Stephen Curry declares himself a better offensive player than LeBron James

[ducks]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/stephen-curry-declares-himself-a-better-offensive-player-than-lebron-james-195359116.html

[lefty]

no big deal

[Dex]

While this quote is taken out of context, I still like how Curry's mentality is "I'll just shoot from further out if I am guarded".

That alone is what makes Lebron a better offensive player.

[100%duncan]

I hope he's joking

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

While this quote is taken out of context, I still like how Curry's mentality is "I'll just shoot from further out if I am guarded".

That alone is what makes Lebron a better offensive player.

9 assists per game last year.

[Clipper Nation]

9 assists per game last year.
:lol Frizzle
:lol Actually thinking Curry > LeBron on offense

[spurraider21]

9 assists per game last year.
true, but in the interview at one point DP asked who is a flat out better scorer, and that was part of curry's response.

[kobe4life]

I would easily take Curry over the Great Satan when it comes to scoring. Curry has a great jump shot while the Great Satan doesn't have a jump shot at all. Also Curry is more honorable person he doesn't throw teamates under the bus or run away from his team when things get tough unlike the Great Satan.

[TDMVPDPOY]

enrique must agree here since his always on the other end of a beat down till pop puts kawhi on him

[Killakobe81]

A case can be made for players like durant or Curry being better than Lebron on offense depending on if you value shooting more than driving. I'd rather have Lebron he is by far the best passer of the three but I dont get why yall act like it's not debtable. Stop being Lebron dyckriders. he is by far the best player because there are two ends of the court, on offense Curry and Durant have a case ...Lebron is a far better post player even with his limited post moves.

[djohn2oo8]

A case can be made for players like durant or Curry being better than Lebron on offense depending on if you value shooting more than driving. I'd rather have Lebron he is by far the best passer of the three but I dont get why yall act like it's not debtable. Stop being Lebron dyckriders. he is by far the best player because there are two ends of the court, on offense Curry and Durant have a case ...Lebron is a far better post player even with his limited post moves.

No curry does not have a case. LeBron is the best at driving and more efficient shooting jumpers. And also a better passer. There is no debate. And better in the post.

[Killakobe81]

No curry does not have a case. LeBron is the best at driving and more efficient shooting jumpers. And also a better passer. There is no debate. And better in the post.

Apparrently anytime someone feels strongly on here ... they act like the other side can not be argued. I agree the case is weak. If he said he was a better shooter I would say his case is stronger. Yes, Lebron is more efficent than Curry but in some advanced stats Durant was more efficient than both. again I choose Lebron but a case can be made for the other two. Is all I am saying.

BTW, How is that case for Harden and Dwight as franchise players working out for you?

[TampaDude]

Steph Curry is a great shooter, one of the best in the league, but better offensively than LeBron? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[ElNono]

Curry is a poor man's Allen Iverson, tbh...

[djohn2oo8]

Apparrently anytime someone feels strongly on here ... they act like the other side can not be argued. I agree the case is weak. If he said he was a better shooter I would say his case is stronger. Yes, Lebron is more efficent than Curry but in some advanced stats Durant was more efficient than both. again I choose Lebron but a case can be made for the other two. Is all I am saying.

BTW, How is that case for Harden and Dwight as franchise players working out for you?

There is no case for Curry to be better on offense. He took 17 shots a game and 7.9 of those were three's. If you shut him out from three he is done. And they are working out better than Nick Young and Carlos Boozer, tbh.

[Killakobe81]

There is no case for Curry to be better on offense. He took 17 shots a game and 7.9 of those were three's. If you shut him out from three he is done. And they are working out better than Nick Young and Carlos Boozer, tbh.

Burn ...
Hmm they cost less to the Lakers and are signed for less years.
OF course Id rather have your duo ...would be nice to lose in the first round instead of missing the playoffs ... I guess.

[Thread]

Arguable. James is terribly uncomfortable on the offensive end. And it's bit him across the last two Junes. If not for Pop & Duncan insisting James would be up against it.

[Clipper Nation]

Arguable. James is terribly uncomfortable on the offensive end. And it's bit him across the last two Junes. If not for Pop & Duncan insisting James would be up against it.

He looked awfully comfortable in Game 7 two Junes ago, ordering your Kirby to don the bag. tee, hee.

[Thread]

He looked awfully comfortable in Game 7 two Junes ago, ordering your Kirby to don the bag. tee, hee.

No. The Bag stays in Texas till further notice.

[Clipper Nation]

No. The Bag stays in Texas till further notice.

With Kirby in it.

[Chinook]

The difference is that when we talk about Lebron getting shut down, we're talking about him getting only 25 points on 50-percent shooting rather than 35 points on 65-percent shooting. When we talk about Curry getting shut down, we're talking about him going 3-19 against Green in the first three games of the WCSF two years ago. It's no contest who's the better offensive player. Curry isn't even top-15 in the league when you're talking about performances against the best teams.

[Killakobe81]

The difference is that when we talk about Lebron getting shut down, we're talking about him getting only 25 points on 50-percent shooting rather than 35 points on 65-percent shooting. When we talk about Curry getting shut down, we're talking about him going 3-19 against Green in the first three games of the WCSF two years ago. It's no contest who's the better offensive player. Curry isn't even top-15 in the league when you're talking about performances against the best teams.

I like James but what an exaggeration Lebron has much worse games than that some of them in the Finals. I agree that Lebron is harder to contain and is the better overall offensive player but your example is obviously biased to state your case.

[Thread]

The difference is that when we talk about Lebron getting shut down, we're talking about him getting only 25 points on 50-percent shooting rather than 35 points on 65-percent shooting.

He set a bar, well, he egged Media on to set a bar for him. If now he can't meet that self mandated bar then that's on him. Across the last two Junes James got caught got tiptoeing. I don't need Media not to tell me that for it not to be true. It's true.

[djohn2oo8]

Burn ...
Hmm they cost less to the Lakers and are signed for less years.
OF course Id rather have your duo ...would be nice to lose in the first round instead of missing the playoffs ... I guess.

You brought them up in a discussion about Curry so I'm guessing you would want them.

[Chinook]

I like James but what an exaggeration Lebron has much worse games than that some of them in the Finals. I agree that Lebron is harder to contain and is the better overall offensive player but your example is obviously biased to state your case.

It's not like it's cherry-picked. Curry has never figured Green out. That 3-19 was over three games BEFORE he got hurt. James can have an off-shooting night here or there like everyone else. But there isn't a single player out there who can shut him down. Curry being a guard who's at best average at driving to the rim makes him a much easier guard for good defensive teams.

The Spurs didn't even have to game-plan to stop Curry. They just put Green on him and played the rest of the Warriors players straight up. In contrast, they defended James with at least another player constantly shadowing him.

[Chinook]

He set a bar, well, he egged Media on to set a bar for him. If now he can't meet that self mandated bar then that's on him. Across the last two Junes James got caught got tiptoeing. I don't need Media not to tell me that for it not to be true. It's true.

Yeah, but James would have to be a contortionist to get under Curry's bar. That's the difference.

[Killakobe81]

You brought them up in a discussion about Curry so I'm guessing you would want them.

yep I would take both on the Lakers ... but not at max money ... I dont want curry either, at max money. Durant and Lebron? Yes, indeed.

[Killakobe81]

It's not like it's cherry-picked. Curry has never figured Green out. That 3-19 was over three games BEFORE he got hurt. James can have an off-shooting night here or there like everyone else. But there isn't a single player out there who can shut him down. Curry being a guard who's at best average at driving to the rim makes him a much easier guard for good defensive teams.

The Spurs didn't even have to game-plan to stop Curry. They just put Green on him and played the rest of the Warriors players straight up. In contrast, they defended James with at least another player constantly shadowing him.

to be clear not saying that Lebron has a 3 for 19 but in the Finals alone you can find games where he shot far less than 50%. And Lebron and curry both get plenty of defensive attention. Yes they put Green on Curry but if you could not see that they were hedging hard on pnr I dont know what to tell you . Green is agreat defender even gave Lebron trouble "in spots" but if left 1 on 1 no help he is not stopping curry either ...

[Chinook]

to be clear not saying that Lebron has a 3 for 19 but in the Finals alone you can find games where he shot far less than 50%. And Lebron and curry both get plenty of defensive attention. Yes they put Green on Curry but if you could not see that they were hedging hard on pnr I dont know what to tell you . Green is agreat defender even gave Lebron trouble "in spots" but if left 1 on 1 no help he is not stopping curry either ...

Curry doesn't beat people off the dribble. He's not an iso threat inside the arc. So it would make no sense to shade your coverage to his side. You're right that the Spurs bigs (who weren't Duncan) hedged hard on the PnR, but Curry's hardly the only player who got that treatment. The team did the same thing against Ellis this past playoffs. They did the same to OKC's guards in the WCF before Ibaka came back.

I'm not saying that Curry sucks. Danny Green is about the best guard-defender in the league. He's stopped better players than Curry. But the fact remains that there are plenty of offensive players whom I'd take over Curry, primarily because they force double-teams. Al Jefferson, Z-Bo, Dirk, Melo, James, Durant, Love, Westbrook, and Griffin are players I take over Steph in a heart-beat. Then there's the next tier of players like Lillard, Harden, Paul, Parker, Bosh, Aldridge, Pekovich and Lopez who are right about the same level as Curry is. Great player to have on a team, but I think he's a poor offensive foundation.

[Cry Havoc]

A case can be made for players like durant or Curry being better than Lebron on offense depending on if you value shooting more than driving. I'd rather have Lebron he is by far the best passer of the three but I dont get why yall act like it's not debtable. Stop being Lebron dyckriders. he is by far the best player because there are two ends of the court, on offense Curry and Durant have a case ...Lebron is a far better post player even with his limited post moves.

