Foundational Falshoods of Creationism

[RD2191]

Very simple question.

[Shastafarian]

I provided a very clear answer on page 32. If you really need me to make it simpler for you to understand I can do that.

[spurraider21]

If I have to school you again with the banana I will.
its crazy tbh...

banana is perfect proof.
peanut butter is perfect proof.

and the fact that bananas and peanut butter taste amazing together just MUST be a sign of just how perfect the world is at the hands of the designer

[RD2191]

I provided a very clear answer on page 32. If you really need me to make it simpler for you to understand I can do that.
Is killing an animal wrong?

[Shastafarian]

Is killing an animal wrong?

Which animal? How am I killing it?

[Shastafarian]

Are you a lawyer? You like to ask leading, vague questions.

[RD2191]

Which animal? How am I killing it?
Why would it matter? Any animal.

[Shastafarian]

Why would it matter? Dammit I said try to stay with me! You don't read to well huh?

Any animal.
Need to be more specific. My answer depends on the circumstances of the situation.

[spurraider21]

Why would it matter? Any animal.
tbh it would obviously matter, in the scope of your discussion. killing an ant would be significantly different than killing a chimpanzee

[Shastafarian]

I'm glad we can have this conversation I didn't get my cardio in today and these circles I'm running have kept me in shape.

[RD2191]

tbh it would obviously matter, in the scope of your discussion. killing an ant would be significantly different than killing a chimpanzee
How so?

[RD2191]

Dammit I said try to stay with me! You don't read to well huh?

Need to be more specific. My answer depends on the circumstances of the situation.
In order to survive, if an animal was attacking you would you kill it?

[spurraider21]

How so?
personally i dont care if its "good" or "bad" its a matter of my own personal judgement. i couldn't care less if i slaughtered 1,000 ants. maybe that's "evil" or "bad" but to be honest, i really wouldn't give a shit. on the other hand i would never kill a dog unless it was a life/death situation or self defense

[Shastafarian]

If an animal that had a reasonable chance to physically harm me or kill me was attacking me I would do what was necessary for my survival. I already told you that too. Page 32. Give it a read since you keep asking me things I already answered.

[RD2191]

personally i dont care if its "good" or "bad" its a matter of my own personal judgement. i couldn't care less if i slaughtered 1,000 ants. maybe that's "evil" or "bad" but to be honest, i really wouldn't give a shit. on the other hand i would never kill a dog unless it was a life/death situation or self defense
Okay then, but you aren't claiming that killing an animal is wrong and evil unlike RG and shasta.

[Shastafarian]

Is "what if a baby was about to kill you" coming? Because I won't be able to handle that :rollin

[RD2191]

If an animal that had a reasonable chance to physically harm me or kill me was attacking me I would do what was necessary for my survival. I already told you that too. Page 32. Give it a read since you keep asking me things I already answered.
Okay then killing is okay in your eyes.

[Shastafarian]

Okay then, but you aren't claiming that killing an animal is wrong and evil unlike RG and shasta.

hmmm where did I say that?

[RD2191]

hmmm where did I say that?
You said killing babies was fucked up.

[Shastafarian]

Okay then killing is okay in your eyes.

circumstantially yes, as I have stated numerous times.

[spurraider21]

i think its human nature to feel more compassion to something that is more human, or closer to it. an ant doesn't really show emotion. a dog will exhibit sadness, happiness, and pain in a way that humans can understand. they have facial expressions, body language, etc. it's an entirely different feeling and relationship. i've never been emotionally attached to a chimp, but then again i've never really known one :lol, but they're very humanlike in a lot of their behaviors, mannerisms... and aside from probably not being able to (without a weapon) i dont think i'd ever have it in me to put down an innocent chimp. but i'll kill insects, fish, and rodents without thinking twice. i've never gone hunting, but i'd have no moral objections to shooting an animal

[RD2191]

circumstantially yes, as I have stated numerous times.
Which is what I told RG, killing under certain circumstances is okay.

[Shastafarian]

You said killing babies was fucked up.

Yeah. It is. I cannot envision a circumstance where killing a baby is justifiable. I've never seen a baby threaten another life in any manner.

[Shastafarian]

Which is what I told RG, killing under certain circumstances is okay.

Babies?

[spurraider21]

Okay then, but you aren't claiming that killing an animal is wrong and evil unlike RG and shasta.
i think its incorrect to act as though there is a universal "wrong" or "evil." its a matter of perception. in some cases, like homocide, its a more common or shared perspective. but its not some absolute that we're all born with

[RD2191]

Yeah. It is. I cannot envision a circumstance where killing a baby is justifiable. I've never seen a baby threaten another life in any manner.
But a baby is just an animal?

[Shastafarian]

But a baby is just an animal?

Are you asking me? I've already answered this if so.

[RD2191]

Are you asking me? I've already answered this if so.
Simple yes or no.

[Shastafarian]

Why doesn't god perform miracles anymore?

[RD2191]

Don't change the subject.

[Shastafarian]

Simple yes or no.Not gonna play that game - "just animals". I've already made my thoughts clear on the difference between humans and others in the kingdom.

[Shastafarian]

Why doesn't god perform miracles anymore?

[RD2191]

Not gonna play that game - "just animals". I've already made my thoughts clear on the difference between humans and others in the kingdom.
Your claim is simple, killing animals is wrong.

[Shastafarian]

Your claim is simple, killing animals is wrong.

Never made that claim. Holy shit how many times are we going to go in this circle?


Why doesn't god perform miracles anymore?

[RD2191]

So killing animals isn't wrong?

[Shastafarian]

Already answered the generic aspect of that question. I have also answered more specific aspects of that question.

Now why doesn't god perform miracles anymore? Since the topic of this thread is creationism I think my question is more on-topic.

[RD2191]

I'm not gonna answer that. It has already been answered.

[Shastafarian]

I'm not gonna answer that. It has already been answered.

Oh my mistake. Can you tell me about which page? I didn't see it.

[RD2191]

Look for it, I'm pretty sure I provided a link to RG.

[Shastafarian]

Doesn't look like you answered that question. You two talked about answering prayers and things like that. I want to know why god doesn't perform miracles anymore. You'd think at a time like this when atheism and agnosticism are on the rise, he would pop out a miracle or two so people keep the faith.

[spurraider21]

yeah but can u explain that we never find new life in peanut butter?

[Shastafarian]

yeah but can u explain that we never find new life in peanut butter?

Life must have an inherent peanut allergy

[RD2191]

You're asking the same questions RG asked. They have all been answered. You and RG are both in agreement that killing is okay when necessary. I also agree with that.

[Shastafarian]

You never answered that. Why doesn't god perform miracles anymore?

Also we never said killing babies was ok. You seem to think it is.

