If the Raiders relocate to San Antonio, will you call them your NFL team?

[xmas1997]

Regardless of the Spurs, will you continue to embrace another city's NFL team as your team, like Houston, or Dallas, or etc.?

I would call the San Antonio Raiders, or the South Texas Raiders, my NFL team.

What about you, or does it even matter?


EDIT: Please try to keep things in perspective if you can and realize this thread deals with a "hypothetical" situation and is not a real sure fire reality that is literally true or factual in any way whatsoever.

[lefty]

As if SA wasnt already obese

[xmas1997]

As if SA wasnt already obese

What?

[Avante]

When the Raiders first came into existence in Oakland*** back in 1960 there was a ....name your team..poll. It came down to The Raiders and The Senors. If they did move to San Antonio....The San Antonio Senors...hmmm?

*** a very scarey place after 9pm.

[mrsmaalox]

Doesn't matter to me, I don't like football.

[ChumpDumper]

"South Texas" sounds like a mid major college. Not into the nfl enough to call any one "my" team but would go to a game or two per season.

[Blake]

The Raiders are a shitty franchise.

I'd prefer a shiny new franchise or none at all over the Raiders.

[xmas1997]

The Raiders are a shitty franchise.

I'd prefer a shiny new franchise or none at all over the Raiders.

I understand preferences, etc., and that is fine, but remember, the Spurs were a shitty franchise too when they first moved here from Dallas as the Chaparrals.

I honestly think that of all the NFL teams that could move here, the Raiders would have the best chance to prosper due to their mystique as being the "bad boys" of the NFL, the "us against the world" image that they nurtured similar to the Pistons of yesteryear of the NBA, the marketing strategy would be easy to promote, and embrace by the fans, and would even less conflict with the Spurs "good guys" image.

[The Reckoning]

they aren't moving.


historically, the lipan apaches raided san antonio but we live in a politically correct society so theres no other way to tie that distinction to SA

[xmas1997]

they aren't moving.


historically, the lipan apaches raided san antonio but we live in a politically correct society so theres no other way to tie that distinction to SA

I'm sure your first statement was meant to be a strong "opinion" and no more, because we don't know with certainty yet what will happen.
This is a "hypothetical" situation, not a literal certain situation. I explained this in the opening post.

But I do like your example about the Apaches, I had not considered that fact, very interesting.

[spurraider21]

they will always be my team... they've been a poorly run organization for a while now, but they're not a "shit franchise." 3 superbowl wins, 5 appearances, 13 hall of famers (more than Texas' beloved cowboys), not to mention Al Davis being the guy that made the NFL-AFL merger possible. the Al Davis led Raiders have also been leaders in the league's civil rights ideologies. long before the pathetic rooney rule, Davis was the first owner to hire an african american head coach, first to name a female executive, and actually refused to allow his team to play in cities which forced black and white players to stay in different hotels.

[The Gemini Method]

:cry Raiduhhhz

[Blake]

they will always be my team... they've been a poorly run organization for a while now, but they're not a "shit franchise." 3 superbowl wins, 5 appearances, 13 hall of famers (more than Texas' beloved cowboys), not to mention Al Davis being the guy that made the NFL-AFL merger possible. the Al Davis led Raiders have also been leaders in the league's civil rights ideologies. long before the pathetic rooney rule, Davis was the first owner to hire an african american head coach, first to name a female executive, and actually refused to allow his team to play in cities which forced black and white players to stay in different hotels.

K, currently they're a shitty franchise

[xmas1997]

Magic Johnson wants the Raiders in Los Angeles and is ready to break ground on a new stadium with league approval.
If it's between S. A. and L. A., L. A. wins hands down.

[silverblk mystix]

With what Jerry Jones has turned the cowboys into -


I would absolutely support the Raiders -

(not the texas tech rump raiders)

[cantthinkofanything]

will McFaddin develop into the kind of sexual predator that Robertson eventually became?

[FkLA]

K, currently they're a shitty franchise

lol who cares, just means that bc of the law of averages they'll be back to bring good sooner rather than later

[FkLA]

Magic Johnson wants the Raiders in Los Angeles and is ready to break ground on a new stadium with league approval.
If it's between S. A. and L. A., L. A. wins hands down.

link? that aids infested faggot always wants to buy everything smh

[Blake]

lol who cares, just means that bc of the law of averages they'll be back to bring good sooner rather than later

Grew up on cowboys. Even though I prefer following my fantasy football team over any real team, if I had to pick, I'd rather go to Dallas to watch a game than give any time or money to these Raiders.