Agreed. I don't think people realize how lethal a shooter like Curry can be. I'm no LeBron hater by any means but I feel like Curry can go off for 40 whenever he feels like it, and doesn't have to smash through defenders to do so. LeBron has become a great shooter but Curry is simply on another level, high volume 44% three point shooters are slightly rare.

Even if it was just offense, I'd take LeBron because he's more dynamic, but if I absolutely needed a 40+ point game from someone I might go with Curry and just give him the green light all game.

[Arcadian]

:lol Yeah no...a shooting specialist cannot be a better offensive player than a master-of-all-trades such as Lebron. Not possible.

[ElNono]

Lebron was an offensive machine in the Finals... can't possibly think he could've done more. It just so happens his teammates looked like Cavs circa 2007, and the Spurs were hitting on all cylinders...

[Cry Havoc]

:lol Yeah no...a shooting specialist cannot be a better offensive player than a master-of-all-trades such as Lebron. Not possible.

3 years ago you could have made the argument pretty convincing, but since then LeBron has also become one of the best shooters in basketball. So yeah. LeBron might be the most complete offensive player in NBA history, even over Jordan.

[Thread]

Yeah, but James would have to be a contortionist to get under Curry's bar. That's the difference.

James had his chance the past two Junes. Regardless of the pablum Media insists on feeding us he ain't passed muster in my estimation.

[Thread]

3 years ago you could have made the argument pretty convincing, but since then LeBron has also become one of the best shooters in basketball. So yeah. LeBron might be the most complete offensive player in NBA history, even over Jordan.

"Since then"---he's rung due to the royal fuck up by your people and had his shit rearranged by the same damn bunch 12 months later. I ain't buyin' what Media is selling.

No.

[Cry Havoc]

"Since then"---he's rung due to the royal fuck up by your people and had his shit rearranged by the same damn bunch 12 months later. I ain't buyin' what Media is selling.

No.

It's not surprising with Laker flair that you think basketball is a one man sport. If only, Thread, if only.

[TampaDude]

Lebron was an offensive machine in the Finals... can't possibly think he could've done more. It just so happens his teammates looked like Cavs circa 2007, and the Spurs were hitting on all cylinders...

WERD...2014 Miami LeBrons = 2007 Cleveland LeBrons

[HemisfairArena]

Warriors are done without Mark Jackson,,, that team was shit before he arrived and will be shit again. Curry will fade.

[DMC]

Curry is one of the best offensive players in the league. If it was just a shooting contest, he'd win every year. Since it includes defense and passing without turning the ball over, or decision making without throwing the ball over the backboard, I pick LeCramp.

[DMC]

"Since then"---he's rung due to the royal fuck up by your people and had his shit rearranged by the same damn bunch 12 months later. I ain't buyin' what Media is selling.

No.

Your superteam had a chance.








Ok not really.

[Malik Hairston]

It'll be really interesting to see Curry in a non-ISO system this season, tbh..

He's never going to be a dominant player due to his relatively weak game in the paint/at the rim, but I'm curious to see how he looks in a system that emphasizes ball movement, unlike the Jackson system..

[Thread]

It'll be really interesting to see Curry in short pants and saddle shoes.

I'll just bet you would.

[kobe4life]

The Great Satan's offensive game is flawed considering half the time he gets away with offensive fouls. If you take away the offensive fouls than Curry is easily a better score than the Great Satan.

[Baam]

Lebron went away from his post game in the last POs tbh, I completely give the edge to Curry, Lebron is only a monster if he's willing to post his man cause then nobody can defend him...

Lebron doesn't play real D nor bang in the post anymore, it's very worrying imo...

[DAF86]

A case can be made for players like durant or Curry being better than Lebron on offense depending on if you value shooting more than driving. I'd rather have Lebron he is by far the best passer of the three but I dont get why yall act like it's not debtable. Stop being Lebron dyckriders. he is by far the best player because there are two ends of the court, on offense Curry and Durant have a case ...Lebron is a far better post player even with his limited post moves.


No curry does not have a case. LeBron is the best at driving and more efficient shooting jumpers. And also a better passer. There is no debate. And better in the post.

According to the article, that's not true if you look at the stats.

[Killakobe81]

According to the article, that's not true if you look at the stats.

I agree on the jumpers.
Curry is also an underrated passer but is also a PG.
If you watch them play Lebron can make passes across court with just the right pace to beat a defense but not so hard the shooter cannot catch in rythmn that very few players in the history of the NBA can make. Outside of his size/speed ratio that is the most amazing thing about Lebron. As someone else posted he did not post up much in the playoffs and his defense has been overrated for a while now. He is still quite capable of high level defense and dominating but rudimentary post play but we did not see enough of it. Yes, his team-mates failed him and yes he still put up great stats but he should have done more in those finals. I just think he was worn down...and despite that on paper he had a damn good series.

[resistanze]

Well, LeBron has averaged 30+PPG in this league before he had a jumper. Really, he could do it again if he wanted to (but probably be less efficient than he is now).

[lefty]

The Great Satan's offensive game is flawed considering half the time he gets away with offensive fouls. If you take away the offensive fouls than Curry is easily a better score than the Great Satan.
:worthy: Koballah

http://oi32.tinypic.com/ojmbyf.jpg

[DAF86]

I agree on the jumpers.
Curry is also an underrated passer but is also a PG.
If you watch them play Lebron can make passes across court with just the right pace to beat a defense but not so hard the shooter cannot catch in rythmn that very few players in the history of the NBA can make. Outside of his size/speed ratio that is the most amazing thing about Lebron. As someone else posted he did not post up much in the playoffs and his defense has been overrated for a while now. He is still quite capable of high level defense and dominating but rudimentary post play but we did not see enough of it. Yes, his team-mates failed him and yes he still put up great stats but he should have done more in those finals. I just think he was worn down...and despite that on paper he had a damn good series.

You derailed son. I was just noting that the article says that Curry has a higer apg and a better assist to TO ratio, so the whole "better passer" thing is at least debatable.

[DMC]

I agree on the jumpers.
Curry is also an underrated passer but is also a PG.
If you watch them play Lebron can make passes across court with just the right pace to beat a defense but not so hard the shooter cannot catch in rythmn that very few players in the history of the NBA can make. Outside of his size/speed ratio that is the most amazing thing about Lebron. As someone else posted he did not post up much in the playoffs and his defense has been overrated for a while now. He is still quite capable of high level defense and dominating but rudimentary post play but we did not see enough of it. Yes, his team-mates failed him and yes he still put up great stats but he should have done more in those finals. I just think he was worn down...and despite that on paper he had a damn good series.

He's not underrated by the opponent, who he's often passing to.

[DMC]

This shit lol

[DAF86]

According to the article, that's not true if you look at the stats.


You derailed son. I was just noting that the article says that Curry has a higer apg and a better assist to TO ratio, so the whole "better passer" thing is at least debatable.

Me.

[DAF86]

Some of the comments on this thread. And then you have to read shit like "Curry was supossed to be overrated". :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol some of these takes

[DMC]

:lol some of these takes

Happened several months after I created that thread.

The entire island of the Philippines must run on hindsight.

[DMC]

It'll be really interesting to see Curry in a non-ISO system this season, tbh..

He's never going to be a dominant player due to his relatively weak game in the paint/at the rim, but I'm curious to see how he looks in a system that emphasizes ball movement, unlike the Jackson system..

Harlem

[spurraider21]

Happened several months after I created that thread.

The entire island of the Philippines must run on hindsight.
there are about 7000 islands in the philippines

and was is the relevance of the philippines? the only pinoy in this thread is 100%Duncan

[DAF86]

Harlem

That's a good take but it doesn't take too much genius to predict something/someone will be better on basketball with ball movement insted of isos, tbh. He was way off with the "he's never going to be a dominant player" though. :lol

[DMC]

That's a good take but it doesn't take too much genius to predict something/someone will be better on basketball with ball movement insted of isos, tbh. He was way off with the "he's never going to be a dominant player" though. :lol

He's not dominant. He's a high scorer but Delly shut him down. Dominant players cannot be contained, thus "dominant". He's a great scorer though, can't defend for shit but can score.

It's funny that you say that. It's taken you 3 fucking years to get that through your thick skull. Ball movement beats a stagnant offense, but with you it's "unless it's Curry".

Even him.

[DMC]

there are about 7000 islands in the philippines

and was is the relevance of the philippines? the only pinoy in this thread is 100%Duncan

riiiiiiiight

[spurraider21]

unless you are implying that you are filipino (not that there's anything wrong with that), i think you're barking up the wrong tree

[spurraider21]

He's not dominant. He's a high scorer but Delly shut him down. Dominant players cannot be contained, thus "dominant". He's a great scorer though, can't defend for shit but can score.

Even him.

jesus... curry had a horrible game 2 and suddenly he was "held down"

he shot 49.5% in the other 5 games

and you are still harping on the "he can't defend" shtick which is completely unsubstantiated by any statistic. going back to last year he scores favorably in just about every defensive metric. DRPM, DBPM, D-Rating, On/Off numbers... even raw stats like steals per game. he's no chris paul, but the numbers all indicate he's an above average defender. i'm sure you'll just say "nuh-uh" and carry on pretending he's a poor defender with nothing to back it up

i know individually, these metrics have flaws (particularly D-rating aka the carlos boozer stat), but when you grade favorably in all of them...

[DAF86]

He's not dominant. He's a high scorer but Delly shut him down. Dominant players cannot be contained, thus "dominant". He's a great scorer though, can't defend for shit but can score.

He's probably the most dominant player I have ever seen after Shaq (I was too young to analyze what MJ did when I watched him). Even HarlemHeat37 himself would probably agree that Curry is very dominant right now.


