Steph Curry is one of the most overrated players in the league..

[apalisoc_9]

It's sad IMO...

[SpurSwag]

Very wrong, still underrated if anything. No one talks about the near 9 apg or his disgusting clutch stats. This season there was a stat that said something along the lines of if his efficiency in the last minute of ball games was applied to 48 minutes (stretch of a stat, but still) he'd average around 130 a game.

[RD2191]

He's a PG so naturally he is very easy to shut down. Especially by Danny Green.

[Obstructed_View]

Dude gets his points and still manages to get good shots for his teammates. Gotta like a player who averages 18 points, 6 assists and 4 boards in games where he's "shut down".

[Cry Havoc]

Might go down as the greatest shooter in NBA history.

These threads doe. :lol

[RD2191]

Dude gets his points and still manages to get good shots for his teammates. Gotta like a player who averages 18 points, 6 assists and 4 boards in games where he's "shut down".
He's a faggot. And did his team win?

[DAF86]

Easily top ten player in the league.

[Holden_Caulfield]

if anyone is overrated its klay thompson

[DAF86]

1-Lebron
2-Durant
3-Davis
4-Paul
5-Howard
6-George
7-Westbrook
8-Love
9-Curry
10-Griffin

[RD2191]

1-Lebron
2-Durant
3-Davis
4-Paul
5-Howard
6-George
7-Westbrook
8-Love
9-Curry
10-Griffin
Paul? As in Chris Paul? The dude who has never been past the 2nd round? That Paul? Oh and Parker is a better player than both Paul and Curry. Even better than Westbrook. Oh and Kawhi is also better than George. Oh and I'd still take Duncan over Griffin.

[DAF86]

6 to 10 are exchangeable.

[DAF86]

Paul? As in Chris Paul? The dude who has never been past the 2nd round? That Paul? Oh and Parker is a better player than both Paul and Curry. Even better than Westbrook. Oh and Kawhi is also better than George. Oh and I'd still take Duncan over Griffin.

Yeah, the Chris Paul that season after season posts the best stats by far of any PG in the game. Parker last season had one of the worst postseasons by a "star" winning PG ever, put any of those PG you named on the Spurs and they win it all too. And no, Leonard isn't better than George and Duncan isn't better than Griffin right now, you're being a homer.

[RD2191]

Yeah, the Chris Paul that season after season posts the best stats by far of any PG in the game. Parker last season had one of the worst postseasons by a "star" winning PG ever, put any of those PG you named on the Spurs and they win it all too. And no, Leonard isn't better than George and Duncan isn't better than Griffin right now, you're being a homer.
:lmaoYou mean the guy who can't get past the 2nd round? That guy is a winner? By your logic Kevin Garnett was a better player than Duncan the last 14 years. Don't let your Manu dicksucking get it the way of recognizing Parker as one of the best in the game.

[DAF86]

:lmaoYou mean the guy who can't get past the 2nd round? That guy is a winner? By your logic Kevin Garnett was a better player than Duncan the last 14 years. Don't let your Manu dicksucking get it the way of recognizing Parker as one of the best in the game.

Yeah, saying two PGs are better than Parker=Parker not being one of the best in the game.

I'm done arguing with you.

[RD2191]

Yeah, the Chris Paul that season after season posts the best stats by far of any PG in the game. Parker last season had one of the worst postseasons by a "star" winning PG ever, put any of those PG you named on the Spurs and they win it all too. And no, Leonard isn't better than George and Duncan isn't better than Griffin right now, you're being a homer.
Leonard is better than George on both ends of the floor. Duncan routinely schools Griffin so no homerism here.

[RD2191]

Of course you are, because how anyone can claim Choke Paul is a better player than TP is beyond me.

[DAF86]

Of course you are, because how anyone can claim Choke Paul is a better player than TP is beyond me.

It's easy, just watch the games instead of going the Kobefan route of "counting rings".

[RD2191]

It's easy, just watch the games instead of going the Kobefan route of "counting rings".
As I said before, by your logic KG was a better player than Duncan career wise.

[DAF86]

Chris Paul's stats when he got eliminated in the second round: 22.5 ppg, 11.8 apg, 3.7 rpg, 2.5 spg, 51 FG%, 45 3PT%

Those are ridiculous stats b... but he's a choker 'cause he never played with a team as good as the Spurs. :cry :lmao

[DAF86]

As I said before, by your logic KG was a better player than Duncan career wise.

No, 'cause watching the games you can clearly see that Duncan was far more dominant than KG ever was. Even though KG is underrated by most dumbfans because of his lack of rings.

