Kobe Had To Be Much More Physically and Mentally Tougher Than Duncan

[Koolaid_Man]

A day or 2 ago I heard the radio asking the question "Who had the better career Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan?" First of all let me say that you typically hear Tim Duncan's name in the conversation of "Who's the best power forward ever?" but you typically hear Kobe Bryant's name in the conversation "Who's the best PLAYER ever?" By that agrument alone Kobe Bryant had the better career.....but also when I look at everything Kobe has had to OVERCOME. It's a no brainer that Kobe's the superior talent.


Both were drafted to good organizations, played under outstanding coaches, and played next to NBA greats early and often in their careers. However, when I think about the road Kobe has traveled (all the critics of his game, separating himself from the shadow of Shaq, Phil Jackson leaving, the false rape scandal, having to fill the void of MJ in order for the NBA to survive, multiple injuries) Kobe's simply had to be much more physically and mentally tougher. The 2 guard position (that Hakeem said is the toughest position in all of basketball) The defenders and offensive players he faced in comparison is another reason to give Kobe the nod.


Tim Duncan has stayed the course very well in his career by resting for long stretches at a time and playing under the same system and coach his entire career....but Kobe has SURVIVED and OVERCOME the course. I'm open to hearing any reason why someone would disagree but for me the answer is simply Kobe Bryant.

Plus Kobe is still married. :toast

[spurraider21]

Duncan was drafted to an organization that had never made the NBA finals.

Kobe started his career on a team with 11 championships

[Clipper Nation]

A day or 2 ago I heard the radio asking the question "Who had the better career Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan?" First of all let me say that you typically hear Tim Duncan's name in the conversation of "Who's the best power forward ever?" but you typically hear Kobe Bryant's name in the conversation "Who's the best PLAYER ever?" By that agrument alone Kobe Bryant had the better career.....but also when I look at everything Kobe has had to OVERCOME. It's a no brainer that Kobe's the superior talent.


Both were drafted to good organizations, played under outstanding coaches, and played next to NBA greats early and often in their careers. However, when I think about the road Kobe has traveled (all the critics of his game, separating himself from the shadow of Shaq, Phil Jackson leaving, the false rape scandal, having to fill the void of MJ in order for the NBA to survive, multiple injuries) Kobe's simply had to be much more physically and mentally tougher. The 2 guard position (that Hakeem said is the toughest position in all of basketball) The defenders and offensive players he faced in comparison is another reason to give Kobe the nod.


Tim Duncan has stayed the course very well in his career by resting for long stretches at a time and playing under the same system and coach his entire career....but Kobe has SURVIVED and OVERCOME the course. I'm open to hearing any reason why someone would disagree but for me the answer is simply Kobe Bryant.

Plus Kobe is still married. :toast
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[Koolaid_Man]

Duncan was drafted to an organization that had never made the NBA finals.

Kobe started his career on a team with 11 championships

What does that have to do with his accomplishments as a player in comparison to Duncan. My OP stands if you dont have a legit take in rebuttal then shut the fuck up please.

[ChumpDumper]

lol Kobe was carried his entire career by his teammates. Pretty much the opposite of tough.

[spurraider21]

What does that have to do with his accomplishments as a player in comparison to Duncan. My OP stands if you dont have a legit take in rebuttal then shut the fuck up please.
It was a response to your "both were drafted by good organizations" point as if they had equal footing

[Infinite_limit]

Duncan > Shaq > Kobe

[kobe4life]

Duncan had a championship ready team the moment he was drafted while God's team wasn't a title contender when he was drafted. The Lakers were coming off of a first round loss to the Rockets while the spurs only sucked prior to drafting Duncan due to the admiral sitting out the season. God made the Lakers into a champions while Duncan coat tailed off David Robinson and Sean ******. God made Shaq and co into better players.

[Ghazi]

Is kobe4 life 11 years old? Or just no lice? Tbh..

[Buddy Mignon]

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Read this...:rollin


How many championships does the Los Angeles Clippers (http://nba-franchises.findthebest.com/l/13/Los-Angeles-Clippers) NBA basketball franchise have?According to our research engine:
The Los Angeles Clippers (http://nba-franchises.findthebest.com/l/13/Los-Angeles-Clippers) NBA basketball franchise has the following statistics:
All-time Wins: 1,360
All-time Losses: 2,200
All-time Winning Percentage: 38.2%
Total Championships: 0
NBA Conference Titles: 0
Playoff Appearances: 10
Division Titles: 0

[Clipper Nation]

Read this...:rollin


How many championships does the Los Angeles Clippers (http://nba-franchises.findthebest.com/l/13/Los-Angeles-Clippers) NBA basketball franchise have?

