Fucking animated GIFs

[baseline bum]

This is just ridiculous and stupid to have these huge gif files in people's sigs. It's such a watse of bandwidth.

TPark - 4.25 MB
http://www.digitalutopia.org/images/edmonds2.gif

Horry for 3! - 2.61 MB
http://www.shrani.si/pics/iexplore27800.gif

gospursgojas - 1.27 MB
http://www.shrani.si/pics/bowen_sz37266.gif

IX Equilibrium - 0.99 MB
http://img257.echo.cx/img257/914/lebanner1dl.gif

Dex - 0.97 MB
http://home.comcast.net/~slayermin/barry_3.gif


Animated GIF is the most misused file format I've ever seen. Animated GIF cannot fucking support a continuous color spectrum as in video. These tiny ass 5 second videos would be 1/10th the size and look a hell of a lot better if they were compressed with XVid, DiVX, or H.264 (ie, the new Quicktime or the x264 project). GIF relies on having only a few colors and having each of those colors not changing locally. I.e., you pick a black pixel at random and every one of the pixels near to it is the same shade of black.

This is the kind of video animated GIF is designed for:

TrainWreck2100 - 0.06 MB
http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/8904/avatar3674og.gif

This is a 13-second video clip, and it's 0.06 MB. Why? Because there's not a lot of colors and and they don't change much. You might say the information content of this video is low.... which is exactly why GIF is a much better format for this video than is DiVX, XViD, H.263, H.264, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, or any other format derived from JPEG, which require a continous color spectrum to give good results with high compression.

[Kori Ellis]

I was going to post something similar a few weeks ago. When traffic on the forum is average (like now) it doesn't matter that much. But during the post season, people's signatures were killing the load time on the forum with 600+ users online.

[baseline bum]

No one gives a shit about seeing Jim Edmonds every thread. Why shold I waste 4.5 MB of my bandwidth every time I want to read a thread? I like the pics in the sigs. 10-50 KB is fine. 1-4.5 MB per post is fucking ridiculous. It's a huge waste of bandwidth and RAM.

[baseline bum]

I was going to post something similar a few weeks ago. When traffic on the forum is average (like now) it doesn't matter that much. But during the post season, people's signatures were killing the load time on the forum with 600+ users online.

I hate having every thread queueing to load while I'm waiting to download someone's dumbfuck gif.

[Ginofan]

Isn't there an option if you want to turn off the signatures?

[baseline bum]

On a 100 KB/s link TPark's sig will take at least 43.5 seconds to load. Horry for 3? 26.7 seconds. That's assuming I'm getting the full speed of the link, which I'm not due to queueing in routers between my computer and the server. So I have to wait 43.5 seconds to open another thread? Fuck that.

[Horry For 3!]

:stfu guy, I can have whatever I want on my sig and post whatever I want

[Kori Ellis]

I see Baseline Bum's point. But something else is the point to me. It's the increase on the forum load during busy times. Unless you mean that you want me to turn off everyone's signatures all together. :lol

Either way, people need to get the stuff that's copyrighted out of the signatures anyway. I'd would say that's everybody that's listed above.

NBA photos are okay (that's covered in our Terms of Use). NBA videos are not.

[Horry For 3!]

I see Baseline Bum's point. But something else is the point to me. It's the increase on the forum load during busy times. Unless you mean that you want me to turn off everyone's signatures all together. :lol

Either way, people need to get the stuff that's copyrighted out of the signatures anyway. I'd would say that's everybody that's listed above.

NBA photos are okay (that's covered in our Terms of Use). NBA videos are not.
Well if I have to take my video down, I'm going to need someone to make me a cool picture sig of Horry....

[baseline bum]

Isn't there an option if you want to turn off the signatures?

The photos in people's sigs are cool and add a lot to the forum. They're not the problem. Most of them are < 50 KB, which is fine. Your animated GIF is also an example of something the format can achieve good compression on since most of the file is concentrated in a very small set of colors, and that's why it only comes in at 37 KB. It's these gifs made from live video that are ridiculous.