[RD2191]

Lets make it simple. You kill in order to survive. Gods people had to kill to survive. Lets say they only kill the men and leave the women and children alive. What was going to happen to these women and children? Remember, these are Biblical times. Women and children would of starved to death out in the wilderness.

[RD2191]

You never answered that. Why doesn't god perform miracles anymore?

Also we never said killing babies was ok. You seem to think it is.
You said killing under certain circumstances is okay.

[Shastafarian]

Lets make it simple. You kill in order to survive. Gods people had to kill to survive. Lets say they only kill the men and leave the women and children alive. What was going to happen to these women and children? Remember, these are Biblical times. Women and children would of starved to death out in the wilderness.Would HAVE starved. So you're saying it's ok to kill babies when there's a chance they can't survive with their mothers. Got it.


You said killing under certain circumstances is okay.Yeah and we both also made clear there is no reasonable circumstance where killing a baby is ok.

[Shastafarian]

I'm gonna go to bed but I have one more question. Do you think you came out on top in this discussion?

[RD2191]

Would HAVE starved. So you're saying it's ok to kill babies when there's a chance they can't survive with their mothers. Got it.

Yeah and we both also made clear there is no reasonable circumstance where killing a baby is ok.
Bro, it is a certainty that they would have died. Do you know anything about Biblical times?

How is that not a reasonable circumstance? You would rather watch a mother and their baby starve to death than to do away with them quickly?

Either way, why is it wrong if they're both animals?

[Leetonidas]

You guys ever get a cheesy build up under your scrotum after a long days work tbh? I could probably grate this shit onto a salad

[Shastafarian]

Alright since you're not gonna answer my last question I'll respond to this and then go to bed


Bro, it is a certainty that they would have died. Do you know anything about Biblical times?:lol Bro, I know about biblical times. I know that they preferred killing women and babies than say giving them temporary shelter or showing mercy. You seem to be of similar ilk.


How is that not a reasonable circumstance?You have a very warped sense of the world and morality

You would rather watch a mother and their baby starve to death than to do away with them quickly?I'd rather watch neither.


Either way, why is it wrong if they're both animals?lol circle completed

[RD2191]

Alright since you're not gonna answer my last question I'll respond to this and then go to bed

:lol Bro, I know about biblical times. I know that they preferred killing women and babies than say giving them temporary shelter or showing mercy. You seem to be of similar ilk.

You have a very warped sense of the world and morality
I'd rather watch neither.

lol circle completed
Temporary shelter? Yes because I'm sure the woman and child whose father you just killed will one day be able to be a part of your society. :lol

And you still can't answer the question.

[RD2191]

Who are you to speak on morality? You're just an animal.

[RD2191]

Why is it immoral to kill a baby when a baby is just an animal in your eyes?

[spurraider21]

You guys ever get a cheesy build up under your scrotum after a long days work tbh? I could probably grate this shit onto a salad
:lmao

[Blake]

So if humans aren't animals then what are we?

We're animals doing what animals do: eating other animals.

your God is the one saying "thou shalt not kill"

.....right after he committed mass murder with a flood....

[Blake]

If I have to school you again with the banana I will.

I hope you're serious.

[Blake]

Good night fellows, until tomorrow.
Great thread by the way.

You're getting horribly shit on in this thread.

[Blake]

Why is it immoral to kill a baby when a baby is just an animal in your eyes?

It's the result of an evolved society deciding how best to protect it's individuals.

your turn:

Why is it morally ok for God to kill?

[xmas1997]

You're getting horribly shit on in this thread.

So says the one with the shits!
:lmao

Nope, in your dreams only.

[Shastafarian]

And you still can't answer the question.
I answered your questions. You rarely answered mine and when you did you didn't go into the depth that I did. Either you're disingenuous or you're not bright. Which is it? I know which I think it is but please, clarify for me.

[Shastafarian]

Why is it immoral to kill a baby when a baby is just an animal in your eyes?

Bottom of page 32.

Like I said I can explain it in simpler terms for you if that's what you require. Just tell me. I don't actively discriminate against those who have trouble understanding things.

[silverblk mystix]

Rob embarrassing the haters!



:lmao:lmao:lmao


At their own game no less!

[Blake]

Rob embarrassing the haters!



:lmao:lmao:lmao


At their own game no less!

you and xmas should be embarrassed for riding his cock

[RD2191]

Rob embarrassing the haters!



:lmao:lmao:lmao


At their own game no less!
:lolThey can't even answer a simple question.

[Blake]

:lolThey can't even answer a simple question.

It's been answered, retard.

[xmas1997]

you and xmas should be embarrassed for riding his cock

Since you don't have a cock, according to your ex-wife, what room do you have to comment on anyone else's?
:lmao

[Shastafarian]

:lolThey can't even answer a simple question.

It seems neither can you


Why doesn't god perform miracles anymore?

[Blake]

Since you don't have a cock, according to your ex-wife, what room do you have to comment on anyone else's?
:lmao

You should be embarrassed for this awful post

[Shastafarian]

:lolThey can't even answer a simple question.


I'd like to think you're just doing this because you don't want to be seen as losing ground on this argument. However, I have a feeling you might actually be this dense. Please confirm one or the other.

[xmas1997]

Why doesn't god perform miracles anymore?

Woah, boy, how do you know He doesn't?
You probably wish you could take back this question.
:lol

[xmas1997]

You should be embarrassed for this awful post

Oh, I am ......









NOT.
:lmao

[Shastafarian]

Woah, boy, how do you know He doesn't?
You probably wish you could take back this question.
:lol
I don't. Your friend Rob said earlier that god doesn't perform miracles anymore. I'm asking him why that is since he also claims that god's plan is clear. He doesn't answer my questions though so I'm close to giving up on this.

[xmas1997]

I don't. Your friend Rob said earlier that god doesn't perform miracles anymore. I'm asking him why that is since he also claims that god's plan is clear. He doesn't answer my questions though so I'm close to giving up on this.

I don't care who said what or when.
I would not bet against God performing miracles still.
I honestly believe He did recently when He influenced Pope Benedict to do an unprecedented modern day retirement in order to get Pope Francis to take charge.
That could easily be argued as a miracle.
Or do you consider only supernatural events as miracles?
Also babies are born every minute.
Those are miracles according to many.

[Shastafarian]

I think we have a different definition of miracle. But thanks for at least attempting to answer the question. Your friend rob doesn't seem interested in doing anything other than ask the same questions over and over again, even when they have been answered.

[Blake]

Woah, boy, how do you know He doesn't?
You probably wish you could take back this question.
:lol

Why didn't you ask rob this when he stated it?

[silverblk mystix]

Since you don't have a cock, according to your ex-wife, what room do you have to comment on anyone else's?
:lmao


She found some though!



