Putin drops d hammer. About to ban all commercial flight over Russia

[cheguevara]

:lmao Europe

:lol good luck flying around 7 milllion square miles of territory :lol

:lmao :lol

Moscow may force European airlines to fly around Russia

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/05/uk-ukraine-crisis-russia-airlines-idUKKBN0G50CS20140805

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev threatened on Tuesday to retaliate for the grounding of a subsidiary of national airline Aeroflot because of EU sanctions, with one newspaper reporting that European flights to Asia over Siberia could be banned.

The business daily Vedomosti reported that Russia may restrict or ban European airlines from flying over Siberia on Asian routes, a move that would impose costs on European carriers by making flights take longer and require more fuel.

Vedomosti quoted one source as saying a ban could cost airlines like Lufthansa, British Airways and Air France 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion) over three months

[boutons_deux]

US says Russia has 20K troops on the Ukrainian border. If they invade, no telling how bad West-Russia "cold war" will be.

And of course, the Repugs/Fox say, will say, it's all Obama's fault for not bombing the shit out of Russia, which is another reason the Repugs should NEVER again get control of Congress and WH ... EVER!

[Infinite_limit]

US says Russia has 20K troops on the Ukrainian border. If they invade, no telling how bad West-Russia "cold war" will be.

And of course, the Repugs/Fox say, will say, it's all Obama's fault for not bombing the shit out of Russia, which is another reason the Repugs should NEVER again get control of Congress and WH ... EVER!
As an European, you get what you asked for. We gave in to Obama's demands and now Putin will make us pay.

[Cry Havoc]

:lmao Europe

:lol good luck flying around 7 milllion square miles of territory :lol

:lmao :lol

Moscow may force European airlines to fly around Russia

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/05/uk-ukraine-crisis-russia-airlines-idUKKBN0G50CS20140805

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev threatened on Tuesday to retaliate for the grounding of a subsidiary of national airline Aeroflot because of EU sanctions, with one newspaper reporting that European flights to Asia over Siberia could be banned.

The business daily Vedomosti reported that Russia may restrict or ban European airlines from flying over Siberia on Asian routes, a move that would impose costs on European carriers by making flights take longer and require more fuel.

Vedomosti quoted one source as saying a ban could cost airlines like Lufthansa, British Airways and Air France 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion) over three months

Russia isn't going to do this. It would be financial suicide. If they start raising the stakes, they could actually piss enough people off to have some serious sanctions brought to bear against them.

They can't win. It's them vs. all of Europe and the US right now. That is not a tenable position for Moscow, especially with their financial system already struggling to cope with the current crisis.

[Wild Cobra]

Russia isn't going to do this. It would be financial suicide. If they start raising the stakes, they could actually piss enough people off to have some serious sanctions brought to bear against them.

They can't win. It's them vs. all of Europe and the US right now. That is not a tenable position for Moscow, especially with their financial system already struggling to cope with the current crisis.
Well, maybe the sanctions should be lifted off of Russia.

Look who started it. Putin's just playing poker the right way instead of folding.

[boutons_deux]

yeah, Russian oligarchs, including VP, have $Bs stashed outside of Russia.

If the West started impounding those $Bs for Russia invading Ukraine (flight capital fleeing daily), I expect Russia would figure protecting the ethnic Russians in Ukraine wouldn't be worth the cost.

[Wild Cobra]

Putin's not going to fold. He will make the western leaders look like the idiots they are:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28687172

[Cry Havoc]

Putin's not going to fold. He will make the western leaders look like the idiots they are:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28687172

Putin was in a decent (not strong, but decent) position.

Then his miscreants shot down a civilian airline.

That completely brutalized his chances of remaining strong in this situation. His tough guy machismo (which, unsurprisingly, you have a hard on for) is such an obvious show of bluster and Europe is only going to go along with it so far.

[Cry Havoc]

:lol at thinking Russia can go toe-to-toe with the rest of the EU economically. It would certainly hurt the EU, but it would completely devastate the Mother country.

[Wild Cobra]

:lol at thinking Russia can go toe-to-toe with the rest of the EU economically. It would certainly hurt the EU, but it would completely devastate the Mother country.

I disagree.

The new Russia isn't the same as the old CCCP.

They supply the EU with something like 1/3rd of their oil and gas. The EU needs to watch out over this, especially since no hard evidence is presented.

[Wild Cobra]

Then his miscreants shot down a civilian airline.



Conflicting evidence says it may not have been the pro-Russian group.

It's pretty damn stupid to make such a unfounded claim with certainty.

[boutons_deux]

Putin's not going to fold. He will make the western leaders look like the idiots they are:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28687172

We'll see how long Russian people put up with losing all that food. Probably Putin is as responsive to his people as US govt is to Americans.

[Cry Havoc]

Conflicting evidence says it may not have been the pro-Russian group.

