Which coach would you rather play for? [Archive]

The Reckoning

08-21-2014, 03:47 PM

1. Strong
2. Patterson
3. Sumlin
4. Kingsbury

based off of who would develop me best as a player and simply not play the most athletic or gifted ones

FkLA

08-21-2014, 04:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9I4a0V7FZ8&app=desktop

Juan

08-21-2014, 04:31 PM

Patterson
Sumlin
Kingsbury

Strong.

What a boring ass coach.

Blake

08-21-2014, 04:46 PM

1. Strong
2. Patterson
3. Sumlin
4. Kingsbury

based off of who would develop me best as a player and simply not play the most athletic or gifted ones

your #4 pick took a 3 star QB and helped develop him into a Heisman winner.

Just sayin.

FkLA

08-21-2014, 04:50 PM

Honestly, I don't like the douche swag thing Sumlin and Kingsbury have going on. I've always liked my coaches to be some sort of authority figure, not people I can relate to. Strong seems a little slow to me honestly but I'd still rather play for him over the first two.

Top 3 in Texas would be Patterson, Coker and Briles imo.

Blake

08-21-2014, 04:57 PM

Briles #1 imo.

But i hate Waco...

The Reckoning

08-21-2014, 05:42 PM

your #4 pick took a 3 star QB and helped develop him into a Heisman winner.

Just sayin.

johnny manziel was a freak in high school. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161939&highlight=johnny+manziel

even we knew that at the time. just because kingsbury and sumlin have a system in place that highlights certain talents, doesn't mean they develop them.

FkLA

08-21-2014, 06:01 PM

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161939&highlight=johnny+manziel

He would be ok, but I'm not sure why you guys are getting so excited over a 3 star kid.

lol Blake

Blake

08-21-2014, 08:29 PM

I wasn't the one that gave him the 3 star rating.

Rivals missed. Not me.

Blake

08-21-2014, 08:30 PM

johnny manziel was a freak in high school. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161939&highlight=johnny+manziel

even we knew that at the time. just because kingsbury and sumlin have a system in place that highlights certain talents, doesn't mean they develop them.

Lol you knew a Heisman was coming

K

The Reckoning

08-21-2014, 08:43 PM

Lol you knew a Heisman was coming

K

you seem to think 3 star prospects are worthless. so do you think colt mccoy was groomed into a heisman candidate by mack brown?

Sisk

08-21-2014, 10:25 PM

you seem to think 3 star prospects are worthless. so do you think colt mccoy was groomed into a heisman candidate by mack brown?

So do you just pick and choose when to give credit and when to give blame? Can't credit Mack with McCoy and can't credit Sumlin or Kliff with Johnny. When do you give coaches credit? Let me guess, Strong for Louisville's defense?

Avante

08-21-2014, 10:26 PM

I'm playing in the PAC12, where they know what QB play is really all about.

Forget the fact I'm a running back.

The Reckoning

08-21-2014, 10:54 PM

So do you just pick and choose when to give credit and when to give blame? Can't credit Mack with McCoy and can't credit Sumlin or Kliff with Johnny. When do you give coaches credit? Let me guess, Strong for Louisville's defense?

the OP didn't specifically say what position would you rather play under them. i'd say those coaches are very specialized or recruit assistants who are. Strong seems more like an all-around coach, plus in hindsight all of those coaches had a player who was a heisman candidate. it's interesting to take team's F/+ from years past and compare them with recruiting rankings to give a rough estimate of how the team was developed.

as far as development goes i'd rather have a coach who focused on more discipline and demanded that i was at my very best rather than tell me how great beyonce and i are. matter of personal opinion, of course.

Blake

08-22-2014, 07:40 AM

you seem to think 3 star prospects are worthless. so do you think colt mccoy was groomed into a heisman candidate by mack brown?

I simply questioned the excitement over a 3 star prospect that would have been asked to play defense at UT.

And yeah, coaching staff at UT deserves some rare credit for actually coaching a kid up in McCoy's case.

Blake

08-22-2014, 08:27 AM

as far as development goes i'd rather have a coach who focused on more discipline and demanded that i was at my very best rather than tell me how great beyonce and i are. matter of personal opinion, of course.

Sure. But if you're a QB, there's no denying what Kliff has done regardless of Beyonce.

He's a 2 time offensive coordinator of the year with two different schools in two different conferences.