:lmao:lmao

[Blake]

She found some though!



:lmao:lmao

So did you

[silverblk mystix]

She sure did - and I watched!



Sick bastard!


:lmao:lmao

[xmas1997]

Blake was never married, he has to ask his mommy to take him to a ST GTG for Christ sakes!
:rollin

[spurraider21]

Blake was never married, he has to ask his mommy to take him to a ST GTG for Christ sakes!
:rollin
^troll

[Woo Bum-kon]

Why are people still replying to robdiaz's "nuh-uh" schtick?

[xmas1997]

^troll

Nope, troll-bashing.

[mrsmaalox]

^troll

But he's not a troll!! He's decent!! :madrun

[leemajors]

^troll

yup

[Blake]

Nope, troll-bashing.

Nope, you went off topic and went right to personal fodder.

You're a troll. Plain and simple.

[xmas1997]

But he's not a troll!! He's decent!! :madrun


yup


Nope, you went off topic and went right to personal fodder.

You're a troll. Plain and simple.

Since you three are well know trolls, I suppose you would know, but then it is also well known that trolls lie, they are very stupid, and they like to justify their trolling by calling decent posters trolls, so I will take your statements as validation I am what I say I am a troll-basher.
Most decent posters would agree with me, and against you trolls who depend on your troll buddies to vouch for you in order to exist.
Thank you for the validation.
:lol

[Blake]

Since you three are well know trolls, I suppose you would know, but then it is also well known that trolls lie, they are very stupid, and they like to justify their trolling by calling decent posters trolls, so I will take your statements as validation I am what I say I am a troll-basher.
Most decent posters would agree with me, and against you trolls who depend on your troll buddies to vouch for you in order to exist.
Thank you for the validation.
:lol

Lol xmas and his laws of trolling

if you really want validation, start a new thread asking the forum what they think of you.

[Blake]

You know what? I'll help you out and do it for you.

It'll be a simple thread with a simple question: "true or false: xmas is a troll"

Just say the word and it's done.

[xmas1997]

You know what? I'll help you out and do it for you.

It'll be a simple thread with a simple question: "true or false: xmas is a troll"

Just say the word and it's done.

You guys already give me all the validation I need.
Thank you.

[Blake]

You guys already give me all the validation I need.
Thank you.

further validation you're a coward.

[xmas1997]

further validation you're a coward.

I am not the one scared to go to a harmless fun GTG.

[silverblk mystix]

I am not the one scared to go to a harmless fun GTG.


In the interest of accuracy -

I would say he is not scared -


he is terrified!!!!!


:lmao:lmao

[RandomGuy]

Biology is evil.

http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1057/10579915/2580380-8064419256-23047.jpg

I see you have me the in the crushing group of reason.


You ask me if I would murder children if God asked me to do it. My answer is simple. God wouldn't ask me that so that is my answer.


It just so happens I know that biology wouldn't be evil, or ask me to do anything evil.

I win, you lose.

Again.

[RandomGuy]

Why is it immoral to kill a baby when a baby is just an animal in your eyes?

Because we have the capacity for reason and empathy, and therefore to truly understand the harm in killing infants.

Not really a hard concept to grasp.

I have given you some links to very short videos that explain this simply and concisely, and one of much greater length.

T7xt5LtgsxQ

Why you are scared or too lazy to watch them, I can only guess at.

[RandomGuy]

I don't. Your friend Rob said earlier that god doesn't perform miracles anymore. I'm asking him why that is since he also claims that god's plan is clear. He doesn't answer my questions though so I'm close to giving up on this.

Rob isn't really serious about most of his posts. That is the first rule of Rob Club

Second rule is that Rob isn't really serious about most of his posts.

Occasionally he will drop the troll schtick, and reveal the deeply flawed reasoning underneath.

[Shastafarian]

So he's just a troll? Why do you converse with him as though he's not?

[RandomGuy]

So I can quote you on that? You'd kill a baby?

He won't admit to it.

His excuse is that he knows the mind of God and that God "wouldn't" tell him to do it.

He has yet to say how he knows the mind of God.

Personally he is starting to sound like the kind of people that use "God told me to" in order to have the excuse to diddle 12 year old girls. ( http://fox13now.com/2014/07/20/warren-jeffs-to-utah-state-legislature-god-is-coming/ )

What worries me is that people who say they "know" God use that rationalization it for all sorts of immoral behavior.

[Shastafarian]

He won't admit to it.

His excuse is that he knows the mind of God and that God "wouldn't" tell him to do it.

He has yet to say how he knows the mind of God.

Personally he is starting to sound like the kind of people that use "God told me to" in order to have the excuse to diddle 12 year old girls. ( http://fox13now.com/2014/07/20/warren-jeffs-to-utah-state-legislature-god-is-coming/ )

What worries me is that people who say they "know" God use that rationalization it for all sorts of immoral behavior.

He kind of did admit to it when he claimed the slaughter of women and children in "biblical times" was okay because they're women and children, they would starve to death otherwise. HACK 'EM UP I SAY :rollin

[xmas1997]

I think we have a different definition of miracle. But thanks for at least attempting to answer the question. Your friend rob doesn't seem interested in doing anything other than ask the same questions over and over again, even when they have been answered.

What is your definition?

[Shastafarian]

an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

[RandomGuy]

He kind of did admit to it when he claimed the slaughter of women and children in "biblical times" was okay because they're women and children, they would starve to death otherwise. HACK 'EM UP I SAY :rollin

He has said that Gods relationship with the early jews is different than God's relationship with modern Christian.

It can be summarized as:

"God was an evil psychopath back then, but he is all better now".

A thin excuse to be sure, but most apologetics are.

[DisAsTerBot]

an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

damn, so no go for some old guy resigning in the midst of a world wide scandal?

... so close!

[Shastafarian]

damn, so no go for some old guy resigning in the midst of a world wide scandal?

... so close!

:lol

[Shastafarian]

He has said that Gods relationship with the early jews is different than God's relationship with modern Christian.

It can be summarized as:

"God was an evil psychopath back then, but he is all better now".

A thin excuse to be sure, but most apologetics are.

Well as long as god saw the err of his ways he's a-ok in my book :tu

[xmas1997]

:lmao
You guys are still interpreting the bible literally.

And I figured you would confine and limit miracles to something strictly supernatural.
But God has no such limitations, so IMHO a miracle can be practically anything, and as such my examples were apropos.
Or can you explain why there is childbirth, not how there is, but "what is the reason for it"?

[RandomGuy]

He answered my question - whether it was stupid to take things literally - when they weren't meant to be literal.


He said NO - it isn't stupid - confirming that yes - he is stupid.

Your question was a constrained one. You asked for a simple yes or no, when realistically one needed more information to effectively answer it.