It's pretty damn stupid to make such a unfounded claim with certainty.

:lmao still in denial as per usual. Not even sure why I engage with you.

[Cry Havoc]

http://tinyurl.com/orm3bd6

[boutons_deux]

It's pretty damn stupid to make such a unfounded claim with certainty.

Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council spokesman Andrei Lysenko told Interfax Thursday that the Ukrainian army is not equipped with the SA-11, which raises questions about where the separatists may have gotten one (if that's in fact what they used).

For their part, rebel leaders deny having any Buk missile launchers. But other militia members told Russian state media (http://en.itar-tass.com/world/738262) last month that they had "taken control" of a number of SA-11s.

Update: U.S. officials have confirmed that MH17 was downed by a surface-to-air missile, according to The Post's own Ernesto Londoño.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/07/17/this-is-the-surface-to-air-missile-that-ukraine-says-shot-down-mh17/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696847/They-shouldnt-f-g-flying-There-war-going-Ukraine-intelligence-officials-release-phone-calls-claim-PROVES-Russia-shot-Flight-MH17.html

[ChumpDumper]

So Russia responds to claims it had a role in shooting down a commercial airliner by threatening to shoot down commercial airliners.

Smart move.

[Cry Havoc]

So Russia responds to claims it had a role in shooting down a commercial airliner by threatening to shoot down commercial airliners.

Smart move.

Hadn't thought of it this way... :lmao

[Infinite_limit]

:lmao still in denial as per usual. Not even sure why I engage with you.
Is this another "Iraq has WMDs and Saddam is working with Bin Laden"

> Don't believe a single word coming out of Washington

[The Reckoning]

russia is still a shell of what it used to be. and the fact that all modern western weaponry was initially designed to take out russian armor, it'd be a laughable war. only thing scary is nukes.

[spurraider21]

dont worry guys i'm sure obama will issue a stern warning

[hater]

The malay flight has not been proven to be shot down by a missile. Quite the contrary more evidence is coming up that the fusselage has bullet holes in it. As from artillery shells.

i agree so far the war cries over this resemble Iraq WMDs to the T

[Th'Pusher]

The malay flight has not been proven to be shot down by a missile. Quite the contrary more evidence is coming up that the fusselage has bullet holes in it. As from artillery shells.

i agree so far the war cries over this resemble Iraq WMDs to the T

Who's crying for war?

[cheguevara]

Who's crying for war?

US Navy destroyer, the USS Truxtun, has crossed Turkey's Bosphorus and entered the Black Sea. With the Crimea Peninsula getting ready to hold a referendum on independence from Ukraine in a week, the US is ramping up its military presence in the region.

“Given its continued provocations in Ukraine, today I have approved a new set of sanctions on some of Russia’s largest companies and financial institutions,” Obama said. “What we are expecting that the Russian leadership will see, once again, that its actions in Ukraine have consequences, including a weakening Russian economy and increasing diplomatic isolation.”

The Obama administration is sharing some intelligence and non-lethal equipment (like night-vision goggles and armored vehicles) with the Ukrainian army, and is preparing to up its support for Ukrainian National Guard training.

But Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin joined prominent Republicans in asking Obama to go further. He called for defensive weapons to be sent to Kiev, including ammunition and anti-aircraft missiles, after a closed-door briefing with Pentagon officials.

yeah, no warcries at all :rolleyes

[Cry Havoc]

US Navy destroyer, the USS Truxtun, has crossed Turkey's Bosphorus and entered the Black Sea. With the Crimea Peninsula getting ready to hold a referendum on independence from Ukraine in a week, the US is ramping up its military presence in the region.

“Given its continued provocations in Ukraine, today I have approved a new set of sanctions on some of Russia’s largest companies and financial institutions,” Obama said. “What we are expecting that the Russian leadership will see, once again, that its actions in Ukraine have consequences, including a weakening Russian economy and increasing diplomatic isolation.”

The Obama administration is sharing some intelligence and non-lethal equipment (like night-vision goggles and armored vehicles) with the Ukrainian army, and is preparing to up its support for Ukrainian National Guard training.

But Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin joined prominent Republicans in asking Obama to go further. He called for defensive weapons to be sent to Kiev, including ammunition and anti-aircraft missiles, after a closed-door briefing with Pentagon officials.

yeah, no warcries at all :rolleyes

Pfff. Posturing. No one is going to war. Russia and the US going to war would be disastrous for most of the world's economy. It would be stupidity beyond comprehension.

[cheguevara]

Pfff. Posturing. No one is going to war. Russia and the US going to war would be disastrous for most of the world's economy. It would be stupidity beyond comprehension.

