China to Ban Coal by 2020

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/5/china-bans-all-coal-usage-sale-beijing-2020/

We all got to see how polluted Beijiing was during the Olympics. Seems they are finally getting serious.

Its important for us because the GOP objections to various climate treaties endorsed by our allies has been that China refuses to abide. Times are changing and another GOP excuse is out the door.

[boutons_deux]

China and India are both moving to solar and wind (and natural gas) very fast, due to those countries having a "national energy policy", whereas USA has an "enrich/protect the corporations national energy policy" that weakens, freezes, kills RES. renewable energy standards, certainly in Repug states where the Repugs are against renewable energy while their states's citizens are mostly for it.

As always, y'all Repugs are diametrically wrong and anti-democratic on every fucking thing. The corporations pay them to be wrong.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm currently buying stock in an OTC company finishing up an LNG terminal in Australia...that one is going to be a freaking out of the park home run with China cutting coal.

[boutons_deux]

How Ontario Won the War on Coal

In April, eight months ahead of a schedule plotted 11 years ago, Ontario’s energy ministry announced (http://news.ontario.ca/mei/en/2014/04/creating-cleaner-air-in-ontario-1.html) the closing of the Thunder Bay coal-generating plant, on the shores of Lake Superior. “The Thunder Bay Generating Station, Ontario's last remaining coal-fired facility, has burned its last supply of coal,” Ontario’s energy ministry stated (http://news.ontario.ca/mei/en/2014/04/creating-cleaner-air-in-ontario-1.html). The action, it noted, ensured that Ontario, which 10 years ago relied on coal for 25 percent of its electricity, “is now the first jurisdiction in North America to fully eliminate coal as a source of electricity generation.”

Ontario’s reliance on coal—for about 25 percent of generation—was less severe than that of many other areas. (In the U.S., coal still accounts for about 35 percent of generation.) That’s because Ontario had a long-standing, huge, built-in base of two sources of emission-free, nonintermittent power: nuclear and hydro. In 2003, these two sources accounted for a majority of electricity production in Ontario. So a major campaign in Ontario’s war on coal was boosting the output of existing noncoal facilities.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2014/08/ontario_s_war_on_coal_how_a_heavily_populated_heav y_industry_canadian_province.html

[Wild Cobra]

If China was getting serious, they would stop building the dirty coal plants they still are building.

Does anyone buy this tripe like the OP does?

[boutons_deux]

If China was getting serious, they would stop building the dirty coal plants they still are building.

Does anyone buy this tripe like the OP does?

Dear TripeBrains, China cannot, nor can any country, turn energy sources on a dime. They have a national policy to move to solar and wind, esp since they have to import so much coal.

Miners Struggle as China's Appetite for Coal Eases

http://online.wsj.com/articles/miners-struggle-as-chinas-appetite-for-coal-eases-1405340884

[xeromass]

They're not banning coal in China, they're banning coal in Beijing. 1.3 bil ppl vs. 21 mil ppl - big difference.

[TheSanityAnnex]

They're not banning coal in China, they're banning coal in Beijing. 1.3 bil ppl vs. 21 mil ppl - big difference.

Mods please edit thread title OP is a liar.

[Wild Cobra]

Mods please edit thread title OP is a liar.

That's nothing new. We all expect as much.

[scanry]

China imports coal like crazy from countries like Australia & India.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mods please edit thread title OP is a liar.

You trying to be my foil and then having dipshit tag along is pretty hilarious.

[boutons_deux]

China will install more solar power in 2014 alone than USA's total to date.

China Will Install More Solar This Year Than The U.S. Ever Has (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/08/08/3468974/china-solar-capacity-booming/)

According to new numbers released by the Chinese government, China added 3.3 gigawatts of solar capacity in the first six months of the year ending June 30, marking a 100 percent increase over the same period last year.

That brings China’s total solar supply to 23 gigawatts — 13 shy of the country’s goal of installing 35 by the end of 2015. In 2013 China installed around 11.3 gigawatts of solar, representing 37 percent of global growth, and the bulk of this year’s installations will come in the second half of the year.

The agency vows to install 13 gigawatts of solar power capacity this year, which would mean an average of more than one gigawatt a month for the rest of the year — an amount equatable to South Korea’s total (http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/26/solar-power-by-country-solar-rankings-by-country/) installed capacity as of 2013.

Australia, one of the most sunny, potentially solar power-friendly countries on Earth, has just about (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-07/china-add-australia-sized-solar-capacity-in-energy-push.html) 3.2 gigawatts of total solar installed capacity. The U.S. has over (http://cleantechnica.com/2014/04/24/us-solar-energy-capacity-grew-an-astounding-418-from-2010-2014/) 12 gigawatts of solar capacity installed.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/08/08/3468974/china-solar-capacity-booming/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+climateprogress%2FlCrX+%28Cli mate+Progress%29

[TDMVPDPOY]

china is better off purging its population then continue to build infrastructure if it cant keep up with population growth and supplying them with the basic necessities...

[boutons_deux]

china is better off purging its population then continue to build infrastructure if it cant keep up with population growth and supplying them with the basic necessities...

one of the huge demographic problems China's 'one child' policy has created is that millions of one-child couples are now old and need care by their families, the traditional Chinese solution, but now, esp if their only child has died or moved away, they don't have a family.

[m>s]

My home country also once "banned coal."

[TheSanityAnnex]

You trying to be my foil and then having dipshit tag along is pretty hilarious.
Is your thread title true or false?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Is your thread title true or false?

What governing body made the decision? You are pretty ignorant when it comes to what the subject of a sentence implies. They teach what the subject and verb mean out there in China.

It implies the doer ie who does the banning. The Chinese central authority issued the ban as the central authority does everything in china. While 'China bans coal in Beijing' may have been more explicit, it still holds true that 'China bans coal.'

Now go drown yourself.

[MannyIsGod]

What China does in Beijing is pretty unrepresentative of what they're doing throughout the whole country. It really doesn't mean all that much except that they're trying to superficially clean up their act in their most visible (or invisible with the pollution levels) city.

[boutons_deux]

What China does in Beijing is pretty unrepresentative of what they're doing throughout the whole country. It really doesn't mean all that much except that they're trying to superficially clean up their act in their most visible (or invisible with the pollution levels) city.

It's a big country. Massive conversion of energy sources takes time. My bet is that if they "fix" the Bejing region, it will be a template for fixing the entire country, esp the largest, and ever enlarging, cities, towards wind and solar.

[MannyIsGod]

They don't need a template for fixing the entire country as the US and Europe have already provided the template. The country is large, but the technology and knowhow are 40 years old. The biggest obstacle to implementing the changes is cost and the fact that the Chinese people don't care enough. Especially when you consider the level of power the government in China has. Say what you will about their form of government, but the government is able to enact change quickly because of their power. They just don't want to change yet.