[Horry For 3!]

I don't mind taking my video down since Kori said she would like it down and she owns this site but I would not take it down for this guy.

In that saying I'm going to get someone to make me a cool sig of horry pictures in one. :tu

[MannyIsGod]

I agree, especially considering I'm on dialup. Really, how many times do you need to see the same play over and over before it gets old?

[Horry For 3!]

I agree, especially considering I'm on dialup. Really, how many times do you need to see the same play over and over before it gets old?
Sucks for you. I am on DSL.

[Uncle Donnie]

I don't get the argument that they put too much load on the forum. It's not like they're hosted on the forum's server. Also they get cached locally, so you're not downloading them every thread either.

Usually I find them annoying so I guess I'm playing devil's advocate here, but other than the RAM thing these complaints don't make much sense to me.

[T Park]

No one gives a shit about seeing Jim Edmonds every thread

I do, and thats all that fuckin matters.

[Spurfect]

Sucks for you. I am on DSL.

Sucks for you.. I'm on cable :king

ha.. nah anyway, the guy has a point though about all those vids. They're just unnecessary for sigs really. I think people need to be a bit more considerate since everyone has different types of internet connections.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't get the argument that they put too much load on the forum. It's not like they're hosted on the forum's server. Also they get cached locally, so you're not downloading them every thread either.

Usually I find them annoying so I guess I'm playing devil's advocate here, but other than the RAM thing these complaints don't make much sense to me.


All I know is that during the Finals, we had to disable signatures because it was slowing down the server so much. As soon as we did, the server was right back up to speed. I don't know the technical part of it, but it definitely effects the load if everyone is in one the thread (for example the game blog thread) and the signatures are all on.

Either way, I never bitched that people had to take them out for that reason. I just said that all copyrighted video needs to get out of people's signatures.

[Horry For 3!]

Sucks for you.. I'm on cable :king

ha.. nah anyway, the guy has a point though about all those vids. They're just unnecessary for sigs really. I think people need to be a bit more considerate since everyone has different types of internet connections.
Cable - DSL just about the same shit. So no doesn't suck for me.

[Horry For 3!]

I'll take mine off soon. I'm trying to see if my friend can make me a Horry picture.

[Spurfect]

Cable - DSL just about the same shit. So no doesn't suck for me.

I've had both. Cable is faster.

[Horry For 3!]

I've had both. Cable is faster.
Ehhh. I'll have T1 or T3 soon, so i'll own you then. :fro

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Quick question, how many megabytes is my sig?

[MannyIsGod]

You guys can be dicks about it if you want. I never asked you to take them out. But I do feel Baseline has a valid point. So if you get a woody from seeing a 3 second clip or you think it makes you cool or if you simply want to piss off BB, go right on ahead.

[Spurminator]

I do, and thats all that fuckin matters.

Now THAT should be T Park's signature...

[usckk]

Well, people who have dial-up can just turn their signiture option off.

[Kori Ellis]

Well, people who have dial-up can just turn their signiture option off.

Did you read my posts?

It's not a matter of that.

[Horry For 3!]

Alright, I took mine off for Kori since she didn't want it on here. :tu

[MannyIsGod]

I could turn off the signature option, but @ work it is no problem, and I indentify the posts when I'm scrolling through by their signatures.

[spurster]

In Firefox, you can block images from certain sites (right-clink on the image to get a menu including the image blocking option). A large number of posters put up images that would be slightly inappropriate for family viewing.

[baseline bum]

Quick question, how many megabytes is my sig?

About 0.1 MB. Your breakdance clip is the type of animation animated gif is designed for.

[baseline bum]

Turning off sigs is stupid. For instance, Manny and spursster have badass sigs. Big difference between 24.4 KB and 4.5 MB (a factor of almost 200).

[Boo]

I do, and thats all that fuckin matters.

Hahahaha!! WOW.

[Boo]

Oh btw, is my video too big?

[Horry For 3!]

Oh btw, is my video too big?
Yours is 222KB.