At Houston, Case Keenum broke all sorts of records
A&M Johnny won the Heisman
Tech: Webb and Mayfield both got big 12 offensive player if the week awards

Mayfield got big 12 freshman offensive player of the year.

As a walk on.

rjv

08-22-2014, 09:33 AM

coach kliff told them not to mess with the hair. classic.

Sisk

08-22-2014, 11:54 AM

Sure. But if you're a QB, there's no denying what Kliff has done regardless of Beyonce.

He's a 2 time offensive coordinator of the year with two different schools in two different conferences.

At Houston, Case Keenum broke all sorts of records
A&M Johnny won the Heisman
Tech: Webb and Mayfield both got big 12 offensive player if the week awards

Mayfield got big 12 freshman offensive player of the year.

As a walk on.

But he has fun with his players so he can't put them into the NFL.

Blake

08-22-2014, 12:06 PM

But he has fun with his players so he can't put them into the NFL.

Too much Beyonce. Not enough discipline.

ThePop

08-22-2014, 12:53 PM

It's not complicated. If I'm a defensive player, Strong or Patterson. Offfense, the other two and Briles.

The Reckoning

08-22-2014, 02:58 PM

But he has fun with his players so he can't put them into the NFL.

thanks for your input on the topic and providing your own list. you contribute a lot to the discussion.

The Reckoning

08-22-2014, 02:58 PM

Too much Beyonce. Not enough discipline.

ditto to the farmer

and just because you have a coach who enables you to put up stats in college doesn't mean it will translate well into the NFL. on the contrary, the game manager types tend to last longer.

Blake

08-22-2014, 04:10 PM

ditto to the farmer

and just because you have a coach who enables you to put up stats in college doesn't mean it will translate well into the NFL. on the contrary, the game manager types tend to last longer.

What a nifty strawman argument you got there

DesignatedT

08-22-2014, 04:22 PM

Sumlin
Kingsbury
Patterson

Strong

The Reckoning

08-22-2014, 04:30 PM

What a nifty strawman argument you got there

thanks. yours was too.

Blake

08-22-2014, 04:42 PM

thanks. yours was too.

I didn't make one.

You said " based off of who would develop me best as a player and simply not play the most athletic or gifted ones"

Keenum will start games for the Texans this year.

Johnny is a first round pick.

I'd say the odds are high that Webb gets drafted too.

No straw here.

The Reckoning

08-22-2014, 05:13 PM

I didn't make one.

You said " based off of who would develop me best as a player and simply not play the most athletic or gifted ones"

Keenum will start games for the Texans this year.

Johnny is a first round pick.

I'd say the odds are high that Webb gets drafted too.

No straw here.

yeah you made it about quarterbacks. what if i wasn't a quarterback?

regardless, teddy bridgewater.

ever heard of a certain gingeresque quarterback doing very well at cincy? all of the coaches had a great quarterback and/or heisman candidate at one time.

and no, i didn't play quarterback. so why would i give a fuck?

Blake

08-22-2014, 05:45 PM

yeah you made it about quarterbacks. what if i wasn't a quarterback?

You didn't specify which position. You left it open, so I listed a two star and a three star player that Kliff has helped develop into Heisman candidates/winner and pro material.

regardless, teddy bridgewater.

ever heard of a certain gingeresque quarterback doing very well at cincy? all of the coaches had a great quarterback and/or heisman candidate at one time.

and no, i didn't play quarterback. so why would i give a fuck?

more strawman but I won't stand in your way of beating up on it.

The Reckoning

08-22-2014, 05:49 PM

You didn't specify which position. You left it open, so I listed a two star and a three star player that Kliff has helped develop into Heisman candidates/winner and pro material.

more strawman but I won't stand in your way of beating up on it.

nice little new vocab word you got there though. maybe you should re-check your vocab list of the week to verify what it exactly is.

i rest my case anyway and i'll let the e-jury decide. have fun in this thread.

Blake

08-22-2014, 05:56 PM

This is a dictionary example of a strawman:

ditto to the farmer

and just because you have a coach who enables you to put up stats in college doesn't mean it will translate well into the NFL. on the contrary, the game manager types tend to last longer.

Nobody is arguing against you on that one. Nobody brought up "game manager".

Just you. Pure straw.

Blake

08-22-2014, 05:58 PM

nice little new vocab word you got there though. maybe you should re-check your vocab list of the week to verify what it exactly is.

i rest my case anyway and i'll let the e-jury decide. have fun in this thread.

