Tony signs extension.

[SpursPreacher]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/140801_tony_parker_signs_contract_extension

[smaka]

Even Woj doesn't have the details yet. :lol

[lefty]

Decent backup PG

[Dex]

:tu Excellent.

[DisAsTerBot]

from the article :

Only two active NBA players, Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant, have appeared in more postseason games than Parker. Among all-time NBA Playoff career leaders he ranks 12th in points (with 3,705), eighth in assists (1,034) and eighth in games (196)

pretty impressive

[Darius Bieber]

Good... I think he gets too much hate on here sometimes. With Diaw signing too, it made it easy for Tony.

[boutons_deux]

that's some batchelor party tonight

[lefty]

Of course TP and Kirby had a lot of postseason games

They played with Duncan, Shaq/MVPayu respectively


Duh

[Ron Swanson]

I'll wait for the official announcement from tspence.

[BatManu20]

Nice. Cherry on top of an amazing offseason.

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[smaka]

Nice. Cherry on top of the an amazing offseason.
Cherry on top would be Leonard extension, imo.

[Richie]

Am I correct in saying it can only be a 3 year extension under the CBA?

[BatManu20]

Cherry on top would be Leonard extension, imo.

That's coming shortly imo.

[loveforthegame]

Good news. :tu

Now get Leonard's done.

[spurraider21]

good to hear. tony's game has always been evolving, so he should age well. still, i hope he wasn't overpaid given how old he will be throughout the duration of the deal

[DesignatedT]

I'll guess 3/40.

Dudes been underpaid his whole career so he deserves whatever he gets tbh.

[BatManu20]

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[-21-]

Great news. I want him to finish his career as a Spur.

[Chinook]

There goes the plan to use 2015 cap space.

[Muser]

Will be his last "big" contract, crazy to think he's 32.

[Richie]

Cherry on top would be Leonard extension, imo.

A Leonard extension would be a concession that we won't be going after free agents next summer.

No benefit whatsoever for the Spurs in giving Kawhi an extension before his deadline.

[fred33]

good wedding gift for tony

[T Park]

I'll guess 3/40.

Dudes been underpaid his whole career so he deserves whatever he gets tbh.

Agreed. That 4/50 contract was an absolute steal.

[SupremeGuy]

Well, that was random. Hopefully he can continue playing at a high level for the entire length of his extension. He didn't retire from international ball right? Just took this year off?

[Chinook]

Well, that was random. Hopefully he can continue playing at a high level for the entire length of his extension. He didn't retire from international ball right? Just took this year off?

Retiring in 2016. Just took this year off.

[Richie]

There goes the plan to use 2015 cap space.

Why? We had to extend Tony before we signed any free agent anyway, it just happened earlier than expected.

[TheGreatYacht]

There goes the plan to use 2015 cap space.
Thank Splitter and Diaw for that

[Juggity]

Great news. He'll be a spur for life no doubt.

[DesignatedT]

Peter Holt recently said in an interview that Tim Tony and Manu can play for however long they want for the Spurs. I don't think he was joking or exaggerating. The Big three will all retire as Spurs, there was never any alternative.

[urunobili]

Dynasty :cry

[dabom]

Buy while it's low. Good job Spurs FO.

[TheGreatYacht]

3yr/45M (per Woj)

[DPG21920]

TP has always chosen security over uncertainty & it appears this was no different. I am sure he took into consideration some of the injuries popping up and will probably be a better than expected contract for the Spurs IMO. I don't think he gets paid his market value, it will probably be a value deal like his last deal.

Good news is either way, it was the right thing to do. Kawhi's deal is much more complicated and hopefully it's not a 5 year extension. I wonder if Tim/Manu are next? Green is in line for a deal as well, but he might test the market.

[BatManu20]

Tony getting paid. He's overdue though tbh. He's been underpaid his whole career.

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[Chinook]

Why? We had to extend Tony before we signed any free agent anyway, it just happened earlier than expected.

I disagree. They could have waited and done what they did with Duncan. Better for all parties provided Parker doesn't fall off this season.

[TheGreatYacht]

If 2013 Manu got 14M/yr

It was only right Parker got the same at the same age

[Shifty]

@MarkDeeksNBA:

"Tony Parker's maximum value extension would be three years and $43,335,938. Bet that's how much he got."

[Budkin]

Spur for life!

[DPG21920]

Well, damn. While it's fair, TP took the max. No more "discounts" and that hurts the cap space situation. I guess TP feels that TD/Manu will have to take the paycuts from here on out as he is the youngest.

[Chinook]

Whoa. Tony getting paid. He's overdue though tbh. He's been underpaid his whole career.

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That's a max extension. Tony's finally joined the club. Kawhi will be next.

[Vic Petro]

I disagree. They could have waited and done what they did with Duncan. Better for all parties provided Parker doesn't fall off this season.

This works out from a Spurs perspective but not so much from a Parker (and Parker's agent) perspective.

[Chinook]

Well, damn. While it's fair, TP took the max. No more "discounts" and that hurts the cap space situation. I guess TP feels that TD/Manu will have to take the paycuts from here on out as he is the youngest.

He'll still be making less than Kawhi. Not a bad deal by any means.

[Chinook]

This works out from a Spurs perspective but not so much from a Parker (and Parker's agent) perspective.

Why not? He could have gotten more by waiting.

[Mel_13]

Well, damn. While it's fair, TP took the max. No more "discounts" and that hurts the cap space situation. I guess TP feels that TD/Manu will have to take the paycuts from here on out as he is the youngest.

Manu got a max extension at the same age.

[TheGreatYacht]

Gordon Hayward now makes more money than Tony Parker the #2 best player this franchise has ever seen

[DesignatedT]

The Spurs prioritize taking care of their own over anything else. Just the way it is and one of the reasons why I love this organization so much.

[Richie]

Mark Deeks at Sham reporting his max possible deal is $43.3/3yr, crazy bargain. Means his salary next year will be at most $13.5m

[Baam]

Well, damn. While it's fair, TP took the max. No more "discounts" and that hurts the cap space situation. I guess TP feels that TD/Manu will have to take the paycuts from here on out as he is the youngest.

Calling that the max is dumb tbh...

[Vic Petro]

Why not? He could have gotten more by waiting.

Right but this money is there now. Like you mentioned, does he get a max deal next offseason if he sustains a Derek Rose injury in February? It's an extreme scenario but nonetheless, something he has to consider.

[Richie]

How are people acting like this isn't a discount? $14m per for Parker is still cheap, even if he declines somewhat.

[Chinook]

Mark Deeks at Sham reporting his max possible deal is $43.3/3yr, crazy bargain. Means his salary next year will be at most $13.5m

Yeah, $13.44M is the most it can be.

[DPG21920]

He'll still be making less than Kawhi. Not a bad deal by any means.

No not bad at all - but mildly surprising considering TD's/Manu's deals. I guess TP figures they will have cap space when they need it (after Tim/Manu are gone) regardless and he will rely on TD/Manu to take the paycuts to add to the team while they are here.

[Shifty]

Calling that the max is dumb tbh...
It's the max extension he could get based on his previous salary.

[-21-]

That's a max extension. Tony's finally joined the club. Kawhi will be next.
Do you think Danny will get one too?

[TheyCallMePro]

3 years/45 million.

Not bad. Parker is the best PG in the league hands down, and it's about time he gets paid like it. Chris Paul still makes 20 mil a year, but he has to give 50% of that back to the state of California due to their insane income taxes, which Texas doesn't even have. So Tony is actually making 5 mil more than him now. It's about damn time.

[DPG21920]

Calling that the max is dumb tbh...

No, it's 100% accurate is what it is. He wanted the security the extension provided and took the max of it.

[Baam]

No not bad at all - but mildly surprising considering TD's/Manu's deals. I guess TP figures they will have cap space when they need it (after Tim/Manu are gone) regardless and he will rely on TD/Manu to take the paycuts to add to the team while they are here.

:lol how much did you expect him to take, 10M?

[Chinook]

Right but this money is there now. Like you mentioned, does he get a max deal next offseason if he sustains a Derek Rose injury in February? It's an extreme scenario but nonetheless, something he has to consider.

Of course, but he's likely to be better next season, since he's resting this summer. I think he would have gotten bigger offers had he hit FA. I guess good for the Spurs that he's not.

[Raven]

well i did not see that coming.

[Mel_13]

Do you think Danny will get one too?

Danny can't be extended (only players on contracts at least 4 years long can be extended). He'll be a free agent next summer.

[Richie]

Why not? He could have gotten more by waiting.

Didn't you just answer your own question? His 3 year max would have been nearly $70m if he had waited until the summer, and would have certainly had suitors at that price even though I doubt he would choose to leave. It gives him security of course, but $43m is quite a low figure from his perspective IMO. I expected him to start at at least $14m and try and get a 4th year.

[DPG21920]

Manu got a max extension at the same age.