[baseline bum]

I don't get the argument that they put too much load on the forum. It's not like they're hosted on the forum's server. Also they get cached locally, so you're not downloading them every thread either.

Usually I find them annoying so I guess I'm playing devil's advocate here, but other than the RAM thing these complaints don't make much sense to me.

Say you can open 10 parallel connections. Every image on the page is a new parallel connection.... so now only one of your 10 connections is requesting information from Kori's server. It's asking for transmissions at a much lower rate because it's recieving data from Kori's server at a much lower rate since the other 9 connections are requesting large images/videos and thus using all the bandwidth. Meanwhile, since you've established the connection with Kori's server and have not closed the connection her server has to keep the connection open to you, even though you're only requesting info from her server at a much slower rate. The other 9 connections remain open for a long time because they're each requesting a very large object (ie, TPark's video) and all competing with each other for the bandwidth. If your connection is slow the video files ensure that some of the packet requests from Kori's server timeout, and thus you re-request them automatically and the server resends them. Because it takes forever to finally get the info on the page that comes from Kori's server it can't close the connection and open a new one with for user who's trying to read the thread if it's already at high capacity.

These objects (ie, the videos, pics, scripts, etc.) are usually re-downloaded every time you view the page from a new browser process.

[SpursFanDan]

Manny's so smart, nothing ever gets past you.

T3 here bitches.

[Kori Ellis]

Say you can open 10 parallel connections. Every image on the page is a new parallel connection.... so now only one of your 10 connections is requesting information from Kori's server. It's asking for transmissions at a much lower rate because it's recieving data from Kori's server at a much lower rate since the other 9 connections are requesting large images/videos and thus using all the bandwidth. Meanwhile, since you've established the connection with Kori's server and have not closed the connection her server has to keep the connection open to you, even though you're only requesting info from her server at a much slower rate. The other 9 connections remain open for a long time because they're each requesting a very large object (ie, TPark's video) and all competing with each other for the bandwidth. If your connection is slow the video files ensure that some of the packet requests from Kori's server timeout, and thus you re-request them automatically and the server resends them. Because it takes forever to finally get the info on the page that comes from Kori's server it can't close the connection and open a new one with for user who's trying to read the thread if it's already at high capacity.

These objects (ie, the videos, pics, scripts, etc.) are usually re-downloaded every time you view the page from a new browser process.


Thanks Base. I knew there was a technical explanation eventhough I didn't know what it was. All I know is that during the playoff games, if I disabled the signatures the forum ran at normal rate. If I left them on, it slowed down a lot.

That being said. I'm not asking anyone to change their signatures, except those who have copyrighted video in their sigs.

[Ginofan]

Okay so this complaint is basically just about the video animated sigs...with illegally used copyrighted material. Okay...I thought this was about all animated sigs and such. I can see the justification in the complaint then, especially with dial up users.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I do, and thats all that fuckin matters.

THen make it your desktop, close all your running apps, and masturbate away. Fuck baseball, this is a basketball site.

I'm with base on all this. Tpark, do you have the expressed written permission of Major League Baseball to have that clip as your sig?

[Kori Ellis]

Okay so this complaint is basically just about the video animated sigs...with illegally used copyrighted material. Okay...I thought this was about all animated sigs and such. I can see the justification in the complaint then, especially with dial up users.

It's actually two different complaints.

1. Baseline's complaint of people using HUGE gifs that take forever to download (and also slow the server during peak times).

2. My complaint of anyone who has copyrighted video of any sort in their sigs.

However both complaints are about the exact same particular video signatures.

[TheTruth]

As a Red's fan, I would like to see the Jim Edmonds' video done away with.

[Boo]

THen make it your desktop, close all your running apps, and masturbate away. Fuck baseball, this is a basketball site.

I'm with base on all this. Tpark, do you have the expressed written permission of Major League Baseball to have that clip as your sig?