[RD2191]

Chris Paul's stats when he got eliminated in the second round: 22.5 ppg, 11.8 apg, 3.7 rpg, 2.5 spg, 51 FG%, 45 3PT%

Those are ridiculous stats b... but he's a choker 'cause he never played with a team as good as the Spurs. :cry :lmao
The Spurs have never had an extremely talented team, they just know how to win and not choke under pressure unlike CP3 and his choke gene. I like how you dismiss TPs 2013 run. Damn near carried the team to a title. Much more than CP3 has ever done. Of course he puts up good stats, he's never had a deep playoff run. Always well rested to put up dem stats. I'll take the 4 time NBA champ and Finals MVP.

[RD2191]

No, 'cause watching the games you can clearly see that Duncan was far more dominant than KG ever was. Even though KG is underrated by most dumbfans because of his lack of rings.
You mean Duncan knew how to win? Just how like Parker also knows how to win.

[DAF86]

The Spurs have never had an extremely talented team, they just know how to win and not choke under pressure unlike CP3 and his choke gene. I like how you dismiss TPs 2013 run. Damn near carried the team to a title. Much more than CP3 has ever done. Of course he puts up good stats, he's never had a deep playoff run. Always well rested to put up dem stats. I'll take the 4 time NBA champ and Finals MVP.

When the fuck did I do that? And what does that run have anything to do with the things we're discussing right now? :lol

[DAF86]

You mean Duncan knew how to win? Just how like Parker also knows how to win.

Funny how KG didn't know "how to win" untill he got a good team around him. Hell of a coincidence.

[Red Hawk #21]

Leonard is better than George on both ends of the floor. Duncan routinely schools Griffin so no homerism here.

Leonard is better than George? Which George are you talking about? You must mean George Hill? If you're talking about who I think you're talking about then you're smoking something strong.

[Perry Mason]

Chris Paul's stats when he got eliminated in the second round: 22.5 ppg, 11.8 apg, 3.7 rpg, 2.5 spg, 51 FG%, 45 3PT%

Those are ridiculous stats b... but he's a choker 'cause he never played with a team as good as the Spurs. :cry :lmao


Stats are cute and indicate the "tier" of a player, but once a player is a leader on a playoff team, the litmus test is no longer who has more efficient or productive stats, but who made the best decisions to contribute to his team's victory. Those decisions may mean that the player has low stats.

Example: Tony Parker's Game 3 in the Finals, where Pop praised him. Pop doesn't praise lightly.

I again look at Game 5 against OKC this year, since both teams faced the same team in the same Playoff year. TP put up balanced stats, and played an excellent floor game with few mistakes. Chris Paul put up moderately nicer stats, but shit the bed in the game's critical moments.

The claim that the Spurs would have the same level of success with CP3 instead of TP is unknowable nonsense. I suspect the claim is false as I believe TP is the more intelligent decision maker and has less of an ego. But all we do know is that CP3, as a team leader with all of the leeway a player can have in this league, and with very good teams, has never gone beyond the second round.

[Texas_Ranger]

I am sorry but Paul is better than Parker on both sides of the court. And please don't start with the choking cause Tony is also a well known choker in big games. Replace Parker with Paul on the Spurs and this team would be fucking unstoppable.

[RD2191]

When the fuck did I do that? And what does that run have anything to do with the things we're discussing right now? :lol
Because for some reason you brought up Parkers 13-14 season as a knock on him. When in reality it wasn't that bad at all.

Career stats
TP9 17.1 ppg 6 assist on .495 fg%
CP3 18.6 PPG 9.9 assist on .472 fg%

Not a huge difference considering TP averages 4 less minutes of playing time career wise.

[RD2191]

I am sorry but Paul is better than Parker on both sides of the court. And please don't start with the choking cause Tony is also a well known choker in big games. Replace Parker with Paul on the Spurs and this team would be fucking unstoppable.
:lmao

[RD2191]

Stats are cute and indicate the "tier" of a player, but once a player is a leader on a playoff team, the litmus test is no longer who has more efficient or productive stats, but who made the best decisions to contribute to his team's victory. Those decisions may mean that the player has low stats.

Example: Tony Parker's Game 3 in the Finals, where Pop praised him. Pop doesn't praise lightly.

I again look at Game 5 against OKC this year, since both teams faced the same team in the same Playoff year. TP put up balanced stats, and played an excellent floor game with few mistakes. Chris Paul put up moderately nicer stats, but shit the bed in the game's critical moments.

The claim that the Spurs would have the same level of success with CP3 instead of TP is unknowable nonsense. I suspect the claim is false as I believe TP is the more intelligent decision maker and has less of an ego. But all we do know is that CP3, as a team leader with all of the leeway a player can have in this league, and with very good teams, has never gone beyond the second round.
Truth nuke.

[Perry Mason]

I am sorry but Paul is better than Parker on both sides of the court. And please don't start with the choking cause Tony is also a well known choker in big games. Replace Parker with Paul on the Spurs and this team would be fucking unstoppable.'

Chokers don't win a Finals MVP. Chokers don't play games in the Finals like TP's Game 1 2013 finals, or Games 1, 3 and 4 of the 2014 finals, or the 4th quarter of Game 5 this year.

