Why Havent We Signed Baynes - QO Question

[tholdren]

The title obviously, but what does the qualifying offer really do? Should we count on him returning?

[ChumpDumper]

If we haven't rescinded it, we should expect his being back.

[benefactor]

Wasn't the deadline to rescind yesterday?

[TheGoldStandard]

He's still on vacation and not thinking about the Spurs right now.. I think he's going to play for his national team too so he probably won't be committed to the Spurs til August sometime

[ChumpDumper]

He's still on vacation and not thinking about the Spurs right now.. I think he's going to play for his national team too so he probably won't be committed to the Spurs til August sometimeI imagine insurance issues may influence his signing before the tournament.

[TheGoldStandard]

I imagine insurance issues may influence his signing before the tournament.

I didn't even think about that, good point. He will be back though.

[xmas1997]

He is still in Australia last I heard.
I also haven't heard any rumors about the Spurs being worried, consequently I'm not.

[Richie]

Nobody will offer him anything in restricted free agency, expect him to sign the 1 year qualifying offer and be an unrestricted free agent next year.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I imagine insurance issues may influence his signing before the tournament.

I was hoping to hear something right before FIBA, as well.

[will_spurs]

Insurance might be the only deadline, actually. Apart from that, the Spurs can't rescind their offer, so Baynes can wait as long as he wants for other offers before signing. In other words, from now on he can only get richer.

[TheyCallMePro]

Right now it's a waiting game for another team to vie for his services. The Spurs have already indicated that they'll match any "reasonable" offer made to him from other teams, so that's keeping other teams away--pushing Baynes to go ahead and accept the 1 year qualifying offer, which of course, he'd rather not do.

I wish we'd just cut Baynes loose. He struggles on D and just isn't a polished offensive player by any measure. We'd be better off having an open roster spot and bringing someone like Cotton in to help in the back-up PG role while Patty is out, or to bringing in Thomas and seeing if he ever has a chance to make it with us. But I get it, Baynes is a good guy, and his connection as Patty's big brother and the toughness he brings to the team is something the Spurs want to hang onto. I just wish another team, like Philly and Brett Brown would get involved and take him off our hands guilt free.

[ironman2886]

Right now it's a waiting game for another team to vie for his services. The Spurs have already indicated that they'll match any "reasonable" offer made to him from other teams, so that's keeping other teams away--pushing Baynes to go ahead and accept the 1 year qualifying offer, which of course, he'd rather not do.

I wish we'd just cut Baynes loose. He struggles on D and just isn't a polished offensive player by any measure. We'd be better off having an open roster spot and bringing someone like Cotton in to help in the back-up PG role while Patty is out, or to bringing in Thomas and seeing if he ever has a chance to make it with us. But I get it, Baynes is a good guy, and his connection as Patty's big brother and the toughness he brings to the team is something the Spurs want to hang onto. I just wish another team, like Philly and Brett Brown would get involved and take him off our hands guilt free. Baynes is the big dog to throw out there against big teams. He's ok off the bench. Daye and Ayres should be cut loose.

[Biernutz]

Would like to see Banger back with us. I am surprised that the Mav's didn't sign him as they
pick up on some of our former big's. (Blair, Mahinmi )

[TheGreatYacht]

Jim Boylen

[jeebus]

Right now it's a waiting game for another team to vie for his services. The Spurs have already indicated that they'll match any "reasonable" offer made to him from other teams, so that's keeping other teams away--pushing Baynes to go ahead and accept the 1 year qualifying offer, which of course, he'd rather not do.

I wish we'd just cut Baynes loose. He struggles on D and just isn't a polished offensive player by any measure. We'd be better off having an open roster spot and bringing someone like Cotton in to help in the back-up PG role while Patty is out, or to bringing in Thomas and seeing if he ever has a chance to make it with us. But I get it, Baynes is a good guy, and his connection as Patty's big brother and the toughness he brings to the team is something the Spurs want to hang onto. I just wish another team, like Philly and Brett Brown would get involved and take him off our hands guilt free.
This is a thread about Baynes, not Ayres or Daye.

[Plum Island]

Jim Boylen
Ha ha ha!

[cd021]

Right now it's a waiting game for another team to vie for his services. The Spurs have already indicated that they'll match any "reasonable" offer made to him from other teams, so that's keeping other teams away--pushing Baynes to go ahead and accept the 1 year qualifying offer, which of course, he'd rather not do.

I wish we'd just cut Baynes loose. He struggles on D and just isn't a polished offensive player by any measure. We'd be better off having an open roster spot and bringing someone like Cotton in to help in the back-up PG role while Patty is out, or to bringing in Thomas and seeing if he ever has a chance to make it with us. But I get it, Baynes is a good guy, and his connection as Patty's big brother and the toughness he brings to the team is something the Spurs want to hang onto. I just wish another team, like Philly and Brett Brown would get involved and take him off our hands guilt free.

I agree. I am not sold on his talent like ST is and kind of hope some team goes and gives him $5 million over two years to give the spurs an out. Rather sign someone else or leave it open.

[cd021]

Baynes is the big dog to throw out there against big teams. He's ok off the bench. Daye and Ayres should be cut loose.

him and Ayers weren't that far apart in terms of production only perception. Its not like the Spurs are going to pay $2.8 to 2 players to leave the team. He isn't much of an asset against against teams like Memphis. He fouls a ton, can't space the floor or defend like Diaw or Splitter and can't pass like either of them. Thats an odd reason to keep a player on a roster nowadays. Its not like Shaq is 27 and terrorizing the NBA again.

[bob bass sucks]

WE TOOK CARE OF BOONER ASAP

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Insurance might be the only deadline, actually. Apart from that, the Spurs can't rescind their offer, so Baynes can wait as long as he wants for other offers before signing. In other words, from now on he can only get richer.

This.

He'll be back. He's basically our 4th big now, so I don't think we'll let him walk unless another team offers over about $3mil. Even then we might trump whatever they offer as a 1yr deal.

[bigfan]

Anyone heard anything on Baynes yet?

[Russo21]

Fuck knows. It's good fun watching Baynes terrorise others and knock them to the hardwood. Ayres on the other hand, I cringe anytime he is on the court. Keep Baynes, get rid of Ayres, no point keeping both around.

[exstatic]

The ball is in Aron's court. The Spurs can't force him to sign their offer.

[Obstructed_View]

Aron's having fun at home. He'll come back and sign the contract and bob's yer uncle.

That's an Aussie thing, right?

[BillMc]

I'd like to see Baynes back for sentimental reasons, even if I know it doesn't stack up logically or skill-wise. I'd say its good karma to bring everyone back for ring night, and I really do like that he ended Howard's career in LA!

[TampaDude]

I'd like to see Baynes back for sentimental reasons, even if I know it doesn't stack up logically or skill-wise. I'd say its good karma to bring everyone back for ring night, and I really do like that he ended Howard's career in LA!

^ this

He's a brute strength banger we can use to frustrate the other team's bigs.

[DesignatedT]

I think he's actually pretty valuable considering Duncan's age and Splitters injury history.

[Dex]

I think he's actually pretty valuable considering Duncan's age and Splitters injury history.

And the fact that our alternatives are Errors or 4th-Big-Bonner.

[daslicer]

Baynes is a good hatchet man to have on this team. He's great for 6 hard fouls and physical play. I remember against OKC Baynes was useful to counter Adam's dirt cheapshots. Baynes got him a few times with some hard elbows,screen, and fouls. Baynes will be good to use against teams like the Rockets,Clippers,Blazers. All three teams have bigs in which Baynes can be used to give out hard fouls.

[wildcardX]

If Baynes signs would all the roster spots be filled? What happens if the Spurs find someone in training camp that they may need to maybe fill the PG spot until Mills returns or someone to back up Kawhi at SF? Would they cut a player already signed to open a roster spot?

[jeebus]

Aron's having fun at home. He'll come back and sign the contract and bob's yer uncle.

That's an Aussie thing, right?
The nig is probably doing FIBA shit with the Aussie squad. Last I heard, his agent was handling all his RFA shit. They're probably looking for more money, which isn't surprising imho

[EVAY]

Fuck knows. It's good fun watching Baynes terrorise others and knock them to the hardwood. Ayres on the other hand, I cringe anytime he is on the court. Keep Baynes, get rid of Ayres, no point keeping both around.

Seems reasonable to me.

[TD 21]

him and Ayers weren't that far apart in terms of production only perception. Its not like the Spurs are going to pay $2.8 to 2 players to leave the team. He isn't much of an asset against against teams like Memphis. He fouls a ton, can't space the floor or defend like Diaw or Splitter and can't pass like either of them. Thats an odd reason to keep a player on a roster nowadays. Its not like Shaq is 27 and terrorizing the NBA again.

Good post. I don't get the obsession over him either. That said, I'd give him the edge over Ayres, because he's slightly bigger and stronger, has slightly better hands and plays with more confidence. Either way, I don't really care though, so long as one goes, since they're redundant.

Neither is good enough to be a consistent rotation player, particularly for a team of this caliber. It's not going to happen, but I'd give strong consideration to starting Diaw full time and giving Daye a shot at being the fourth big early on. Obviously, he's not Diaw, in terms of making plays off the dribble, but he's shown a proclivity for doing so all the same.

[exstatic]

If Baynes signs would all the roster spots be filled? What happens if the Spurs find someone in training camp that they may need to maybe fill the PG spot until Mills returns or someone to back up Kawhi at SF? Would they cut a player already signed to open a roster spot?

No one from training camp will be better than any of our 15 players once Baynes signs. There will be no training camp surprises. No one on a fully guaranteed deal will be cut.

[cd021]

Good post. I don't get the obsession over him either. That said, I'd give him the edge over Ayres, because he's slightly bigger and stronger, has slightly better hands and plays with more confidence. Either way, I don't really care though, so long as one goes, since they're redundant.

Neither is good enough to be a consistent rotation player, particularly for a team of this caliber. It's not going to happen, but I'd give strong consideration to starting Diaw full time and giving Daye a shot at being the fourth big early on. Obviously, he's not Diaw, in terms of making plays off the dribble, but he's shown a proclivity for doing so all the same.

Baynes on a cheap one year deal isn't bad. Its having both Ayers and Baynes on a packed roster that doesn't make much since, to me at least.

I'd would hope the Spurs pawn off Ayers along with an unprotected pick 2016 2nd round pick to a bad team (the most likely to take such a deal).

I'd be in favor of starting Diaw with the benefit of having Splitter off the bench. Splitter would allow the Spurs to experimenting with various lineups.

Josheph-Belinelli-Ginobili-Anderson-Splitter

Daye would have a better chance of receiving at minutes at PF with Splitter there to crash the glass and protect the paint.

Hopefully he could develop into a very poor mans Channing Frye.


I think Anderson could play at PF and some small forward. He's 6'8 1/2 in shoes with a massive 7'2 1/2 wingspan. He is listed at 230 (same weight as Bonner and a bit more compact because he's shorter)

It would be less likely if Diaw is off the bench that either would play extended minutes at the PF.


Parker-Green-Leonard-Diaw-Duncan should fare better defensive

The Spurs starting unit last seasons was great defensively but struggled offensively.

With Diaw back in the starting unit they could be a more balanced unit.

(the closing unit of Parker-Ginobili-Leonard-Diaw and Duncan were fantastic offensively but weren't very good defensively.)

Diaw versatility with his ability to shoot the 3 and post up along with his passing ability.

[dabom]

Baynes on a cheap one year deal isn't bad. Its having both Ayers and Baynes on a packed roster that doesn't make much since, to me at least.

I'd would hope the Spurs pawn off Ayers along with an unprotected pick 2016 2nd round pick to a bad team (the most likely to take such a deal).

I'd be in favor of starting Diaw with the benefit of having Splitter off the bench. Splitter would allow the Spurs to experimenting with various lineups.

Josheph-Belinelli-Ginobili-Anderson-Splitter

Daye would have a better chance of receiving at minutes at PF with Splitter there to crash the glass and protect the paint.

Hopefully he could develop into a very poor mans Channing Frye.


I think Anderson could play at PF and some small forward. He's 6'8 1/2 in shoes with a massive 7'2 1/2 wingspan. He is listed at 230 (same weight as Bonner and a bit more compact because he's shorter)

It would be less likely if Diaw is off the bench that either would play extended minutes at the PF.


Parker-Green-Leonard-Diaw-Duncan should fare better defensive

The Spurs starting unit last seasons was great defensively but struggled offensively.

With Diaw back in the starting unit they could be a more balanced unit.

(the closing unit of Parker-Ginobili-Leonard-Diaw and Duncan were fantastic offensively but weren't very good defensively.)

Diaw versatility with his ability to shoot the 3 and post up along with his passing ability.

Diaw ain't going to start the season. Splitter is still the starting center.

[dabom]

I mean Houston and dallas and the grizz and the pelicans run 2 big bigs all the time. I haven't seen Diaw play particularly good vs our division rivals.

[cd021]

Diaw ain't going to start the season. Splitter is still the starting center.