It's funny that you say that. It's taken you 3 fucking years to get that through your thick skull. Ball movement beats a stagnant offense, but with you it's "unless it's Curry".

Even him.

When the fuck have I ever disagreed with that? :lol In fact I have stated many times in the past how greateful I was that Mark Jackson was keeping such a great core of players down. Too bad that's no longer the case. :cry

[DMC]

and you are still harping on the "he can't defend" shtick which is completely unsubstantiated by any statistic. going back to last year he scores favorably in just about every defensive metric. DRPM, DBPM, D-Rating, On/Off numbers... even raw stats like steals per game. he's no chris paul, but the numbers all indicate he's an above average defender. i'm sure you'll just say "nuh-uh" and carry on pretending he's a poor defender with nothing to back it up

i know individually, these metrics have flaws (particularly D-rating aka the carlos boozer stat), but when you grade favorably in all of them...
Mark hid him on defense. That's pretty obvious and stated in print in fine magazines.

Delly was holdin' him down. Else he'd be the finals MVP. I don't see how you can spin that any other way. It was how Delly made his name. It's not like Delly was a prodigy defender. Dude was undrafted. Iggy with a FMVP off the bench? Seriously?

[DMC]

He's probably the most dominant player I have ever seen after Shaq (I was too young to analyze what MJ did when I watched him). Even HarlemHeat37 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11597) himself would probably agree that Curry is very dominant right now.


Dominant on offense. "Player" is a full court aspect of the job.


When the fuck have I ever disagreed with that? :lol In fact I have stated many times in the past how greateful I was that Mark Jackson was keeping such a great core of players down. Too bad that's no longer the case. :cry
Oh you spent years riding that broken broom.

[spurraider21]

Mark hid him on defense. That's pretty obvious and stated in print in fine magazines.

Delly was holdin' him down. Else he'd be the finals MVP. I don't see how you can spin that any other way. It was how Delly made his name. It's not like Delly was a prodigy defender. Dude was undrafted. Iggy with a FMVP off the bench? Seriously?
we've already had this discussion :sleep


He gave up the MVP to a bench player.


and duncan gave up MVP to parker... and duncan shot under 45% for that series


Only after he had 3 already and not in Duncan's MVP season.

Plus Parker was the starting PG, not a bench player. Manu didn't get one in Tim's prime.


parker and iggy played the same minutes per game in their respective finals mvp campaigns. it's really not a big deal. it was still duncan's team, and it's remembered that way. nobody remembers the '81 celtics as maxwell's team either

i know you have that albatross curry thread with your name on it, so you need to stick to your guns, though. so go ahead

[spurraider21]

curry had 1 poor game in the finals... he shot 49% from the field and 46% from 3 in the other 5 games. delly was there all 6 games. so either he curry got REALLY lucky for 5 games against delly or he just had a poor game 2

[DMC]

we've already had this discussion :sleep

You need to come to grips with the fact that the prodigy gave up his first chance at a Finals MVP in his prime to a bench player because little white scrub with a beard shut him down on the biggest stage in the NBA. Sure the Warriors won, but Iggy was given the lion's share of the credit for that. That's where you make your name, and if you don't think pundits will look back on that and use that FMVP as a talking point, you're sadly mistaken. Shaq took 3 in a row and Kobe still hears about it.

[DMC]

curry had 1 poor game in the finals... he shot 49% from the field and 46% from 3 in the other 5 games. delly was there all 6 games. so either he curry got REALLY lucky for 5 games against delly or he just had a poor game 2

Then explain why Iggy got the MVP and Steph didn't.

[spurraider21]

cedric maxwell took finals MVP the first time bird won

and shaq/kobe is a terrible analogy because shaq was the clear best player on the team (and for 1 or 2 of those seasons, in the league)... through both the regular season and postseason. the finals mvp just reaffirmed it.

nobody in their right mind, not even you, thinks iggy is a better player than curry, or that the warriors are iggy's team. just like nobody thought the celtics were cedric maxwell's team even though he won FMVP in 81. iggy won F-MVP because he had a good series and was matched up against lebron who was doing historic things (lebron was a legitimate fmvp candidate even in a losing effort).

[DAF86]

Oh you spent years riding that broken broom.

Not really :lol

[DMC]

cedric maxwell took finals MVP the first time bird won

and shaq/kobe is a terrible analogy because shaq was the clear best player on the team (and for 1 or 2 of those seasons, in the league)... through both the regular season and postseason. the finals mvp just reaffirmed it.

nobody in their right mind, not even you, thinks iggy is a better player than curry, or that the warriors are iggy's team. just like nobody thought the celtics were cedric maxwell's team even though he won FMVP in 81. iggy won F-MVP because he had a good series and was matched up against lebron who was doing historic things (lebron was a legitimate fmvp candidate even in a losing effort).

Bird didn't win the regular season MVP that year. There's no way in hell Iggy should have won that. Curry was exposed, you know it. Just admit it. Don't be like me.

Iggy was the clear best player according to the voters.

Iggy wins the MVP matched up with the greatest player on the planet and Steph gets shut down by a small white scrub. Nice dichotomy. Bail that water, son.

[DMC]

Not really :lol

Get the fuck out of here. There's pages and pages of you nay saying it.

[spurraider21]

Bird didn't win the regular season MVP that year. There's no way in hell Iggy should have won that. Curry was exposed, you know it. Just admit it. Don't be like me.
why does it matter who the regular season mvp was? what's the difference? was bird not clearly the best player and team leader for the celtics? you're just grasping at straws


Iggy was the clear best player according to the voters.
cool. and parker was the clearly best player in 2007


Iggy wins the MVP matched up with the greatest player on the planet and Steph gets shut down by a small white scrub. Nice dichotomy. Bail that water, son.
saying this over and over again doesn't make it true, no matter how much you want it to. just like your baseless statements about curry "not being able to play a lick of defense" even though every objective statistic will say exactly otherwise

curry had 1 poor game in the finals... he shot 49% from the field and 46% from 3 in the other 5 games. delly was there all 6 games. so either he curry got REALLY lucky for 5 games against delly or he just had a poor game 2

[DMC]

why does it matter who the regular season mvp was? what's the difference? was bird not clearly the best player and team leader for the celtics? you're just grasping at straws

:lol You needing to go back to 1981 to find an example. Bird had not yet come into his own in the NBA. It would be a couple more years before Bird was in his prime. Steph just won the fuckin' league MVP but couldn't take the series MVP over a bench player from the Nuggets.


cool. and parker was the clearly best player in 2007

No argument from me.


saying this over and over again doesn't make it true, no matter how much you want it to. just like your baseless statements about curry "not being able to play a lick of defense" even though every objective statistic will say exactly otherwise
On one hand you decry argumentum ad nauseum then you employ anonymous authority. Oh Philo, just admit Curry got exposed in the Finals.

Otherwise, explain why Iggy got the nod. Just do that.

[spurraider21]

did larry bird get exposed in 1981?

[DMC]

did larry bird get exposed in 1981?

lol Steph wasn't a rookie.

[DAF86]

Get the fuck out of here. There's pages and pages of you nay saying it.

Please find and post just one then.

[Killakobe81]

Steph has reopened this discussion ...

[DMC]

Steph has reopened this discussion ...
No that was me, Lenny.

[spurraider21]

lol Steph wasn't a rookie.
neither was bird. excellent point

[DMC]

neither was bird. excellent point

Just admit Curry got exposed by a nobody. It's already on the front pages.

[spurraider21]

Just admit Curry got exposed by a nobody. It's already on the front pages.
he had one poor game out of 6. i'm sorry the facts go against your claim, but there's nothing i can do to change that for you

[DMC]

he had one poor game out of 6. i'm sorry the facts go against your claim, but there's nothing i can do to change that for you

Here's your options:

1. Admit Curry got exposed
2. Explain why Iggy won the Finals MVP

Throwing out red herrings and "ya but" won't cut it. If you have a point to make about any other series, start your thread and see who cares.

[spurraider21]

iggy won finals mvp because he played very well while matched up against lebron. it's really not complicated.

if you actually think having 1 poor game out of 6 is getting exposed, then you dont have the mental capacity to engage in a real conversation on this topic

[DMC]

iggy won finals mvp because he played very well while matched up against lebron. it's really not complicated.

if you actually think having 1 poor game out of 6 is getting exposed, then you dont have the mental capacity to engage in a real conversation on this topic

It wasn't a one on one Finals. Steph was on the floor as well.

If you think one poor game cost Steph the Finals MVP... well.

[spurraider21]

It wasn't a one on one Finals. Steph was on the floor as well.

If you think one poor game cost Steph the Finals MVP... well.
it appears that way. he had 1 poor game and he didn't win finals mvp.

considering mongoloids such as yourself are still harping on that one game, i would assume the voters were similarly impacted

[DMC]

it appears that way. he had 1 poor game and he didn't win finals mvp.

Kawhi had a couple poor games on offense and still won the Finals MVP. Curry didn't lose the Finals MVP because he had a poor offensive game. Offense watchers like you think that way though. Iggy won it for his defense, even though James had a 40pt scoring night. Steph just basically disappears at the defensive end, seems to not be in control of the team at that time, just blends in. Then in transition he suddenly resurfaces as the alpha. James Harden plays a similar style. Steph is improving but that's how it looked. When you have two guys like Steph and Klay who aren't great defenders throwing up 27 threes in one game, someone better be defending.


considering mongoloids such as yourself are still harping on that one game, i would assume the voters were similarly impactedIt wasn't the one game. Only the neophyte ball watcher would think it was.

[spurraider21]

So the voters make mistakes. Water is wet. And the numbers support my case, not yours.