:rolleyes

wake up. US vs USSR was going to happen years ago if not for a phone call John F Kennedy made to Krushev

you are really underestimating human stupidity. Let me guess, you thought TEPCO was doing a good job in Fukushima and the radiation is nothing more than eating a banana? :lmao

you seriously think Russia is not taking these aggressions as war cries????? Russia means business beleive that

[Infinite_limit]

Pfff. Posturing. No one is going to war. Russia and the US going to war would be disastrous for most of the world's economy. It would be stupidity beyond comprehension.
USA is already doing it's very best to hurt the world's economies.

Why doesn't USA just shut up and stay on their side of the Globe?

[cheguevara]

hope the warmongers can shut their piehole for a minute and read the following:

The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30 millimeter caliber projectile. (Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile” Global Research, July 30, 2014)

Evidently, inasmuch as the perforations are attributable to shelling, a shelling operation conducted from the ground could not have brought down an aircraft traveling above 30,000 feet.

Peter Haisenko’s study is corroborated by the Russian Ministry of Defense which pointed to a Ukrainian Su-25 jet in the flight corridor of the MH17, within proximity of the plane.

Ironically, the presence of a military aircraft is also confirmed by a BBC report conducted at the crash site on July 23.

ll the eyewitnesses interviewed by the BBC confirmed the presence of a Ukrainian military aircraft flying within proximity of Malaysian Airlines MH17 at the time that it was shot down:

Eyewitness #1: There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart. And [the fragments] blew apart like this, to the sides. And when …

Eyewitness #2: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.

Eyewitness #1: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.

Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].

http://www.globalresearch.ca/support-mh17-truth-osce-monitors-identify-shrapnel-like-holes-indicating-shelling-no-firm-evidence-of-a-missile-attack/5394324

the joke is over Obama.

[cheguevara]

http://i0.wp.com/www.rumormillnews.com/pix7/mh17cockpithit.jpg?w=615

[Wild Cobra]

hope the warmongers can shut their piehole for a minute and read the following:

The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30 millimeter caliber projectile. (Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile” Global Research, July 30, 2014)

Evidently, inasmuch as the perforations are attributable to shelling, a shelling operation conducted from the ground could not have brought down an aircraft traveling above 30,000 feet.

Peter Haisenko’s study is corroborated by the Russian Ministry of Defense which pointed to a Ukrainian Su-25 jet in the flight corridor of the MH17, within proximity of the plane.

Ironically, the presence of a military aircraft is also confirmed by a BBC report conducted at the crash site on July 23.

ll the eyewitnesses interviewed by the BBC confirmed the presence of a Ukrainian military aircraft flying within proximity of Malaysian Airlines MH17 at the time that it was shot down:

Eyewitness #1: There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart. And [the fragments] blew apart like this, to the sides. And when …

Eyewitness #2: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.

Eyewitness #1: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.

Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].

http://www.globalresearch.ca/support-mh17-truth-osce-monitors-identify-shrapnel-like-holes-indicating-shelling-no-firm-evidence-of-a-missile-attack/5394324

the joke is over Obama.

That's a sweet picture, opening it up...

[ChumpDumper]

http://i0.wp.com/www.rumormillnews.com/pix7/mh17cockpithit.jpg?w=615Was the plane just sitting still on the ground when it was shot down?

[pgardn]

:rolleyes

wake up. US vs USSR was going to happen years ago if not for a phone call John F Kennedy made to Krushev

you are really underestimating human stupidity. Let me guess, you thought TEPCO was doing a good job in Fukushima and the radiation is nothing more than eating a banana? :lmao

you seriously think Russia is not taking these aggressions as war cries????? Russia means business beleive that

They don't mean business. They are shooting themselves in the foot. They mean no business.

And no one underestimates human stupidity, you posted.

[pgardn]

That's a sweet picture, opening it up...

And another example.

Read more articles and tell us what you notice.

THEY don't want you to know this...
THEY want to make you believe...

Wake up for Gods sake, this is another chemtrail lunatic.
Ask this poster about 9/11.
Good Lord...

[Infinite_limit]

They don't mean business. They are shooting themselves in the foot. They mean no business.

And no one underestimates human stupidity, you posted.
Did you expect Putin to sit back while USA funded neo-nazis in their backyard? Russians aren't disorganized middle eastern fks.

Russia will wait it out while US & Israel's global reputation continues to plummet. Europe is politically moving towards Putinization anyhow.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the leadership of my country from both parties...using big words against putin when we dont even have a big trade with them, yet these couch potatoes love to stand in front of a camera using big words to provoke putin, go say it to his face damn it, dont hide behind UN, whatever delegation group

[pgardn]

the leadership of my country from both parties...using big words against putin when we dont even have a big trade with them, yet these couch potatoes love to stand in front of a camera using big words to provoke putin, go say it to his face damn it, dont hide behind UN, whatever delegation group

Say it to his face, like this is some MMA match, dumb shit Aussie
Do you gather wood when Putin takes off his shirt?