Absolutely. Also, winning the title probably took the pressure off of everyone to take less to win. They are still in good shape and TD/Manu who are older will be the ones to "take less" if they want to while they are here. I'm glad TP is locked up and this shows a commitment by both TP/Spurs that TP will stay even after TD/Manu are gone (more than likely).

I am more concerned about the Kawhi deal. I really hope the Spurs don't max Kawhi out with the 5yr max.

[FromWayDowntown]

from the article :

Only two active NBA players, Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant, have appeared in more postseason games than Parker. Among all-time NBA Playoff career leaders he ranks 12th in points (with 3,705), eighth in assists (1,034) and eighth in games (196)

pretty impressive

Those numbers say a lot about Tony being a major part of teams that have been good enough to play in a whole lot of playoff games.

Assuming he stays healthy for the next few years and the Spurs don't bottom out when Duncan retires (which now seems much less likely), Parker has a relatively good shot at finishing his career near the very top of the all-time lists in:


playoff games -- at 196, he's 63 short of Derek Fisher(259) for 1st; 5th place at the moment is Kobe with 220, so that's definitely within reach:


Games
259 -- Fisher
244 -- Horry
237 -- Abdul-Jabbar
234 -- Duncan
220 -- Bryant
216 -- O'Neal
208 -- Ainge
196 -- Parker

points -- he's 13th, but will almost certainly pass Havlicek and Hakeem to move into 11th place the next time he plays in the playoffs (he's only 50 points short of Hakeem for 12th, and 71 points short of Havlicek for 11th). One more long playoff run should get him past Larry Bird for 10th. Beyond that, it's at least another 500 points to jump into the top 9:


Points
5987 -- Jordan
5762 -- Abdul-Jabbar
5640 -- Bryant
5250 -- O'Neal
4988 -- Duncan
4761 -- K. Malone
4580 -- Erving
4457 -- West
4419 -- James
3897 -- Bird
3776 -- Havlicek
3755 -- Olajuwon
3705 -- Parker

assists -- he's 8th now, but only 6 behind Kobe for 7th, only 14 behind Pippen for 6th, only 27 behind Nash for 5th, and only 28 behind Bird for 4th. If he plays in the 2015 playoffs, Parker should at least finish that run ahead of Pippen and Bird, and will likely be ahead of Kobe. He won't be chasing Nash for long, even if Nash plays in the 2015 playoffs:


Assists
2346 -- Johnson
1839 -- Stockton
1263 -- Kidd
1062 -- Bird
1061 -- Nash
1048 -- Pippen
1040 -- Bryant
1034 -- Parker

[Baam]

Of course, but he's likely to be better next season, since he's resting this summer. I think he would have gotten bigger offers had he hit FA. I guess good for the Spurs that he's not.

He always said he wanted a extension tho, so it was never really a question... The thing tho is that he only has one of the 3 main ligaments on one of his ankles, which was the reason the last year of his previous deal was only partially garanteed so going for a extension is probably smart...

[-21-]

Danny can't be extended (only players on contracts at least 4 years long can be extended). He'll be a free agent next summer.
Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks.

[DPG21920]

:lol how much did you expect him to take, 10M?

I thought something around 3/36.

[TheGreatYacht]

3 years/45 million.

Not bad. Parker is the best PG in the league hands down, and it's about time he gets paid like it. Chris Paul still makes 20 mil a year, but he has to give 50% of that back to the state of California due to their insane income taxes, which Texas doesn't even have. So Tony is actually making 5 mil more than him now. It's about damn time.

[Richie]

Calling that the max is dumb tbh...

Agreed. The term 'max' has too many different meanings to be useful, a max extension is very different to a max contract in free agency.

[Shifty]

‏@Matthew_Tynan (https://twitter.com/Matthew_Tynan)
Parker extension details (if backloaded):2015-16: $13,437,5002016-17: $14,445,3122017-18: $15,453,124

[spurraider21]

Agreed. The term 'max' has too many different meanings to be useful, a max extension is very different to a max contract in free agency.
calling it the max makes perfect sense because they couldn't possibly have given more at this stage

[ElNono]

:lol of course he took the max. It's always been about him. Tim and Manu gave a 50% discount, go on a tear through the playoffs (#1 and #2 PER respectively) and hand this guy a ring, a max extension and a vacation with some dude in Vegas. What a life.



















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[Mel_13]

Absolutely. Also, winning the title probably took the pressure off of everyone to take less to win. They are still in good shape and TD/Manu who are older will be the ones to "take less" if they want to while they are here. I'm glad TP is locked up and this shows a commitment by both TP/Spurs that TP will stay even after TD/Manu are gone (more than likely).

I am more concerned about the Kawhi deal. I really hope the Spurs don't max Kawhi out with the 5yr max.

Barring an injury or a significant regression in playing level, Kawhi's annual salary in his next deal will be at or near the max. With the predicted increases in the salary cap, locking him up for 5 years at 2015 prices is not the worst thing that could happen.

[ElNono]

On a serious note, this aligns with the "2017 plan" now... Gotta take care of Kawhi and hope Timmy and/or Manu feel like playing for another 2-3 years.

[spurraider21]

‏@Matthew_Tynan (https://twitter.com/Matthew_Tynan)
Parker extension details (if backloaded):2015-16: $13,437,5002016-17: $14,445,3122017-18: $15,453,124
backloading it wouldn't be consistent with the other deals we've seen the last 2 summers. diaw, mills, splitter, and manu all had frontloaded deals

although i think since its an extension its probably not able to be frontloaded

[SupremeGuy]

Retiring in 2016. Just took this year off.Hmmm hopefully this extension makes him reconsider whether or not he wants to playing internationally anymore...

[Drachen]

If 2013 Manu got 14M/yr

It was only right Parker got the same at the same age

2013 manu got 2 years 14MM

[Mel_13]

backloading it wouldn't be consistent with the other deals we've seen the last 2 summers. diaw, mills, splitter, and manu all had frontloaded deals

13.4M is the most he could get in year 1. Frontloading the extension would reduce the total value by several million dollars.

[Richie]

backloading it wouldn't be consistent with the other deals we've seen the last 2 summers. diaw, mills, splitter, and manu all had frontloaded deals

although i think since its an extension its probably not able to be frontloaded

If it's not backloaded then the $45m figure from Woj will be way off. It is almost certainly going to be as described.

[Mel_13]

Hmmm hopefully this extension makes him reconsider whether or not he wants to playing internationally anymore...

He gave an interview in June where he said that he would play for France in 2015 and 2016.

[DPG21920]

Barring an injury or a significant regression in playing level, Kawhi's annual salary in his next deal will be at or near the max. With the predicted increases in the salary cap, locking him up for 5 years at 2015 prices is not the worst thing that could happen.

It's not the worst, but IMO it's clearly not the best. If the max another team offers him is Gordon Hayward money, there is absolutely no reason to pay him more. Especially because there are still questions on whether or not, in an expanded role, he would be worth that money. Seems likely and market price certainly dictates that, but I don't think it's an absolute. If you pay him a ton (highest paid player on the team even at Hayward money) and he somehow lives up to that, then fine, you can pay him more later if you want.

[Richie]

calling it the max makes perfect sense because they couldn't possibly have given more at this stage

But it's disingenuous. If he had wanted more money, he could have waited until the summer when his max would be around $120m/5yr. It's the biggest contract he could have signed today, but it's obviously not a max in the way it is spoken about with players like Bosh and Melo or Hayward.

[TheGreatYacht]

Those numbers say a lot about Tony being a major part of teams that have been good enough to play in a whole lot of playoff games.

Assuming he stays healthy for the next few years and the Spurs don't bottom out when Duncan retires (which now seems much less likely), Parker has a relatively good shot at finishing his career near the very top of the all-time lists in:
playoff games -- at 196, he's 63 short of Derek Fisher(259) for 1st; 5th place at the moment is Kobe with 220, so that's definitely within reach:
Games
259 -- Fisher
244 -- Horry
237 -- Abdul-Jabbar
234 -- Duncan
220 -- Bryant
216 -- O'Neal
208 -- Ainge
196 -- Parker

points -- he's 13th, but will almost certainly pass Havlicek and Hakeem to move into 11th place the next time he plays in the playoffs (he's only 50 points short of Hakeem for 12th, and 71 points short of Havlicek for 11th). One more long playoff run should get him past Larry Bird for 10th. Beyond that, it's at least another 500 points to jump into the top 9:
Points
5987 -- Jordan
5762 -- Abdul-Jabbar
5640 -- Bryant
5250 -- O'Neal
4988 -- Duncan
4761 -- K. Malone
4580 -- Erving
4457 -- West
4419 -- James
3897 -- Bird
3776 -- Havlicek
3755 -- Olajuwon
3705 -- Parker

assists -- he's 8th now, but only 6 behind Kobe for 7th, only 14 behind Pippen for 6th, only 27 behind Nash for 5th, and only 28 behind Bird for 4th. If he plays in the 2015 playoffs, Parker should at least finish that run ahead of Pippen and Bird, and will likely be ahead of Kobe. He won't be chasing Nash for long, even if Nash plays in the 2015 playoffs:
Assists
2346 -- Johnson
1839 -- Stockton
1263 -- Kidd
1062 -- Bird
1061 -- Nash
1048 -- Pippen
1040 -- Bryant
1034 -- Parker


Damn so next year Parker will pass Nash in Playoff assists at 32 :lol Nash has been in the league for 50 years too... Will pass Larry Bird in points as well hopefully

[jsandiego]

3 years/45 million.

