so ray rice will only miss 2 games for tiger uppercutting his wife

[Trill Clinton]

but josh gordon is out a year for smoking some weed???http://i61.tinypic.com/2ro2qhi.png

[The Gemini Method]

Justice ain't fair it seems...definitely okay to beat your girl but if you spark a blunt twice you're outta here!

[MeloHype]

Gordon is a repeat offender in the NFL & in college

[DD]

Gordon is a repeat offender in the NFL & in college

/thread

[The Gemini Method]

Gordon is a repeat offender in the NFL & in college And? So you're saying a spouse abuser is less a detriment than someone who likes to get baked? Even if he's a repeat offender, he is less a harm to the image than someone who viciously beat someone and dragged them on tape. Especially with the league at times pushing an initiative on woman's rights and support of woman causes like breast cancer and equality in sports.

[Trill Clinton]

The NFL's system for suspending players is broken. You know it, I know it, anyone with a functional brain knows it.
That's the only conclusion that can be drawn from Baltimore Raven running back Ray Rice (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/player/ray-rice/535267) reportedly receiving a two-game suspension for knocking out his fiancee and then dragging her unconscious body outside a casino elevator. Hell, the casino probably has a more stringent punishment for Rice than the NFL. They probably won't let him come back and gamble.
Maybe we're being unkind to Rice here. I mean, there's probably a perfectly reasonable explanation for how he managed to knock out his fiancee accidentally. Plus, it's not like there was video of the incident.
Wait, there was?
Oh.
Well, let's wait for the court system to render its full judgment before we act. Wait, the courts already did that too?
Ray Rice is lucky he didn't call his wife a gay slur while she was knocked out. Because then the NFL really would have been mad. He might not play this season. Based on the precedent the Minnesota Vikings set with Mike Preifer, he certainly would have missed more games for merely uttering a gay slur than for knocking out a woman.
What if Rice had paused while dragging his wife's body out of the elevator and sent a mean text or tweet, then the NFL would have really laid down the law, too. Remember mean words are much worse than mean acts. Or, God forbid, imagine if Ray Rice had gotten free tattoos at Rutgers and the NFL found out about it. Then, like Terrelle Pryor (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/player/terrelle-pryor/1300112), he might have faced a five-game NFL suspension. Hell, Pryor could have knocked out two women and only missed four games.
And don't even get me started on the NFL's absurd drug-testing policy suspensions. If you smoke too much weed you can miss an entire NFL season. That's the equivalent of knocking out eight women. (Ten if your team advances deep in the playoffs). How in the world is it eight times as bad to smoke too much weed as it is to knock out a woman? Is there any person on earth who agrees with these disparate punishments? Keep in mind, weed is not even a performance enhancing substance, it makes you worse at the game. Here's what the NFL's drug policy should be -- use any drugs you want if they don't improve player performance. That's your risk, we don't care. But that's another column, this one is about stupidity, the NFL's in particular. Somehow we've reached the point where violent acts are much less severely punished than mean words or texts or tattoos or bad jokes about gay people during practices.
How? How in the world did we get to a place where the NFL conducts a rigorous investigation of Richie Incognito's (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/player/richie-incognito/300011) text messages, but lets a player knock out his fiancee and barely lifts a finger? Where Josh Gordon (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/player/1360586/1360586) faces a season-long suspension for smoking too much weed, but violent felons are free to play with limited punishment. Ray Rice is the flashpoint today, but this isn't so much about Ray Rice as it is the NFL's untenable position on punishments for violence. It's an upside down NFL world. Violence against women is acceptable, words or non-violent acts are often unacceptable. It's an infuriating and stupid and indefensible double standard, the exact opposite of what should happen. Violent acts should be punished infinitely more severely than non-violent acts or words.
How can a multi-billion dollar league get it this wrong? How can a team like the Baltimore Ravens (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team/baltimore-ravens/67065) hold a press conference for Rice and his then-victim, now wife, to discuss the incident and be so tone deaf? Did they really let her accept blame for being knocked out? Was she armed with five guns, eight throwing stars, two machetes, and a pair of nunchucks? No? So what fear did Ray Rice really have that his fiancee was going to hurt him? Ray Rice makes a living getting hit by NFL linebackers, you think he couldn't subdue a 110 pound woman's anger without knocking her out? For that matter, how can any dad walk a woman down the aisle and give her away for marriage to a man who knocked her out? Because that happened too. You want to know why the NFL thinks it can get away with a two game suspension for a violent act against a woman? Because we let it happen every day in this country.
Imagine what our society might look like if we condemned violence against women like we condemn racism or homophobia. America would look a lot different. So would the NFL. Unfortunately, right now in the NFL you're better off hitting a woman than smoking weed or making a bad joke. Why is this true? Because, ultimately, the NFL is just reflecting our own national priorities. Amazingly, in 21st century America violence against women is more socially acceptable than bad jokes. And ultimately, that's our fault, not the NFL's.