And Chokers most certainly don't nearly will their team to victory in Game 6 as TP did:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdV0XsrWl8g

[Chinook]

Curry is overrated as hell. He'd be awesome as a second banana. But as far as I'm concerned, as a first option, he puts up empty stats because he can be shut down by a single defender. He gets most of his assists from teams being stupid and leaving people open to help on him. That's obviously a credit to his intelligence, but if teams just played him straight up, he wouldn't look nearly as good.

[DAF86]

Stats are cute and indicate the "tier" of a player, but once a player is a leader on a playoff team, the litmus test is no longer who has more efficient or productive stats, but who made the best decisions to contribute to his team's victory. Those decisions may mean that the player has low stats.

Example: Tony Parker's Game 3 in the Finals, where Pop praised him. Pop doesn't praise lightly.

I again look at Game 5 against OKC this year, since both teams faced the same team in the same Playoff year. TP put up balanced stats, and played an excellent floor game with few mistakes. Chris Paul put up moderately nicer stats, but shit the bed in the game's critical moments.

The claim that the Spurs would have the same level of success with CP3 instead of TP is unknowable nonsense. I suspect the claim is false as I believe TP is the more intelligent decision maker and has less of an ego. But all we do know is that CP3, as a team leader with all of the leeway a player can have in this league, and with very good teams, has never gone beyond the second round.

You're bringing a lot of subjective bullshit to the conversation. Do you really think the Spurs wouldn't have won it all replacing CP3 with Tony? The same Tony that didn't play in the closeout games against Portland and OKC and that went scoreless in the closeout against Miami till we were 15 or so pts ahead in the 4th quarter? Really?

[RD2191]

You're bringing a lot of subjective bullshit to the conversation. Do you really think the Spurs wouldn't have won it all replacing CP3 with Tony? The same Tony that didn't play in the closeout games against Portland and OKC and that went scoreless in the closeout against Miami till we were 15 or so pts ahead in the 4th quarter? Really?
Okay, so replace Duncan with KG and the Spurs have 5 titles today?

[Chinook]

Replace Parker with Paul on the Spurs and this team would be fucking unstoppable.

Nah. Paul likes to dominate the ball a lot more than Parker did this season. Chris is actually a pretty good off-ball player. But because he holds the ball so much, his teams' offenses are relatively easy to shut down by good teams. He's a lot like Curry in that way.

I agree that Paul is a better player in a vacuum than Parker, though.

[DAF86]

Okay, so replace Duncan with KG and the Spurs have 5 titles today?

You are all over the place son. Why bring this up wehn I already said that Duncan is clearly better than KG? You're grasping at straws hard son. :lol

[Malik Hairston]

Realistically, there are at least 15 PGs that could have replaced Parker this season and the Spurs still would have won the title:lol..he was absolutely horrendous, especially against OKC..

2014 Parker and 2013 Parker are night and day, tbh..one was an MVP candidate that had a great playoff run until games 6-7 of the Finals, and the other struggled throughout the playoffs and was statistically a net negative..

[DAF86]

Nah. Paul likes to dominate the ball a lot more than Parker did this season. Chris is actually a pretty good off-ball player. But because he holds the ball so much, his teams' offenses are relatively easy to shut down by good teams. He's a lot like Curry in that way.

I agree that Paul is a better player in a vacuum than Parker, though.

Yeah, and he wouldn't change his style one bit playing on this team under Pop.

Sorry, I forgot to blue that.

[RD2191]

You are all over the place son. Why bring this up wehn I already said that Duncan is clearly better than KG? You're grasping at straws hard son. :lol
How is he clearly better?

[DAF86]

How is he clearly better?

Among other things 'cause when the going got tough you could just give Duncan the ball in the post and have him dominate from there. KG never had that dominant post game.

[Malik Hairston]

Curry is overrated as hell. He'd be awesome as a second banana. But as far as I'm concerned, as a first option, he puts up empty stats because he can be shut down by a single defender. He gets most of his assists from teams being stupid and leaving people open to help on him. That's obviously a credit to his intelligence, but if teams just played him straight up, he wouldn't look nearly as good.

To be fair, Curry played in one of the 3 most ISO-oriented teams in the league under Mark Jackson(statistically IIRC)..it'll be interesting to see how he looks in a more free-flowing system where he isn't the only creator most of the time..it should give us an indication of whether Curry's questionable style of play(a lot of 1 on 1 and bad shot selection) was due to coaching or his lack of certain skills..

[RD2191]

Among other things 'cause when the going got tough you could just give Duncan the ball in the post and have him dominate from there. KG never had that dominant post game.
Oh okay, Duncan knew how to win. Thank you.

[RD2191]

http://www.basesandbaskets.com/2013/02/kevin-garnett-vs-tim-duncan-comparison.html

[Clipper Nation]

1-Lebron
2-Durant
3-Davis
4-Paul
5-Howard
6-George
7-Westbrook
8-Love
9-Curry
10-Griffin
:lol Such a retarded list, starting with Davis already being ranked third without having done much yet, followed by Choke Paul and George being overrated, and Westbrook, Love, and Curry being ranked over Blake....