A better answer:

No, if you can't tell what is supposed to be literal and what is figurative.

There are 40,000 different christian denominations, and all with differing opinions as to what is literal, and what is not in the bible.

Quite a few of them say it is all supposed to be taken literally.

Not giving a shit, I simply take them at their word, which is logical.

Since we are unable to really tell what is supposed to be taken literally and what is not, then we are left with assuming it all is, since that is the least ambiguous way of treating the material.

Not that you are interested in nuance, but thought I would clear it up for you.

[spurraider21]

i probably shouldn't get invovled, but...

:lmao
You guys are still interpreting the bible literally.
you'd be surprised... there are christians on this site do the same and defend it adamantly


And I figured you would confine and limit miracles to something strictly supernatural.
But God has no such limitations, so IMHO a miracle can be practically anything, and as such my examples were apropos.
god IS supernatural (if for the sake of argument we assume he exists). he is boundless, timeless, doesn't consist of matter, etc. any act of god would be considered miraculous and supernatural


Or can you explain why there is childbirth, not how there is, but "what is the reason for it"?
reproduction is the basis of any and all life. consider it the earliest form of natural selection. any species that ever came about and lacked the ability to reproduce went extinct pretty quickly :lol

this is akin to why many animals today instinctively protect their young. those species that didn't protect their young probably didnt last as long for obvious reasons. those that had the genetic instructions to do so survived

[Shastafarian]

ugh I don't have the energy to get into the propagation and survival of genes.

[RandomGuy]

:lmao
You guys are still interpreting the bible literally.

And I figured you would confine and limit miracles to something strictly supernatural.
But God has no such limitations, so IMHO a miracle can be practically anything, and as such my examples were apropos.
Or can you explain why there is childbirth, not how there is, but "what is the reason for it"?

(shrugs)

The bible was treated as being completely true and literal by most of its believers for most of its existence.

You can't really ding someone for taking others at their word when it comes to what they believe. We kinda have to.

Give me a listing of what is literal and what is not, then give me the criteria for each decision as to what is literal and what is not.

If it is all parable, then it is useless, or about as useful as looking for the divine in say, Edgar Allen Poe short stories.

[Shastafarian]

God inspired me to sign into spurstalk today and talk to everyone about god. BAM. Miracle.

[RandomGuy]

ugh I don't have the energy to get into the propagation and survival of genes.

You have to understand that Xmas is working his way back from an unsupported premise.

"god exists"

Building on this, he constructs all sorts of things as "evidence".

He will be honest to admit he doesn't have any evidence he can show you though. The evidence that supports his view of God is "within all of us".

"God exists, therefore we have meaning given to us by God."

Thoroughly circular, but hey, that is the way of God claims.

Really not trying for a distortion, merely as accurate as I can get. Sometimes the verbose explanations can be a bit hard to decipher.

[RandomGuy]

Lunch is up. Adios.

[xmas1997]

You have to understand that Xmas is working his way back from an unsupported premise.

"god exists"

Building on this, he constructs all sorts of things as "evidence".

He will be honest to admit he doesn't have any evidence he can show you though. The evidence that supports his view of God is "within all of us".

"God exists, therefore we have meaning given to us by God."

Thoroughly circular, but hey, that is the way of God claims.

Really not trying for a distortion, merely as accurate as I can get. Sometimes the verbose explanations can be a bit hard to decipher.

Actually, and more accurately, I am working my way back from the "unsupported" premise:

"God Does NOT Exist", because I was once an atheist.

But you get points for being partially right.

:lol

[Blake]

:lmao
You guys are still interpreting the bible literally.


You believe Jesus existed as the Bible says, so you're interpreting it literally.

[xmas1997]

You believe Jesus existed as the Bible says, so you're interpreting it literally.

You have no earthly idea what I believe simply because you never understand anything I say, and for that matter, anything that anyone says.
Otherwise you would have shut your piehole about it months ago thereby lessening how much of a fool you make of yourself.

[RD2191]

And why is murder wrong? In your eyes we are just animals are we not? Descendants of apes and such. Animals kill each other all the time. So why is it wrong?

[RD2191]

Answer the simple question.

[RD2191]

:wakeup

[spurraider21]

:wakeup
https://tapestry-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/scbs/2/c/f/2cf63b469f0bc12560b5faffd39ce3ea

[RD2191]

http://baby-recipes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/banana.jpg

[RD2191]

:wakeup:downspin:

[RD2191]

RG and shasta claim that killing animals is wrong and evil. I guess they're both evil since they eat animals that have been killed. Very simple.

[RD2191]

Because we have the capacity for reason and empathy, and therefore to truly understand the harm in killing infants.

Not really a hard concept to grasp.

I have given you some links to very short videos that explain this simply and concisely, and one of much greater length.

T7xt5LtgsxQ

Why you are scared or too lazy to watch them, I can only guess at.
Yawn, in your eyes humans are animals, so why is killing an animal evil? You're evil because you eat animals that have been killed. Simple really.

[RD2191]

:lolAtheists, humans are animals yet killing animals is evil even though biology insists we must kill other animals to survive. ROFL

[cantthinkofanything]

I'm not sure what the context of this is but I have been putting Jif on every fuckign desert I eat. I cannot stop. Last night I had some ice cream (Moolinium Crunch). I crunched up some Nutter Butter cookies on top of it. Then after a bite, I decided it needed a big ass scoop of peanut butter on it. I am going to be soooo fucking fat soon.


https://tapestry-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/scbs/2/c/f/2cf63b469f0bc12560b5faffd39ce3ea

[DisAsTerBot]

:lolAtheists, humans are animals yet killing animals is evil even though biology insists we must kill other animals to survive. ROFL

vegans survive without killing animals so im not so sure you can say "biology insists"

but i know you don't actually believe this shit you spew

[RD2191]

vegans survive without killing animals so im not so sure you can say "biology insists"

but i know you don't actually believe this shit you spew
RG said biology insists humans kill to survive. His words not mine.

[DisAsTerBot]

RG said biology insists humans kill to survive. His words not mine.

well shit, i dont even know why i read these threads. they are interesting for a bit until it gets circular. which is usually by the end of the first page

[Blake]

You have no earthly idea what I believe simply because you never understand anything I say, and for that matter, anything that anyone says.
Otherwise you would have shut your piehole about it months ago thereby lessening how much of a fool you make of yourself.

Ok, do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead as stated in the Bible?

Pretty sure you have said you do.

[cantthinkofanything]

well shit, i dont even know why i read these threads. they are interesting for a bit until it gets circular. which is usually by the end of the first page

lol. it's a sickness to be sure. when St. Jesus looks at my book of life, I'm going to be pretty damn embarrassed about my time spent on here instead of doing something...anything else.