the ether

[rayray2k8]

Gordon is a repeat offender in the NFL & in college

Pretty much what it comes down to and is a first time offender.. But if Rice decides to KO his wife again, I'm sure the next suspension would be much more severe. Won't matter since Baltimore will probably be looking to look for another RB in the future.

[rayray2k8]

And? So you're saying a spouse abuser is less a detriment than someone who likes to get baked? Even if he's a repeat offender, he is less a harm to the image than someone who viciously beat someone and dragged them on tape. Especially with the league at times pushing an initiative on woman's rights and support of woman causes like breast cancer and equality in sports.

If that's the case, then you might as well have an issue with our justice system since Rice avoided standing trial because prosecutors approved him for a pre-trial intervention program designed for first-time offenders.. The system itself is also far from perfect, but there's a lot of things that went into consideration before the NFL handed down the suspension. Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying what Rice did, what I'm saying is that based on Rice owning up to what he did, the counseling and cooperation with Goodell, it most likely reduced the suspension. Now had the wife not been as supportive and actually pressed charges on Rice as well as Rice not be cooperative with authorities, the courts and the NFL. I'm certain his suspension would have been longer. If anything, I was ready to hear them say he was gonna miss half the season and both Rice and the Ravens were preparing for that.

[The Gemini Method]

If that's the case, then you might as well have an issue with our justice system since Rice avoided standing trial because prosecutors approved him for a pre-trial intervention program designed for first-time offenders.. The system itself is also far from perfect, but there's a lot of things that went into consideration before the NFL handed down the suspension. Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying what Rice did, what I'm saying is that based on Rice owning up to what he did, the counseling and cooperation with Goodell, it most likely reduced the suspension. Now had the wife not been as supportive and actually pressed charges on Rice as well as Rice not be cooperative with authorities, the courts and the NFL. I'm certain his suspension would have been longer. If anything, I was ready to hear them say he was gonna miss half the season and both Rice and the Ravens were preparing for that. The legal system wasn't right in what they did. I will guarantee you if it were one of us we wouldn't have the privilege of a pre-trial program. Because of fame and it was inequality at its best. I have a qualm over the league preaching and trying to bring in the female viewership and portray a female friendly league then turn around and go easy. Got lucky and probably for the reasons you stated.

[rayray2k8]

The legal system wasn't right in what they did. I will guarantee you if it were one of us we wouldn't have the privilege of a pre-trial program. Because of fame and it was inequality at its best. I have a qualm over the league preaching and trying to bring in the female viewership and portray a female friendly league then turn around and go easy. Got lucky and probably for the reasons you stated.

You're right, he did get special treatment there and Rice DEFINITELY got lucky with the slap in the hand he got from the NFL. The majority of the raven fans were expecting him to be suspended for at least half the season. If anything, he should have been suspended for that much imo.
But he'll have to live with what he did not only for the rest of his life, but also hear it from fans across the NFL.

