Who was the better player in the playoffs between Manu and Kawhi?

[dabom]

Who was the better player in the playoffs between Manu and Kawhi?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApkDcrSJfRc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAOUYEBPLmQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHItN4BS20c

[dabom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyZnDK-L1xY

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rxQE7mUt4M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcS83Mj2uhI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zeHJMCiN60

Playoff Stats:
Kawhi: 14 ppg, 7 rpg, 2 apg, 2 spg, 1 bpg 32 mpg
Manu: 15 ppg, 3 rpg, 4 apg, 2 spg 25 mpg

Shooting %:
Kawhi: 45/41/74
Manu: 44/39/86

[dabom]

You just forgot that Kawhi defends their best players. Manu is a liability on defense at this point.

[RD2191]

Who won Finals MVP? Thank you. Was this thread even necessary?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Who won Finals MVP? Thank you. Was this thread even necessary?

Would that have happened if this didn't:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FaPc-1wcCM

[dabom]

Who won Finals MVP? Thank you. Was this thread even necessary?

Someone people still think Manu played better than Kawhi. :bang

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

You just forgot that Kawhi defends their best players. Manu is a liability on defense at this point.

Not like he had the most steals in the playoffs for us, right? :wow

[BillMc]

We don't win the title without both of them on the team and playing well.

[Galileo]

Galileo's ratings:

Manu = +470
Kawhi = +425

[ElNono]

You just forgot that Kawhi defends their best players. Manu is a liability on defense at this point.

Manu was actually pretty good on that end. His DWS match Green, he tied #3 in defensive rating with Tiago, he was #2 in steals, #5 in rebounds...

[Clipper Nation]

Not like he had the most steals in the playoffs for us, right? :wow
:lol Thinking steals alone are indicative of good defense

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol Thinking steals alone are indicative of good defense

:lol thinking you could be a defensive liability with the most steals on the team

[ElNono]

Personally, I think it's close. Manu started with a bang, he carried us in the Dallas series, was poor against Portland, then picked it up against OKC and the Finals.
Kawhi started pretty quiet, had a solid series against Portland, had his moments against OKC, and he took over after game 3+ in the Finals...

Alongside Tim, I have them as the top 3 in these playoffs... with Boris, Danny and Tiago not that far below... this was truly a team effort.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol thinking you could be a defensive liability with the most steals on the team
A player who pads steals by constantly gambling in the passing lanes but can't legitimately guard anyone is a liability.... not saying Manu is that type of player, but no, getting a lot of steals does not necessarily eliminate you from liability status....

[ElNono]

A player who pads steals by constantly gambling in the passing lanes but can't legitimately guard anyone is a liability.... not saying Manu is that type of player, but no, getting a lot of steals does not necessarily eliminate you from liability status....

I don't disagree with this, but I don't think it applies to the Spurs. Pop will sit your ass down if you start gambling like that...

[dabom]

I don't disagree with this, but I don't think it applies to the Spurs. Pop will sit your ass down if you start gambling like that...

Except Manu. I do see manu gamble a lot on defense too and get burned.

[RD2191]

:lolRetarded, Kawhi is the team on both ends of the floor. I'm not a Manu hater but tf outta here with this garbage.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lolRetarded, Kawhi is the team on both ends of the floor. I'm not a Manu hater but tf outta here with this garbage.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/820/908/hi-res-725550fee52232557445604c589a5f0e_crop_north.jpg?w= 630&h=420&q=75

Seriously? :lol just exit this thread

[RD2191]

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/820/908/hi-res-725550fee52232557445604c589a5f0e_crop_north.jpg?w= 630&h=420&q=75
Tim Duncan is also better than Manu, what do you want?

[dabom]

Tim Duncan is also better than Manu, what do you want?

:lmao

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Tim Duncan is also better than Manu, what do you want?

Go kill yourself saying Kawhi is our team on both sides.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmao

Your meltdown is delicious.

[ElNono]

Except Manu. I do see manu gamble a lot on defense too and get burned.

Not to the extent of being a liability... Pop has sit his ass down the rare occasions it has come to that...

[dabom]

Your meltdown is delicious.

30mins and Kawhi is down 1. I put it up for 7 days. :rollin

[ElNono]

Tim Duncan is also better than Manu, what do you want?

How's your back, tbh?

[dabom]

Not to the extent of being a liability... Pop has sit his ass down the rare occasions it has come to that...

When Manu played like chit last year, I didn't see him on the bench. :nope

[RD2191]

Go kill yourself saying Kawhi is our team on both sides.
tf outta here fucking faggot. Ever get tired of getting shat on? How far did the team go before Kawhi? Yeah, that's right getting bounced in the 1st round and shit. Kawhi is the team, queer.

[dabom]

Tied now. :lmao

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

How's your back, tbh?

Remember when he said we were going to lose to Dallas in 6?

[ElNono]

So we're clear, we're discussing who are #2 and #3 players in the last playoffs, after Tim, correct?

:lol

[RD2191]

How's your back, tbh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiFNrO33bSo

[Clipper Nation]

Tied now. :lmao
That was me :lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

tf outta here fucking faggot. Ever get tired of getting shat on? How far did the team go before Kawhi? Yeah, that's right getting bounced in the 1st round and shit. Kawhi is the team, queer.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Spurs-trophies20090312.jpg


:lmao

[dabom]

tf outta here fucking faggot. Ever get tired of getting shat on? How far did the team go before Kawhi? Yeah, that's right getting bounced in the 1st round and shit. Kawhi is the team, queer.

Don't we have an .800 record with Kawhi on the starting line up? :lol

[RD2191]

Remember when he said we were going to lose to Dallas in 6?
Remember when you couldn't decide between keeping your place or getting rid of your cats? ROFL

[ElNono]

Remember when he said we were going to lose to Dallas in 6?

That's his schtick... Rob is a brotha from another motha, tbh

[dabom]

That was me :lol

:toast

[RD2191]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Spurs-trophies20090312.jpg


:lmao
Oh wow, Prime Tim and Manu. LOL. I think those cats are fucking with your head.

[ElNono]

Rob and me go way back... should to shoulder, etc, etc, etc...

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

That's his schtick... Rob is a brotha from another motha, tbh

His schtick is being an emo faggot? Alright got it.

Nothing I already didn't know.

[RD2191]

Today I called maintenance to fix my closet door that continued to fall off in my shitty apartment. In doing so, I accidentally slipped out that I had two pet cats. I woke up from a nap to see that I received a default on my lease stating I need to get rid of my cats or else I would receive a fee.

This apartment has been horrible. It's nice and right by campus, however, there has been multiple issues with the apartment. I also have no interest in removing my cats from the premises. I can pay a fee of $300 and keep ONE cat, but that seems not likely because these two cats are related and they cannot be separated.

I am pondering not paying the fine and getting evicted. I am a college student; therefore I am broke and cannot afford to pay all these stupid ass fees and continue paying rent. I am sure I'm not the only one that has been through this, so I need advice on the best possible option and/or what I should do or if I'm not making the 'smart' decision.

If you guys need any more information, I will be happy to give it to you.:wakeup

[RD2191]

Rob and me go way back... should to shoulder, etc, etc, etc...
:sombrero:

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:wakeup

Remember when this pendejo started actually trying to fight people over the internet?

How do you get punked online? :lmao

[dabom]

:wakeup

:lmao

[RD2191]

Remember when this pendejo started actually trying to fight people over the internet?

How do you get punked online? :lmao
Yeah son, too retarded to realize I was trolling. LOL.

:lolShitty apartment.
:lolShitty life.
:lolShitty cats.

[HI-FI]

I'll take Kawhi. Manu was really good in these playoffs, but Kawhi was the FInals MVP for a reason, against the best player on the planet, and didn't choke last year's Finals like a certain Argentine.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:cry stop making fun of me
:cry I'll meet you somewhere benefactor :cry
:cry stop calling me an internet tough guy
:cry yeah meet me behind whataburger :lmao :lmao :lmao.

:lmao meet me behind whataburger

[RD2191]

:lmao meet me behind whataburger
:cat

[Splits]

So we're clear, we're discussing who are #2 and #3 players in the last playoffs, after Tim, correct?

:lol

Hard to argue otherwise.

As important and incredible as Gino was, I've gotta give the nod to Kawhi mainly because he was on the floor 25% more minutes.

[RD2191]

I enjoy trolling Manu fans tbh. ElNono never takes the bait though cuz he's too gangsta for that. Both Kawhi and Manu did great jobs during the Finals but I'll give the slight edge to Kawhi.

