God is not Dead

[Avante]

My MIL is a religious fanatic, everything is "praise the Lord", "I'll pray for it"...but she's nice and sweet. So she buys this movie.."God is not Dead". There are football games on and she wants me and Judy to watch this flick with her. Wel since the games will be reshown and I could DVR....fuck it.

I was prepared to be bored shitless for a couple hours if I could stay awake.

Well I'll be damn, not bad, not bad at all. Actually I highly recommend it to all you miserable atheists out there.

This college professor is trying to sell there is no God to his class, all but one of his students are buying into his shit, so that one student takes on the professor, his job is to prove there is a God.

Check it out.

[kobe4life]

You are right there is a God and he plays for the Lakers.

[Avante]

You are right there is a God and he plays for the Lakers.

"Kobe is God"

he didn't need no Kentucky
or UCLA
coming right out of high school
the boy was ready to play

he had game
and all could see
now add that cool name
Kobe

he could shoot
dribble and pass
and he was quick
leaving defenders on their ass

some say he's God
here on earth
others say he's just a baskeball player
no virgin giving him birth

[lefty]

He could pass
He choose not to

[xmas1997]

He's pretty much over the hill on the downside of his career, injuries showed how human he is, happens to all the greats, happened to Jordan, and will happen to Lebron.

[bigzak25]

I heard the movie was good too.

[xmas1997]

Interesting premiss. Going to piss a lot of atheists off.

[Blake]

Interesting premiss. Going to piss a lot of atheists off.

no it won't

[xmas1997]

no it won't

Pissed you off.
:lmao

[benefactor]

Read a few reviews after it came out. Seems most non-religious folks said it was filled with unintentional comedy.

[Fpoonsie]

no it won't

[Aztecfan03]

Read a few reviews after it came out. Seems most non-religious folks said it was filled with unintentional comedy.

Yeah, i there are definitely parts i would imagine athiests would make fun of.

[Avante]

Read a few reviews after it came out. Seems most non-religious folks said it was filled with unintentional comedy.

What's it's actually filled with is a ton of logic that no atheist can dispute. For every...well it was actually like this..from an atheist professor, would get knocked down by.......oh really, well what about......by a Christian student.

[Franklin]

Even if God was alive at one time, he would've already committed suicide knowing that his title was stolen and given to a rapist, tbh.

[Blake]

Pissed you off.
:lmao

No

[Blake]

What's it's actually filled with is a ton of logic that no atheist can dispute.

Lol.

[it's me]

:lmao watched this joke of a movie this weekend (yes my wife is a christian) ... It is pretty easy to debunk. Dude (professor) wasn't actually an atheist, dude was just mad with "god" because he didn't answered his and his moma's prayers and she died. The movie is actually good to have an understanding of how hardcore christians view the atheists and their reasons for being "non believers" all wrong IMO ....:lmao that nigga praying for a car to start? Anyways, it's pretty obvious fake ex-athiests Lee Strobel had some input.

[~O~]

I don't like to waste time with movies with horrible rating




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College philosophy professor Mr. Radisson's curriculum is challenged by his new student, Josh, who believes God exists.
Director: Harold Cronk (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1880561/?ref_=tt_ov_dr)



s.

[Huey Freeman]

Heard the movie was corny and stale (from a Christain)

[Avante]

Heard the movie was corny and stale (from a Christain)

I'm a non Christian and thought it was pretty good, to my surprise.

[spurraider21]

they might as well call it "God of the Gaps is not Dead"

[spurraider21]

:lol just read the basic synopsis on wikipedia, shit is corny as hell

Josh Wheaton (Shane Harper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Harper)), a Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian) college student, enrolls in a philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy) class taught by Professor Jeffrey Radisson (Kevin Sorbo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Sorbo)), anatheist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism), who demands that his students sign a declaration that "God is dead" to get a passing grade. Josh is the only student in the class who refuses to sign and is then required by Radisson to debate the topic with him, with the class members deciding who wins.
Radisson gives Josh 20 minutes at the end of the first three lecture sessions to argue that God exists. In the first two debates, Radisson has counter arguments for all of Josh's points. Josh's girlfriend Kara (Cassidy Gifford) breaks up with him, fearing that standing up to Radisson will jeopardize their academic future. Ultimately, it comes down to the third and final debate between Radisson and Josh, who again both make compelling points. Josh then halts his line of debate to pose a question to Radisson: "Why do you hate God?" After Josh repeats the question twice more, Radisson explodes in rage, confirming he hates God for his mother's death that left him alone despite his prayers. Josh then casually asks Radisson how he can hate someone that doesn't exist. In the end, Martin (Paul Kwo), a foreign exchange student whose father had encouraged him not to convert to Christianity, stands up and says "God's not dead." Almost the entire class follows Martin's lead, causing Radisson to leave the room in defeat.
Against the backdrop of the debates, a series of peripherally related subplots develop. Radisson dates Mina (Cory Oliver), a Christian whom he often belittles in front of his fellow atheist colleagues. Her brother Mark (Dean Cain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Cain)), a successful businessman and atheist, refuses to visit their mother, who suffers from dementia. Mark's girlfriend, Amy (Trisha LaFache), is a left-wing blogger who writes articles critical of Duck Dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_Dynasty). When she is diagnosed with cancer, Mark dumps her. A Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) student named Ayisha (Hadeel Sittu) secretly converts to Christianity and is disowned by her family when they find out.
After the final debate, Josh invites Martin to attend the Newsboys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsboys) concert that is in town. Radisson reads a letter from his late mother, and is moved to reconcile with Mina. Amy confronts the Newsboys in their dressing room, only to admit that she wants to get to know God. While on his way to find Mina, Radisson is struck by a car and fatally injured. Reverend Dave (David A. R. White (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_A._R._White)) finds him and guides him in becoming a Christian as he dies. Mark at last visits his mother, only to taunt her; she responds that all of his financial success was given to him by Satan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan).
As the film ends, the Newsboys play a video clip of Willie Robertson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Robertson) congratulating Josh. The Newsboys then play their song "God's Not Dead", dedicating it to Josh.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God's_Not_Dead_(film)#cite_note-5)

[Avante]

It's a little deep for Raider fans.

[spurraider21]

It's a little deep for Raider fans.
its not deep at all... its simple and cheesy

- mean atheist professor who wont pass his students until they sign a paper that says god isn't real

- mean atheist who wont visit his ailing mother

- mean atheist who makes fun of christian girl with his other atheist friends

- mean atheist becomes religious as he's dying



its basically a lifetime/oxygen movie except the role of "evil, woman-hating man" is portrayed as atheists

[Avante]

its not deep at all... its simple and cheesy

- mean atheist professor who wont pass his students until they sign a paper that says god isn't real

- mean atheist who wont visit his ailing mother

- mean atheist who makes fun of christian girl with his other atheist friends

- mean atheist becomes religious as he's dying



its basically a lifetime/oxygen movie except the role of "evil, woman-hating man" is portrayed as atheists

Not a clue, first off the professor is not an atheist. Dude, you are going to tell the guy who ..saw...the movie about it, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!! Based on your ...perception...of the movie, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, a Raider fan.

Why not just say this......"if you saw it Avante it must have sucked"...isn't that wht this is really about?

[spurraider21]

yeah yeah i know, the professor is angry at god because his mother died when he was a child, and thus he's angry at god and isn't "really" an atheist. i read the plot. thanks.

[spurraider21]

and :lol at the subplot of a muslim girl converting to christianity and having her family disown her, portraying other religions as evil with christianity are pure goodness

[Avante]

yeah yeah i know, the professor is angry at god because his mother died when he was a child, and thus he's angry at god and isn't "really" an atheist. i read the plot. thanks.

Well then why call the professor an atheist then? Talk about dumb, yep....a Raider fan.

[Avante]

and :lol at the subplot of a muslim girl converting to christianity and having her family disown her, portraying other religions as evil with christianity are pure goodness

It's not for goofy little shits like you amigo, ok?

Here ya go little fella.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRnbUm48R7c

[spurraider21]

Well then why call the professor an atheist then? Talk about dumb, yep....a Raider fan.


It's not for goofy little shits like you amigo, ok?
basically everybody in the film that isn't portrayed as a christian is shown to be a bad person. i've actually been running it in the background for the past 30 minutes and will watch it through for the lulz

[Avante]

basically everybody in the film that isn't portrayed as a christian is shown to be a bad person. i've actually been running it in the background for the past 30 minutes and will watch it through for the lulz

Wel the 300 or so people at my wifes church loved it, I liked it and nobody really gives a shit if a weird little fuck like you likes it or not.

