God is not Dead

[DMC]

Avante and his family seem so fucking corny and boring(along with fat and ugly, of course), tbh:lol..
Imagine how many times they've had to listen to him regale them about the long list of black athletes he wished he could be.

[xmas1997]

so you take some parts of the bible literally, but other parts figuratively.

of course. again, that's why this is a discussion of your beliefs. i've never asked you to tell me exactly what happened. i've always just asked for your beliefs. it seems you have moved on from those nonsensical arguments and are being a bit clearer about your belief system :tu

I never meant to come off as being vague, it is just that the subject matter is vague, except to those who either must view it as all being literal, or none of it as being real.
Nothing in life is black or white, and so it is with books of this nature.
And it is even more probable IMHO that these sorts of books are jam packed with very mystical truths that are not easy to glean at first, second, or even fiftieth scan.
There are those who spend their whole lives studying books like these and just get a cursory naive knowledge of it and never the true deeper significance IMHO.
And then there are many theologians who have theories and hypotheses of the allegorical literary style that was used back then.

[Franklin]

Avante and his family seem so fucking corny and boring(along with fat and ugly, of course), tbh:lol..
Just because his family don't practice sodomy or fellatio like yours do?

[DMC]

I never meant to come off as being vague, it is just that the subject matter is vague, except to those who either must view it as all being literal, or none of it as being real.
Nothing in life is black or white, and so it is with books of this nature.
And it is even more probable IMHO that these sorts of books are jam packed with very mystical truths that are not easy to glean at first, second, or even fiftieth scan.
There are those who spend their whole lives studying books like these and just get a cursory naive knowledge of it and never the true deeper significance IMHO.
And then there are many theologians who have theories and hypotheses of the allegorical literary style that was used back then.

For sake of integrity, if the Bible isn't the infallible word of God, it's just a series of books loosely based on some vague historical events, entrenched in mythology and magic. Calling it allegory doesn't relieve if of that burden. If it's not a true depiction of historical events, it's no better than any other allegory written by mortals. I mean, unless you think you can both call the book not true and true at the same time, as if it's an encyclopedia where things can be wrong without everything being wrong.

It's not like the book being infallible is concept that was invented recently. Why the new twist on a 2000 year old set of books? Did the last 2000 years not leave a nice lasting imprint of the facts of the book?

[xmas1997]

For sake of integrity, if the Bible isn't the infallible word of God, it's just a series of books loosely based on some vague historical events, entrenched in mythology and magic. Calling it allegory doesn't relieve if of that burden. If it's not a true depiction of historical events, it's no better than any other allegory written by mortals. I mean, unless you think you can both call the book not true and true at the same time, as if it's an encyclopedia where things can be wrong without everything being wrong.

It's not like the book being infallible is concept that was invented recently. Why the new twist on a 2000 year old set of books? Did the last 2000 years not leave a nice lasting imprint of the facts of the book?

I would question who first postulated it was infallible, and then why.
Calling it allegory is too simple for modern day classifications.
Back then it was a literary style of writing much different than today's allegorical writings from what most theologians tell us and the symbolisms contained in it were much more obscured and harder to decipher now than it was back then to the common religious scholar back then as well.
Now we have educated guesses at best what they were intending. As I said, such as two brothers being code for two mountain peaks, or two rivers, or two cities. The symbolism makes little sense to us now, where when it was written it may have made perfect sense to them.
Plus the book itself is a compilation of many books and gospels and epistles, and as we have since discovered, many were left out.
Why is that?

[it's me]

There is a certain amount of truth to that statement IMHO.
Times change, and so does the morals evolve with the times.

What's your definition of truth?

[it's me]

I never meant to come off as being vague, it is just that the subject matter is vague, except to those who either must view it as all being literal, or none of it as being real.
Nothing in life is black or white, and so it is with books of this nature.
And it is even more probable IMHO that these sorts of books are jam packed with very mystical truths that are not easy to glean at first, second, or even fiftieth scan.
There are those who spend their whole lives studying books like these and just get a cursory naive knowledge of it and never the true deeper significance IMHO.
And then there are many theologians who have theories and hypotheses of the allegorical literary style that was used back then.