[spurraider21]

i would say in the playoffs they were literally 2A and 2B, but i'll give Kawhi the nod because he took control of the finals

[spurraider21]

Remember when you couldn't decide between keeping your place or getting rid of your cats? ROFL
they're not his cats...

they're not his girlfriend's cats...

they're his girlfriend's SISTER's cats :lmao

[Daniel Sedin]

Galileo's ratings:

Manu = +470
Kawhi = +425

Very close indeed.

I have to give the edge to Manu. That being said I'm a bit biased, I thought Manu gave the spark plug to get us there throughout the finals.

This is talking about the whole playoffs right? Because Kawhi turned it on in the finals. Manu/Tim carried us through the first 3 rounds with Parker going AWOL.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

they're not his cats...

they're not his girlfriend's cats...

they're his girlfriend's SISTER's cats :lmao

No wonder you got declined into school. Reading comprehension is the #1 rule of becoming a lawyer.

[RD2191]

they're not his cats...

they're not his girlfriend's cats...

they're his girlfriend's SISTER's cats :lmao
:lmaoDamn, I missed that part. That's another level of loser.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmaoDamn, I missed that part. That's another level of loser.

Of course you did. Because you're a pendejo that speaks only 1.5 languages, so why would I expect you to be able to read when you're not in your ESL class or being offered a hamburger from Mickey D's?

[spurraider21]

No wonder you got declined into school. Reading comprehension is the #1 rule of becoming a lawyer.
i'm starting on monday you tard :lol

[dabom]

they're not his cats...

they're not his girlfriend's cats...

they're his girlfriend's SISTER's cats :lmao

WOW

[RD2191]

i'm starting on monday you tard :lol
Lol @ no lyfe scrub calling you out on your intelligence. Dude is asking for it.

[RD2191]

Of course you did. Because you're a pendejo that speaks only 1.5 languages, so why would I expect you to be able to read when you're not in your ESL class or being offered a hamburger from Mickey D's?
que?

[Clipper Nation]

they're not his cats...

they're not his girlfriend's cats...

they're his girlfriend's SISTER's cats :lmao
Not to mention his closet door breaking down is what prompted the infamous cat thread :lol

[spurraider21]

No wonder you got declined into school. Reading comprehension is the #1 rule of becoming a lawyer.


And fuck all you cat haters. Cats are the fucking shit homie. We adopted them from my girls sister who was having a baby so she had to get rid of them

:lol another way of saying she dumped the cats on you

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol another way of saying she dumped the cats on you

Na. I love my cats. My cats are still the fucking shit. I have a pet dog too. But most of all, I'm a Conservative.

Which automatically means I'm greater than you :P

At least you read the fine print before making an assumption, rookie.

[spurraider21]

Na. I love my cats. My cats are still the fucking shit. I have a pet dog too. But most of all, I'm a Conservative.

Which automatically means I'm greater than you :P

At least you read the fine print before making assumption, rookie.
a) you love your girlfriend's sister's cats that got dumped on you
b) you mock my reading comprehension, call it the #1 rule of becoming a layer, yet you gave up on going to law school for fucking physical therapy
c) you still play the "you're a liberal" bullshit which is just wrong
d) you seriously used :P when talking to another guy

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

a) you love your girlfriend's sister's cats that got dumped on you
b) you mock my reading comprehension, call it the #1 rule of becoming a layer, yet you gave up on going to law school for fucking physical therapy
c) you still play the "you're a liberal" bullshit which is just wrong
d) you seriously used :P when talking to another guy

a) yep (:lol dumped)
b) physical therapists make more money
c) you tried to get into a school widely known for being democratic
d) still get more pussy than you.

[RD2191]

a) yep (:lol dumped)
b) physical therapists make more money
c) you tried to get into a school widely known for being democratic
d) still get more pussy than you.
cats

[HI-FI]

Philo isn't that liberal, but once he is ensconced in the California legal system, working the back channels for Armenians and entertainment allies, he'll become a Democrat :depressed.

[spurraider21]

a) yep (:lol dumped)
b) physical therapists make more money
c) you tried to get into a school widely known for being democratic
d) still get more pussy than you.
a) glad we're in agreement
b)

Average Lawyer Pay vs. All Social Services Jobs. Lawyers make an average annual salary of $130,880, which is substantially more than any other occupation on our list of Best Social Service Jobs. In 2012, paralegals earned an annual salary of $50,220.





With an average salary of $81,110 in 2012, physical therapists are well paid for their work. Physical therapists generally earn more than workers in many other health care jobs, including physical therapist assistants ($52,320), occupational therapists ($76,400) and speech language pathologists ($72,730).

:lol political science to physical therapy

c) i applied to more than 1 school, and if some of the best law schools in the country have liberal slants, so be it. thats like saying someone is a liberal for applying to harvard
d) the most pussy you have are those fucking cats you live with

[Clipper Nation]

cats
:lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

a) glad we're in agreement
b)

Average Lawyer Pay vs. All Social Services Jobs. Lawyers make an average annual salary of $130,880, which is substantially more than any other occupation on our list of Best Social Service Jobs. In 2012, paralegals earned an annual salary of $50,220.

With an average salary of $81,110 in 2012, physical therapists are well paid for their work. Physical therapists generally earn more than workers in many other health care jobs, including physical therapist assistants ($52,320), occupational therapists ($76,400) and speech language pathologists ($72,730).




:lol political science to physical therapy

c) i applied to more than 1 school, and if some of the best law schools in the country have liberal slants, so be it. thats like saying someone is a liberal for applying to harvard
d) the most pussy you have are those fucking cats you live with

Lawyers also have way more loans they have to pay off, along with more schooling. I am going to medical school at a top University, whereas you had to settle to a liberal college.

Getting a Phy Therapy degree at a top school easily guarantees me a 6 figure paycheck within my first three years.

So yes :lol poly science to phy ther

[spurraider21]

Philo isn't that liberal, but once he is ensconced in the California legal system, working the back channels for Armenians and entertainment allies, he'll become a Democrat :depressed.
if the raiders move to san antonio too i'm lookin at that texas bar :lol

although it would be backwards as fuck to study for the texas bar after learning law in Cali

[dabom]

a) glad we're in agreement
b)

Average Lawyer Pay vs. All Social Services Jobs. Lawyers make an average annual salary of $130,880, which is substantially more than any other occupation on our list of Best Social Service Jobs. In 2012, paralegals earned an annual salary of $50,220.





With an average salary of $81,110 in 2012, physical therapists are well paid for their work. Physical therapists generally earn more than workers in many other health care jobs, including physical therapist assistants ($52,320), occupational therapists ($76,400) and speech language pathologists ($72,730).

:lol political science to physical therapy

c) i applied to more than 1 school, and if some of the best law schools in the country have liberal slants, so be it. thats like saying someone is a liberal for applying to harvard
d) the most pussy you have are those fucking cats you live with


Political science is a poverty degree. Getting my CE degree in 2 weeks. :hat

[Clipper Nation]

Lawyers also have way more loans they have to pay off, along with more schooling. I am going to medical school at a top University, whereas you had to settle to a liberal college.

Getting a Phy Therapy degree at a top school easily guarantees me a 6 figure paycheck within my first three years.

So yes :lol poly science to phy ther
In reality, you'll be pulling minimum wage at McDonald's :lol

[HI-FI]

if the raiders move to san antonio too i'm lookin at that texas bar :lol

although it would be backwards as fuck to study for the texas bar after learning law in Cali

damn everyone is moving to Texas. once the illegals take over like CA, same shit will ensue imo.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

i'm starting on monday you tard :lol

Yeah I hope it's T14 for your sake :lmao

[spurraider21]

I am going to medical school at a top University
oh and which school is this? you've already gotten in? you were talking about taking the GRE and that was just this May... i doubt you've gotten applications in, and UNC doesnt do early decision for Physical therapy

whereas you had to settle to a liberal college.
you don't even know where i'm going to school, and its far from a liberal institution

[HI-FI]

^Pepperdine Univ.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Lawyers also have way more loans they have to pay off, along with more schooling. I am going to medical school at a top University, whereas you had to settle to a liberal college.

Getting a Phy Therapy degree at a top school easily guarantees me a 6 figure paycheck within my first three years.

So yes :lol poly science to phy ther

Physical therapy school is not medical school.

[spurraider21]

^Pepperdine Univ.
yep. thank god i didnt go there for undergrad. they're bible thumpers... buddy of mine went there for his bachelors and he was required to take theology courses :lol

[ElNono]

you don't even know where i'm going to school, and its far from a liberal institution

Rob and I went to DeVry, tbh... looking at us you can tell it's a top notch school...