Not bad. Parker is the best PG in the league hands down, and it's about time he gets paid like it. Chris Paul still makes 20 mil a year, but he has to give 50% of that back to the state of California due to their insane income taxes, which Texas doesn't even have. So Tony is actually making 5 mil more than him now. It's about damn time.Not exactly...

CA has a state income tax that tops out at 12.3%.

The rest of his taxes come from federal income taxes, which would be the same for TP9 or CP3.

I think the way the rules work, he's only paying CA state income tax on the games he plays in CA. The rest are paid at the state tax levels of those states.

Texas property taxes are killer compared to California, which are frozen by Prop 13 rules.

So it's true that you'll probably come out ahead in Texas, it's not nearly as big a difference as you'd think.

[Cry Havoc]

Solid contract. No problems with the amount he's getting. He's paid his dues, now it's time for the Spurs to return the favor to one of the most underrated players in the history of the NBA.

Lest anyone forget:

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[Shifty]

backloading it wouldn't be consistent with the other deals we've seen the last 2 summers. diaw, mills, splitter, and manu all had frontloaded deals

although i think since its an extension its probably not able to be frontloaded
But this is an extension, I don't think it can be frontloaded. Also, considering the cap is going up over the next few years, backloading deals is not as bad. Parker's salary would go up but it would mean even less of a percentage of the Spurs' cap.

[Richie]

It's not the worst, but IMO it's clearly not the best. If the max another team offers him is Gordon Hayward money, there is absolutely no reason to pay him more. Especially because there are still questions on whether or not, in an expanded role, he would be worth that money. Seems likely and market price certainly dictates that, but I don't think it's an absolute. If you pay him a ton (highest paid player on the team even at Hayward money) and he somehow lives up to that, then fine, you can pay him more later if you want.

It'd be impossible for the Spurs to pay him more per year than Hayward (relative to the cap), the only difference would be the 5th year.

[spurraider21]

But it's disingenuous. If he had wanted more money, he could have waited until the summer when his max would be around $120m/5yr. It's the biggest contract he could have signed today, but it's obviously not a max in the way it is spoken about with players like Bosh and Melo or Hayward.
if he played another season his market value could have changed based on performance/injury. i understand your point but i have no problems calling a max extension what it is :lol

[Mel_13]

It's not the worst, but IMO it's clearly not the best. If the max another team offers him is Gordon Hayward money, there is absolutely no reason to pay him more. Especially because there are still questions on whether or not, in an expanded role, he would be worth that money. Seems likely and market price certainly dictates that, but I don't think it's an absolute. If you pay him a ton (highest paid player on the team even at Hayward money) and he somehow lives up to that, then fine, you can pay him more later if you want.

That's said quite often here, but it's not true.

A reason to pay him more would be to keep him off the market next summer. Of course, they'd match a Hayward deal, but that's not the real danger. Think in terms of another franchise that wants to screw the Spurs. A two year max offer sheet with a player option after year 1 would be a very bad situation for the Spurs.

[spurraider21]

But this is an extension, I don't think it can be frontloaded. Also, considering the cap is going up over the next few years, backloading deals is not as bad. Parker's salary would go up but it would mean even less of a percentage of the Spurs' cap.
yeah i figured (and its been commented on by ST capologists)... his first year salary in an extension is based on what he's making in 14-15 and he is eligible for subsequent raises at that point

[lefty]

45/3 for a backup PG :lol

[DPG21920]

That's said quite often here, but it's not true.

A reason to pay him more would be to keep him off the market next summer. Of course, they'd match a Hayward deal, but that's not the real danger. Think in terms of another franchise that wants to screw the Spurs. A two year max offer sheet with a player option after year 1 would be a very bad situation for the Spurs.

I don't really see how that's a true danger to the Spurs, but I digress.

[DPG21920]

yeah i figured (and its been commented on by ST capologists)... his first year salary in an extension is based on what he's making in 14-15 and he is eligible for subsequent raises at that point

7.5% I believe.

[Drachen]

But it's disingenuous. If he had wanted more money, he could have waited until the summer when his max would be around $120m/5yr. It's the biggest contract he could have signed today, but it's obviously not a max in the way it is spoken about with players like Bosh and Melo or Hayward.

That's why people say "contact" or "extension". That's the secret to knowing if they are talking about a max contact our extension.

[Richie]

That's said quite often here, but it's not true.

A reason to pay him more would be to keep him off the market next summer. Of course, they'd match a Hayward deal, but that's not the real danger. Think in terms of another franchise that wants to screw the Spurs. A two year max offer sheet with a player option after year 1 would be a very bad situation for the Spurs.

Kawhi isn't Lebron, no way he would consider signing that sheet. Players like Lebron, Durant, Davis etc... could tear an ACL and still get a max contract, Leonard is not in that league. We'd obviously match regardless but if he failed to improve he might not get another shot at the max when the cap goes up.

[Mel_13]

I don't really see how that's a true danger to the Spurs, but I digress.

In that scenario, he'd be an unrestricted free agent in 2016 or 2017 instead of 2020. The cap would be higher in those years than 2015 which would make the cost of retaining him higher, not to say anything about the possibility that he could choose to play elsewhere.

[Chinook]

Danny can't be extended (only players on contracts at least 4 years long can be extended). He'll be a free agent next summer.

Indeed. It brings up an interesting (to me) hypothetical: Would it be possible for the Spurs to waive Green and then re-sign him using their MLE? Yes, I know that's a terrible idea for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the fact that he'd be claimed by the first team with cap space or a TE (and teams might even try to dump players to create a TE for him).

But provided that is was both possible and not inadvisable, the Spurs could offer Green a $22M/4 contract using their MLE, which would essentially be a $26M/4 deal from his perspective, as he would also pocket his current salary if he made it through waivers.

His contract breakdown would be as follows:

2014: actual salary--6.65M cap salary--9.33M
2015: actual salary--6.88M cap salary--5.54M
2016: actual salary--7.12M cap salary--5.78M
2017: actual salary--6.02M cap salary--6.02M

That'd save a lot of cap space, but as I said, impractical to the max. I bet Morey would try it, though.

[Mel_13]

Kawhi isn't Lebron, no way he would consider signing that sheet. Players like Lebron, Durant, Davis etc... could tear an ACL and still get a max contract, Leonard is not in that league. We'd obviously match regardless but if he failed to improve he might not get another shot at the max when the cap goes up.

That's your opinion.

[TheGreatYacht]

2013 manu got 2 years 14MM
No, 2012-2013 Manu earned 14M

[Mel_13]

Indeed. It brings up an interesting (to me) hypothetical: Would it be possible for the Spurs to waive Green and then re-sign him using their MLE? Yes, I know that's a terrible idea for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the fact that he'd be claimed by the first team with cap space or a TE (and teams might even try to dump players to create a TE for him).

But provided that is was both possible and not inadvisable, the Spurs could offer Green a $22M/4 contract using their MLE, which would essentially be a $26M/4 deal from his perspective, as he would also pocket his current salary if he made it through waivers.

His contract breakdown would be as follows:

2014: actual salary--6.65M cap salary--9.33M
2015: actual salary--6.88M cap salary--5.54M
2016: actual salary--7.12M cap salary--5.78M
2017: actual salary--6.02M cap salary--6.02M

That'd save a lot of cap space, but as I said, impractical to the max. I bet Morey would try it, though.

:lol

[Chinook]

yeah i figured (and its been commented on by ST capologists)... his first year salary in an extension is based on what he's making in 14-15 and he is eligible for subsequent raises at that point

That's not correct. His extension would be based on the first year of that extension (2015-2016). He'd be able to get "25 percent" of the cap for that year. Subsequent years are based on an increase from 2015-2016, not 2014-2015.

[DPG21920]

In that scenario, he'd be an unrestricted free agent in 2016 or 2017 instead of 2020. The cap would be higher in those years than 2015 which would make the cost of retaining him higher, not to say anything about the possibility that he could choose to play elsewhere.

Sure, I am just doubting the realism of that. It's clearly a threat in the sense it could happen, but I can't think of any players in Kawhi's situation that turn down a massive guaranteed pay raise for 4 years, just for the chance that their could be more money in shorter time if the cap goes up.