Define truth please.

[pgardn]

its impossible to sway somebody's beliefs about God, since it's ultimately based on faith anyway, as opposed to hard evidence. it can boil down to people trying to prove/disprove god's existence, but its up to the individuals if they choose to make the leap of faith or not

the main thing that gets on my nerves is when people argue certain scientific points when they have zero grasp of the concept at hand


^

Totally agree except it no longer bothers me really.

The total misrepresentation having read absolutely nothing. And then using science and reasoning for other claims, especially human health. This insert animal of your choice -----> man is tiresome and ridiculous.

Anyway, subjects degrade rather quickly in this forum I see. And the personal wars are so repetitive and monotonous.
Flee.

[Blake]

I would question who first postulated it was infallible, and then why.


The Bible did.


2 Timothy 3:16-17New International Version (NIV)

16*All Scripture is God-breathed*and is useful for teaching,rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness


Proverbs 30:5New International Version (NIV)

5*“Every word of God is flawless;****he is a shield*to those who take refuge in him.

[xmas1997]

its impossible to sway somebody's beliefs about God, since it's ultimately based on faith anyway, as opposed to hard evidence. it can boil down to people trying to prove/disprove god's existence, but its up to the individuals if they choose to make the leap of faith or not

the main thing that gets on my nerves is when people argue certain scientific points when they have zero grasp of the concept at hand

This goes both ways by the way, and you can include philosophy and logic in the mix with scientific and religious subjects.

Many have a cursory knowledge of these subjects but from what I have read very few on here have extensive knowledge, no offense intended to anyone, even the trolls.

What we do have and know can certainly be shared without the hostility and ridicule, which is all one can hope for under the circumstances.

Like most, I do not claim to know more than what I have been taught and experienced.

[Blake]

:cry :cry
What we do have and know can certainly be shared without the hostility and ridicule, which is all one can hope for under the circumstances.:cry :cry

[xmas1997]

I believe this.
Do you?
If so, we can start from there.

[Blake]

I believe this.
Do you?
If so, we can start from there.

I'm not ridiculing you for being stupid. I'm simply pointing it out.

[xmas1997]

I'm not ridiculing you for being stupid. I'm simply pointing it out.

More trolling, and more lying.

That is what I thought.

It is astounding how ignorant, destructive, and negative some people can show themselves to be when their true colors shine forth, and you take the cake when it comes to that.

I try to be nice to them, and they mistake the kindness for vulnerability and then proceed to kick sand in my face.

This is all you ever do, and then others wonder why I am always bashing you for being a liar and a troll.

That is all you are, and all you will ever be, plus all you will ever achieve and aspire to.

:lmao

[Blake]

:cry

[it's me]

I believe this.
Do you?
If so, we can start from there.

Would you please define truth? It seem like you use the word quite often, you should have a definite meaning for it right?

[xmas1997]

Would you please define truth? It seem like you use the word quite often, you should have a definite meaning for it right?

Here is a definition from the internet: "In philosophy, the property of statements, thoughts, or propositions that are said, in ordinary discourse, to agree with the facts or to state what is the case."

[xmas1997]

.

[it's me]

Here is a definition from the internet: "In philosophy, the property of statements, thoughts, or propositions that are said, in ordinary discourse, to agree with the facts or to state what is the case."

That's one "philosophical" definition of truth. Do you agree 100 % with this "definition"? or.... are you capable of laying out your own definition of truth?

[xmas1997]

An idea, tenet, or statement that is accepted as being true.
But IMHO truth changes, or evolves, as new knowledge is brought forth to bear.
We are not talking about "absolute truth" here, rather just truth in general.

[it's me]

An idea, tenet, or statement that is accepted as being true.
But IMHO truth changes, or evolves, as new knowledge is brought forth to bear.
We are not talking about "absolute truth" here, rather just truth in general.

Ok.... lets see here.... so you use the "if an idea is accepted to be true, then it must be true" logic. For example.... the ganges river is a god for most Hindus, since it is an idea accepted as true for many.... therefore is it actually true? is the ganges a real god? what do you think?