[pgardn]

Did you expect Putin to sit back while USA funded neo-nazis in their backyard? Russians aren't disorganized middle eastern fks.

Russia will wait it out while US & Israel's global reputation continues to plummet. Europe is politically moving towards Putinization anyhow.

Wait it out and retreat into some fanciful currency... Sure think, Nazi...
Wait it out, like the Cold War...

[pgardn]

Look who WC has as company...

Makes a poignant fruit basket.

[Cry Havoc]

:rolleyes

wake up. US vs USSR was going to happen years ago if not for a phone call John F Kennedy made to Krushev

Fifty years ago called. They want their news back. I guess because Germany invaded Poland 70 years ago that means we have to worried about the Krauts making advances in Europe too? :lol :lol :lol


you are really underestimating human stupidity. Let me guess, you thought TEPCO was doing a good job in Fukushima and the radiation is nothing more than eating a banana? :lmao

Ah, so we're comparing the threat of worldwide war to a poorly designed nuclear reactor. Seems logical to connect the dots. Also, you indirectly just called Putin a moron. :lol If he went to war with the US, every one of his cronies would lose billions of dollars. That ain't gonna happen.

Yb76AobIgcU


you seriously think Russia is not taking these aggressions as war cries????? Russia means business beleive that

And you know this because... why, exactly? Because you talk to Putin or one of Russia's highest aides regularly? Because it "seems" that way? Or because you just want to sensationalize this? :lol


USA is already doing it's very best to hurt the world's economies.

Why doesn't USA just shut up and stay on their side of the Globe?

Cool. We'll stop buying all those EU exports and watch every country on Earth collapse economically. :lol

[cheguevara]

Fifty years ago called. They want their news back. I guess because Germany invaded Poland 70 years ago that means we have to worried about the Krauts making advances in Europe too? :lol :lol :lol

My statement still stands. If you look at past history you will see human stupidity has been proven to create world misery time and time again. So your assumption that just because it's beyond stupid there won't be war is flawed.



Ah, so we're comparing the threat of worldwide war to a poorly designed nuclear reactor. Seems logical to connect the dots. Also, you indirectly just called Putin a moron. :lol If he went to war with the US, every one of his cronies would lose billions of dollars. That ain't gonna happen.


No we are comparing human stupidity which is everywhere including in the Fukushima disaster. Statement stands.

[Cry Havoc]

My statement still stands. If you look at past history you will see human stupidity has been proven to create world misery time and time again. So your assumption that just because it's beyond stupid there won't be war is flawed.

No we are comparing human stupidity which is everywhere including in the Fukushima disaster. Statement stands.

Russia would be directly shooting themselves in the foot with this. It's not going to happen. They are not going to destroy their economy just to beat their chest a little. Again. Not gonna happen. Sorry.

[m>s]

I guess because Germany invaded Poland 70 years ago that means we have to worried about the Krauts making advances in Europe too?

Yes, once the time is right and the nazi underground reassumes leadership in Berlin we will be taking back our stolen territories. All the war loot was laundered out and multinational front companies were set up abroad. The children and grandchildren of the party and SS are still around, lying in wait.

[m>s]

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140809/191869986/Russia-Forces-US-Submarine-Out-of-Boundary-Waters.html


MOSCOW, August 9 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Northern Fleet's anti-submarine forces havedetected (http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140807/191815550/Russias-Northern-Fleet-Tracks-Foreign-Submarine-During-Exercises.html) and forced out a US submarine from Russian boundary waters, a high-ranking source in Russia's Navy told RIA Novosti Saturday."On August 7, 2014, the patrol forces of the Northern Fleet detected a foreign submarine, supposedly a US Navy Virginia-class one, in the Barents Sea. A seaborne anti-submarine group, as well as an anti-submarine airplane Il-38, was sent to the region to search and track it down," the source said.
The Russian navy forced the submarine out of Russian waters after a 27-minute contact.
"This is far from being a single incident of finding foreign submarines in the Barents Sea lately. Similar behavior of NATO countries' submarines in the Barents Sea has caused dangerous navigational incidents many times," the source said.
In 1992, a US Baton-Rouge submarine clashed with the Northern Fleet's K-276 submarine in the Kolsky Bay. In 1986, UK's Splendid submarine clashed with the Northern Fleet's Typhoon.

[m>s]

the US had better back off if they know what's good for them..their military these days consists of women, gays, and overgrown manchildren and will get absolutely REKT going up against superior Russian ground forces. Soviet deep battle doctrine is going to rip our expensive fancy crap to shreds. The time may be right for the National Socialist government in exile to cut a deal with Russia to eliminate this common enemy.

[pgardn]

the US had better back off if they know what's good for them..their military these days consists of women, gays, and overgrown manchildren and will get absolutely REKT going up against superior Russian ground forces. Soviet deep battle doctrine is going to rip our expensive fancy crap to shreds. The time may be right for the National Socialist government in exile to cut a deal with Russia to eliminate this common enemy.