According to our research engine:
The Los Angeles Clippers (http://nba-franchises.findthebest.com/l/13/Los-Angeles-Clippers) NBA basketball franchise has the following statistics:
All-time Wins: 1,360
All-time Losses: 2,200
All-time Winning Percentage: 38.2%
Total Championships: 0
NBA Conference Titles: 0
Playoff Appearances: 10
Division Titles: 0
Nah, I think I'll read this instead:

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[Buddy Mignon]

Nah, I think I'll read this instead:

About Ghost_of_Gashir
Biography
A bitter Asian male muddling his way through life. (:lmao) But damn if I don't look sexy doing it.
Location
Ever bang an entire bachelorette party, baby?
Interests
Staring at you through your bedroom window. Don't worry, I don't take pictures.
Occupation
I work for the government. (:lmao) This is where you laugh.
Favorite Character(s)
Yondaime, Akatsuki, Naruto, Obito, Gaara
Favorite Episode/Chapter
Episode:
Chapter: 134


:lmao

That cut ya deep, didn't it. You guys need to pick a made up story about me and stick to it. When I first came to this site I was accused of being a wigger. Then a stinky muslim paki.. now a gook with no life that enjoys cartoons that most of you are all too familiar with.:wakeup

[xellos88330]

:lmao

That cut ya deep, didn't it. You guys need to pick a made up story about me and stick to it. When I first came to this site I was accused of being a wigger. Then a stinky muslim paki.. now a gook with no life that enjoys cartoons that most of you are all too familiar with.:wakeup

Must have hurt to call it a "cartoon".

[Ghazi]

Lakers gonna lose 45+ this year

[kobe4life]

Lakers gonna lose 45+ this year

Lakers will shit all over your mavs this year. Remember when God lit you guys up for over 60 points because get ready for him to do it again.

[xellos88330]

A day or 2 ago I heard the radio asking the question "Who had the better career Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan?" First of all let me say that you typically hear Tim Duncan's name in the conversation of "Who's the best power forward ever?" but you typically hear Kobe Bryant's name in the conversation "Who's the best PLAYER ever?" By that agrument alone Kobe Bryant had the better career.....but also when I look at everything Kobe has had to OVERCOME. It's a no brainer that Kobe's the superior talent.


Both were drafted to good organizations, played under outstanding coaches, and played next to NBA greats early and often in their careers. However, when I think about the road Kobe has traveled (all the critics of his game, separating himself from the shadow of Shaq, Phil Jackson leaving, the false rape scandal, having to fill the void of MJ in order for the NBA to survive, multiple injuries) Kobe's simply had to be much more physically and mentally tougher. The 2 guard position (that Hakeem said is the toughest position in all of basketball) The defenders and offensive players he faced in comparison is another reason to give Kobe the nod.


Tim Duncan has stayed the course very well in his career by resting for long stretches at a time and playing under the same system and coach his entire career....but Kobe has SURVIVED and OVERCOME the course. I'm open to hearing any reason why someone would disagree but for me the answer is simply Kobe Bryant.

Plus Kobe is still married. :toast

Who exactly did Kobe play against in the title years?

2000

Kings: Jon Barry, Nick Anderson
Suns: Penny Hardaway, Todd Day
Blazers: Steve Smith, Bonzi Wells
Pacers: Reggie Miller, Jalen Rose

2001

Blazers: Steve Smith, Stacey Augmon
Kings: Doug Christie, Bobby Jackson
Spurs: Derek Anderson, Antonio Daniels
Sixers: Allen Iverson, Aaron Mckie

2002

Blazers: Bonzi Wells, Derek Anderson
Spurs: Antonio Daniels, Steve Smith
Kings: Bobby Jackson, Doug Christie
Nets: Kerry Kittles, Lucious Harris

2009

Jazz: Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer
Houston: Shane Battier, Ron Artest
Denver: JR Smith, Dahntay Jones
Magic: Mickael Pietrus, Courtney Lee

2010

OKC: James Harden, Thabo Sefolosha
Jazz: Wesley Matthews, Kyle Korver
Suns: Jason Richardson, Jared Dudley
Boston: Ray Allen, Tony Allen

Now, let us see who Tim Duncan was against during his title runs shall we?