[DAF86]

The only reason Curry didn't win finals MVP is because voters got too cute. Here are Curry's and Iggy's numbers for the finals:

Curry - 26 ppg, 6.3 apg, 5.2 rpg, 1.8 spg, 44 FG%, 38 3pt%

Iguodala - 16.3 ppg, 4 apg, 5.8 rpg, 1.3 spg, 52 FG%, 40 3pt%

I think it's pretty obvious who deserved the award. Advanced metric loving media went a little too far on this one. Imagine if they would have voted that way these years:

Bryant - 28.6 ppg, 3.9 apg, 8 rpg, 2.1 spg, 40 FG%, 31 3pt%
Gasol - 18.6 ppg, 3.7 apg, 11.6 rpg, 2.6 bpg, 47 FG%

Bryant - 32.4 ppg, 7.4 apg, 5.6 rpg, 1.4 spg, 43 FG%, 36 3pt%
Gasol - 18.6 ppg, 2.2 apg, 9.2 rpg, 1.8 bpg, 60 FG%

Do you imagine the anger level of Kobe after losing finals MVP to MVPau? :lol

[DMC]

So the voters make mistakes. Water is wet. And the numbers support my case, not yours.

Let's apply Occam's razor here:

1. The NBA Finals voters are less astute than you regarding the game of basketball

or

2. You're mistaken

[spurraider21]

voters have gotten it wrong before. and i never necessarily said iguodala didnt play well enough to get FMVP. he had a really good series

if you're going to say "delly shut curry down" because curry had 1 bad game out of 6, then that's just you being stubborn

[spurraider21]

Let's apply Occam's razor here. Delly and Curry squared off 6 times in the finals. Curry had 1 bad game and played well in the other 5.

1. Delly really shut down Curry, but Curry got lucky for 5/6 games

2. Curry had a bad night in game 2

[TDMVPDPOY]

comparing a guy who can shoot to a guy who is a streaky shooter?

cmon now lebron james is a joke ass shooter


curry is what steve nashw as meant to be if he was a ballhog who looked to shoot first then setting up pnr with amare

[mavsfan1000]

He is annoying. But he backs up his words.

[DMC]

voters have gotten it wrong before. and i never necessarily said iguodala didnt play well enough to get FMVP. he had a really good series

if you're going to say "delly shut curry down" because curry had 1 bad game out of 6, then that's just you being stubborn

He shut him down enough to prevent him from getting the Finals MVP.

or

Steph's defense was so poor as to make AI's really stand out.

or

The voters were wrong and you were right.

Let's apply Occam's razor here. Delly and Curry squared off 6 times in the finals. Curry had 1 bad game and played well in the other 5.

1. Delly really shut down Curry, but Curry got lucky for 5/6 games

2. Curry had a bad night in game 2
Faulty premise from the start.

We aren't discussing whether or not Steph had your idea of a "good game". We are discussing why Steph didn't win the Finals MVP award. So you cannot apply Occam's razor to a premise. You can only apply it to a result. The result is that AI got the FMVP award and Curry did not.


lol "had a bad game" as if he was out there playing alone.

http://i.imgur.com/ZRPP2GK.jpg

[RsxPiimp]

The only reason Curry didn't win finals MVP is because voters got too cute. Here are Curry's and Iggy's numbers for the finals:

Curry - 26 ppg, 6.3 apg, 5.2 rpg, 1.8 spg, 44 FG%, 38 3pt%

Iguodala - 16.3 ppg, 4 apg, 5.8 rpg, 1.3 spg, 52 FG%, 40 3pt%

I think it's pretty obvious who deserved the award. Advanced metric loving media went a little too far on this one. Imagine if they would have voted that way these years:

:lol

:lmao Couldn't be anymore wrong tbh. Iguodala is the reason the Warriors didn't choke that series, in all honesty. He came up big when Curry was disappearing in key stretches.


Everyone who watched that series knew Iguodala was their most valuable player.

[spurraider21]

lol "had a bad game" as if he was out there playing alone.

http://i.imgur.com/ZRPP2GK.jpg
yes. that was game 2, which was a bad game. where was delly's defense in games 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6?

[spurraider21]

He shut him down enough to prevent him from getting the Finals MVP.

or

Steph's defense was so poor as to make AI's really stand out.
steph was matched up against a nobody PG who shot 28% for the series, whereas Iguodala was defending LeBron. that's a really shitty argument, even by your standards


The voters were wrong and you were right.
i never actually said iggy getting the FMVP was the wrong decision. it is true that voters have gotten it wrong before, though. i'm fine with iggy getting finals mvp. i also would have been fine with danny green taking F-MVP if we closed in 2013. wouldn't mean he's the best player on the team.

but it doesn't take much away from curry. he was and is the best player on the warriors, and that isn't really in question.


Faulty premise from the start.

We aren't discussing whether or not Steph had your idea of a "good game". We are discussing why Steph didn't win the Finals MVP award. So you cannot apply Occam's razor to a premise. You can only apply it to a result. The result is that AI got the FMVP award and Curry did not.
iggy played a great series while matched up against the best player in the world. i do think curry's game 2 stuck in voters minds and people like yourself still have this perception that he struggled throughout the finals because of delly even though he only had 1 poor game

[DMC]

yes. that was game 2, which was a bad game. where was delly's defense in games 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6?

Delly is a small white bench sitting scrub. Your argument amounts to "Steph is better than Delly" as if someone here has made the assertion that it's not true. Steph is a universe from Delly, but during that Finals, Delly did just enough to keep the regular season MVP from getting the Finals MVP, no matter how you spin it.

[spurraider21]

Delly is a small white bench sitting scrub. Your argument amounts to "Steph is better than Delly" as if someone here has made the assertion that it's not true. Steph is a universe from Delly, but during that Finals, Delly did just enough to keep the regular season MVP from getting the Finals MVP, no matter how you spin it.
strawman

your claim was that delly shut down curry. i'm asking where delly was "shutting down curry" in games 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6

[DMC]

steph was matched up against a nobody PG who shot 28% for the series, whereas Iguodala was defending LeBron. that's a really shitty argument, even by your standards


i never actually said iggy getting the FMVP was the wrong decision.
Oh come now Philo:

"considering mongoloids such as yourself are still harping on that one game, i would assume the voters were similarly impacted"

"voters have gotten it wrong before."

You certainly made that assertion. Don't try to play lawyer and play semantics.


it is true that voters have gotten it wrong before, though. i'm fine with iggy getting finals mvp. i also would have been fine with danny green taking F-MVP if we closed in 2013. wouldn't mean he's the best player on the team.

Aaaaand you throw out yet another red herring named Danny Green.

Fact: Steph did not get the Finals MVP
Fact: Delly is why
Fact: A bench player from the Nuggets got the Finals MVP
Fact: There as NEVER been a regular season MVP to not win the Finals MVP if they won the Finals, certainly never one beaten out by a bench player.

Oh you're fine with it. Ok, big fucking deal. It's still a fact.


but it doesn't take much away from curry. he was and is the best player on the warriors, and that isn't really in question.

Yet you keep addressing it as if it is the question.

It certainly took away from Curry during the Finals.

Delly dropped 20 on Curry. That's not only Delly's all time high in the playoffs, but all time high EVER.

Delly single handed stopped Curry from getting a Finals MVP. That could possibly have implications further down the road for Steph. We'll see.


iggy played a great series while matched up against the best player in the world. i do think curry's game 2 stuck in voters minds and people like yourself still have this perception that he struggled throughout the finals because of delly even though he only had 1 poor game
History was made when AI took the trophy from Steph. It's not like Steph was a rookie or an aged veteran teaching AI the ropes. This isn't the 2014 Kawhi FMVP scenario where AI just took over the game or there was no clear stand out.

So it still comes down to those two things:

1. The voters were wrong

or

2. AI was more important to the Warriors' win than was the regular season MVP.

[DMC]

strawman

your claim was that delly shut down curry. i'm asking where delly was "shutting down curry" in games 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6

You're using a euphemism "bad game" instead of stating the truth "because Delly was draped all over him". Imagine Lebron gets shut down by fucking Beno and JR fucking Smith wins the Finals MVP. Would you just say "meh he had one bad game"? Hell no.

[spurraider21]

i do think mongoloids such as yourself have harped on game 2 way too much, and i dont put it past the voters either. doesn't necessarily mean iggy didn't deserve it. he had a great performance in the finals.

this is all a pointless exercise anyway. nobody on the planet thinks iguodala is better than curry or more important for the warriors. if you think otherwise, state it here. whether or not curry won regular season mvp doesn't matter, as the finals mvp is determined independently. you're describing it as if it would be better off for curry if he wasn't regular season mvp, which is just stupid.

[spurraider21]

You're using a euphemism "bad game" instead of stating the truth "because Delly was draped all over him". Imagine Lebron gets shut down by fucking Beno and JR fucking Smith wins the Finals MVP. Would you just say "meh he had one bad game"? Hell no.
where was delly "draped all over him" during games 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6?

mongoloids such as yourself keep harping on one game

[DMC]

i do think mongoloids such as yourself have harped on game 2 way too much, and i dont put it past the voters either. doesn't necessarily mean iggy didn't deserve it. he had a great performance in the finals.

this is all a pointless exercise anyway. nobody on the planet thinks iguodala is better than curry or more important for the warriors. if you think otherwise, state it here. whether or not curry won regular season mvp doesn't matter, as the finals mvp is determined independently. you're describing it as if it would be better off for curry if he wasn't regular season mvp, which is just stupid.

You're lying. How can I have an honest debate with someone who's being dishonest? It's right there in your posts, Philo. You believe the voters got it wrong. You compared them to a mongoloid, and said they've gotten it wrong before. Why make either assertion if you don't believe they got it wrong?