So you say "truth changes, or evolves".... disagree. If something changed it wasn't true, it was believed to be true. Big difference.

What is absolute truth?

[xmas1997]

Ok.... lets see here.... so you use the "if an idea is accepted to be true, then it must be true" logic. For example.... the ganges river is a god for most Hindus, since it is an idea accepted as true for many.... therefore is it actually true? is the ganges a real god? what do you think?

So you say "truth changes, or evolves".... disagree. If something changed it wasn't true, it was believed to be true. Big difference.

What is absolute truth?

Hold on. I don't mean to get technical with semantics, but you used the "if" word. Where did that come from?

I said IMHO truth evolves with the times as more knowledge is brought to bear on it.
Just because the Ganges is considered a god to a certain section of people does not necessarily make it truth to us, even though it is a truth to them.

I agree with you.
And "if" (that transitional word again) something (a truth in this case) changes and evolves due to further and heretofore unknown knowledge and evidence, then it is no longer truth, and as you say "wasn't true", thus the newer conception may become the accepted truth.
And yet still further knowledge may replace that newer conception of "accepted" truth to become an even newer version of truth.
Again, I am not referring to "absolute truth" here, but the majority of what is accepted to be the truth.
Once upon a time the earth was thought to be flat.
That was the "accepted truth" of the times, but it was replaced with an absolute truth that the earth is more or less round.
I would say that absolute truth is truth that is beyond dispute and always valid regardless of context or parameters.

[it's me]

Hold on. I don't mean to get technical with semantics, but you used the "if" word. Where did that come from?

I said IMHO truth evolves with the times as more knowledge is brought to bear on it.
Just because the Ganges is considered a god to a certain section of people does not necessarily make it truth to us, even though it is a truth to them.

I agree with you.
And "if" (that transitional word again) something (a truth in this case) changes and evolves due to further and heretofore unknown knowledge and evidence, then it is no longer truth, and as you say "wasn't true", thus the newer conception may become the accepted truth.
And yet still further knowledge may replace that newer conception of "accepted" truth to become an even newer version of truth.
Again, I am not referring to "absolute truth" here, but the majority of what is accepted to be the truth.
Once upon a time the earth was thought to be flat.
That was the "accepted truth" of the times, but it was replaced with an absolute truth that the earth is more or less round.
I would say that absolute truth is truth that is beyond dispute and always valid regardless of context or parameters.

Ok... so you believe jesus in fact died and resurrected. Is this an absolute truth for you? Or is it simply your truth? or what you believe to be true?

[xmas1997]

Ok... so you believe jesus in fact died and resurrected. Is this an absolute truth for you? Or is it simply your truth? or what you believe to be true?

It is an absolute truth to me.
I could find out later that I am wrong.
But at this time I see no evidence to the contrary.

[it's me]

It is an absolute truth to me.
I could find out later that I am wrong.
But at this time I see no evidence to the contrary.

Fair enough.

[ChumpDumper]

It is an absolute truth to me.
I could find out later that I am wrong.
But at this time I see no evidence to the contrary.What is the evidence supporting it?

[it's me]

What is the evidence supporting it?

Bible freaks work the other way around... they first believe shit, and don't care about evidence ("without faith it is impossible to please god") then some will stop believing when shit is debunked aka epilepsy-demon possession sort of thing, but most wont stop believing even if they see evidence.

[DMC]

There is a certain amount of truth to that statement IMHO.
Times change, and so does the morals evolve with the times.

But God is considered by Christians to be timeless, ergo changeless and morals are considered by Christians to be absolute: what was wrong 3000 years ago is wrong today and so forth. You're saying that's not the case.

[xmas1997]

But God is considered by Christians to be timeless, ergo changeless and morals are considered by Christians to be absolute: what was wrong 3000 years ago is wrong today and so forth. You're saying that's not the case.

You're generalizing again, saying all Christians believe exactly the same things. This is not true.

[DMC]

You're generalizing again, saying all Christians believe exactly the same things. This is not true.