[benefactor]

The NFL's system for suspending players is broken. You know it, I know it, anyone with a functional brain knows it.
That's the only conclusion that can be drawn from Baltimore Raven running back Ray Rice (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/player/ray-rice/535267) reportedly receiving a two-game suspension for knocking out his fiancee and then dragging her unconscious body outside a casino elevator. Hell, the casino probably has a more stringent punishment for Rice than the NFL. They probably won't let him come back and gamble.
Maybe we're being unkind to Rice here. I mean, there's probably a perfectly reasonable explanation for how he managed to knock out his fiancee accidentally. Plus, it's not like there was video of the incident.
Wait, there was?
Oh.
Well, let's wait for the court system to render its full judgment before we act. Wait, the courts already did that too?
Ray Rice is lucky he didn't call his wife a gay slur while she was knocked out. Because then the NFL really would have been mad. He might not play this season. Based on the precedent the Minnesota Vikings set with Mike Preifer, he certainly would have missed more games for merely uttering a gay slur than for knocking out a woman.
What if Rice had paused while dragging his wife's body out of the elevator and sent a mean text or tweet, then the NFL would have really laid down the law, too. Remember mean words are much worse than mean acts. Or, God forbid, imagine if Ray Rice had gotten free tattoos at Rutgers and the NFL found out about it. Then, like Terrelle Pryor (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/player/terrelle-pryor/1300112), he might have faced a five-game NFL suspension. Hell, Pryor could have knocked out two women and only missed four games.
And don't even get me started on the NFL's absurd drug-testing policy suspensions. If you smoke too much weed you can miss an entire NFL season. That's the equivalent of knocking out eight women. (Ten if your team advances deep in the playoffs). How in the world is it eight times as bad to smoke too much weed as it is to knock out a woman? Is there any person on earth who agrees with these disparate punishments? Keep in mind, weed is not even a performance enhancing substance, it makes you worse at the game. Here's what the NFL's drug policy should be -- use any drugs you want if they don't improve player performance. That's your risk, we don't care. But that's another column, this one is about stupidity, the NFL's in particular. Somehow we've reached the point where violent acts are much less severely punished than mean words or texts or tattoos or bad jokes about gay people during practices.
How? How in the world did we get to a place where the NFL conducts a rigorous investigation of Richie Incognito's (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/player/richie-incognito/300011) text messages, but lets a player knock out his fiancee and barely lifts a finger? Where Josh Gordon (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/player/1360586/1360586) faces a season-long suspension for smoking too much weed, but violent felons are free to play with limited punishment. Ray Rice is the flashpoint today, but this isn't so much about Ray Rice as it is the NFL's untenable position on punishments for violence. It's an upside down NFL world. Violence against women is acceptable, words or non-violent acts are often unacceptable. It's an infuriating and stupid and indefensible double standard, the exact opposite of what should happen. Violent acts should be punished infinitely more severely than non-violent acts or words.
How can a multi-billion dollar league get it this wrong? How can a team like the Baltimore Ravens (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team/baltimore-ravens/67065) hold a press conference for Rice and his then-victim, now wife, to discuss the incident and be so tone deaf? Did they really let her accept blame for being knocked out? Was she armed with five guns, eight throwing stars, two machetes, and a pair of nunchucks? No? So what fear did Ray Rice really have that his fiancee was going to hurt him? Ray Rice makes a living getting hit by NFL linebackers, you think he couldn't subdue a 110 pound woman's anger without knocking her out? For that matter, how can any dad walk a woman down the aisle and give her away for marriage to a man who knocked her out? Because that happened too. You want to know why the NFL thinks it can get away with a two game suspension for a violent act against a woman? Because we let it happen every day in this country.
Imagine what our society might look like if we condemned violence against women like we condemn racism or homophobia. America would look a lot different. So would the NFL. Unfortunately, right now in the NFL you're better off hitting a woman than smoking weed or making a bad joke. Why is this true? Because, ultimately, the NFL is just reflecting our own national priorities. Amazingly, in 21st century America violence against women is more socially acceptable than bad jokes. And ultimately, that's our fault, not the NFL's.

the ether
Damn...dude went in with the truth nukes.