You are seriously hallucinating.

[Winehole23]

bbPqAI_wFzY

[cheguevara]

Poland asks US to buy apples banned by Russia
http://rt.com/business/179332-poland-us-import-apples/
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

Poland has asked the US to purchase the country's apples after Moscow banned all food imports from the EU, the US, and other countries who imposed sanctions on Russia over the Ukraine crisis.

Prior to the full embargo on food exports from the West, Russia’s agricultural watchdog Rosselkhoznadzor banned the import of practically all fruits and vegetables from Poland, citing a breach of food safety standards.


:lol prepare for incoming bouts of diahrrea America :lol

[boutons_deux]

Notice that the US sanctions hurt Europe much more than, if at all, they hurt USA.

[pgardn]

Notice that the US sanctions hurt Europe much more than, if at all, they hurt USA.

Yes they do.

But they will crush Russia the steeper they get.
You don't think the oligarchs have Putin's ear?
The sanctions are clearly hurting Russia.

Its Putins call. Go full in on eastern Ukraine and isolate yourself more economically.
The Europeans need to talk sense to the Ukranians though.
They are allowing militias to go in and street fight after the Army has cleared the way. This is not good at all. These Ukranian militias are every bit as bad as the Russian backed militias if not worse. This puts more pressure on Putin to react. He had pulled back all those forces and now they are more than ready to move in.

There is no need to make Putin look bad. He is very concerned about he is perceived as an individual. This makes him more likely to do what will hurt Everyone involved. Russians seem to have a desire to suffer to show manhood. And tough luck for the rest of the population. The economic Python squeezes slowly, so it's a sneaky pain.

[pgardn]

bbPqAI_wFzY

Hellbilly Death Metal...

I want to party with those guys, oh the stories they could tell...

-Bill Murray

[cheguevara]

Looks like bitchslapping the Eurotrash and Incompetent Americans time and time again are bearing fruits :lol

Putin’s electoral rating doubles in 2014
Some 82 percent of Russians with firm political preferences say they would vote for Vladimir Putin if a presidential poll were to be held on the nearest weekend, according to the latest research by independent pollster the Levada Center.

http://rt.com/files/news/2b/ef/40/00/1.jpg

[boutons_deux]

As if Putin cared WTF the proles thinks of him

[Infinite_limit]

Poland asks US to buy apples banned by Russia
http://rt.com/business/179332-poland-us-import-apples/
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

Poland has asked the US to purchase the country's apples after Moscow banned all food imports from the EU, the US, and other countries who imposed sanctions on Russia over the Ukraine crisis.

Prior to the full embargo on food exports from the West, Russia’s agricultural watchdog Rosselkhoznadzor banned the import of practically all fruits and vegetables from Poland, citing a breach of food safety standards.


:lol prepare for incoming bouts of diahrrea America :lol
That's what Polska gets for following the moronic Americans

[cheguevara]

Ecuador doesn’t need anybody’s permission to export agricultural products to Russia, which now has a big gap that needs to be filled after it banned supplies from a number of western countries, said President Rafael Correa.

“I want to immediately say that we don’t need to get anybody’s permission to sell products to friendly countries: as far as we know Latin America isn’t a part of the European Union,” as RIA cites Correa’s Tuesday comments to the Andes press agency.

His comments come a day after the Financial Times said the EU was going to persuade Latin American countries not to replace its agricultural exports to Russia.

[Infinite_limit]

Ecuador doesn’t need anybody’s permission to export agricultural products to Russia, which now has a big gap that needs to be filled after it banned supplies from a number of western countries, said President Rafael Correa.

“I want to immediately say that we don’t need to get anybody’s permission to sell products to friendly countries: as far as we know Latin America isn’t a part of the European Union,” as RIA cites Correa’s Tuesday comments to the Andes press agency.

His comments come a day after the Financial Times said the EU was going to persuade Latin American countries not to replace its agricultural exports to Russia.
LOL @ Europe hurting itself and pissing off it's neighbors to appease the Americans

[cheguevara]

Greek farmers say the Russian food embargo has already dealt a devastating blow to the country's agricultural economy, leaving at least 3.5 million kilogrammes of peaches rotting in refrigerated trucks after being turned back at the Russian border.

"There are around 3.5 million kilos of peaches currently rotting in trucks, and at the height of the summer another 3.5 million kilos have yet to be harvested," the Guardian quotes Apostolos Keranis head of the Federation of Greek truckers. "We're talking about huge, huge damage."

Russia buys more than 60 percent of Greek peach exports, and almost 90 percent of strawberries, says Christos Yannakakis, the president of Greece's largest regional association of growers and cooperatives.