[spurraider21]

im sure church-goers are big fans of the film. never doubted that for a second

:lol the mean atheist broke up with his girlfriend because she had cancer. det propaganda

[DMC]

This kind of "thing" is why Christopher Hitchens stopped even debating, really, with the "experts" on stage, and instead spent most of his time talking with the audience.The same debunked "proofs" keep showing up, theists keep using unconventional definitions to "redefine" terms so that their arguments appear solid, and they shift the burden of proof to the atheist. When someone has published a scientific paper in a scientific journal that illustrates the existence of a god, I will give it more consideration. The tendency to separate god from science while using science to lay the claim in the 1st place motivates me to ignore the claim.

Notice I haven't made the claim that a god does not exist. I also haven't claimed that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist.

[DMC]

and :lol at the subplot of a muslim girl converting to christianity and having her family disown her, portraying other religions as evil with christianity are pure goodness
Does Kirk Cameron star in this? How about Mimi Rogers?

[Avante]

im sure church-goers are big fans of the film. never doubted that for a second

:lol the mean atheist broke up with his girlfriend because she had cancer. det propaganda

I;m sure atheists won't like the film it shows them for what they are....stupid.

[Avante]

This kind of "thing" is why Christopher Hitchens stopped even debating, really, with the "experts" on stage, and instead spent most of his time talking with the audience.The same debunked "proofs" keep showing up, theists keep using unconventional definitions to "redefine" terms so that their arguments appear solid, and they shift the burden of proof to the atheist. When someone has published a scientific paper in a scientific journal that illustrates the existence of a god, I will give it more consideration. The tendency to separate god from science while using science to lay the claim in the 1st place motivates me to ignore the claim.

Notice I haven't made the claim that a god does not exist. I also haven't claimed that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist.

There are billions and billions of people who pray to their God, fewer pray to the flying spaghetti monster. I know I know, you know far nore about this than all those billions, right? Those at Oral Roberts University....clueless..right?

[spurraider21]

Well then why call the professor an atheist then? Talk about dumb, yep....a Raider fan.


I;m sure atheists won't like the film it shows them for what they are....stupid.
why do you keep resorting to personal insults? i've called the movie corny, but i haven't called anybody stupid for liking it.

i literally stayed up until about 4am my time to watch this movie... i doubt you'd do the same to watch a film/documentary about atheism while portraying christians as bad people.

this was a film where every single character that wasn't a christian was a bad person :lol

[Avante]

why do you keep resorting to personal insults? i've called the movie corny, but i haven't called anybody stupid for liking it.

i literally stayed up until about 4am my time to watch this movie... i doubt you'd do the same to watch a film/documentary about atheism while portraying christians as bad people.

this was a film where every single character that wasn't a christian was a bad person :lol


It was pretty obvious this was.....I must poke fun at it Avante liked it.....you disagree?

It was an entertaining movie a good movie, and I really was surprised.

[spurraider21]

It was pretty obvious this was.....I must poke fun at it Avante liked it.....you disagree?
no. i found the premise of the film to be funny, and i actually went through it and watched it. you've been dealing personal insults as a sign of some sort of insecurity

[RD2191]

Wel the 300 or so people at my wifes church loved it, I liked it and nobody really gives a shit if a weird little fuck like you likes it or not.
:lmao

[Avante]

no. i found the premise of the film to be funny, and i actually went through it and watched it. you've been dealing personal insults as a sign of some sort of insecurity

How in the hell does one become insecure on a messageboard, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

How in the hell does one become insecure on a messageboard, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're the expert

[Avante]

you're the expert

How long have I had this condition? Anything I can take for it?

[spurraider21]

How long have I had this condition? Anything I can take for it?
don't know. perhaps you should ask a priest and he can perform some ooga-booga chant to help you

[Avante]

don't know. perhaps you should ask a priest and he can perform some ooga-booga chant to help you

Hmmm?

Avante...can you help me father
priest....yes my son, what's the problem?
Avante...spurraider said I was insecure
priest...spur...raider? He's a Raider fan?
Avante...yes father he is.
priest...you really care what a lowly Raider fan says, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! Just lose baby...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Avante...ah...well..thanks father

[spurraider21]

Hmmm?

Avante...can you help me father
priest....yes my son, what's the problem?
Avante...spurraider said I was insecure
priest...spur...raider? He's a Raider fan?
Avante...yes father he is.
priest...you really care what a lowly Raider fan says, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! Just lose baby...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Avante...ah...well..thanks father
yes, because being a loyal fan of a sports team reflects my intelligence.

[Avante]

yes, because being a loyal fan of a sports team reflects my intelligence.

What reflects my intelligence is being the fan of another team but knowing more about your team that you do, hahaha!!!!!!!!!

[DMX7]

God is not dead because he never existed.

[Avante]

God is not dead because he never existed.

Tell that to all those Islamic freaks blowing themselves up with.....GOD (Allah) IS GOOD...on their lips. Tell that to The Pope. Tell that to...Dallas Baptist, BYU, Notre Dame, Abilene Christian, Oral Roberts University, Texas Christian, Oklahoms Baptist, Fresno Pacific......obviously a little shit hidden away on a computer has the answer.

[cantthinkofanything]

Heard the movie was corny and stale (from a Christain)

half of that is good for hotdogs

[Avante]

half of that is good for hotdogs

Dude, you ever notice I rarely post in your threads? The reason is usually they don't interest me. But do I go there just to fuck around...nope! How about showing me that same respect ok?

You had a crazy week, I don't give a fuck so I;m not there, see how it works?

[Blake]

I;m sure atheists won't like the film it shows them for what they are....stupid.

lol you believe in a magic man in the sky

[Avante]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1XMxy8pTGo

[cantthinkofanything]

Quarterflash

980jlPaDX_8

[DMC]

There are billions and billions of people who pray to their God, fewer pray to the flying spaghetti monster. I know I know, you know far nore about this than all those billions, right? Those at Oral Roberts University....clueless..right?
FZFG5PKw504#t=25

[DMC]

http://www.calamitiesofnature.com/archive/619.jpg


:lmao Africa

[Blake]

Tell that to all those Islamic freaks blowing themselves up with.....GOD (Allah) IS GOOD...on their lips. Tell that to The Pope. Tell that to...Dallas Baptist, BYU, Notre Dame, Abilene Christian, Oral Roberts University, Texas Christian, Oklahoms Baptist, Fresno Pacific......obviously a little shit hidden away on a computer has the answer.

Those are schools with religions based on Bible teachings.

But you started a thread making fun of the Samson story.

Make up your mind, dumbass. Do you believe in the Bible like the founders of those schools did or not?

[spurraider21]

FZFG5PKw504#t=25
this video actually upsets me

[Aztecfan03]

and :lol at the subplot of a muslim girl converting to christianity and having her family disown her, portraying other religions as evil with christianity are pure goodness

Yea, I'm Christian, but I had a problem with that. The only muslim in the movie (the girl wasn't and the rest of their family was barely shown) has to be shown as violent and repressive? Even if that is representative of many muslims(i don't know if it is in America) It is in bad form to do portray the only muslim guy that way.

[Blake]

-tW0772EUhQ

is this bald eagle dead?

[DMC]

this video actually upsets me

Can't eat peanut butter now? Afraid you'll find some life growing? It won't happen dude, life doesn't just spring up out of energy and matter. Never mind that it's Pasteurized and never mind that millions of years haven't passed and never mind all the other matter that isn't in there or that he hasn't looked at every single jar under a microscope.

I haven't seen a monkey come from a jar of peanut butter. If I had though, I'd expect to see a human come from there after a week or two since "evolution" is happening.

[spurraider21]

Yea, I'm Christian, but I had a problem with that. The only muslim in the movie (the girl wasn't and the rest of their family was barely shown) has to be shown as violent and repressive? Even if that is representative of many muslims(i don't know if it is in America) It is in bad form to do portray the only muslim guy that way.
Yeah the atheists were all complete assholes and the one Muslim was abusive :lol

[benefactor]

http://www.calamitiesofnature.com/archive/619.jpg


:lmao Africa
:lol...got the Jamaicans and Haitians right there with them.

[it's me]

Yeah the atheists were all complete assholes and the one Muslim was abusive :lol

That's typical Lee Strobel bullshit.

[it's me]

FZFG5PKw504#t=25

:lmao This is priceless :lol

[RD2191]

:lmao This is priceless :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4

[RD2191]

:wakeupYour move, atheists.

[RD2191]

Can't eat peanut butter now? Afraid you'll find some life growing? It won't happen dude, life doesn't just spring up out of energy and matter. Never mind that it's Pasteurized and never mind that millions of years haven't passed and never mind all the other matter that isn't in there or that he hasn't looked at every single jar under a microscope.

I haven't seen a monkey come from a jar of peanut butter. If I had though, I'd expect to see a human come from there after a week or two since "evolution" is happening.
:lolEvolution

[Blake]

:wakeupYour move, atheists.

yeah, that video we're all making fun of, that's the team you're on.