[Blake]

lol who cares, just means that bc of the law of averages they'll be back to bring good sooner rather than later

Lol law of averages

[xmas1997]

link? that aids infested faggot always wants to buy everything smh

Here you go:

http://q.usatoday.com/2014/08/13/magic-johnson-is-probably-right-about-that-l-a-football-team/

[Chinook]

Nope. They'd've had to come over in the early 90s. For that to happen. I'm a Ravens fan now, and nothing would change that.

[xmas1997]

.

[xmas1997]

Grew up on cowboys. Even though I prefer following my fantasy football team over any real team, if I had to pick, I'd rather go to Dallas to watch a game than give any time or money to these Raiders.

Good for you. San Antonio Raiders don't want any band wagon fans anyway.
You can keep making Jerry Jones richer despite the lousy product on the field.
:lmao

[Blake]

Good for you. San Antonio Raiders don't want any band wagon fans anyway.
:lmao

Yes they would.

[Blake]

Good for you. San Antonio Raiders don't want any band wagon fans anyway.
You can keep making Jerry Jones richer despite the lousy product on the field.
:lmao

You're stupid.

[leemajors]

With what Jerry Jones has turned the cowboys into -


I would absolutely support the Raiders -

(not the texas tech rump raiders)

If I was gonna ditch the boys due to JJ, I woulda done it when my uncles did after he fired Landry.

[xmas1997]

From upstairs:

Tom Orsborn (@tom_orsborn) tweeted at 3:31 PM on Wed, Aug 13, 2014:
Magic dismissing #Raiders to S.A. fires up G. Gervin: "I don't like Magic or nobody else talking bout my city. My city is ready 4 anything."
(https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/stat...54414991245314)

Tom Orsborn (@tom_orsborn) tweeted at 3:32 PM on Wed, Aug 13, 2014:
More from Ice 2 Magic: "Magic, you know I love u, but it's like the old days, you talking about my moma, I'm going to hit you in your mouth.
(https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/stat...54804520443905)

Tom Orsborn (@tom_orsborn) tweeted at 3:33 PM on Wed, Aug 13, 2014:
More Gervin to Magic: "You mean, the world champs San Antonio, come on Magic Man?"
(https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/stat...55015196135424)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They would become my AFC team sure. I rotate my AFFC every few years anyway as the game changes. I like Fat Reid over with the Chiefs atm. Used to be an Okoye fan when I was little.

[johnsmith]

Since San Antonio easily has the most "city envy" of any American town I've been too, I for one would love for the raiders to come here so I could wear a Broncos jersey to one game a year....assuming they'd stay in the AFC West.

[xmas1997]

Since San Antonio easily has the most "city envy" of any American town I've been too, I for one would love for the raiders to come here so I could wear a Broncos jersey to one game a year....assuming they'd stay in the AFC West.

They would probably stay in the AFC West.
Aren't the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC West?

[spurraider21]

there's no way they ever move the raiders out of the AFC west... too much history with the teams there

[Avante]

They would probably stay in the AFC West.
Aren't the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC West?

We've had..

Dallas Texans
Denver Broncos
Los Angeles Chargers
Oakland Raiders

Kansas City Chiefs (Dallas Texans)
Denver Broncos
San Diego Chargers
Oakland Raiders

Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
San Diego Chargers
Los Angeles Raiders
Seattle Seahawks (first season in the NFC West)

And what we currently have.

The first....Cowboys....were the 1925 Kansas City Cowboys.

[DJR210]

NFL Forum ^

[Avante]

NFL Forum ^

translation

Wow, how do you do that Avante? So who were the first 1000 yard rushers for those AFC west teams other than Seattle?

Here ya go amigo.

Broncos....Floyd Little Syracuse
Chiefs...Abner Haynes North Texas State
Chargers....Paul Lowe Oregon State
Raiders....Clemon Daneils Prairie View

[RD2191]

translation

Wow, how do you do that Avante? So who were the first 1000 yard rushers for those AFC west teams other than Seattle?

Here ya go amigo.

Broncos....Floyd Little Syracuse
Chiefs...Abner Haynes North Texas State
Chargers....Paul Lowe Oregon State
Raiders....Clemon Daneils Prairie View
:lol

[DJR210]

translation

Wow, how do you do that Avante? So who were the first 1000 yard rushers for those AFC west teams other than Seattle?

Here ya go amigo.

Broncos....Floyd Little Syracuse
Chiefs...Abner Haynes North Texas State
Chargers....Paul Lowe Oregon State
Raiders....Clemon Daneils Prairie View

Real translation:

Wasn't even talking to you, was referring to the thread. But this is just you thinking the forum revolves around you, per the usual.