Approximately a tenth of European agricultural exports go to Russia, which is worth around €11 billion a year, according to European Commission data.

oops apparently Europe is surprised Putin meant business :lol

[Wild Cobra]

Like I pointed out elsewhere, These sanctions will not hurt Russia. If anyone bothered to check, Russia is pretty self sufficient, and buys imported items that are more of a luxury than necessity.

[pgardn]

Like I pointed out elsewhere, These sanctions will not hurt Russia. If anyone bothered to check, Russia is pretty self sufficient, and buys imported items that are more of a luxury than necessity.

They already are hurting due to the minor sanctions.

Russia is undeniably NOT self sufficient, unless starvation sufficient.
If Russia is what you claim, go all in and invest in Russian companies.
Oh snap, they don't need the rest of the world for anything, they are self sufficient.
Just what the hell did you read to give you this idea?

Link please?

[lefty]

http://i0.wp.com/topekasnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Ioe3KfF.gif

[Wild Cobra]

They already are hurting due to the minor sanctions.

Russia is undeniably NOT self sufficient, unless starvation sufficient.
If Russia is what you claim, go all in and invest in Russian companies.
Oh snap, they don't need the rest of the world for anything, they are self sufficient.
Just what the hell did you read to give you this idea?

Link please?
I guess it depends on what one considers "hurt."

The EU, US, and other nations playing this sanction game will suffer more than Russia will.

As for a link? I prefer to let the future's history prove me right than a link war that has no meaning or resolve.

[boutons_deux]

We can be sure the oligarchs will buy, with their pocket change, all the peaches, etc they want from the black market for banned imports.

[pgardn]

The EU, US, and other nations playing this sanction game will suffer more than Russia will.

.

No.

No they won't.
You hear about the EU hurting because they will actually display the numbers for investors and such.
They have to give some semblance of reality out.
The Russians say what they deem in the best interest of who is in power.

When Boutons starts investing in Russia, instead of US companies, then we will know its safe.

[Wild Cobra]

When Boutons starts investing in Russia, instead of US companies, then we will know its safe.

LOL...

[spurraider21]

We can be sure the oligarchs will buy, with their pocket change, all the peaches, etc they want from the black market for banned imports.
you can be sure about pure speculations?

[TDMVPDPOY]

enjoyed the moment when putin called out the idiot leaders of my country trying to talk shit to him behind a wall of UN/NATO/TV....

go say it to his face....nobody will die for the 2 idiots running this country opening their big mouths without thinkin

lol 400m trade with russia stop...so whose going to come up with the loss trade? fkn liberals dont know shit but start shit for no reason

[xeromass]

The EU, US, and other nations playing this sanction game will suffer more than Russia will.

Wrong.

Rosneft Calls for State Aid (http://online.wsj.com/articles/rosneft-calls-for-state-aid-1408011126)

Russia's largest oil company is seeking 1.5 trillion rubles ($42 billion) in aid from the government to weather Western sanctions, the Vedomosti daily newspaper reported on Thursday. The chief executive of state-controlled Rosneft (http://quotes.wsj.com/RU/ROSN), ROSN.MZ -0.57% (http://quotes.wsj.com/RU/ROSN) Igor Sechin, has asked the Kremlin to authorize a payment from the National Wellbeing Fund—used to plug deficits in the pension system—to buy Rosneft bonds, according to the paper.
It cited a letter from Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev (http://topics.wsj.com/person/M/Dmitry-Medvedev/5396) to government officials who were asked to analyze the idea. The paper quoted an unnamed official who said that the plan was unlikely to get support.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Wrong.

Rosneft Calls for State Aid (http://online.wsj.com/articles/rosneft-calls-for-state-aid-1408011126)

Russia's largest oil company is seeking 1.5 trillion rubles ($42 billion) in aid from the government to weather Western sanctions, the Vedomosti daily newspaper reported on Thursday. The chief executive of state-controlled Rosneft (http://quotes.wsj.com/RU/ROSN), ROSN.MZ -0.57% (http://quotes.wsj.com/RU/ROSN) Igor Sechin, has asked the Kremlin to authorize a payment from the National Wellbeing Fund—used to plug deficits in the pension system—to buy Rosneft bonds, according to the paper.
It cited a letter from Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev (http://topics.wsj.com/person/M/Dmitry-Medvedev/5396) to government officials who were asked to analyze the idea. The paper quoted an unnamed official who said that the plan was unlikely to get support.

whats stopping them from selling shit to their commie axis of evil?

[Clipper Nation]

Poland asks US to buy apples banned by Russia
http://rt.com/business/179332-poland-us-import-apples/
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

Poland has asked the US to purchase the country's apples after Moscow banned all food imports from the EU, the US, and other countries who imposed sanctions on Russia over the Ukraine crisis.