[spurraider21]

Rob and I went to DeVry, tbh... looking at us you can tell it's a top notch school...
better than UTSA :tu

[dabom]

better than UTSA :tu

What degree do you have again?

[HI-FI]

yep. thank god i didnt go there for undergrad. they're bible thumpers... buddy of mine went there for his bachelors and he was required to take theology courses :lol
damn, sometimes i amaze myself. i heard it's a great school, and i respect they stand for something in an area known for plastic surgery and phoniness. agree with you on the forced theology classes, that's too much for me. hopefully you don't try strangling the blonde Bible bimbos with your swarthy hands. :depressed

[RD2191]

Rob and I went to DeVry, tbh... looking at us you can tell it's a top notch school...
:lol

[spurraider21]

What degree do you have again?
BS Biochem from ucla

[jARS mEsH sEt]

BS Biochem from ucla

What do you want with a law degree then? Patent law?

[dabom]

BS Biochem from ucla

Did you pass your FE? Do you even need one for that?

[spurraider21]

What do you want with a law degree then? Patent law?
its what im thinking... it gave me more flexibility at the time in case i wanted to try med/pharm

Did you pass your FE? Do you even need one for that?
dont need it

[dabom]

Did you pass your FE? Do you even need one for that?

I passed the FE the first time, because it is needed for civil engineers.
The school you go to doesn't matter as much as passing the FE to be EITs.

[dabom]

UTSA engineering program is ABET accredited. The school you're from doesn't matter much for engineers.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

its what im thinking... it gave me more flexibility at the time in case i wanted to try med/pharm

dont need it

Biochem is a fine field for patent law. It's not the best but it's probably top 3 or top 4 so it's definitely viable. However, I can tell you right now you won't get anywhere near patent law with just a B.S. You really need an M.S. My dad works in patent law, although he's a PhD and he works more on the expert witness/consultant side of things so I have pretty good insight into the field.

Probably 70% of the patent lawyers my dad works with are J.D./M.S. engineering. The remaining 30% are J.D./B.S. It's not impossible to get in with a B.S. alone but I wouldn't recommend it.

[Prime Time]

Shooting %:
Kawhi: 45/41/74
Manu: 44/39/86
I'm confused. Where did you pull these shooting percentages from? Kawhi shot .510% while Manu shot .439%, an over 7 percent difference.

[dabom]

I'm confused. Where did you pull these shooting percentages from? Kawhi shot .510% while Manu shot .439%, an over 7 percent difference.

His ass

[100%duncan]

It says the playoffs so small edge to Manu. Its not like he was shit in the finals.

[spurraider21]

wtf is that kawhi shooting% :lol

kawhi's career low is 49 in the regular season and 50 in the playoffs

[100%duncan]

Remember when you couldn't decide between keeping your place or getting rid of your cats? ROFL

:lmao

[dabom]

This poll is tied. :rollin

[100%duncan]

cats

:lmao

[100%duncan]

This poll is tied. :rollin
Hey if you expect everyone to have the same opinion there wont be any point of having a poll. Dumbass

[dabom]

Hey if you expect everyone to have the same opinion there wont be any point of having a poll. Dumbass

Shutup fagot!

[cd021]

A player who pads steals by constantly gambling in the passing lanes but can't legitimately guard anyone is a liability.... not saying Manu is that type of player, but no, getting a lot of steals does not necessarily eliminate you from liability status....

Its not like he's A.I he gambles and often comes up with steals and deflections that lead to turnovers. He has been particularly good, over the course of his career, of coming up with crucial defensive plays late in games.

He isn't great defensively anymore but was far from a liability this postseason.

[cd021]

I'll take Kawhi. Manu was really good in these playoffs, but Kawhi was the FInals MVP for a reason, against the best player on the planet, and didn't choke last year's Finals like a certain Argentine.

Its not like Ginobili completely stunk up the '13 finals. His game 5 was astounding (35 years old, 30 pts, 10 assists) and showed up in game 7 with 18pts, and 5 assists.


Kawhi did miss a free throw and also missed a board late in game 6. Its really surprising how people handle Kawhi with kid gloves.


Both played very well this postseason but Ginobili was probably better this postseason.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Its not like Ginobili completely stunk up the '13 finals. His game 5 was astounding (35 years old, 30 pts, 10 assists) and showed up in game 7 with 18pts, and 5 assists.


Kawhi did miss a free throw and also missed a board late in game 6. Its really surprising how people handle Kawhi with kid gloves.


Both played very well this postseason but Ginobili was probably better this postseason.

Probably has something to do with the fact that he actually is a kid.

[cheguevara]

Who won Finals MVP? Thank you. Was this thread even necessary?

[kaji157]

I am gonna go with Manu as Playoffs MVP if there is sucha thing, which he also was in 2005 and Tim Duncan was in 2007.
Manu only dissapeared against Portland which was by far our easiest series, but was the best player against Dallas which was the hardest.
Leonard was also pretty consistent, but given that Manu took off a couple of nights against Portland (again the easiest matchup) Leonards wasnt also very sharp in some games against OKC and Miami.

[DAF86]

Tied now. :lmao

The fuck are you laughing at? Shit was close so is only reasonable for the poll to be close too. Fuck, didn't you start the thread? Why would you start it if you don't think it's a close argument? :lol

[spurraider21]

Its not like Ginobili completely stunk up the '13 finals. His game 5 was astounding (35 years old, 30 pts, 10 assists) and showed up in game 7 with 18pts, and 5 assists.


Kawhi did miss a free throw and also missed a board late in game 6. Its really surprising how people handle Kawhi with kid gloves.


Both played very well this postseason but Ginobili was probably better this postseason.
manu didn't drop 30 in that game 5. he wasn't even our leading scorer in that game (it was Parker). although to be fair that was Manu's game, but at least get the facts straight. he scored 24. also, being 35 years old isn't a stat. well, it technically is, but its not a basketball stat :lol

[ElNono]

The fuck are you laughing at? Shit was close so is only reasonable for the poll to be close too. Fuck, didn't you start the thread? Why would you start it if you don't think it's a close argument? :lol

I disagreed with him that Kawhi was the 2nd best Spur in these playoffs in another thread (albeit I had Kawhi at #3, and it was certainly close)...

Apparently, I was "doing a disservice" to Leonard by disagreeing :lol

These threads never go anywhere anyways... something you learn over time here is that ST is hardly representative of the overall Spurs fanbase...

[cd021]

manu didn't drop 30 in that game 5. he wasn't even our leading scorer in that game (it was Parker). although to be fair that was Manu's game, but at least get the facts straight. he scored 24. also, being 35 years old isn't a stat. well, it technically is, but its not a basketball stat :lol

My mistake, it was 24. 35 year old SG scoring 24 pts and 10 assists in the Fnals is still pretty impressive.

[diego]

finals mvp is a dumb award because conference imbalance makes it so that the "real" finals are the conference finals or even before. In the odd year that isnt true, still the award should be for the whole playoffs because every series counts. In that case, theres no question neither tony, manu or kawhi deserved it because its always tim that carries the frontcourt and thats what wins ball games. Its quite different to win it as the guy who was the best player night in and night out, and it kind of sucks that timmy doesnt have those 2 on his resume when he was the guy making the most important plays throughout the run.


furthermore, think of it this way- who had a better playoffs manu 05, tony 07, or leonard 14? Leonard had a great finals but he really only had 3 great games and was uncharacteristically hot from 3. Its easy to forget that dallas took us to 7 in large part because he was lost on both ends for a large part of the series. bottomline having the finals mvp doesnt automatically make a player the teams best player.

Kawhi is a kid and in that sense he has great potential. But I think people are crazy if they think this team will be able to contend without tim and manu. Replacing them is practically impossible, unless leonard is going to make pull up 3s regularly which I dont think is a realistic expectation.

Manu had a better overall playoffs. All the big games in the playoffs, the game 1s and game5s, manu made big plays. his series against portland was poor stats wise he barely played against them, but when the spurs went down to the mavs and faced their biggest threats okc and miami he was great, on a broken leg to boot. Leonard had an amazing 3 games in the finals and made big plays vs okc, was very good against a harmless portland team, but struggled quite a bit against dallas (almost had as many TO against dallas as in the other 3 rounds, 13 to 16).