[Avante]

Real translation:

Wasn't even talking to you, was referring to the thread. But this is just you thinking the forum revolves around you, per the usual.

translation

Avante, you're amazing. So what did the first AFL season look like.

Here ya go midget.

1960

Western Conference

Denver Broncos
Dallas Texans
Los Angeles Chargers
Oakland Raiders

Eastern Conference

Boston Patriots
Buffalo Bills
Houston Oilers
New York Titans

[ChumpDumper]

listbot activated

[AFBlue]

Yes, easily.

[DesignatedT]

Most Raider fans wouldn't follow them to SA. They'd all jump on that niner bandwagon

[Avante]

Most Raider fans wouldn't follow them to SA. They'd all jump on that niner bandwagon

That's not true, it just doesn't work that way with current fans.

Yes, there wouldn't be any new fans out of Oakland.

[DesignatedT]

They'd lose interest after awhile and those who actually come to visit will see that San Antonio has a much different culture. Them currently having shitty fans doesn't matter is the point.

[DJR210]

translation

Avante, you're amazing. So what did the first AFL season look like.

Here ya go midget.

1960

Western Conference

Denver Broncos
Dallas Texans
Los Angeles Chargers
Oakland Raiders

Eastern Conference

Boston Patriots
Buffalo Bills
Houston Oilers
New York Titans

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/avante_zps6d7d7bac.jpg

[Avante]

They'd lose interest after awhile and those who actually come to visit will see that San Antonio has a much different culture. Them currently having shitty fans doesn't matter is the point.

No the "current" fans wouldn't lose interest. No more than I'd lose interest in the Niners (my team since the early 60's) if they moved to London. There are Raider/Niner fans all over the world.

[Avante]

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/avante_zps6d7d7bac.jpg

Are you really as fucking dumb as you appear? Do you really think a girl that young was working bars? Dude, you really do need to get out more, honest, you don't seem to know shit about anything.

[Blizzardwizard]

Raiders fans would take any opportunity/excuse to jump ship to as mentioned above 9ers bandwagon or the newly developing Saints bandwagon.

[spurraider21]

Raiders fans would take any opportunity/excuse to jump ship to as mentioned above 9ers bandwagon or the newly developing Saints bandwagon.
my ass. raider fans have stuck around through all this shit. they're not going anywhere

[xmas1997]

Raiders fans would take any opportunity/excuse to jump ship to as mentioned above 9ers bandwagon or the newly developing Saints bandwagon.

I respectfully disagree, Raider fans are some of the most rabidly loyal fans in football from my experience.
Magic Johnson is one and doesn't want them to move out of California, and especailly not to the city the Spurs call home.

[DJR210]

Are you really as fucking dumb as you appear? Do you really think a girl that young was working bars? Dude, you really do need to get out more, honest, you don't seem to know shit about anything.

:lmao coming from you

[z0sa]

Since I currently dont give a shit about football, it would give me a reason to support a team, so yes. The Spurs would still always be numero uno en mi corazon though tbh

[Avante]

:lmao coming from you

I;m not the one who tries to talk about shit I know...0...about, that's your thing.

[Clipper Nation]

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/avante_zps6d7d7bac.jpg
:lmao

[Blake]

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/avante_zps6d7d7bac.jpg

Lol

[bigzak25]

Lol!

[ChumpDumper]

I respectfully disagree, Raider fans are some of the most rabidly loyal fans in football from my experience.They rabidly put the Raiders dead last in attendance last season.

[xmas1997]

They rabidly put the Raiders dead last in attendance last season.


I wonder why?
:lmao

[DJR210]

I;m not the one who tries to talk about shit I know...0...about, that's your thing.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/old2_zpsf8dbf1cf.jpg

[xmas1997]

It looks like Magic is now exerting his influence on Davis and insulting San Antonio and the Spurs in the process, to the point it has riled up Ice to strike back verbally in defense.

[JudynTX]

No

[xellos88330]

Even though I am a niner fan, if SA gets its own team, you better believe I will have season tickets. I will still have love for the Niners, but I gotta go with what is most accessible.

[xmas1997]

Adding fuel to that fire was the presence in Oxnard of Hollywood power player Michael Ovitz, who joined Davis and Jerry Jones while they were speaking to reporters on Tuesday. Ovitz has formulated plans to build a stadium in downtown Los Angeles that could conceivably house two NFL teams — the San Diego Chargers and St. Louis Rams are the other teams who could move — and Jones gushed about the proposed arena on Tuesday.

But as Jason La Canfora reported Tuesday, any Raiders franchise in Los Angeles might not have the Davis family involved with it.

