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tlongII
07-24-2014, 02:25 PM
Personally I wouldn't, but there are compelling arguments for it.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/23/opinion/sutter-dog-meat-ethics/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


(CNN) -- The dog photos are difficult to view.

Of course.

They show man's best friend being stuffed into wire cages and trucked, illegally, across borders in Southeast Asia. The destination: restaurants in Vietnam.

That thought alone -- that someone would sit in a public restaurant and order dog from a menu -- is likely enough to get most "dog people" to stop reading this column, much less look at the photo essay featured this week by CNN's photo blog.

Here in the Untied States, we will spend $58.5 billion on pets this year, according to one industry projection. We pamper dogs with Christmas presents; send them to "doggie daycare"; bring them on planes (more than 2 million pets and animals fly per year); and trot them around show rings, judging the perfection of their pedigree.

Eat them?

Unthinkable. Repulsive. Cruel.

We don't even consider it.

The images featured on the CNN Photo Blog take viewers inside Southeast Asia's illegal dog-meat trade. Shot by Luke Duggleby, who traveled to Thailand, Laos and Vietnam for the story, they're well worth your attention. He documents a trade that is estimated to include hundreds of thousands of dogs per year.

The 36-year-old was born in the U.K. and has been living in Thailand for eight years. He told me in an e-mail interview that he considers himself a "dog person" -- "I got an English sheepdog for my fourth birthday and called him Tom" -- and that made it difficult to see the gruesome realities of this trade, which is illegal in Thailand because the exporters aren't paying taxes or getting the dogs vaccinated.

"The dogs are illegally smuggled out of Thailand -- that is the illegal part," he said. "They pay no tax or duty. The dogs aren't vaccinated nor do they undergo quarantine. But once they get to Laos they are legally allowed to travel ... on the way to Vietnam, as the officials aren't interested in it. And once in Vietnam no part of it is illegal."

In a slaughterhouse, "the dogs were beaten to death in front of me," he said.

I fear you'll see Duggleby's photos and think only one thing: How awful that people in Vietnam would eat these loveable, intelligent animals. You'll do what I did, which is to imagine your dog, or your childhood dog, in one of these cages.




You won't think about the bigger picture.

Which is this: The cruelty of this trade -- the fact that dogs are smashed into cages; suffocated; "skinned alive, strung up and beaten," according to a CNN report -- is what should shock and sadden you. The fact that people are eating dog meat? That shouldn't. Unless you're vegetarian or vegan -- I'm not, by the way, although I do try to eat relatively little meat -- you don't have any moral high ground to stand on. Here in the United States, a place with an unhealthy and ridiculously hipster bacon obsession (witness: bacon donuts, bacon pie, bacon in bloody marys), eating dog could be seen as a reasonable alternative to pig, which is another highly intelligent animal, capable of being a companion to the likes of George Clooney.

The United States euthanizes 1.2 million dogs per year, according to the ASPCA.

Would eating them be so different?

It actually could be seen as helpful.

"[U]nlike all farmed meat, which requires the creation and maintenance of animals, dogs are practically begging to be eaten," Jonathan Safran Foer, a vegetarian and novelist, writes in the book "Eating Animals." Euthanizing pets, he says, "amounts to millions of pounds of meat now being thrown away every year. The simple disposal of these euthanized dogs is an enormous ecological and economic problem. It would be demented to yank pets from homes. But eating those strays, those runaways, those not-quite-cute-enough-to-take and not-quite-well-behaved-enough-to-keep dogs would be killing a flock of birds with one stone and eating it, too."

But wait: Dogs are companions, right? Pigs (mostly) are not.

True, in America.

In parts of Vietnam, not so much.

In India, remember, cows are sacred.

And eating pig is off limits for many Muslim and Jewish people.

Plus, there's an inherent danger in thinking that "the value of an animal depends on how you treat it," writes Slate's William Saletan.

"If you befriend it, it's a friend. If you raise it for food, it's food," he says in a 2002 essay, hilariously titled "Wok the Dog." "This relativism is more dangerous than the absolutism of vegetarians or even of thoughtful carnivores. You can abstain from meat because you believe that the mental capacity of animals is too close to that of humans. You can eat meat because you believe that it isn't. Either way, you're using a fixed standard. But if you refuse to eat only the meat of 'companion' animals -- chewing bacon, for example, while telling Koreans that they can't stew Dalmatians -- you're saying that the morality of killing depends on habit or even whim."