1999

Wolves: Kevin Garnett, Joe Smith
Lakers: Robert Horry, Shaquille O'neal
Blazers: Rasheed Wallace, Brian Grant
Knicks: Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas

2003

Suns: Amar'e Stoudemire, Scott Williams
Lakers: Shaquille O'neal, Robert Horry
Mavs: Dirk Nowitzki, Eduardo Najera
Nets: Kenyon Martin, Jason Collins

2005

Denver: Kenyon Martin, Nene Hilario
Seattle: Jerome James, Reggie Evans
Suns: Amar'e Stoudemire, Shawn Marion
Pistons: Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace

2007

Denver: Nene Hilario, Marcus Camby
Suns: Amar'e Stoudemire, Kurt Thomas
Jazz: Mehemet Okur, Carlos Boozer
Cleveland: Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Anderson Verajao

2014

Dallas: Dirk Nowitzki, Samuel Dalembert
Blazers: LaMarcus Aldridge, Robin Lopez
OKC: Kendrick Perkins, Serge Ibaka
Miami: Chris Bosh, Chris Anderson


Now that that is done, can you REALLY honestly say that Kobe has indeed had the tougher road? Here is another gem for you. Kobe Bryant started playing basketball when he was 3. Duncan started playing basketball when he was in 9th grade. The sad part is that we are even having this discussion about which player is better when you compare someone who has played the game almost his entire life and another one who started basketball as a second option in high school. Perhaps Kobe's road is tougher. After all that Bean has done, he will still be in the shadow of a player who only took up basketball because of a hurricane in 1989.

[Franklin]

You really need to have a very tough mind to spread a bitch's legs and thrust an object in it despite the poor woman's crying, so yes Kobe must have a tougher mind than Duncan, I'm not sure about physicality though, but maybe you can get a clue by taking a look at the comparison of the numbers of games played by Duncan and Kobe last season.

Plus, you can't be married and be smart at the same time. Duncan is smart, Kobe not...

[Biernutz]

Kobe has Tim beat here.... Kobe looks mentally tough here!:lol

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb270/systime/lakersKobe_zps952f0af6.jpg

[Koolaid_Man]

Who exactly did Kobe play against in the title years?

2000

Kings: Jon Barry, Nick Anderson
Suns: Penny Hardaway, Todd Day
Blazers: Steve Smith, Bonzi Wells
Pacers: Reggie Miller, Jalen Rose

2001

Blazers: Steve Smith, Stacey Augmon
Kings: Doug Christie, Bobby Jackson
Spurs: Derek Anderson, Antonio Daniels
Sixers: Allen Iverson, Aaron Mckie

2002

Blazers: Bonzi Wells, Derek Anderson
Spurs: Antonio Daniels, Steve Smith
Kings: Bobby Jackson, Doug Christie
Nets: Kerry Kittles, Lucious Harris

2009

Jazz: Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer
Houston: Shane Battier, Ron Artest
Denver: JR Smith, Dahntay Jones
Magic: Mickael Pietrus, Courtney Lee

2010

OKC: James Harden, Thabo Sefolosha
Jazz: Wesley Matthews, Kyle Korver
Suns: Jason Richardson, Jared Dudley
Boston: Ray Allen, Tony Allen

Now, let us see who Tim Duncan was against during his title runs shall we?

1999

Wolves: Kevin Garnett, Joe Smith
Lakers: Robert Horry, Shaquille O'neal
Blazers: Rasheed Wallace, Brian Grant
Knicks: Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas

2003

Suns: Amar'e Stoudemire, Scott Williams
Lakers: Shaquille O'neal, Robert Horry
Mavs: Dirk Nowitzki, Eduardo Najera
Nets: Kenyon Martin, Jason Collins

2005

Denver: Kenyon Martin, Nene Hilario
Seattle: Jerome James, Reggie Evans
Suns: Amar'e Stoudemire, Shawn Marion
Pistons: Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace

2007

Denver: Nene Hilario, Marcus Camby
Suns: Amar'e Stoudemire, Kurt Thomas
Jazz: Mehemet Okur, Carlos Boozer
Cleveland: Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Anderson Verajao