“The NFL, however, would prefer to give another ownership group the rights to Los Angeles — make no mistake, the road to LA goes through the league office in New York — as the Davis family already pulled out of Southern California once, and Davis doesn’t have the real estate, marketing and overall business expertise the league would demand for the coveted market,” La Canfora wrote.

Jones, of course, wants nothing to do with a team relocating to Texas and thus possibly stealing his team’s thunder, so his boosterism for a team or teams in Los Angeles is easily explainable. But still, Jones has the ears of the league’s other owners, and his voice likely will carry great weight.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/08/13/it-sure-doesnt-sound-like-the-raiders-will-be-in-oakland-after-this-season/?tid=hpModule_a4df998e-86a7-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394

[spurraider21]

Davis probably has the least cash of any NFL owner. in a salary cap league its not a big deal, but when it comes to a stadium, he might be SOL

[xmas1997]

Davis probably has the least cash of any NFL owner. in a salary cap league its not a big deal, but when it comes to a stadium, he might be SOL

This is why the smart choice would be to come to San Antonio and let the Spurs do his marketing for him IMHO.

[spurraider21]

This is why the smart choice would be to come to San Antonio and let the Spurs do his marketing for him IMHO.
he could also move to LA and buy out some of the minority shareholders

[Chomag]

I dont think there is a chance this would happen I'm pretty sure they would go to LA, but if it did I would fully support them especially if they under the helm of some of the Spurs owners.

[TheyCallMePro]

ONLY if the Spurs take 100% control of them. And they must change their name, their culture, and everything else about their shitty team and organization. And their owner needs to stay the FUCK out of the way of the new coach and GM that will be hired.

Those are the conditions. Otherwise, I'm sticking with basketball and the Spurs and will refuse to watch a BAD NFL team play who's trying to take over our city.

[FkLA]

Davis probably has the least cash of any NFL owner. in a salary cap league its not a big deal, but when it comes to a stadium, he might be SOL

I've read that is why he isn't seen as an ideal owner for an LA team. They want a larger than life owner to take advantage of the markets potential, apparently.

[xmas1997]

San Antonio Spurs will always be our number 1 team in S. A. IMHO, but we can still have an NFL team too.

[spurraider21]

I've read that is why he isn't seen as an ideal owner for an LA team. They want a larger than life owner to take advantage of the markets potential, apparently.
the idea is since an LA stadium will be privately funded, he's going to have to sell a certain amount of the team to the investing group

[FkLA]

the idea is since an LA stadium will be privately funded, he's going to have to sell a certain amount of the team to the investing group

And he only owns 47% as is. That's why I think people that dismiss this bc LA is being mentioned are just being pessimists. If they do relocate SA is the smart bet IMO.

[Blake]

If they do relocate SA is the smart bet IMO.

Lol

[FkLA]

What other city is there? When we've been snubbed in recent years it's a team deciding to stay pat, not relocate somewhere else.

[xmas1997]

What other city is there? When we've been snubbed in recent years it's a team deciding to stay pat, not relocate somewhere else.

That's a realistic assessment, unlike what the trolls will have as you can see from the post above yours.

[Blake]

What other city is there? When we've been snubbed in recent years it's a team deciding to stay pat, not relocate somewhere else.

I'll take your bet

[Blake]

That's a realistic assessment, unlike what the trolls will have as you can see from the post above yours.

You're retarded.

[FkLA]

I'll take your bet

$5 ?

[xmas1997]

$5 ?

The moron posting above yours is a typical liar and troll who will never pay off nor have anything intelligent or constructive to say.

[bigzak25]

I'm a Redskin fan. BUT...if they were forced to change their name, and then they changed the colors too, I'd be without a team and would consider following a san antonio based team.

[leemajors]

The moron posting above yours is a typical liar and troll who will never pay off nor have anything intelligent or constructive to say.

As above, so below.

[xmas1997]

As above, so below.

You just implicated yourself.
Congratulations, job well done!
:lol

[leemajors]

You just implicated yourself.
Congratulations, job well done!
:lol

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, this much is obvious.

[xmas1997]

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, this much is obvious.

Better than being a taco short of a Mexican plate like you TBQH.
:lol

[Proxy]

it'd be nice to have a team to root for until the post-Jerry era

[leemajors]

Better than being a taco short of a Mexican plate like you TBQH.
:lol

Slow suicide by aspirin?

[xmas1997]

it'd be nice to have a team to root for until the post-Jerry era

A San Antonio team, not a Dallas or Houston team.

[Blake]

$5 ?

Deal. If they move the bet is on.

If they move to SA, you win. If they move anywhere else, I win.

[xmas1997]

Deal. If they move the bet is on.

If they move to SA, you win. If they move anywhere else, I win.