1. You believe Jesus of Nazareth existed
2. You believe Jesus of Nazareth died on a cross
3. You believe Jesus of Nazareth rose from death
4. You believe John 3:16 to be true and you've accepted Jesus as your personal savior.


5. You might believe in virgin birth
6. You might therefore believe in the immaculate conception of Mary

7. You probably believe that Jesus healed people through faith
8. You probably believe that Jesus could actually walk on water
9. You probably believe that Jesus visited Hell
10. You probably believe that God spoke to Paul of Tarsus.
11. You probably believe in forgiveness and in the book of the Revelations of John.

All of that comes from the same book you say is laced with allegory. Still, out of those allegories you extract supernatural things, so why is it necessary to refer to other supernatural events in the book as allegory, and since you've stated that morals evolve, why do you consider the events of the OT that we now consider to be immoral acts, that were commanded by God, to be allegories and not facts?

[Blake]

You're generalizing again, saying all Christians believe exactly the same things. This is not true.

If you have to cherry pick the good stuff out of your book and pretend the bad stuff is just allegory, then your book is untrustworthy from start to finish.

[Avante]

As we all can see, those who believe believe, those who don't don't. Nothing said on an internet site is changing shit. All we come away with is it sucks being an dumbass atheist.

[Blake]

As we all can see, those who believe believe, those who don't don't. Nothing said on an internet site is changing shit. All we come away with is it sucks being an dumbass atheist.

Why is it so great for you to be a deist?

[ohmwrecker]

I am perfectly happy without faith in god.

[Avante]

I am perfectly happy without faith in god.

I bet your parents believed in a God, didn't they?

[xmas1997]

As we all can see, those who believe believe, those who don't don't. Nothing said on an internet site is changing shit. All we come away with is it sucks being an dumbass atheist.

Actually I don't have these sorts of confrontations in the real world, we all get along and respect each others beliefs and opinions just fine.
And it doesn't happen on other sites that I frequent on the internet either.
Nope, this is the only site it happens on IMHO.
I blame it on fanaticism from both sides of the fence.
And to be honest it is ONLY the atheists who are getting their panties in an uproar.
The Christians and other theists could care less and are not getting upset in the slightest.
In fact most of us are laughing at the atheists for making such a big over exaggerated deal about it.
What does that tell you about the atheists?
:lmao

[Blake]

I am perfectly happy without faith in god.

Plenty of miserable religious people in the world as well.

[ohmwrecker]

I bet your parents believed in a God, didn't they?

Not my dad. My mom tries to combine her faith with science.

[ohmwrecker]

Plenty of miserable religious people in the world as well.

Truth.

[xmas1997]

Plenty of miserable religious people in the world as well.

You could have fooled me.
The ones getting all upset and melting down on this site are the atheists.
Why is that?
:lmao

[ohmwrecker]

You could have fooled me.
The ones getting all upset and melting down on this site are the atheists.
Why is that?
:lmao

Your perception is really out of whack.

[xmas1997]

Not my dad. My mom tries to combine her faith with science.

I'm pretty sure she succeeds admirably, most of us do, and without much problem at all, in fact it is quite easy.
It is the atheists on this site who are all upset and melting down.
None of the rest of us are.
We Christians and theists on this site are quite content to get along and share what we have to share with those who have open minds and the intelligence and maturity to approach this subject with respect for both sides.
Isn't that the adult way to go about this?
:lmao

[Avante]

Actually I don't have these sorts of confrontations in the real world, we all get along and respect each others beliefs and opinions just fine.
And it doesn't happen on other sites that I frequent on the internet either.
Nope, this is the only site it happens on IMHO.
I blame it on fanaticism from both sides of the fence.
And to be honest it is ONLY the atheists who are getting their panties in an uproar.
The Christians and other theists could care less and are not getting upset in the slightest.
In fact most of us are laughing at the atheists for making such a big over exaggerated deal about it.
What does that tell you about the atheists?
:lmao

Most those I know who believe take this..."poor misguided folks, you just have to pity them"...pertaining to atheists. While most the ateists I know are chronic complainers and there's always some turmoil going on in their life.