[benefactor]

http://www.thedrawplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2014-05-31-Weedrules-510x1024.png

[spurraider21]

tbh thank god ray rice is black or else Trill would be having a hissy-fit

[spurraider21]

:cry racist league gives Rice 2 games for beating his fiance, gives Incognito an indefinite suspension for bullying :cry

[Avante]

There is a big difference between things done out of passion compared to the planned. We've all had that moment where you've done something stupid without thinking. Doing drugs is not like that, not that later on you realize how stupid it was.

Rice, is a cool guy who simply blew it. Josh Gordon is a fucking moron

[ColinB]

There is a big difference between things done out of passion compared to the planned. We've all had that moment where you've done something stupid without thinking. Doing drugs is not like that, not that later on you realize how stupid it was.

Rice, is a cool guy who simply blew it. Josh Gordon is a fucking moron

This is such a stupid post, holy shit.

Sorry old man, a lot of us haven't beat their wife out of passion.

[Avante]

This is such a stupid post, holy shit.

Sorry old man, a lot of us haven't beat their wife out of passion.

Why not head off to Google and type in....spousel abuse....ok? It's real obvious you have your headed planted two feet up your ass. You might wanna try and talk about things ya know about slugger...ok?

And, if you try and sell...."I'm always in total control and have never done anything stupid because of emotions"...I'm calling you a liar.

Hell, I 'll do this for your dumb ass.
Domestic violence (also known as intimate partner violence) can happen to anyone, regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, income, or other factors.
The Victims



One in 4 women will experience domestic violence during her lifetime.
Women experience more than 4 million physical assaults and rapes because of their partners, and men are victims of nearly 3 million physical assaults.
Women are more likely to be killed by an intimate partner than men
Women ages 20 to 24 are at greatest risk of becoming victims of domestic violence.
Every year, 1 in 3 women who is a victim of homicide is murdered by her current or former partner.



Now you should feel stupid, because you sure look it.

[ColinB]

What point are you trying to make? If he raped or murdered her then it is okay because the statistics say that is common?

And yeah you're right, I know nothing of spousal abuse because I am not a low life sack of shit.

[Avante]

What point are you trying to make? If he raped or murdered her then it is okay because the statistics say that is common?

And yeah you're right, I know nothing of spousal abuse because I am not a low life sack of shit.

Do you think at all before posting? You have any idea at all about this topic? Do you really think it takes a.....a low life sack of shit.....to blow it? Don't get out much do ya slick?

Why no have some knowledge of things before ya run your big fucking mouth, ok asshole?

[ColinB]

I am well aware of the sad fact that domestic abuse is a common occurrence in today's world. Hell, it was prevalent in my own household growing up. That said, I am certainly not going to defend a grown man who knocks out his wife, whether you feel it is the norm or not. And certainly not with an excuse like it was done out of passion. Go fuck yourself.

[Avante]

I am well aware of the sad fact that domestic abuse is a common occurrence in today's world. Hell, it was prevalent in my own household growing up. That said, I am certainly not going to defend a grown man who knocks out his wife, whether you feel it is the norm or not. And certainly not with an excuse like it was done out of passion. Go fuck yourself.

Dude, who said anything at all about...the norm? Fuck no hitting a woman is not the norm...ok ya dumb fuck? But....it does happen all the time and a huge % of the time is an isolated/one time deal done out of passion for the moment. You have done stupid shit, one is telling me to go fuck myself, something you wouldn't do if I were standing in front of you.

Ray Rice is not some thug, he made a mistake and it's over now. Only some moron like you woudn't see this.

[benefactor]

So we can add woman beater to Avantes resume' now. Makes sense tbh. Fake tough guys usually beat up women.

[Trill Clinton]

http://www.thedrawplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2014-05-31-Weedrules-510x1024.png



:lol

tbh thank god ray rice is black or else Trill would be having a hissy-fit


:cry racist league gives Rice 2 games for beating his fiance, gives Incognito an indefinite suspension for bullying :cry

yo you need to chill.

[johnsmith]

:lol




yo you need to chill.

He's got a really good point though.