I know. TD21 mentioned that he'd prefer Diaw to start and I agreed.

[dabom]

I know. TD21 mentioned that he'd prefer Diaw to start and I agreed.

oh

[cd021]

I mean Houston and dallas and the grizz and the pelicans run 2 big bigs all the time. I haven't seen Diaw play particularly good vs our division rivals.

What? Terrance Jones-Howard, Davis-Asik, and Dirk and Chandler don't compare to Gasol and Randolph in terms of physicality.

Jones got abused by Diaw in a game last year and he'd be a better to defend Jones than Splitter was. Duncan is probably the best D12 defender in the NBA.

Davis isn't a major post up threat and gets a chunk of his points off pick and rolls Diaw can certainly guard him.

Splitter is a better defender against Dirk but Diaw is solid as well. Chandler is a pretty mediocre offensive big man. If he isn't dunking the ball he probably isn't going to score.

Only Memphis would pose a problem, and Splitter could start in those games. The league is pretty small now, Diaw started 79 games over 2 1/2 seasons with the Spurs and the team was successful. The Spurs had probably the 2nd or 3rd biggest starting big man tandem last season after Gasol and Randolph and probably ahead of Perkins and Ibaka.

Diaw averaged 8 ppg, 4.5 rpg and 2 assists in 24 mpg in 16 games vs. the Southwest Division, not bad considering most of those games came off the bench .

The Spur defense with Parker-Ginobili-Leonard-Diaw-Duncan isn't very good but would be better with Green subbed in for Ginobili. The offense would probably be better due to Diaws floor spacing.

[Chinook]

Nobody will offer him anything in restricted free agency, expect him to sign the 1 year qualifying offer and be an unrestricted free agent next year.

Opened this thread for the first time. I skimmed all the posts to see if this was already addressed, but I may have missed something. If Baynes signs his QO, he should be restricted again next year. Next year would only be his third accrued season.

[ChumpDumper]

You're only restricted once.

[heyheymymy]

kind of off topic, but what would you rank baynes' overall in nba 2k15? 71?

[cd021]

kind of off topic, but what would you rank baynes' overall in nba 2k15? 71?

They are usualy pretty stingy probably in the 60's like 63

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Baynes is the big dog to throw out there against big teams. He's ok off the bench. Daye and Ayres should be cut loose.

At this point I think Splitter has shown that he is best guarding opposing 4s. His actually somewhat elite at it between his post and pnr defense.

Splitter is not very good defender against truly powerful 5s like Howard and Gasol. He is best suited dealing with LA and Dirk types.

Baynes would actually need to get a reliable jumper and not just nice form to play with Splitter but he can play the 5. Splitter is better in his rotations but when Baynes is in position, he is a better rim protector because of his hops and long arms. Outside of Duncan, Baynes is our best rim protector.

[Mel_13]

You're only restricted once.

If Baynes signs the QO, he'll be an RFA again next summer:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q47

[ChumpDumper]

If Baynes signs the QO, he'll be an RFA again next summer:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q47I stand corrected. Thanks.

[TD 21]

Baynes on a cheap one year deal isn't bad. Its having both Ayers and Baynes on a packed roster that doesn't make much since, to me at least.

I'd would hope the Spurs pawn off Ayers along with an unprotected pick 2016 2nd round pick to a bad team (the most likely to take such a deal).

I'd be in favor of starting Diaw with the benefit of having Splitter off the bench. Splitter would allow the Spurs to experimenting with various lineups.

Josheph-Belinelli-Ginobili-Anderson-Splitter

Daye would have a better chance of receiving at minutes at PF with Splitter there to crash the glass and protect the paint.

Hopefully he could develop into a very poor mans Channing Frye.


I think Anderson could play at PF and some small forward. He's 6'8 1/2 in shoes with a massive 7'2 1/2 wingspan. He is listed at 230 (same weight as Bonner and a bit more compact because he's shorter)

It would be less likely if Diaw is off the bench that either would play extended minutes at the PF.


Parker-Green-Leonard-Diaw-Duncan should fare better defensive

The Spurs starting unit last seasons was great defensively but struggled offensively.

With Diaw back in the starting unit they could be a more balanced unit.

(the closing unit of Parker-Ginobili-Leonard-Diaw and Duncan were fantastic offensively but weren't very good defensively.)

Diaw versatility with his ability to shoot the 3 and post up along with his passing ability.

Exactly. Ayres and Baynes are redundant and four centers and seven bigs is completely unnecessary.

The only possible trade I can think of, is Ayres and cash for Teague. They went with Gutierrez as the third PG down the stretch last season and need another big, so this would get them out of potentially having to eat Teague's guaranteed contract, plus plug a hole. Meanwhile, the Spurs would avoid a potential (however likely it is) minor embarrassment of releasing a player on a guaranteed contract that they signed and could have Teague battle Cotton to make the team.

Despite similar listings to Bonner, Anderson's not nearly as strong and I seriously doubt he could play PF on a full time basis. It's doubtful in Daye's case too, but the difference is, that's his only chance. He's also a better shooter at this point.

Splitter backing up Duncan would mean at least one is on the floor at all times, plus more rest for Duncan. In certain match-ups, they could still start Splitter though.

[Yuixafun]

It's good to have an Enforcer or 2 on the team.

I could see teams trying just to physically beat on the Spurs in lieu of the skills to match...

We're too smart for that, but still...

[cd021]

Exactly. Ayres and Baynes are redundant and four centers and seven bigs is completely unnecessary.

The only possible trade I can think of, is Ayres and cash for Teague. They went with Gutierrez as the third PG down the stretch last season and need another big, so this would get them out of potentially having to eat Teague's guaranteed contract, plus plug a hole. Meanwhile, the Spurs would avoid a potential (however likely it is) minor embarrassment of releasing a player on a guaranteed contract that they signed and could have Teague battle Cotton to make the team.

Despite similar listings to Bonner, Anderson's not nearly as strong and I seriously doubt he could play PF on a full time basis. It's doubtful in Daye's case too, but the difference is, that's his only chance. He's also a better shooter at this point.

Splitter backing up Duncan would mean at least one is on the floor at all times, plus more rest for Duncan. In certain match-ups, they could still start Splitter though.

I was thinking Ayers for Mbah Moute unfortunately the salaries don't match without including Daye. Roster spots are scarce on the Wolves. They are going to have 15 with Wiggins and Bennett.

If i'm not mistaken though, The Wolves would receive a trade exception for 4.7 million from the Love deal.

That would be a pretty good move. Mbah Moute is an athletic 6'7 SF who is known for his defense and can board.

He doesn't play at all for Minny and is on an expiring deal of $4.3 million. He could give us an end of bench defender and more depth at SF.

[TD 21]

I was thinking Ayers for Mbah Moute unfortunately the salaries don't match without including Daye. Roster spots are scarce on the Wolves. They are going to have 15 with Wiggins and Bennett.

If i'm not mistaken though, The Wolves would receive a trade exception for 4.7 million from the Love deal.

That would be a pretty good move. Mbah Moute is an athletic 6'7 SF who is known for his defense and can board.

He doesn't play at all for Minny and is on an expiring deal of $4.3 million. He could give us an end of bench defender and more depth at SF.

Though he's more of an SF defensively, he can't shoot a lick, which means he'd be of no use on this team, since they don't play non shooting wings.

I agree that a depth wing defender with his physical tools makes sense, but they can get that off the scrap heap, for the minimum, at any time.

[ismael-robert]

Baynes hoping to put on show in Olympics with actual playing time and raise his stock

[ElNono]

Weird he hasn't made up his mind yet. Normally players try to get their contract situation done before the Olympics/Worlds, so they can get a proper contract value for the required insurance.

There's still two weeks to go until the Worlds start, so there's still time.

[venitian navigator]

Weird he hasn't made up his mind yet. Normally players try to get their contract situation done before the Olympics/Worlds, so they can get a proper contract value for the required insurance.

There's still two weeks to go until the Worlds start, so there's still time.

At this point is probable that he wants to use the world cup as a way to show his value and then get more money.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Weird he hasn't made up his mind yet. Normally players try to get their contract situation done before the Olympics/Worlds, so they can get a proper contract value for the required insurance.

There's still two weeks to go until the Worlds start, so there's still time.

After the finals I heard/read a quote from him that sounded as if he was unhappy with his situation, playing time and/or money. Of all the players I listened to, he seemed the most discontent with that single statement. It led me to believe he really would seek greener pastures, but it was nothing difinitive in what he said. It just had a more somber tone. He may just have to come to terms with the idea that someone else besides him needs to think (edit) he's worth more money or more playing time, as he's been on the open market for a while and no one seems to be throwing any money at him.

[exstatic]

At this point is probable that he wants to use the world cup as a way to show his value and then get more money.

Doubtful. He'd have to pay his own insurance, or he'd be on his own if injured.

There's just no percentage for him to sign one second before he has to. He doesn't gain anything by doing so. He can sign the QO any time. The Spurs can't withdraw it now without his permission.

[Ice009]

I'm pretty sure that I've said this before, but how happy would you be if Ayres is making more money than you and you played a bigger role on the team? Maybe that is what Aron is thinking? Baynes made a little bit of a difference in some of the playoff minutes he got. Sure, the minutes were scarce, but he mostly did help in the court time he got IMO. I don't recall Ayres doing anything expect playing garbage time minutes in the playoffs.

Why wouldn't the Spurs pay him a little bit more money and resign him for just one season and see how it goes? If it's a choice between him and Ayres, I would let Ayres go. I agree with the people that say we don't need both, but I wouldn't let Aron go just because you don't want to eat Ayres' contract. The Spurs are the ones that fucked up with that signing, that's not Aron's fault.

[exstatic]

I'm pretty sure that I've said this before, but how happy would you be if Ayres is making more money than you and you played a bigger role on the team? Maybe that is what Aron is thinking? Baynes made a little bit of a difference in some of the playoff minutes he got. Sure, the minutes were scarce, but he mostly did help in the court time he got IMO. I don't recall Ayres doing anything expect playing garbage time minutes in the playoffs.

Why wouldn't the Spurs pay him a little bit more money and resign him for just one season and see how it goes? If it's a choice between him and Ayres, I would let Ayres go. I agree with the people that say we don't need both, but I wouldn't let Aron go just because you don't want to eat Ayres' contract. The Spurs are the ones that fucked up with that signing, that's not Aron's fault.

Spurstalk meme. Ayres PER was 11.1. Bayne's was 9.7. Aron really isn't any better than 'Errors'.

[Ice009]

Spurstalk meme. Ayres PER was 11.1. Bayne's was 9.7. Aron really isn't any better than 'Errors'.

He is a bigger body that can at least hold his ground and bang against the bigger centers in the NBA, something Ayres cannot do.

So you're telling me that you'd rather have Ayres?

[exstatic]

He is a bigger body that can at least hold his ground and bang against the bigger centers in the NBA, something Ayres cannot do.

So you're telling me that you'd rather have Ayres?
Right now it's pretty much a coin flip. If he gets better at catching the ball, it's not even a discussion. They both play off the bench and there just aren't that many big bangers off peoples benches. I'll also tell you that there is no way in hell that the Spurs eat Ayres $1.75M before Daye or Baynes deals.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Ayres is indeed a poor catcher and finisher but he does things that are useful for the Spurs - a good screen setter, very mobile and useful as a P&R defender. Those are not bad attributes for a 4th-5th big.

Baynes, OTOH, is physical, a banger and is visibly useful. But he is also a bad finisher and not a rim protector (better as a post defender). He is still a 3rd-4th big and not much better and is best used situationally. Ideally, the Spurs will be better off getting both of them back as insurance bench players available for a low cost.

[jeebus]

Det Nigga is doing well in FIBA play tbh, even though it was a loss.

http://www.basketball.net.au/airbnb-boomers-suffer-overtime-loss-finland/

[wildcardX]

With Jamychal Green and Cotton signed do they even still have a roster spot to bring back Baynes? Or are those two guys just signed to D-league contracts?

[exstatic]

With Jamychal Green and Cotton signed do they even still have a roster spot to bring back Baynes? Or are those two guys just signed to D-league contracts?

They're signed to NBA contracts with VERY small guarantees, just enough to get them into OUR camp, so when they get cut, they become Toros property.

[cd021]

Ayres is indeed a poor catcher and finisher but he does things that are useful for the Spurs - a good screen setter, very mobile and useful as a P&R defender. Those are not bad attributes for a 4th-5th big.

Baynes, OTOH, is physical, a banger and is visibly useful. But he is also a bad finisher and not a rim protector (better as a post defender). He is still a 3rd-4th big and not much better and is best used situationally. Ideally, the Spurs will be better off getting both of them back as insurance bench players available for a low cost.

:tu solid post

It would be nice if either develops into a 15 mpg 4th big man.

Both have solid attributes but are still rough around the edges.

[TampaDude]

Det Nigga is doing well in FIBA play tbh, even though it was a loss.

http://www.basketball.net.au/airbnb-boomers-suffer-overtime-loss-finland/

Wow...22 and 11 on 10-11 shooting. Ballin'!