2014

Dallas: Dirk Nowitzki, Samuel Dalembert
Blazers: LaMarcus Aldridge, Robin Lopez
OKC: Kendrick Perkins, Serge Ibaka
Miami: Chris Bosh, Chris Anderson


Now that that is done, can you REALLY honestly say that Kobe has indeed had the tougher road? Here is another gem for you. Kobe Bryant started playing basketball when he was 3. Duncan started playing basketball when he was in 9th grade. The sad part is that we are even having this discussion about which player is better when you compare someone who has played the game almost his entire life and another one who started basketball as a second option in high school. Perhaps Kobe's road is tougher. After all that Bean has done, he will still be in the shadow of a player who only took up basketball because of a hurricane in 1989.


Since you're cherry picking just the play-offs let me burst your ass bubble....all the players you mention that Duncan went through Kobe had to deal with the same players plus the ones you selected for him. Fact is ALL positions on the court including the center defend and collapse on the 2 guard....conversely only the 4-5 will defend the 4 or 5 positions...Duncan didn't have to worry about PG's, SG's, or SF's trying to defend him whereas Kobe had to worry about ALL postions either defending on or collapsing in on him to defend. Again Hakeem was on the money with his take that the 2 guard position is the hardest position in ALL of basketball. I just shat all over your well thought out argument.

These are just some of the talents Kobe had to deal with. :lol Plus all the ones you mentioned for Tammy :lol

Offensive side: Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

Defensive side: Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum

[xellos88330]

Since you're cherry picking just the play-offs let me burst your ass bubble....all the players you mention that Duncan went through Kobe had to deal with the same players plus the ones you selected for him. Fact is ALL positions on the court including the center defend and collapse on the 2 guard....conversely only the 4-5 will defend the 4 or 5 positions...Duncan didn't have to worry about PG's, SG's, or SF's trying to defend him whereas Kobe had to worry about ALL postions either defending on or collapsing in on him to defend. Again Hakeem was on the money with his take that the 2 guard position is the hardest position in ALL of basketball. I just shat all over your well thought out argument.

These are just some of the talents Kobe had to deal with. :lol

Offensive side: Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

Defensive side: Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum

The bolded statement that you made is completely ridiculous. Do you even watch basketball? Duncan always has to worry about weak side help or a defender dropping down from the perimeter to dig at him or double. Why don't they do it every time? Simple.... Duncan is THAT dangerous of a player. If he doesn't kill you down low, he will kill you with his pass to the open man. Shit on my argument???? Hell you made it even MORE impressive. Not only does Duncan command a double team, but makes teams worry about doubling him, he also defends the paint against EVERY offensive player in the league. How often does Duncan have to defend against a guard driving the lane, as opposed to how often Kobe has to defend a big in the post?

[xellos88330]

For someone that watches the Lakers I thought you would like to see this as an example of a PG dropping in to help Howard (DPOY) on Duncan.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/lakersnow/lat-lakers-spurs-la0009013261-20130414-photo.html

[xellos88330]

2 guard the toughest position in basketball? Let's see Kobe handle a season of 250+ pound giants trying to keep him out of the paint on both sides of the court.

EDIT: Actually, lets see him handle 17 seasons doing it.

[Koolaid_Man]

I just bumped a sweet thread for your dumb ass :lol

[xellos88330]

So you bumped a thread to prove my point even further? How many positions is he trying to stop?

[Koolaid_Man]

So you bumped a thread to prove my point even further? How many positions is he trying to stop?

He's a horrible defender....besides Kobe blocked his shot 3 times in the same dam game....Duncan is a putz compared to Kobe....sure Duncan's gonna get some blocks but he was really a pussy on the block that's why he had to work on that bank shot....Dude can't fuck with Kobe...there's a reason Kobe is mentioned with the best ever to play the game and Duncan is only mentioned as a best positional player...

[xellos88330]

I just bumped a sweet thread for your dumb ass :lol

Come on Kool.... answer my question. How many positions does Duncan have to defend again?

BhtORtWesAQ

How many positions are trying to guard Duncan?

[Koolaid_Man]

Come on Kool.... answer my question. How many positions does Duncan have to defend again?