[Richie]

Indeed. It brings up an interesting (to me) hypothetical: Would it be possible for the Spurs to waive Green and then re-sign him using their MLE? Yes, I know that's a terrible idea for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the fact that he'd be claimed by the first team with cap space or a TE (and teams might even try to dump players to create a TE for him).

But provided that is was both possible and not inadvisable, the Spurs could offer Green a $22M/4 contract using their MLE, which would essentially be a $26M/4 deal from his perspective, as he would also pocket his current salary if he made it through waivers.

His contract breakdown would be as follows:

2014: actual salary--6.65M cap salary--9.33M
2015: actual salary--6.88M cap salary--5.54M
2016: actual salary--7.12M cap salary--5.78M
2017: actual salary--6.02M cap salary--6.02M

That'd save a lot of cap space, but as I said, impractical to the max. I bet Morey would try it, though.

Pretty sure a team can't re-sign a waived player until their original contract ends, so we'd have to wait until next summer to bring him back at which point we'd just use cap space.

[spurraider21]

That's not correct. His extension would be based on the first year of that extension (2015-2016). He'd be able to get "25 percent" of the cap for that year. Subsequent years are based on an increase from 2015-2016, not 2014-2015.
ah, i was inaccurate with the 25% (thought it was based on his 14-15 salary) but i knew the raises were based on the first year of the extension

[Chinook]

Pretty sure a team can't re-sign a waived player until their original contract ends, so we'd have to wait until next summer to bring him back at which point we'd just use cap space.

I don't know if that's true. The team waived Green and re-signed him in the same year back in 2010-2011. It wasn't a 10-day thing, either.

[Mel_13]

Sure, I am just doubting the realism of that. It's clearly a threat in the sense it could happen, but I can't think of any players in Kawhi's situation that turn down a massive guaranteed pay raise for 4 years, just for the chance that their could be more money in shorter time if the cap goes up.

I'm only making the point that there are potential reasons, from the Spurs perspective, for giving him a max extension. I think we've gotten a little lazy with an assumption that there are no reasons for the Spurs to do so.

[DPG21920]

My biggest thing is not the fear of Kawhi getting more money in a 5th year down the road (or even 2 years down the road in Mel's scenario), it's that Kawhi being a "max" player is far from a guaranteed thing. Sure, other guys (Hayward/Parsons) are getting big deals; while that sets the market price it certainly doesn't guarantee success.

With the question marks and rules in place, I just don't see a reason to pay the 5 year extension ever unless it's Lebron/Durant/Duncan type players. Could come back to bite you, but in the event that is true, Kawhi has earned the money then and you can still pay him.

[Johnny RIngo]

45 mil is a bit much for a declining PG that's a poor playoff performer

[Richie]

I don't know if that's true. The team waived Green and re-signed him in the same year back in 2010-2011. It wasn't a 10-day thing, either.

Hmmm, I imagine the first time he was signed it was on an guaranteed contract? I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure if this loophole existed teams would have used it before.

[Richie]

That's not correct. His extension would be based on the first year of that extension (2015-2016). He'd be able to get "25 percent" of the cap for that year. Subsequent years are based on an increase from 2015-2016, not 2014-2015.

Are you talking about Parker or Kawhi? spursraider21 is right about Parker, his 15-16 salary in an extension is determined by his 14-15 salary, it seems like you're describing Kawhi?

[DPG21920]

Hmmm, I imagine the first time he was signed it was on an guaranteed contract? I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure if this loophole existed teams would have used it before.

The reasons why teams don't use it, is because it's not practical like Chinook said. Any player worth using it, would be swooped up off of waivers.

[Chinook]

Hmmm, I imagine the first time he was signed it was on an guaranteed contract? I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure if this loophole existed teams would have used it before.

I think it doesn't get used because any player who's both good enough to get the full MLE but also on a small enough deal where waiving him and eating his salary makes sense would be a player who'd be claimed pretty quickly.

EDIT: Got DPG'd.

[Richie]

That's your opinion.

It is, and I'm willing to bet that I'm right.

[Mel_13]

Hmmm, I imagine the first time he was signed it was on an guaranteed contract? I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure if this loophole existed teams would have used it before.

Not really. As Chinook explained, this scenario is extremely unlikely because it depends on Green passing through waivers. It hasn't been tried because it almost certainly would fail.

[DPG21920]

Are you talking about Parker or Kawhi? spursraider21 is right about Parker, his 15-16 salary in an extension is determined by his 14-15 salary, it seems like you're describing Kawhi?

Correct. TP's extension, at YR1 of the extension is this year's salary (12.5M) times the max raise (7.5%). So 12.5M x 7.5% = 13.437M in YR1 of the extension.

[TheGreatYacht]

I can't wait to see Parker on the Spurs in 2016 playing without "8" giving up possessions. I expect an MVP caliber season next year

[elemento]

3y/43m starting at 13.4m. Great deal !

Glad to have Parker a few more years.

[Chinook]

Are you talking about Parker or Kawhi? spursraider21 is right about Parker, his 15-16 salary in an extension is determined by his 14-15 salary, it seems like you're describing Kawhi?

Yes. I meant Kawhi. spurraider21 is certainly correct if he was talking about Parker. It's still hard to me to believe Tony has an extension, since we've pretty much only talked about Leonard for months.

[spurraider21]

yeah i was talkin about parker

[Chinook]

yeah i was talkin about parker

I apologize, bro.

[spurraider21]

I apologize, bro.
:lol no need, i dont get upset. to a degree, i enjoy being corrected

[BatManu20]

495286455988518914

[Brunodf]

:wowSpurs overpaid him too... Holy s#it

[Richie]

Edit: Nevermind

[spurraider21]

:wowSpurs overpaid him too... Holy s#it
what do you mean "too"

who is overpaid?

[TheGreatYacht]

:wowSpurs overpaid him too... Holy s#it
This isn't the Splitter and Manu thread.. What do you mean overpaid?

[spurraider21]

i'm pretty sure both Splitter and Manu earned last year's paychecks and then some

[Brunodf]

what do you mean "too"

who is overpaid?
Splitter, Diaw

[Drachen]

No, 2012-2013 Manu earned 14M

Oh, my bad. Misunderstood.

[Brunodf]

This isn't the Splitter and Manu thread.. What do you mean overpaid?
32 yr old that was maybe a top 5 player on the Spurs last post season doesnt deserve more than 12m/yr...

[Raven]

i guess he earned it.

[TheGreatYacht]

Oh, my bad. Misunderstood.
It's all good

[Johnny RIngo]

No, 2012-2013 Manu earned 14M

2013 Manu sucked but 2014 TP was pretty bad too.

[Chinook]

I'm not convinced by that argument. Only a team with a trade exception or cap space could claim a player, and mid-season there aren't normally too many of those, although it would obviously be a possibility

Also there is the scenario where a team might waive a player who is being overpaid to the point where he wouldn't get claimed. Let's say Green was making $10m and it's his final year, it's unlikely he'd be claimed and would probably clear waivers. Spurs could then re-sign him at the MLE (per your proposal) on a longer term deal. This would be a very powerful way of re-signing players for whom you don't hold Bird rights.

Granted it's an unlikely scenario but I don't see why it couldn't happen.

Well, nowadays, waiving a player mid-season means his contract is not stretched automatically (and can't be stretched by provision, either). So the Spurs would just be paying Green $15 Million for one year, which would be untenable for them. Also, it's hard to see a player who'd be making eight figures who'd also both be willing to setting for such a huge paycut and who'd be worth a long-term commitment. If Green were so overpaid that he'd go from $10 Million to half in one season, would it really make sense to blow the full MLE on him? Finally, it does seem like using your MLE to re-sign a player you had under contract already is an extremely poor use of the best financial resource your team had. For the Spurs, it could make sense, since they're at 15 (16, actually) spots already. But that's rarely the case.

All that said, it is possible to imagine some scenarios in which such an attempt might be advantageous. I'll try to see if I can come up with any real-life examples.

[TheGreatYacht]

32 yr old that was maybe a top 5 player on the Spurs last post season doesnt deserve more than 12m/yr...
He only led the Finals in PPG, shut down Lillard, and showed up against the Mavs while everyone on the bench was watching the World Cup...

[timtonymanu]

Don't mind the extension and Parker deserves it, but it's kinda frightening giving 45 million to a player that looks to be on the decline. Hopefully, his subpar play last year was just a result of fatigue.

[spurraider21]

Splitter, Diaw
hard for me to complain about splitter. bigs tend to get paid, and he wasn't some stiff out there. he was instrumental in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs and is arguably the best defensive player on the team. was also key in game 1 of the finals to end the 3rd/start the 4th in what was a tight game.

diaw is getting paid fairly for now (7 mil average to be the a key matchup against OKC and other teams that will try to go small) and isn't guaranteed much after year 2. how is that a bad deal?