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Baynes hoping to put on show in Olympics with actual playing time and raise his stock

He has to wait two more years then. Would it be best if he just signed the QO and do that next season.

[ron235]

Aron Baynes was the star for the Australians, finishing with a game-high 22 points on a remarkable 10-of-11 shooting to go with 11 rebounds in 25 minutes.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/boomers-downed-by-finland-ahead-of-world-cup-20140813-103g06.html#ixzz3AKgF2is8

Efficient performance by Baynes.

[Ice009]

How good is Finland? Would they be better than an NBA Summer League team? If so, I think you can see where I am going with this.

[Maddog]

How good is Finland? Would they be better than an NBA Summer League team? If so, I think you can see where I am going with this.


List of NBA players from Finland

Hanno Möttölä C 2000–2002

Total Population of Finland
5.5 million

[jag]

Dante Exum - 10 pts

Against Finland

[bigfan]

What is the drop dead date on Bayne's QO?

[FireMicoHalili]

who's going to bash skulls with Steven Adams next year if he doesn't come back, Ayres?

[ElNono]

Dante Exum - 10 pts

Against Finland

Yeah, that caught my eye too... det core though... :lol

[Raven]

How good is Finland? Would they be better than an NBA Summer League team? If so, I think you can see where I am going with this.

very very bad, especially from a big point of view. They have great 3 shooting but under the rim they are pathetic.

[ismael-robert]

Think training camp is deadline. cowboys if he gets higher offers now due to his play he can force spurs hand or else he goes to another team with better contract

[exstatic]

Think training camp is deadline. cowboys if he gets higher offers now due to his play he can force spurs hand or else he goes to another team with better contract

I they'll let him go if he gets anything much more than the QO. I'd put the ceiling at $2M, and they might not even match that if it's multi-year. He's not a real prospect, and I think the Spurs, while determined to bring the band back, aren't in love with him.

[SupremeGuy]

I can't believe we're going to keep Errors and let Baynes walk... that would be incredibly dumb.

[Ice009]

I can't believe we're going to keep Errors and let Baynes walk... that would be incredibly dumb.

That's what I think too. At least Baynes can be an enforcer out there too (if needed). I also like him being able to play some minutes on other bigs like Dwight Howard, Steven Adams etc. An example is Tony Massenburg, I would have loved to have had Tony Massenburg back in 2006, I think he would have been great in the Dallas series to rough some people up when the refs were calling touch fouls, left, right and center. IMO I think the Spurs really did lack an enforcer on that 2006 team. I think they've lacked a good enforcer for a long time.

[will_spurs]

Spurstalk meme. Ayres PER was 11.1. Bayne's was 9.7. Aron really isn't any better than 'Errors'.

Sorry but this tiny difference in PER doesn't pass the eye test, especially when you consider the guy with higher PER is playing even more garbage minutes than the other.

As others have mentioned, I can remember some times when Baynes entered the game in the playoffs and it made a difference (esp. against OKC). I can't even remember Ayres on the court in the playoffs.

[DesignatedT]

Every other screen Ayres sets is an illegal screen.

[eDizzle20]

I can't believe we're going to keep Errors and let Baynes walk... that would be incredibly dumb.

At this point the Spurs are probably holding onto Ayres as a potential expiring contract for a midseason trade. His contract is guaranteed anyway so there's no point in cutting him. The last roster spot is open in case Cotton or Green wows in the preseason.

[Fireball]

I do not want to lose the Big Banger ...

[ron235]

14pts & 12rebs in a win over the Ukraine

http://www.basketball.net.au/broekhoff-inspires-win-airbnb-boomers-ukraine-win/

[will_spurs]

Not sure how a QO works: could a player sign one while being injured? Or is it automatically rescinded if said player gets injured?

Otherwise it'd make sense for him to play for his NT to try to get a better contract, and even if injured he could always sign the QO.

[SupremeGuy]

I'm not worried about another NBA team picking him up, I'm worried that some damn euro team will, tbh.

[exstatic]

Not sure how a QO works: could a player sign one while being injured? Or is it automatically rescinded if said player gets injured?

Otherwise it'd make sense for him to play for his NT to try to get a better contract, and even if injured he could always sign the QO.
I would think that since it puts the Spurs on a guarantee hook, he would have to get insurance, or that they could rescind in case of injury.

[tholdren]

is he even on our team?

[ElNono]

Would love Aron back... any news on this?

[Darius Bieber]

He appears to be removed from the roster on Wikipedia... Whatever that means.

[exstatic]

He appears to be removed from the roster on Wikipedia... Whatever that means.

Probably means his camp appearance and exhibition play without signing was a bluff. I think he either signs the QO now, or drops off the Aussie team.

[Birn]

He's not on the roster because technically he's not under contract. Because he's restricted, Baynes needs to earn an offer sheet from another team to present to the Spurs to see if they would match. The Spurs have said they would match any reasonable offer. Most teams aren't going to waste their time making him an offer sheet knowing the Spurs will probably match. That's the disadvantage of being restricted. It's up to Baynes to get an offer before the Spurs will begin negotiating. The same is true for most RFA's like Monroe, Bledsoe, and others. If Baynes were unrestricted, it would be a completely different story. He would be attractive to a lot of teams. Most likely he will sign the QO and play the next season then become an unrestricted FA. The QO is available up until the start of training camp but the Spurs can extend it to a later date if they wish. Unless he has a breakout MVP performance in the world cup, I don't see any other teams making him an offer that wouldn't be matched by the Spurs. It would be risky for Baynes to let the QO deadline pass since most other teams already have their rosters set by training camp and won't be looking to add anymore sizable contracts. It would be very surprising if he didn't take the QO since he won a championship with us and is very familiar with our system and all the players. There's no way he would want to go to another team that he doesn't know and probably won't be as successful as the Spurs. It's just a smart business move for him to wait and see if a decent offer comes his way. I'm not concerned about him leaving. I'm confident he'll be on the roster next season.

[ChumpDumper]

He's not on the team currently. All he has to do is take the qualifying offer or sign an offer sheet with another team. It is possible he has a deal worked out in principle but the nba team doesn't want to sign him while he is playing fiba.

[elemento]

Baynes just punked the French team right now. Easily Australia's best player of the match. 21 points and 9 rebounds.

[jeebus]

Baynes just punked the French team right now. Easily Australia's best player of the match. 21 points and 9 rebounds.
It'll be a real shame if we don't sign him and we're stuck with The Faggot Duo of Daye and Ayres.

[tholdren]

It'll be a real shame if we don't sign him and we're stuck with The Faggot Duo of Daye and Ayres.

True.

He probably knows he's coming back, already discussed with FO and playing with his country with no worries.

[Chinook]

Baynes just punked the French team right now. Easily Australia's best player of the match. 21 points and 9 rebounds.

That can only end up being a good thing.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Baynes is a good player. He needs time.

Whether with the Spurs or someone else, you'll see.

[ron235]

Baynes just punked the French team right now. Easily Australia's best player of the match. 21 points and 9 rebounds.

He's emerged as a leader on the Australian squad, especially with Bogut out. It's been good to see tbh.

[Ice009]

Like I said, I'm sure one of the Spurs players/coaches mentioned that he makes all/most of his shots in practice/scrimmage but seems to rush them in games. He just needs court time and learn to slow down a little bit out there.

I have no idea what the Spurs FO are doing if they let him walk and keep Ayres.

If they're trying to get someone else with that last roster spot, I'd still cut Ayres and sign Baynes to that spot any day of the week. If they're trying to get him cheap for the QO and don't want to pay him a cent more, then that might be backfiring on them as his stock seems to be rising playing for Australia. He's played well in every game so far. Can't they just give him a slight raise? Also, how much is the qualifying offer in comparison to what he made last season? Is it a higher amount?

[exstatic]

Like I said, I'm sure one of the Spurs players/coaches mentioned that he makes all/most of his shots in practice/scrimmage but seems to rush them in games. He just needs court time and learn to slow down a little bit out there.

I have no idea what the Spurs FO are doing if they let him walk and keep Ayres.

If they're trying to get someone else with that last roster spot, I'd still cut Ayres and sign Baynes to that spot any day of the week. If they're trying to get him cheap for the QO and don't want to pay him a cent more, then that might be backfiring on them as his stock seems to be rising playing for Australia. He's played well in every game so far. Can't they just give him a slight raise? Also, how much is the qualifying offer in comparison to what he made last season? Is it a higher amount?

:lol You people make me laugh. We're talking about the 13th-14th player on our roster, and you want the front office to lock itself in a closet and bid itself up. The front office has made the QO that makes Aron restricted. They shouldn't up that one DIME. If you go to the grocery store and your bill is $50, do you say "no, I'm paying you $60!" ?

If he gets another offer, then they decide to match or not.

Never go to Vegas, Ice. You'll come home wearing a barrel, and never have a clue why.

[Birn]

Like I said, I'm sure one of the Spurs players/coaches mentioned that he makes all/most of his shots in practice/scrimmage but seems to rush them in games. He just needs court time and learn to slow down a little bit out there.

I have no idea what the Spurs FO are doing if they let him walk and keep Ayres.

If they're trying to get someone else with that last roster spot, I'd still cut Ayres and sign Baynes to that spot any day of the week. If they're trying to get him cheap for the QO and don't want to pay him a cent more, then that might be backfiring on them as his stock seems to be rising playing for Australia. He's played well in every game so far. Can't they just give him a slight raise? Also, how much is the qualifying offer in comparison to what he made last season? Is it a higher amount?


It's about $300k higher.

[ChumpDumper]

I want the Spurs to drag this out as long as possible. spurfan isn't done blowing this out of all proportion.

[jeebus]

it is kinda fun watching the lone Ayres lover keep trying to convince everyone that Baynes isn't worth it.

[Ice009]

:lol You people make me laugh. We're talking about the 13th-14th player on our roster, and you want the front office to lock itself in a closet and bid itself up. The front office has made the QO that makes Aron restricted. They shouldn't up that one DIME. If you go to the grocery store and your bill is $50, do you say "no, I'm paying you $60!" ?

If he gets another offer, then they decide to match or not.

Never go to Vegas, Ice. You'll come home wearing a barrel, and never have a clue why.

Alright, what you've said is fair enough from the FO perspective, but why hasn't Baynes signed it? I assume that he wants more money, so why not give him a very slight raise? Are they really that tight. How about the question I asked - Is the qualifying offer more money then he made last season, if it is, then OK, I agree with leaving the offer there and seeing if he gets any higher offers from other teams. If the QO if a decent raise from what he got paid last season, then I can understand the FO strategy.

That could also be a bit risky though, what if another team offers him a lot more than the Spurs are willing to pay? I know you keep saying that he's a 13th-14th man, but this team is all about depth, resting players and managing minutes during the regular season. I don't think the Spurs can afford to lose a player that knows the system, can be a rotation player in those minute managing games/times and is likely to be pretty cheap to resign. Unless Baynes is after a lot more money, then I don't understand why you'd let him walk by not willing to give him a cent more.

I disagree about you grocery store analogy too. It's closer to this IMO - The Spurs have basically walked into the Grocery store, saw the price Baynes wanted, said they wanted to buy Baynes but gave a lower offer than the price listed (as they're not willing to pay the price that he wants), so at this point, they can't buy him.


It's about $300k higher.

Thank-you very much. Well, in that case, I can see why the Spurs aren't willing to offer more. When I mentioned "a very slight raise", the number I was thinking of is about $500K on top of what he got paid last season. I figured that is a fair raise, with a chance to prove himself this season and to try raise his stock for the following off-season if he wants a bigger payday.

Also, I'll just add, I think the number he is looking for is close to what Ayres is getting paid. That's just a guess on my part, but I think that's the kind of number he's looking for to come back.

[exstatic]

it is kinda fun watching the lone Ayres lover keep trying to convince everyone that Baynes isn't worth it.

I would be perfectly happy if the Spurs jettisoned BaynesAyresDaye. None of them have any real effect on the outcome of games, positive or negative.

[Nero5]

:lol You people make me laugh. We're talking about the 13th-14th player on our roster, and you want the front office to lock itself in a closet and bid itself up. The front office has made the QO that makes Aron restricted. They shouldn't up that one DIME. If you go to the grocery store and your bill is $50, do you say "no, I'm paying you $60!" ?

If he gets another offer, then they decide to match or not.

Never go to Vegas, Ice. You'll come home wearing a barrel, and never have a clue why.

Ah good ol penny pinching. The big three are old and getting brittle. Spurs have countered with depth and reduction of playing time and it has worked, but you have a long season with tough big players and Duncan will suffer. All you need is Duncan to get hurt and the season is over, this is the hidden role for Baynes - wear out the opposition big, tire him out and protect duncan when he is not on the floor.

[Ice009]

I would be perfectly happy if the Spurs jettisoned BaynesAyresDaye. None of them have any real effect on the outcome of games, positive or negative.

So who do you replace them with? Do you want to play Duncan more minutes in the regular season?