[DAF86]

Oh okay, Duncan knew how to win. Thank you.

KG knew how to win as soon as he got a good enough team around him. Saying Duncan is better than KG doesn't mean Garnett is some choker that doesn't know how to win. If you think that you're dumb. You still have time son, don't be dumb.

[Baam]

Realistically, there are at least 15 PGs that could have replaced Parker this season and the Spurs still would have won the title:lol..he was absolutely horrendous, especially against OKC..

2014 Parker and 2013 Parker are night and day, tbh..one was an MVP candidate that had a great playoff run until games 6-7 of the Finals, and the other struggled throughout the playoffs and was statistically a net negative..

Well to be fair 2013 Parker forced teams to defend 2014 Parker heavily giving room to other guys... And he still torched the Blazers and the Mavs in game 7 and was overall very consistent.

[RD2191]

Wipe your face when you're done, DAF86.

[RD2191]

KG knew how to win as soon as he got a good enough team around him. Saying Duncan is better than KG doesn't mean Garnett is some choker that doesn't know how to win. If you think that you're dumb. You still have time son, don't be dumb.
Their primes were nearly identical. And KG only won 1 even while having arguably better players in Pierce and Allen than Duncan ever had around him. The link I posted tries to make the case that Duncan had the better team but I don't agree with that. Duncan simply has what it takes to win, just like Parker.

[Baam]

To be fair, Curry played in one of the 3 most ISO-oriented teams in the league under Mark Jackson(statistically IIRC)..it'll be interesting to see how he looks in a more free-flowing system where he isn't the only creator most of the time..it should give us an indication of whether Curry's questionable style of play(a lot of 1 on 1 and bad shot selection) was due to coaching or his lack of certain skills..

The only thing you can fault him with is being a PG... It's extremely hard to carry a (badly coached) team as a PG....

[RD2191]

:lol Such a retarded list, starting with Davis already being ranked third without having done much yet, followed by Choke Paul and George being overrated, and Westbrook, Love, and Curry being ranked over Blake....
I don't think this dude watches basketball, tbh.

[Malik Hairston]

Well to be fair 2013 Parker forced teams to defend 2014 Parker heavily giving room to other guys... And he still torched the Blazers and the Mavs in game 7 and was overall very consistent.

I think he was just genuinely fatigued and exhausted from the 2013 run of basketball, tbh..his legs looked finished all year, Pop even had to sit him out for a few weeks in the regular season..

[RD2191]

http://ilovefootballseason.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/chris-paul-chokes.jpg

[DAF86]

:lol Such a retarded list, starting with Davis already being ranked third without having done much yet, followed by Choke Paul and George being overrated, and Westbrook, Love, and Curry being ranked over Blake....


6 to 10 are exchangeable.

Griffin's improvement has surprised me nicely but he still has too many flaws fro me to consider him a top 5 player in the league. There's no reason for him with his athleticism and minutes played to average less than 10 rebounds per game, he doesn't present much of a defensive presence either and his jumper while improved is still streaky as fuck and when that fails he reverts to his monkeyball older self.

I used to think he was going to be a bust but he seems to have the mental fortitude to be a great player that's why I think he will keep improving but he still has too many holes in his game to place him as top 5 player, imho.

[cjw]

It still amazes me that people try to rank guys who play completely different positions in the NBA (who is better, Howard or Paul?). It's like deciding if Romo, Bryant or Tyron Smith is the best player on the Cowboys. (Thank goodness the defense is atrocious so they'll have another 8-8 season at best).

[Perry Mason]

You're bringing a lot of subjective bullshit to the conversation. Do you really think the Spurs wouldn't have won it all replacing CP3 with Tony? The same Tony that didn't play in the closeout games against Portland and OKC and that went scoreless in the closeout against Miami till we were 15 or so pts ahead in the 4th quarter? Really?

No, not subjective. Qualitative. Basketball is a human activity with the physical end of putting the ball in the hoop. You can quantify certain actions but the reality is that there is a nearly infinite amount of things you can quantify or measure on a court because the sport involves the interactive and synchronized movement of five players on each team at every single moment.

And so consequently, this is why Advanced Stats, while interesting, are not nearly as useful as believed. The simpler ones like plus/minus are useful for judging lineups. But the more complicated ones treat historical facts (points/rebounds etc.) as if they represent laws that will govern all future performance.

I guarantee Pop judges and values players based on a qualitative assessment, experience and intuition, of which stats are only a piece (a major piece to be sure). As someone who has followed the Spurs forever and listens carefully to Pop and his interviews, I am sure Pop looks primarily at a player's decision making and command of key fundamentals in assessing a player.