[Blake]

Answer the simple question.

Because individual humans at some point got together and decided killing each other sucked and made laws against it in general......but then there are parts of society that are ok with killing other humans that break their laws, i.e. the death penalty.

"morals" can be very subjective.

You're stupid.

[RD2191]

Because individual humans at some point got together and decided killing each other sucked and made laws against it in general......but then there are parts of society that are ok with killing other humans that break their laws, i.e. the death penalty.

"morals" can be very subjective.

You're stupid.
Humans are animals? Right? So why is killing an animal wrong?

[Blake]

lol. it's a sickness to be sure. when St. Jesus looks at my book of life, I'm going to be pretty damn embarrassed about my time spent on here instead of doing something...anything else.

Our forefathers fought and died for us to have the freedom to waste time on messageboards.

[RD2191]

Our forefathers fought and died for us to have the freedom to waste time on messageboards.
Your evil forefathers who killed men, women and children?

[Blake]

Humans are animals? Right? So why is killing an animal wrong?

ok I'll go slower.

Morals = who gives a shit

Law = protect individuals in society

Retard.

[RD2191]

ok I'll go slower.

Morals = who gives a shit

Law = protect individuals in society

Retard.
That's not what I'm talking about. You atheists can't even answer a simple question. Why is it wrong to kill a human when a human is just an animal?

[RD2191]

:lol

[xmas1997]

Our forefathers fought and died for us to have the freedom to waste time on messageboards.

Something you are a pro at, wasting our time.
:lmao

[RD2191]

And the laws were different in Bible times and it was a time of war, so why was it wrong?

[Blake]

That's not what I'm talking about. You atheists can't even a simple question. Why is it wrong to kill a human when a human is just an animal?

yes it is what you're talking about.

In a vacuum, I don't give a shit if you kill someone else that I don't know. My only concern is that you might next kill me or someone I love.

That's one reason for the death penalty.

fuck you're stupid.

[spurraider21]

I'm not sure what the context of this is but I have been putting Jif on every fuckign desert I eat. I cannot stop. Last night I had some ice cream (Moolinium Crunch). I crunched up some Nutter Butter cookies on top of it. Then after a bite, I decided it needed a big ass scoop of peanut butter on it. I am going to be soooo fucking fat soon.


:lol game over atheists


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504

[RD2191]

yes it is what you're talking about.

In a vacuum, I don't give a shit if you kill someone else. My only concern is that you might next kill me or someone I love.

That's one reason for the death penalty.

fuck you're stupid.
That is not what I am talking about. How can someone claim that God is evil for ordering his people to kill in a time of war when people are just animals according to evolution? People kill animals to survive ever day. So the entire world is bad and evil?

[spurraider21]

That is not what I am talking about. How can someone claim that God is evil for ordering his people to kill in a time of war when people are just animals according to evolution? People kill animals to survive ever day. So the entire world is bad and evil?
of course it is. the entire animal kingdom only survives by ending other lives. cows kill grass :cry

[Blake]

That is not what I am talking about. How can someone claim that God is evil for ordering his people to kill in a time of war when people are just animals according to evolution? People kill animals to survive ever day. So the entire world is bad and evil?

Good and evil are human constructs.

But if killing is evil, then your hypocritical God is evil.

[xmas1997]

That is not what I am talking about. How can someone claim that God is evil for ordering his people to kill in a time of war when people are just animals according to evolution? People kill animals to survive ever day. So the entire world is bad and evil?

You do realize who you are asking these questions to? To blake.
Do you really think he knows anything about anything, and especially about a deep subject?
May as well ask a bag of rocks!
:lmao

[RD2191]

You do realize who you are asking these questions to? To blake.
Do you really thing he knows anything about anything, and especially about a deep subject?
May as well ask a bag of rocks!
:lmao
:lol

[RD2191]

Good and evil are human constructs.

But if killing is evil, then your hypocritical God is evil.
So then RG and shasta are also evil for eating animals that have been killed, thank you.

[spurraider21]

You do realize who you are asking these questions to? To blake.
Do you really think he knows anything about anything, and especially about a deep subject?
May as well ask a bag of rocks!
:lmao
^troll post

[spurraider21]

So then RG and shasta are also evil for eating animals that have been killed, thank you.
as he said (and i said), evil isn't some absolute thing like you make it out to be. its all a human idea, and each person has their own definitions of what is evil and what isn't.

[xmas1997]

^troll post

Link?

[RD2191]

as he said (and i said), evil isn't some absolute thing like you make it out to be. its all a human idea, and each person has their own definitions of what is evil and what isn't.
So then how can RG claim God is evil for killing humans when in his eyes humans are animals? By his standards he is also evil.

[cantthinkofanything]

Our forefathers fought and died for us to have the freedom to waste time on messageboards.

maybe...but I get this nagging feeling my time could be better spent elsewhere...or maybe not since I'm at work

[spurraider21]

So then how can RG claim God is evil for killing humans when in his eyes humans are animals? By his standards he is also evil.
what's wrong with that? i think he's challenging the notion of God being"above" humans as far as morality/love, etc

[RD2191]

what's wrong with that? i think he's challenging the notion of God being"above" humans as far as morality/love, etc
I doubt it, either way. He doesn't make any sense because how can a God that he doesn't believe in be evil?

[spurraider21]

I doubt it, either way. He doesn't make any sense because how can a God that he doesn't believe in be evil?
for the sake of argument, tbh. your belief in God is largely based on the notion that God isn't evil, i assume.

by accepting the premise of god and using excerpts from the bible, he is showing you that the god you believe (and the acts you believe he made) can be seen as evil. i argue about god all the time even though im not a believer

[RD2191]

for the sake of argument, tbh. your belief in God is largely based on the notion that God isn't evil, i assume.

by accepting the premise of god and using excerpts from the bible, he is showing you that the god you believe (and the acts you believe he made) can be seen as evil.
Not really, because I have clearly stated that the killing was done under certain circumstances. They were also different times. He just wants to paint God as some asshole murderer when in reality he has no basis for his claims.

[DisAsTerBot]

I doubt it, either way. He doesn't make any sense because how can a God that he doesn't believe in be evil?

seriously? he's obviously talking about bible god. he's not saying the bible doesn't exist

[xmas1997]

what's wrong with that? i think he's challenging the notion of God being"above" humans as far as morality/love, etc

In that case Rob has a point.
How can RG, or anyone for that matter, challenge any notion of God without first acknowledging that God is?
That would be silly.
Logically you would have to first believe in Him before you can challenge any notions of Him.
Otherwise it is equivalent to challenging the notion of what the comic book character Dennis the Menace thinks, for all the good it would do.

[Blake]

So then how can RG claim God is evil for killing humans when in his eyes humans are animals? By his standards he is also evil.