Ah good ol penny pinching. The big three are old and getting brittle. Spurs have countered with depth and reduction of playing time and it has worked, but you have a long season with tough big players and Duncan will suffer. All you need is Duncan to get hurt and the season is over, this is the hidden role for Baynes - wear out the opposition big, tire him out and protect duncan when he is not on the floor.

Great post. At least someone here is on the right track. For some reason, a lot of Spurs fans are acting like tightwads. You guys know that you don't actually work for the team, right? You don't have to take their views on pinching pennies for every single free agent out there (that's not directed at anyone in particular).

[Nero5]

The other aspect no discussed is you need fairness for team harmony if nothing else. The big three are great role models, but if you have a guy contributing and another guy on the roster is getting paid much more then keeping resentment out of the equation becomes an issue. Patty has been a great social leader for the group, but dynamics change when you are an aspirant to a title vs. being defending title holders. Pop's great strength as a coach is managing personalities, but if this is much harder then again effort gets wasted and you only need to go back two seasons to see that.

[exstatic]

The other aspect no discussed is you need fairness for team harmony if nothing else. The big three are great role models, but if you have a guy contributing and another guy on the roster is getting paid much more then keeping resentment out of the equation becomes an issue. Patty has been a great social leader for the group, but dynamics change when you are an aspirant to a title vs. being defending title holders. Pop's great strength as a coach is managing personalities, but if this is much harder then again effort gets wasted and you only need to go back two seasons to see that.

If Baynes feels that way, then he needs to go to Europe, or China or someplace else. The last roster jealousy led directly to Stephen Jackson's ejection from the roster right before the 2013 playoffs. It's not the Spurs responsibility to make sure their feelings aren't hurt, it's their own responsibility to get over themselves. If they don't, it's time to show them the door. Pop ain't having any of that shit.

[exstatic]

So who do you replace them with? Do you want to play Duncan more minutes in the regular season?





I was speaking in the hypothetical. If they find someone, and I'm sure they will next summer, those three guys are VERY replaceable.

[Nero5]

If Baynes feels that way, then he needs to go to Europe, or China or someplace else. The last roster jealousy led directly to Stephen Jackson's ejection from the roster right before the 2013 playoffs. It's not the Spurs responsibility to make sure their feelings aren't hurt, it's their own responsibility to get over themselves. If they don't, it's time to show them the door. Pop ain't having any of that shit.

pffft you are joking are you not!? The issues is broader than one player it is about the dynamic within a team of people - parity, fairness and reward for effort are part of a club culture as much as a coaching necessity. Consider you have a group of young men with a limited earning period with the skill set they have. They know this and they know how cutthroat things are better than you or I ever will. Now they are asked to be committed to what they do, which is fine. But as a group you need a harmony, a focus to guide attention. These guys will spend more time than is normal with each other - so this stuff is important.

[Nero5]

I was speaking in the hypothetical. If they find someone, and I'm sure they will next summer, those three guys are VERY replaceable.

yes if you believe in a lego like numbers system - which is not why the spurs won last season. Go and look at clips on youtube of all of the top ten teams play, but not the highlights - that's just fluff, watch the play. Don't look at the team play on the floor - that is not that important for this. Look at the bench reactions to the stuff happening on the floor, especially when it's not the superstar making the play. The teams that achieve or overachieve relative to the stats are the teams that are cohesive. What I saw with the Spurs was a team that were genuinely playing for each other and not the stat line or the individual glory. This was through the whole season, so when it came time to the playoffs they were cohesive and mentally tough...where OKC and Miami were not.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

pffft you are joking are you not!? The issues is broader than one player it is about the dynamic within a team of people - parity, fairness and reward for effort are part of a club culture as much as a coaching necessity. Consider you have a group of young men with a limited earning period with the skill set they have. They know this and they know how cutthroat things are better than you or I ever will. Now they are asked to be committed to what they do, which is fine. But as a group you need a harmony, a focus to guide attention. These guys will spend more time than is normal with each other - so this stuff is important.

What parity? He's the 4th/5th/6th big on the roster, depending on matchups and will be getting paid accordingly. There isn't a single player on the roster the Spurs have bid against themselves on, so why should they do it for the 4th/5th/6th big? If some team offers him more than the Spurs are and they refuse to match, then you might have a point, depending on the offer he gets, but until then the Spurs have done exactly what they should have.

[ChumpDumper]

Fair is letting the existing market decide Baynes' monetary worth. This part is in his agent's hands if he wants much more than the QO. It's pretty obvious he isn't worth much more than that or he would have been signed already. No team is going to bend over backwards to make an end of bench player feel "harmonious."

[TampaDude]

Pretty sure Baynes will be back with the Spurs this coming season. No worries.

[SupremeGuy]

Fuck, I knew it. Some faggoty euro teams are going after the Big Banger. :(

:cry pls don't leave Aron :cry (http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/report-teams-in-europe-looking-to-sign-aron-baynes.html)

[SupremeGuy]

I wonder if the Spurs would be willing to match any reasonable euro offers?... :hat

[outmap]

Baynes is currently the best player on their National team during the tune-up games for the FIBA World Cup. (OT: Exum sucks! LOL Bust!)

[Baam]

Good for Baynes, imo Pop has never given him a fair shot, instead he played a newcomer (Ayres) just because of the money they invested on him...

Baynes deserves a raise and his international play speaks for him.

[exstatic]

Good for Baynes, imo Pop has never given him a fair shot, instead he played a newcomer (Ayres) just because of the money they invested on him...

Baynes deserves a raise and his international play is speakers for him.
Baynes is not getting a raise unless some other team gives it to him.

[ChumpDumper]

Good for Baynes, imo Pop has never given him a fair shot, instead he played a newcomer (Ayres) just because of the money they invested on him...

Baynes deserves a raise and his international play is speakers for him.This shit again.

[jeebus]

Good for Baynes, imo Pop has never given him a fair shot, instead he played a newcomer (Ayres) just because of the money they invested on him...

Baynes deserves a raise and his international play is speakers for him.
Agreed. He's been getting better and deserves better than Austin Daye scrub money and deserves more playing time.

[exstatic]

I'm smarter than PATFO!

[tim_duncan_fan]

I don;t know why people sleep on Baynes. It's probably easier than ever for a big to get 10-12 points and 10 boards.

Some of yall nigguhs trippin'.

[CGD]

If he signs in Europe, is like Ayon as the replacement

[Chinook]

If he signs in Europe, is like Ayon as the replacement

Cotton would be his replacement.

[exstatic]

If Baynes leaves, Cotton's best case is they might keep him...right up to the cut deadline in early January. They'd roll for a few weeks with 14 roster spots, and then see what's available at the trade and buyout deadlines for spot #15.

[Chinook]

If Baynes leaves, Cotton's best case is they might keep him...right up to the cut deadline in early January. They'd roll for a few weeks with 14 roster spots, and then see what's available at the trade and buyout deadlines for spot #15.

Best case is they keep him. They need a third PG for 2015. Plus, I don't think the cutoff means much to the Spurs. They didn't let that stop them with Thomas last year.

[exstatic]

Best case is they keep him. They need a third PG for 2015. Plus, I don't think the cutoff means much to the Spurs. They didn't let that stop them with Thomas last year.

They had actually planned to KEEP THomas, until Danny, Kawhi, and Manu went down in various combinations and overlaps for like 4 weeks. They cut Thomas to sign a wing player, first Jeffers, then DJ.

Cotton really isn't NBA caliber. I can see them wanting an emergency PG for 2 months, but keeping him as the 4th PG for the rest of the year isn't necessary, and there might be someone tasty out there at the buyout deadline. If they cut him in January before he guarantees, they won't have to pay him for the whole year like they would if they wait to the buyout deadline.

[tholdren]

I don;t know why people sleep on Baynes. It's probably easier than ever for a big to get 10-12 points and 10 boards.

Some of yall nigguhs trippin'.

Then why cant tiago do it?

[tim_duncan_fan]

Then why cant tiago do it?

He plays 22 minutes a game.

Also, Baynes has greater offensive potential.

We pump Baynes' confidence up just another half notch and he'll start popping two or 3 of those 15-footers in per game.

All Baynes needs is time. Coming off a chip run and looking to play all the main guys as little as possible during reg season, Baynes should have ample opportunity.

[exstatic]

He plays 22 minutes a game.

Also, Baynes has greater offensive potential.

We pump Baynes' confidence up just another half notch and he'll start popping two or 3 of those 15-footers in per game.

All Baynes needs is time. Coming off a chip run and looking to play all the main guys as little as possible during reg season, Baynes should have ample opportunity.

Shooting =/= offense. Splitter is a FAR better offensive player, which is one of the reasons he plays and Aron sits. The other is that he's a FAR better defensive player.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Shooting =/= offense. Splitter is a FAR better offensive player, which is one of the reasons he plays and Aron sits. The other is that he's a FAR better defensive player.
I said potential. Baynes has a higher scoring ceiling. He can learn to play the P&R well.

I agree Splitter has him defensively, though. Tiago has actually proven to be deceptively quick laterally.

[TD 21]

They had actually planned to KEEP THomas, until Danny, Kawhi, and Manu went down in various combinations and overlaps for like 4 weeks. They cut Thomas to sign a wing player, first Jeffers, then DJ.

Cotton really isn't NBA caliber. I can see them wanting an emergency PG for 2 months, but keeping him as the 4th PG for the rest of the year isn't necessary, and there might be someone tasty out there at the buyout deadline. If they cut him in January before he guarantees, they won't have to pay him for the whole year like they would if they wait to the buyout deadline.

Exactly.

Even if they decide to look ahead to 2015 for a third PG, it's unlikely it'll be Cotton, who's too similar to Mills. I'd imagine they'll look for someone in the mold of Joseph.


As far as Baynes is concerned, it more than likely won't happen, but I'd strongly consider rescinding the qualifying offer. As I've said, they don't need four C's and seven bigs and even though I said I'd lead towards Baynes, if Ayres' turnover percentage returns to his career average next season, he's a slightly better player. Either way, I'd rather the flexibility that comes with having less than 15 guarantees.

[jeebus]

As I've said, they don't need four C's and seven bigs and even though I said I'd lead towards Baynes, if Ayres' turnover percentage returns to his career average next season, he's a slightly better player. Either way, I'd rather the flexibility that comes with having less than 15 guarantees.

Spurs bigs: Duncan, Shitter, Diaw. That's it.

Boner is completely done and only came back because management was nice enough to throw him a bone and let him retire with Manu and Timmy. Ayres is...lol. He's non existent. He didn't show anything in the regular season, which is why he was benched in the playoffs. He still didn't show anything against summer league scrubs either. Useless; but Pop has a love affair with him meaning he'll get minutes this season.

Daye is the same thing. Other than one game which half of spurstalk still jizzes about, he's pathetic as well. Spurs don't need a 150 lb 6'10 guy who sometimes makes threes agains the worst team in the NBA.

If/When Shitter gets injured and Pop rests Duncan on back to backs, Spurs will be super thin with big men.

[TD 21]

Spurs bigs: Duncan, Shitter, Diaw. That's it.

Boner is completely done and only came back because management was nice enough to throw him a bone and let him retire with Manu and Timmy. Ayres is...lol. He's non existent. He didn't show anything in the regular season, which is why he was benched in the playoffs. He still didn't show anything against summer league scrubs either. Useless; but Pop has a love affair with him meaning he'll get minutes this season.

Daye is the same thing. Other than one game which half of spurstalk still jizzes about, he's pathetic as well. Spurs don't need a 150 lb 6'10 guy who sometimes makes threes agains the worst team in the NBA.

If/When Shitter gets injured and Pop rests Duncan on back to backs, Spurs will be super thin with big men.

Ayres, Bonner, Daye. That's six (and even though they mostly went away from it last season, Leonard can play small ball PF). Sure, there's no fourth who's of rotation caliber, but Baynes isn't either. I don't get the bizarre obsession with him on this board.

If depth becomes an issue due to injuries, they can address it then. That's the whole point of having an open roster spot. By locking themselves into fifteen, they have to hope their questionable PG depth (only because of Mills' injury, of course) holds up.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ayres, Bonner, Daye. That's six (and even though they mostly went away from it last season, Leonard can play small ball PF). Sure, there's no fourth who's of rotation caliber, but Baynes isn't either. I don't get the bizarre obsession with him on this board.

If depth becomes an issue due to injuries, they can address it then. That's the whole point of having an open roster spot. By locking themselves into fifteen, they have to hope their questionable PG depth (only because of Mills' injury, of course) holds up.

Baynes issues are mainly three things:

- fouling which he improved significantly.
- shooting %. He is shooting very well for Australia.
- conditioning with limited minutes. steady playing time right now helps.

He is a complete defensive 5. He can actually get out and defend the pnr. He can extend out to double playside and recover. He can bang in the post. He can rotate and block shots at the rim. He is a good physical rebounder. He runs well and is athletic.

I can only find bits and pieces of the Ukraine game I am interested to see where his shooting from and routinely hitting 70% from the field.