If you believe the voters got it right, then the selection is quite easy from the original two choices. Why drag it out?

[DMC]

where was delly "draped all over him" during games 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6?

mongoloids such as yourself keep harping on one game

It's not about the one game. It's about the fact that Steph did not win the Finals MVP and not because Klay played better. It's because a guy came off the bench and played better than the regular season MVP. That's never happened, in the history of the game. Even if Manu won the FMVP in 2005, the regular season MVP that year wasn't on the Spurs, because it was Steve Gash.

If you look at AI's numbers they weren't even impressive. So why did he win? He certainly didn't hold Lebron down, since James scored 40 on him in a losing effort. It's because Steph was unimpressive. He was there on offense pretty much, but nowhere on defense and that becomes apparent when everyone is watching the game and not just stat watching the box scores.

You act like I gifted AI the Finals MVP. It wasn't my decision and the mood at the time was the Steph didn't have a great series, that the Warriors should have taken Cleveland in 4 since they were down two all stars and playing a scrub at PG.

[spurraider21]

You're lying. How can I have an honest debate with someone who's being dishonest? It's right there in your posts, Philo. You believe the voters got it wrong. You compared them to a mongoloid, and said they've gotten it wrong before. Why make either assertion if you don't believe they got it wrong?

If you believe the voters got it right, then the selection is quite easy from the original two choices. Why drag it out?
i said they are mongoloids for harping over game 2 so much. the media made constant references to delly "shutting down" curry because they over-exaggerate one game. and mental midgets like yourself have latched onto the narrative

its possible for AI to deserve the finals mvp even if curry played well

[spurraider21]

It's not about the one game. It's about the fact that Steph did not win the Finals MVP and not because Klay played better. It's because a guy came off the bench and played better than the regular season MVP. That's never happened, in the history of the game. Even if Manu won the FMVP in 2005, the regular season MVP that year wasn't on the Spurs, because it was Steve Gash.

If you look at AI's numbers they weren't even impressive. So why did he win? He certainly didn't hold Lebron down, since James scored 40 on him in a losing effort. It's because Steph was unimpressive. He was there on offense pretty much, but nowhere on defense and that becomes apparent when everyone is watching the game and not just stat watching the box scores.

You act like I gifted AI the Finals MVP. It wasn't my decision and the mood at the time was the Steph didn't have a great series, that the Warriors should have taken Cleveland in 4 since they were down two all stars and playing a scrub at PG.
why does it make any difference if he happened to have the regular season mvp or not, that's such a stupid qualifier. curry was and is the best player on the warriors. the hardware doesn't change it one bit

[DMC]

i said they are mongoloids for harping over game 2 so much. the media made constant references to delly "shutting down" curry because they over-exaggerate one game. and mental midgets like yourself have latched onto the narrative

But I didn't vote for Finals MVP. Did you?


its possible for AI to deserve the finals mvp even if curry played well
So on one hand the narrative was wrong and over-hyped yet on the other AI outplayed Steph, off the bench.

Aren't you right back where we started? Or, is everyone else wrong and you're right? I mean, different opinions come from mongoloids, right?

[DMC]

why does it make any difference if he happened to have the regular season mvp or not, that's such a stupid qualifier. curry was and is the best player on the warriors. the hardware doesn't change it one bit

It matters because it says he's at his prime. It's easy for someone like you to use someone like Tim as an example in 2007 when Tony won the FMVP, but Tim wasn't in his prime and was far from the regular season MVP.

Steph wasn't the best during the Finals.

[spurraider21]

But I didn't vote for Finals MVP. Did you?

So on one hand the narrative was wrong and over-hyped yet on the other AI outplayed Steph, off the bench.

Aren't you right back where we started? Or, is everyone else wrong and you're right? I mean, different opinions come from mongoloids, right?
i think they could have gone either way with the award, really doesn't matter.

[DMC]

i think they could have gone either way with the award, really doesn't matter.

So they are mongoloids and have voted wrong before but it doesn't matter. Nothing matters but you keep responding.

[spurraider21]

It matters because it says he's at his prime. It's easy for someone like you to use someone like Tim as an example in 2007 when Tony won the FMVP, but Tim wasn't in his prime and was far from the regular season MVP.
curry might not have even hit his prime yet. he's been better this year than he was last year

was jordan in his prime in 87-88 or 97-98? mvp both years

[spurraider21]

So they are mongoloids and have voted wrong before but it doesn't matter. Nothing matters but you keep responding.
just humoring an old man riddled with boredom

[DMC]

curry might not have even hit his prime yet. he's been better this year than he was last year

was jordan in his prime in 87-88 or 97-98? mvp both years

Regular season MVP is in your prime. Jordan didn't have the Finals MVP taken away by Sedale Threatt.

[DMC]

just humoring an old man riddled with boredom

No, you're wrong and trying to recover.

[spurraider21]

Regular season MVP is in your prime. Jordan didn't have the Finals MVP taken away by Sedale Threatt.
so was jordan in his prime when he won regular season mvp in 87-88 or when he won regular season mvp in 97-98?

[spurraider21]

No, you're wrong and trying to recover.
its pointless. i dont even understand what your bottom line point is here. curry didn't get finals mvp? what's your point? does that make him a chucker?

are you going to stick to your guns and claim he got "shut down by delly" because he had a poor game 2 but a good game 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6?

[DMC]

so was jordan in his prime when he won regular season mvp in 87-88 or when he won regular season mvp in 97-98?

At more than 35pts a game, he was in his physical prime. A decade later he was in his overall prime though he scored fewer a game (didn't need to score as many) and had a higher basketball IQ. So yes, both times he was in his prime.

Kareem won almost 10 years apart. Some people's prime lasted a long time.

[DMC]

Here's your options:

1. Admit Curry got exposed
2. Explain why Iggy won the Finals MVP

Throwing out red herrings and "ya but" won't cut it. If you have a point to make about any other series, start your thread and see who cares.


its pointless. i dont even understand what your bottom line point is here. curry didn't get finals mvp? what's your point? does that make him a chucker?

are you going to stick to your guns and claim he got "shut down by delly" because he had a poor game 2 but a good game 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6?

If you'd read more and respond less, you'd know.

You said voters got it wrong, so everyone is wrong but you.

Steph somehow lost his 1st Finals MVP the same year he won the Finals and the regular season MVP, lost it to a bench player, and you act like it means nothing.

[spurraider21]

fine. option 2. iggy won finals mvp because he had a very good performance in the nba finals while matched up against the best player in the world.

so whats your point?

btw i know you love the "some guy off the bench" shtick but you should know iggy started the last 3 games and was 3rd on the team in minutes with over 37 per game

[DMC]

fine. option 2. iggy won finals mvp because he had a very good performance in the nba finals while matched up against the best player in the world.

so whats your point?
You didn't explain it why he won the MVP, only why an MVP might be awarded. Why wouldn't Steph get the award instead?

[spurraider21]

You didn't explain it why he won the MVP, only why an MVP might be awarded.
He won mvp because he had a very good performance in the nba finals while matched up against the best player in the world

[spurraider21]

this whole talk about fmvp only began because you brought up how he got "shut down by delly." i couldnt care less about the mvp award and the numbers + common sense show that he didnt get "shut down by delly"

you're subscribing to the reasoning that "curry didnt win fmvp = curry got shut down by delly"

i'm not buying that. its a false equivalency

[DMC]

He won mvp because he had a very good performance in the nba finals while matched up against the best player in the world

So when the Spurs lost game 6 of the 2013 NBA Finals, was it because the Heat played a great game or because the Spurs choked?

You're a glass half full guy when you need to be.

[DMC]

this whole talk about fmvp only began because you brought up how he got "shut down by delly." i couldnt care less about the mvp award and the numbers + common sense show that he didnt get "shut down by delly"

you're subscribing to the reasoning that "curry didnt win fmvp = curry got shut down by delly"

i'm not buying that. its a false equivalency
Oakland (United States) (AFP) - It turns out that Cleveland backup guard Matthew Dellavedova might be more dangerous to Golden State's chances of winning the NBA Finals than injured star guard Kyrie Irving was.


The 24-year-old Australian played the game of his life Sunday, silencing NBA Most Valuable Player Stephen Curry defensively and sinking two clutch over-time free throws with the game on the line to give the Cavaliers a 95-93 victory that evened the best-of-seven series at 1-1.


After squandering an 11-point lead in the final minutes of regulation time, the Cavaliers watched Curry sink two free throws to give the Warriors their first lead after half-time in the dying seconds of the extra five-minute period.


But Dellavedova was fouled going for a rebound and answered with two tension-filled free throws of his own to put the Cavaliers ahead to stay at 94-93.


"That's a classic thing you practice as a kid growing up, down one, you need to make both free throws, so I felt like I've been in that situation a million times before," Dellavedova said.


Dellavedova started in place of Irving, who suffered a fractured left kneecap in Thursday's game one loss. Some saw that as an end to Cleveland's hopes of the city's first pro sports crown in 51 years.


But Curry went 5-of-23 from the floor, including 2-of-15 from 3-point range, in his worst shooting performance of the season. His 13 missed 3-pointers were an NBA Finals record, two more than the old mark belonging to John Starks from 1994.


Asked what Dellavedova did to shut him down, Curry said: "Nothing really, just besides playing their game plan and playing defense like every pro is supposed to.

[spurraider21]

So when the Spurs lost game 6 of the 2013 NBA Finals, was it because the Heat played a great game or because the Spurs choked?

You're a glass half full guy when you need to be.
the spurs choked. it was one of the biggest choke jobs in nba finals history. you gotta look at it on a case by case basis. spurs lost 13 because they had a historic choke job. heat didnt lose 14 because they choked

[spurraider21]

wow, look at you, harping on game 2 of a 6 game series

where was delly's shut down defense in game 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6?