Notice how the trolls, dummies, leechs here are all atheists? Notice how they have no class and are very limited?

[ohmwrecker]

I'm pretty sure she succeeds admirably, most of us do, and without much problem at all, in fact it is quite easy.
It is the atheists on this site who are all upset and melting down.
None of the rest of us are.
We Christians and theists on this site are quite content to get along and share what we have to share with those who have open minds and the intelligence and maturity to approach this subject with respect for both sides.
Isn't that the adult way to go about this?
:lmao

Yes. You are very "adult". We could all learn a thing or two from you.

[Avante]

Not my dad. My mom tries to combine her faith with science.

So your mom does believe in God, right? She goes to a church not a lab, right?

[xmas1997]

Your perception is really out of whack.

Case in point, all upset that someone on here believes in God.
I could care less whether you do or not.
But it sure is important to you and your fellow atheists that I and others do.
Just go back and read any thread about this subject.
You atheists indict yourselves.
:lmao

[ohmwrecker]

I'm not sure that I've seen anyone identify themselves as an atheist. I certainly haven't. I don't see anyone "melting down" either.

[2pac > Kobe]

god is real guys fuck

[it's me]

Atheists not capable of being happy according to bible freaks.:lmao

[ohmwrecker]

Case in point, all upset that someone on here believes in God.
I could care less whether you do or not.
But it sure is important to you and your fellow atheists that I and others do.
Just go back and read any thread about this subject.
You atheists indict yourselves.
:lmao

I was referring to your perception of what is happening here on this thread, forum, website et al. Not your perception of existence.

[it's me]

god is real guys fuck

which god?

[xmas1997]

I'm not sure that I've seen anyone identify themselves as an atheist. I certainly haven't. I don't see anyone "melting down" either.

Then you either have not read any of these threads, or you have a major problem with reading comprehension.
Either way, all we can do is laugh and pity you.
I was unhappy like you guys once too.
:lmao

[2pac > Kobe]

which god?

the one that made me bro

[ohmwrecker]

Then you either have not read any of these threads, or you have a major problem with reading comprehension.
Either way, all we can do is laugh and pity you.
I was unhappy like you guys once too.
:lmao

I'm happy tbh. This is what I am referring to by your perception being way off.

[xmas1997]

Actually I don't have these sorts of confrontations in the real world, we all get along and respect each others beliefs and opinions just fine.
And it doesn't happen on other sites that I frequent on the internet either.
Nope, this is the only site it happens on IMHO.
I blame it on fanaticism from both sides of the fence.
And to be honest it is ONLY the atheists who are getting their panties in an uproar in here.
The Christians and other theists could care less and are not getting upset in the slightest.
In fact most of us are laughing at the atheists for making such a big over exaggerated deal about it.
What does that tell you about the atheists and nonbelievers on this site?
:lmao


I was referring to your perception of what is happening here on this thread, forum, website et al. Not your perception of existence.

In that case just read the quote above yours, especially the bold part.
:lol

[ohmwrecker]

That's your perception. I can tell you honestly that my perception and others are completely different. And . . . again. I am not an atheist.

[ohmwrecker]

Also, you can't quote yourself as evidence to the contrary of your own whacked out perception.

[Avante]

That's your perception. I can tell you honestly that my perception and others are completely different. And . . . again. I am not an atheist.

You don't believe in any God/Master Designer and aren't an atheist....right?

[it's me]

the one that made me bro

Who was it brah? there are many different gods ... even withing the bible.

[xmas1997]

I'm happy tbh. This is what I am referring to by your perception being way off.

From the way you and your fellow nonbelievers attack the believers with such rabid passion and hostility, you sure as hell leave a pretty vivid impression of being very unhappy.
And then why is it so hard for you and other nonbelievers to keep an open mind, discuss with due respect, and refrain from ridiculing someone on here merely because they believe in God?
No one of us are stupid on here, we all know your agendas.
:lol

[it's me]

You don't believe in any God/Master Designer and aren't an atheist....right?

:lmao ... bible freak but afraid to say it.