TPark doesn't care.. He's a redneck.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

About 0.1 MB. Your breakdance clip is the type of animation animated gif is designed for.
thanks bb

[Uncle Donnie]

Say you can open 10 parallel connections. Every image on the page is a new parallel connection.... so now only one of your 10 connections is requesting information from Kori's server. It's asking for transmissions at a much lower rate because it's recieving data from Kori's server at a much lower rate since the other 9 connections are requesting large images/videos and thus using all the bandwidth. Meanwhile, since you've established the connection with Kori's server and have not closed the connection her server has to keep the connection open to you, even though you're only requesting info from her server at a much slower rate. The other 9 connections remain open for a long time because they're each requesting a very large object (ie, TPark's video) and all competing with each other for the bandwidth. If your connection is slow the video files ensure that some of the packet requests from Kori's server timeout, and thus you re-request them automatically and the server resends them. Because it takes forever to finally get the info on the page that comes from Kori's server it can't close the connection and open a new one with for user who's trying to read the thread if it's already at high capacity.

These objects (ie, the videos, pics, scripts, etc.) are usually re-downloaded every time you view the page from a new browser process.

That makes sense, thanks for the explanation. Like I said I agreed with the sentiment, just didn't understand the bandwidth complaint.

Anyway, I don't even have a sig. So fuck all you fuckers with the fucking animated gifs. Especially you TPARK :flipoff

:lol

[ALVAREZ6]

T-Park has a 4.25 MB worth of sig wasted on fucking baseball??? Now that has to go.

[Trainwreck2100]

T-Park has a 4.25 MB worth of sig wasted on fucking baseball??? Now that has to go.


Not just baseball, the Cardinals.

[ALVAREZ6]

A bunch of people also have animated avatars, I don't know how big they are.

My emoticons and animated gifs just started working in motion about 2 weeks ago. Before that, they were always just pictures.

[SequSpur]

Hey.. how much fuckin space does my smilie v licker take?

[SpursFanDan]

:lol @ smilie v licker

[SequSpur]

You know what..... fuckin bb has a good point......

I am trying to scroll through topics and these mofoing signatures are making my shit hesitate up in this mofo.

Take those mofos off...

Fuck Jim Edmonds.... Tpark, you're a dick.

[ALVAREZ6]

^^^
I actually agree with Sequ on this. I think it's bullshit that Jim Edmonds is making everyone's scroll bar hesitate every fuckin time it goes by that gay ass sig. If it were a different poster that isn't a "regular" on this site with less posts, it might be different but T Park posts quite often.

[Boo]

but T Park posts quite often.

Hell yea, and he shouldn't be...

[T Park]

Tpark, do you have the expressed written permission of Major League Baseball to have that clip as your sig?



Should I give a flying fuck what you think???

[Kori Ellis]

Should I give a flying fuck what you think???

Maybe not, but you should care that I repeated a few times in this thread that people need to take copyrighted videos out of their signatures.

[T Park]

Hell yea, and he shouldn't be...


says who, you??

I could care fuckin less.


Dont like it?? I really dont care.


Until im told by the OWNER of the site to get rid of it, its staying.

Until then, get a new hobby people, and stfu.

[T Park]

Maybe not, but you should care that I repeated a few times in this thread that people need to take copyrighted videos out of their signatures

so something that was made by MLB for this guy at this site, is no good??

Interesting.

Whatever.

[Kori Ellis]

so something that was made by MLB for this guy at this site, is no good??

If you have permission to use it, that's cool. I didn't know you did.

I have just asked in this thread for people to take out the copyrighted videos that they don't have permission to use.

[j-6]

Brian Fantana: Don't get me wrong, I love the ladies. I mean they rev my engines, but they don't belong in the newsroom!
Champ Kind: It is anchor*man*, not anchor*lady*! And that is a scientific fact.
Brick Tamland: I don't know what we're yelling about!
Brian Fantana: You're with us, Ron, what do you think?
Ron Burgundy: [shouting] She... Sh... It's terrible! She has beautiful eyes, and her hair smells like cinnamon!
Brick Tamland: [shouts] Loud noises!

[T Park]

If you have permission to use it

The guy who made it, got permission, and I got his permission.

SO I thought that was ok.