If you win, how the hell do you expect for him to pay up?
And do you really think he knows you are going to welch if he wins?

[Blake]

The moron posting above yours is a typical liar and troll who will never pay off nor have anything intelligent or constructive to say.

Why lie about me like that?

There are 11 people in the NFL forum that can confirm I've paid $50 last year and will pay $100 this year in fantasy football through a site similar to paypal.

your butthurt has gone beyond pathetic.

[Blake]

If you win, how the hell do you expect for him to pay up?
And do you really think he knows you are going to welch if he wins?

Paypal, but I doubt either of us will cry hard over a $5 Welch.

You're extremely unintelligent.

[xmas1997]

Why lie about me like that?

There are 11 people in the NFL forum that can confirm I've paid $50 last year and will pay $100 this year in fantasy through a site similar to paypal.

your butthurt has gone beyond pathetic.


Hey, it's not a lie, it's an opinion first off, and second, I seriously doubt you'ld pay if you lost is all, nothing personal.
You don't have to get your panties in an uproar.
I doubt you'll even remember you made the bet by the time it happens one way or another.
Don't be so serious, this is just a sports message board, not a mafia betting ring.
Calm down.
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Do you know what paypal is?

[xmas1997]

Do you know what paypal is?

Has nothing to do with welching on a bet.

[ChumpDumper]

If you win, how the hell do you expect for him to pay up?
And do you really think he knows you are going to welch if he wins?
Paypal is the answer to your first question.

Do you understand now

[xmas1997]

Paypal is the answer to your first question.

Do you understand now

Oh, I understood perfectly "the means" by which in order to pay online.
What you didn't understand was that if he lost, how would he be compelled to actually pay, who could actually make him???
Now do you understand?
I doubt it.
:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, I understood perfectly "the means" by which in order to pay online.
What you didn't understand was that if he lost, how would he be compelled to actually pay, who could actually make him???
Now do you understand?
I doubt it.
:lolso why did you ask the first question?

[xmas1997]

Just told you, or rather implied it like I did the first time that you didn't understand.
But I'll ask again using different words this time so that when you put them both together maybe then you will be able to, although I doubt it.
What makes you think either will pay off, how will you get either to pay? Not by what means can it be done.
Do you understand now?
:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, so you just can't put a coherent question together.

I understand.

[xmas1997]

Oh, so you just can't put a coherent question together.

I understand.

Oh, it was coherent alright, for intelligent people.
However you ignorant trolls are not expected to grasp common English, so it is no wonder you do not understand.
Do you understand now?
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, it was coherent alright, for intelligent people.
However you ignorant trolls are not expected to grasp common English, so it is no wonder you do not understand.
Do you understand now?
:lmaoI understand you are furiously trying to spin your stupidity.

[xmas1997]

I understand you are furiously trying to spin your stupidity.

Better to be temporarily stupid than permanently ignorant like in your case.
Sad part is, you aren't even aware of how ignorant you really are.
:lmao

[Blake]

Hey, it's not a lie, it's an opinion first off, and second, I seriously doubt you'ld pay if you lost is all, nothing personal.
You don't have to get your panties in an uproar.
I doubt you'll even remember you made the bet by the time it happens one way or another.
Don't be so serious, this is just a sports message board, not a mafia betting ring.
Calm down.
:lmao

You lied. Period.

You're too stupid to know the difference between factual claim and opinion.

[xmas1997]

You lied. Period.

You're too stupid to know the difference between factual claim and opinion.

You don't have to get so upset over an opinion.
Calm down.
Quit melting down and taking things so seriously, you'll have a heart attack.
:lmao

[Blake]

You don't know what a meltdown is any more than you know what Paypal is

[xmas1997]

You don't know what a meltdown is any more than you know what Paypal is

Sure I don't. :lol
But you being a moron, you don't even know you are a moron.
You exist in blissful ignorance.
:lmao

[Malik Hairston]

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/avante_zps6d7d7bac.jpg

:lol..

[xmas1997]

Aug 21, 2014, 1:05pm CDT
Raiders could enjoy greater financial success in San Antonio, Cisneros says
W. Scott Bailey
Reporter/Project Coordinator- San Antonio Business Journal

Forbes has released its latest ranking of NFL teams based on franchise valuations.

All but seven of the league’s 32 teams are, according to Forbes, worth $1 billion or more. The Oakland Raiders are one of the unfortunate few franchises not currently in the billionaires’ club.

The Raiders rank No. 28, with their current value assessed at $970 million — or about $2.2 billion less than the Dallas Cowboys, who haven’t secured a playoff spot since 2009.