Prior to the full embargo on food exports from the West, Russia’s agricultural watchdog Rosselkhoznadzor banned the import of practically all fruits and vegetables from Poland, citing a breach of food safety standards.


:lol prepare for incoming bouts of diahrrea America :lol
:lol Poland
:lol Infinite_limit

[pgardn]

enjoyed the moment when putin called out the idiot leaders of my country trying to talk shit to him behind a wall of UN/NATO/TV....

go say it to his face....nobody will die for the 2 idiots running this country opening their big mouths without thinkin

lol 400m trade with russia stop...so whose going to come up with the loss trade? fkn liberals dont know shit but start shit for no reason

Again with the say it to his face... This is not MMA clowning.

The Ukrainians are saying it to his face right now.
And luckily for ALL parties involved Putin has backed down.
Russia knows the noose will tighten if they give E. Ukraine a full go.
Russians finding store shelves empty again for years will not be a pleasant experience.
When they can't afford Vodka and are reduced to drinking Aftershave again, it's not going to be pleasant after the hurt is applied over a long period.

You think this is some sort of sprint... it will become a Marathon that Russians have not trained for. It's all fun right now. Just give it time if they make the wrong move. Prolonged suffering is something different. Putin understands this. Will he be ready to put his people through this yet again.

[Infinite_limit]

:lol Poland
:lol Infinite_limit (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43624)
Welcome to the Party. I already laughed at us for following the moronic American's witch hunt.

[Agloco]

Sooooo........did Putin drop the hammer yet?

[pgardn]

Sooooo........did Putin drop the hammer yet?

Yep.

He closed 4... not 1,2 or 3, but Fkn 4 McDonalds in Moscow.
Putin took off his shirt, marched into those restaurants, and he Fkn closed them.

Yep he did that.
When asked who did that? Putin said "I did that".

Has the S&P plummeted yet?

[Infinite_limit]

Yep.

He closed 4... not 1,2 or 3, but Fkn 4 McDonalds in Moscow.
Putin took off his shirt, marched into those restaurants, and he Fkn closed them.

Yep he did that.
When asked who did that? Putin said "I did that".

Has the S&P plummeted yet?
http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Peace/2014/Russia/putin-fist-reuters.jpg

[pgardn]

http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Peace/2014/Russia/putin-fist-reuters.jpg

Shit yeah.
Nyet to the quarter pounder.
And to the traitors of the motherland that no longer have jobs serving them.

[cheguevara]

breaking news: Obama found the backbone to sign his golf scoresheet

:wow

[boutons_deux]

breaking news: Obama found the backbone to sign his golf scoresheet

:wow

Now that he has HIS backbone, you gonna enlist so you and your great big Macho Man internet balls can go kill some Russkies?

[Agloco]

breaking news: Obama found the backbone to sign his golf scoresheet

:wow

I asked if Putin had dropped the hammer yet and you respond with this. Wonder not why people respond to you like you're the village idiot.

[cheguevara]

Now that he has HIS backbone, you gonna enlist so you and your great big Macho Man internet balls can go kill some Russkies?

1964 called... :rolleyes

[cheguevara]

War in east Ukraine to leave economy in ashes. Who will pay for recovery?

Before, the IMF money was a sure thing; now many analysts predict Ukraine could default by the end of the year.

Another looming financial burden hanging over Kiev is the $3 billion in Eurobonds issued from Russia in December 2013. Moscow can demand repayment before the bonds are due in 2015 if Ukraine’s debt-to-GDP surpasses 60 percent, which at present, seems likely.

Other Western aid includes a $1 billion loan guarantee from the US, up to $3 billion from the World Bank, €600 million from the EU, and $100 million from Japan.

[Agloco]

Yep.

He closed 4... not 1,2 or 3, but Fkn 4 McDonalds in Moscow.
Putin took off his shirt, marched into those restaurants, and he Fkn closed them.

Yep he did that.
When asked who did that? Putin said "I did that".

Has the S&P plummeted yet?


I could see this, but not before be ordered a Big Mac combo with a vodka chaser.

[pgardn]

I could see this, but not before be ordered a Big Mac combo with a vodka chaser.

It might be beets with an aftershave chaser like the good ole days, if the little bald man gets too prideful.

[cheguevara]

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1240/2992/original.jpg?w=600&h

[cheguevara]

"Wish we had a President who was as pro America as Putin is pro Russia. Wish we had a President who was a man instead of a man-child..." - Vin Diesel

[Wild Cobra]

"Wish we had a President who was as pro America as Putin is pro Russia. Wish we had a President who was a man instead of a man-child..." - Vin Diesel
I agree.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28855966

In the meantime grocery staples have gone up ~10% with shortages, outages and rationing beginning.

[boutons_deux]

"Wish we had a President who was as pro America as Putin is pro Russia. Wish we had a President who was a man instead of a man-child..." - Vin Diesel

VD? :lol

another childish asshole, like che with a childish idea of what "manhood" is, who wouldn't dare sign up to go fight Putin's guys.