[TheGreatYacht]

2013 Manu sucked but 2014 TP was pretty bad too.
Yeah I'm not denying that, my point is both were bad and Parker doesn't deserve to take a 3rd pay cut to play in SA (where we can't even get Kirilenko, Oden, Granger, Butler, Gasol, Blatche, etc)

[Malik Hairston]

He was really awful last year, hopefully it was mostly due to fatigue from Summer basketball, rather than the beginning of an ugly decline, tbh..

I don't mind the money, he's the 5th best Spurs player of all-time and deserves a lifetime achievement payment, but hopefully last year was an aberration..

[spurraider21]

He only led the Finals in PPG, shut down Lillard, and showed up against the Mavs while everyone on the bench was watching the World Cup...
the two best players in the dallas series were Splitter and Manu. I thought parker was wholly impressive against Portland

[kobyz]

Need to start now working on that defense to justify the contract...

[Brunodf]

hard for me to complain about splitter. bigs tend to get paid, and he wasn't some stiff out there. he was instrumental in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs and is arguably the best defensive player on the team. was also key in game 1 of the finals to end the 3rd/start the 4th in what was a tight game.

diaw is getting paid fairly for now (7 mil average to be the a key matchup against OKC and other teams that will try to go small) and isn't guaranteed much after year 2. how is that a bad deal?
For this season perfomance i agree that Splitter deserved his money, but at the time the spurs re-signed him, he wasn't worth of that contract...

I hope Tony does the same thing next season but i am really concerned now that Kawhi will demand the full max...

[TheGreatYacht]

the two best players in the dallas series were Splitter and Manu. I thought parker was wholly impressive against Portland
You know that was a horrible series when Splitter was pivotal :lol Green getting torched by Carter, Kawhi looked tremendously slow against Ellis, Duncan was going toe to toe with Blair, Parker and Calderon were playing "who can take the most rest on defense", our bench had to resolve to Bonner and Joseph going out there

[Spurs Brazil]

Great news!

[Macca76]

Splitter, Diaw

Besides Ayres, no spurs is overpaid. I think this is the best team value of the entire league. If you wanna see overpaid, look at this :lol

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Joel Anthony (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3247/joel-anthony)
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31
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245
UNLV
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225
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250
LSU
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180
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201
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238
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175
Missouri
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186
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C
22
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260
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27
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205
LSU
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25
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220
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32
6-7
220
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18
6-6
215
Kentucky
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24
7-0
253
North Carolina
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[spurraider21]

For this season perfomance i agree that Splitter deserved his money, but at the time the spurs re-signed him, he wasn't worth of that contract...
i guess he was, tbh. and his salary declines annually


I hope Tony does the same thing next season but i am really concerned now that Kawhi will demand the full max...
I doubt tony gets back to full 2013 MVParker level, but i think he will be somewhere in between 12/13 and 13/14 seasons. if thats the case, he's well worth it.

as for kawhi, it is a leap of faith, but Pop clearly loves him and always gushes about how much better he can/will be. besides there's a good chance that most of leonard's deal will be in the post-duncan/manu era... so i have my doubts that we'll be top tier contenders anyway, tbh

[spurraider21]

You know that was a horrible series when Splitter was pivotal :lol Green getting torched by Carter, Kawhi looked tremendously slow against Ellis, Duncan was going toe to toe with Blair, Parker and Calderon were playing "who can take the most rest on defense", our bench had to resolve to Bonner and Joseph going out there
yeah, it was ugly. good thing splitter/manu bailed us out

[Chinook]

495286455988518914

Waiting for Kawhi to chime in. "It's good."

[hater]

best PG in the league finally getting the recognition

:tu

[Richie]

Well, nowadays, waiving a player mid-season means his contract is not stretched automatically (and can't be stretched by provision, either). So the Spurs would just be paying Green $15 Million for one year, which would be untenable for them. Also, it's hard to see a player who'd be making eight figures who'd also both be willing to setting for such a huge paycut and who'd be worth a long-term commitment. If Green were so overpaid that he'd go from $10 Million to half in one season, would it really make sense to blow the full MLE on him? Finally, it does seem like using your MLE to re-sign a player you had under contract already is an extremely poor use of the best financial resource your team had. For the Spurs, it could make sense, since they're at 15 (16, actually) spots already. But that's rarely the case.

All that said, it is possible to imagine some scenarios in which such an attempt might be advantageous. I'll try to see if I can come up with any real-life examples.

As it pertains to the MLE, I'm putting this scenario forward in a situation where a team still has it's MLE in mid-season and does not plan on using it for any other reason. It would almost make it like a free exception, and a team wouldn't have to risk using the following years exception which would likely be more valuable.

Having looked at the non-Bird exception, I think my scenario falls apart somewhat. A non-bird exception for your own free agent is as good as the MLE if the player is already making an MLE or higher salary, so the situation I described wouldn't be logical.

In my gut I feel like there's a situation where it could work to a teams benefit, but I can't think of one.

[TheGreatYacht]

best PG in the league finally getting the recognition

:tu

[sexinthatsx]

Tiago = overpaid
Diaw = right amount
Manu = right amount (despite what anybody else thinks)
Parker = either right amount or even slightly underpaid

Let's be honest, if Spurs signed Parker for 12 mil a year for 3 years like all you guys have been bitching about, that extra 3 mil would not have been used to sign another player anyways. Spurs still currently have the MLE that they still haven't used yet. Parker DESERVES 15 mil a year, I don't understand why you guys are crying over this.

[hater]

I don't understand why you guys are crying over this.

Manutards tbh

[Perry Mason]

I know the posters complaining about the deal are just trolls, but let's just analyze this for a moment . If TP9 hits free agency at the end of next season, what do you think teams would offer him? $12-$15 million a year? LOL.

Tony can get a monster contract from a number of teams in free agency. And without Tony, the Spurs title window will close for the foreseeable future, and who knows if and when it would reopen. Don't the trolls like titles? TP is the best point guard in the league, and even if they don't agree with that, he is easily the best point guard for the Spurs.

So tbh Tony is again being underpaid in a material respect, but it was nice to see the Spurs give him the max extension as a way of showing their faith in him and appreciation for him.

[Chinook]

As it pertains to the MLE, I'm putting this scenario forward in a situation where a team still has it's MLE in mid-season and does not plan on using it for any other reason. It would almost make it like a free exception, and a team wouldn't have to risk using the following years exception which would likely be more valuable.

Having looked at the non-Bird exception, I think my scenario falls apart somewhat. A non-bird exception for your own free agent is as good as the MLE if the player is already making an MLE or higher salary, so the situation I described wouldn't be logical.

In my gut I feel like there's a situation where it could work to a teams benefit, but I can't think of one.

Don't sell yourself short, yet. The reason I proposed this scenario in the first place wasn't to get around Bird rights. Instead, it was a way to give a player money that wouldn't count against the cap in later years. In my Green hypothetical, the Spurs would actually save a good deal off their 2015 cap by essentially giving Green a huge first-year salary.

For players making bigger salaries, the benefits to their team are greater. The best examples I could find for players who'd take such a deal are Bass and Thornton. Both make salaries in the $6M-$8M range. Both would jump at $28M/4 deals in FA. Both could well have gotten such contracts from bad teams if they were FAs this off-season. While their current teams could not afford to sign them for MLE deals (neither has the full MLE left), provided that they could, using my hypothetical contract would save $2M-$3M in cap space in subsequent years.

[Jenks]

Tony Parker the #2 best player this franchise has ever seen
...no

[TheGreatYacht]

...no
Wasn't serious *sigh*

[bluebellmaniac]

Indeed. It brings up an interesting (to me) hypothetical: Would it be possible for the Spurs to waive Green and then re-sign him using their MLE? Yes, I know that's a terrible idea for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the fact that he'd be claimed by the first team with cap space or a TE (and teams might even try to dump players to create a TE for him).

But provided that is was both possible and not inadvisable, the Spurs could offer Green a $22M/4 contract using their MLE, which would essentially be a $26M/4 deal from his perspective, as he would also pocket his current salary if he made it through waivers.

His contract breakdown would be as follows:

2014: actual salary--6.65M cap salary--9.33M
2015: actual salary--6.88M cap salary--5.54M
2016: actual salary--7.12M cap salary--5.78M
2017: actual salary--6.02M cap salary--6.02M

That'd save a lot of cap space, but as I said, impractical to the max. I bet Morey would try it, though.

I thought the rule was something along the lines of:
Team A waives Player X with guaranteed contract. If Player X makes it through waivers, then Team A owes Player X his entire contract and affects their salary cap for the duration of the contract. If Team B signs Player X, then Team A's obligation to Player X in $ owed and salary cap hit is reduced by the amount of Team B's contract.

So in the given scenario, we would be both Team A and Team B, so our total obligation and affect on the salary cap would still be the original contract, since the new contract is less than the original.