[Samr]

Fag Forum

Says the guy featuring his face in his sig.

[Kori Ellis]

who gives a fuck about vids. If TPark wants his baseball thing, let him have it. If its during the Finals when everyone is one, disable the sigs. And get Cable. Sigs have never slowed me down. End of story.


STFU Dumbass. Any copyrighted video can't be in people's signatures. End of story.

[hussker]

BB has a valid point, but so do the others. Personally, I have no problem with the gifs, but as I go into different threads, I see the same people and same byte snatching gifs everytime. I love my Spurs, I love sports, but I do not have to put the gif of "THE CATCH" (Scott Frost to Matt Davison vs Mizzou 1997) or "THE PLAY" (Eric pitch to Mike Stuntz, pass back to Crouch for a TD vs OU) to show my allegiance to my Men Of Corn...(Me C/O 95)... One post with the gif is plenty, the rest bogs everything down. Get a website and direct people there for your frolic.

GO SPURS GO
HAIL VARSITY!!!!

[Kori Ellis]

Repeat: I'm not telling anyone to take anything out of their signatures because it's too big (though that might eventually come if people keep putting HUGE pictures in their signatures). I'm just repeating the same thing that I've been repeating over and over.

Take any copyrighted video out of your signature that YOU do not have permission to use.

Thanks.

[Duff McCartney]

I notice nobody complained for sigs like my Jessica Simpson one...or bigzaks sigs.

[Kori Ellis]

I agree with that. TPark's was NOT copyrighted, he had permission. So what is the point of your post? I understand copyrighted pics are not allowed, but BaselineBum's post was about the size of vids. Explain

TPark doesn't have permission to use the video.

And neither do all the people that are using video that are listed in Baseline Bum's original post.

As I said twice already in this thread, Baseline Bum has a different issue than I have, but it's about the EXACT SAME VIDEOS.

[Kori Ellis]

I notice nobody complained for sigs like my Jessica Simpson one...or bigzaks sigs.

They don't take close to as much space as the others.

And I don't have a problem with them because they aren't copyrighted by sports entities which are cracking down on using copyrighted video.

[Samr]

I notice nobody complained for sigs like my Jessica Simpson one...or bigzaks sigs.

You know, sometimes in life.....exceptions can be made......

[MI21]

I've had sigs turned off for about a year now because I am on dialup. A couple of weeks back I turned them back on and I felt like I was looking at threads full of pictures and video rather than actual threads, so I quickly ended that and turned them back off.

I agree with Baseline on this one, and I also agree with Kori. Why would you risk having her get in trouble with copyright and stuff just so you can have a little animated video in your signature on some forum on the internet?

[Kori Ellis]

Kori?

I looked up where his video is hosted. No one has permission to use that video. So until I see the "expressed written consent from major league baseball" to TPark, I'll assume he doesn't have permission.

[j-6]

I just turned off signatures after viewing this thread. I have cable, but the threads still load a helluva lot faster without them. :tu

So, thanks for bitching, everyone.

[Boo]

says who, you??

I could care fuckin less.


Dont like it?? I really dont care.


Until im told by the OWNER of the site to get rid of it, its staying.

Until then, get a new hobby people, and stfu.

Oh shut the hell up you fatass redneck.

Here, FETCH!!




http://valentinois.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/krispykreme2_1.jpeg

YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT!

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, I'm pretty close to just turning them off also.

[timvp]

Simple Solution:

Me or Kori will go in and take out any huge files from signatures. The waste of bandwidth and the fact that the site could get in trouble is enough reason to understand this stance. Kori lets everyone do anything, so not having an animated gif that is either too large or copyrighted isn't asking too much.

I'm guessing most in here are adult enough to understand.

Thaaa-a-aaa-aaa-aanks.

:hat

[Horry For 3!]

says who, you??

I could care fuckin less.


Dont like it?? I really dont care.


Until im told by the OWNER of the site to get rid of it, its staying.

Until then, get a new hobby people, and stfu.
Kori has said for you to take down the Edmonds gif. Kori told me to take down my Horry gif and I did. I'm not a dick or dumbass like you. Just fucking take it down and quit bitching!