Going back to CP3, there is also a very real chance he wouldn't even be coachable by Pop, instead becoming a diva and remaining a ball-dominant guard.

[Malik Hairston]

The only thing you can fault him with is being a PG... It's extremely hard to carry a (badly coached) team as a PG....

I'm a fan of Curry's game, I think he'll look better in a new system, but ya, I'd rather have a PG as my #2 or 3 rather than my main guy, which has produced much better results, obviously..

[RD2191]

Griffin's improvement has surprised me nicely but he still has too many flaws fro me to consider him a top 5 player in the league. There's no reason for him with his athleticism and minutes played to average less than 10 rebounds per game, he doesn't present much of a defensive presence either and his jumper while improved is still streaky as fuck and when that fails he reverts to his monkeyball older self.

I used to think he was going to be a bust but he seems to have the mental fortitude to be a great player that's why I think he will keep improving but he still has too many holes in his game to place him as top 5 player, imho.
If only Griffin played next to Tony Parker, dude would of at least made the WCF by now.

[DAF86]

I don't think this dude watches basketball, tbh.

Why watch games when you can just go the "4 rings faggot" route and win every discussion, right?

[Clipper Nation]

If only Griffin played next to Tony Parker, dude would of at least made the WCF by now.

Nah, Enrique would get jealous and deny him the ball like he does with Kawhi :downspin:

[RD2191]

Why watch games when you can just go the "4 rings faggot" route and win every discussion, right?
http://www.pba-online.net/uploads/photo/tony-parker-112411.jpg

What? Can't concentrate on your question with all this winning around me.

[RD2191]

Nah, Enrique would get jealous and deny him the ball like he does with Kawhi :downspin:
Yeah, Parker was being a huge faggot with Kawhi for awhile there. He did better in the Finals though. Enrique did show up once or twice though.

[DAF86]

Nah, Enrique would get jealous and deny him the ball like he does with Kawhi :downspin:

Would like to see your non-retarded list, tbh.

[RD2191]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1831567!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/450688074.jpg

[RD2191]

4

[DAF86]

Nice, I got him posting pics now. Sorry guys.

[RD2191]

Hey, post one of Chris Paul in his WCF gear.

[Venti Quattro]

May be or may not be overrated but I like seeing Steph Curry play and I like to use the Warriors in 2k.

[RD2191]

Hey, post one of Chris Paul in his WCF gear.
:wakeup

[Chinook]

Yeah, and he wouldn't change his style one bit playing on this team under Pop.

Sorry, I forgot to blue that.

His style of play is part of what makes him good. No way to project that he'd be able to be effective, and especially willing. It's like people thinking Manu could have played Green's role if he had focused on it. Being better in general doesn't make you better at playing any role.

[RD2191]

Even just using stats and throwing out rings in no way is CP3 significantly better than Parker. Considering Parker is nowhere near as good at shooting the 3. Given Parkers will to win and know how I'd give Parker the nod as who I would want running the point for my team. I don't remember what record he broke or what he accomplished a couple of seasons ago but Parkers shooting % was unheard of for a player of his size. Maybe someone can help me out here.

[lefty]

if anyone is overrated its klay thompson
troof bombs imo

[benstanfield]

Curry is overrated
Thompson is overrated
Barnes overrated
Bogut and Lee always injured
Iggy career low year
People think Draymond Green is a good NBA player...

Top 5 defense...

:downspin:and they fired their coach to hire a first-timer.

Either ST is dead wrong about the players being overrated or they are dead wrong about Mark Jackson.

[Chinook]

How about that Jackson was a very good defensive coach with no concept of modern offensive scheme, and that the Warriors have very strong defensive players who happen to be overrated offensively?

[FkLA]

His style of play is part of what makes him good. No way to project that he'd be able to be effective, and especially willing. It's like people thinking Manu could have played Green's role if he had focused on it. Being better in general doesn't make you better at playing any role.

Paul is a better natural PG than Tony imo. Tony is known for going into hero mode occasionally while Paul is known for the complete opposite (disappearing).

He dominates the ball on his current team but I think once he became immersed in the Spurs culture he'd fit in seamlessly into the Spurs way tbh.

[FkLA]

1-Lebron
2-Durant
3-Davis
4-Paul
5-Howard
6-George
7-Westbrook
8-Love
9-Curry
10-Griffin


Leonard is better than George? Which George are you talking about? You must mean George Hill? If you're talking about who I think you're talking about then you're smoking something strong.

???

hes done tbh

[100%duncan]

Parker>Paul.
Leonard>George pre injury.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Paul is a better natural PG than Tony imo. Tony is known for going into hero mode occasionally while Paul is known for the complete opposite (disappearing).

He dominates the ball on his current team but I think once he became immersed in the Spurs culture he'd fit in seamlessly into the Spurs way tbh.

cp3 dissappearing act, u know his going to provide defense and defer...same cant be said about enrique where you need to bench his ass to get the message across...