[exstatic]

Baynes issues are mainly three things:

- fouling which he improved significantly.
- shooting %. He is shooting very well for Australia.
- conditioning with limited minutes. steady playing time right now helps.

He is a complete defensive 5. He can actually get out and defend the pnr. He can extend out to double playside and recover. He can bang in the post. He can rotate and block shots at the rim. He is a good physical rebounder. He runs well and is athletic.

I can only find bits and pieces of the Ukraine game I am interested to see where his shooting from and routinely hitting 70% from the field.

FIBA ball is NOT NBA ball. Baynes has shown NO ability to show and recover on the NBA p'n'r. In the NBA world, he's a plodder.

If he was as good as you people say, SOMEONE in the NBA would have made him an offer by now. It's not like the Spurs have done a Phoenix and said "we'll match anything". I'm betting if someone offered him a multi year deal at $3M, they could have him. NO ONE HAS.

[tholdren]

I said potential. Baynes has a higher scoring ceiling. He can learn to play the P&R well.

I agree Splitter has him defensively, though. Tiago has actually proven to be deceptively quick laterally.

false- its impossible for him to be quick and have zero vertical. it actually defies several laws of physics and reactive strength fundamentals. You think he's fast, so he looks fast.

[tholdren]

FIBA ball is NOT NBA ball. Baynes has shown NO ability to show and recover on the NBA p'n'r. In the NBA world, he's a plodder.

If he was as good as you people say, SOMEONE in the NBA would have made him an offer by now. It's not like the Spurs have done a Phoenix and said "we'll match anything". I'm betting if someone offered him a multi year deal at $3M, they could have him. NO ONE HAS.

jesus christ. You make the same argument FOR the drafting of Kyle Anderson; slow = iq, his ceiling..... Baynes is a different defender than Tiago. Hes stronger and faster; he just needs time. ceiling wise he can be easily as good as tiago, he just needs to learn the gimmicks and tricks of the trade. And who is saying tiago is better on offense. I have never seen a weaker seven footer since Shawn Bradley.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

FIBA ball is NOT NBA ball. Baynes has shown NO ability to show and recover on the NBA p'n'r. In the NBA world, he's a plodder.

If he was as good as you people say, SOMEONE in the NBA would have made him an offer by now. It's not like the Spurs have done a Phoenix and said "we'll match anything". I'm betting if someone offered him a multi year deal at $3M, they could have him. NO ONE HAS.

He did all of those things in games last year. He is also proficient in switching and moving his feet down the lane to cut off penetration.

We don't know what if any offers he has or has not gotten. Not knowing does not mean that it hasn't happened.

As I said, I haven't been able to get the video of the FIBA stuff. I am just encouraged by the great shooting percentage even if it against lesser talent. This is no different in my view than sending a prospect down to a summer league and have him perform well.

There are several people on the roster that cannot say to have done as well.

[exstatic]

He did all of those things in games last year. He is also proficient in switching and moving his feet down the lane to cut off penetration.

We don't know what if any offers he has or has not gotten. Not knowing does not mean that it hasn't happened.

As I said, I haven't been able to get the video of the FIBA stuff. I am just encouraged by the great shooting percentage even if it against lesser talent. This is no different in my view than sending a prospect down to a summer league and have him perform well.

There are several people on the roster that cannot say to have done as well.

Actually, we'd know immediately, because he'd have to sign an offer sheet, which would start the 72 hour clock. The Spurs would definitely announce that. Therefor, he has received no offers in the NBA.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually, we'd know immediately, because he'd have to sign an offer sheet, which would start the 72 hour clock. The Spurs would definitely announce that. Therefor, he has received no offers in the NBA.

He doesn't have to sign the offer sheet if one is extended. The Spurs could have very easily told him to go check out the market and let them match. They don't have to go through the ham handed league paperwork to force a showdown.

[exstatic]

He doesn't have to sign the offer sheet if one is extended. The Spurs could have very easily told him to go check out the market and let them match. They don't have to go through the ham handed league paperwork to force a showdown.

When the Spurs say "go check the market", they mean "bring us an offer sheet". There is no way for them to be sure of what another team really offered him without one. It's a legally binding document that means one of two teams will pay him that amount for that many years. Without an offer sheet, the Spurs will just sit on the QO. The ONLY thing that will get one nickel more out of the Spurs (or any team holding a player with a QO) is that "ham handed league paperwork".

[SupremeGuy]

Actually, we'd know immediately, because he'd have to sign an offer sheet, which would start the 72 hour clock. The Spurs would definitely announce that. Therefor, he has received no offers in the NBA.The NBA isn't the only place that he could be getting offers from, tbh.

[will_spurs]

If he was as good as you people say, SOMEONE in the NBA would have made him an offer by now. It's not like the Spurs have done a Phoenix and said "we'll match anything". I'm betting if someone offered him a multi year deal at $3M, they could have him. NO ONE HAS.

You can't equate a player's talent with his contract, because front offices make HUGE mistakes all the time. Or maybe Green sucks too because nobody wanted to sign him back when the Spurs cut him?

A player's worth is based on talent, of course, but also perception, fan appeal, immediate need of a team, availability of money... If I followed your train of thought then a player like Gordon Hayward should be the second coming of Michael Jordan.

On top of that, given the fact that nobody is going to offer Baynes a stupid amount of money, the Spurs saying "we'll match anything reasonable" is pretty much the same as them saying "we'll match anything", and the kiss of death for Baynes' hope on the NBA market.

It's still not a good idea to let him walk, not to lowball him (even worse when the difference between what he's going to get and what Ayres gets is pocket money).

[NickiRasgo]

I really want the Spurs to re-sign Baynes. Baynes actually can do the "dirty work" because he gives toughness. He's like our enforcer and Ayres is our cheerleader.

[DrSteffo]

I really want the Spurs to re-sign Baynes. Baynes actually can do the "dirty work" because he gives toughness. He's like our enforcer and Ayres is our cheerleader.

This. I hope he returns.

[bigfan]

We have always needed a Maurice Lucas/Malone/Oakley type enforcer and even though Baynes isn't anywhere near that level he does project a toughness that we are certainly going to need every time we play Houston and OKC. I could care less if either Daye or Ayres stays but I sure hope Baynes takes the offer.

[exstatic]

You can't equate a player's talent with his contract, because front offices make HUGE mistakes all the time. Or maybe Green sucks too because nobody wanted to sign him back when the Spurs cut him?

A player's worth is based on talent, of course, but also perception, fan appeal, immediate need of a team, availability of money... If I followed your train of thought then a player like Gordon Hayward should be the second coming of Michael Jordan.

On top of that, given the fact that nobody is going to offer Baynes a stupid amount of money, the Spurs saying "we'll match anything reasonable" is pretty much the same as them saying "we'll match anything", and the kiss of death for Baynes' hope on the NBA market.

It's still not a good idea to let him walk, not to lowball him (even worse when the difference between what he's going to get and what Ayres gets is pocket money).

Wow. Don't even know where to start with this. Teams can make mistakes, but there is VERY little likelihood that EVERY other team would make the same mistake on one player. I also don't know HOW you go from "match anything reasonable" to "match ANYTHING" with nothing in between. Those don't mean the same, AT ALL. Teams know what the Spurs pay to deep bench (#12-15) guys. Come in above that, maybe between $2-3M, and he's likely yours, especially on a multi year deal. Plenty of teams had that kind of money this summer.

I'll skip over the entire Hayward = MJ hysteria, as I never said or even implied ANYTHING remotely like that.

As a deep bench guy, it's RC's JOB to lowball him and pay him as little as possible. People wonder year after year how the Spurs have such a clean cap sheet. THIS IS HOW. You don't lock yourself into a closet and bid yourself up. You pay as little to the guys with low, double digit roster position numbers, make your QOs and let the chips fall where they may. Hell, they lowballed Belinelli. He had offers higher than $2.75M. The Spurs said "This is what we can pay you." He signed.

[TD 21]

Baynes issues are mainly three things:

- fouling which he improved significantly.
- shooting %. He is shooting very well for Australia.
- conditioning with limited minutes. steady playing time right now helps.

He is a complete defensive 5. He can actually get out and defend the pnr. He can extend out to double playside and recover. He can bang in the post. He can rotate and block shots at the rim. He is a good physical rebounder. He runs well and is athletic.

I can only find bits and pieces of the Ukraine game I am interested to see where his shooting from and routinely hitting 70% from the field.

- He still turns it over far too much for such a minimal big.
- His career fg% is .447. Atrocious for any big, let alone one that can't stretch the floor.
- His conditioning is largely irrelevant, since he's not needed for significant minutes.

He's not at all a complete defensive C. As exstatic said, he has limited defensive range, but on top of that, he's also not a rim protector (not that protecting the rim is all about shot blocking, but his career block % is a paltry 1.3 and worse if you factor in the playoffs). Even his defensive rebounding is mediocre. His only real strength defensively is just that: his strength, which is only useful in select match-ups.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Apparently the concept of a teams extending offers to Baynes and Baynes not making a decision is beyond the scope of some.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

- He still turns it over far too much for such a minimal big.
- His career fg% is .447. Atrocious for any big, let alone one that can't stretch the floor.
- His conditioning is largely irrelevant, since he's not needed for significant minutes.

He's not at all a complete defensive C. As exstatic said, he has limited defensive range, but on top of that, he's also not a rim protector (not that protecting the rim is all about shot blocking, but his career block % is a paltry 1.3 and worse if you factor in the playoffs). Even his defensive rebounding is mediocre. His only real strength defensively is just that: his strength, which is only useful in select match-ups.

Him playing well and shooting a high percentage and not turning the ball over is the point of this 'excitement' you guys are so determined to not allow.

He does get far too cute on offense and ends up out of position. I suppose seeing Splitters's block numbers you think he is a poor rim defender as well. Just becuase there is a stat that relates to rim defense does not mean that it is exhaustive in its description. You can consistently watch Baynes make rotations and alter shots in much the same way Splitter does it.

Further Baynes strength also plays into team rebounding. He always blocks out the opponents best rebounder often to the detriment

As for range. You guys are just talking out of your ass. He has not been asked to defend stretch 4s so we don't know how he would do. Most high pnr see us playing ice but when asked to show playside and recover he shows pretty good range especially for a 5. He is not Chris Bosh doing it but he can at least as well as say Chris Anderson.

[tholdren]

Anyone who thinks blocks is a good category to base defense on is almost as clueless as those who think ppg equates to best players.

Blocks don't mean anything unless there is a to accompanied with the block. That Stat is not tracked. Just like fouls, or any other Stat, most are taken out of context by fans as we see here

[exstatic]

Him playing well and shooting a high percentage and not turning the ball over is the point of this 'excitement' you guys are so determined to not allow.

It's FIBA, and it's not even FIBA competition. It's friendlys/exhibitions.

[jeebus]

It's FIBA, and it's not even FIBA competition. It's friendlys/exhibitions.
Even the friendlys are more competitive than the summer league, where your boy toy flopped around like a bitch.

[ChumpDumper]

Even the friendlys are more competitive than the summer leaguelol nobody even sees the friendlies to be able to make that call.

I still would like a list of friendlies players who aren't under contract. That might be telling.

[tholdren]

lol nobody even sees the friendlies to be able to make that call.

I still would like a list of friendlies players who aren't under contract. That might be telling.

Just admit that summer league is almost as worthless as aau

[ChumpDumper]

Just admit that summer league is almost as worthless as aauIt can be quite useful but isn't the end-all be-all of player evaluation.

[xmas1997]

It can be quite useful but isn't the end-all be-all of player evaluation.

Hey, remember how downstairs you were humiliated about making a huge dogma blunder, about you making up lies about meds, bitterness, and contests?
That was, and is pretty funny.
:lmao

[TD 21]

Him playing well and shooting a high percentage and not turning the ball over is the point of this 'excitement' you guys are so determined to not allow.

He does get far too cute on offense and ends up out of position. I suppose seeing Splitters's block numbers you think he is a poor rim defender as well. Just becuase there is a stat that relates to rim defense does not mean that it is exhaustive in its description. You can consistently watch Baynes make rotations and alter shots in much the same way Splitter does it.

Further Baynes strength also plays into team rebounding. He always blocks out the opponents best rebounder often to the detriment

As for range. You guys are just talking out of your ass. He has not been asked to defend stretch 4s so we don't know how he would do. Most high pnr see us playing ice but when asked to show playside and recover he shows pretty good range especially for a 5. He is not Chris Bosh doing it but he can at least as well as say Chris Anderson.

I thought you were referring to his play in the NBA. Nonetheless, consider the competition and small size at work here. There's been plenty of examples of fringe NBA players playing out of their mind internationally and it not carrying over. Batista and Ayon are recent examples that come to mind.

He's a relatively low IQ player. I specifically said there's obviously more to protecting the rim than blocks, but you acted as if he was a shot blocker, which is just not true at all.

Maybe so (though unless you have data that suggests the team rebounds better with him on the court, it can't be said with any certainty), but he was touted as an excellent rebounder and in reality, he's merely solid.