[johnsmith]

So avante is ok with beating your wife as long as it's a one time deal.

[Trill Clinton]

He's got a really good point though.

no he doesn't.

[JoeTait75]

One has nothing to do with the other. You can argue that Rice's suspension was too leniant without bringing Josh Gordon into it at all.

BTW, Gordon is only being suspended. In a lot of other professions if you fail a drug test you get fired. So in a way he's getting off relatively easy.

[johnsmith]

no he doesn't.

You can't have it both ways...you can't CONSTANTLY cry racism and then not expect any backlash for it when something like this occurs. He has a point...whether you agree or not doesn't really matter.

[Trill Clinton]

You can't have it both ways...you can't CONSTANTLY cry racism and then not expect any backlash for it when something like this occurs. He has a point...whether you agree or not doesn't really matter.

his point is moot. ray uppercutting his fiance has nothing to do with racism.

i keep it consistent. when i see racism, i call it out(jordan dunn, icognito, sterling). only people upset about it are white supremacists but i don't really care how they feel.

[Trill Clinton]

lets try not to derail the thread on personal vendetta's, please. thnx.

[DD]

Pretty obvious that someone was hoping to have Josh Gordon as their keeper

[spurraider21]

his point is moot. ray uppercutting his fiance has nothing to do with racism.

i keep it consistent. when i see racism, i call it out(jordan dunn, icognito, sterling). only people upset about it are white supremacists but i don't really care how they feel.
is armenian considered white? geographically speaking its middle eastern. but you can view it as race based... the black dude getting off easy while the white guy got the hammer. fwiw i dont actually buy it, im just making a point.

if a black dude got an indefinite suspension for bullying a white guy youd say the white guy was a soft, geeky nerd... and if a white guy soon after got 2 games for woman-beating youd put some upset deadspin face

[johnsmith]

lets try not to derail the thread on personal vendetta's, please. thnx.

Lol...whatever dork.

[chunticakes]

So avante is ok with beating your wife as long as it's a one time deal.

as long as you do it passionately. therein lines the key.

[Avante]

So we can add woman beater to Avantes resume' now. Makes sense tbh. Fake tough guys usually beat up women.

You must have missed all those times I've said.....ya treat the ladies with respect......little guy. No way in hell I've ever been around any situation where I had to get rough with a female. I don't live in that world.

So wrong as usual. I'd put here in a bear hug/run away if I had to. I could never hit a woman, never!

[Clipper Nation]

So avante is ok with beating your wife as long as it's a one time deal.
Wouldn't expect any less from him, considering what he did in Olongopo....

Cue the "you don't know about sailors in a foreign country blah blah blah" rant that only serves to underscore his guilty conscience....

[Thebesteva]

******s gonna nig

[AaronY]

tbh thank god ray rice is black or else Trill would be having a hissy-fit

Yeah, thats the first thing I thought. I was confused about why he was even posting this as I didn't see a race angle here

[Dick Jones]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/ray-rice-earns-big-cheers-from-baltimore-ravens-fans-at-training-camp-120025043.html

not surprising from Baltimore fans tbh

[DJR210]

Mike and Mike had that dude Adolpho or whatever from the League on, and he successfully ducked all the questions with the typical responses. You suspend a guy 4 games for taking fertility drugs to get his wife pregnant, this fool beats his wife on camera and gets nearly nothing.

The NFL is trying to justify using the amount of money he loses by not playing those two games as the real punishment.

[The Gemini Method]

Ray Rice Fight Academy or Ray Rice Uppercut...hmmm

[Darth_Pelican]

:flipoff

Roger Goodell defends Ray Rice ban

Updated: August 1, 2014, 2:41 PM ET
ESPN.com news services

Goodell Defends Rice Suspension

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell defended the NFL's two-game suspension of Ravens RB Ray Rice.Tags: NFL (http://search.espn.go.com/nfl/video/6), Ray Rice (http://search.espn.go.com/ray-rice/video/6), Baltimore Ravens (http://search.espn.go.com/baltimore-ravens/video/6)

Roger Goodell defended the NFL's two-game suspension of Ray Rice (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11289/ray-rice), saying that domestic violence is "not acceptable" but emphasizing that the length of the ban is "consistent" with other punishments issued by the league.
Goodell spoke Friday at the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio, addressing the media for the first time since the NFL announced Rice's controversial suspension last week.