BhtORtWesAQ

How many positions are trying to guard Duncan?
one...maybe 2....he tries but he gets dunked on so many fucking times till it's not even funny...When a 2 guard like Kobe is constantly dunking on you at every turn...it's time to rethink how good you are defensively.

[Koolaid_Man]

Duncan had a few decent games in his prime...but don't make me pull up Kobe's greatest games compared to Duncan....it will make Tammy look like shit

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm going to fade up into some rich white pussy....yall niggas have it till tomorrow....:lmao

[xellos88330]

one...maybe 2....he tries but he gets dunked on so many fucking times till it's not even funny...When a 2 guard like Kobe is constantly dunking on you at every turn...it's time to rethink how good you are defensively.

Duncan would rather get dunked on trying to stop something, then do this...

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[th3answ3r]

get a life

[Buddy Mignon]

Who exactly did Kobe play against in the title years?

2000

Kings: Jon Barry, Nick Anderson
Suns: Penny Hardaway, Todd Day, Jason Kidd
Blazers: Scottie Pippen, Steve Smith, Bonzi Wells,
Pacers: Reggie Miller, Jalen Rose

2001

Blazers: Steve Smith, Stacey Augmon
Kings: Doug Christie, Bobby Jackson
Spurs: Bruce Bowen, Derek Anderson, Antonio Daniels
Sixers: Allen Iverson, Aaron Mckie

2002

Blazers: Bonzi Wells, Derek Anderson
Spurs: Bruce Bowen, Antonio Daniels, Steve Smith
Kings: Bobby Jackson, Doug Christie
Nets: Kerry Kittles, Jason Kidd, Lucious Harris

2009

Jazz: Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer
Houston: Shane Battier, Ron Artest
Denver: Kenyon Martin, Carmelo Anthony, JR Smith, Dahntay Jones
Magic: Mickael Pietrus, Courtney Lee

2010

OKC: James Harden, Thabo Sefolosha
Jazz: Wesley Matthews, Kyle Korver
Suns: Grant Hill, Jason Richardson, Jared Dudley
Boston: Ray Allen, Tony Allen, Paul Pierce

Now, let us see who Tim Duncan was against during his title runs shall we?

1999

Wolves: Kevin Garnett, Joe Smith
Lakers: Robert Horry, Shaquille O'neal
Blazers: Rasheed Wallace, Brian Grant
Knicks: Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas

2003

Suns: Amar'e Stoudemire, Scott Williams
Lakers: Shaquille O'neal, Robert Horry
Mavs: Dirk Nowitzki, Eduardo Najera
Nets: Kenyon Martin, Jason Collins

2005

Denver: Kenyon Martin, Nene Hilario
Seattle: Jerome James, Reggie Evans
Suns: Amar'e Stoudemire, Shawn Marion
Pistons: Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace

2007

Denver: Nene Hilario, Marcus Camby
Suns: Amar'e Stoudemire, Kurt Thomas
Jazz: Mehemet Okur, Carlos Boozer
Cleveland: Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Anderson Verajao

2014

Dallas: Dirk Nowitzki, Samuel Dalembert
Blazers: LaMarcus Aldridge, Robin Lopez
OKC: Kendrick Perkins, Serge Ibaka
Miami: Chris Bosh, Chris Anderson


Now that that is done, can you REALLY honestly say that Kobe has indeed had the tougher road? Here is another gem for you. Kobe Bryant started playing basketball when he was 3. Duncan started playing basketball when he was in 9th grade. The sad part is that we are even having this discussion about which player is better when you compare someone who has played the game almost his entire life and another one who started basketball as a second option in high school. Perhaps Kobe's road is tougher. After all that Bean has done, he will still be in the shadow of a player who only took up basketball because of a hurricane in 1989.


No one gives a rats ass why Jim took up playing hoops over being a fisherman. An Outlier becomes a master at his craft after roughly 10 years of practicing. Jim's 4 years of failing in college makes up for the years Kobe spent playing before Jim. By the way... if you're going to make a list at least be honest about who was present. How convenient of you to leave 5 future HOF'ers off of Kobe's list, and also Bruce Bowen who was his toughest defender.

[elmanutres]

one...maybe 2....he tries but he gets dunked on so many fucking times till it's not even funny...When a 2 guard like Kobe is constantly dunking on you at every turn...it's time to rethink how good you are defensively.

that's just the nature of the position. even a guy like hakeem got dunked on, but he just took it and went on.