[Boo]

Kori has said for you to take down the Edmonds gif. Kori told me to take down my Horry gif and I did. I'm not a dick or dumbass like you. Just fucking take it down and quit bitching!

Really!

[T Park]

yeah, I said it was legal, and she said it was ok.

Learn to read degenerates.

[T Park]

Oh shut the hell up you fatass redneck.


Thats the best you can do??

Go fetch a dictionary tard.

[j-6]

yeah, I said it was legal, and she said it was ok.

Learn to read degenerates..


TPark doesn't have permission to use the video.

And neither do all the people that are using video that are listed in Baseline Bum's original post.

As I said twice already in this thread, Baseline Bum has a different issue than I have, but it's about the EXACT SAME VIDEOS.

[Horry For 3!]

yeah, I said it was legal, and she said it was ok.

Learn to read degenerates.
That is not what she told me. She told me if you don't take it down soon she will do it manually.

[baseline bum]

Simple Solution:

Me or Kori will go in and take out any huge files from signatures. The waste of bandwidth and the fact that the site could get in trouble is enough reason to understand this stance. Kori lets everyone do anything, so not having an animated gif that is either too large or copyrighted isn't asking too much.

I'm guessing most in here are adult enough to understand.

Thaaa-a-aaa-aaa-aanks.

:hat

The bandwidth issue from your side of things shouldn't be too much of an issue except at the busiest of busy times. From my side it's a huge annoyance to download large video sigs though. By all means leave ones like what Ginofan and Manumania have though. They're pretty small and well-done.

Animated gif is horrible for video, because unlike MPEG, there is no time-domain compression I believe. If you've ever ripped video to your hard drive without a hardware DVD capture card you'll understand how ridiculous it would ever be to have video not compressed temporally.

[Horry For 3!]

The bandwidth issue from your side of things shouldn't be too much of an issue except at the busiest of busy times. From my side it's a huge annoyance to download large video sigs though. By all means leave ones like what Ginofan and Manumania have though. They're pretty small and well-done.

Animated gif is horrible for video, because unlike MPEG, there is no time-domain compression I believe. If you've ever ripped video to your hard drive without a hardware DVD capture card you'll understand how ridiculous it would ever be to have video not compressed temporally.
Oh and also when you talk about the videos. I never did the Horry video some guy did it and posted it on the site and I got it from there.

[T Park]

No its cool.

Ill just resume the self imposed ban, since everyone wants me out of here, and everyones so fuckin depressed im here.

Fuck it.

Ill take the sig with me.

Screw it.

[j-6]

No its cool.

Ill just resume the self imposed ban, since everyone wants me out of here, and everyones so fuckin depressed im here.

Fuck it.

Ill take the sig with me.

Screw it.

vbookie?

[Horry For 3!]

No its cool.

Ill just resume the self imposed ban, since everyone wants me out of here, and everyones so fuckin depressed im here.

Fuck it.

Ill take the sig with me.

Screw it.
:lol

[A Serbian Beast]

No its cool.

Ill just resume the self imposed ban, since everyone wants me out of here, and everyones so fuckin depressed im here.

Fuck it.

Ill take the sig with me.

Screw it.
Goodbye

[A Serbian Beast]

Oh shut the hell up you fatass redneck.

Here, FETCH!!




http://valentinois.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/krispykreme2_1.jpeg

YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT!
That doughnut looks good right now.

[Kori Ellis]

TPark, there's no reason to get your ball and go home.

I just asked for the copyrighted video to get out of the sigs. Your sig is copyrighted by MLB. I understand the guy who gave it to you told you that he somehow got permission, but that's not the same as you getting the express written consent to have it. Either way, keep posting and just take it out. This isn't just about you -- it's about everyone who has copyrighted video in their sig.

Thanks.

Anyone else who has signature issues, can email me at [email protected] or message me on the board.

Also, if anyone needs someone to make them a custom signature with their username or whatever, that can be arranged.