No, you're talking out of your ass because of your bizarre obsession with a clear fringe player. There's a reason he hasn't been asked to defend stretch fours.

[anakha]

Hey, remember how downstairs you were humiliated about making a huge dogma blunder, about you making up lies about meds, bitterness, and contests?
That was, and is pretty funny.
:lmao

Follow your own advice and stick to the topic, Christmas troll.


We have always needed a Maurice Lucas/Malone/Oakley type enforcer and even though Baynes isn't anywhere near that level he does project a toughness that we are certainly going to need every time we play Houston and OKC. I could care less if either Daye or Ayres stays but I sure hope Baynes takes the offer.

If OKC and Houston are the main reasons people want Baynes to stick around, that projects him as a niche player.

We just saw how much niche players get paid by the Spurs - look at Bonner's contract history.

Are people willing to see Baynes get that much if he is indeed a niche player?

[xmas1997]

Follow your own advice and stick to the topic, Christmas troll.
If OKC and Houston are the main reasons people want Baynes to stick around, that projects him as a niche player.
We just saw how much niche players get paid by the Spurs - look at Bonner's contract history.
Are people willing to see Baynes get that much if he is indeed a niche player?

Take your advice and stick it up your ass, I do as I please and at my leisure, douchebag troll.

[anakha]

Take your advice and stick it up your ass, I do as I please and at my leisure, douchebag troll.

:lmao Christmas troll not bothering to hide his being a massive hypocrite.


:cry Stick to the topic you guys :cry
:cry I'm not a troll because I don't derail topics and insult people for no reason :cry
:cry I'm a troll by my own definition :cry
:cry Sooooo butthurt by Chump in the Club that I have to bitch about him in other forums :cry

[Ice009]

How much do you think we want to pay Baynes? Every time that I've said the Spurs should give him a slight raise, the number I've been thinking is something like 500K. If he wants much more than that, then I'd probably let him walk too. I'm not talking about giving Baynes anywhere near the 3+mil Bonner got for being a niche player, no way, but I think a slight raise after winning the Championship isn't that much to ask, is it?

The guy played in a few playoff games and did OK in most of the minutes he got out there. After winning the championship, I think a slight raise is worth it. I also do think he can help against some teams like Houston, OKC, Portland, those type of teams.

For the rest of you that want him back, how much do you guys think the Spurs should pay him? Should they offer him a slight raise, or not give him a cent more than they are offering?

[Chinook]

I think the issue with Baynes is contract length more than salary. The Big Three took paycuts to give the team the luxury of overpaying role-players, and Baynes seems popular in the locker room. But the team still seems to care a lot about 2015 cap space, and I doubt they want to throw away a max slot because Baynes is taking up $2-3 Million. They've already jeopardized it with Patty's deal.

Also, the Spurs need to figure out how to carry a fourth PG. Baynes leaving is the easiest way to free up a slot, but it's probably not the way they prefer, hence they they haven't made a decision.

[xmas1997]

:lmao Christmas troll not bothering to hide his being a massive hypocrite.

I don't have to resort to lying to make my points, but then you prove that the truth hurts.
If you don't want to continue your derailing then shut the fuck up, it's that easy.
Keep your opinions about me to yourself, but you're so butthurt and anal you can't.
You haven't the guts to admit that I humiliated chump, instead you lie about it.

[xmas1997]

I think the issue with Baynes is contract length more than salary. The Big Three took paycuts to give the team the luxury of overpaying role-players, and Baynes seems popular in the locker room. But the team still seems to care a lot about 2015 cap space, and I doubt they want to throw away a max slot because Baynes is taking up $2-3 Million. They've already jeopardized it with Patty's deal.

Also, the Spurs need to figure out how to carry a fourth PG. Baynes leaving is the easiest way to free up a slot, but it's probably not the way they prefer, hence they they haven't made a decision.

I will still be surprised if Baynes does not sign his QO. If I am not mistaken it is still on the table waiting for him.

[Chinook]

Baynes might be able to get more from an overseas team. If that's the case, the Spurs lose their leverage with him. He may well move on if the Spurs hold fast to their stance.

[xmas1997]

Baynes might be able to get more from an overseas team. If that's the case, the Spurs lose their leverage with him. He may well move on if the Spurs hold fast to their stance.

Yes, that is one scenario that could occur, but it hasn't happened yet.

[exstatic]

How much do you think we want to pay Baynes? Every time that I've said the Spurs should give him a slight raise, the number I've been thinking is something like 500K. If he wants much more than that, then I'd probably let him walk too. I'm not talking about giving Baynes anywhere near the 3+mil Bonner got for being a niche player, no way, but I think a slight raise after winning the Championship isn't that much to ask, is it?

The guy played in a few playoff games and did OK in most of the minutes he got out there. After winning the championship, I think a slight raise is worth it. I also do think he can help against some teams like Houston, OKC, Portland, those type of teams.

For the rest of you that want him back, how much do you guys think the Spurs should pay him? Should they offer him a slight raise, or not give him a cent more than they are offering?
You pay your end of the roster guys as little as possible. It's a business.

[spurraider21]

I think the issue with Baynes is contract length more than salary. The Big Three took paycuts to give the team the luxury of overpaying role-players, and Baynes seems popular in the locker room. But the team still seems to care a lot about 2015 cap space, and I doubt they want to throw away a max slot because Baynes is taking up $2-3 Million. They've already jeopardized it with Patty's deal.

Also, the Spurs need to figure out how to carry a fourth PG. Baynes leaving is the easiest way to free up a slot, but it's probably not the way they prefer, hence they they haven't made a decision.
extending the QO is them making the decision, imo

[cd021]

How much do you think we want to pay Baynes? Every time that I've said the Spurs should give him a slight raise, the number I've been thinking is something like 500K. If he wants much more than that, then I'd probably let him walk too. I'm not talking about giving Baynes anywhere near the 3+mil Bonner got for being a niche player, no way, but I think a slight raise after winning the Championship isn't that much to ask, is it?

The guy played in a few playoff games and did OK in most of the minutes he got out there. After winning the championship, I think a slight raise is worth it. I also do think he can help against some teams like Houston, OKC, Portland, those type of teams.

For the rest of you that want him back, how much do you guys think the Spurs should pay him? Should they offer him a slight raise, or not give him a cent more than they are offering?

I would think that they offer stands as is. For $1 million for one season with him potentially reaching RFA again next season. If he plays well then the Spurs would likely extend another QA and probably agree to a longer term deal.

The Spurs need a solid, cheap backup for Splitter going forward.

[anakha]

I don't have to resort to lying to make my points, but then you prove that the truth hurts.
If you don't want to continue your derailing then shut the fuck up, it's that easy.
Keep your opinions about me to yourself, but you're so butthurt and anal you can't.
You haven't the guts to admit that I humiliated chump, instead you lie about it.

Christmas troll still trying to derail the thread with his incessant bitching. :lmao

How pathetic that he presents himself as a 'decent poster' but shits up threads as badly as the trolls he constantly rails against.

Here's an update from McCarney on Twitter:


As translated by RealGM, last re-tweet from well-known Turkish reporter has Baynes hoping to re-sign with SA, but exploring other options.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I thought you were referring to his play in the NBA. Nonetheless, consider the competition and small size at work here. There's been plenty of examples of fringe NBA players playing out of their mind internationally and it not carrying over. Batista and Ayon are recent examples that come to mind.

He's a relatively low IQ player. I specifically said there's obviously more to protecting the rim than blocks, but you acted as if he was a shot blocker, which is just not true at all.

Maybe so (though unless you have data that suggests the team rebounds better with him on the court, it can't be said with any certainty), but he was touted as an excellent rebounder and in reality, he's merely solid.

No, you're talking out of your ass because of your bizarre obsession with a clear fringe player. There's a reason he hasn't been asked to defend stretch fours.

I don't think he is very intelligent. At the same time I don't think he is slow to react and is coachable. His rotations to cut off middle penetration were late and he would end up fouling. He improved on that significantly as the season wore on. Splitter used to have the same issue.

I made no comment as to him being a a shot blocker. I see him make rotations to cut off penetration that work and that is pretty the crux of my argument because it is what I see when I watch him play.

He hasn't been asked to defend on the perimeter because he is 270 lbs. You have a marked inability to actually discuss play and grandstand on stats. I don't feel like looking the ones you conjured up either but it's nice to know that you are satisfied with inferior stats in your statistical analysis.

He's a prospect in the Spurs organization that has been extended a QO. They want to retain his services. There is nothing strange or obsessive in my interest.

[Chinook]

extending the QO is them making the decision, imo

I think it's just them delaying action, like they did with Neal. If they definitely wanted him, they'd give him a deal like the Wizards gave to Humphries. If they definitely didn't want him, they'd've not extended the offer. Honestly, they should sign him to a two-year deal with a team option. That would pay him more this season, while allowing the team to both have flexibility next off-season and to keep Baynes' Bird rights and RFA status should they want to re-sign him.

[cd021]

He is searching for an offer around $1.5 million Euros

that's equal to $1.98 million dollars

the Spurs QA is $1.1 million

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234698/Aron-Baynes-Exploring-Deals-In-Europe-Still-Hopes-To-Re-Sign-With-Spurs

[ChumpDumper]

There's nothing saying he got an offer.

[cd021]

There's nothing saying he got an offer.

My mistake, I misread. He is searching for an offer.

[Ice009]

He is searching for an offer around $1.5 million Euros

that's equal to $1.98 million dollars

the Spurs QA is $1.1 million

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234698/Aron-Baynes-Exploring-Deals-In-Europe-Still-Hopes-To-Re-Sign-With-Spurs

So basically, he wants the same as what Ayres is getting? If so, that is pretty much what I thought he wanted all along. I wonder if he outplays Ayres in practice and thinks he's worth at least as much as Ayres. I hope he's not thinking that, because Ayres is overpaid.

Personally, I'd be willing to give him a 400-500K raise (if the qualifying offer is 1.1 million) and tell him that's the max, take it or leave it.

Do you think the Spurs will move on if he takes too long on to decide on the qualifying offer? If it gets to the point where they can't afford to wait any longer for his decision, you think they'll inform him before doing so to give him a choice/chance to resign before cutting ties with him? I wonder how the did the qualifying offer with Neal?

[jeebus]

He is searching for an offer around $1.5 million Euros

that's equal to $1.98 million dollars

the Spurs QA is $1.1 million

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234698/Aron-Baynes-Exploring-Deals-In-Europe-Still-Hopes-To-Re-Sign-With-Spurs
That's Errors money. If the Spurs end up paying Jeff "I literally cannot play basketball" Errors that but not Baynes.....wow.

[cd021]

So basically, he wants the same as what Ayres is getting? If so, that is pretty much what I thought he wanted all along. I wonder if he outplays Ayres in practice and thinks he's worth at least as much as Ayres. I hope he's not thinking that, because Ayres is overpaid.

Personally, I'd be willing to give him a 400-500K raise (if the qualifying offer is 1.1 million) and tell him that's the max, take it or leave it.

Do you think the Spurs will move on if he takes too long on to decide on the qualifying offer? If it gets to the point where they can't afford to wait any longer for his decision, you think they'll inform him before doing so to give him a choice/chance to resign before cutting ties with him? I wonder how the did the qualifying offer with Neal?

The Spurs can't rescind the offer ,as far as I know. The Spurs have no incentive to offer more than $1.1 million.

As far as NBA options go, if he wants to continue his NBA career then he has take the QA or seek out an offer from another team.

I don't think the Spurs are all that interested in bringing him back for more than the QA or for multiple years guaranteed.

There are still better options at center on the open market in Blatche and Okafor (granted he is healthy)

Its really all on Baynes. If he wants to return then he can take the QA and work to become the 4th big man off the bench. He can then capitalize his play after next season when he hits restricted free agency again.

[anakha]

Baynes is in the unenviable position of having to play behind two legit centers.

Splitter has been able to play alongside Duncan because of his mobility, and alongside Diaw because of the lack of overlap in their offensive game. Baynes doesn't have the same mobility that Splitter does (which impacts his ability to play alongside Duncan), and he and Splitter occupy too much of the same areas offensively for that to be a good fit. I'm not sure if Baynes can successfully see minutes alongside Duncan or Splitter, which limits the lineups he can be played in.

If Baynes can't show that he can successfully play alongside Duncan or Splitter, his best-case scenario (outside of the inevitable rest games) is about 16-18 minutes at backup center when Duncan-Splitter start. That assumes, however, that Pop doesn't play Splitter-Diaw together much.

I guess what I'm saying is I don't know if Baynes will have a lot of opportunities this coming season to show that he deserves a sizeable raise.

[will_spurs]

Wow. Don't even know where to start with this. Teams can make mistakes, but there is VERY little likelihood that EVERY other team would make the same mistake on one player.

Danny Green says hi.


I also don't know HOW you go from "match anything reasonable" to "match ANYTHING" with nothing in between. Those don't mean the same, AT ALL. Teams know what the Spurs pay to deep bench (#12-15) guys. Come in above that, maybe between $2-3M, and he's likely yours, especially on a multi year deal. Plenty of teams had that kind of money this summer.

