on is Cleveland, and that's only because they traded away so many wings this summer. He certainly wouldn't (or shouldn't) get them in SA. At best, he'd be the fourth-best wing, and he'd be the sixth best perimeter player (seventh when Patty returns). And that's only if you think he's honestly better than Beli, which is definitely debatable.

I don't get it: What sense would it make to have a fourth two-guard over a third (healthy) PG or a front-court player? The Spurs already have Anderson to fill in spot perimeter minutes that result from injuries/rest. No need for Allen at all. And Ray wouldn't make the Spurs a better contender at all, since he wouldn't even be on the floor during the Finals. Seriously: Who would you replace in crunch time to get Allen minutes? The answer is no one, so there goes any value Allen could possibly have.

This.

[spurspokesman]

Even as a Uconn fan I don't care if we get him or not. He is to in love with Bron to even consider SA, but maybe i'm wrong.