[Strange Love]

This looks like a copy pasta from Lakersground. Very legit. :tu

[ehz33satx]

OP has the Spurs and Tim Duncan on the brain from the time he starts posting early in the morning till late at night. Spurs Spurs Spurs morning noon and night.

[TDMVPDPOY]

tougher mentality cause he had to take the dick and lick man ass during snaq days...then trading in for a llama for a couple of years...

[xellos88330]

No one gives a rats ass why Jim took up playing hoops over being a fisherman. An Outlier becomes a master at his craft after roughly 10 years of practicing. Jim's 4 years of failing in college makes up for the years Kobe spent playing before Jim. By the way... if you're going to make a list at least be honest about who was present. How convenient of you to leave 5 future HOF'ers off of Kobe's list, and also Bruce Bowen who was his toughest defender.

I posted the 2's because Kobe is a 2. It really is that simple. Perhaps you are the one that needs to be honest. Should I post all the players that were outside of Duncan PF/C position? Players like Latrell Sprewell, Alan Houston, Larry Johnson, Jason Kidd, Dikembe Mutombo, Rip Hamilton, Chauncey Billups, Tayshaun Prince, Ray Allen, LeBron James, Antonio McDyess. These are just some of the good players in just the Finals series off the top of my head.

To make things simpler and just negate position outright due to your complaint. Both players have played against the same NBA teams for a vast majority of their career. Who has the best winning percentage? Everyone can agree that great players know how to win right?

[TDMVPDPOY]

2001 spurs...derek anderson was out of that series even b4 it begun...

[mavsfan1000]

Duncan>Snack>Kobe.

[xellos88330]

No one gives a rats ass why Jim took up playing hoops over being a fisherman. An Outlier becomes a master at his craft after roughly 10 years of practicing. Jim's 4 years of failing in college makes up for the years Kobe spent playing before Jim. By the way... if you're going to make a list at least be honest about who was present. How convenient of you to leave 5 future HOF'ers off of Kobe's list, and also Bruce Bowen who was his toughest defender.

WTF???

Kobe Bryant current age = 35
Kobe Bryant starting age = 3
Therefore, 35 - 3 = 32 years of total basketball experience

Tim Duncan current age = 38
Tim Duncan starting age = 13
Therefore, 38 - 13 = 25 years of total basketball experience.

The difference between both players' total basketball experience. Kobe: 32 Tim: 25 A difference of 7 years.

By the way.... TOTAL basketball experience includes Duncan's college years.

[LakasRool4eva]

Kobe has overcome sooooooooooooooooo much.............he's had soooooo many injuries and still wins...................what do you think about that?????

[Cry Havoc]

VNvmLnvsIdw

[xellos88330]

To further my point... How many DPOY have been perimeter players Bryant and Duncan were in the league? Only two. Ron Artest and Gary Payton. The rest just so happen to be C's and PF's.

You can argue that Kobe would still have to face them inside the paint, but he doesn't have to EVERY single time down the court due to his 3pt range. He can avoid challenging them if he wants to. Duncan doesn't have that choice due to his limited range and ALWAYS has to face players like that.

"Kobe has more points than Duncan!!!"

Of course he does... there is weaker defense where Kobe plays. He isn't matched up against DPOY's on a consistent basis. Here is my evidence...

According to Basketball-reference.com http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html#shooting::none

In Kobe Bryants best scoring year (2005-06 he averaged 35.4 PPG) he took an average of 20.7 shots inside of 2pt range. 20% (4.1 attempts) of those shots came within 0-3 feet of the basket and 8.3% (1.7 attempts) of them came within 3-10 feet. This is where the best defensive players tend to live. So Kobe challenged the teams defensive anchors only 5.8 times per game scoring an average of 5.7 points in big man territory. So roughly 16% of his scoring game within 10 feet of the basket. 84% of his scoring was done so avoiding the bigs in the paint.

Now lets work on Duncan shall we?

Tim Duncan had his best scoring year in 2001-2002 when he averaged 25.5 PPG according to Basketball-Reference.com http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html#shooting::none

He attempted 18.2 shots per game inside 2pt range. 31.1% (5.6 attempts) of his shots were taken within 0-3 feet. 33.7% (6.1 shots) of his attempts were within 3-10 feet. So he was challenging the same defensive anchors 11.5 times per game scoring an average of 13.4 PPG (52.7% of his points) in the teeth of the defense.