[Mikeanaro]

It was Manu but KAWHI IS LOOKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[spurraider21]

finals mvp is a dumb award because conference imbalance makes it so that the "real" finals are the conference finals or even before. In the odd year that isnt true, still the award should be for the whole playoffs because every series counts. In that case, theres no question neither tony, manu or kawhi deserved it because its always tim that carries the frontcourt and thats what wins ball games. Its quite different to win it as the guy who was the best player night in and night out, and it kind of sucks that timmy doesnt have those 2 on his resume when he was the guy making the most important plays throughout the run.


furthermore, think of it this way- who had a better playoffs manu 05, tony 07, or leonard 14? Leonard had a great finals but he really only had 3 great games and was uncharacteristically hot from 3. Its easy to forget that dallas took us to 7 in large part because he was lost on both ends for a large part of the series. bottomline having the finals mvp doesnt automatically make a player the teams best player.

Kawhi is a kid and in that sense he has great potential. But I think people are crazy if they think this team will be able to contend without tim and manu. Replacing them is practically impossible, unless leonard is going to make pull up 3s regularly which I dont think is a realistic expectation.

Manu had a better overall playoffs. All the big games in the playoffs, the game 1s and game5s, manu made big plays. his series against portland was poor stats wise he barely played against them, but when the spurs went down to the mavs and faced their biggest threats okc and miami he was great, on a broken leg to boot. Leonard had an amazing 3 games in the finals and made big plays vs okc, was very good against a harmless portland team, but struggled quite a bit against dallas (almost had as many TO against dallas as in the other 3 rounds, 13 to 16).
whether or not its the most difficult series, it's the biggest stage

[ElNono]

,,,,,,,Peter Holt,,,,,you da MVP,,,,

[testies]

Put it like this ;

If we lost Manu before playoffs, are we champions now? If we lost Kawhi before playoffs, are we champions now?

I think the chance of us winning without Manu is inferior to that of Kawhi

If Kawhi plays well : he does good on defense and does things in the motion of offense

If Manu plays well : he passed well, penetrated well, envolved his teammates well, etc etc etc

Manu just carries that much more weight in the team.. so if he plays OK he still did way more things than a 10/10 Kawhi performance

[ginobilized]

Ginobili redeemed himself, could not have done more. He was definitely playing at his ceiling. And he had a broken leg....but so what.

Kawhi is emerging and who knows what his ceiling might be

These threads are funny. Remind me of 2nd grade conversations like who would win a fight between Batman and Superman? Gotta love humanity, though.

[ElNono]

Manu is better by nature. The guy is just a top (insert number) player who makes plays and carries immense weight on his shoulder

If we don't have Manu, we are not champions. If we don't have Kawhi, I give us a better chance..

I would disagree with that at this stage... I think we needed both, alongside Tim, Tiago, and a couple outliers like Diaw, Mills and Danny...

We're fortunate enough that we had the right pieces and everybody was clicking.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

I think it went:

Duncan >> Kawhi > Ginobili > Parker

Kawhi gets the edge because even though Ginobili probably outplayed him a bit on a minute-by-minute basis, he played 150 more minutes than Ginobili. Ginobili over Parker since Parker was pretty mediocre by his standards even though he had some good games sprinkled in there.

[RD2191]

Put it like this ;

If we lost Manu before playoffs, are we champions now? If we lost Kawhi before playoffs, are we champions now?

I think the chance of us winning without Manu is inferior to that of Kawhi

If Kawhi plays well : he does good on defense and does things in the motion of offense

If Manu plays well : he passed well, penetrated well, envolved his teammates well, etc etc etc

Manu just carries that much more weight in the team.. so if he plays OK he still did way more things than a 10/10 Kawhi performance
:lmao

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao

OMG

:lmao

You know that if no lyfe meow and testies are on your side, you're probably doing something wrong...

[024]

:lol Manu fans now jealous that Leonard is getting more attention. Next it will be:

"How come Leonard doesn't pass the ball to Manu?"
"Leonard hero balling again."
"Leonard is a choker."

[apalisoc_9]

25 votes for Manu
23 for kawhi

:lmao
:lmao
:lmao
:lmao

Stick to soccer manu voters...

[HI-FI]

this might be better to post on realgm or insidehoops. manutards have this site on lockdown.

[apalisoc_9]

Two STRAIGHT FINALS MVP...

according to Manutards, that's not enough to overpass manu in the all time list...

:lmao

[ElNono]

this might be better to post on realgm or insidehoops. manutards have this site on lockdown.

:lol there's been plenty of Gino hate round these here places, tbh... surprised about the poll result so far, even though it's anecdotal...

[spurraider21]

:lol there's been plenty of Gino hate round these here places, tbh... surprised about the poll result so far, even though it's anecdotal...
^post-Manu fan talkin

[ElNono]

^post-Manu fan talkin

I have a crush on the 2013-2014 Spurs... I'm actually thinking we might never see such a dominant team again. That includes every player. But what a treat when it's YOUR team delivering bitchslaps all across the league.

If that was the ride into the sunset for Tim, Manu, etc... well, thanks

[spurraider21]

I have a crush on the 2013-2014 Spurs... I'm actually thinking we might never see such a dominant team again. That includes every player. But what a treat when it's YOUR team delivering bitchslaps all across the league.

If that was the ride into the sunset for Tim, Manu, etc... well, thanks
Manu rookie season: 2003
ElNono join date: 2007

post-manu fan confirmed...

but seriously, i agree. while i was a fan for all the rings, my sports fandom has grown more and more intense as time goes on, so on a personal level i probably enjoyed this win more than the others, although being in LA i got an extra satisfaction in 03 when we dethroned the lakers too

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Two STRAIGHT FINALS MVP...

according to Manutards, that's not enough to overpass manu in the all time list...

:lmao

:lol the dude can't even create his own shot yet... calm down..

[ElNono]

Manu rookie season: 2003
ElNono join date: 2007

post-manu fan confirmed...

but seriously, i agree. while i was a fan for all the rings, my sports fandom has grown more and more intense as time goes on, so on a personal level i probably enjoyed this win more than the others, although being in LA i got an extra satisfaction in 03 when we dethroned the lakers too

This place opened in 2004, IIRC? I used to post at spursrep*rt before finding this cave... never looked back.

All the championships were amazing. I remember visiting my sister in Canada back in '03 when we were beating the Lakeshow. Had to go to a bar to catch the games.

But this team is special now. It's like we finally get to see what Pop put together after many years. Not only they curbstomped through teams, they did it playing gorgeous basketball.

I remember watching the first Summer League game a month ago, and it was ugly as fuck :lol

[spurraider21]

This place opened in 2004, IIRC? I used to post at spursrep*rt before finding this cave... never looked back.

All the championships were amazing. I remember visiting my sister in Canada back in '03 when we were beating the Lakeshow. Had to go to a bar to catch the games.

But this team is special now. It's like we finally get to see what Pop put together after many years. Not only they curbstomped through teams, they did it playing gorgeous basketball.

I remember watching the first Summer League game a month ago, and it was ugly as fuck :lol
Yeah... I'm not anticipating the Pop-Udoka transition to be a seamless one tbh :lol

[HI-FI]

^ racist

[Malik Hairston]

It's essentially a toss-up, tbh..

Statistically(advanced metrics), they're nearly identical..

Leonard's defense throughout the playoffs was great, but Ginobili was the primary offensive initiator for most of the playoffs, including the crucial games vs. OKC and Dallas..you could argue that those attributes negate each other..

Ginobili = Leonard = Duncan > Splitter = Green = Diaw > Mills >> Parker >>> Belinelli

[ElNono]

It's essentially a toss-up, tbh..

Statistically(advanced metrics), they're nearly identical..

Leonard's defense throughout the playoffs was great, but Ginobili was the primary offensive initiator for most of the playoffs, including the crucial games vs. OKC and Dallas..you could argue that those attributes negate each other..

Ginobili = Leonard = Duncan > Splitter = Green = Diaw > Mills >> Parker >>> Belinelli

Shout out to Baynes, he gave us a lift in a couple of games too...

[HI-FI]

I have a crush on the 2013-2014 Spurs... I'm actually thinking we might never see such a dominant team again. That includes every player. But what a treat when it's YOUR team delivering bitchslaps all across the league.

If that was the ride into the sunset for Tim, Manu, etc... well, thanks
even before Spurs rang, I said I appreciated/loved this team more than 10 years ago, when in their prime. It's possible I took some of it for granted, even TD said he did, especially since I was in a different headspace then. Going through highs and lows with same core over many years is a great thing, plus to see the team evolve into something totally new and yet retro, while ringing, doesn't hurt either.

[ElNono]

even before Spurs rang, I said I appreciated/loved this team more than 10 years ago, when in their prime. It's possible I took some of it for granted, even TD said he did, especially since I was in a different headspace then. Going through highs and lows with same core over many years is a great thing, plus to see the team evolve into something totally new and yet retro, while ringing, doesn't hurt either.