At least three of the seven teams below the billion-dollar cutoff — the Chargers, Raiders and Rams, have serious concerns with their current stadium situations and could seek greener pastures in new cities.

Of particular interest to San Antonio are the Raiders, which face a number of challenges in Oakland, including limited revenue opportunities.

Forbes projects that the Raiders will generate $244 million in revenue in 2014. The Cowboys and Texans, for example, are projected to generate $560 million and $339 million, respectively, this year.

One of the challenges in Oakland is that the Raiders have to share their stadium, O.co Coliseum, as well as their concessions revenue, with the A’s.

Furthermore, the Raiders have to share the Bay Area market with the San Francisco 49ers, ranked No. 9 on Forbes’ latest NFL team valuaton list.

Davis is so frustrated with the situation in Oakland that he is actively exploring stadium options outside of Northern California. The team’s current lease expires at the end of this season.

Former San Antonio Mayor Henry Cisneros met with Davis in Oakland, setting the stage for a series of talks between the owner and a number of local leaders in San Antonio last month about the potential relocation of the Raiders to the Alamo City.

I asked Cisneros if he believes the Raiders could generate more revenue and if Davis could raise the value of his franchise with a move to San Antonio. His response: “Yes, I do.”

The Raiders could move into the 65,000-seat Alamodome, which does not have a Major League Baseball tenant taking up venue dates and concessions revenue. Davis and other Raiders representatives toured the downtown stadium while in San Antonio.

“When we walked into the dome, which was set up for football, we entered from the ground level. It was stunning to see the scale of the building, the quality of the building and the investments that have been made,” Cisneros says.

“Every member of the team was impressed,” adds Cisneros about Raiders officials’ reaction to the Alamodome. “When you actually see the facility and what is possible there, it’s nothing short of amazing.”

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/blog/2014/08/raiders-could-enjoy-greater-financial-success-in.html

[benefactor]

https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1382901577/6266047.gif

Raiders pls

[xmas1997]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24693032/report-raiders-getting-closer-to-stadium-deal-in-oakland


Report: Raiders getting closer to stadium deal in Oakland
By John Breech | CBSSports.com
September 3, 2014 1:24 pm ET

The Raiders don't have a stadium deal in Oakland yet, but apparently they're getting close. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, the development team for the Oakland mayor's office has worked out a deal that would give the Raiders free land in Oakland to build the stadium on.

Under the proposed deal, taxpayers would be on the hook for $120 million. However, that money wouldn't go towards the new stadium; it would go toward paying off money still owed on O.co Coliseum, where the Raiders and baseball's Athletics currently play.

Taxpayers wouldn't be paying for any part of the actual stadium, which will cost somewhere between $900 million and $1.2 billion.

However, not all the 'i's and lower-case 'j's have been dotted in this deal yet. As of right now, it's not clear how the financially strapped city of Oakland would raise the $120 million.

"That's a great question that we will probably not say anything about," a spokesman for the Mayor's office told the Chronicle on Tuesday.

So that seems to be an issue. There could also be an issue with the Athletics.

The A's recently signed a 10-year lease in Oakland and a new stadium for the Raiders could potentially involve the city needing to tear down O.co., where the A's currently play. Obviously, the A's would need a place to play if their stadium is torn down.

Then there's also the issue of Raiders owner Mark Davis, who would have to sign off on any deal. Back in July, Davis visited San Antonio. The Raiders owner is also believed to have one eye looking toward Los Angeles.

However, Davis has repeatedly said he wants to keep the team in Oakland. Although Davis did say in February that the city was on its 'last chance' to keep the Raiders.

The Raiders lease at O.co expires after the 2014 season, at which point the team is free to move wherever it can find the best deal.

[spurraider21]

what about isis?

[baseline bum]

what about isis?

I hope they don't relocate to San Antonio tbh

[Biernutz]

It's not a done deal as California voters are loathe to tax themselves to pay for sports stadiums.

[silverblk mystix]

looks like Tesla is not coming either lol

[Brazil]

what about isis?

stop talking and do something about it god damn

[xmas1997]

I think they are figuring a way to stay in Oakland tbqh.

Like I already said, it would be akin to a miracle for them to relocate to San Antonio.

[Blake]

what about isis?

[xmas1997]

You are still bitching at me about ISIS instead of doing something positive about it, like I already did.

Are you that retarded that I have to post the phone number for you to call?

If not, then call your congressman like I did.

And quit your bitching.

Bitching isn't going to get you anything.

[Das Texan]

Sounds like a great use of taxpayer funds.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't post full EN articles, dumbass.

