Best PG of the last decade

[100%duncan]

Let's settle this tbh. Kinda intrigued at what you all think

[djohn2oo8]

In before CN argues Kidd was in his prime.

[TDMVPDPOY]

none

nash played on a team which run up his stats

kidd only interested recording triple doubles in w/l games

parker has a history gettin bailed out by backup in elimination games

paul the definition of a choke artists against top pgs then goes pad his stats against scrub for the law of avg

[Clipper Nation]

The child-support ducker, tbh....

All 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Playoff Harden, btw :lol

[100%duncan]

none

nash played on a team which run up his stats

kidd only interested recording triple doubles in w/l games

parker has a history gettin bailed out by backup in elimination games

paul the definition of a choke artists against top pgs then goes pad his stats against scrub for the law of avg

It says best u fkn wanker. One has to be. Or atleast suggest one.

[ambchang]

It's gotta be Paul.

Kidd and Nash both had better success during their primes, but Kidd's prime ended around 07, and Nash ended a few years ago. From the perspective of the last decade, those two had a good chunk in which they were really bad or retired.

Parker just isn't as good as Paul, he never had to shoulder the responsibility of Paul. Not coincidentally, the years Parker had to carry the Spurs offensively were the years the Spurs were performing the worst (09 to 13, with a lot of 1st round upsets, reverse sweeps, with 2013 being the only successful season).

Parker can still be controlled and shut down by a long physical defender, while Paul's worst enemy is himself.

Neither of them can be considered elite players in the realm of the Lebrons or Durants, but they are unquestionably in the next rung.

[djohn2oo8]

The child-support ducker, tbh....

All 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Playoff Harden, btw :lol
:lol Now arguing Nash was better than Paul. New low son. But I'm guessing if your criteria for who was the better PG includes getting to the third round, then Nash > Paul.

[Raven]

Parker and it's not close.

[Xylus]

Nash, of course.

[100%duncan]

Parker and it's not close.

My nigga.

[MeloHype]

Derek Fisher

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Now arguing Nash was better than Paul. New low son. But I'm guessing if your criteria for who was the better PG includes getting to the third round, then Nash > Paul.
:lol Trying to prop up Choke Paul and shit on him at the same time, all out of butthurt that Harden is the ultimate choker....

[djohn2oo8]

:lol Trying to prop up Choke Paul and shit on him at the same time, all out of butthurt that Harden is the ultimate choker....

Yet you defending Paul in the same sentence :lol And Ultimate choker would be deferring to Jannero Pargo in the biggest moment of your career.

[Clipper Nation]

Yet you defending Paul in the same sentence :lol And Ultimate choker would be deferring to Jannero Pargo in the biggest moment of your career.
Pointing out that Harden can't even get out of the first round or shoot a respectable percentage in the playoffs as a top two option is not a defense of Paul, tbh....

It's pathetic that Paul is getting paid $107 million on a team he forced his way to and can't even get out of the second round, and I'd love to see his overpaid ass get traded while other teams still think he's a superstar, but it's even more pathetic that Harden doesn't even care enough to play defense on a season-deciding possession :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Btw, a fan of a team that's won a whopping one playoff series in 17 years criticizing someone for not getting out of the second round is pretty funny :lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

The child-support ducker, tbh....

All 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Playoff Harden, btw :lol
:lol

[JohnnyMax]

Tony Parker

[Robz4000]

It's gotta be Paul.

Kidd and Nash both had better success during their primes, but Kidd's prime ended around 07, and Nash ended a few years ago. From the perspective of the last decade, those two had a good chunk in which they were really bad or retired.

Parker just isn't as good as Paul, he never had to shoulder the responsibility of Paul. Not coincidentally, the years Parker had to carry the Spurs offensively were the years the Spurs were performing the worst (09 to 13, with a lot of 1st round upsets, reverse sweeps, with 2013 being the only successful season).

Parker can still be controlled and shut down by a long physical defender, while Paul's worst enemy is himself.