[RD2191]

yeah, that video we're all making fun of, that's the team you're on.
:lolI'm on no team, faggot. And lol evolution.

[Blake]

:lolI'm on no team, faggot. And lol evolution.

You're on team Christian. It won't take much effort to pull up your quote ":cry I hope to be a Christian some day :cry

Lol dumbfuck. :lol

[RD2191]

You're on team Christian. It won't take much effort to pull up your quote ":cry I hope to be a Christian some day :cry

Lol dumbfuck. :lol
Who said I was a Christian?

Lol, your wife cheated on you for 2 years and you didn't have a clue. Dumbfuck. :lol

[Blake]

Who said I was a Christian?

Lol, your wife cheated on you for 2 years and you didn't have a clue. Dumbfuck. :lol

you did.

But oh look. You're taking another Christian shot at my personal life.

smh unintelligent.

[cantthinkofanything]

:lol...got the Jamaicans and Haitians right there with them.

hmmm...two countries so close together and yet, one dominates the world of sprint with...
Usain Lightening Bolt
Oshane Baily
Trevor Green
Dexter Lee
Debbie Dunn
Orville Taylor
Oral Thompson
Peanut the Kidnapper
Marvin Essor
Roxroy Cato
Merlene Otty

Let's see...yep...all trained in the states.

And here we have Haiti. Can anyone name any sprinters from Haiti????

Besides the big 5?

[it's me]

:wakeupYour move, atheists.

:lmao are you actually supporting this clowns argument? This one is also pretty well designed for human consumption :lol

http://alluringhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Nopal-Cactus.jpg

[Blake]

Who said I was a Christian?

Lol, your wife cheated on you for 2 years and you didn't have a clue. Dumbfuck. :lol


God sent Jesus to give us new laws and a chance for everyone to have everlasting life.

doing the lords work.

[Avante]

hmmm...two countries so close together and yet, one dominates the world of sprint with...
Usain Lightening Bolt
Oshane Baily
Trevor Green
Dexter Lee
Debbie Dunn
Orville Taylor
Oral Thompson
Peanut the Kidnapper
Marvin Essor
Roxroy Cato
Merlene Otty

Let's see...yep...all trained in the states.

And here we have Haiti. Can anyone name any sprinters from Haiti????

Besides the big 5?

The first 26 foot long jumper in history was a Haitian soccer player (actually the captain of their international team) named Silvio Cator.

The great Canadian sprinter Bruny Surin was born in Haiti.

Usian Bolt, Nesta Carter, Asafa Powell and Yohan Blake were not trained in the USA and they are the four fastest Jamaicans.

Then we have Olympic 100m gold medalist (1996) Donovan Bailey who represented Canada but was born in Jamaica. Then we had Great Britians Linford Christie who also won an (1992) Olympic 100m gold medal and was also born in Jamaica.


Ben Johnson the Canadian who won the 88 Olympic 100m was born in Jamaica, as we know he got popped for steroids.


All of these great Jamaican sprinters were trained at US schools.

Herb McKenley WR 400 Illinois, histories first sub 45.0 4x4 relayer
George Rhoden WR 400 Morgan State
Dennis Johnson WR 9.3 San Jose State
Ray Stewart number one ranked, TCU
Don Quarrie Olympic 200m gold, USC
Lennox Miller Olympic silver.bronze 100m USC

Then a whole gang/slew of sub 10.00/20.00 guys.

The year was 1952, the above mentioned Herb McKenley and George Rhoden teamed up with 400/800 ace Arthur Wint (first of the Jamaicans to stay home) and Fresno States Les Laing a 200 guy to break the world record in the 4x4 relay and win the gold. This was the first sign of Jamaican sprint prowess. All those mentioned won Olympic medals in other events except Laing and he did make the 20m final.

[RD2191]

:lolClaims to be intelligent
:lolTalks shit about christians/believers all day yet sends daughter to get educated by such "idiots" at a christian school
:loldidn't know his wife was cheating on him for 2 years
:lolhas no friends in real life so had to come ask for marital advice on a sports forum
:lolintelligent

[cantthinkofanything]

The great Candaian sprinter Bruny Surin was born in Haiti.


I asked if anyone could name any Haitian sprinters other than the big 5 and you...with number 1. Care to try again Sparky?

[RD2191]

Avante, serious question, who holds the records for 40 yard dash/sprint and 100 yard dash or whatever the fuck you call it in high school sports?

[cantthinkofanything]

Avante, serious question, who holds the records for 40 yard dash/sprint and 100 yard dash or whatever the fuck you call it in high school sports?

welll...there's the 40 yard dash and the 40 meter dash. Also a 100 meter dash and...yep...here we have 100 yard dash. We also have what is in the books for high school students but...some of the fastest runners never went to high school.

[Avante]

I asked if anyone could name any Haitian sprinters other than the big 5 and you...with number 1. Care to try again Sparky?

I actually just skim over your silly shit, I assumed it was obvious. Just looking for a reason to show off..ah..Sparky.

[cantthinkofanything]

I actually just skim over your silly shit, I assumed it was obvious. Just looking for a reason to show off..ah..Sparky.

sometimes it seems like you only mentally skim over your shit as well

[Avante]

Avante, serious question, who holds the records for 40 yard dash/sprint and 100 yard dash or whatever the fuck you call it in high school sports?

The 40 is never ran at a track event, it's used as a speed barometer in football. The fastest time ever ran was a 4.12 by Auburn running back Bo Jackson. Which is stunning considering he was a 220 pounder. Usually anything in that 4.35 world is considered legit jets.

Southern Illinois Ivory Crockett and Santa Monica CC/Cerritos Houston McTear share the 100 yard record at 9.0. The amazing thing there is that McTear ran that time as a HS junior.

I have a little story....

I was at the West Coast Relays in Fresno, when the PA announcer..."this just in from the Florida State High School Championships......Baker Highs Houston McTear has just set a new high school record of....9 point 2"..the crowd goes crazy with...woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!...the n the announcer...."that was in the semi final"

A little later the PA guy gets on again....

"this just in from the Florida State High School Track & Field Championships, you might wanna sit down for this one......Baker highs Houston McTear as just ran a 9.......................FLAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!" the crowd is going bonkers with....WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! then the announcer...."as most of you now that ties the world record'.

We will never see another HS sprinter run a sprint WR, that was a once in a lifetime occurance,

[RD2191]

The 40 is never ran as a track event, it's used as a speed barometer in football. The fastest time ever ran was a 4.12 by Auburn running back Bo Jackson. Which is stunning considering he was a 220 pounder. Usually anything in that 4.35 world is considered legit jets.

Southern Illinois Ivory Crockett and Santa Monica CC/Cerritos Houston McTear share the 100 yard record at 9.0. The amazing thing there is that McTear ran that time as a HS junior.

I have a little story....

I was at the West Coast Relays in Fresno, when the PA announder..."this just in from the Florida State High School Championships......Baker Highs Houston McTear has just set a new high school record of....9 point 2...the crowd goes crazy with...woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!...the n the announcer...."that was in the semi final"

A little later the PA guy gets on again....

"this just in from the Florida State High School Track & Field Championships, you might wanna sit down for this one......Baker highs Houston McTear as just ran a 9.......................FLAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!" the crowd is going bonkers with....WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! then the announcer...."as most of younow that ties the world record'.

We will never see another HS sprinter run a sprint WR, that was a once in a lifetime occurance,
Damn, that's some interesting stuff. And good story. Must of been exciting.

[Blake]

:lolClaims to be intelligent
:lolTalks shit about christians/believers all day yet sends daughter to get educated by such "idiots" at a christian school
:loldidn't know his wife was cheating on him for 2 years
:lolhas no friends in real life so had to come ask for marital advice on a sports forum
:lolintelligent

^ has an invisible friend in the sky

[Avante]

sometimes it seems like you only mentally skim over your shit as well

Yet here you always are while I usually stay away from thiose...DUH!!!!!...of yours.

[Avante]

Damn, that's some interesting stuff. And good story. Must of been exciting.

Then a few years later I;m up at the relays in Fresno again, the next event on the track the JC 4x2 relay. At the final exchange it;s all Long Beach City, San Jose City, Sac City (actually can't remember) when out of nowhere here comes this little dude gaining with each stride, the kid is cooking, the crowd is...WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!...yep, Houston McTear. I had no idea he was there. He won pulling away with that big....."ain't nothing to it"...look on his face.

[cantthinkofanything]

Yet here you always are while I usually stay away from thiose...DUH!!!!!...of yours.

it's because I have a job

[Avante]

it's because I have a job

That made no sense.

[Avante]

God created Heaven and Earth, or something did.

Ok believe it or not it's simple.

I'd like to see one of you explain to me how we got the elephant if God/something wasn't responsible. No don't send me anywhere ior show me something, I want you to explain it to me in your own words, just like I did.