[superbigtime]

Tony's sustained excellence can keep on rollin'

[cjw]

Tiago = overpaid

Yeah, it would have been fun trotting Robin Lopez out there to try to guard Dirk and Aldridge instead those first two series

[superbigtime]

Tony earns every cent.

[Chinook]

I thought the rule was something along the lines of:
Team A waives Player X with guaranteed contract. If Player X makes it through waivers, then Team A owes Player X his entire contract and affects their salary cap for the duration of the contract. If Team B signs Player X, then Team A's obligation to Player X in $ owed and salary cap hit is reduced by the amount of Team B's contract.

So in the given scenario, we would be both Team A and Team B, so our total obligation and affect on the salary cap would still be the original contract, since the new contract is less than the original.

What you're describing is the right of off-set. The Spurs could indeed claim such a right when they waived Green and only have to pay about $23 Million over the four years instead of $26 Million (as teams can't offset the full amount to matter what other contracts the player gets from another team). But the Spurs wouldn't do that in this scenario, which is why Green would go for it.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

i'm pretty sure both Splitter and Manu earned last year's paychecks and then some

Spurs would not have gotten pass Dallas if not for those two. Considering the money the Spurs made after the 1st round, I would say they definitely earned their pay checks.

[baseline bum]

Thank Splitter and Diaw for that

And for the 2014 title

[baseline bum]

Pretty fucking great deal to get Parker locked down for 3 years, $43 million. His market value would be significantly higher next summer in free agency unless he tears an ACL or something.

[Mel_13]

San Antonio Spurs All-Star guard Tony Parker has signed a three-year contract extension worth $43.3 million, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Parker will earn $12.5 million in the 2014-15 season, and his extension will start in the 2015-16 season. He will make $13.4 million, $14.4 million and $15.4 million during the extension, a league source said.

Parker, 32, played a pivotal role in the Spurs' fifth championship this season. He averaged 16.7 points a game for the Spurs, with whom he's played his 13-year NBA career. Parker has been an All-Star six times.

Parker's representatives with CAA finalized a deal with Spurs president R.C. Buford over the past few days, sources said.

San Antonio has reached extensions to bring back several of Parker's teammates this summer, including Boris Diaw, Patty Mills and Matt Bonner.

NBA Finals MVP Kawhi Leonard is eligible for his rookie extension before the start of the season, and he could be in line for a deal in the neighborhood of a maximum contract. Leonard could become a restricted free agent in the summer of 2015.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--tony-parker-s-extension-with-spurs-worth-nearly--45m-184038441.html

[benefactor]

All of the Big 3 are Spurs for life. Awesome.

[slick'81]

Yup tony ,Manu and Timmy going out together .nice pact for tp9

[JR3]

I'm down with this... taking care of our own shows future players that this is how we operate. This will have long term benefits in free agency as well as getting our younger to sign for less.

[mando6599]

I love the whole Spurs organization, top to bottom!

[buttsR4rebounding]

Do you think Danny will get one too?

Danny will become a free agent. I doesn't make sense for him to extend because it is based on his current salary. If he has another good season he can expect something 6 to 8 million range I would imagine. Couldn't do that with an extension.

[soxxx]

Lets go repeat so no one can ever bitch about anyones contract ever again!!!!

YOU CANT BUY Championships, but you can earn em!

[TheWriter]

495293829806063616

[TD 21]

This is pretty much exactly what I expected and it's a good deal. He's been mostly underpaid on his current contract and though he might be slightly overpaid on the back half of this one, the cap continues to rise, an extra few million per isn't going to cost them a significant player and he's earned somewhat of a lifetime achievement payment anyway.


Danny can't be extended (only players on contracts at least 4 years long can be extended). He'll be a free agent next summer.

Maybe so, but they can agree in principal to the framework of a contract anytime.

You heard it here first: 4/24.

[Spur|n|Austin]

I'll wait for the official announcement from tspence.

Who?









;)

[spurraider21]

495293829806063616
bullshit. faggot wants to play in New York spotlight then move back to France

[ElNono]

Throw $45m at me, I'll love the frigging Gaza strip too... :lol

[dabom]

Throw $45m at me, I'll love the frigging Gaza strip too... :lol

Maybe not. But we understand.

[will_spurs]

$45m for 3 years (even less than that) is a good price for Tony. He could certainly get more from another team, so he's actually being underpaid. At the same time it's still a raise from his previous contract, so it gives the right impression that he's "being paid". I guess both parties are very happy for this deal.

There's certainly been a decline in pure stats (mostly points and assists in his case) in 2014 but he still got an All-Star selection, All-NBA 2nd team, #12 in MVP ranking and a ring. I guess the news of his decline have been greatly exaggerated :lol His shooting is still elite (50%) and his 3pt shot is improving, which is good news as he's evolving into the kind of player he'll need to be in the latter stages of his career. And he's more of a leader than ever.

In many ways the Spurs are a gift that keep on giving. As a fan it is so satisfying to see the franchise being able to ensure the loyalty of the 3 future HOFers and knowing that all 3 of them are going to retire as Spurs. I guess few franchises have 3 players playing their whole careers for the same franchise, let alone future HOFers, let alone at the same time. Spurs fans are really blessed.

[urunobili]

Now that I saw the numbers and based how underpaid he currently is, he has given (yet again) the Spurs a discount :tu

[Cry Havoc]

He was really awful last year, hopefully it was mostly due to fatigue from Summer basketball, rather than the beginning of an ugly decline, tbh..

I don't mind the money, he's the 4th best Spurs player of all-time and deserves a lifetime achievement payment, but hopefully last year was an aberration..

Fixed.

[EVAY]

Nice wedding gift for Tony.

As others have pointed out, he has been underpaid for several years, and, compared to others around the league, remains underpaid. Once again points to his willingness to give up some things to stay with the Spurs.

He is happy and the Spurs are happy, so as a fan, I'm thrilled.

[wildbill2u]

Peter Holt recently said in an interview that Tim Tony and Manu can play for however long they want for the Spurs. I don't think he was joking or exaggerating. The Big three will all retire as Spurs, there was never any alternative.

These guys obviously want to remain Spurs for life. That kind of loyalty from players is rare in today's NBA where money is often the only goal of players. And it also says something about the Spurs management culture--led by Pop--that foments the "Spurs family" attitude.

There are no franchises in the NBA that are like the Spurs. None, nada, aucon, nessuno, nenhum, nedelkovska, Buckley's chance, Mate.

[Gino-Step]

We're signing this guy through 2017-2018????? Until he's age 36?

Wow. The French Steve Nash coming up without a 3pt shot or passing skills.

He'll make more in 1 year than Patty will in the coming 3 years.

Really happy for Tony Parker. Well done.

The good news is by 2017-2018, the cap could be 50% higher than now so really, this is an 8m/year contract - on par with Manu's current one.

I'm good as a Spurs fan :)

[spurraider21]

but he doesn't fit in an all length/mobility lineup like Daye does :cry

[exstatic]

There goes the plan to use 2015 cap space.

Tony was always going to be re-signed. The only thing that would CLOSE OUT using 2015 cap space is an extension for Kawhi instead of signing him next summer to a new contract after using his low cap figure to leverage cap space if T and M decide to hang up their kicks.

[exstatic]

Buy while it's low. Good job Spurs FO.

:lol 2014 All Star and 2014 2nd team All NBA. Your standards for excellence may be a little bit out of touch.

[spurraider21]

he was a token all-star selection, and everyone knows it

[exstatic]

I disagree. They could have waited and done what they did with Duncan. Better for all parties provided Parker doesn't fall off this season.
His cap hold would have been ENORMOUS until he was signed or renounced.

[exstatic]

he was a token all-star selection, and everyone knows it

There are NO token All NBA selections. It's a much higher bar. There are like 30 All Stars every year, but only 15 All NBA selections.

[exstatic]

Barring an injury or a significant regression in playing level, Kawhi's annual salary in his next deal will be at or near the max. With the predicted increases in the salary cap, locking him up for 5 years at 2015 prices is not the worst thing that could happen.

If you can get him to sign or extend next summer for 5 years at the MAX, with no opt out, you absolutely do it. By year 2, when the new TV deal is signed, that contract becomes an absolute steal, because the cap is going to SKYROCKET.

[howbouthemspurs]

This is great news!!

[exstatic]

But it's disingenuous. If he had wanted more money, he could have waited until the summer when his max would be around $120m/5yr. It's the biggest contract he could have signed today, but it's obviously not a max in the way it is spoken about with players like Bosh and Melo or Hayward.

The MAX varies from player to player based on years of service, so not even saying a new contract has a MAX value is correct.

[Chinook]

His cap hold would have been ENORMOUS until he was signed or renounced.

Cap holds mean little to competent FOs.

[exstatic]

Cap holds mean little to competent FOs.

They mean far less cap room, until signed or renounced. Even Morey can't undo that.