Last season was 10x more rewarding than 99, 03, 05 and 07 from a style/quality of basketball aspect overall, IMO. This team wasn't just one of the best, most dominant Spurs teams ever, but actually shattered playoffs and Finals records left and right... we're talking all-time stuff here...

I mean, I certainly loved the time when we had the best player in the game, from a bragging standpoint. Back then the complaint was the offense was "too one-dimensional" :lol

But this team was just such a joy to watch, and dominant... After the letdown of the Championship DVD, I'm archiving all the games and pre/post game shows.

[Uriel]

Offseason thread. Tbh.

[HI-FI]

Last season was 10x more rewarding than 99, 03, 05 and 07 from a style/quality of basketball aspect overall, IMO. This team wasn't just one of the best, most dominant Spurs teams ever, but actually shattered playoffs and Finals records left and right... we're talking all-time stuff here...

I mean, I certainly loved the time when we had the best player in the game, from a bragging standpoint. Back then the complaint was the offense was "too one-dimensional" :lol

But this team was just such a joy to watch, and dominant... After the letdown of the Championship DVD, I'm archiving all the games and pre/post game shows.
i'd say it's more rewarding not just stylistically but also emotionally. I hated when the media called the Spurs boring so it's ironic that the current version is more exciting than any team I can recall, with the exception of Showtime Lakers perhaps.

I do think people will go back to some of the 00s stuff and appreciate it more, especially since Spurs seem more mainstream. I think the 05 Finals in particular is going to be put in its proper context as one of the best.

If you ever archive a ton of shit, maybe make it a torrent and everyone can share it? I'd love to have an HD collection, especially of past 3 years, I'm so cheap I'm still not sure I want to buy the ones off amazon, but I probably will.

[Arcadian]

Kawhi established himself as the best player on the team.

[ElNono]

i'd say it's more rewarding not just stylistically but also emotionally. I hated when the media called the Spurs boring so it's ironic that the current version is more exciting than any team I can recall, with the exception of Showtime Lakers perhaps.

I do think people will go back to some of the 00s stuff and appreciate it more, especially since Spurs seem more mainstream. I think the 05 Finals in particular is going to be put in its proper context as one of the best.

If you ever archive a ton of shit, maybe make it a torrent and everyone can share it? I'd love to have an HD collection, especially of past 3 years, I'm so cheap I'm still not sure I want to buy the ones off amazon, but I probably will.

There's already some torrents out there if you look around... that's how I fetched all the pre-post game shows for the Finals... but the time to get them is now...

[spursparker9]

Damn, this is hard...

I voted Kawhi by a small margin.

[HI-FI]

There's already some torrents out there if you look around... that's how I fetched all the pre-post game shows for the Finals... but the time to get them is now...
cool. i'll check it out.

[DAF86]

OMG

:lmao

You know that if no lyfe meow and testies are on your side, you're probably doing something wrong...


:lol Manu fans now jealous that Leonard is getting more attention. Next it will be:

"How come Leonard doesn't pass the ball to Manu?"
"Leonard hero balling again."
"Leonard is a choker."


25 votes for Manu
23 for kawhi

:lmao
:lmao
:lmao
:lmao

Stick to soccer manu voters...


this might be better to post on realgm or insidehoops. manutards have this site on lockdown.

What have you done for me lately posts, tbh.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234029&highlight=mvp+playoffs+so+far
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232602&highlight=mvp+playoffs+so+far

Just to remember you what we were talking before playing the Heat, tbh.

P/S: I should also remember you that this thread was started by a guy that got mad just 'cause he read somewhere that Manu had a better playoffs run than Kawhi, like if that was some incredible ridiculous thing to say, tbh.

[100%duncan]

Why does one side get butthurt if others think the other player did better?

I voted for Manu because the poll said for the playoffs. Since a lot of you are allergic to stats and common sense, put it like this.

We don't win the Dallas Series without Manu playing great. We win vs Blazers series if say, Kawhi's production decreased by half because the Blazers were not prepared for a real team. We don't win vs OKC without both playing well. We don't win the finals without both playing well.

Yes Kawhi was a beast in those last 3 games but it's not like Manu was shit in the finals. The spark he gave in game 1 and in game 5 were big. He dug us out of a 23-6 hole. You all can argue all you want tbh, my feelings won't be hurt if you say Kawhi was the better player because as I've said in my previous post it's so close between these 2, it really is.

[KL2]

Manu fans are incredibly delusional lmfao, Kawhi>>>Manu

People forgetting how he made that portland team quit (even with TP sitting), was key to winning in OKC, and was MVP in the finals. Kawhi's defensive impact was also huge, Manu not so much.

[ManuGinobiliArg]

do not understand why both discuss who is better or worse without Manu at a good level we would not have come out champions without kawi at a good level we would not have been champions, this is a team, is a group game. not tennis.

2013 kawi manu and had no good end and we lost.

while you discuss Kawi Manu and admire.

[RudyRay]

Overall I say Manu. Kawhi disappears for games at a time, Manu seemed more consistent throughout.

[dabom]

this might be better to post on realgm or insidehoops. manutards have this site on lockdown.

I know dude. This site is 50% manu fans. :lmao

Before Kawhi joined, the spurs weren't playing for championships. :rollin

[dabom]

Overall I say Manu. Kawhi disappears for games at a time, Manu seemed more consistent throughout.

Kawhi disappeared for like 4 games tops the entire playoffs. He is guarding durant, westbrook, lebron. Any offense KL gives us is bonus.
His job is to play defense. He pretty much does the same thing manu brings on offense and is the best perimeter defender in the league.

Now Manu disappeared the entire portland series and some other games. Kawhi is more consistent than Manu at this point.

[Darius McCrary]

Manu went beyond the call of duty to redeem himself for his atrocious 2013 performance.
He was an assassin, he was clutch, he straight up balled.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Kawhi disappeared for like 4 games tops the entire playoffs. He is guarding durant, westbrook, lebron. Any offense KL gives us is bonus.
His job is to play defense. He pretty much does the same thing manu brings on offense and is the best perimeter defender in the league.

Now Manu disappeared the entire portland series and some other games. Kawhi is more consistent than Manu at this point.

More consistent at what?

Manu disappears with his scoring.. not his playmaking, and if we are going by that, I'm pretty sure Kawhi's career high is like 22 points.

I bet you feel retarded. Butthurt because a couple fans believed Manu played very well, so you make a thread, and so far it's backfiring.

[dabom]

More consistent at what?

Manu disappears with his scoring.. not his playmaking, and if we are going by that, I'm pretty sure Kawhi's career high is like 22 points.

I bet you feel retarded. Butthurt because a couple fans believed Manu played very well, so you make a thread, and so far it's backfiring.

but he has no defense to fall back on. When he isn't scoring, he needs to sit his ass on the bench.

That's the opposite with Kawhi. I don't know if you know, but kawhi is a two-way player.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

but he has no defense to fall back on. When he isn't scoring, he needs to sit his ass on the bench.

That's the opposite with Kawhi. I don't know if you know, but kawhi is a two-way player.

I think there's a reason you only have 300 posts. Manu is our best playmaker, right with Parker, so no, when he's not scoring he doesn't need to sit on the bench.

Manu is Manu. And can score 20 points straight out of nowhere.

Kawhi is hardly a two-way player. He's looked great in the finals, but he is inconsistent on offense and that's not really debatable. Not to mention this is talking about the playoffs, not skill.

The fact you are trying to compare the 36 and 23 year old and it's a legitimate discussion tells you all you need to know.

[dabom]

I think there's a reason you only have 300 posts. Manu is our best playmaker, right with Parker, so no, when he's not scoring he doesn't need to sit on the bench.

Manu is Manu. And can score 20 points straight out of nowhere.

Kawhi is hardly a two-way player. He's looked great in the finals, but he is inconsistent on offense and that's not really debatable. Not to mention this is talking about the playoffs, not skill.

The fact you are trying to compare the 36 and 23 year old and it's a legitimate discussion tells you all you need to know.

I really missed all those fucking turnovers last year then. And his shitty defense. If he's not scoring he can still hurt our team.
He'll even when he's scoring, he is a liability on defense besides his good 15 mins of good defense.

[Brazil]

Kawhi disappeared for like 4 games tops the entire playoffs.

make that 6 games...

black hole game 2 against Dallas
Games 2 -4 against okc
and 2 first games against Miami


He is guarding durant, westbrook, lebron. Any offense KL gives us is bonus.

:lol

no it's not. Spurs needed Kawhi being aggressive in Offense to have a chance and he did that well. Nothing close to his O production is a bonus.