I'm saying God/something created the elephant. Ok your turn, remember in your own words.

[Blake]

God created Heaven and Earth, or something did.

Ok believe it or not it's simple.

I'd like to see one of you explain to me how we got te elephant if God.something wasn't responsible. No don't send me anywhere ir showme something, I want you to explain it to me in your own words, just like I did.

Who was responsible for creating God

[cantthinkofanything]

God created Heaven and Earth, or something did.

Ok believe it or not it's simple.

I'd like to see one of you explain to me how we got te elephant if God.something wasn't responsible. No don't send me anywhere ir showme something, I want you to explain it to me in your own words, just like I did.

I don't know how much time I have but are you talking about strictly Bible God?

[Avante]

I don't know how much time I have but are you talking about strictly Bible God?

I do't buy the Bible God myself.

[spurraider21]

God created Heaven and Earth, or something did.

Ok believe it or not it's simple.

I'd like to see one of you explain to me how we got the elephant if God/something wasn't responsible. No don't send me anywhere ior show me something, I want you to explain it to me in your own words, just like I did.

I'm saying God/something created the elephant. Ok your turn, remember in your own words.
to say "god did it" is a very simple way to put it. to explain the science behind it would take much more than those 3 words. the basic scenario is genetic variation and natural selection over long periods of time

[it's me]

I do't buy the Bible God myself.

:lmao .... doesn't buy the bible freak, but likes the bible freaks movies.

[Avante]

to say "god did it" is a very simple way to put it. to explain the science behind it would take much more than those 3 words. the basic scenario is genetic variation and natural selection over long periods of time

But we can trace the roots of the elephant back to the sea....right?

[Avante]

:lmao .... doesn't buy the bible freak, but likes the bible freaks movies.

I'll go slow....

It's not about the Bible God, it's about no a BIG BANG isn't responsible for all this, some Master Designer is, what that might be...??????

[it's me]

I'll go slow....

It's not about the Bible God, it's about no a BIG BANG isn't responsible for all this, some Master Designer is, what that might be...??????

I follow ... so you are agnostic? Still, it seems like you enjoyed and support the bible freaks movie from the creation of this thread. An objective truth seeker would hate such a movie.

[cantthinkofanything]

I'll go slow....

It's not about the Bible God, it's about no a BIG BANG isn't responsible for all this, some Master Designer is, what that might be...??????

there's some shit you're not going to understand. deal with it.

[Avante]

I follow ... so you are agnostic? Still, it seems like you enjoyed and support the bible freaks movie from the creation of this thread. An objective truth seeker would hate such a movie.

A dumb ass with a closed mind would hate the movie. A simpleton would hate the movie. Someone with no imagination, well I can't see it so it's not there.....wow!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

there's some shit you're not going to understand. deal with it.

Yes sir, hahahahaa!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

A dumb ass with a closed mind would hate the movie. A simpleton would hate the movie. Someone with no imagination, well I can't see it so it's not there.....wow!!!!!!!!!!
it was a movie where every christian was a good character and every non christian, whether it be atheist or muslim, was a bad character. not very open minded at all

[Avante]

it was a movie where every christian was a good character and every non christian, whether it be atheist or muslim, was a bad character. not very open minded at all

I was ..obviously...talking about the debate.

[spurraider21]

A dumb ass with a closed mind would hate the movie. A simpleton would hate the movie. Someone with no imagination, well I can't see it so it's not there.....wow!!!!!!!!!!


I was ..obviously...talking about the debate.
no. you were talking about the movie

[DMC]

Avante, serious question, who holds the records for 40 yard dash/sprint and 100 yard dash or whatever the fuck you call it in high school sports?

Probably not a be@ner for two reasons:

1. Inseam is like 22"
2. Never made it to high school

[it's me]

A dumb ass with a closed mind would hate the movie. A simpleton would hate the movie. Someone with no imagination, well I can't see it so it's not there.....wow!!!!!!!!!!

Are you an agnostic? :lol close minded. Sure, the movie is super open minded, it's pretty neutral on how they portray all different beliefs right. What a loving father that muslim girl has... and how well portrayed are all those non-believers. :lmao can't be serious.

[it's me]

it was a movie where every christian was a good character and every non christian, whether it be atheist or muslim, was a bad character. not very open minded at all

:lol this exactly.

[Avante]

Are you an agnostic? :lol close minded. Sure, the movie is super open minded, it's pretty neutral on how they portray all different beliefs right. What a loving father that muslim girl has... and how well portrayed are all those non-believers. :lmao can't be serious.

I don't want or need some title, I just can't go with..."it just happened? All these things that..MUST...work in...PERFECT...concert just do. Noting works perfect all the time forever.

Only a fool would think something that takes so many different components relying on each other to function properly just...BIG BANG!!!!!! Talk about one stupid individual.

Something is behind all this and it's so damn obvious, why anyone would even try to ....it was the BIG BANG...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! You could have 100 bilion big bangs and you'll never see anything as perfect as all this coming about.

So just ONE ..BIG BAND...and it nailed it...perfection..on the firs try:rolleyes

[cantthinkofanything]

I don't want or need some title, I just can't go with..."it just happened? All these things that..MUST...work in...PERFECT...concert just do. Noting works perfect all the time forever.


everything works exactly like it's supposed to all of the time. you might not like how it works but it is what it is.

[DMC]

:lolEvolution

Viva la evolución

[Blake]

I'll go slow....

It's not about the Bible God, it's about no a BIG BANG isn't responsible for all this, some Master Designer is, what that might be...??????

who designed the master designer

[Avante]

everything works exactly like it's supposed to all of the time. you might not like how it works but it is what it is.

FINALLY....you got something right, yes it does work exactly like..........it is suppose to.

[DMC]

This is what it would be like, if the majority of people were athiests.
ATHIEST KID: Mom, I'm going to go fuck a hooker.
ATHIEST MOM: Okay, son.
ATHIEST KID: Afterwards, I'm going to go smoke pot with my friends, since it's "not addictive."
ATHIEST MOM: Okay, come home soon!
The athiest kid leaves the room. The father comes home from work several minutes later.
ATHIEST DAD: Hey!
ATHIEST MOM: Hi, honey! I'm pregnant again. I guess I'll just get another abortion, since "fetuses don't count as human life."
ATHIEST DAD: Okay, get as many abortions as you want!
ATHIEST MOM: Oh, and don't go in the bedroom.
ATHIEST DAD: Why not?
ATHIEST MOM: There are two gay men fucking each other in there.
ATHIEST DAD: Why are they here?
ATHIEST MOM: I wanted to watch them do it for awhile. They just aren't finished yet.
ATHIEST DAD: Okay, that's fine with me!
Suddenly, their neighbor runs into the house.
ATHIEST NEIGHBOR: Come quick, there's a Christian outside!
ATHIEST MOM: We'll be right there!
The athiest couple quickly put on a pair of black robes and hoods. They then exit the house, and run into the street, where a Christian is nailed to a large, wooden X. He is being burned alive. A crowd of athiests stand around him, all wearing black robes and hoods.
RANDOM ATHIEST: Damn you, Christian! We hate you! We claim to be tolerant of all religions. But we really hate your's! That's because we athiests are hypocritical like that! Die, Christian!
THE END
Scary, isn't it?

[Blake]

You forgot the end where the dying atheist converts to christianity with his last breath

[DMC]

You forgot the end where the dying atheist converts to christianity with his last breath
Actually he admits he believes in God and begs forgiveness.

[it's me]

FINALLY....you got something right, yes it does work exactly like..........it is suppose to.

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/133266.jpg?w=680&h=450&crop=1

[Blake]

Actually he admits he believes in God and begs forgiveness.

And moves into mansion in heaven next door to the persecuted Christian

[DMC]

http://www.aasd.k12.wi.us/staff/hermansenjoel/apmuseum/vogt/galler19.jpg

Heathens


https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQYUS2RJT1C4N_p_jB1ch-wC9wTSZRtFLK59AtEXUwGiU1HKnbs


Christians

[it's me]

I don't want or need some title, I just can't go with..."it just happened? All these things that..MUST...work in...PERFECT...concert just do. Noting works perfect all the time forever.

Only a fool would think something that takes so many different components relying on each other to function properly just...BIG BANG!!!!!! Talk about one stupid individual.

Something is behind all this and it's so damn obvious, why anyone would even try to ....it was the BIG BANG...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! You could have 100 bilion big bangs and you'll never see anything as perfect as all this coming about.

So just ONE ..BIG BAND...and it nailed it...perfection..on the firs try:rolleyes

So, you'd agree bible god was a sick motherfucker prick, with psychological issues and an insatiable thirst for blood?

[RD2191]

So, you'd agree bible god was a sick motherfucker prick, with psychological issues and an insatiable thirst for blood?
:lolretarded take

[RD2191]

RG on his troll account.