Neither of them can be considered elite players in the realm of the Lebrons or Durants, but they are unquestionably in the next rung.

You can't really point to those seasons as a means to discredit Parker tbh; the talent level on those teams pre-2012 was awful and they always seemed to suffer an injury right before or during the postseason. Parker's 2012 and 2013 form was pretty damn elite as well.

As for the question, Kidd > Parker = Nash > CP3.

[djohn2oo8]

Btw, a fan of a team that's won a whopping one playoff series in 17 years criticizing someone for not getting out of the second round is pretty funny :lol

The Clippers have been hyped (especially last year with Doc) as legitimate contenders for a while now by the media. Your entire team gets a continual pass.

[Clipper Nation]

The Clippers have been hyped (especially last year with Doc) as legitimate contenders for a while now by the media. Your entire team gets a continual pass.
Nobody gets a bigger pass from Media than Morey.... one playoff series win ever and he's still slurped as a "genius" :lol

Stick to shitting on Aggy and Lakerfan, you're at least funny with those schticks... this schtick just oozes with butthurt :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Pointing out that Harden can't even get out of the first round or shoot a respectable percentage in the playoffs as a top two option is not a defense of Paul, tbh....

It's pathetic that Paul is getting paid $107 million on a team he forced his way to and can't even get out of the second round, and I'd love to see his overpaid ass get traded while other teams still think he's a superstar, but it's even more pathetic that Harden doesn't even care enough to play defense on a season-deciding possession :lol

Any other fan shitting on Harden I wouldn't care. Not you though, as many times as you used Del Negro as an excuse. He has played shitty in both series, it's two attempts. Not 15 or 16 like McGrady. Also, no one talks about Jones and Asik getting abused by Aldridge.

[djohn2oo8]

Nobody gets a bigger pass from Media than Morey.... one playoff series win ever and he's still slurped as a "genius" :lol

Stick to shitting on Aggy and Lakerfan, you're at least funny with those schticks... this schtick just oozes with butthurt :lol
lol no. MVPaul gets a pass right along with Carmelo.

[djohn2oo8]

And so does Blake. And Rivers for being a lying hypocrite.

[StrengthAndHonor]

The Clippers have been hyped (especially last year with Doc) as legitimate contenders for a while now by the media. Your entire team gets a continual pass.
Clippers certainly doesn't get a pass. They are heavily scrutinized thus you see management with it's never ending pursue to make the team better. With the DTS saga behind the franchise, and Blake Griffin entering his prime, this is the year however I hope they advance deeper in the playoffs.

[StrengthAndHonor]

a lying hypocrite.
That epitomizes Dwight Howard's personality, quite honestly.

[djohn2oo8]

Clippers certainly doesn't get a pass. They are heavily scrutinized thus you see management with it's never ending pursue to make the team better. With the DTS saga behind the franchise, and Blake Griffin entering his prime, this is the year however I hope they advance deeper in the playoffs.
They certainly do. You never hear in the media about Doc planning that imaginary championship parade last year.

[Daniel Sedin]

They certainly do. You never hear in the media about Doc planning that imaginary championship parade last year.

I've come to terms that it's wrong to fight with the mentally handicapped, so my brother and I decided to just give CN a pass whenever he posts. Kind of like a pat on the back.

[Henrik Sedin]

:lol CN is salty because of Malaysian Airlines mishaps

[100%duncan]

:lol CN is salty because of Malaysian Airlines mishaps

Oh dude cmon not cool to joke about that.

[Clipper Nation]

Oh dude cmon not cool to joke about that.
:lol Frizzle trying too hard to be "edgy"

[Clipper Nation]

And so does Blake. And Rivers for being a lying hypocrite.
How does Blake get a pass? He has been loathed by Media, fans, and opposing players since basically his second year in the league.... people STILL think he can "only dunk" :lol

Choke does get a pass while using Blake as the scapegoat, though....