His job is to play defense. He pretty much does the same thing manu brings on offense and is the best perimeter defender in the league.

not sure I understood your point here. Are you saying he brings in O as much as Manu or are you saying his D production is somehow equivalent of Manu O ? both statement would not make sense

oh and no he is not the best perimeter defender in the league

[Brazil]

As for OP it's a toss up

For me most consistent and valuable player of this PO is Duncan
Then Manu and Kawhi
Then Tony
Then Split / Boris / Green / Mills

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I really missed all those fucking turnovers last year then. And his shitty defense. If he's not scoring he can still hurt our team.
He'll even when he's scoring, he is a liability on defense besides his good 15 mins of good defense.

You need to quit melting down. You are bringing up irrelevance to try to further your point.

This thread is asking about who the better playoff player was in 2014. Manu had a bad playoffs in 2013, but did more than redeem himself in 2014. He had the same amount of steals as Kawhi, so where is this liability?

Do you even watch the team? Or are you one of those new-school fans like apostolic who only watches Kawhi? Because you're being very disrespectful.

"He'll even when he's scoring, he is a liability on defense besides his good 15 mins of good defense."

^ What does that even mean? It's like you contradicted yourself.

[dabom]

make that 6 games...

black hole game 2 against Dallas
Games 2 -4 against okc
and 2 first games against Miami



:lol

no it's not. Spurs needed Kawhi being aggressive in Offense to have a chance and he did that well. Nothing close to his O production is a bonus.




not sure I understood your point here. Are you saying he brings in O as much as Manu or are you saying his D production is somehow equivalent of Manu O ? both statement would not make sense

oh and no he is not the best perimeter defender in the league

Check their offensive numbers. They are comparable even though the system is relied on manu. And then when you look at their defense, Kawhi blows him out the water.
How hard is that for you to understand?

[dabom]

You need to quit melting down. You are bringing up irrelevance to try to further your point.

This thread is asking about who the better playoff player was in 2014. Manu had a bad playoffs in 2013, but did more than redeem himself in 2014. He had the same amount of steals as Kawhi, so where is this liability?

Do you even watch the team? Or are you one of those new-school fans like apostolic who only watches Kawhi? Because you're being very disrespectful.

"He'll even when he's scoring, he is a liability on defense besides his good 15 mins of good defense."

^ What does that even mean? It's like you contradicted yourself.

Can you read? It's self explanatory.
I was just proving that he can hurt this team besides not scoring.

[Clipper Nation]

You need to quit melting down. You are bringing up irrelevance to try to further your point.

This thread is asking about who the better playoff player was in 2014. Manu had a bad playoffs in 2013, but did more than redeem himself in 2014. He had the same amount of steals as Kawhi, so where is this liability?

Do you even watch the team? Or are you one of those new-school fans like apostolic who only watches Kawhi? Because you're being very disrespectful.

"He'll even when he's scoring, he is a liability on defense besides his good 15 mins of good defense."

^ What does that even mean? It's like you contradicted yourself.
:lol Pet cats
:lol Faggot

[dabom]

:lol Pet cats
:lol Faggot

Is he even with his girlfriend anymore?
I'd venture and say no. :lmao

[100%duncan]

make that 6 games...

black hole game 2 against Dallas
Games 2 -4 against okc
and 2 first games against Miami



:lol

no it's not. Spurs needed Kawhi being aggressive in Offense to have a chance and he did that well. Nothing close to his O production is a bonus.




not sure I understood your point here. Are you saying he brings in O as much as Manu or are you saying his D production is somehow equivalent of Manu O ? both statement would not make sense

oh and no he is not the best perimeter defender in the league

Brazil protecting Manu

Never thought Id see this day :cry

[dabom]

Brazil protecting Manu

Never thought Id see this day :cry

He knows Parker is next. :cry

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Is he even with his girlfriend anymore?
I'd venture and say no. :lmao

:lol not realizing that agreeing with Korea Nation is basically equivalent to jerking off Michael Sam
:lol butthurt because your poll failed
:lol resorting to discredit Manu's accomplishments to prop up Kawhi
:lol how about you put 2005 Manu vs. 2014 Kawhi since you want to talk shit about Manu every chance you get

[100%duncan]

:lol not realizing that agreeing with Korea Nation is basically equivalent to jerking off Michael Sam
:lol butthurt because your poll failed
:lol resorting to discredit Manu's accomplishments to prop up Kawhi
:lol how about you put 2005 Manu vs. 2014 Kawhi since you want to talk shit about Manu every chance you get

You need to give up on this discussion. All of a sudden when you say that Kawhi is not the best player in the team they'll curse you.

But I'd still laugh at cat jokes though :lol

[dabom]

:lol not realizing that agreeing with Korea Nation is basically equivalent to jerking off Michael Sam
:lol butthurt because your poll failed
:lol resorting to discredit Manu's accomplishments to prop up Kawhi
:lol how about you put 2005 Manu vs. 2014 Kawhi since you want to talk shit about Manu every chance you get


Kawhi got a FMVP in 2014 and Manu didn't in 2005 :rollin

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Kawhi got a FMVP in 2014 and Manu didn't in 2005 :rollin

Okay? Manu won an Olympic medal when he was 23, against team US, and Kawhi still can't create his own shot.

[100%duncan]

Okay? Manu won an Olympic medal when he was 23, against team US, and Kawhi still can't create his own shot.

Yes he can. Don't overdo it like they do.

[dabom]

Okay? Manu won an Olympic medal when he was 23, against team US, and Kawhi still can't create his own shot.

I hope Kawhi doesn't play in meaningless national team games. I want him healthy every year. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

:lol not realizing that agreeing with Korea Nation is basically equivalent to jerking off Michael Sam
:lol butthurt because your poll failed
:lol resorting to discredit Manu's accomplishments to prop up Kawhi
:lol how about you put 2005 Manu vs. 2014 Kawhi since you want to talk shit about Manu every chance you get
lol Manu > Kawhi
lol Cum > Montana
lol cats

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I hope Kawhi doesn't play in meaningless national team games. I want him healthy every year. :lol

He has yet to play more than 65 games in a year, too..

Easy to nitpick, isn't it?

[dabom]

He has yet to play more than 65 games in a year, too..

Easy to nitpick, isn't it?

but he isn't injured for the playoffs. :rollin

[Perry Mason]

I second that Manu has a very slight edge. D. Green gets some credit for the wing defense, and Manu was more important on offense, offsetting Tony's inconsistency.

But people need to stop underrating TP's performance. He was injured and played like a warrior. He was icing his ankle in the delivery room.

He still led in average scoring, still ran the offense and floor game (earning Pop's praise) and had great individual performances in every series. People are just used to his consistency so it was jarring to see him off some games.

[Brazil]

Check their offensive numbers. They are comparable even though the system is relied on manu. And then when you look at their defense, Kawhi blows him out the water.
How hard is that for you to understand?

:lol you suck at this tbh

Manu scored 14 ppg same total than Kawhi with an equivalent TS% plus he was the primary ball handler off the bench. He gave 4 assists per game vs. 1,7 for Kawhi, 6 per 36 same as Parker. His scoring per 36 is the best of the team at 20 ppg. So no their offensive numbers are absolutely not comparable.

[Brazil]

Brazil protecting Manu

Never thought Id see this day :cry

:lol it means you don't pay a lot attention. I've always been a Manu fan

[dabom]

:lol you suck at this tbh

Manu scored 14 ppg same total than Kawhi with an equivalent TS% plus he was the primary ball handler off the bench. He gave 4 assists per game vs. 1,7 for Kawhi, 6 per 36 same as Parker. His scoring per 36 is the best of the team at 20 ppg. So no their offensive numbers are absolutely not comparable.

But manu can't fucking play more than 25mpg you stupid fuck.

[100%duncan]

:lol it means you don't pay a lot attention. I've always been a Manu fan

Forgive me senpai :cry

I'd advise you to stop wasting your time researching facts on bball references though, they won't accept it tbh. Kawhi>All.

[Brazil]

He knows Parker is next. :cry


As for OP it's a toss up

For me most consistent and valuable player of this PO is Duncan
Then Manu and Kawhi
Then Tony
Then Split / Boris / Green / Mills

self explanatory tbh

:cry make it stop tbh... you are hurting my feelings :cry

[dabom]

Forgive me senpai :cry

I'd advise you to stop wasting your time researching facts on bball references though, they won't accept it tbh. Kawhi>All.

Kawhi had more winshares than manu. WTF?!

[ElNono]

this thread :lol

[Brazil]

But manu can't fucking play more than 25mpg you stupid fuck.