[ohmwrecker]

You don't believe in any God/Master Designer and aren't an atheist....right?

I don't totally deny the possibility. You are kind of dense, ain't ya.

[Blake]

From the way you and your fellow nonbelievers attack the believers with such rabid passion and hostility, you sure as hell leave a pretty vivid impression of being very unhappy.
And then why is it so hard for you and other nonbelievers to keep an open mind, discuss with due respect, and refrain from ridiculing someone on here merely because they believe in God?
No one of us are stupid on here, we all know your agendas.
:lol

I like how you put people on teams and play "we vs you" games.

It's fun.

[ohmwrecker]

From the way you and your fellow nonbelievers attack the believers with such rabid passion and hostility, you sure as hell leave a pretty vivid impression of being very unhappy.
And then why is it so hard for you and other nonbelievers to keep an open mind, discuss with due respect, and refrain from ridiculing someone on here merely because they believe in God?
No one of us are stupid on here, we all know your agendas.
:lol

I didn't ridicule anyone because they believe in god.

[xmas1997]

Also, you can't quote yourself as evidence to the contrary of your own whacked out perception.

I just did, and it is just your whacked out opinion that describes what you think my perception is the way you do, but it has no basis in reality.
If you need proof, which apparently you do, then read this thread, or any other thread on this subject.
The proof is all there in black and white.
:lmao

[Avante]

I don't totally deny the possibility. You are kind of dense, ain't ya.

You said this...
I am perfectly happy without faith in god.
Yep, I'm just dense, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! I should have known you actually meant.....you didn't totally deny the possibility....how'd I miss thay:lobt2:

[ohmwrecker]

It's really hard to have a rational conversation with you when you are this upset. No one is persecuting you. Stop being so paranoid.

[xmas1997]

I didn't ridicule anyone because they believe in god.

In that case, more power to you then, I applaud you.
It is too bad more can't take your example.

[ohmwrecker]

You said this...
I am perfectly happy without faith in god.
Yep, I'm just dense, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes. I did. It's true.

[2pac > Kobe]

Who was it brah? there are many different gods ... even withing the bible.
chill out guy, i dont read the bible or any of that bullshit, i just know that there is an afterlife n shit thats why i havent suicided

[Avante]

Yes. I did. It's true.

So I must be dense for not knowing you actually meant you weren't total.....hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ohmwrecker]

In that case, more power to you then, I applaud you.
It is too bad more can't take your example.

I only ridicule people when they are being purposefully obtuse and stupid. Like categorically denying science.

[ohmwrecker]

So I must be dense for not knowing you actually meant you weren't total.....hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No you are dense for not being able to distinguish a difference.

[Blake]

chill out guy, i dont read the bible or any of that bullshit, i just know that there is an afterlife n shit thats why i havent suicided

if there was a bad ass afterlife, there'd be a shit load of suicides.

[xmas1997]

It's really hard to have a rational conversation with you when you are this upset. No one is persecuting you. Stop being so paranoid.

If you are referring to me then you are making a wildly invalid "assumption" of my reaction.
I am just coldly reporting the facts as they occur with no emotional investment whatsoever.
And those facts are supported by the evidence inside every one of these threads with topics concerning God.
It is what it is.
And oddly enough, primarily on this site.
:lol

[pgardn]

chill out guy, i dont read the bible or any of that bullshit, i just know that there is an afterlife n shit thats why i havent suicided

You would kill yourself if you thought there was no afterlife?

[Avante]

Compare what science knew in 1678 compared to 1878, now compare what science knew in 1878 to right now, what do we come away with?

[ChumpDumper]

I like how you put people on teams and play "we vs you" games.

It's fun.

It's all a competition to him.

[ohmwrecker]

If you are referring to me then you are making a wildly invalid "assumption" of my reaction.
I am just coldly reporting the facts as they occur with no emotional investment whatsoever.
And those facts are supported by the evidence inside every one of these threads with topics concerning God.
It is what it is.
And oddly enough, primarily on this site.
:lol

That's a possibilty. However, I have theorized by your overuse of emoticons, "us vs. them" mentality, and your belief that "trolls" are persecuting you and your friends that you might be upset. I can also guarantee you that I'm not the only one who shares this perception.