"We have a very firm policy that domestic violence is not acceptable in the NFL, and there are consequences for that," the commissioner said. "Obviously, when we are going through the process of evaluating an issue and whether there will be discipline, you look at all of the facts that are available to us."
Goodell also fielded multiple questions about the widespread public reaction to the length of Rice's suspension, which has been criticized as lenient compared to other NFL suspensions for substance abuse and off-field incidents.
"We have to remain consistent," he said. "We can't just make up the discipline. It has be consistent with other cases, and it was in this matter."
Goodell was asked about the length of Rice's suspension in contrast to the four-game ban that Steelers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-steelers) quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5536/ben-roethlisberger) received in 2010 for violating the league's personal-conduct policy.
Citing Rice's previously unblemished track record, Goodell reiterated that the NFL considers a player's history when determining the length of personal-conduct suspensions.
"If it's their first offense, someone who has had a strong background of being very responsible in the community and doing the right things and not violating either policies or anything else that would reflect poorly on the NFL, then we take that into account," Goodell said. "When there's a pattern, we also take that into account on the other side."

[+] Enlargehttp://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0326/nfl_a_goodell_kh_300x200.jpg (http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0326/nfl_a_goodell_kh_600x400.jpg)AP Photo/John RaouxNFL commissioner Roger Goodell defended the length of Ray Rice's suspension, saying that the league is "consistent" in its punishment.


Goodell also dismissed the idea that Rice's ban was short compared to drug-related suspensions, which he attributed to the league's collective bargaining agreement.
"You've got to deal with the facts, OK?" he said. "Now when we have a drug program that's collectively bargained, and it has a step process, it takes four incidents before you actually reach a suspension in a drug-related case. So you have to respond to facts here.
"You know, you have a lot of people voicing their opinions, but I think it's important to understand that this is a young man who made a terrible mistake. [The suspension] is inconsistent with what we're all about and we've dealt with it in a serious manner and we're very confident that this young man understands where he is and what he needs to do going forward."
Rice was arrested on Feb. 15, when he allegedly struck then-fiancée Janay Palmer unconscious during an altercation at an Atlantic City hotel. Video surfaced online showing Rice dragging an apparently unconscious Palmer out of an elevator. The couple has since married.
Rice pleaded not guilty to a third-degree charge of aggravated assault and avoided trial by being accepted into a pretrial intervention program in May. The NFL announced last Thursday that Rice would be suspended for the first two games of the upcoming regular season and fined three game checks.
"I take into account all of the information before I make a decision on what the discipline will be," Goodell said. "In this case, there was no discipline by the criminal justice system.
"They put him in that diversionary program, and I had seen Ray after that. I had the opportunity to hear from him, hear from his wife and hear from other people that he had brought into the hearing process, and I put all of that together to make a decision."
Rice took questions for the first time since the incident on Thursday, apologizing to his wife and all women affected by domestic violence.
"I made the biggest mistake of my life," the Baltimore Ravens (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravens) running back said. "My actions that night were totally inexcusable."
Goodell praised Rice for taking responsibility for his actions.
"I was also very impressed with Ray in the sense that Ray is not only accepting the issue and saying I was wrong, but he is saying I want to make a powerful difference in this area," Goodell said. "I think you heard from him yesterday -- he's a young man who really understands the mistake he made and he's bound and determined to make a difference."

[Darth_Pelican]

Keith Olbermann calls for the resignation of Roger Goodell:

fiSF3AR698I

[DD]

Piers Olbermann is insuferrable

[MeloHype]

505064960511455232

[Silver&Black]

Ray Rice has the best timing ever...or the NFL has the worst.

[DD]

Ray Rice has the best timing ever...or the NFL has the worst.