:lol you still suck at that

:lol I was expecting you will forget about the rest of the post... "Manu scored 14 ppg same total than Kawhi with an equivalent TS% plus he was the primary ball handler off the bench. He gave 4 assists per game vs. 1,7 for Kawhi" So in less time he scored the same amount of points with the same efficiency being the primary ball handler with TP when on the court dishing 4 apg and yet you are saying Kawhi offensively did as good as Manu :lol

As a reminder Spurs played 23 POs games not just the last 3 games against Miami.

[dabom]

this thread :lol

Tons of manutards tbh. :rollin

[dabom]

:lol you still suck at that

:lol I was expecting you will forget about the rest of the post... "Manu scored 14 ppg same total than Kawhi with an equivalent TS% plus he was the primary ball handler off the bench. He gave 4 assists per game vs. 1,7 for Kawhi" So in less time he scored the same amount of points with the same efficiency being the primary ball handler with TP when on the court dishing 4 apg and yet you are saying Kawhi offensively did as good as Manu :lol

As a reminder Spurs played 23 POs games not just the last 3 games against Miami.

Kawhi with more winshares, more winshares per 48. An 18 point differential per 100 possessions vs manus 10point diferential per 100 possessions.
Are people fucking blind?

[ElNono]

Like I said in the other thread, I absolutely love Kawhi, his future looks bright and he's on the right path, but he's become massively overrated by some peeps in here. In their defense, people tend to have short memory, and magnify the most recent events, so it's not something uncommon at all...

I'm actually looking forward to Kawhi showing Durant he's more than just a 'system player'... that was certainly a bitchmade comment.

[Brazil]

Forgive me senpai :cry

I'd advise you to stop wasting your time researching facts on bball references though, they won't accept it tbh. Kawhi>All.

:lol

btw I'm not saying Manu had a better PO run than Kawhi tbh, it's for me really a toss up. Both have been the biggest strenght of the Spurs behind Duncan. Parker is a step below even if in PER the three are close: 19 for Parker, 19,4 for Kawhi and 20 for Manu. Now we should spend more time sucking Duncan balls than discussing Kawhi vs Manu.

[RD2191]

Manudona? Glad that dude ain't biased.

[Brazil]

Kawhi with more winshares, more winshares per 48. An 18 point differential per 100 possessions vs manus 10point diferential per 100 possessions.
Are people fucking blind?

again you suck at this

we were talking about offensive production

try to keep up

[dabom]

again you suck at this

we were talking about offensive production

try to keep up

We aren't talking about offensive production. We are talking about who played better in the fucking playoffs. WTF?!

[100%duncan]

Now we should spend more time sucking Duncan balls than discussing Kawhi vs Manu.

Agreed.

[Brazil]

We aren't talking about offensive production. We are talking about who played better in the fucking playoffs. WTF?!


Check their offensive numbers. They are comparable even though the system is relied on manu. And then when you look at their defense, Kawhi blows him out the water.
How hard is that for you to understand?


:lol you suck at this tbh

Manu scored 14 ppg same total than Kawhi with an equivalent TS% plus he was the primary ball handler off the bench. He gave 4 assists per game vs. 1,7 for Kawhi, 6 per 36 same as Parker. His scoring per 36 is the best of the team at 20 ppg. So no their offensive numbers are absolutely not comparable.

boy, here is the thing whether you have a brain and you try to keep up or go post on the Club or something.

Your argument is globally, correct me if I'm wrong, Kawhi has the same O production than Manu and he is superior in D so Kawhi > Manu these POs.

My post and the part I highlighted in bold made pretty clear I was challenging your assumption that Kawhi O production is equivalent to Manu's production.

[Brazil]

For the rest winshares like other metrics are tool to help us out measuring player's impact. The fact Kawhi has more winshares than Manu does not mean Kawhi has a better run than Manu these POs. You go with winshares, I go with PER. Kawhi has a 19,4 PER Manu has a 20 PER so Manu > Kawhi. :lol stupid

[dabom]

For the rest winshares like other metrics are tool to help us out measuring player's impact. The fact Kawhi has more winshares than Manu does not mean Kawhi has a better run than Manu these POs. You go with winshares, I go with PER. Kawhi has a 19,4 PER Manu has a 20 PER so Manu > Kawhi. :lol stupid

"PER strives to measure a player's per-minute performance, while adjusting for pace"

PER is a per-minute measurement
Kawhi plays 10 more fucking minutes than Manu, he is the better player. He brings more to this team than Manu this postseason.
Manu can't play 35mpg or more or else he gets fucking injured. You stupid fuck! :lmao

[Brazil]

"PER strives to measure a player's per-minute performance, while adjusting for pace"

PER is a per-minute measurement
Kawhi plays 10 more fucking minutes than Manu, he is the better player. He brings more to this team than Manu this postseason.
Manu can't play 35mpg or more or else he gets fucking injured. You stupid fuck! :lmao





:lol

oh fuck I was indeed debating with an idiot

[ElNono]

For the rest winshares like other metrics are tool to help us out measuring player's impact. The fact Kawhi has more winshares than Manu does not mean Kawhi has a better run than Manu these POs. You go with winshares, I go with PER. Kawhi has a 19,4 PER Manu has a 20 PER so Manu > Kawhi. :lol stupid

:lol Yeah, it's pretty silly. It's like trying to bring up 'minutes' without looking at usage rate... I mean, this stuff isn't anything new...

[dabom]

:lol

oh fuck I was indeed debating with an idiot

Next please! :hungry:

[Brazil]

:lol Yeah, it's pretty silly. It's like trying to bring up 'minutes' without looking at usage rate... I mean, this stuff isn't anything new...

:lol this dabom is another class of stupid tbh
:lol dat new gnsf wave

[dabom]

:lol Yeah, it's pretty silly. It's like trying to bring up 'minutes' without looking at usage rate... I mean, this stuff isn't anything new...

He gets that many points without a lot of usage? WTF. He must be better than manu then.
So PER and Winshares proves KL was the better player in the playoffs than Manu. Even PER100 possesions Kawhi did better by 80% more.
You are just so blind. :lmao

[ElNono]

:lol this dabom is another class of stupid tbh
:lol dat new gnsf wave

It kinda started since reaching the Finals last season... there was this influx of NASF and frontrunners... one of the few drawbacks of ringing, tbh :lol

[dabom]

:lol this dabom is another class of stupid tbh
:lol dat new gnsf wave

2 people. Me and Spence. :rollin
That's a huge wave if you ask me.

[dabom]

It kinda started since reaching the Finals last season... there was this influx of NASF and frontrunners... one of the few drawbacks of ringing, tbh :lol

2 people? Seriously?
If you're mad Kawhi played better than Manu. :lmao

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol this dabom is another class of stupid tbh
:lol dat new gnsf wave

:lol

[dabom]

:lol

You've been on this page for a whole hour but can't defend any points. :lmao

[ElNono]

2 people? Seriously?
If you're mad Kawhi played better than Manu. :lmao

Oh, no... Way more than 2 people, Brazil knows what I'm talking about.

I like your enthusiasm, tbh... you're far from the worst cases.

[ElNono]

I mean, robdiaz2191 started like you and with a bit of grooming, he's now a rockstar.... you just have to play your cards right, tbh...

[spurraider21]

I mean, robdiaz2191 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42690) started like you and with a bit of grooming, he's now a rockstar.... you just have to play your cards right, tbh...
:wakeup

[Brazil]

"PER strives to measure a player's per-minute performance, while adjusting for pace"

PER is a per-minute measurement
Kawhi plays 10 more fucking minutes than Manu, he is the better player. He brings more to this team than Manu this postseason.
Manu can't play 35mpg or more or else he gets fucking injured. You stupid fuck! :lmao





I was overlooking dat gem tbh :lol

So by this logic, Parker > Manu, Parker played 400 more minutes for a PER differential of one

Thank you dabom and welcome to the CoP, send a pm with your address I will send you the Parker kit: a mug and a tee-shirt

ElNono come here spin dat shit

:lmao

[Brazil]

he's now a rockstar....