[pgardn]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28855966

In the meantime grocery staples have gone up ~10% with shortages, outages and rationing beginning.

Constrictor hold applied.

If Putin was such a bad man he would have E. Ukraine by now. But he's thinking if Russia can actually handle the sleeper hold. So far he has fought back against the US by closing 4 McDonalds Restaurants, ouch...

[pgardn]

I agree.

The intellectual tag team and "I don't care who knows about it mister"

WC
m>s
che

Congrats.

[Wild Cobra]

The intellectual tag team and "I don't care who knows about it mister"

WC
m>s
che

Congrats.
Is this the type of debate that's important to you?

Wow...

I thought you were better than that.

My mistake.

[boutons_deux]

What would you Macho (wannabe) Men do to Pootin if you were in Obama's chair?

[pgardn]

Is this the type of debate that's important to you?

Wow...

I thought you were better than that.

My mistake.

Just making a list. Sorry if it offends you.

[CosmicCowboy]

What would you Macho (wannabe) Men do to Pootin if you were in Obama's chair?

I would expedite every single LNG terminal application and encourage more.

Russia is nothing but an oil/gas company with an army and nukes. because of their inherent inefficiency they need $100+ oil to stay solvent and a ready market for their gas which they can sell to europe for triple what it goes for in the US because Europe has few alternatives.

Kick Putin in the nuts by starving his cash cow. Might take a few years but Presidents are supposed to think past the next news cycle and sound bite.

[Agloco]

"Wish we had a President who was as pro America as Putin is pro Russia. Wish we had a President who was a man instead of a man-child..." - Vin Diesel


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28855966

In the meantime grocery staples have gone up ~10% with shortages, outages and rationing beginning.

:lol

Pro-Russia indeed. Putin doing everything in his power to wreck whatever is left of the Russian economy.

[ChumpDumper]

War in east Ukraine to leave economy in ashes. Who will pay for recovery?

Before, the IMF money was a sure thing; now many analysts predict Ukraine could default by the end of the year.

Another looming financial burden hanging over Kiev is the $3 billion in Eurobonds issued from Russia in December 2013. Moscow can demand repayment before the bonds are due in 2015 if Ukraine’s debt-to-GDP surpasses 60 percent, which at present, seems likely.

Other Western aid includes a $1 billion loan guarantee from the US, up to $3 billion from the World Bank, €600 million from the EU, and $100 million from Japan.lol quoting Russia state media without attribution.

Are you being paid by the Russian government?

[Infinite_limit]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28855966

In the meantime grocery staples have gone up ~10% with shortages, outages and rationing beginning.
OH NO. No more McDonalds

[Wild Cobra]

OH NO. No more McDonalds

Putin's a smart man to get rid of unhealthy food...

[boutons_deux]

What would you Macho (wannabe) Men do to Pootin if you were in Obama's chair?

[Wild Cobra]

Nobel peace prize?

[boutons_deux]

I would expedite every single LNG terminal application and encourage more.



:lol Europe isn't the only big market for Russian NG. China and Russia are talking pipelines, and other Asian countries would love to have Russian NG, exactly the same coutries that US LNG exporters are targeting.

The dominant effect of US becoming a huge NG exporter will be for US NG domestic prices to rise 3x or 4x to match world prices, just like US domestic-oil-at-world-prices is not saving US consumers anything, while selling/depleting US natural resources to the benefit BigOil and its wealthy investors.

[pgardn]

:lol Europe isn't the only big market for Russian NG. China and Russia are talking pipelines, and other Asian countries would love to have Russian NG, exactly the same coutries that US LNG exporters are targeting.

The dominant effect of US becoming a huge NG exporter will be for US NG domestic prices to rise 3x or 4x to match world prices, just like US domestic-oil-at-world-prices is not saving US consumers anything, while selling/depleting US natural resources to the benefit BigOil and its wealthy investors.

China absolutely took Russia to the cleaners with NG contracts. They got some overlapping deals very cheap. This basically illustrated the huge loss of leverage Russia foisted upon itself with this stupid Ukraine fiasco. Putin puts his pride before his brains and the Russian public, and many on this board, just lap it up.

A world power like Russia cannot feed itself. They have some of the most extensive farmland for the worlds #1 food crop, wheat(yes, ahead of rice), and they Frkn import the stuff? It's a joke. It's remarkable how badly their economy functions. It's hard to FK your economy up this poorly even if you attempted to ruin it on purpose. Their expertise in getting NG is so inferior to ours... and this is what their economy is based on, it's laughable.

When will this huge, proud nation with so many resources ever get things right? It's a cruel sad story what the majority of their people have had to endure. Put India in the same boat with a very different history. Huge markets make them players, but they can't make stuff. Sad.