[ambchang]

It's sad to see spurs fan counting rings to rate players like kobestans used to do.

[100%duncan]

It's sad to see spurs fan counting rings to rate players like kobestans used to do.

Can be an argument imho. I mean before, when Kobe>Duncan was blatant here because of 5>4, you really couldn't take it seriously as both have won the ship and proved their HOF status but when it comes in choosing between Parker and Paul, I mean the other guy hasn't even gone past the 2nd round yet.

[Red Hawk #21]

Parker>Paul.
Leonard>George pre injury.

No.

[RD2191]

It's sad to see spurs fan counting rings to rate players like kobestans used to do.
Well when two players are so close statistically rings have to become a factor, as I said before, what separates KG from Duncan?

[100%duncan]

No.
Nice

[Red Hawk #21]

I'm convinced some of these Spurs fans are mixing Hennessy with Crack. Leonard>Paul George? Seriously? Tony Parker>Chris Paul? Really?! I mean Jesus Christ, I loathe Chris Paul but damn some of you motherfuckers are blind homers.

[100%duncan]

I'm convinced some of these Spurs fans are mixing Hennessy with Crack. Leonard>Paul George? Seriously? Tony Parker>Chris Paul? Really?! I mean Jesus Christ, I loathe Chris Paul but damn some of you motherfuckers are blind homers.

What if doesn't come from a Spurs fan? How would you namecall em?

[Red Hawk #21]

What if doesn't come from a Spurs fan? How would you namecall em?

Can statistics back up statements such as Leonard>Paul George or Tony Parker>Chris Paul?

[DMC]

Can statistics back up statements such as Leonard>Paul George or Tony Parker>Chris Paul?

Yes.

Leonard 1
George 0

Parker 4
Paul 0

[bulakenyo]

One of my favorite jump shot forms of all time, in the NBA.

Quick release, low but explosive elevation, no unnecessary hang time and movements, no hitch and flawless shooting mechanics, great balance, great follow through and arc.

awesome form.

[100%duncan]

Can statistics back up statements such as Leonard>Paul George or Tony Parker>Chris Paul?

Bro TP's and CP3's stats are so close that you cant discount rings tbh. I mean where would you base it?

[Red Hawk #21]

Yes.

Leonard 1
George 0

Parker 4
Paul 0

Here we go once again with the "Cuatro Anillos, Puta!" line of thinking...
So is Robert Horry>Tim Duncan?
After all 7>5...

[RD2191]

Bro TP's and CP3's stats are so close that you cant discount rings tbh. I mean where would you base it?

[ambchang]

Can be an argument imho. I mean before, when Kobe>Duncan was blatant here because of 5>4, you really couldn't take it seriously as both have won the ship and proved their HOF status but when it comes in choosing between Parker and Paul, I mean the other guy hasn't even gone past the 2nd round yet.

What does that have to do with individual brilliance?

Jordan didn't get past the second round until late in his career when he had better teammates.

Winning, especially in the playoffs, is a team accomplishment. There are no ifs and buts about it.

[weebo]

I'd much rather have a guy who can quarterback a team into championship contention year after year than have a guy who can put up stats that don't go anywhere...and I bet 100% of GM's/HC's feel the same way.

[ambchang]

Well when two players are so close statistically rings have to become a factor, as I said before, what separates KG from Duncan?

What are you talking about? Duncan has better per game stats In Both regular season and playoffs. More points, rebounds, blocks, better shooting from the field. Kg is better in assists steal and ft%. And Duncan played less minutes

Duncan also had much better advanced stats than kg in both regular season and playoffs. Ws/48, ws, dws, drtg and ortg.

It really isn't that close.

The reverse is true for Parker and cp3. Cp3 has better ppg, apg, spg and ft%. Parker is better in fg% in less minutes. Advanced stats wise Parker just got destroyed. Cp3 is 64% better in the regular season in ws/48 and 112% better in the playoffs. He has more ws in the regular season than Parker despite playing significantly less games. His drtg is comparable to Parker but his ortg blows Parker's out of the water.

The stats for those two are it even remotely close to close. There's m ore of a chasm between them and between Duncan and kg.

[ambchang]

I'd much rather have a guy who can quarterback a team into championship contention year after year than have a guy who can put up stats that don't go anywhere...and I bet 100% of GM's/HC's feel the same way.

So the spurs are in contention because of Parker's quarterbacking? I swear Duncan, ginobili, Bowen, Leonard and pop, along with all the contributors on the spurs had something to do with it.

I mean, I'm sure if you replace Parker with an in prime john Stockton , the spurs wouldn't have won any championships past 99. If you replace him with an in prime Isaiah Thomas, the spurs can only win two. If you replace Parker with Chris Paul, the spurs wouldn't even get out of the second round because we all know David west is as good as Duncan, and Byron Scott is as good a coach as pop.