[it's me]

:lolretarded take

Why is it? The guy is saying he "doesn't buy the bible god", but at the same time likes and promotes a bible freak movie. I ask if he's an agnostic and he says no labels... I think he's a bible freak and I'm just trying to get to know if it's the case.

[Avante]

Why is it? The guy is saying he "doesn't buy the bible god", but at the same time likes and promotes a bible freak movie. I ask if he's an agnostic and he says no labels... I think he's a bible freak and I'm just trying to get to know if it's the case.

See my...Samson...thread? I've made it well know, yep, SOMETHING is out there but nobody knows what it really is.

The Bible is no different that Homer, Odin, Zeus, just a myth we decided to accept for some unknown reason.

[it's me]

See my...Samson...thread? I've made it well know, yep, SOMETHING is out there but nobody knows what it really is.

The Bible is no different that Homer, Odin, Zeus, just a myth we decided to accept for some unknown reason.

Got it... so you wouldn't have a problem agreeing that bible god was a sick motherfucker prick, with psychological issues and an insatiable thirst for blood?

[Avante]

Got it... so you wouldn't have a problem agreeing that bible god was a sick motherfucker prick, with psychological issues and an insatiable thirst for blood?

When anything can make the impact this God of the Bible has made you don't run your mouth like some punk ass kid...ok? I know a lot of people where God totally changed their lives for the better. Actually the believers I know are far better off than the atheists I know. God has saved lives.

I just struggle trying to understand why we need the cartoons, I do believe all that Biblical stuff is man made, but......it has without question changed lives.

It's not important if it's the Biblical God or not, it's important that you realize no way in hell this could have just happen by chance, yep....impossible!

[Blake]

:lolretarded take

Read the Bible dumbass.

[xmas1997]

When anything can make the impact this God of the Bible has made you don't run your mouth like some punk ass kid...ok? I know a lot of people where God totlly chnged their lives for the better. Actually the believers I know are far better off than the atheists I know. God has saves lives.

I just struggle trying to understand why we need the cartoons, I do believe all that Biblical stuff is man made, but......it has without question changed lives.

It's not important if it's the Biblical God or not, it's important that you realize no way in hell this could have just happen by chancr, yep....impossible!

You have a very healthy respect for the whole subject, and IMHO that is all anyone be they believers or nonbelievers, can hope from anyone.

[spurraider21]

You have a very healthy respect for the whole subject, and IMHO that is all anyone be they believers or nonbelievers, can hope from anyone.
Respect? If people mention evolution he just calls them a dummy

[Avante]

You have a very healthy respect for the whole subject, and IMHO that is all anyone be they believers or nonbelievers, can hope from anyone.

We could throw five rocks up in the air from here on out and they will never ever all fall in a perfect circle or line. It cannot happen, yep...impossible. So we are suppose to buy "one" BIG BANG and everything just falls into perfect order.....hell no!

Something thought this out, but nobody really has a clue what it is so why not go with God if it makes people feel good about things.

[Avante]

Respect? If people mention evolution he just calls them a dummy

Dude, cool the.....Avante was rude...ok man, just internet bullshit, ok?

[RD2191]

Read the Bible dumbass.
I have. And God is not a bloodthirsty murderer. Dumbass.

[spurraider21]

Avante probably thinks the peanut butter and banana videos are sound reasoning :lol

[Avante]

Avante probably thinks the peanut butter and banana videos are sound reasoning :lol

Avante isn't the one dumb enought to watch them, you are however:rollin

[spurraider21]

Avante isn't the one dumb enought to watch them, you are however:rollin
i like to watch those for comedic value, same reason i watched the God's Not Dead movie

[xmas1997]

I have. And God is not a bloodthirsty murderer. Dumbass.

His humiliation is not even realized.
That is the way morons are!
:lmao

[Avante]

i like to watch those for comedic value, same reason i watched the God's Not Dead movie

translation

Damn that Avante, dude owns my narrow little ass.

[spurraider21]

translation

Damn that Avante, dude owns my narrow little ass.
translation: i'm uneducated but i like to act smart

[Avante]

translation: i'm uneducated but i like to act smart

translation

I wish I knew half of what Avante did, where does it get all stuff?

[spurraider21]

translation

I wish I knew half of what Avante did, where does it get all stuff?
translation: i own some almanacs, but unfortunately can't understand anything in a biology or physics book

[Avante]

translation: i own some almanacs, but unfortunately can't understand anything in a biology or physics book

translation

While Avante knows it all pertaining to sports, literature, music, track, life , I can disect a frog.

[pgardn]

We could throw five rocks up in the air from here on out and they will never ever all fall in a perfect circle or line. It cannot happen, yep...impossible. So we are suppose to buy "one" BIG BANG and everything just falls into perfect order.....hell no!

Something thought this out, but nobody really has a clue what it is so why not go with God if it makes people feel good about things.

Perfect Order.

Who said anything about perfect order?

And by my own anecdotal meanderings I do find that Christians are usually happy people compared to Atheists. It's a small sample of course so I generalize, but I feel it's somewhat accurate.

[spurraider21]

translation

While Avante knows it all pertaining to sports, literature, music, track, life , I can disect a frog.
worst football gambler in internet history :lol

[Avante]

Perfect Order.

Who said anything about perfect order?

And by my own anecdotal meanderings I do find that Christians are usually happy people compared to Atheists. It's a small sample of course so I generalize, but I feel it's somewhat accurate.

I have no doubts of any kind that believers are far better adjusted and happier than atheists,

[Avante]

worst football gambler in internet history :lol

Right now I'm looking at what teams are good home dogs in week one. You'll figure it out.

[pgardn]

I have no doubts of any kind that believers are far better adjusted and happier than atheists,

So what's this perfect order?

[spurraider21]

Right now I'm looking at what teams are good home dogs in week one. You'll figure it out.
last year you were more than 10,000 in the red based on your spurstalk betting :lmao

[Avante]

So what's this perfect order?

The distances everything is from everything else. The speed of the rotation of the earth, the seasons. The sperm and the egg. The vegatation, the oil, the animals we feed off of. Everything is perfect.

[Avante]

last year you were more than 10,000 in the red based on your spurstalk betting :lmao

Which happens when you give out the exact opposite of what you're actually playing. How that wasn't figured out...????

Do you really think anyone who can rattle off ......the best home fav coming off a bye week is Denver at 10-3....loses?

[Blake]

I have. And God is not a bloodthirsty murderer. Dumbass.

he said Bible God is blood thirsty. And he is.

Read the Bible dumbfuck.

[Blake]

Which happens when you give out the exact opposite of what you're actually playing. How that wasn't figured out...????

your picks suck and suddenly your picks were really just "opposite picks".

Just stop. Nobody believes you.

[xmas1997]

he said Bible God is blood thirsty. And he is.

Read the Bible dumbfuck.

I thought you did not believe in God.
Then how can you say God is anything if you don't believe He exists?
That is truly moronic.
:lmao

[spurraider21]

Which happens when you give out the exact opposite of what you're actually playing. How that wasn't figured out...????

Do you really think anyone who can rattle off ......the best home fav coming off a bye week is Denver at 10-3....loses?
:lmao delusional. 2 years ago, blames mason. last year, claims he gave opposite picks even though you always backed up your picks with "spots" and reasoning...

you're too much of a sap to realize those gambling magazines are farces. if those "wise guys" knew how to make money, they'd be betting instead of making magazines for pathetic losers to bite on them

[RD2191]

he said Bible God is blood thirsty. And he is.

Read the Bible dumbfuck.
Yeah, no he isn't. Dumbfuck.

[pgardn]

The distances everything is from everything else. The speed of the rotation of the earth, the seasons. The sperm and the egg. The vegatation, the oil, the animals we feed off of. Everything is perfect.

No actually it's not at all.
Not from any engineering point of view or biological point of view.
In fact the human body itself is full of imperfect design and vestigial structures.

I can go through quite a lot of it if you like.

[Avante]

:lmao delusional. 2 years ago, blames mason. last year, claims he gave opposite picks even though you always backed up your picks with "spots" and reasoning...

you're too much of a sap to realize those gambling magazines are farces. if those "wise guys" knew how to make money, they'd be betting instead of making magazines for pathetic losers to bite on them

I knew if I hit 65% 68% .....crickets. Nobody here is going to...great work Avante, so why not just have some fun with it and look at you...STILL...talking about it. If I'd hit 68% nobody would ever taik about it. The fun in it was watching Blake, hahaha!!!!!!!

Why even pretend you've ever even seen one of these gambling mags/books? You are totally completely 100% wrong. These guys are professional gamblers and their plays hiy 65%- 68%. Which is fantastic.

Dude, they have historically strong plays already listed like they always do, those plays alone hit around 60%.