Goodell with the master trolljob tbh

[Silver&Black]

Goodell with the master trolljob tbh

Never have words been so true....

[Chinook]

Not that I disagree with the new rules. I mean, just don't go around abusing people, and it's all good. But they better mean that you have to be convicted of domestic violence to get the ban. Too often, these cases remain in a gray area where neither guilt nor innocence is really established. Rice's case never went to trial. So technically, he wasn't convicted of anything. Sure, there was a video and all that, but that's rare in these cases.

Supposedly Terrell Suggs had a similar issue a few years ago with his then-girlfriend (now-wife). He threw something on her (gasoline, maybe?). Case never went to court, and Suggs was not disciplined by the league. How would today's NFL handle it? If they suspend so harshly based on mere suspicion, they may well find themselves in a lot of legal trouble.

[Chinook]

Ray Rice has the best timing ever...or the NFL has the worst.

It has nothing to do with timing. Goodell did this because of the Rice incident. Had Ray snuffed out the cameras first, no one would be questioning the NFL's policies regarding domestic violence.

[The Gemini Method]

It has nothing to do with timing. Goodell did this because of the Rice incident. Had Ray snuffed out the cameras first, no one would be questioning the NFL's policies regarding domestic violence.

I'm not sure that is entirely true. It may be the straw that broke Goodell's back, but it wasn't like the actions of many other players beginning to push for a change in penalties or the creation of stiffer penalties. Because you have Aldon Smith, Greg Hardy, the many actions of Kenny Britt, and whatnot. It would've eventually been an issue that couldn't be denied. It was just the outrage over the Ray Rice's situation that proved to be the push.

[DD]

OT, but I wanna say that up until 2008 or so you were legally allowed to rape your wife if you were in the military (on leave or whatnot).

[Chinook]

I'm not sure that is entirely true. It may be the straw that broke Goodell's back, but it wasn't like the actions of many other players beginning to push for a change in penalties or the creation of stiffer penalties. Because you have Aldon Smith, Greg Hardy, the many actions of Kenny Britt, and whatnot. It would've eventually been an issue that couldn't be denied. It was just the outrage over the Ray Rice's situation that proved to be the push.

Yeah. And in today's league, Rice would not have hit Palmer at all. Something else may well have broken this open, but I think the fact that Rice was caught on video is what forced change, even if the video is more inconclusive than people realize.

[DD]

Oh it was pretty conclusive alright...my compubox had Ray winning det one

[The Gemini Method]

Yeah. And in today's league, Rice would not have hit Palmer at all. Something else may well have broken this open, but I think the fact that Rice was caught on video is what forced change, even if the video is more inconclusive than people realize.

I'm thinking, though, along what you're saying and what if Roger gave Ray a 6-8 game suspension? Would that have quelled the domestic abuse banter? Now, the definition remains to be seen--what constitutes domestic abuse? Is this towards females? What about beating up some dude in the club? How about DUI? I mean, the Jovan Belcher incident didn't move the NFL so to see this happen could be something that changes the league's stance on a multitude of things like the whole pot smoking rules and whatnot.

[Chinook]

I'm thinking, though, along what you're saying and what if Roger gave Ray a 6-8 game suspension? Would that have quelled the domestic abuse banter? Now, the definition remains to be seen--what constitutes domestic abuse? Is this towards females? What about beating up some dude in the club? How about DUI? I mean, the Jovan Belcher incident didn't move the NFL so to see this happen could be something that changes the league's stance on a multitude of things like the whole pot smoking rules and whatnot.

Doubt it. The league only care about this because enough people are complaining about it. The world is pretty topsy-turvy right now with the way rights theory is being applied. People don't care about the world becoming fair. They just care about their interests being dominant.

[The Gemini Method]

Doubt it. The league only care about this because enough people are complaining about it. The world is pretty topsy-turvy right now with the way rights theory is being applied. People don't care about the world becoming fair. They just care about their interests being dominant.

That is sadly true. Fuck the 80's being the 'me' generation--this is by far the time to get your cause out in the air.