[Malik Hairston]

So the spurs are in contention because of Parker's quarterbacking? I swear Duncan, ginobili, Bowen, Leonard and pop, along with all the contributors on the spurs had something to do with it.

I mean, I'm sure if you replace Parker with an in prime john Stockton , the spurs wouldn't have won any championships past 99. If you replace him with an in prime Isaiah Thomas, the spurs can only win two. If you replace Parker with Chris Paul, the spurs wouldn't even get out of the second round because we all know David west is as good as Duncan, and Byron Scott is as good a coach as pop.

It's also puzzling because Parker was very mediocre in 2003, 2005 and 2014, tbh:lol..

[ambchang]

To make it perfectly clear, I'm not a Parker hater. I think he's a very good point guard that the spurs were lucky to have. There really weren't that many pg the spurs can replace him with and have the same type of success.

That said, what is going on in this thread is pure insanity.

Hey, Parker is statistically close to Isiah Thomas wrt ppg but has more rings! Parker > thomas. We will just ignore the stats that said Thomas >>>>>> Parker.

[Clipper Nation]

I'd much rather have a guy who can quarterback a team into championship contention year after year than have a guy who can put up stats that don't go anywhere...and I bet 100% of GM's/HC's feel the same way.
Not to defend Choke Paul's embarrassing playoff record and career loserdom, but Enrique has never quarterbacked shit, he has always been a role player on the Spurs' title teams that had to be bailed out by his backups.... in fact, the years when Enrique really was quarterbacking ended the same as Choke Paul's whole career - in first/second round exits....

[DMC]

Here we go once again with the "Cuatro Anillos, Puta!" line of thinking...
So is Robert Horry>Tim Duncan?
After all 7>5...
Statistics can back up a lot of claims that aren't necessarily true.

[Bill_Brasky]

:lol arguing over who is the better point guard. You might as well be arguing over who can tie their shoes faster, PGs dont win championships. Is Spurfan really forgetting that Tony was absent in our biggest win of the postseason?

[apalisoc_9]

Parker hero balled in 2013..Part of the reason why the spurs lost.

Not blaming everything on him obviously, but game 6 was one of the worst hero ball performance i've seen.

[Obstructed_View]

He's a faggot. And did his team win?
Yep. The Warriors won 50 games for the first time in 20 years. Best +/- in the league. His on/off is twice as high as Durant's or Lebron's.

Wait, he's a faggot, and you still don't like him?

[Cry Havoc]

Parker is my favorite player. I pattern my poor man's game after him. :lol Situationally I could an argument in the past being made for him over Paul. If he goes back to 2013 form, again, I could see it. He has taken over playoff series before on his own.

But Paul is so damn consistently dominant. It's not his fault that the best player he's ever ran the floor with is Dickensian street urchin's version of Tim Fucking Duncan. Duncan has a legitimate claim to be a top 5 player in history. Paul's best teammate might have an outside shot at a top 25 player of all-time, but it's pretty long odds right now unless Blake continues to catapult his game forward. That's not a knock on Parker, that's a realization that he's been extremely fortunate to play his entire career with one of the best guys ever to lace them up. Parker has had to lead his team... at times. Paul has never been able to stop leading his team from Day 1, because he's been the man 100% of the time. That's a lot of burden to shoulder. But holy shit, prime Paul with prime Duncan would have been something marvelous to see. The other 3 Spurs on the court could have taken a smoke break on offense for how efficiently destructive they would have been together.


Oh okay, Duncan knew how to win. Thank you.

This is so absurdly simplistic. Especially considering KG HAS a ring, and took a hapless Minnesota team to the playoffs year after year. How have they been doing since? Thought so. I hate KG but the dude is one of the best PFs in league history.

That said, there IS a major difference between Duncan and KG, and it has nothing to do with "knowing how to win". Duncan is one of the best weak-side help defenders in the entire history of the league. There's a reason healthy Tim Duncan-led teams are always near the top of the charts in defensive prowess. KG has always been an elite on-ball defender, but he's not nearly the interior presence on defense that Tim is. Duncan in his prime even guarded prime Shaq quite well, which is a noteworthy accomplishment.

On offense, Duncan was a wrecking ball. What he did to the Thunder and Ibaka in Game 6 of OT was merely a flash of what he used to do every damn game. As good as KG was on offense, he was never a guy that forced an entire defense to be aware of him at every second. Statistics should really do more to show forced doubles, because for many years Duncan was up there with any other player in the league, including Shaq. His ability to get easy buckets at a high rate was something that dismantled defensive schemes.

In case you weren't around for that Rob, check this out:

-g4qR7JTSnk

1:41 is the epitome of what Tim Duncan has meant to the Spurs over his career. Just unparalleled ability to shut things down.

Both elite players, both unquestionable winners that in their prime make any franchise around an echelon better. The same is true for Parker/Paul. Paul just does it every damn game at a high level. If HE had a subpar series, the Clippers would get swept in the first round, every time. Parker had an uneven playoffs, and we won the title.