[ohmwrecker]

Compare what science knew in 1678 compared to 1878, now compare what science knew in 1878 to right now, what do we come away with?

What's your point?

[ChumpDumper]

Compare what science knew in 1678 compared to 1878, now compare what science knew in 1878 to right now, what do we come away with?

That less and less phenomena are attributable to magic and gods.

[pgardn]

Compare what science knew in 1678 compared to 1878, now compare what science knew in 1878 to right now, what do we come away with?

The word science was not even used till the 19th century.

[Avante]

No you are dense for not being able to distinguish a difference.

Bullshit guy, ya fucked up and know it now you;re wiggling around. You said you had no faith in God, nothing remotely close to ....I;m not totally denying the possiblity. So cool your stupid bullshit.

[ohmwrecker]

The word science was not even used till the 19th century.

I've never encountered someone who is so willfully ignorant.

[RD2191]

Bullshit guy, ya fucked up and know it now you;re wiggling around. You said you had no faith in God, nothing remotely close to ....I;m not totally denying the possiblity. So cool your stupid bullshit.
:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Bullshit guy, ya fucked up and know it now you;re wiggling around. You said you had no faith in God, nothing remotely close to ....I;m not totally denying the possiblity. So cool your stupid bullshit.He hasn't denied the possibility. Faith is not necessary to be open to a possibility.

[Avante]

What's your point?

It isn't obvious?

The science of 1600 was wrong about a lot of things, just like the science of 1800 and the science of today. Or, they didn't know about something they should have. So there is a reason to question science.

[ohmwrecker]

Bullshit guy, ya fucked up and know it now you;re wiggling around. You said you had no faith in God, nothing remotely close to ....I;m not totally denying the possiblity. So cool your stupid bullshit.

No. I don't live my daily life with a faith in god. It doesn't affect me at all. I don't deny that god exists. It seems unlikely, but I just don't know . . . and neither do you. It's the faith that is missing. Get it?

[xmas1997]

I only ridicule people when they are being purposefully obtuse and stupid. Like categorically denying science.

I know very few, in fact, none, zip, zero, Christians and believers in God who deny science.
In fact I have many believer and Cristian friends who work in the science fields, and some who are nonbelievers as well, and none of them act the way the nonbelievers do here on this site.
That strikes me as being very telling.


if there was a bad ass afterlife, there'd be a shit load of suicides.

Case in point ^. Nothing blake ever utters is not ridicule. He is a very unhappy person IMHO.

[pgardn]

I've never encountered someone who is so willfully ignorant.

I find that the discussions concerning science, religion, philosophy, to be fairly unsatisfying in the so called club.
This will lead me to bid this section adieu.

[ChumpDumper]

It isn't obvious?

The science of 1600 was wrong about a lot of things, just like the science of 1800 and the science of today. Or, they didn't know about something they should have. So there is a reason to question science.
Religion turned out to be more wrong and persecuted people who proved it wrong.

[ohmwrecker]

I know very few, in fact, none, zip, zero, Christians and believers in God who deny science.
In fact I have many believer and Cristian friends who work in the science fields, and some who are nonbelievers as well, and none of them act the way the nonbelievers do here on this site.
That strikes me as being very telling.

First of all, most of what occurs on this site is not any kind of reality. Given that, I have seen enough "christians" here ":lol science" to know that your perception is not true.

[Avante]

No. I don't live my daily life with a faith in god. It doesn't affect me at all. I don't deny that god exists. It seems unlikely, but I just don't know . . . and neither do you. It's the faith that is missing. Get it?

That's a lot different than saying....I have no faith in God. That pretty says you don't believe in God. Not.....oh sure He could be out there but I don't live my lif...yakyakyak.

[ohmwrecker]

That's a lot different than saying....I have no faith in God. That pretty says you don't believe in God. Not.....oh sure He could be out there but I don't live my lif...yakyakyak.