Let's not be too carried away there

:lol

[dabom]

I was overlooking dat gem tbh :lol

So by this logic, Parker > Manu, Parker played 400 more minutes for a PER differential of one

Thank you dabom and welcome to the CoP, send a pm with your address I will send you the Parker kit: a mug and a tee-shirt

ElNono come here spin dat shit

:lmao

Do I seriously have to put you in your spot some more? :lol

[ElNono]

I was overlooking dat gem tbh :lol

So by this logic, Parker > Manu, Parker played 400 more minutes for a PER differential of one

Thank you dabom and welcome to the CoP, send a pm with your address I will send you the Parker kit: a mug and a tee-shirt

ElNono come here spin dat shit

:lmao

I've got nothing... MVParker is the mpg MVP... :lol

[Brazil]

I've got nothing... MVParker is the mpg MVP... :lol

:lol

[dabom]

TP's winshares is lower, his winshares per 48 is lower and his per100 possecions is a net negative.
No TP did not play better than Manu. But when multiple stats say Kawhi > Manu in the playoffs, you can't argue that. :lmao

[dabom]

It's like I'm debating with idiots. :bang

[ElNono]

:lol det moment when you realize "perhaps I shouldn't have started that thread"...

[ElNono]

We've all been through it, tbh...

[dabom]

We've all been through it, tbh...

I underestimated the amount of manufans/tards and the level of reasoning in here. :(

[ElNono]

I underestimated the amount of manufans/tards and the level of reasoning in here. :(

Well, welcome to Spurstalk. :toast

Like I said, this place is not really representative of the overall Spurs fanbase, so don't feel bad.

I'm actually glad we have some Kawhi homers on board, he's the franchise future, per Pop and RC, so it was a matter of time anyways.

[dabom]

Well, welcome to Spurstalk. :toast

Like I said, this place is not really representative of the overall Spurs fanbase, so don't feel bad.

I'm actually glad we have some Kawhi homers on board, he's the franchise future, per Pop and RC, so it was a matter of time anyways.

:rollin Not a Kawhi homer though. I even said Tim Duncan was the best player for us again this playoffs.
I thought it was clear as day to say Kawhi was the second best player in the playoffs. But then trolling begets more trolling.

[ElNono]

:rollin Not a Kawhi homer though. I even said Tim Duncan was the best player for us again this playoffs.
I thought it was clear as day to say Kawhi was the second best player in the playoffs. But then trolling begets more trolling.

:lol it's ok, there's no such thing as an unbiased fan, tbh. We all have our favorites. ie: I'm a huge MVParker fan. You try to keep an even keel, but it's only natural to root for certain guys.

[ManuGinobiliArg]

without manu not championships, said pop

[jARS mEsH sEt]

:lol det moment when you realize "perhaps I shouldn't have started that thread"...


We've all been through it, tbh...

Speak for yourselves. I stand by every thread I've ever made :rollin

[ElNono]

Speak for yourselves. I stand by every thread I've ever made :rollin

:lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol

:lol

[Johnny RIngo]

Not too different from 2007. Parker had the better Finals numbers but Manu had the better overall playoffs. Same this year. Kawhi had the Finals MVP but Manu was more important overall.

[dabom]

Not too different from 2007. Parker had the better Finals numbers but Manu had the better overall playoffs. Same this year. Kawhi had the Finals MVP but Manu was more important overall.

I guess you must have missed the last 3 pages for saying shit like this.

[Phenomanul]

And technically the one series which hurts Manu's overall numbers (vs. Portland) was a series that he ultimately wasn't needed in... Belinelli's one good series (vs. Portland) didn't require Manu have to play at All-Star levels for the Spurs to advance...

Manu had near superstar PER values if the Portland series is dropped out from his overall post-season stats. Instead he ended up with an All-Star level PER. Not too shabby.

Tim Duncan was the Spurs' most consistent/productive player for the Spurs during the 2014 Playoffs
Manu comes in at second
and Kawhi just a wee bit smidgeon behind that...

Really a 2A/2B argument here...

[dabom]

And technically the one series which hurts Manu's overall numbers (vs. Portland) was a series that he ultimately wasn't needed in... Belinelli's one good series (vs. Portland) didn't require Manu have to play at All-Star levels for the Spurs to advance...

Manu had near superstar PER values if the Portland series is dropped out from his overall post-season stats. Instead he ended up with an All-Star level PER. Not too shabby.

Tim Duncan was the Spurs' most consistent/productive player for the Spurs during the 2014 Playoffs
Manu comes in at second
and Kawhi just a wee bit smidgeon behind that...

Really a 2A/2B argument here...

Please post all your numbers, not just bits and pieces. Then multiply PER by their minutes played to see who provided more for the spurs.
Post their winshares and their winshares per 48 and their per100 possession differential. Please pretty please with sugar on top.

[dabom]

I see why manu fans like PER now. They missed the part where it is a per minute stat.
I usually don't mind comparing bench and other players using PER but when one player can't physically play those minutes, I can't compare the two.

[Phenomanul]

You pretend like the coach doesn't determine/affect how many minutes a player can play... Manu plays all out when he's on the floor.

[dabom]

You pretend like the coach doesn't determine/affect how many minutes a player can play... Manu plays all out when he's on the floor.

And then he hurts himself, and then he misses the entire playoffs. But his PER is at 20 bro! higher than Kawhi's! You pretend like manu isn't injury prone or something.

[dabom]

Manu is actually my favorite player, but I can't lie to myself and say he was the better player between the two.

[Baam]

I've said it before but imo Manu was the best player of the POs overall, it's super close anyway...

1/ Manu
2/ TP/TD/Boris/Kawhi
3/ Green




4/ Mills















5/ Tiago (basically only played half the POs)















































6/ Bonner
7/ Cojo
Dead last/ Beli

[dabom]

I've said it before but imo Manu was the best player of the POs overall, it's super close anyway...

1/ Manu
2/ TP/TD/Boris/Kawhi
3/ Green




4/ Mills















5/ Tiago















































6/ Bonner
7/ Cojo
Dead last/ Beli

:lmao

[Baam]

:lmao

Manu was a monster vs Dallas tbh. And hit ridiculous momentum shots in every series save for the easy Portland series that didn't require any...

So MVP of the toughest series and most consistent.

[dabom]

Manu was a monster vs Dallas tbh. And hit ridiculous momentum shots in every series save for the easy Portland series that didn't require any...

So MVP of the toughest series and most consistent.

Ok buddy.

[Baam]

I'm a church of Parker guy btw, I just tell it how I see it.

[Malik Hairston]

Win shares is a meh stat by advanced metrics purposes, tbh..

[dabom]

I'm a church of Parker guy btw, I just tell it how I see it.

I already know all the church of parker and church of manu and church of red rocket are all joining together against the church of kawhi.

[dabom]

Win shares is a meh stat by advanced metrics purposes, tbh..

Which one do you prefer?

[dunkman]

They do different things for the team. Manu can't defend LeBron straight up or score on him, Kawhi isn't a great playmaker or is as clutch as Manu.

[Brazil]

:lol I'm not even sure how somebody could make a case of Tim Duncan not being the mvp of these POs tbh

and it is not even close

[dabom]

:lol I'm not even sure how somebody could make a case of Tim Duncan not being the mvp of these POs tbh

and it is not even close

That dude is a moron.

[Brazil]

:lol I'm not even sure how somebody could make a case of Tim Duncan not being the mvp of these POs tbh

and it is not even close

he is leading most advanced metrics during the POs
second in scoring, he did not score double digit only one time, he put 9 double double , he leads blks and rebounds by a mile AND minutes played :lol

[Brazil]

That dude is a moron.

go ahead moron, make your case of Duncan not being the mvp of this POs run

[dabom]

go ahead moron, make your case of Duncan not being the mvp of this POs run

Are you a fucking retard? I said TD was the playoff MVP. You stupid fuck.
I thought you were laughing at BAAM for having manu over TD. :bang

[Brazil]

Are you a fucking retard? I said TD was the playoff MVP. You stupid fuck.
I thought you were laughing at BAAM for having manu over TD. :bang

dude you have reading issue... for real

[dabom]

dude you have reading issue... for real

If you quote me, then say something, It appears you are talking to me. :bang

[hater]

Duncan was easily the playoffs MVP. I can see the Manutard legions have returned to form for this season :lol

overall in playoffs:
1. Duncan
2. Kawhi
3. Diaw
4. Splitter
4. Manu/Green

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Duncan was easily the playoffs MVP. I can see the Manutard legions have returned to form for this season :lol

overall in playoffs:
1. Duncan
2. Kawhi
3. Diaw
4. Splitter
4. Manu/Green

:lol coming from the guy that said Belinelli would replace Manu :lmao

[hater]

:lol coming from the guy that said Belinelli would replace Manu :lmao

Ferrari is replacing Manu this season. It's already a done deal.

and FYI, Splitter was our MVP for the 1st 2 rounds of the playoffs. Diaw had just a SOLID run throughout and was the X factor. We don't win without Diaw.

I don't see how anyone can argue with that ranking IMO