[xellos88330]

Kobe has overcome sooooooooooooooooo much.............he's had soooooo many injuries and still wins...................what do you think about that?????

Tim Duncan has a degenerative knee condition and even had to change the way he runs to play longer. He also has a coach that refuses to let him play longer minutes. And guess what..... HE HAS STILL WON MORE THAN KOBE!!!! What do you think about that?

[xellos88330]

VNvmLnvsIdw

That was hilarious!!! Gasol is wide open for the dunk. Kobe is such a mental midget when it comes to understanding how a team sport is meant to be played.

[xellos88330]

LOL!!! Even Nate Robinson in his best year scored a higher percentage of his points in the paint than Kobe did at 20.5%

[Spurs 4 The Win]

A day or 2 ago I heard the radio asking the question "Who had the better career Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan?" First of all let me say that you typically hear Tim Duncan's name in the conversation of "Who's the best power forward ever?" but you typically hear Kobe Bryant's name in the conversation "Who's the best PLAYER ever?" By that agrument alone Kobe Bryant had the better career.....but also when I look at everything Kobe has had to OVERCOME. It's a no brainer that Kobe's the superior talent.


Both were drafted to good organizations, played under outstanding coaches, and played next to NBA greats early and often in their careers. However, when I think about the road Kobe has traveled (all the critics of his game, separating himself from the shadow of Shaq, Phil Jackson leaving, the false rape scandal, having to fill the void of MJ in order for the NBA to survive, multiple injuries) Kobe's simply had to be much more physically and mentally tougher. The 2 guard position (that Hakeem said is the toughest position in all of basketball) The defenders and offensive players he faced in comparison is another reason to give Kobe the nod.


Tim Duncan has stayed the course very well in his career by resting for long stretches at a time and playing under the same system and coach his entire career....but Kobe has SURVIVED and OVERCOME the course. I'm open to hearing any reason why someone would disagree but for me the answer is simply Kobe Bryant.

Plus Kobe is still married. :toast

Are you seriously giving Kobe's resume a boost based on the fact he had to endure a self inflicted rape scandal and Duncan didnt.... Are you fucking retarded....

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Boiled Down::

Duncan: 5-1 (83%)

TOSB Kobe: 5-2 (72%)

[ElNono]

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[moisaenz]

Haha another failed threat , if Kobe's legacy is so great there would not be a need to defend it. Shame on the idiots that have answered to such a troll thread.

[xellos88330]

Kobe Bryant is a professional basketball player. That is his CAREER. He is not a GM, he is not a coach, he is not his teammates, he is not a serial rapist. He is KOBE BRYANT, PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYER!!! He gets paid to play on the basketball court. THAT is his career.

Tim Duncan is also a professional basketball player who is paid to play on the basketball court. That is what should be judged to have this discussion. Not any of that off the court bullshit and organizational problems, or keeping your dick in your pants. You are paid to play, and your play is what defines your basketball career.

Comparing careers isn't comparing fucking biographies. It is about basketball performance, and nothing more. Judging by basketball performance, Tim Duncan has had the better CAREER, while Kobe Bryant had the better SIDESHOW.

[xellos88330]

Haha another failed threat , if Kobe's legacy is so great there would not be a need to defend it. Shame on the idiots that have answered to such a troll thread.

So, I am an idiot for having some fun? Heh.... welcome to the club since you posted here my friend. :toast

[xellos88330]

So, I guess this means that I win Kool?

[kobe4life]

You also have to factor that God is more exciting than Duncan. God has these great moves that kids want to learn while no kid wants to learn a boring ass bankshot. Exciting players are always better than boring players that is just how it goes.

[xellos88330]

You also have to factor that God is more exciting than Duncan. God has these great moves that kids want to learn while no kid wants to learn a boring ass bankshot. Exciting players are always better than boring players that is just how it goes.

It still doesn't change the fact that Duncan had the better career. Kobe just has the better sideshow.

[maverick1948]

Come on Kool.... answer my question. How many positions does Duncan have to defend again?

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How many positions are trying to guard Duncan?

Did anyone notice the passing of the Spurs? Doesn't look like that much has changed In the offense.