[100%duncan]

:lol Frizzle trying too hard to be "edgy"

no lyfe is behind troll daniel?

[Daniel Sedin]

Oh dude cmon not cool to joke about that.

My apologies.

[Clipper Nation]

no lyfe is behind troll daniel?
Yes, he's behind both Sedin sisters :lol

[100%duncan]

My apologies.

:tu

[Jenks]

Current decade: 2010's
The last decade: 2000's

Kidd > Nash > Parker > Paul

[ambchang]

You can't really point to those seasons as a means to discredit Parker tbh; the talent level on those teams pre-2012 was awful and they always seemed to suffer an injury right before or during the postseason. Parker's 2012 and 2013 form was pretty damn elite as well.

As for the question, Kidd > Parker = Nash > CP3.

Oh, no question, those teams not getting better wasn't Parker's fault, and re-reading what I wrote actually made me sound like that's what I was saying. My bad.

What if the talent level of a team would have to force a player like Parker to shoulder the offensive load that Parker did carry, the team is not going to go much further than a team led by Chris Paul.

I love what Parker contributed to the Spurs, they wouldn't have won the championship in 14 without Parker, and likely wouldn't have won in 05 or even 07, but Chris Paul was clearly the better player than Parker over the last few years.

[scanry]

All time playoff chockers tbh

PG CP3
SG Harden
SF TMac
PF Boozer
C Yao

[ElNono]

Choke Paul... but Westbrook should be on this list within the next 3 years, IMO.

[spurraider21]

All time playoff chockers tbh

PG CP3
SG Harden
SF TMac
PF Boozer
C Yao

What about Kirby :downspin:

[Leetonidas]

That's actually a good question.

Parker has the most rings. Nash has the most MVPs. Paul has the better stats. Kidd's best days were earlier than 10 years ago so it can't be him imo.

Toss up really. I see arguments for all of them. Some are chokers, some don't play defense, some bang teammates wives. Wash imo

[spurraider21]

That's actually a good question.

Parker has the most rings. Nash has the most MVPs. Paul has the better stats. Kidd's best days were earlier than 10 years ago so it can't be him imo.

Toss up really. I see arguments for all of them. Some are chokers, some don't play defense, some bang teammates wives. Wash imo
was Parker's 2003 ring season more impressive than ANY of chris paul's seasons? not a fan of the ring count as an argument

[RD2191]

Parker and it's not close.

[spurraider21]

robdiaz2191, i'm bored, wana argue about religion again?

:lol jk... good times tho

[RD2191]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4

[RD2191]

Your move, spurraider. :wakeup

[RD2191]

Fuck, forgot blue font.

[spurraider21]

that's my favorite internet video of all time, i think i've posted it somewhere before :lol

:lol contents don't squirt in your face
:lol point at the top for ease of entry
:lol just the right shape for the human mouth

[RD2191]

:lmao

[spurraider21]

:lmao
top youtube comment: Fair enough lads. So was God taking the piss when he invented the pineapple?

[ElNono]

was Parker's 2003 ring season more impressive than ANY of chris paul's seasons? not a fan of the ring count as an argument

Parker's best season was 2013, and you could argue that season was definitely better than any of CP3's seasons...

[RD2191]

top youtube comment: Fair enough lads. So was God taking the piss when he invented the pineapple?
Kirk's facial expressions though, like is this nigga fucking with me right now.

[spurraider21]

Parker's best season was 2013, and you could argue that season was definitely better than any of CP3's seasons...
from the other Chris Paul thread

i think in 2012 and 2013 in a vacuum Parker was the better player, but its unfair since those were Parker at his peak and Paul's peak was years earlier. big picture, i think paul > parker is clear as day though

i was at the Spurs Clippers game a season ago soon after the all-star break, when Parker just crushed Paul, and i think CP3 ended up with 4 points, 5 fouls. Parker was an MVP caliber player for 2 seasons, but he was also surrounded by a heck of a cast. He wasn't quite as good this past season (though it might be due to being worn down/beat up, i don't know), and was never anywhere near that level before, imo. Paul has been considered the best or top 2 point guard basically since his 2nd season

[RD2191]

My bad on the fucked up quote.