[xmas1997]

Just because the Raiders and Oakland have worked out ‘basic terms’ of a new stadium deal doesn’t mean a new stadium will happen
By Matt Bonesteel September 3 at 11:02 AM
(Associated Press)

The San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that the Oakland Raiders and the city of Oakland have agreed to the “basic terms” of a deal to build the NFL team a new stadium, which is expected cost between $900 million and $1.2 billion. Under the terms of the prospective deal, the city would give the franchise the land to build the stadium, pay for infrastructure improvements on the land and continue to pay off the $120 million still owed for the expansion of the 48-year-old Coliseum, which helped lure the Raiders back to Oakland from Los Angeles in 1995.

Taxpayers wouldn’t pay for construction of the stadium itself, to be located at a sports, housing and retail complex called Coliseum City. That money would come from “revenue generated by the project, the NFL and other private sources,” the Chronicle reports.

That news is laid out in the first three paragraphs of the Chronicle’s story. The ensuing paragraphs are filled with people casting doubt about whether it’s actually possible. Here’s a look at all the issues such a plan faces.

1.) Raiders owner Mark Davis has been actively looking to move the team.


2.) The city of Oakland doesn’t have a plan in place to pay the $120 million still owed on the current stadium.


3.) The old Coliseum would be demolished. So where would the Oakland A’s play?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/09/03/just-because-the-raiders-and-oakland-have-worked-out-basic-terms-of-a-new-stadium-deal-doesnt-mean-a-new-stadium-will-happen/

[anakha]

Although someone found this article:

http://m.mysanantonio.com/sports/pro-sports/article/Raiders-deal-in-SA-not-dead-yet-5731974.php

<snip>



As in the other thread, please edit this post to take out the full article. Leave behind the intro paragraphs if you want.

[xmas1997]

If anyone wants the full article just follow the link.

[T Park]

It's not a done deal as California voters are loathe to tax themselves to pay for sports stadiums.

They already tax the living shit out of themselves as it is.

[T Park]

Sounds like a great use of taxpayer funds.

Eh, i can think of worse.

[Das Texan]

Eh, i can think of worse.


you are right, we could have just lit it all on fire instead.

[xmas1997]

If I'm not mistaken they have the earthquake aftermath to deal with now too.

[Blake]

If I'm not mistaken they have the earthquake aftermath to deal with now too.

and then there's ISIS

[xmas1997]

and then there's ISIS

So now you want to join your troll gang sucking off the other trolls on here some more as well as derail YOUR thread about the Raiders.

If ISIS is so important to you, then do something constructive such as what I did, contact your congressman, plus ISIS has it's own thread, retard.

But you are too afraid to do that just like you are too afraid to go to a GTG.

Confirmed pussy troll.

:lmao

[Blake]

What exactly did you say to the congressman?

Did it help?

If not, what's your next move?

[ChumpDumper]

Now xmas doesn't want to talk about ISIS anymore.

Make up your mind.

[xmas1997]

What exactly did you say to the congressman?

Did it help?

If not, what's your next move?

Wrong thread.

I'll answer in the ISIS thread if you ask there.

[Blake]

Wrong thread.

I'll answer in the ISIS thread if you ask there.

What are you doing here in this thread while Isis is out there?

[baseline bum]

and then there's ISIS

:lmao

[Brazil]

what about isis?

xmas:

http://i.imgur.com/tqRzY.gif

[spurraider21]

xmas:

http://i.imgur.com/tqRzY.gif
i pray to the Lord that xmas can find the path he has set for him

[xmas1997]

What are you doing here in this thread while Isis is out there?

Are you totally dense and obtuse?

Then shut the fuck up if you can't take directions, asswipe!

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Well are we supposed to care about Isis to the exclusion of other topics or not?

[DJR210]

xmas1997, do you post over on the ISIS boards?

[xmas1997]

San Antonio still hopes to bring Raiders to town
Photo: Tony Avelar/AP by SI Wire
Posted: Thu Sep. 4, 2014

The city of San Antonio still hopes to lure the Oakland Raiders to town, and city officials reportedly say they are "still in conversations” with the franchise.

The San Francisco Chronicle reported Wednesday that a new stadium deal is in place for the Raiders that would give the team land and allow for taxpayers to pay off a $120 million debt still owed for renovations.

San Antonio city manager Sheryl Sculley told the San Antonio Express-News that Raiders officials will be in town and plan to attend the UTSA game at the Alamodome.

"I'm not surprised that someone on the council (in Oakland) might make a proposal to them, but what I read in the article, it appeared that there hadn't been any discussion by the council, approval by the council, and certainly not approval by the Raiders,” Sculley said to the San Antonio Express-News.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/04/san-antonio-oakland-raiders-hope-relocation

[gameFACE]

If SA gets the Raiders.......
Wait. No. I mean - if SA gets the Chargers........
Wait. No. I mean - if SA gets the Bills........
Wait. No. I mean - if SA gets the Saints........
Wait. No. I mean - if SA gets the Marlins........
Wait. No. I mean - if SA gets the Expos........