Maybe the logic of that makes sense but the thought of eating dog still doesn't sit well. That's the case for me. I went to Vietnam earlier this year to report a story on the illegal trade in pangolin, which is a scale-covered mammal few people care about (except me and maybe this guy) in the way they care about dogs.

I saw dog restaurants in Hanoi. Easily could have gone to one.

I didn't. And that says less about the dog-eating that's going on in Hanoi than my own conflicted eating habits. Clearly, the illegal dog trade needs to be cleaned up. But so does our thinking about what we eat and when and why. If we're appalled by the dog trade in Southeast Asia, we should be similarly appalled by some of the conditions that exist in factory animal farms in the United States -- including the use of "gestation crates" to confine mother pigs, a practice activist Temple Grandin has criticized, saying it's like "asking a sow to live in an airline seat."

If we think dog shouldn't be eaten -- like, ever, regardless of how clean the trade is and how quick the kill -- then maybe we should think about the other animals we eat, and if and why we don't feel the same way about them. Is it because we spend so much time with dogs -- looking into their eyes, talking to them, walking them, picking up their crap -- that we understand that they are living, breathing, feeling beings? Would we feel that way about other animals if we could hang out more? Or would the beak-y, frowny face of the chicken still stop us short of empathy?

For his part, Duggleby, the photographer who shot the dog story, told me he was offered dog meat on the assignment but couldn't eat it.

"When I was photographing inside a dog meat restaurant -- claiming to be a chef studying Vietnamese food -- I was offered to try it," he said. "It probably looked very odd for a 'chef' to say no but I turned it down. I just couldn't bring myself to try it."

I likely would have done the same thing.

Exactly why? That's a harder question.

And it's the one all of us should further examine.

The Reckoning
07-24-2014, 02:31 PM
thanks for ruining my day

xmas1997
07-24-2014, 02:32 PM
Does it taste like chicken?

The Gemini Method
07-24-2014, 02:33 PM
Meh. We've been eating Taco Bell meat for a while now and lord knows what is in that stuff...Can't imagine Fido steaks would be any worse.

xmas1997
07-24-2014, 02:39 PM
Meh. We've been eating Taco Bell meat for a while now and lord knows what is in that stuff...Can't imagine Fido steaks would be any worse.

Uh oh.
You do realize that the same company that owns Taco Bell also owns A&W Root Beer, Kentucky Fried Chicken, and Long John Silvers.

Chris
07-24-2014, 02:41 PM
It's disgusting and they do the same things with cats. I've seen documentaries (HBO for example) where they throw these live animals into boiling oil writhing while their fur and skin melt off. It's totally barbaric and terrible imo

cantthinkofanything
07-24-2014, 02:54 PM
I would not knowingly eat a dog.

DisAsTerBot
07-24-2014, 02:58 PM
no. unless it was some sort of survival situation

Malik Hairston
07-24-2014, 03:03 PM
Uncivilized Asians with antiquated mentalities are such disgusting creatures, tbh..

rogues
07-24-2014, 03:10 PM
Uncivilized, antiquated-mentality Asians are such disgusting creatures, tbh..

Also some of the tribes in Africa that not only hunt down cook unskinned dog and cat but also eat other humans. These are disgusting backwards creatures.

Infinite_limit
07-24-2014, 03:20 PM
Uncivilized Asians with antiquated mentalities are such disgusting creatures, tbh..
Others are so civilized, feeding & housing animals while their fellow citizens starve to death

cantthinkofanything
07-24-2014, 03:23 PM
Others are so civilized, feeding & housing animals while their fellow citizens starve to death

if I had to pick between 1) my dog dies or 2) bunch of people I don't know starve to death but I will never know about...
I will most certainly keep my dog

rogues
07-24-2014, 03:25 PM
Others are so civilized, feeding & housing animals while their fellow citizens starve to death

I'd rather keep my dog then give it to some starving third world family..what I'm trying to say is I wouldn't feed your ass if you were a minute away from dying of starvation..

Malik Hairston
07-24-2014, 03:26 PM
Others are so civilized, feeding & housing animals while their fellow citizens starve to death

An animal being tortured is not comparable to a person that doesn't have any money :lol..