[Chinook]

They mean far less cap room, until signed or renounced. Even Morey can't undo that.

The moratorium pretty much negates that. Look at the Heat. They negotiated quite a few cap holds, and they've put together a strong team despite Lebron screwing them over by stalling so much.

[UnWantedTheory]

They mean far less cap room, until signed or renounced. Even Morey can't undo that.
He said competent not incompetent.

[superbigtime]

bargain price for best PG in the league and HOFer who loves SA and his teammates

[gilmor]

2013 Manu sucked but 2014 TP was pretty bad too.

Won the European champion and the tournament MVP and being crowned NBA Champion .. I think that's not too shabby..

[99 Problems]

Gordon Hayward now makes more money than Tony Parker the #2 best player this franchise has ever seen


Baynes on a couple of grand throws Dwight around like a rag doll. The media and fans having piss fits about lottery talent when only a handful make a diff compared to good recruiting of guys who can produce and be efficient. Everyone and everything is overrated in this league.

[99 Problems]

Oh, forgot to mention TP extension. :lobt2:

[gilmor]

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[Russ]

495377915077742593

To think, the Spurs almost traded TP for Jason Kidd.

Thankfully, Kidd's (then) wife realized she couldn't stand SA.

Then she realized she couldn't stand Kidd. :)

Congrats, TP.

[purist]

Anyone complaining about spurs over paying anyone on current roster is just Nba dumb

[exstatic]

Anyone complaining about spurs over paying anyone on current roster is just Nba dumb

If you haven't noticed, there's a LOT of that in this forum.

[sexinthatsx]

Yeah, it would have been fun trotting Robin Lopez out there to try to guard Dirk and Aldridge instead those first two series

Tiago is worth 8-9 mil a year, but I just don't think his contract should've been for that long of a period. That's what I meant by being overpaid

[100%duncan]

NB:lol

[BillMc]

Would Tony be eligible for a "No trade" clause? Can they add those on extensions? Would the press be informed if such a clause was put in the contract?

[Mel_13]

Would Tony be eligible for a "No trade" clause? Can they add those on extensions? Would the press be informed if such a clause was put in the contract?

Can't be added in an extension. He would have had to become a free agent next summer and sign a new contract.

This extension will take Tony to 17 seasons in the NBA and he's never been a free agent.

[spurraider21]

Tiago is worth 8-9 mil a year, but I just don't think his contract should've been for that long of a period. That's what I meant by being overpaid
So the annual salary isn't too high, but you're upset that we signed him through his entire prime rather than just a portion of it

[BillMc]

Can't be added in an extension. He would have had to become a free agent next summer and sign a new contract.

This extension will take Tony to 17 seasons in the NBA and he's never been a free agent.

Cheers. :toastThat's what I suspected (about the the no trade clause).

I never realized Tony had never gotten to free agency. That says something about him, our front office, and how they see each other.

[sexinthatsx]

So the annual salary isn't too high, but you're upset that we signed him through his entire prime rather than just a portion of it

It should have been a shorter contract for him to play better and be motivated to get an even better contract to prove his worth. That said, I do understand the contract that he was given since Tim Duncan was still undecided whether he was going to retire or not, so Tiago was insurance in essence. Also, on the contrary I don't believe Tiago is in his prime, I believe he can still improve somewhat - the shorter contract would motivate him.

[ABC]

This extension will take Tony to 17 seasons in the NBA and he's never been a free agent.

:wow

[Russo21]

Just love how the Spurs operate. They have re-signed/extended some of the best players in the NBA this offseason. Tony, Manu, Tim, Boris, Patty and hardly anyone has even noticed. Quiet and under the radar with no drama. Good stuff. I sincerely hope Tony retires a Spur and It looks like that's the way it will play out.

[FireMicoHalili]

If cap in 2016 is around $80-85M and Splitter, Leonard, and Parker combine for around $40M the remainder is still a boatload of space to toy with

[TampaDude]

...and that silver and black train keeps on rollin' along... :hat

[Brazil]

That's a solid extension for the spurs and TP. He has always privileged safety and contract extension rather than hitting free agency market. In that sense it's not a surprise.

[vander]

So the Spurs are paying him for past performance? Kinda like LA did with Bryant?

Surprising for a frugal small-market team with championship aspirations.

He's gonna be hobbling around the court with a walker for about 40 games when he's making $15 mill at 36.

But whatever, Spurs won't be contending then anyways. And I like the "Spur for life" aspect. That's pretty rare in any sport these days

[kaji157]

Seems a little high considering what he adds to the team now and what TD and Manu add.
Their figures are much lower. He will be making twice what manu makes and 1.5 duncan. But in a way it shows Leonard that the team gives back when you pay for the team.
What i don´t understand is that the spurs always needed their contracts to be resembling the production of the player in order to be successfull.
I don´t understand how they expect to be a competitive team after Tim and Manu go with TP and KL taking so much of the cap. Specially Tony. It just doesn´t addd up very well to me.
Anyways, can´t complain about any of the Big 3 contracts and it looks like Manu took a bigger paycut than we thought.

[will_spurs]

Seems a little high considering what he adds to the team now and what TD and Manu add.

The huge difference is that Parker still plays a lot more minutes and shoulders a lot more of the load than TD and Manu, both in the offseason and in the playoffs. And despite haters here saying he's going to decline fast, there's no sign of that just yet. Tony has a reliable jumpshot, is improving on 3s and is great at setting the pace: all skills that he won't lose with age.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs front office playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. Locking up TP for the remainder of his prime at a fair price especially with cap going up.

[EVAY]

Seems a little high considering what he adds to the team now and what TD and Manu add.
Their figures are much lower. He will be making twice what manu makes and 1.5 duncan. But in a way it shows Leonard that the team gives back when you pay for the team.

Anyways, can´t complain about any of the Big 3 contracts and it looks like Manu took a bigger paycut than we thought.

The relevant comparisons regarding Tim and Manu's contracts are to the ones Tim and Manu had when they were TP's age. Tim was still making $22M per year in his last contract year ending in the 2011 (or 2012? - can't remember exactly) playoffs. Manu was still making $14M per year in the contract year ending in 2013. During both of those final years of their respective contracts, Tony was carrying the team for somewhere between $10M-$11M per year.

[will_spurs]

A comparison of the big 3's salary at the same age:
- age 30: Tim $17.5m Manu $9.0m Tony $12.5m
- age 31: Tim $19.0m Manu $9.9m Tony $12.5m
- age 32: Tim $20.6m Manu $10.7m Tony $12.5m
- age 33: Tim $22.2m Manu $11.9m Tony $13.4m
- age 34: Tim $18.7m Manu $13.0m Tony $14.4m
- age 35: Tim $21.2m Manu $14.1m Tony $15.4m
- age 36: Tim $9.7m Manu $7.5m Tony ???

There's nothing inconsistent in the way the Big 3 has been treated by the Spurs. They all maxxed out at age 33-35. And Tony is still on schedule to get a big paycut when he's 36, like Tim and Manu.

[Richie]

So the Spurs are paying him for past performance? Kinda like LA did with Bryant?

Surprising for a frugal small-market team with championship aspirations.

He's gonna be hobbling around the court with a walker for about 40 games when he's making $15 mill at 36.

But whatever, Spurs won't be contending then anyways. And I like the "Spur for life" aspect. That's pretty rare in any sport these days

He only just turned 32, so he will spent the vast majority of his $15m year as a 34 year old. I still expect good production from 34 year old Tony, but if he does begin to decline I suspect that will be the first year we see it. If he continues his quality play for the next two years, which I expect he will, $28m combined for those couple of seasons will still be a bargain.

[Richie]

A comparison of the big 3's salary at the same age:
- age 30: Tim $17.5m Manu $9.0m Tony $12.5m
- age 31: Tim $19.0m Manu $9.9m Tony $12.5m
- age 32: Tim $20.6m Manu $10.7m Tony $12.5m
- age 33: Tim $22.2m Manu $11.9m Tony $13.4m
- age 34: Tim $18.7m Manu $13.0m Tony $14.4m
- age 35: Tim $21.2m Manu $14.1m Tony $15.4m
- age 36: Tim $9.7m Manu $7.5m Tony ???

There's nothing inconsistent in the way the Big 3 has been treated by the Spurs. They all maxxed out at age 33-35. And Tony is still on schedule to get a big paycut when he's 36, like Tim and Manu.

Everyone is making it sound like he's older than he is. Tony played 80 games as a 31 year old and 11 as a 32 year old last season. His first year of his new contract should be at age '32' in your table, not 33.

[Prime Time]

The thing some Spurs fans fail to understand is that it's not a matter of how much you think ___ is 'worth', the market decides that. Splitter would've gotten his money anywhere else, and that's why I feel Kawhi will end up with the max. A Spurs player taking less than his value should be a blessing, not an expectation.