That's the whole point. Baynes is a $2m player who's getting offered $1m. Everybody knows that anything between $1.5m and $2m would be a reasonable price for Baynes, and that the Spurs would likely match. And that's Baynes' problem right there: no team will bother making a reasonable offer because of what the Spurs said; and no team is going to pay him over $2m because he's an end of the bench player. Therefore the Spurs, by saying they'd match any reasonable offer, have put him in the perfect situation to be lowballed. Of course one can see it as a smart move by the PATFO, but a FO's job is also to keep players relatively happy.

In the end we're talking about $500k and seeing how the Spurs can throw that at vague prospects, I don't see the point in not paying this guy and be done with it. Usually the Spurs don't necessarily try to reach the best deal ever, they try to re-sign their players quickly and without hassle, to a deal that makes everybody happy.

The fact that the Spurs gave him the minimum offer possible, and the fact that he didn't sign it, both combine to make me quite pessimistic about his return. Obviously the Spurs don't care for him enough to raise his salary by $500k or so, and he doesn't care enough about playing for the Spurs to take a discount right away (as others have done in the past).

In the grand scheme of things it probably won't matter much one way or another. I'm just bitter we're stuck with Ayres for $1.75m, a player who's shown he's totally useless at the NBA level. Actually if Ayres wasn't under contract with the Spurs, I'd guess Baynes would have signed the QO by now (or that the FO would have been ready to pay him a bit more).

[ChumpDumper]

lol bitter about a $1.75 million player

spurfan

[exstatic]

lol bitter about a $1.75 million player

spurfan

If Ayres weren't here, they'd be bitching about Baynes' money and play.

[xmas1997]

Christmas troll still trying to derail the thread with his incessant bitching. :lmao

How pathetic that he presents himself as a 'decent poster' but shits up threads as badly as the trolls he constantly rails against.


Then shut the fuck up and stay on topic, or get the hell out of here, if all you want to do is puke up lying slanderous diarrhea, you inconsequential lying sick retarded little punk troll.
You got it now, troll? Then fuck off with your lies.
________

On topic: I still think he will sign with the Spurs, and after all is said and done, the Spurs might extend it for another year as well, but since he has gotten no other bites that we have heard of yet, they are not that far apart and are probably still negotiating.
And even if the Spurs refuse to budge, they should be able to replace him easily enough after training camp with another teams reject.

[jon123spurs]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/25/aron-baynes-wants-to-stay-with-spurs-but-seeking-larger-overseas-contract/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[xmas1997]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/25/aron-baynes-wants-to-stay-with-spurs-but-seeking-larger-overseas-contract/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Baynes wanting more playing time might be a bigger issue than the money difference however, and one the Spurs may not be able to accommodate him with.
For the most part he is already either a situational player (enforcer) and at the end of the bench at that if last year is any indication.
Unless he can get a European team to bite on him I think the Spurs are still sitting in the drivers seat.
And even if he gets a European offer, I doubt the Spurs match.

[ChumpDumper]

Then shut the fuck up and stay on topic, or get the hell out of here, if all you want to do is puke up lying slanderous diarrhea, you inconsequential lying sick retarded little punk troll.
You got it now, troll? Then fuck off with your lies.

[xmas1997]

ChumpDumper;7566035].

Same applies to you.

[FireMicoHalili]

Then shut the fuck up and stay on topic, or get the hell out of here, if all you want to do is puke up lying slanderous diarrhea, you inconsequential lying sick retarded little punk troll.
You got it now, troll? Then fuck off with your lies.
Boom. Face.

[anakha]

Then shut the fuck up and stay on topic, or get the hell out of here, if all you want to do is puke up lying slanderous diarrhea, you inconsequential lying sick retarded little punk troll.
You got it now, troll? Then fuck off with your lies.


Oh, the irony of Christmas troll telling someone to stay on topic after derailing the thread to bitch about something completely off-topic:

Hey, remember how downstairs you were humiliated about making a huge dogma blunder, about you making up lies about meds, bitterness, and contests?
That was, and is pretty funny.
:lmao

Then denying that he was shitposting in the first place. :lmao

By the way, 4/10 on the meltdown - overuse of the word lying. Consult a thesaurus for more creative insults, Christmas troll.



Back on Baynes - the most unfortunate part of this situation is that Duncan is indirectly responsible for Baynes not getting a bigger offer from the Spurs, IMO. His role as the backup center would probably be cemented if Duncan had chosen to retire after this past season.

Not that I'm saying Duncan should have hung it up, mind you. Baynes is just highly unlikely to get paid more than a 5th big when there are clearly two better centers on the roster than he is.

[ChumpDumper]

Same applies to you.Oh, I'm sure your meltdown applies to me.

And I'm sure you'll go off topic again like the troll you are.

Prove me right.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, the irony of Christmas troll telling someone to stay on topic after derailing the thread to bitch about something completely off-topic. Then denying that he was shitposting in the first place. :lmao

By the way, 4/10 on the meltdown - overuse of the word lying. Consult a thesaurus for more creative insults, Christmas troll.



Back on Baynes - the most unfortunate part of this situation is that Duncan is indirectly responsible for Baynes not getting a bigger offer from the Spurs, IMO. His role as the backup center would probably be cemented if Duncan had chosen to retire after this past season.

Not that I'm saying Duncan should have hung it up, mind you. Baynes is just highly unlikely to get paid more than a 5th big when there are clearly two better centers on the roster than he is.I agree. People bitch about Ayres, but he is a 4 so he has a role for himself.

[xmas1997]

Oh, the irony of Christmas troll telling someone to stay on topic after derailing the thread to bitch about something completely off-topic:Then denying that he was shitposting in the first place.
By the way, 4/10 on the meltdown - overuse of the word lying. Consult a thesaurus for more creative insults, Christmas troll.


Oh, I'm sure your meltdown applies to me.And I'm sure you'll go off topic again like the troll you are.Prove me right.

:lmao Talk to the hand, both of you, or quit derailing the thread.

[xmas1997]

I still think he will sign with the Spurs, and after all is said and done, the Spurs might extend it for another year as well, but since he has gotten no other bites that we have heard of yet, they are not that far apart and are probably still negotiating.
And even if the Spurs refuse to budge, they should be able to replace him easily enough after training camp with another teams reject.

Baynes wanting more playing time might be a bigger issue than the money difference however, and one the Spurs may not be able to accommodate him with.
For the most part he is already either a situational player (enforcer) and at the end of the bench at that if last year is any indication.
Unless he can get a European team to bite on him I think the Spurs are still sitting in the drivers seat.
And even if he gets a European offer, I doubt the Spurs match.

^^^

[exstatic]

Read today that if he doesn't sign by 1 October, the Spurs can withdraw the QO AND he remains restricted.

[xmas1997]

Read today that if he doesn't sign by 1 October, the Spurs can withdraw the QO AND he remains restricted.

Yeah, I read that somewhere too.

[anakha]

:lmao Talk to the hand, both of you, or quit derailing the thread.

1) Oh, the irony of Christmas troll bitching about derailing the thread when he was the first guy to go off-topic. :lmao

2) "Talk to the hand"? Now I understand why Christmas troll has 1997 in his username - all his insults are from that decade. :rollin

On the topic: Baynes will have to make more changes to his game than Ayers to lock down that 4th big role and justify an increase in salary. For all of Ayers's well-documented faults, he can still easily lock down that role with a reliable jump shot.

[cd021]

J.J Barea rumored to be brought out if he can't be moved by Minnesota

http://live.startribune.com/Event/Timberwolves_Live_Chat_with_Jerry_Zgoda_at_noon_Mo nday?Page=1

if Baynes doesn't occupy the 15 roster spot.

he would be a nice guard for depth at PG

[anakha]

J.J Barea rumored to be brought out if he can't be moved by Minnesota

http://live.startribune.com/Event/Timberwolves_Live_Chat_with_Jerry_Zgoda_at_noon_Mo nday?Page=1

if Baynes doesn't occupy the 15 roster spot.

he would be a nice guard for depth at PG

I don't think Barea's going to settle for being the third/fourth PG when Mills comes back, and he isn't likely to take an unguaranteed contract.

[Chinook]

"A mi me duelen las costillas. Pero a Kobe el ego."

I'll always be a bit of a Barea fan for that line.

But I don't really want him.

[TD 21]

He can rotate and block shots at the rim.


I made no comment as to him being a shot blocker.



He can actually get out and defend the pnr. He can extend out to double playside and recover.


He hasn't been asked to defend the perimeter because he is 270 lbs.

Which one is it?


You have a marked inability to actually discuss play and grandstand on stats. I don't feel like looking the ones you conjured up either but it's nice to know that you are satisfied with inferior stats in your statistical analysis.

His stats are pathetic. This is not an intangibles player, who's value is extremely difficult to measure through stats, like Bowen.

You can like whoever you want, for whatever reason(s) you want. All I'm saying is, don't pretend he's significantly better than he is because you like him or because of a few 20 and 10's against inferior competition.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Which one is it?



His stats are pathetic. This is not an intangibles player, who's value is extremely difficult to measure through stats, like Bowen.

You can like whoever you want, for whatever reason(s) you want. All I'm saying is, don't pretend he's significantly better than he is because you like him or because of a few 20 and 10's against inferior competition.

And a gross generalization on stats. Nice. It's like your oblivious as to the entire point in using stats. You still seem woefully unable to actually discuss basketball as it is played on the court.

You are the fan version of a statpadder.

[exstatic]

And a gross generalization on stats. Nice. It's like your oblivious as to the entire point in using stats. You still seem woefully unable to actually discuss basketball as it is played on the court.

You are the fan version of a statpadder.
Dude, when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. He just completely clowned your ass by pointing out multiple contradictions in your statements in this thread.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dude, when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. He just completely clowned your ass by pointing out multiple contradictions in your statements in this thread.

It was a singular contradiction and I am willing to admit that I misspoke.

It is besides the central point as to whether or not Baynes rotation are effective. I still contend they are and he has gotten much better at not fouling in the process of doing it.

And you have about as much objectivity and insight regarding this subject as xmas does in anything at all.

[will_spurs]

lol bitter about a $1.75 million player

That kind of stuff happens in a thread discussing end of the bench players. Of course we could just all agree it doesn't matter one bit and delete this thread entirely. We Spurs fans definitely have it good when all we have to discuss is Baynes vs Ayres.

[TD 21]

And a gross generalization on stats. Nice. It's like your oblivious as to the entire point in using stats. You still seem woefully unable to actually discuss basketball as it is played on the court.

You are the fan version of a statpadder.

You can attempt to spin this however you like, but the bottom line is this: Baynes is a fringe player. If he were any more than that, they wouldn't clearly be okay with him potentially not returning, when they have plenty of flexibility and a lack a clear fourth big.

[Chinook]

If Baynes were five years younger, the Spurs would be having to fight off other teams trying to give Aron a ton of money. But the reality is that Baynes is going to be 28 in a few months. He's not some player oozing with potential. He's a guy with a decent skill-set but who suffers from fatal flaws that he most likely will never move past. He's no different than Ian Mahinmi in that regard. Ian is only a month older than Aron, by the by.

Could he be productive in a bigger role? Sure. Would the Spurs ever really miss him if he leaves? Nope. There are better bigs on the market still, and next year should be just as promising.

[SpurPadre]

If Baynes were five years younger, the Spurs would be having to fight off other teams trying to give Aron a ton of money. But the reality is that Baynes is going to be 28 in a few months. He's not some player oozing with potential. He's a guy with a decent skill-set but who suffers from fatal flaws that he most likely will never move past. He's no different than Ian Mahinmi in that regard. Ian is only a month older than Aron, by the by.

Could he be productive in a bigger role? Sure. Would the Spurs ever really miss him if he leaves? Nope. There are better bigs on the market still, and next year should be just as promising.

The Sixers are expected to waive Thabeet, Chinook. Would you rather we take him over Baynes? I'm not so sure. What do you think?

[Chinook]

The Sixers are expected to waive Thabeet, Chinook. Would you rather we take him over Baynes? I'm not so sure. What do you think?

Lol. Nope. Thabeet's a scrub. He's been hacked since Blair clowned him in college. I'd take Udoh in a heartbeat, though.

[anakha]

Lol. Nope. Thabeet's a scrub. He's been hacked since Blair clowned him in college. I'd take Udoh in a heartbeat, though.

The fact that Thabeet couldn't get off the end of the bench on a team that sorely needed help up front the past couple of seasons is very telling. Especially since he barely saw court time during Games 1 & 2 of the WCF when OKC was desperate for any big man help.

[tholdren]

If Baynes were five years younger, the Spurs would be having to fight off other teams trying to give Aron a ton of money. But the reality is that Baynes is going to be 28 in a few months. He's not some player oozing with potential. He's a guy with a decent skill-set but who suffers from fatal flaws that he most likely will never move past. He's no different than Ian Mahinmi in that regard. Ian is only a month older than Aron, by the by.