If you're comparing an animal being tortured to a human being tortured, then sure, but I'm pretty certain that most people do care and show compassion to a fellow human being tortured..

Malik Hairston
07-24-2014, 03:28 PM
And if you're referring to my "fellow citizens", then I assume you're using the homeless as your example, considering I don't live in a 3rd world country and my "fellow citizens" aren't starving African kids or war-impacted Arabs..in that case, how the fuck is torturing an animal comparable to some homeless loser that can't generate money?..

cantthinkofanything
07-24-2014, 03:30 PM
And if you're referring to my "fellow citizens", then I assume you're using the homeless as your example, considering I don't live in a 3rd world country..in that case, how the fuck is torturing an animal comparable to some homeless loser that can't generate money?..

shit...what about all the lazy fucks on welfare? they're worse than the homeless.

Infinite_limit
07-24-2014, 03:32 PM
An animal being tortured is not comparable to a person that doesn't have any money :lol..

If you're comparing an animal being tortured to a human being tortured, then sure, but I'm pretty certain that most people do care and show compassion to a fellow human being tortured..
I'd prefer to torture animals and turn them into a source of food (for those without money) then forever poison our food supply with GMO

Malik Hairston
07-24-2014, 03:34 PM
Why do you want to reward those without money?..

rogues
07-24-2014, 03:35 PM
I'd prefer to torture animals and turn them into a source of food (for those without money) then forever poison our food supply with GMO

:lol And what if those animals feed on GMO foods?

Your spin to the quoted post is embarrassing. Typical of a bitter third worlder jealous of America, or non-third world countries.

Infinite_limit
07-24-2014, 03:40 PM
:lol And what if those animals feed on GMO foods?

Your spin to the quoted post is embarrassing. Typical of a bitter third worlder jealous of America, or non-third world countries.
America is the driving force of GMO. "Yes this square & seedless Watermelon is perfectly normal"

Infinite_limit
07-24-2014, 03:41 PM
Why do you want to reward those without money?..
We need to feed the Globe is one of the main arguments for use of GMO

cantthinkofanything
07-24-2014, 03:45 PM
America is the driving force of GMO. "Yes this square & seedless Watermelon is perfectly normal"

what's wrong with square watermelon? seems like they'd be way easier to stack and cut into equal portions

rogues
07-24-2014, 03:45 PM
America is the driving force of GMO. "Yes this square & seedless Watermelon is perfectly normal"

Better than having a diet that consists of crops and foodstuffs grown on the nutrients of weak and pathetic dead Polish soldiers.

FkLA
07-24-2014, 04:02 PM
Some solid points made but nah no way could I eat a dog.

tlongII
07-24-2014, 04:05 PM
We need to feed the Globe is one of the main arguments for use of GMO

There are no documented problems with GMO foods. It's all in your head.

The Gemini Method
07-24-2014, 04:17 PM
Uh oh.
You do realize that the same company that owns Taco Bell also owns A&W Root Beer, Kentucky Fried Chicken, and Long John Silvers. Yes. I only partake in A&W on occasion and the rest are places I don't frequent.

The Gemini Method
07-24-2014, 04:17 PM
There are no documented problems with GMO foods. It's all in your head. Funny a PDXite would say such a thing…since, well, you know they're one of the central anti-GMO areas of the country.

tlongII
07-24-2014, 04:20 PM
Funny a PDXite would say such a thing…since, well, you know they're one of the central anti-GMO areas of the country.

No doubt about that. I live in perhaps the most liberal city in the country unfortunately.

Gutter92
07-24-2014, 04:34 PM
I tried horse meat in Serbia this summer, amazing stuff. Wish we could have that here :(

Franklin
07-24-2014, 08:42 PM
No I don't eat dogs, we eat cats though...

Splits
07-24-2014, 09:01 PM
I tried horse meat in Serbia this summer, amazing stuff. Wish we could have that here :(

Horse is delicious.

DMC
07-24-2014, 09:04 PM
Yes

Spur|n|Austin
07-24-2014, 09:22 PM
Meh. We've been eating Taco Bell meat for a while now and lord knows what is in that stuff...Can't imagine Fido steaks would be any worse.

Speak for yourself.

Bigzax
07-24-2014, 11:49 PM
Ny strip from costco, thx.