What it is is that you simply don't understand this stuff, you're clueless. Yep...ignorant.


If you just plyed on Seattle as a fav since RW arrived you'd be....18-9, and there are tons of plays that strong out there.

I watched Marc Lawrence go 32-12 on a weekly radio show. Why try and talk about things you know nothing about?

[spurraider21]

yeah, and thats why you were 4 figures in the red last year

[Avante]

yeah, and thats why you were 4 figures in the red last year

ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!

[RD2191]

Actually, everything needed to sustain life is perfect. Distance from the sun, food, fire, things needed to make shelter. Atheists just claim that nothing is perfect because if they did then that would mean it would need a creator. To say the world in order to sustain life is not perfect is stupid.

[Avante]

Actually, everything needed to sustain life is perfect. Distance from the sun, food, fire, things needed to make shelter. Atheists just claim that nothing is perfect because if they did then that would mean it wold need a creator. To say the world in order to sustain life is not perfect is stupid.

Anyone who thinks....one....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!....resulted in a perfect enviornment is one dumb fuck.

[spurraider21]

Actually, everything needed to sustain life is perfect. Distance from the sun, food, fire, things needed to make shelter. Atheists just claim that nothing is perfect because if they did then that would mean it wold need a creator. To say the world in order to sustain life is not perfect is stupid.
the distance from the sun isn't "perfect." the temperatures on Mars can support life as we know it. besides when you consider the sheer number of planets/stars, it would actually be expected for there to be millions of planets with nearly identical conditions to earth.

and :lol at "fire" being a property of earth

[RD2191]

the distance from the sun isn't "perfect." the temperatures on Mars can support life as we know it
Okay then, Mars is the backup. Happened by chance my ass.

[Avante]

We need a particular temp.....we got it.

We need oxygen...yep!

We need food and drink......bingo!

We need medicines....guess what?

A Master Designer who knows all that vs a.....BIG BANG!!!!...man that's a tuff one.

[pgardn]

Anyone who thinks....one....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!....resulted in a perfect enviornment is one dumb fuck.

The environment is not perfect.

Either are the organisms that inhabit the environment.

Would you you like some evidence?

[Avante]

The environment is not perfect.

Either are the organisms that inhabit the environment.

Would you you like some evidence?

Not really.


So you're one of those who thinks this just all happened by chance.....right?

[pgardn]

We need a particular temp.....we got it.

We need oxygen...yep!

We need food and drink......bingo!

We need medicines....guess what?

A Master Designer who knows all that vs a.....BIG BANG!!!!...man that's a tuff one.

For a rather large time period, there was no oxygen. And when it did form and built up in the atmosphere, it removed a huge number of species of anaerobic bacteria. The face of the Earth changed drastically.

I can take these all on separately if you like.

[Avante]

For a rather large time period, there was no oxygen. And when it did form and built up in the atmosphere, it removed a huge number of species of anaerobic bacteria. The face of the Earth changed drastically.

Obviously talking about the finished produce.

[RD2191]

Atheists, took millions ad millions of years for life to get to where it is today. Kind of amazing that nothing went wrong and everything went just right for life to "evolve" successfully.

[pgardn]

Obviously talking about the finished produce.

So why not start with the finished product?

And the product is not finished.

Rob sorry, I got you on ignore.

[RD2191]

Well I'm speaking to everyone, not just you.

[spurraider21]

i guess god was just fucking around when he made the other 10^22 planets just for shits and giggles then

i'm an all powerful celestial being that is the single cause for life in the universe, and im going to make countless amounts of random large spherical (nearly) blobs throughout this ridiculously large universe... but on just one of them i'll have life, team them my wavs, give them a book, etc.

it seems silly. it made more sense when christianity was young because we weren't aware of just how big the universe was

[Avante]

Where are all the skeletons of creatures in a particlar stage of evolution?

[spurraider21]

Where are all the skeletons of creatures in a particlar stage of evolution?
skeletons typically dont remain. fossils are different than skeletons. a vast, vast majority of living things dont leave remains behind and just decompose. only those that died under certain conditions fossilize and are preserved.

also, dinosaurs themselves completely shit on any biblical timeline

[Avante]

So why not start with the finished product?

And the product is not finished.

Rob sorry, I got you on ignore.

Why mess with Noah's arc since He already knew the outcome? Why part the Red Sea, hell just zap the bad guys? As we all know so many questions.

[pgardn]

Where are all the skeletons of creatures in a particlar stage of evolution?

Most of the animal phyla that existed on our planet had no skeletons. They were soft bodied and very weird, but we got some really good imprints in the Burgess Shale. And what's cool is we find more all the time. Some huge discoveries have been made recently in China, the work continues.

So you believe all life was created separately, that God made each species on its own?

[Avante]

skeletons typically dont remain. fossils are different than skeletons. a vast, vast majority of living things dont leave remains behind and just decompose. only those that died under certain conditions fossilize and are preserved.

also, dinosaurs themselves completely shit on any biblical timeline

So we can prove the dinosaurs because of skeletons but at no time did we ever see any....stage of evolution....in skeletons. What are the odds?

I;m not a Bible fan but........it does mention giants will walk the earh.

[RD2191]

i guess god was just fucking around when he made the other 10^22 planets just for shits and giggles then

i'm an all powerful celestial being that is the single cause for life in the universe, and im going to make countless amounts of random large spherical (nearly) blobs throughout this ridiculously large universe... but on just one of them i'll have life, team them my wavs, give them a book, etc.

it seems silly. it made more sense when christianity was young because we weren't aware of just how big the universe was
How many in the observable universe have life?:wakeup

[spurraider21]

How many in the observable universe have life?:wakeup
we dont know.

it just seems like a waste of time to make 10^22 planets if you only give a shit about one of them :lol

[Avante]

Most of the animal phyla that existed on our planet had no skeletons. They were soft bodied and very weird, but we got some really good imprints in the Burgess Shale. And what's cool is we find more all the time. Some huge discoveries have been made recently in China, the work continues.

So you believe all life was created separately, that God made each species on its own?

As opposed to coming from some sea creatures that became spiders, eagles, apes, goats......yep!

[RD2191]

we dont know.

it just seems like a waste of time to make 10^22 planets if you only give a shit about one of them :lol
Maybe they were rough drafts, I'm just saying.

[spurraider21]

So we can prove the dinosaurs because of skeletons but at no time did we ever see any....stage of evolution....in skeletons. What are the odds?

I;m not a Bible fan but........it does mention giants will walk the earh.
lol what?

[spurraider21]

Maybe they were rough drafts, I'm just saying.
yep, an all knowing, all powerful, perfect being needed practice runs to build planets. and not 10, 20. not 100, 200. not 10,000. not 10 million, billion, or trillion. but 10^22

[spurraider21]

As opposed to coming from some sea creatures that became spiders, eagles, apes, goats......yep!
you act as though one creature must have given birth to all 4 of those. your understanding of the theory of evolution is so awful, its like discussing picasso's paintings with a blind man

[RD2191]

yep, an all knowing, all powerful, perfect being needed practice runs to build planets. and not 10, 20. not 100, 200. not 10,000. not 10 million, billion, or trillion. but 10^22
Maybe they're needed to sustain the universe. Who knows. But to claim everything on Earth worked out perfectly for life to exist is a bit dumb. imo.

[spurraider21]

Maybe they're needed to sustain the universe. Who knows. But to claim everything on Earth worked out perfectly for life to exist is a bit dumb. imo.
nigga god made the universe. he can make it however he wants, he's fucking god. it would never "need" other planets to be sustained. god can just say "it is sustained" and it would be... right?

its not just earth. as i said before, just with the raw numbers, there are probably millions of planets with nearly identical conditions to earth

[pgardn]

As opposed to coming from some sea creatures that became spiders, eagles, apes, goats......yep!

Ok then.

There is another explanation that involves science.
Its really very good. I would put it right there with Newton and Einstein as far as modern ideas that changed the way we think. It's good to have explanations other than spontaneous creation. Cancer, autoimmune disorders, the understanding of how these work comes from science. People are not real happy when the doctor tells them we can't do anything to prevent polio, it just happens.

But to each his own.

[RD2191]

nigga god made the universe. he can make it however he wants, he's fucking god. it would never "need" other planets to be sustained. god can just say "it is sustained" and it would be... right?

its not just earth. as i said before, just with the raw numbers, there are probably millions of planets with nearly identical conditions to earth
probably, but as of now, no other life has been observed anywhere else in the universe.