God says killing people is evil.

God killed people.

Therefore God is evil.

You don't do well on IQ tests do you.

[Blake]

In that case Rob has a point.
How can RG, or anyone for that matter, challenge any notion of God without first acknowledging that God is?
That would be silly.
Logically you would have to first believe in Him before you can challenge any notions of Him.
Otherwise it is equivalent to challenging the notion of what the comic book character Dennis the Menace thinks, for all the good it would do.

The discussion is based on Bible God, dumbass.

Belief in him is not necessary to say that the character of God in the Bible is evil.

[RD2191]

seriously? he's obviously talking about bible god. he's not saying the bible doesn't exist
I know he isn't. But he is saying a God he doesn't believe in is evil.

[RD2191]

God says killing people is evil.

God killed people.

Therefore God is evil.

You don't do well on IQ tests do you.
When did God say killing people was evil?

[xmas1997]

The discussion is based on Bible God, dumbass.

You don't understands "comparisons", do you?
That's what I thought.
But if you want to "confine" this discussion to bible God, then why are you even sticking your two cents in when everyone knows you are a few enchiladas short of a Mexican plate?

[Blake]

I know he isn't. But he is saying a God he doesn't believe in is evil.

The character in the Bible known as "God" is evil.

Smhlol

[RD2191]

In that case Rob has a point.
How can RG, or anyone for that matter, challenge any notion of God without first acknowledging that God is?
That would be silly.
Logically you would have to first believe in Him before you can challenge any notions of Him.
Otherwise it is equivalent to challenging the notion of what the comic book character Dennis the Menace thinks, for all the good it would do.
Very good points.

[Blake]

You don't understands "comparisons", do you?
That's what I thought.
But if you want to "confine" this discussion to bible God, then why are you even sticking your two cents in when everyone knows you are a few enchiladas short of a Mexican plate?

your one-liners are terrible

[Blake]

When did God say killing people was evil?

It's one of the Ten Commandments.

[RD2191]

The character in the Bible known as "God" is evil.

Smhlol
So, how is killing evil when himself said killing was necessary to survive?

[Blake]

So, how is killing evil when himself said killing was necessary to survive?

Wut

[RD2191]

It's one of the Ten Commandments.
So, God says thou shall not murder. There is a difference between killing and murdering.

[xmas1997]

The Sixth Commandment says: Thou shalt not kill.

[RD2191]

Wut
RG said killing was necessary to survive.

[Blake]

So, God says thou shall not murder. There is a difference between killing and murdering.

k, God "murdered" people too.

Fuck, I feel like I'm teaching 2nd grade Sunday School.

[xmas1997]

So, God says thou shall not murder. There is a difference between killing and murdering.

Correct and this is another reason not to trust "man's" interpretations of the bible especially since most men have an agenda, and because translating into various languages changes the interpretations even further.

[Blake]

RG said killing was necessary to survive.

since we don't need to kill other humans to survive, I'm sure you misunderstood him.

Either way, I don't care.

[RD2191]

k, God "murdered" people too.

Fuck, I feel like I'm teaching 2nd grade Sunday School.
When did God murder people?

[Blake]

Correct and this is another reason not to trust "man's" interpretations of the bible especially since most men have an agenda, and because translating into various languages changes the interpretations even further.

Man wrote the Bible.

No reason to trust any of it.

[RD2191]

since we don't need to kill other humans to survive, I'm sure you misunderstood him.

Either way, I don't care.
lol wut

[Blake]

When did God murder people?

The Flood.

Fuck, now it's kindergarten Sunday School.

[RD2191]

Correct and this is another reason not to trust "man's" interpretations of the bible especially since most men have an agenda, and because translating into various languages changes the interpretations even further.
Most translations are in agreement that it says murder and not kill.

[xmas1997]

k, God "murdered" people too.

Fuck, I feel like I'm teaching 2nd grade Sunday School.

So says the bag of rocks!
:lmao

And when you step on an ant, are you murdering an ant?

[Blake]

lol wut

Wut you need to kill humans to survive?

[RD2191]

The Flood.

Fuck, now it's kindergarten Sunday School.
How was killing people that did not follow the law murder? Geez man, you're a special kind of tard.

[Blake]

So says the bag of rocks!
:lmao

And when you step on an ant, are you murdering an ant?

fuck.

[Blake]

How was killing people that did not follow the law murder? Geez man, you're a special kind of tard.

so only adults were killed in the flood?

honest truth, you're retarded and lack critical thinking skills.

[RD2191]

so only adults were killed in the flood?

honest truth, you're retarded and lack critical thinking skills.
No, but under the circumstances it was okay and was not murder.

[xmas1997]

Most translations are in agreement that it says murder and not kill.

Most but not all.
Who's word are we going to trust to say which is the true interpretation.
If blake and his fellow buddies of trolls said they all believed that "murder" was the correct one, and a decent poster who had studied theology for years said it was "kill", then who would you tend to believe?
Or would you "believe" none of them?
Again, biblical "interpretation" by so many different men, religious sects, and by those whose sole agenda was to sell the most bibles, makes all this very suspect as to who has the true interpretation.

[spurraider21]

In that case Rob has a point.
How can RG, or anyone for that matter, challenge any notion of God without first acknowledging that God is?
That would be silly.
clearly you dont understand what arguments are

[spurraider21]

one of the 10 commandments says we can't work on sundays :lol

[ohmwrecker]

Serious question: Do you guys enjoy this thing that you have going on here?

[xmas1997]

Not to mention just all the interpretations by "men" with their own agendas to push, but one also has to consider whether or not it should be taken "literally" because who is telling us that it should be literal, and who is telling us that it is not, plus who is telling us that some is literal, and some is not?
All of these are the actions of "men" who have their own particular agendas they want others to accept blindly.

[RD2191]

How can an atheists claim that God is evil for killing humans when in their eyes humans are just animals. Atheists kill animals to eat every day, so atheists are evil?

[spurraider21]

Serious question: Do you guys enjoy this thing that you have going on here?
they dont call me Philo for nothing

[spurraider21]

How can an atheists claim that God is evil for killing humans when in their eyes humans are just animals. Atheists kill animals to eat every day, so atheists are evil?
to make the argument, they accept the premise that god exists, and that humans are different than the animals.. the point they make is that even in the christian image (god exists, made us, different than animals), god's will/actions could easily be seen as evil, in some cases

[ohmwrecker]

Magnets. How they work?

[RD2191]

to make the argument, they accept the premise that god exists, and that humans are different than the animals.
So in other words RG believes in God but hates him because he is evil?

[RD2191]

Magnets. How they work?
Fuck, I'm out.