[DMC]

wow, look at you, harping on game 2 of a 6 game series

where was delly's shut down defense in game 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6?
Look at Curry admitting that Delly shut him down. You should call him and tell him that didn't happen.

Probably the same place Steph's Finals MVP trophy went.

[spurraider21]

Asked what Dellavedova did to shut him down, Curry said: "Nothing really, just besides playing their game plan and playing defense like every pro is supposed to.
:lol

how is that curry admitting delly shut him down? read before you post this shit, boutons. the "shut him down" weren't curry's words, it was the reporters

[DMC]

:lol

how is that curry admitting delly shut him down? read before you post this shit, boutons
"just besides..."

That means everything, Philo.

"What did you buy at the store?"

"Nothing really, just besides a new laptop and some video games"

"Ok so you didn't buy anything, ok"

Steph meant "nothing in particular" as you well know you dishonest prick.

[spurraider21]

curry never said he was shut down. he was asked about it.

but you're adorable clinging to 1 game out of 6. keep it up

[DMC]

curry never said he was shut down. he was asked about it.

but you're adorable clinging to 1 game out of 6. keep it up

Curry was asked what Delly did to shut him down and he answered, and his answer wasn't "I didn't get shut down".

Andre Iguodala was named the most valuable player of the 2015 NBA Finals (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/06/17/should-andre-iguodala-have-won-the-nba-finals-mvp-award-over-lebron-james/), beating LeBron James by a vote of 7-4. The reigning regular season MVP, Stephen Curry, did not receive a single vote.

[spurraider21]

You know damn well Curry isn't saying "he didnt' shut me down". He's saying "he did nothing in particular, BESIDES PLAYING THEIR GAME PLAN AND PLAYING DEFENSE LIKE EVERY PRO IS SUPPOSED TO"

Way to cherry pick, Chump 2.0
he never said he was shut down, he was asked the question

:lmao here's curry admitting about how he was "shut down"

Stephen Curry writes Game 2 off as a fluke, expects to return to MVP form (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2015/06/08/stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-game-2-bad-shooting/28671895/)

from another article: Curry dismissed Game 2 as a fluke, and his teammates also said Dellavedova's defense didn't have much of an impact on Curry's game. It was an off night and one that'll be forgotten soon enough. This is the same player who can hit impossible shots with ease, so it's hard to imagine he will have another night like Game 2 when he's averaging 28.4 points in the playoffs and has scored at least 30 points in 8 of 17 games.

http://www.ibtimes.com/pulse/nba-finals-2015-stephen-curry-has-been-great-so-what-do-we-make-his-bad-game-2-1958828

[spurraider21]

this whole talk about fmvp only began because you brought up how he got "shut down by delly." i couldnt care less about the mvp award and the numbers + common sense show that he didnt get "shut down by delly"

you're subscribing to the reasoning that "curry didnt win fmvp = curry got shut down by delly"

i'm not buying that. its a false equivalency

[Red Hawk #21]

:wtf How can one only focus on Game 2 and completely ignore every other game played? My goodness, the lengths people will go to defend their failed arguments.

[DMC]

Spurs had a flukey game 6 in the 2013 Finals. See how that works? It's just ONE game.

[Chinook]

The difference is that when we talk about Lebron getting shut down, we're talking about him getting only 25 points on 50-percent shooting rather than 35 points on 65-percent shooting. When we talk about Curry getting shut down, we're talking about him going 3-19 against Green in the first three games of the WCSF two years ago. It's no contest who's the better offensive player. Curry isn't even top-15 in the league when you're talking about performances against the best teams.

So what's happened since I said this? Well, Kawhi took Lebron's cookie in that year's Finals, and Curry watched Frieza blow up his best friend on Namek. Funny how different things look 16 months later.

[spurraider21]

Spurs had a flukey game 6 in the 2013 Finals. See how that works? It's just ONE game.
yeah they did. the last minute of that game was the biggest choke in nba history

[Red Hawk #21]

Spurs had a flukey game 6 in the 2013 Finals. See how that works? It's just ONE game.

6 and Game 2 of the 2015 Finals are two totally different situations. I don't even know how you can compare the two.

[DMC]

6 and Game 2 of the 2015 Finals are two totally different situations. I don't even know how you can compare the two.

If an entire game was a fluke, then the last 5 minutes of a game can much more easily be a fluke.

[DMC]

yeah they did. the last minute of that game was the biggest choke in nba history
Choke or fluke?

If Kobe had won at least one of the Finals MVP awards during the 3peat, would that change how you view Kobe's career?

What if Scotty Pippen won one of the Finals MVP awards instead of Michael? Would MJ still be considered the GOAT?

[spurraider21]

Choke or fluke?

If Kobe had won at least one of the Finals MVP awards during the 3peat, would that change how you view Kobe's career?

What if Scotty Pippen won one of the Finals MVP awards instead of Michael? Would MJ still be considered the GOAT?
how differently do you look at andre iguodala?

[Red Hawk #21]

If an entire game was a fluke, then the last 5 minutes of a game can much more easily be a fluke.

Steph played well in Games 1,3,4,5,6 and the Warriors won the Championship. Why would this situation be compared to 6? I don't understand where you're going with this one.

[DMC]

how differently do you look at andre iguodala?

A lot differently because of his performance in the Finals. Same with Kawhi. Inevitably players who get to the Finals are judged on how they did there. That's one reason why Tim is rated above Karl.

So are you going to answer my question or just redirect?

[DMC]

The team played well in Games 1,3,4,5,6 and the Warriors won the Championship. Why would this situation be compared to 6? I don't understand where you're going with this one.
See how that works?

Steph wasn't the best player on the team in the Finals. The fact that Lebron got 4 votes to Steph's 0 should tell you that.

[spurraider21]

A lot differently because of his performance in the Finals. Same with Kawhi. Inevitably players who get to the Finals are judged on how they did there. That's one reason why Tim is rated above Karl.

So are you going to answer my question or just redirect?
as i said before, you need to look at this on a case by case basis. context is everything. if curry shit the bed throughout the series and iggy lifted them out of the grave, its quite different than a scenario where both guys played well and one got the mvp because he was up against lebron individually

if kobe got a finals mvp alongside shaq, i'd need context too. do we assume they played exactly as they did but the voters just happened to give kobe the nod? the numbers would indicate they got it wrong in that scenario. but if we redo history and kobe actually outplays shaq in the finals (would be quite the herculean feat considering how historically dominant shaq was during each of those 3peat finals) then yes, kobe would deservedly be looked at differently

[spurraider21]

this whole talk about fmvp only began because you brought up how he got "shut down by delly." i couldnt care less about the mvp award and the numbers + common sense show that he didnt get "shut down by delly"

you're subscribing to the reasoning that "curry didnt win fmvp = curry got shut down by delly"

i'm not buying that. its a false equivalency

[DMC]

as i said before, you need to look at this on a case by case basis. context is everything. if curry shit the bed throughout the series and iggy lifted them out of the grave, its quite different than a scenario where both guys played well and one got the mvp because he was up against lebron individually

if kobe got a finals mvp alongside shaq, i'd need context too. do we assume they played exactly as they did but the voters just happened to give kobe the nod? the numbers would indicate they got it wrong in that scenario. but if we redo history and kobe actually outplays shaq in the finals (would be quite the herculean feat considering how historically dominant shaq was during each of those 3peat finals) then yes, kobe would deservedly be looked at differently

Looking back you have no idea how Kobe played. You just know Shaq won the Finals MVP. You'd have to go look it up but if the argument surfaced about rings, the "Shaq carried Kobe for 3 rings" comment follows, as it should.

So you still didn't answer my question, you just yapped a lot.

I think everyone here knows that accolades stack up else the pic where Tim has 3 Finals MVP awards and Kobe only has two would not really mean anything. After all, didn't Manu really deserve that one in 2005?

Keep responding like a player fan.

If you think Steph is a better offensive player than Lebron, maybe you need to ask yourself how Lebron averaged more ppg than Curry in the Finals. Lebron averaged almost 36ppg, 13 rebounds and 8 assists. That trumps Curry in every category, and he only played a couple more minutes per.

"But but.. it's because AI held him down, played great defense" yeah and allowed those numbers off the fucking bench and still won the Finals MVP.

There were 6 Warriors with a higher FG% in the Finals than Curry. SIX

[spurraider21]

did i actually say steph is a better offensive player than lebron?

i'm just refuting your "lol he got shut down by delly" horse shit and you've turned it into a pissing contest over the deeper meaning of finals mvp

[DMC]

did i actually say steph is a better offensive player than lebron?

i'm just refuting your "lol he got shut down by delly" horse shit and you've turned it into a pissing contest over the deeper meaning of finals mvp

He got shut down by Delladova. Even if it was just one game, it was enough to skew his numbers to the point where Delly made a name and Iggy walked away with the hardware. Imagine Matt Bonner shutting down Lebron for one game and so JR Smith gets the Finals MVP because he averaged 14 points a game and played decent defense against Kawhi Leonard.

Suddenly Bonner is the Lebron stopper and Lebron is overrated.

and lol at your "I didn't say anything, I'm just..." style of responding. You never make a point, you just nay say because its in your Philo DNA.

[TDMVPDPOY]

He got shut down by Delladova. Even if it was just one game, it was enough to skew his numbers to the point where Delly made a name and Iggy walked away with the hardware. Imagine Matt Bonner shutting down Lebron for one game and so JR Smith gets the Finals MVP because he averaged 14 points a game and played decent defense against Kawhi Leonard.