[Jwash_1986]

Anthony Carter

[Infinite_limit]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/suns/nash_0506mvp_index.jpg

http://www.derrickrosemvp.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/DerrickRoseMVP.jpg

[Leetonidas]

was Parker's 2003 ring season more impressive than ANY of chris paul's seasons? not a fan of the ring count as an argument

Well you picked probably his worst season to make that comparison. I'd argue TP has a couple season better than CP3 but overall CP3 obviously is statistically better. He is also a renowned choker who has failed to lead his team past the 2nd round in a decade despite being the "best PG" in the league. And he has had some pretty good teams, especially recently. His Game 5 choke was incredibly pathetic.

But I didn't say Parker's argument was the best. Just that I can see why someone would make an argument for either 3 of them.

[spurraider21]

Well you picked probably his worst season to make that comparison. I'd argue TP has a couple season better than CP3 but overall CP3 obviously is statistically better. He is also a renowned choker who has failed to lead his team past the 2nd round in a decade despite being the "best PG" in the league. And he has had some pretty good teams, especially recently. His Game 5 choke was incredibly pathetic.

But I didn't say Parker's argument was the best. Just that I can see why someone would make an argument for either 3 of them.
fine, take TP's 2005 campaign... it still doesn't hold a candle to pretty much any CP3 season. i love Tony, he's one of the greatest Spurs of all time, so i'm not here trying to bash him, but i'm being realistic in regards to what he's done compared to Paul

[Phillip]

Tie between CP3 and Nash.

[Phillip]

All time playoff chockers tbh

PG CP3
SG Harden
SF TMac
PF Boozer
C Yao

I don't really see how T-Mac or Yao were chokers.

[Ghazi]

Paul is labeled a choker for no reason. He is the best ln that list.

[Ghazi]

Clippers were nothing before Paul got there. Absolutely nothing. He changed that culture, but is criticized for not leading them to a title in just 3 seasons without a title contending roster.. :lol

[spurraider21]

I don't really see how T-Mac or Yao were chokers.
I don't see how Gerald Green is better than Kawhi Leonard, but apparently you do.

[Leetonidas]

fine, take TP's 2005 campaign... it still doesn't hold a candle to pretty much any CP3 season. i love Tony, he's one of the greatest Spurs of all time, so i'm not here trying to bash him, but i'm being realistic in regards to what he's done compared to Paul

All true but once again not picking great seasons. His 2007 season is definitely better than a couple of Pauls and the last two seasons minus 2014 he's been on par with or better than him. Like I said I'm not saying that Parker is the best but I'm saying he's in the discussion and I can see how an argument can be made for either of them.


IMO it's Nash overall

[spurraider21]

For me it's between Nash and Paul, leaning towards Paul. Parker was only an elite NBA player for about 2 seasons. maybe with a summer off he can bounce back though.

[Ghazi]

Parker has made 0 all nba 1st teams btw.. That stat simply cannot be underrated when it comes to evaluating individual players. Paul has 4.

[Clipper Nation]

Clippers were nothing before Paul got there. Absolutely nothing. He changed that culture, but is criticized for not leading them to a title in just 3 seasons without a title contending roster.. :lol
No, Blake changed the culture... Choke just sucks up all the cap space and credit....

It's Choke's own fault that this isn't a title-contending roster, as he refused to take even a penny less than the max.... hard to improve the team too much when a choker is making $107 mil....