[spurraider21]

So in other words RG believes in God but hates him because he is evil?
accepting a premise to make an argument =/= belief

i dont believe in god but i was arguing with you about god's perception of a day, when he rested, etc. clearly you understand the distinction

[ohmwrecker]

I'm sorry. I'll be serious now.

[RD2191]

Dat ebola though.

[Blake]

No, but under the circumstances it was okay and was not murder.

Lol under the circumstances.

basically God cared more about getting the animals on the ark than children.

God forbid he just snap his fingers and make more animals.

Or better yet, just not create evil in the first place.

Lol rob.

[xmas1997]

to make the argument, they accept the premise that god exists, and that humans are different than the animals.. the point they make is that even in the christian image (god exists, made us, different than animals), god's will/actions could easily be seen as evil, in some cases

Which brings us back to the argument of whether the bible is literal or if it is allegory.

[RD2191]

Lol under the circumstances.

basically God cared more about getting the animals on the ark than children.

God forbid he just snap his fingers and make more animals.

Or better yet, just not create evil in the first place.

Lol rob.
Humans are animals though in your eyes. So both were of equal value.

[spurraider21]

Which brings us back to the argument of whether the bible is literal or if it is allegory.
from what i gather, you don't take it literally, meaning you disagree with not only the non-believers such as myself (since you have faith to some degree, and i have none... but also believers like robdiaz who unlike you take it literally)

so which parts do you think are fake? genesis? christ? moses? noah?

[spurraider21]

Humans are animals though in your eyes. So both were of equal value.
he never said that. who decided that all animals are of "equal value?" and every individual can decide on his own what the "value" of each life is. heck not every human is of equal value, tbh

[RD2191]

he never said that. who decided that all animals are of "equal value?" and every individual can decide on his own what the "value" of each life is. heck not every human is of equal value, tbh
Who is he to make that call? According to his beliefs humans are a more evolved animal. Why is he giving one animal more value than another?

[RD2191]

In order for someone to claim God is evil for killing humans they must accept that humans are not animals. If that's the case then how can they believe in evolution?

[Blake]

Humans are animals though in your eyes. So both were of equal value.

who said all animals are equal?

your assuming that this is anyone's logic is retarded.

[spurraider21]

Who is he to make that call? According to his beliefs humans are a more evolved animal. Why is he giving one animal more value than another?
we aren't "more evolved" we're just more successfully evolved than others. new species have been born since human arrival, such as dogs.

and who are you to tell Blake how to evaluate value of life? everybody sees it differently. i imagine you find human life more valuable than a serial killer would, for example. everyone has their own "moral compass"

[RD2191]

we aren't "more evolved" we're just more successfully evolved than others. new species have been born since human arrival, such as dogs.

and who are you to tell Blake how to evaluate value of life? everybody sees it differently. i imagine you find human life more valuable than a serial killer would, for example. everyone has their own "moral compass"
Who is he to tell me God is evil?

[spurraider21]

Who is he to tell me God is evil?
well, if he asked a man to kill his child (even though he stopped Abraham before he actually went through with it, still fucked up imo to put him through that emotional dilemma which scarred him for life :lol), thats basically evil by any standards

[RD2191]

well, if he asked a man to kill his child (even though he stopped Abraham before he actually went through with it, still fucked up imo to put him through that emotional dilemma which scarred him for life :lol), thats basically evil by any standards
But why? Don't people kill animals all of the time? I'm pretty sure a cow doesn't want to die.

[spurraider21]

disclaimer: i dont believe in the story of god or abraham tbh, but notice how im just making an argument by accepting the premise. sorta like how we call fictional novel characters good/evil

[Blake]

In order for someone to claim God is evil for killing humans they must accept that humans are not animals. If that's the case then how can they believe in evolution?

Just awful logic

[RD2191]

Just awful logic
How so?

[spurraider21]

But why? Don't people kill animals all of the time? I'm pretty sure a cow doesn't want to die.
according to christianity, humans arent "just another animal" though. so in the scope of christianity, ordering someone to kill a human is very different.

[RD2191]

according to christianity, humans arent "just another animal" though. so in the scope of christianity, ordering someone to kill a human is very different.
But he isn't a Christian, he doesn't even believe in God, so how can he say God is evil? And how can he say God is evil for killing children when to him children are animals. He kills animals. So he is evil?

[spurraider21]

In order for someone to claim God is evil for killing humans they must accept that humans are not animals. If that's the case then how can they believe in evolution?
yeah, this is bad logic. neither blake or i believe in god (or at least the christian version). but we are demonstrating that IF the word of the bible is true, there are some very questionable actions on god's behalf which could very well paint him as evil.

[spurraider21]

But he isn't a Christian, he doesn't even believe in God, so how can he say God is evil? And how can he say God is evil for killing children when to him children are animals. He kills animals. So he is evil?
i dont believe the character of Agent Smith in the matrix is real... but i think he's evil

[RD2191]

yeah, this is bad logic. neither blake or i believe in god (or at least the christian version). but we are demonstrating that IF the word of the bible is true, there are some very questionable actions on god's behalf which could very well paint him as evil.
But in your eyes it isn't. So how can you claim God is evil if you don't believe in him? Either way, how can God be evil for killing when humans with or without God have killed for a very long time?

[spurraider21]

But in your eyes it isn't. So how can you claim God is evil if you don't believe in him? Either way, how can God be evil for killing when humans with or without God have killed for a very long time?


i dont believe the character of Agent Smith in the matrix is real... but i think he's evil

[Blake]

disclaimer: i dont believe in the story of god or abraham tbh, but notice how im just making an argument by accepting the premise. sorta like how we call fictional novel characters good/evil

you just want to believe the feel good parts of the Bible

[RD2191]

It's illogical. Even if the bible is just a story how can a person say God is evil for killing when humans have killed to survive since the beginning of time?

[spurraider21]

It's illogical. Even if the bible is just a story how can a person say God is evil for killing when humans have killed to survive since the beginning of time?
the bible holds humans on a different level than other animals. within that context, god is evil for killing innocent humans

[spurraider21]

you just want to believe the feel good parts of the Bible
you have no clue what you're talking about

[RD2191]

the bible holds humans on a different level than other animals. within that context, god is evil for killing innocent humans
Who said they were innocent?

[RD2191]

be back in a bit

[spurraider21]

Who said they were innocent?
you mean like the entirety of mankind during the great flood?

[RD2191]

You mean sinners who refused to follow Gods laws? And as a believer, God is the ultimate judge, so in my eyes God had reason to do what he did. Therefore God is not evil.