Suddenly Bonner is the Lebron stopper and Lebron is overrated.

and lol at your "I didn't say anything, I'm just..." style of responding. You never make a point, you just nay say because its in your Philo DNA.

isnt that the same shit that happen to lebron in the 07 finals...yet some pos ran away with the fmvp cause he had some pos rookie on him all series

[DMC]

isnt that the same shit that happen to lebron in the 07 finals...yet some pos ran away with the fmvp cause he had some pos rookie on him all series

Curry had a rookie on him all series and he lost the Finals MVP.

Tony made his name on that. That's what will get Tony into the HOF.

No one would remember Chauncy B-B-B-B-Billups if Kobe doesn't gift him a Bill Russell trophy.

If Derek Fisher won a Finals MVP, he'd be a lock.

Besides, you cannot get swept and win the Finals MVP. So I have no fucking idea what you're on about. Did your English revert back to Swahili?

[spurraider21]

He got shut down by Delladova. Even if it was just one game, it was enough to skew his numbers to the point where Delly made a name and Iggy walked away with the hardware. Imagine Matt Bonner shutting down Lebron for one game and so JR Smith gets the Finals MVP because he averaged 14 points a game and played decent defense against Kawhi Leonard.

Suddenly Bonner is the Lebron stopper and Lebron is overrated.

and lol at your "I didn't say anything, I'm just..." style of responding. You never make a point, you just nay say because its in your Philo DNA.
you made a bullshit claim and i called you out on it. that's all it is. just like how you said "curry admitted to getting shut down by delly" even though curry said it was a fluke shooting game :lol

and yes, mongoloids have harped on that one game to the point where delly has a name because of it. curry had no problems scoring against delly in games 1, 3, 4, 5, 6.

[DMC]

you made a bullshit claim and i called you out on it. that's all it is. and yes, mongoloids have harped on that one game to the point where delly has a name because of it

Was Curry shut down in game 2?

You: "No it was a fluke, everyone who disagrees is a mongoloid. See I just called you out."

lol

[spurraider21]

Was Curry shut down in game 2?

You: "No it was a fluke, everyone who disagrees is a mongoloid"

lol
actually that was curry's response

[DMC]

actually that was curry's response

Bottom line:

Guarded by a white bench scrub rookie, Stephen Curry did not win the 2015 Bill Russell NBA Finals MVP award.

Guarding the best player in the league, a washed up bench playing AI did.

Steph Curry had the 7th best FG% on his team despite shooting 50% more FGA than the next highest player.

Steph Curry was exposed in the Finals. He's a good player, no doubt, but he's nowhere near Lebron James, not even close.

Now it just comes down to confirmation bias, whether you'll admit Mattthew Delladova had anything to do with it.

[spurraider21]

and yes, mongoloids have harped on that one game to the point where delly has a name because of it. curry had no problems scoring against delly in games 1, 3, 4, 5, 6.

[DMC]

Why do you keep quoting yourself as if you said something profound? You've not make a single stance, not one. You seem to lack the balls to make a stance, too afraid you'll have to defend it.

Curry was shut down in that game, that's all that matters. That still qualifies as being shut down and you cannot argue with the numbers (well you can and you will in a backdoor kind of chickenshit way).

[spurraider21]

you're just trying to make something out of nothing, and i'm seeing through it

[DMC]

you're just trying to make something out of nothing, and i'm seeing through it
^Another generic statement that could be interpreted as anything in the world and never needs to be defended.

[spurraider21]

^Another generic statement that could be interpreted as anything in the world and never needs to be defended.
if you know how to read with context you'd know exactly how to interpret it

[DMC]

if you know how to read with context you'd know exactly how to interpret it
^Yet another one.

Everything you say is laced with caveats and escape hatches. You hedge your comments in such a way as to not make a stance, opting instead to force your opponent into going on the defense. That's fine I guess, if you don't mind being down in the noise with the rest of the forum know-nothings and playing it safe.

Why expect someone to read with context? Why not explicitly state your case? I mean, unless you're so unsure of yourself that you feel safer in your zone. This way you can just say you were misinterpreted, that you "never actually said..."

[spurraider21]

i have stated repeatedly that i disagree with "Delly shut down Curry in the finals"

there's no caveat. there's no back door hatch. you just make shit like that up to look good in the public eye

[DMC]

i have stated repeatedly that i disagree with "Delly shut down Curry in the finals"

there's no caveat. there's no back door hatch. you just make shit like that up to look good in the public eye


you're just trying to make something out of nothing, and i'm seeing through it


if you know how to read with context you'd know exactly how to interpret it

lol

How is "I disagree" a stance?

We all know you disagree, Philo. What's your counter argument?

Is it:

A: Curry was not shut down by Delly
B: Curry deserved the Finals MVP
C: The voters were wrong
D: The voters were right
E: AI deserved the Finals MVP over Curry (which means you have to accept that Curry played at a lower level during the Finals than he had the rest of the season).

What?

Just "uh uh" isn't a stance.

[spurraider21]

lol

How is "I disagree" a stance?

We all know you disagree, Philo. What's your counter argument?

Is it:

A: Curry was not shut down by Delly
B: Curry deserved the Finals MVP
C: The voters were wrong
D: The voters were right
E: AI deserved the Finals MVP over Curry (which means you have to accept that Curry played at a lower level during the Finals than he had the rest of the season).

What?

Just "uh uh" isn't a stance.


i have stated repeatedly that i disagree with "Delly shut down Curry in the finals"

there's no caveat. there's no back door hatch. you just make shit like that up to look good in the public eye
are you seriously that fucking retarded? i said it outright

the mongoloid label is pretty fitting

[DMC]

are you seriously that fucking retarded? i said it outright

the mongoloid label is pretty fitting

I disagree with...

Even then all you did was highlight something instead of saying it, requiring interpretation again. You're a chickenshit.

What's your counter argument as to why Steph had such a shitty night in game 2? Is it that game 2 is irrelevant so you're basically dodging the question? I mean, since you disavowed saying it was a fluke.

Do you think game 2 fucked him out of the Finals MVP?

Why do you consider basketball professionals to be mongoloids, I mean since they all agreed that game 2 indeed mattered.

What about " 'I disagree with' isn't a stance" don't you understand?

[DMC]

Let me make this simpler for you Philo. Yes or no answers from you only:

Was Curry shut down in game 2 of the 2015 NBA Finals? Yes or no

[spurraider21]

Let me make this simpler for you Philo. Yes or no answers from you only:

Was Curry shut down in game 2 of the 2015 NBA Finals? Yes or no
sure

how much of it has to do with delly and how much of it has to do with curry having an off game is up for debate.

[DMC]

sure

how much of it has to do with delly and how much of it has to do with curry having an off game is up for debate.

Was Curry shut down in game 2 of the 2015 NBA Finals? Yes or no

[spurraider21]

i'm not required to follow your instructions

[JohnnyMax]

Why does Lebron get a pass for being shut down by Iguodala?

[DMC]

i'm not required to follow your instructions

So you don't want to commit.

That means your position is weak and you don't trust it enough to attempt a defense.

Chickenshit.

[DMC]

Why does Lebron get a pass for being shut down by Iguodala?

Lebron averaged 35/13/8. He got 4 Finals MVP votes on the losing team. Steph got zero on the winning team. I wouldn't call that being shut down. Regardless, make that claim and defend it if you like.

[spurraider21]

Lebron averaged 35/13/8. He got 4 Finals MVP votes on the losing team. Steph got zero on the winning team. I wouldn't call that being shut down. Regardless, make that claim and defend it if you like.
iggy won finals mvp matched up directly against lebron and held him to sub 40% field goals. thats not shutting him down?

[JohnnyMax]

LeBron went 18-of-54 (.333%) against Iguodala in the 15' finals with Iggy in his shorts whenever he guarded him. Of LeBron's 54 shots when guarded by Iguodala, only 8 were uncontested. LeBron shot 7-of-8 on open looks when guarded by Iguodala, but only shot 11-of-46 (.239%) on contested shots. According to ESPN Stats & Information data, that's worse than what LeBron shot when guarded by Jimmy Butler in the 2015 Eastern Conference semifinals at 39.3%. When Iggy was on the floor the Cavs were a minus -55. When Iggy was on the bench, LeBron shot 44% and the Cavs were a plus +30. On shots contested by anyone else other than Iguodala, James shot 41%. The last 3 games, there were 13 instances in which Iguodala has switched off James after starting the possession on him. LeBron shot 2-for-11 with a turnover on those possessions.

[Red Hawk #21]

LeBron went 18-of-54 (.333%) against Iguodala in the 15' finals with Iggy in his shorts whenever he guarded him. Of LeBron's 54 shots when guarded by Iguodala, only 8 were uncontested. LeBron shot 7-of-8 on open looks when guarded by Iguodala, but only shot 11-of-46 (.239%) on contested shots. According to ESPN Stats & Information data, that's worse than what LeBron shot when guarded by Jimmy Butler in the 2015 Eastern Conference semifinals at 39.3%. When Iggy was on the floor the Cavs were a minus -55. When Iggy was on the bench, LeBron shot 44% and the Cavs were a plus +30. On shots contested by anyone else other than Iguodala, James shot 41%. The last 3 games, there were 13 instances in which Iguodala has switched off James after starting the possession on him. LeBron shot 2-for-11 with a turnover on those possessions.

http://i.imgur.com/25AAgzG.png
Now this is what you call being "shut down". I had no idea that it was this bad.

[spurraider21]

and its more than a 1 game sample size :wow

[DMC]

iggy won finals mvp matched up directly against lebron and held him to sub 40% field goals. thats not shutting him down?
Was Curry shut down in game 2 of the 2015 NBA Finals? Yes or no

[DAF86]

:lmao Couldn't be anymore wrong tbh. Iguodala is the reason the Warriors didn't choke that series, in all honesty. He came up big when Curry was disappearing in key stretches.