[Phillip]

I don't see how Gerald Green is better than Kawhi Leonard, but apparently you do.

lol taking my blatantly obvious troll post seriously

[spurraider21]

sup lefty

[Clipper Nation]

sup lefty
:lol Thinking Phillip is lefty

[spurraider21]

:lol Thinking Phillip is lefty
i dont think philip is lefty... was referring to the "oh i was trolling" shtick

[Phillip]

sup lefty

:lmao moron

[Clipper Nation]

i dont think philip is lefty... was referring to the "oh i was trolling" shtick
You got out-Philo'd, deal with it :downspin:

[Malik Hairston]

Paul and Nash are just far better players than Kidd and Parker, tbh, it isn't even particularly close..

Kidd is one of the 5 most overrated players in NBA history, tbh..

[spurraider21]

Paul and Nash are just far better players than Kidd and Parker, tbh, it isn't even particularly close..
I agree that Paul and Nash > Parker, but where do you stack Parker's 2012-2013 in a bubble?

[Ghazi]

No, Blake changed the culture... Choke just sucks up all the cap space and credit....

It's Choke's own fault that this isn't a title-contending roster, as he refused to take even a penny less than the max.... hard to improve the team too much when a choker is making $107 mil....
Clippers are title contenders imo. Top 4 team in the league.

[Clipper Nation]

Clippers are title contenders imo. Top 4 team in the league.
Not without a legitimate starting small forward, and that's hard for us to get with Choke hogging the cap space....

[Splits]

Not without a legitimate starting small forward, and that's hard for us to get with Choke hogging the cap space....

Parsons was on the board at 37 in '11

:lol Trey Thompkins

And PG was on the board at 8 in '10

:lol Aminu

[Franklin]

Kidd is the best PG of the last decade without a doubt. A PG-led team making the NBA finals was a miracle by itself, and none of the other 3 PGs managed to do so (Enrique is just a system player, tbh).

[Clipper Nation]

Parsons was on the board at 37 in '11

:lol Trey Thompkins

And PG was on the board at 8 in '10

:lol Aminu
The GM responsible for that draft is Portland's problem now.... :lol tschlong

[StrengthAndHonor]

Clippers were nothing before Paul got there. Absolutely nothing. He changed that culture, but is criticized for not leading them to a title in just 3 seasons without a title contending roster.. :lol
Absolutely. People are completely overlooking that. While it's true they haven't accomplished as much, CP changed the Clippers losing culture. Without him, the Clippers would be another team struggling to secure a 7th or 8th spot in the West.

[Xylus]

Are we talking the best PG of the 2000's or the best PG of the last 10 years?

[spurraider21]

Are we talking the best PG of the 2000's or the best PG of the last 10 years?
i think it works out the same way. the main 3 being discussed, Paul, Nash, Parker really emerged in the last 10 years.

the only player it would really make a difference for would be Jason Kidd

[djohn2oo8]

Kidd is the best PG of the last decade without a doubt. A PG-led team making the NBA finals was a miracle by itself, and none of the other 3 PGs managed to do so (Enrique is just a system player, tbh).
Those Nets teams were playing in the worst eras in history of the East. :lol Making the finals with Byron Scott and a nigga named Kerry Kittles twice.

[Xylus]

i think it works out the same way. the main 3 being discussed, Paul, Nash, Parker really emerged in the last 10 years.

the only player it would really make a difference for would be Jason Kidd

Yeah, in one scenario, Kidd is either #1 or #2, in the other scenario he's easily #4.

[DMC]

4-0

Kiss the rings

[apalisoc_9]

Man kidd is right up there in terms of most overrated players ever...

Parker is obviously the better scorer and IMO a somewhat better playoff performer than C. Paul..

with that said though, CP0 has always been a better overall player and I've always thought he was in every other facet of the game except for driving to the basket.

CP0
Nash
Parker
Kidd

in that order imo

[spurraider21]

^:lol

[Tuddy]

Parker's the best scorer and that's what matters most deep in the playoffs

[Thread]

^Yet another piss pot chickenshit from upstairs. I'm give out tonite. I ain't got the strength to spit on him.

Good night, fellows.

[AaronY]

I don't see how Gerald Green is better than Kawhi Leonard, but apparently you do.
Rofl