No, it's exactly the same. I just had to explain it more specifically for you to understand it. I never said whatever it is you are trying to communicate in that bolded part. What is that?

[xmas1997]

I like how you put people on teams and play "we vs you" games.

It's fun.


It's all a competition to him.

And two more cases in point that prove my contention.
Both of these statements are blatant lies by blatant liars because they are mixing up and equating assumptions with facts.
The facts are neither one could be further from the truth.
But the truth does not matter to either of them, that is obvious from their many posts spouting blatant lies in their vain attempts to discredit.
These two are among the most unhappy of posters on this site IMHO.
I pity them both.
I spend half my time wading through and exposing their lies concerning me alone, much less their lies about others on here.
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

And two more cases in point that prove my contention.
Both of these statements are blatant lies by blatant liars because they are mixing up and equating assumptions with facts.
The facts are neither one could be further from the truth.
But the truth does not matter to either of them, that is obvious from their many posts spouting blatant lies in their vain attempts to discredit.
These two are among the most unhappy of posters on this site IMHO.
I pity them both.
I spend half my time wading through and exposing their lies concerning me alone, much less their lies about others on here.
:lmaoCrusade post.

[Avante]

No, it's exactly the same. I just had to explain it more specifically for you to understand it. I never said whatever it is you are trying to communicate in that bolded part. What is that?

Trust me guy when somebody says......I have no faith in God........you're going to assume they don't believe in God.

So you were saying......yes I believe in God and know how it works but the hell with that.

Come on man how about..."damn I;d forgotten I said I had no faith in God, how do I get out of this...hmmm?....Avante you're dense.....that'll work.

[xmas1997]

First of all, most of what occurs on this site is not any kind of reality. Given that, I have seen enough "christians" here ":lol science" to know that your perception is not true.

And I agree with you about the "reality" part on this, and sites like this. In fact I have said as much on many an occasion here. I usually also caution not to take oneself so seriously as well and refer to Pops mantra.
But there are Christians here as educated and more so as those who are unbelievers on this site IMHO. I have had discussions with them.
To be fair there are many unbelievers on here who have very open minds and respect for their opposites, but I was referring to the vast majority of unbelievers on here whose only agenda is to ridicule, distort what we say, and misquote or take our quotes out of context.
We, and they, know who they are, they do it all the time with thousands of negative, lying, destructive, and demeaning posts to show for it.
I have, and do not need to have any emotional investment in it in order to be able to report on it.
It just is what it is.
:lol

[ohmwrecker]

Trust me guy when somebody says......I have no faith in God........you're going to assume they don't believe in God.

So you were saying......yes I believe in God and know how it works but the hell with that.

Come on man how about..."damn I;d forgotten I said I had no faith in God, how do I get out of this...hmmm?....Avante you're dense.....that'll work.

You are the only one who is failing to understand the concept. What does that tell you?

[Fpoonsie]

This thread went 12 pages.

God MUST be dead.

[Avante]

You are the only one who is failing to understand the concept. What does that tell you?

Dude, just stop it...ok? Ya fucked up and it was real obvious.ok? So cool the crap, alright man? NOBODY....believes n God and says..."I have no faith in God"...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You really are pathetic.

[Avante]

This thread went 12 pages.

God MUST be dead.

Take notes little fella.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237563

[it's me]

chill out guy, i dont read the bible or any of that bullshit, i just know that there is an afterlife n shit thats why i havent suicided

So you don't read the bible and that bullshit but believe in the afterlife? why the hell you haven't killed yourself yet? you could be enjoying the afterlife without the biblical condemnation for suicide.

[leemajors]

This thread went 12 pages.

God MUST be dead.

:lol

[ohmwrecker]

Dude, just stop it...ok? Ya fucked up and it was real obvious.ok? So cool the crap, alright man? NOBODY....believes n God and says..."I have no faith in God"...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You really are pathetic.

That's not what I said. This is your go to tactic when faced with something that you can't understand. You do it all the time and everyone has seen you do it. You are just spinning your wheels in your own shit.

[ColinB]

I didn't read this thread, but has anyone seen Fireproof? Modern day classic. This film can't compare.