[spurraider21]

probably, but as of now, no other life has been observed anywhere else in the universe.
you are correct. which is why i'll never say "i believe that other life exists." i'm certainly open to the possibility and the numbers would support it. i guess i would say "i believe that other life could very well exist outside of earth"

but there are probably plenty of planets with earth-like conditions, so i dont think its right to say "we are the only, perfect planet for life"

[RD2191]

you are correct. which is why i'll never say "i believe that other life exists." i'm certainly open to the possibility and the numbers would support it. i guess i would say "i believe that other life could very well exist outside of earth"

but there are probably plenty of planets with earth-like conditions, so i dont think its right to say "we are the only, perfect planet for life"
Isn't everything moving further away? Making shit that much harder to see?:lol

[pgardn]

Omgosh Rob is being civil.

Ok then.

[spurraider21]

Isn't everything moving further away? Making shit that much harder to see?:lol
our technology improves more rapidly though. we see much further now than we did 100 years ago, and you can say the same for basically every 100 year interval... excluding the 1,000 year jesus ages

[pgardn]

All you can do is produce the evidence as best you can.

Its up to the individual to find ideas credible or not and read on their own.
Personally I find evolution fascinating, and not really the evolution of humans. Other aspects.

[pgardn]

Isn't everything moving further away? Making shit that much harder to see?:lol

Yes.

But the planets we have found are so close compared to the outer part of the universe, it really will make no difference at all. They are all well within our Galaxy. We will be able to keep up with these and so many more within our lifetimes easily.

[Avante]

you act as though one creature must have given birth to all 4 of those. your understanding of the theory of evolution is so awful, its like discussing picasso's paintings with a blind man



No it's not, it's just that this is what we face.

Reptiles walk on four legs that sprawl from the sides of their bodies, a configuration that helps them to move through the water. ****Around 300 million years ago, a new family of reptiles appeared with legs****** that were positioned beneath the body instead to give better support for walking on the land. These new animals were the earliest ancestors of mammals, and they rose to dominate a landscape rich with plant and insect life. Early mammals also adapted to living on the land by evolving higher body temperatures. This allowed them to move faster over longer distances and more actively search for food. They could hunt any time of the day or night, in any season, and could survive further north or south in colder climates. They evolved hairs on their skin to retain body warmth in cold weather.


So they...just appeared...hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! That's evolution? Thery evolved hair...hahaha!!!!!!!!!

Where did the insects come from?

[RD2191]

Yes.

But the planets we have found are so close compared to the outer part of the universe, it really will make no difference at all. They are all well within our Galaxy. We will be able to keep up with these and so many more within our lifetimes easily.
Will they ever be able to observe if they have life on them? Did you apply for that trip to Mars? I was thinking of going for it but I don't know. :lol

[spurraider21]

No it's not, it's just that this is what we face.

Reptiles walk on four legs that sprawl from the sides of their bodies, a configuration that helps them to move through the water. ****Around 300 million years ago, a new family of reptiles appeared with legs****** that were positioned beneath the body instead to give better support for walking on the land. These new animals were the earliest ancestors of mammals, and they rose to dominate a landscape rich with plant and insect life. Early mammals also adapted to living on the land by evolving higher body temperatures. This allowed them to move faster over longer distances and more actively search for food. They could hunt any time of the day or night, in any season, and could survive further north or south in colder climates. They evolved hairs on their skin to retain body warmth in cold weather.


So they...just appeared...hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! That's evolution? Thery evolved hair...hahaha!!!!!!!!!

Where did the insects come from?
genetic mutation > genepool shift

rinse, repeat


and for your other question,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_insects

[pgardn]

Will they ever be able to observe if they have life on them? Did you apply for that trip to Mars? I was thinking of going for it but I don't know. :lol

imo no.

I think the human race will be long gone before we have access to these guys way off.

But...
There are a few moons around Saturn and Jupiter that look interesting.
Out of all of them I would say Europa. It most likely has liquid water, and a lot of it, buried beneath an ice layer. I believe we have plans to send a probe to drill thru the ice.

This is very exciting I think even if we don't find anything. You should read about Europa, it's really interesting. And maybe let me know how the probe is going, if it got axed, or if it's already on its way.

I would never ever apply to go into outer space, scares the hell out of me. I will go on camping trips to the middle of nowhere, but not space.

im out...

[RD2191]

imo no.

I think the human race will be long gone before we have access to these guys way off.

But...
There are a few moons around Saturn and Jupiter that look interesting.
Out of all of them I would say Europa. It most likely has liquid water, and a lot of it, buried beneath an ice layer. I believe we have plans to send a probe to drill thru the ice.

This is very exciting I think even if we don't find anything. You should read about Europa, it's really interesting. And maybe let me know how the probe is going, if it got axed, or if it's already on its way.

im out...
I'll look into it, thanks for the info.

[xmas1997]

I think it is perfectly logical to surmise that since there are billions of planets out there in space, there is a likely hood that there is also intelligent life out there as well.
That is not too great a stretch of the imagination.
And there is no reason not to believe that God did not create that life there as well.

[Blake]

I thought you did not believe in God.
Then how can you say God is anything if you don't believe He exists?
That is truly moronic.
:lmao

imagine I'm saying Zeus is blood thirsty.

Damn you guys are fucking stupid. Fucking. Stupid.

[RD2191]

I normally avoid laying out my personal stuff on the internets, but hell, I'm reeling so much right now, I'm asking everyone/anyone in sight what to do.

I had some nukes dropped on me this past week regarding the wife, which after looking back the past 1-2 years I should have seen it and I realize I am a fucking idiot. I've mulled over everything a billion times and there's no where to go but to get a divorce.

I have a 7 year old and some have already told me I need to go all out to get full custody. Any other practical advice? Step 1? Step 2?

Fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

:depressed

[Blake]

Atheists, took millions ad millions of years for life to get to where it is today. Kind of amazing that nothing went wrong and everything went just right for life to "evolve" successfully.

You prefer to believe in a timeless magic man.

Lol.

[Blake]

Rob still doing the lord's butthurt work.

[Blake]

Yeah, no he isn't. Dumbfuck.

He demands blood sacrifices all throughout.

you're lying that you read the Bible.

Dumb. Fuck.

[RD2191]

He demands blood sacrifices all throughout.

you're lying that you read the Bible.

Dumb. Fuck.
That makes him a bloodthirsty murderer?:lol No wonder your ex banged another man. You're a borderline tard.

[xmas1997]

Rob still doing the lord's butthurt work.

How can you logically say "anything" is the Lords anything, much less work, if you don't believe a Lord exists in the first place.
That is completely illogical.

[RD2191]

How can you logically say "anything" is the Lords anything, much less work, if you don't believe a Lord exists in the first place.
That is completely illogical.

[spurraider21]

I think it is perfectly logical to surmise that since there are billions of planets out there in space, there is a likely hood that there is also intelligent life out there as well.
That is not too great a stretch of the imagination.
And there is no reason not to believe that God did not create that life there as well.
its a stretch to assume either exists

[Blake]

That makes him a bloodthirsty murderer?:lol No wonder your ex banged another man. You're a borderline tard.

Who said murderer?

Lol tard.

[Blake]

How can you logically say "anything" is the Lords anything, much less work, if you don't believe a Lord exists in the first place.
That is completely illogical.

smh.

I'm joking with rob when I call him retarded. I think he's just behind in education.

I seriously think you're retarded. No joke.

[RD2191]

Who said murderer?

Lol tard.
I'm pretty sure you've claimed God was a murderer before.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm pretty sure you've claimed God was a murderer before.That might depend on one's definition of murder.

[xmas1997]

smh.

I'm joking with rob when I call him retarded. I think he's just behind in education.

I seriously think you're retarded. No joke.

I might believe you if you were ever known for telling the truth, but since you are known for being a liar and a troll like chump, then what can you expect us to do, believe you.
Au contraire.
And I thought you said you were never serious on here.
Your faulty logic betrays your ignorance, moron!

[ChumpDumper]

I might believe you if you were ever known for telling the truth, but since you are known for being a liar and a troll like chump, then what can you expect us to do, believe you.
Oh contrar.
And I thought you said you were never serious on here.
Your faulty logic betrays your ignorance, moron!It's au contraire, Ivy.

[Blake]

That might depend on one's definition of murder.

or definition of "blood thirsty"

[xmas1997]

It's au contraire, Ivy.

I haven't had a chance to edit my spelling yet.
Does that bother you?

[ChumpDumper]

I haven't had a chance to edit my spelling yet.You are free to do so now with my correction and blessing.

Does that bother you?Found it funny tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

I might believe you if you were ever known for telling the truth, but since you are known for being a liar and a troll like chump, then what can you expect us to do, believe you.
As contraire.
And I thought you said you were never serious on here.
Your faulty logic betrays your ignorance, moron!One more edit, Ivy.

[xmas1997]

You are free to do so now with my correction and blessing.
Found it funny tbh.

It is easy to amuse someone of your intelligence.

[ChumpDumper]

It is easy to amuse someone of your intelligence.Twice now.

[xmas1997]

Twice now.

It can stand, the iPad has a mind of its own.

[DarrinS]

Don't argue God with people. I don't like people trying to sway me one way or the other.