Everyone who watched that series knew Iguodala was their most valuable player.

Swap Igoudala with any decent wingmen in the league and the Warriors still win those finals. Swap Curry and they are fucked.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Do any of you guys think the LeBron era is over?

[spurraider21]

Was Curry shut down in game 2 of the 2015 NBA Finals? Yes or no
possibly

[DMC]

possibly
Just say you don't fucking know. That's what your responses always amount to, pussy.

[RsxPiimp]

Swap Igoudala with any decent wingmen in the league and the Warriors still win those finals. Swap Curry and they are fucked.

Can't play hypotheticals brah. Iggy not only did a magnificent job defending Lebron but he was huge offensively in crucial games. Can't say the same for Curry in that series.

[TDfan2007]

Was Curry shut down in game 2 of the 2015 NBA Finals? Yes or no

Curry was shut down in that game, and it was embarrassing, but LeBron was shut down for an entire series. His numbers were fantastic because of his all-around brilliance and historically high usage rate, but he was awful shooting the ball, and often settled for bad shots.

In any case, comparing Curry and LeBron is classic "apples to oranges." They're both extremely potent and efficient, but they go about their business in completely different ways.

[TDfan2007]

Can't play hypotheticals brah. Iggy not only did a magnificent job defending Lebron but he was huge offensively in crucial games. Can't say the same for Curry in that series.

:tu

[DAF86]

Can't play hypotheticals brah. Iggy not only did a magnificent job defending Lebron but he was huge offensively in crucial games. Can't say the same for Curry in that series.

Yeah, 'cause your "Iguodala is the reason the Warriors didn't choke that series" comment is a proven fact. :lol

About the "huge offensively in crucial games" stuff:

Game 1, last 4 minutes of the 4th and the entire OT:

Curry - 8 pts
Iggy - 1 pt

Game 2: loss
Game 3: loss
game 4: win with no crunch time

Game 5, last 4 minutes (actually a bit more to include an Iggy 3 so you don't say I'm biased):

Curry - 12 pts
Iggy - 5 pts

Game 6, last 4 minutes:

Curry - 8 pts
Iggy - 2 pts

I know you Kobe fans aren't big fans of stats and facts but c'mon dude. :lol

[TDfan2007]

Yeah, 'cause your "Iguodala is the reason the Warriors didn't choke that series" comment is a proven fact. :lol

About the "huge offensively in crucial games" stuff:

Game 1, last 4 minutes of the 4th and the entire OT:

Curry - 8 pts
Iggy - 1 pt

Game 2: loss
Game 3: loss
game 4: win with no crunch time

Game 5, last 4 minutes (actually a bit more to include an Iggy 3 so you don't say I'm biased):

Curry - 12 pts
Iggy - 5 pts

Game 6, last 4 minutes:

Curry - 8 pts
Iggy - 2 pts

I know you Kobe fans aren't big fans of stats and facts but c'mon dude. :lol

Iggy was their playmaker in crunchtime, not their go-to scorer...

[DAF86]

Iggy was their playmaker in crunchtime, not their go-to scorer...

I will post the assist totals for each player and you will tell me Iggy had a lot of "hockey assist", I will somehow find the "hockey assists" to post them and you will come up with something else to try to prove what your "eye test" had you thinking happened.

The fact is that Curry played a bit below his habilities and Iggy exceeded his and the voters let themselves fool by that, but the reality is: even with Curry not playing as well as he can, he was still clearly more valuable to the Warriors in that series than Iguodala.

[RsxPiimp]

come on man, are you really arguing the legitimacy of Iguodala winning the Finals MVP? His impact is way beyond numbers tbh and speaking of numbers, he had the second highest net rating in the finals, second to LeBron.

[DAF86]

OMG, are you really arguing the legitimacy of Iguodala winning the Finals MVP? His impact is way beyond numbers tbh, :lmao

Hahahahahaha. OH MY GOSH, OK THEN! "His impact is way beyond numbers". You've convinced me now. :lol

[spurraider21]

in the 2015 playoffs, Curry shot 45.6% from the field. In the finals he shot 44.3%, largely skewed by a 5-23 game 2

for the playoffs, he averaged 6.4 assists, in the finals he averaged 6.3

he played fine. but iguodala performed above any expectations while matched up against the best player in the world. he helped shut down lebron (relatively. lebron still had massive production but god awful efficiency) and was a huge contributor on the offensive end. hard to call his winning F-MVP a mistake on those merits alone. But if people's reasoning is because "lol curry got shut down" then they're just harping on one game instead of looking at the series as whole

[TDfan2007]

in the 2015 playoffs, Curry shot 45.6% from the field. In the finals he shot 44.3%, largely skewed by a 5-23 game 2

for the playoffs, he averaged 6.4 assists, in the finals he averaged 6.3

he played fine. but iguodala performed above any expectations while matched up against the best player in the world. he helped shut down lebron (relatively. lebron still had massive production but god awful efficiency) and was a huge contributor on the offensive end. hard to call his winning F-MVP a mistake on those merits alone. But if people's reasoning is because "lol curry got shut down" then they're just harping on one game instead of looking at the series as whole

This, basically.

[RsxPiimp]

Hahahahahaha. OH MY GOSH, OK THEN! "His impact is way beyond numbers". You've convinced me now. :lol

Iguodala was sublime in the final three games, making timely shots, getting out on the break, getting rebounds, getting assists and undoubtedly gave Golden State an emotional lift after it fell behind 2-1. Since you like numbers, I already told you he was second in net rating, behind only James.


Defensively. When Lebron was in the floor at the same time as Iggy, his field goal percentage was .351% Lebron also shot just 30 percent on shots contested by Iguodala. When contested by anyone else, James shot 42 percent.


I'm not denying Curry is the vital cog of the Warriors, but Iguodala's impact far exceeds the cherry picked numbers you put up.

[DMC]

in the 2015 playoffs, Curry shot 45.6% from the field. In the finals he shot 44.3%, largely skewed by a 5-23 game 2

for the playoffs, he averaged 6.4 assists, in the finals he averaged 6.3

he played fine. but iguodala performed above any expectations while matched up against the best player in the world. he helped shut down lebron (relatively. lebron still had massive production but god awful efficiency) and was a huge contributor on the offensive end. hard to call his winning F-MVP a mistake on those merits alone. But if people's reasoning is because "lol curry got shut down" then they're just harping on one game instead of looking at the series as whole

When you say a bench player played above expectations and got the MVP for the series, you also are saying everyone else didn't get it. You're ignoring the fact that a league MVP is a person who is typcially far and away the reason for his team's regular seasons success. Steph came into the Finals with high expectations, so while AI rose above expectations, Curry did not meet his. You can show the percentages all you want because cherry pickers cherry pick.

You cannot even tell an honest story without bending it to your bias.

[spurraider21]

:lol taking his numbers for the entire finals vs the entire playoffs = cherry picking

i'm sorry that your notion of curry getting shut down in the finals was just your simple mind overreacting to one game

[DMC]

Curry was shut down in that game, and it was embarrassing, but LeBron was shut down for an entire series. His numbers were fantastic because of his all-around brilliance and historically high usage rate, but he was awful shooting the ball, and often settled for bad shots.

In any case, comparing Curry and LeBron is classic "apples to oranges." They're both extremely potent and efficient, but they go about their business in completely different ways.

Lebron wasn't shut down by Curry.

[DMC]

:lol taking his numbers for the entire finals vs the entire playoffs = cherry picking

i'm sorry that your notion of curry getting shut down in the finals was just your simple mind overreacting to one game
:lol Saying 35/13/8 average is being shut down but

http://i.imgur.com/ZRPP2GK.jpg


Isn't being shut down by Delly.

I guess game 2 wasn't in the Finals since you disagree that Steph was shut down in the Finals.

[spurraider21]

you could say he was shut down in one game of the finals. would be intellectually dishonest to say "the finals" in the same way it would be dishonest to say "stephen curry got shut down in the 14-15 season"

[DMC]

you could say he was shut down in one game of the finals. would be intellectually dishonest to say "the finals" in the same way it would be dishonest to say "stephen curry got shut down in the 14-15 season"
"you could say"...

More non-committal bullshit from you.

YOU could say it, but so far you haven't.

lol you said "the finals" in both versions.

[DAF86]

Iguodala was sublime in the final three games, making timely shots, getting out on the break, getting rebounds, getting assists and undoubtedly gave Golden State an emotional lift after it fell behind 2-1. Since you like numbers, I already told you he was second in net rating, behind only James.


Defensively. When Lebron was in the floor at the same time as Iggy, his field goal percentage was .351% Lebron also shot just 30 percent on shots contested by Iguodala. When contested by anyone else, James shot 42 percent.


I'm not denying Curry is the vital cog of the Warriors, but Iguodala's impact far exceeds the cherry picked numbers you put up.

:lol "Cherry picked numbers"? Aren't you the one that said this?


Can't play hypotheticals brah. Iggy not only did a magnificent job defending Lebron but he was huge offensively in crucial games. Can't say the same for Curry in that series.

I showed you with numbers just how "huge offensively" each one was in crucial games. I don't know with what shit are you going to come up now but a 28 to 8 differential in crunch time is really hard to spin, son. Just save the time, accept you were talking out of your ass, and I will let it go easy on you.

[DMC]

:lol "Cherry picked numbers"? Aren't you the one that said this?



I showed you with numbers just how "huge offensively" each one was in crucial games. I don't know with what shit are you going to come up now but a 28 to 8 differential in crunch time is really hard to spin, son. Just save the time, accept you were talking out of your ass, and I will let it go easy on you.
Let what go easy on him?

[DAF86]

Let what go easy on him?

:sleep

[StrengthAndHonor]

Deserves a bump IMO...