"strawman" has been used a lot on these boards. I've brought up the term a lot myself over the years when I see one in action.

See ya later.

FkLA

08-22-2014, 11:21 PM

I'd say the odds are high that Webb gets drafted too.

I lol'd.

Blake

08-23-2014, 12:31 AM

I lol'd.

Of course you did. You're not bright.

FkLA

08-23-2014, 01:06 AM

Of course you did. You're not bright.

lol homer

What has Webb done to suggest the 'odds are high'? Has any Tech QB even been drafted since Kliff? And he actually put up monster numbers+broke records, and was still only a 6th-7th rounder.

Blake

08-23-2014, 09:30 AM

Odds are high, imo.

Kliff had a noodle arm. Symons got drafted I think by the Texans, but he was short.

Webb's the build of an NFL QB and Kliff said he has top 5 pick potential.

We know if he stays healthy that the numbers will be there.

Put it all together and I personally think it's a lock he goes somewhere in the first 7 rounds.

FkLA

08-23-2014, 03:38 PM

And Coker thinks Tucker Carter has 'next level potential'. Doesnt make it any more true, coaches are homers.

At this point Webb hasnt done anything that suggests his odds are high. You are basically being a homer by considering his absolute best case scenario a given.

Blake

08-23-2014, 03:53 PM

Yeah, it's true I don't have any evidence. It's my opinion that he'll be a draft pick based on everything I've seen and read of the kid.

If you want to call homer, you can. If you want to put a couple of bucks on Webb getting drafted, I'm fine with that too.

FkLA

08-23-2014, 04:22 PM

ill put $100 on him not getting drafted

Blake

08-23-2014, 04:25 PM

If we can come up with some decent parameters regarding injury/health, you have a deal

FkLA

08-23-2014, 04:36 PM

Blake

08-23-2014, 06:26 PM

I can agree to that if he has a career ending injury. If he just struggles to stay healthy no, since the fact that he is currently a toothpick is part of the reason why I think saying his odds are high is really premature.

Toothpick? Lol no.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/kliff-kingsbury-texas-tech-davis-webb-primed-for-big-12-stardom-052814

He can't miss more than 25% (must play in 75%) of his remaining college football days due to injury.

If he gets benched because he sucks and misses those games, too bad for me.

Deal?

Sisk

08-23-2014, 06:44 PM

I'm loving all of these bets that are taking place. We will all look stupid or smart really soon.

Blake

08-23-2014, 06:48 PM

I'm loving all of these bets that are taking place. We will all look stupid or smart really soon.

Not so soon on this particular bet....

What other bets are out there?

DMX7

08-23-2014, 09:36 PM

I'm loving all of these bets that are taking place. We will all look stupid or smart really soon.

Can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen.

Sisk

08-23-2014, 10:22 PM

Not so soon on this particular bet....

What other bets are out there?

Isnt there a bet that DesignatedT and DMX bet?

FkLA

08-23-2014, 10:27 PM

didn't know an illness was the reason he looked so thin last yr, still not seeing it though I'll take that bet

Blake

08-23-2014, 10:56 PM

K, I'll set my alarm for the 2017 nfl draft.

FkLA

08-24-2014, 05:02 PM

:lol :tu

Obstructed_View

08-31-2014, 05:15 PM

Briles #1 imo.

But i hate Waco...
As do most people who have lived there.

Blake

12-14-2016, 10:41 AM

ill put $100 on him not getting drafted

:hungry:

FkLA

12-14-2016, 01:49 PM

:hungry:

:lol

I think he's basically a lock to be drafted, right?

Blake

12-14-2016, 02:52 PM

Lol I don't need your money. Just the satisfaction trophy.

Unless you say otherwise, the bet is off the table. 48 hour clock starts now

FkLA

12-14-2016, 03:28 PM

Well, I'm not going to argue about not paying you. If you're giving me an out I'll gladly take it, tbh.

Blake

12-14-2016, 04:01 PM

Well, I'm not going to argue about not paying you. If you're giving me an out I'll gladly take it, tbh.

Done.

Blake

12-14-2016, 04:03 PM

If Kliff had any semblance of defense and could get to 8 or 9 wins he'd be getting a lot more attention of being a true QB guru.

Instead, he'll be on the hot seat next year.