Wait. No. I mean - If SA gets another pro team, sure yeah, I'll support them.

[xmas1997]

If SA gets the Raiders.......
Wait. No. I mean - if SA gets the Chargers........
Wait. No. I mean - if SA gets the Bills........
Wait. No. I mean - if SA gets the Saints........
Wait. No. I mean - if SA gets the Marlins........
Wait. No. I mean - if SA gets the Expos........

Wait. No. I mean - If SA gets another pro team, sure yeah, I'll support them.

You forgot the Athletics too. :lol

I know how you feel.

[xmas1997]

Raiders still eyeing San Antonio; team officials scope out Alamodome
By John Breech | CBSSports.com
September 5, 2014 4:52 pm ET

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24695953/raiders-still-eyeing-san-antonio-team-officials-scope-out-alamodome

Apparently, the Raiders' visit to San Antonio in July wasn't just a one-time fling. Team officials were in San Antonio on Thursday to take in a college football game at the Alamodome and the group of Raiders representatives came away "very impressed," according to the San Antonio Express-News.

The visit to San Antonio by the Raiders raises new questions about a possible new stadium deal in Oakland. Earlier this week, a representative for the Oakland mayor's office said a deal had been worked out that would give the Raiders free land in Oakland on which to build a stadium.

Under that proposed deal, taxpayers would be on the hook for $120 million of the costs in Oakland. However, that money wouldn't go toward the new stadium; it would go toward paying off money still owed on O.co Coliseum, where the Raiders and baseball's Athletics currently play.

However, the city of Oakland shouldn't be cheering yet because the Raiders officials who were at the Alamodome on Thursday said there's currently "no new deal in Oakland."

Raiders officials were in San Antonio to watch the University of Texas at San Antonio host Arizona.

Sheryl Sculley, the city manager of San Antonio, told the News-Express that her city is "still in conversations" with the Raiders.

"I'm not surprised that someone on the council [in Oakland] might make a proposal to them, but what I read in the article, it appeared that there hadn't been any discussion by the council, approval by the council, and certainly not approval by the Raiders," Sculley said.

San Antonio city councilman Ron Nirenberg said he thinks his city is still in play to land the team.

"It appears to be a textbook response from a community that is under fire for not getting their stadium situation figured out," Nirenberg said. "Until we are told that San Antonio is no longer an option for the Raiders, I believe we still have to line up all the elements that would make an NFL deal possible here."

The worst possible scenario for the Raiders would be to announce a move before the 2014 season is over. That would put the team in a lame-duck situation and fans would likely be reluctant to support a team that won't be around in 2015.

Raiders owner Mark Davis has repeatedly said he wants to keep the team in Oakland, although he seems more than happy to keep flirting with other cities. Davis did say in February that Oakland was on its "last chance" to keep the Raiders.

The Raiders' lease at O.co expires after the 2014 season, at which point the team is free to move wherever it can find the best deal.

[xmas1997]

Raiders talk irks some UTSA fans
By Tom Orsborn : September 4, 2014 : Updated: September 5, 2014 9:24am

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/utsa/article/Raiders-talk-irks-some-UTSA-fans-5735086.php

SAN ANTONIO — The presence of Oakland Raiders officials at UTSA's showcase game Thursday night with the Arizona Wildcats did not sit well with some Roadrunners fans.

As part of the NFL team's exploration of San Antonio as a relocation option, Raiders owner Mark Davis sent Larry Delsen, a business manager and CPA, and Mark Shearer, the club's director of business development, to see the Alamodome in action. City manager Sheryl Sculley broke the news of the visit in an interview Wednesday with the San Antonio Express-News.

“(Delsen and Shearer were) observing game-day operations at the Alamodome and UTSA tailgating,” said Michael Sawaya, director of the City's Convention, Sports & Entertainment Facilities department. “The tailgating experience is very important to (Davis).”

Richard Perez, president and CEO of the San Antonio Chamber of Commerce, left the dome with a wide smile.

[spurraider21]

Such insignificant news in time of global crISIS

[xmas1997]

Such insignificant news in time of global crISIS

Not to worry, like one reporter said they are not liable to make an announcement of relocation before their last home game in Oakland on Dec.21st for fear of becoming a lame duck team thus causing a loss at the ticket office box.

[T Park]

you are right, we could have just lit it all on fire instead.

No but whatever.