[spurraider21]

You mean sinners who refused to follow Gods laws? And as a believer, God is the ultimate judge, so in my eyes God had reason to do what he did. Therefore God is not evil.
i thought you said you aren't christian? :lol

[xmas1997]

from what i gather, you don't take it literally, meaning you disagree with not only the non-believers such as myself (since you have faith to some degree, and i have none... but also believers like robdiaz who unlike you take it literally)

so which parts do you think are fake? genesis? christ? moses? noah?

I never used the word "fake", you did.
Straw man alert.

[xmas1997]

well, if he asked a man to kill his child (even though he stopped Abraham before he actually went through with it, still fucked up imo to put him through that emotional dilemma which scarred him for life :lol), thats basically evil by any standards

Still taking literal interpretations and extrapolating from there I see.

[spurraider21]

I never used the word "fake", you did.
Straw man alert.
its implied. the book tells a specific story. you dont take it literally, meaning you dont take it as fact. if you dont take it as fact, then you take it as fiction. fiction = fake

[spurraider21]

Still taking literal interpretations and extrapolating from there I see.
so if God didn't literally tell abraham to kill his son... that would make the abraham story fake

[xmas1997]

its implied. the book tells a specific story. you dont take it literally, meaning you dont take it as fact. if you dont take it as fact, then you take it as fiction. fiction = fake

Straw man logic.
I take it as allegory.
"Fiction" and "fake" imply a hell of a lot more.

[spurraider21]

Straw man logic.
I take it as allegory.
"Fiction" and "fake" imply a hell of a lot more.
so did the event of God telling Abraham to kill his son happen, or is that event fiction? at least in your perspective/belief system. it either happened, or it did't happen. there's no gray area

[xmas1997]

so did the event of God telling Abraham to kill his son happen, or is that event fiction? at least in your perspective/belief system. it either happened, or it did't happen. there's no gray area

al·le·go·ry
noun \ˈa-lə-ˌgȯr-ē\

: a story in which the characters and events are symbols that stand for ideas about human life

It was allegorical, a story that was told to symbolize a deeper meaning or event, of an idea about human life back in those days.
You trying to make it fact or fiction is besides the issue of what it was meant to do.

[leemajors]

Allegory for what?

[spurraider21]

xmas1997,i just have a very simple question. not sure why you are spinning in circles over this. in a simple yes or no format, please answer the question.

According to you, and your belief system, did God actually come to Abraham and order that he kill his son? This is a biblical tale. Do you believe these events ACTUALLY occured, and thus are factual? Simple yes or no please.

[xmas1997]

xmas1997,i just have a very simple question. not sure why you are spinning in circles over this. in a simple yes or no format, please answer the question.

According to you, and your belief system, did God actually come to Abraham and order that he kill his son? This is a biblical tale. Do you believe these events ACTUALLY occured, and thus are factual? Simple yes or no please.

I believe they occurred "symbolically". Exactly how, when, what, and where is not what is important to the story. It is what the story "symbolized" that is important.
And since I wasn't there at the time, nor were you, nor any of us, what you are asking cannot be answered the way you want it answered, plus you are focusing on the wrong issues.

[xmas1997]

Allegory for what?

It is a symbolic story that is open for interpretation.
Thus there will be as many "interpretations" of that story as each person is capable of understanding.
If all you are capable of "getting" from the symbolism is a rudimentary childlike understanding, then that is all you will take away from it.
Others who are steeped in the lore and deeper knowledge will come away with a deeper more cohesive understanding.
This is allegory of a spiritual nature, not black and white science.
Allegory includes the "gray" areas , not simply the black and white, thus one of the reasons it is allegory.

[RD2191]

As a believer one accepts that God is the ultimate judge and ultimately decides who is good and evil and who gets to live. So as a believer one does not see God as evil.

[spurraider21]

I believe they occurred "symbolically". Exactly how, when, what, and where is not what is important to the story. It is what the story "symbolized" that is important.
And since I wasn't there at the time, nor were you, nor any of us, what you are asking cannot be answered the way you want it answered, plus you are focusing on the wrong issues.
blablabla. i'm not asking about symbolism. do you believe that in actuality, that God came to Abraham and told him to kill his son Isaac. yes or no. anything more than a 1 word answer just means you are dodging the question.

Do you believe that God (in reality/actuality, not symbolically or allegorically) came to Abraham and instruct him to kill his son? yes or no.

[pgardn]

I have never read a poster get bent in so many diff. Directions as the winter holiday guy.

[xmas1997]

Rob, you and I may not agree on, or even believe, everything the other says or believes, but we can at least discuss our differences without having to resort to making wild accusations, calling each other names, and are able to give due and proper respect for those differences in a civilized educated calm and sometimes witty and/or sarcastic manner.
It is what makes the world go around and leads in the end to deeper understandings, revelations of insight, and maybe even a consensus of opinion, even if that opinion is solely to be able to agree to be able to disagree.
That is called being a civil respectful mature adult about things IMHO.
And a few of us on here are able to do that, thank God.
The rest just want an excuse to troll because that is the extent of their abilities.
They haven't grown up yet and that is obvious.
I respect your beliefs.
I am also thankful you do your best to remain open minded, and that you probably triple check everything someone else asks you to believe, in the quiet recesses of your mind, so that God can reveal the truth to you there.
Like you always say, seek and you shall find.

[spurraider21]

i never called you a name. i asked you a yes or no question, and you have failed to provide a yes or no answer

[xmas1997]

blablabla. i'm not asking about symbolism. do you believe that in actuality, that God came to Abraham and told him to kill his son Isaac. yes or no. anything more than a 1 word answer just means you are dodging the question.

Do you believe that God (in reality/actuality, not symbolically or allegorically) came to Abraham and instruct him to kill his son? yes or no.


Answered that question already.
Would you prefer I use different words next time to help you with understanding my original answer?
This isn't that difficult, you know.



I have never read a poster get bent in so many diff. Directions as the winter holiday guy.


You think I am the one getting "bent"?
I have no idea where you get that from. I am merely answering questions posed to me in the best way possible.
I am in no way "upset" about anything.
I have already stated that this is a great thread and lots of fun to discuss, otherwise there would be no reason to stay in it.
I hope to "share" knowledge, and not get sidetracked by mundane trivial issues so that we can all maybe learn from each other.
So you might want to level your criticism to those who merit it, don't you think?

[pgardn]

i never called you a name. i asked you a yes or no question, and you have failed to provide a yes or no answer

You made a pretzel out of a poster.
And it was not complicated.

[xmas1997]

i never called you a name. i asked you a yes or no question, and you have failed to provide a yes or no answer

Straw man again.
I never said you called me a name.
Plus I answered your question.
Don't you realize yet that "symbolism" and "allegory" cannot be answered in the black and white, because it is primarily made up of the gray?
There are no yes and no answers when it comes to allegory.
You might "wish" there were, but you would be wasting your time.
Wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and tell me which will fill up faster.
:lmao