Could he be productive in a bigger role? Sure. Would the Spurs ever really miss him if he leaves? Nope. There are better bigs on the market still, and next year should be just as promising.
The age thing is a weak play. Age literally means nothing. It's a media hyped facade

[Chinook]

The age thing is a weak play. Age literally means nothing. It's a media hyped facade

:lol

[tholdren]

:lol
Please enlighten us. But forget about to and this team who some how have gotten better with age

[Chinook]

Please enlighten us. But forget about to and this team who some how have gotten better with age

Lol. The team got better because they got younger. They fell apart because they were too old.

[tholdren]

Lol. The team got better because they got younger. They fell apart because they were too old.

Not really. They fell apart because of shit players getting minutes. Tim is obviously better than a couple years ago. Saying 28 is old is ignorant. Buying into the hype is what costs teams money and rings for a tall useless young player

[Chinook]

Not really. They fell apart because of shit players getting minutes. Tim is obviously better than a couple years ago. Saying 28 is old is ignorant. Buying into the hype is what costs teams money and rings for a tall useless young player

Lol. That's why I usually just laugh. The Spurs are younger than they were three years ago. Them being young has allowed for the Big Three to be old. Anyway, Baynes isn't too old to play basketball by any means. He's just too old to be this bad at it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You can attempt to spin this however you like, but the bottom line is this: Baynes is a fringe player. If he were any more than that, they wouldn't clearly be okay with him potentially not returning, when they have plenty of flexibility and a lack a clear fourth big.

Spin it? I don't think like 'spin.' That is pop media jargon.
The Spurs offered him the qualifying offer indicating a club interest in retaining him. What is spin is claiming that you have one clue about what the Spurs would 'be fine with.' It's bullshit you are making up as the Spurs run one of the tightest ships in sports.

You have brought up blocks stats and acting like that was representative. You then brought up others stats that would be better representation and act like that is something missing from my analysis when you are the one basing your position on stats. You still seem oblivious to the significance of that as you just ignore it.

You still cannot talk about basketball as it is played on the court. You have ignored discussion about his weakside rotations, rebounding technique and shot selection.

I am interested in one of Baynes, Splitter, or Duncan being on the court to be able to make that weakside rotation and disrupt shots. Diaw, Bonner, etc are too easy to jump over. Ayres has poor quickness and even worse coordination. We have all watched the layup drills when a pairing of those last 3 are on the floor.

The competition is Ayers and I have no illusion that Baynes is going to turn into a truly dynamic player but I know that he can make that rotation, defend the pnr and post from opposing 5's and some 4's, and play a very physical, athletic brand of basketball. The biggest problem I see with him is the offense where he likes to freelance, dribble the ball a lot, and brick jumpers. Pop would pull him after drives from the high post and similar shenanigans

[TD 21]

Spin it? I don't think like 'spin.' That is pop media jargon.
The Spurs offered him the qualifying offer indicating a club interest in retaining him. What is spin is claiming that you have one clue about what the Spurs would 'be fine with.' It's bullshit you are making up as the Spurs run one of the tightest ships in sports.

You have brought up blocks stats and acting like that was representative. You then brought up others stats that would be better representation and act like that is something missing from my analysis when you are the one basing your position on stats. You still seem oblivious to the significance of that as you just ignore it.

You still cannot talk about basketball as it is played on the court. You have ignored discussion about his weakside rotations, rebounding technique and shot selection.

I am interested in one of Baynes, Splitter, or Duncan being on the court to be able to make that weakside rotation and disrupt shots. Diaw, Bonner, etc are too easy to jump over. Ayres has poor quickness and even worse coordination. We have all watched the layup drills when a pairing of those last 3 are on the floor.

The competition is Ayers and I have no illusion that Baynes is going to turn into a truly dynamic player but I know that he can make that rotation, defend the pnr and post from opposing 5's and some 4's, and play a very physical, athletic brand of basketball. The biggest problem I see with him is the offense where he likes to freelance, dribble the ball a lot, and brick jumpers. Pop would pull him after drives from the high post and similar shenanigans

If they really cared, they'd have raised their offer. It's not a matter of the tax or him wanting a significant number (though he's not worth he $1.9M he's supposedly looking for) that's going to clog their books long term.

I only brought up the block percentage because you claimed he was a shot blocker, genius. Stats, eye test, it doesn't matter; the conclusion is the same: Baynes is a fringe player. Too bad you can't handle that and are having an emotional breakdown over it.

:lol "Weakside rotations". Look at you, trying to sound intelligent. Give it up.

[spurraider21]

Lol. Nope. Thabeet's a scrub. He's been hacked since Blair clowned him in college. I'd take Udoh in a heartbeat, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FBLqgFbymc

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If they really cared, they'd have raised their offer. It's not a matter of the tax or him wanting a significant number (though he's not worth he $1.9M he's supposedly looking for) that's going to clog their books long term.

I only brought up the block percentage because you claimed he was a shot blocker, genius. Stats, eye test, it doesn't matter; the conclusion is the same: Baynes is a fringe player. Too bad you can't handle that and are having an emotional breakdown over it.

:lol "Weakside rotations". Look at you, trying to sound intelligent. Give it up.

It's called using an empirical approach and actually discuss basketball as its played on the court. It's funny watching people try and attach an emotional meaning to this. Projection is interesting.

[ElNono]

I can't blame him for trying to cash in on his NBA experience.

I would like him back for a couple more seasons, even if he ends up being a limited talent. He now has about 1.5 seasons under his belt and players coming from overseas normally take a couple of seasons to adjust to the NBA.

Right now he's 'serviceable' and he's useful against certain matchups (OKC, Portland), especially when Tiago is in foul trouble, due to his length. He's also unlikely to move to a 'great player' tier, which is fine for a team like the Spurs.

[SpurPadre]

Lol. Nope. Thabeet's a scrub. He's been hacked since Blair clowned him in college. I'd take Udoh in a heartbeat, though.

Is it really that funny to think that Thabeet, who's always had an nba job since being drafted, might be less of a scrub than a guy in Baynes who didn't come into the league until his mid 20s and barely sniffs garbage time for all that time? Hyperbole much? Yes, I'd rather keep Baynes ultimately but let's take our homer glasses off and not hold it against thabeet mainly for having been a thunder player.

[Chinook]

Is it really that funny to think that Thabeet, who's always had an nba job since being drafted, might be less of a scrub than a guy in Baynes who didn't come into the league until his mid 20s and barely sniffs garbage time for all that time? Hyperbole much? Yes, I'd rather keep Baynes ultimately but let's take our homer glasses off and not hold it against thabeet mainly for having been a thunder player.

Thabeet's gotten plenty of playing time on different teams to show he sucks. Baynes has gotten a little playing time and shown himself to be a serviceable low-ceiling player. I'll take Baynes' dead-end mediocrity over Thabeet's straight-up horrid play.

By the way, it doesn't matter that he played for the Thunder. He's been so insignificant in his career, that I don't even associate him with a team.

You sound like the guys who were trying to convince me that trading Danny Green for Evan Turner last season would be a no-brainer.

[cd021]

The age thing is a weak play. Age literally means nothing. It's a media hyped facade

27 year old prospects aren't really prospects. He is probably what he is at this point. He can improve in certain areas, sure, but its not going to be leaps and bounds better.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Please enlighten us. But forget about to and this team who some how have gotten better with age

But, we've been getting younger. Edit: too late.

[SnakeBoy]

What's going on with Aron Baynes' contract situation?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/whats-going-aron-baynes-contract-160142988.html

[SpurPadre]

Thabeet's gotten plenty of playing time on different teams to show he sucks. Baynes has gotten a little playing time and shown himself to be a serviceable low-ceiling player. I'll take Baynes' dead-end mediocrity over Thabeet's straight-up horrid play.

By the way, it doesn't matter that he played for the Thunder. He's been so insignificant in his career, that I don't even associate him with a team.

You sound like the guys who were trying to convince me that trading Danny Green for Evan Turner last season would be a no-brainer.

Come on, Chinook, give me a little more credit. And how about some reading comprehension? I clearly mentioned I'd rather have Baynes. Oh well, I still respect your basketball insight.

[Chinook]

Come on, Chinook, give me a little more credit. And how about some reading comprehension? I clearly mentioned I'd rather have Baynes. Oh well, I still respect your basketball insight.

What did I misunderstand? I mean, you said that you'd prefer Baynes. But Thabeet sucks. No one is holding OKC against him, save for the fact that he sucked there as well when they really needed big men.

[tholdren]

But, we've been getting younger. Edit: too late.

The guys who win the games haven't been getting younger

[littlecoyotecoin]

The guys who win the games haven't been getting younger

They all win the games.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

27 year old prospects aren't really prospects. He is probably what he is at this point. He can improve in certain areas, sure, but its not going to be leaps and bounds better.

That's fair although one thing that is commonly developed in the later stages of players careers is their jumpshot. His form looks nice but he cannot hit them for shit in the NBA to this point. It's a huge reason why his FG% is so low. Because he keeps missing that open jumper even when wide open he presses in the high post. He should never ever be trying to drive the lane on a set defender. As it was he must've gotten one nice looking dunk and a half dozen turnovers emulating MJ.

If Baynes can hit his jumper consistently, it would transform his offensive game. He needs to play a lot better in the high post.

[cd021]

That's fair although one thing that is commonly developed in the later stages of players careers is their jumpshot. His form looks nice but he cannot hit them for shit in the NBA to this point. It's a huge reason why his FG% is so low. Because he keeps missing that open jumper even when wide open he presses in the high post. He should never ever be trying to drive the lane on a set defender. As it was he must've gotten one nice looking dunk and a half dozen turnovers emulating MJ.

If Baynes can hit his jumper consistently, it would transform his offensive game. He needs to play a lot better in the high post.

That is the thing that intrigue me about his game ,is his jumper. He does have a soft touch but according to basketball reference he has only hit 19% of his shots from 10-16 feet. Those shots add up to 18% of his field goal attempts.

It would be a plus if he can improve upon his jumper, that or be more selective in taking jumpers (similar to Diaw). He can stand to improve upon his finishing at the rim where he only hit 56% of his shots from 0-3 feet (the league average is about 66%) That number should rise if he plays the majority of his minutes at backup C where he can benefit from Manu, Beli, and Diaws passing ability.

[tholdren]

They all win the games.
not really

[tholdren]

That's fair although one thing that is commonly developed in the later stages of players careers is their jumpshot. His form looks nice but he cannot hit them for shit in the NBA to this point. It's a huge reason why his FG% is so low. Because he keeps missing that open jumper even when wide open he presses in the high post. He should never ever be trying to drive the lane on a set defender. As it was he must've gotten one nice looking dunk and a half dozen turnovers emulating MJ.

If Baynes can hit his jumper consistently, it would transform his offensive game. He needs to play a lot better in the high post.

dont care about his jumper. care about a hard fouler on defense and an offensive rebounder. have to intimidate and make the other bigs work on defense. they sure as hell arent scared of or work hard on defense against splitter

[Chinook]

Intimidation is overrated. Lock n Lock don't intimidate their men at all. They just shut them down. Same with Splitter and Duncan. Baynes is pretty much only useful for pissing off Dwight Howard. Besides that, he has to play well to earn minutes.

[ceperez]

Miroslav Raduljica has been waived.... anyone have opinions on this center?

[ElNono]

Intimidation is overrated. Lock n Lock don't intimidate their men at all. They just shut them down. Same with Splitter and Duncan. Baynes is pretty much only useful for pissing off Dwight Howard. Besides that, he has to play well to earn minutes.

Don't sell him short, he gave us good minutes against Portland...

[Chinook]

Don't sell him short, he gave us good minutes against Portland...

Because he played well. The only time he just has to be big and strong out there is against Howard. Besides that, his minutes are determined by how well he does when he's out there.

[DrSteffo]

Pretending that depth and chemistry within the team is not important is kind of silly after this season tbh.

[bigfan]

Was just reading on espn today about the Australian national team and some very positive comments about Baynes' play in the warmup games. Good for Baynes, bad for Spurs methinks.

[Chinook]

Was just reading on espn today about the Australian national team and some very positive comments about Baynes' play in the warmup games. Good for Baynes, bad for Spurs methinks.

There's no downside to Baynes playing well.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/08/24/report-baynes-hopes-to-return-but-is-exploring-overseas-options/

Spurs should just pay the guy the extra 1mil. You aren't going to get a player as good as Baynes for that price anyways at this point. Spurs still have the BAE so they should just use it to sign him. He was valuable against Lopez and Adams in the Spurs run this past season.

[Chinook]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/08/24/report-baynes-hopes-to-return-but-is-exploring-overseas-options/

Spurs should just pay the guy the extra 1mil. You aren't going to get a player as good as Baynes for that price anyways at this point. Spurs still have the BAE so they should just use it to sign him. He was valuable against Lopez and Adams in the Spurs run this past season.

The Spurs don't need the LLE to keep Baynes. They have his early Bird rights. They can give him a contract worth up to the full MLE.

[cd021]

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[Chinook]

Lol "determined".

[velik_m]

Looks like he injured himself...