[will_spurs]

Everyone is making it sound like he's older than he is. Tony played 80 games as a 31 year old and 11 as a 32 year old last season. His first year of his new contract should be at age '32' in your table, not 33.

The first year of his new contract is not next season (when he will play most games at age 32) but the season after next, which is why it's listed at age 33 in my table.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Cheers. :toastThat's what I suspected (about the the no trade clause).

I never realized Tony had never gotten to free agency. That says something about him, our front office, and how they see each other.

The FP's MO is well known and well appreciated, but here's a chance to appreciate TP. For a premier player like him never seeking to enter free agency in these days of prima donnas, suggests how much emphasis he has put on loyalty and continuity. The Spurs are as lucky to have TP as the vice versa.

[spurraider21]

A comparison of the big 3's salary at the same age:
- age 30: Tim $17.5m Manu $9.0m Tony $12.5m
- age 31: Tim $19.0m Manu $9.9m Tony $12.5m
- age 32: Tim $20.6m Manu $10.7m Tony $12.5m
- age 33: Tim $22.2m Manu $11.9m Tony $13.4m
- age 34: Tim $18.7m Manu $13.0m Tony $14.4m
- age 35: Tim $21.2m Manu $14.1m Tony $15.4m
- age 36: Tim $9.7m Manu $7.5m Tony ???

There's nothing inconsistent in the way the Big 3 has been treated by the Spurs. They all maxxed out at age 33-35. And Tony is still on schedule to get a big paycut when he's 36, like Tim and Manu.
nice breakdown :tu

[MultiTroll]

The huge difference is that Parker still plays a lot more minutes and shoulders a lot more of the load than TD and Manu, both in the offseason and in the playoffs. .
2014 Champ playoffs
Timmy Dunkar
23 games
32.7 min per game

Frenchy Parker
23 games
31.3 minutes per game

Reg Season
Timmy Dunkar
74 Games started
29.2 min per game

Frenchy
68 games started
29.4 min per game. (Thats like 20 seconds more per game average with 6 less games played.)

[rmt]

The huge difference is that Parker still plays a lot more minutes and shoulders a lot more of the load than TD and Manu, both in the offseason and in the playoffs. And despite haters here saying he's going to decline fast, there's no sign of that just yet. Tony has a reliable jumpshot, is improving on 3s and is great at setting the pace: all skills that he won't lose with age.

Totally disagree.

2013-14 regular season

Parker 1997 minutes total, 29.4 mins/game
Duncan 2158 minutes total, 29.2 mins/game
Leonard 29.1 mins/game

2014 playoffs

Parker 719 minutes total, 31.3 mins/game
Duncan 752 minutes total, 32.7 mins/game
Leonard 736 minutes total, 32 mins/game

You didn't see a decline from last year to this? He was dog-tired, injured - was it decline or because he played for France in the summer?

[Gospursel]

does anyone really believe he would be paid LESS anywhere else? How do people not see this as a discount? He is not getting paid near what he would on the open market.

[exstatic]

Totally disagree.

2013-14 regular season

Parker 1997 minutes total, 29.4 mins/game
Duncan 2158 minutes total, 29.2 mins/game
Leonard 29.1 mins/game

2014 playoffs

Parker 719 minutes total, 31.3 mins/game
Duncan 752 minutes total, 32.7 mins/game
Leonard 736 minutes total, 32 mins/game

You didn't see a decline from last year to this? He was dog-tired, injured - was it decline or because he played for France in the summer?

He played for France...for THREE SUMMERS IN A ROW, so yes, he was tired.

[ElNono]

Now they better pay Corey Joseph!

[Richie]

The first year of his new contract is not next season (when he will play most games at age 32) but the season after next, which is why it's listed at age 33 in my table.

Oh yeah, my bad. Got confused.

[Johnny RIngo]

He played for France...for THREE SUMMERS IN A ROW, so yes, he was tired.

That's his own fault for prioritizing meaningless off-season tourneys over the Spurs.

[ducks]

That's his own fault for prioritizing meaningless off-season tourneys over the Spurs.
yes it was but he thought since he was young he could handle it he now knows he can not
and it made leonard not want to play this year to

manu at age 37 wanted to play however only injury was going to keep him out

[Agloco]

yes it was but he thought since he was young he could handle it he now knows he can not
and it made leonard not want to play this year to

manu at age 37 wanted to play however only injury was going to keep him out

ducks taking any chance to shit on Manu. per par. :lol

[MultiTroll]

It should have been a shorter contract for him to play better and be motivated to get an even better contract to prove his worth.
Common knowledge pro athletes put out in a contract year so yes, i agree.
Combined with, realistically this may be the last shot at a Championship in a while. Certainly i think it's Duncans last shot. Will be thrilled to be wrong if Timmy and Manu continue to excell in 2015-16 but have to feel like this upcoming year is the curtain call. One thing for sure, it's the last chance to repeat. So yes i would have rather had Frenchy playing butthurt with a chip on his shoulder trying as hard as he could to land another big contract.

[TheGreatYacht]

To the idiots saying Tony Parker doesn't deserve this contract..


Elton Brand career earnings: $165.3M (15 seasons)


Rashard Lewis career earnings: $155.3M (17 seasons)


Joe Johnson career earnings: $150.5M (13 seasons)


Baron Davis career earnings: $147.7M (14 seasons)


Amare Stoudamire career earnings: $142.3M (12 seasons)


Gilbert Arenas career earnings: $140.7M (13 seasons)


Zach Randolph career earnings: $138.6M (13 seasons)


Shawn Marion career earnings: $133.4M (15 seasons)


Carlos Boozer career earnings: $129.3M (12 seasons)


Tyson Chandler career earnings: $120.8M (13 seasons)


Lamar Odom career earnings: $114.9M (14 seasons)


Kenyon Martin career earnings: $112.6M (14 seasons)


Richard Hamilton career earnings: $109.1M (15 seasons)


Tony Parker career earnings: $107.4M (13 seasons)


Richard Jefferson career earnings: $106.6M (13 seasons)


Andrei Kirilenko career earnings: $104.4M (13 seasons)


Steve Francis career earnings: $103.5M (10 seasons)




Some players earning more than Tony Parker in 2014-2015:


Omer Asik
Jeremy Lin
Gordon Hayward
Chandler Parsons
Amare Stoudamire
Tyson Chandler
Roy Hibbert
Joe Johnson
Eric Gordon
Zach Randolph
Rudy Gay
Deron Williams

[gilmor]

Just compare chris paul to tony parker.. and you know it's worth it..

How about Derrick Rose? Let's compare Rose to parker.. and you know it's worth it..

[TheGreatYacht]

To the idiots saying Tony Parker doesn't deserve this contract..


Elton Brand career earnings: $165.3M (15 seasons)


Rashard Lewis career earnings: $155.3M (17 seasons)


Joe Johnson career earnings: $150.5M (13 seasons)


Baron Davis career earnings: $147.7M (14 seasons)


Amare Stoudamire career earnings: $142.3M (12 seasons)


Gilbert Arenas career earnings: $140.7M (13 seasons)


Zach Randolph career earnings: $138.6M (13 seasons)


Shawn Marion career earnings: $133.4M (15 seasons)


Carlos Boozer career earnings: $129.3M (12 seasons)


Tyson Chandler career earnings: $120.8M (13 seasons)


Lamar Odom career earnings: $114.9M (14 seasons)


Kenyon Martin career earnings: $112.6M (14 seasons)


Richard Hamilton career earnings: $109.1M (15 seasons)


Tony Parker career earnings: $107.4M (13 seasons)


Richard Jefferson career earnings: $106.6M (13 seasons)


Andrei Kirilenko career earnings: $104.4M (13 seasons)


Steve Francis career earnings: $103.5M (10 seasons)




Some players earning more than Tony Parker in 2014-2015:


Omer Asik
Jeremy Lin
Gordon Hayward
Chandler Parsons
Amare Stoudamire
Tyson Chandler
Roy Hibbert
Joe Johnson
Eric Gordon
Zach Randolph
Rudy Gay
Deron Williams
I'll update this when his contract is up :tu

[anakha]

Post that downstairs.

[jeebus]

:lmao

[lefty]

I'll update this when his contract is up :tu


:lmao
:lmao Jeremy Parker

[jeebus]

Some players earning more than Tony Parker in 2014-2015:


Omer Asik
Jeremy Lin
Gordon Hayward
Chandler Parsons
Amare Stoudamire
Tyson Chandler
Roy Hibbert
Joe Johnson
Eric Gordon
Zach Randolph
Rudy Gay
Deron Williams

Interesting. All these players are better than Enrique

[ElNono]

:lol

[FkLA]

:vomit:

[lefty]

Interesting. All these players are better than Enrique
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/duh.gif

[KL2]

Thread full of so much fail.

Wonder where this contract will rank in Spurs history, worst contract of all time?

[Nathan89]

Decent backup PG

Sadly not even.