[ChumpDumper]

It can stand, the iPad has a mind of its own.Technology is hard.

[it's me]

When anything can make the impact this God of the Bible has made you don't run your mouth like some punk ass kid...ok? I know a lot of people where God totally changed their lives for the better. Actually the believers I know are far better off than the atheists I know. God has saved lives.

I just struggle trying to understand why we need the cartoons, I do believe all that Biblical stuff is man made, but......it has without question changed lives.

It's not important if it's the Biblical God or not, it's important that you realize no way in hell this could have just happen by chance, yep....impossible!

So you basically believe in that lunatic motherfucker bible god... fair enough :lol

[it's me]

I have. And God is not a bloodthirsty murderer. Dumbass.

Sure.... just decided that sacrificing all sort of living creatures would help hide his favorite creatures sins from him :lmao.... just to think about the stupidity of the expiation by sacrifice system should be proof enough for any person with average intelligence to see old testament son of a bitch (bible god :lol) is man made.

[xmas1997]

Sure.... just decided that sacrificing all sort of living creatures would help hide his favorite creatures sins from him :lmao.... just to think about the stupidity of the expiation by sacrifice system should be proof enough for any person with average intelligence to see old testament son of a bitch (bible god :lol) is man made.

Do you think the it was speaking literally rather than allegorically?
Just asking, no offense meant.

[RD2191]

Sure.... just decided that sacrificing all sort of living creatures would help hide his favorite creatures sins from him :lmao.... just to think about the stupidity of the expiation by sacrifice system should be proof enough for any person with average intelligence to see old testament son of a bitch (bible god :lol) is man made.As man made as evolution. :wakeup

[spurraider21]

Don't argue God with people. I don't like people trying to sway me one way or the other.
its impossible to sway somebody's beliefs about God, since it's ultimately based on faith anyway, as opposed to hard evidence. it can boil down to people trying to prove/disprove god's existence, but its up to the individuals if they choose to make the leap of faith or not

the main thing that gets on my nerves is when people argue certain scientific points when they have zero grasp of the concept at hand

[ChumpDumper]

Do you think the it was speaking literally rather than allegorically?
Just asking, no offense meant.
2 Samuel 21 King James Version (KJV)

21 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the Lord. And the Lord answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites.

2 And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; and the children of Israel had sworn unto them: and Saul sought to slay them in his zeal to the children of Israel and Judah.)

3 Wherefore David said unto the Gibeonites, What shall I do for you? and wherewith shall I make the atonement, that ye may bless the inheritance of the Lord?

4 And the Gibeonites said unto him, We will have no silver nor gold of Saul, nor of his house; neither for us shalt thou kill any man in Israel. And he said, What ye shall say, that will I do for you.

5 And they answered the king, The man that consumed us, and that devised against us that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the coasts of Israel,

6 Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the Lord in Gibeah of Saul, whom the Lord did choose. And the king said, I will give them.

7 But the king spared Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan the son of Saul, because of the Lord's oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul.

8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

9 And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the Lord: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest.

10 And Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth, and spread it for her upon the rock, from the beginning of harvest until water dropped upon them out of heaven, and suffered neither the birds of the air to rest on them by day, nor the beasts of the field by night.

11 And it was told David what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done.

12 And David went and took the bones of Saul and the bones of Jonathan his son from the men of Jabeshgilead, which had stolen them from the street of Bethshan, where the Philistines had hanged them, when the Philistines had slain Saul in Gilboa:

13 And he brought up from thence the bones of Saul and the bones of Jonathan his son; and they gathered the bones of them that were hanged.

14 And the bones of Saul and Jonathan his son buried they in the country of Benjamin in Zelah, in the sepulchre of Kish his father: and they performed all that the king commanded. And after that God was intreated for the land.God seemed pretty pleased with the very literal sacrifice of seven men in his name.

[xmas1997]

its impossible to sway somebody's beliefs about God, since it's ultimately based on faith anyway, as opposed to hard evidence. it can boil down to people trying to prove/disprove god's existence, but its up to the individuals if they choose to make the leap of faith or not

Plus it's not a matter of swaying IMHO.
It's a matter of discussing without the intent of swaying in the first place in order to better understand someone's point of view.
To do otherwise is an attempt to proselytize or convert someone who does not want to be converted in the first place.
That could be considered to be an invasion and thus be resisted rather than sharing points of views IMHO.

[xmas1997]

God seemed pretty pleased with the very literal sacrifice of seven men in his name.

So you believe in a literal translation?

[ChumpDumper]

So you believe in a literal translation?I only have the words written in the Bible to go on here.

Explain how it is an allegorical human sacrifice.

Use the scripture itself to show how seven men were not really killed to gain God's favor in this account.

[xmas1997]

Explain how it is an allegorical human sacrifice.

Use the scripture itself to show how seven men were not really killed to gain God's favor in this account.

So you believe in a literal translation?

I don't.

[it's me]

Do you think the it was speaking literally rather than allegorically?
Just asking, no offense meant.

I see, you're the guy that writes a lot and says nothing, I've read some of your circular reasoning here and there. answering your question, it depends on who you ask.... what do you believe? Did crist actually died and resurrected or is all allegorical made up stuff?

[ChumpDumper]

So you believe in a literal translation?I only have the words of the bible to go by in this story, so I have no reason to conclude it is describing anything other than an actual human sacrifice.

Why would the Bible not mean what it says?

Are you calling the Bible a lie?

[spurraider21]

So you believe in a literal translation?

I don't.
just so we don't go in the same circles over again, if you don't take the stories literally, that means you don't believe they actually occurred as stated in the bible

[it's me]

As man made as evolution. :wakeup

Possibly..... fact remains though :wakeup

[it's me]

just so we don't go in the same circles over again, if you don't take the stories literally, that means you don't believe they actually occurred as stated in the bible

I think this is pretty accurate.... shit happened or didn't, simple isn't it?

[xmas1997]

I see, you're the guy that writes a lot and says nothing, I've read some of your circular reasoning here and there. answering your question, it depends on who you ask.... what do you believe? Did crist actually died and resurrected or is all allegorical made up stuff?

No, I think there is much truth contained within it, as there are in all the great books.
But I see more allegory than literalism is all I am saying.
I think Jesus Christ actually did die and resurrected.
But there is no way I can prove it.
I can't prove evolution either.
Nor can I prove the universe is expanding.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Jesus Christ actually did die and resurrected.crofl

Why did you stonewall about this all day just to give it away for free now?

Pure troll behavior.

[xmas1997]

just so we don't go in the same circles over again, if you don't take the stories literally, that means you don't believe they actually occurred as stated in the bible

I'll try not to go in circles if I can.

[it's me]

No, I think there is much truth contained within it, as there are in all the great books.
But I see more allegory than literalism is all I am saying.
I think Jesus Christ actually did die and resurrected.
But there is no way I can prove it.
I can't prove evolution either.
Nor can I prove the universe is expanding.

So, jesus did die and resurrected, but some other stories are allegories? how convenient. Let me guess.... every time old testament lunatic deity does something crazy it is an allegory, when dude does good it is literal.

Define truth please.

[spurraider21]

I think Jesus Christ actually did die and resurrected.
so you take the story of the resurrection literally

[DMC]

its allegory if it no longer fits current moral standards.

[xmas1997]

I'll try not to go in circles if I can.

Some of the allegory was explained through the use of parables, but even the parables were shrouded in mystery for reasons that only today we are beginning to understand like the parable of the mustard seed IMHO.
But parables were also a form of allegorical story telling, they were meant to give us lessons in how to live our lives. In other cases they were meant to be symbols of of things alluded to but not openly explained, such as brothers symbolizing mountains, or cities, etc., things of that nature.
The OT is full of it more so than the NT IMHO.
But keep in mind, this is my opinion.

[xmas1997]

so you take the story of the resurrection literally

I think much of the resurrection may have been literal.
But not having been there, there is no way I can say for sure.

[xmas1997]

its allegory if it no longer fits current moral standards.

There is a certain amount of truth to that statement IMHO.
Times change, and so does the morals evolve with the times.

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously, it's much easier to believe seven dudes were sacrificed in an attempt to please God than to believe God spawned himself by impregnating a virgin, then let himself be killed and resurrected himself then just left for good, only to be seen later in clouds and toast.

[spurraider21]

I think much of the resurrection may have been literal.
so you take some parts of the bible literally, but other parts figuratively.

But not having been there, there is no way I can say for sure.
of course. again, that's why this is a discussion of your beliefs. i've never asked you to tell me exactly what happened. i've always just asked for your beliefs. it seems you have moved on from those nonsensical arguments and are being a bit clearer about your belief system :tu

[Malik Hairston]

Avante and his family seem so fucking corny and boring(along with fat and ugly, of course), tbh:lol..