[debo]

:lmaoYou mean the guy who can't get past the 2nd round? That guy is a winner? By your logic Kevin Garnett was a better player than Duncan the last 14 years. Don't let your Manu dicksucking get it the way of recognizing Parker as one of the best in the game.

Not defending Chris Paul or anything, but they did play us in the WCF in 2012 I believe (3rd round)

[gnsf0946]

Not defending Chris Paul or anything, but they did play us in the WCF in 2012 I believe (3rd round)

that was WCSF, we got backdoor swept in WCF by Thunder

[debo]

that was WCSF, we got backdoor swept in WCF by Thunder

That's right, my bad. I guess that loss really fucked up my memory haha

[RD2191]

You say potato I say tomato. Parker>Curry/CP3 who have a combined 0 WCF appearances. And as I said before, in no way is CP3 a significantly better player than Parker stat wise. The numbers are very very close. Despite Parker playing 4 less minutes per game career wise. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Oh and 4 rings. :wakeup

[TDMVPDPOY]

comparing a coatrider to a franchise player?

[Cry Havoc]

You say potato I say tomato. Parker>Curry/CP3 who have a combined 0 WCF appearances. And as I said before, in no way is CP3 a significantly better player than Parker stat wise. The numbers are very very close. Despite Parker playing 4 less minutes per game career wise. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Oh and 4 rings. :wakeup

I guess that means Matt Bonner is a better player than Tracy McGrady. And if you're saying that Paul wouldn't have made the WCF or the Finals with Duncan, that's a pretty serious knock on Duncan's abilities.

[RD2191]

Havoc great analysis though I appreciate the work behind it. I just will never be convinced that CP3 is a better player than Tony Parker.

[Red Hawk #21]

Pure bullshit being spewed in this thread, like I said before some of you are mixing Hennessy with Crack.

[Cry Havoc]

Pure bullshit being spewed in this thread, like I said before some of you are mixing Hennessy with Crack.

That's what happens when newer fans' (or Laker fans) team wins the title. They have the best 5 players in the game on their team in their eyes. Parker > Paul, Green > Harden, Leonard > LeBron, that sorta thing.

[ambchang]

You say potato I say tomato. Parker>Curry/CP3 who have a combined 0 WCF appearances. And as I said before, in no way is CP3 a significantly better player than Parker stat wise. The numbers are very very close. Despite Parker playing 4 less minutes per game career wise. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Oh and 4 rings. :wakeup

I've shown you the stats, cp3 is significantly better. The difference is even more so when looking at advanced stats.

You can stick to the story, but it just isn't true.

[RD2191]

I've shown you the stats, cp3 is significantly better. The difference is even more so when looking at advanced stats.

You can stick to the story, but it just isn't true.
No he isn't. Not at all. 4 rings and a Finals MVP, could be 5 and possibly a 2nd MVP if not for 6. If you want to take a guy who can't get past the 2nd round over TP9 then I don't know what to tell you. Hope you never get a job working for the Spurs though.

[ambchang]

No he isn't. Not at all. 4 rings and a Finals MVP, could be 5 and possibly a 2nd MVP if not for 6. If you want to take a guy who can't get past the 2nd round over TP9 then I don't know what to tell you. Hope you never get a job working for the Spurs though.

4 rings are team accomplishments. The finals MVP was nice but we all know it was because of the cavs defensive schemes and personnel.

Which stats were close other than scoring and blocks? CP3 is better in almost every other stat. I am just having trouble seeing it, even with you head in the sand stance.

And no, I'll never work for the spurs, and I doubt either would you. But if you do, I'm sure you will be the worlds greatest janitor or parking attendant because the spurs have riiiiiings.

Now excuse me, I have to call RC Buford to let him know that Bruce Bowen is a better small forward than Rick Barry, Tracy mcgrady and Vince carter because of rings.

[RD2191]

4 rings are team accomplishments. The finals MVP was nice but we all know it was because of the cavs defensive schemes and personnel.

Which stats were close other than scoring and blocks? CP3 is better in almost every other stat. I am just having trouble seeing it, even with you head in the sand stance.

And no, I'll never work for the spurs, and I doubt either would you. But if you do, I'm sure you will be the worlds greatest janitor or parking attendant because the spurs have riiiiiings.

Now excuse me, I have to call RC Buford to let him know that Bruce Bowen is a better small forward than Rick Barry, Tracy mcgrady and Vince carter because of rings.
Are their stats similar?

[RD2191]

CP3 averages more assist, sure, But as I said, Parker plays less minutes. Deep playoff runs and titles require rest. And by your logic you are saying that Duncan and KG are = players.

[RD2191]

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/p/tony_parker_vs_chris_paul.htm

[RD2191]

"significantly":lol

[RD2191]

Best Playoff


Points Per Game (http://www.landofbasketball.com/all_time_leaders/points_per_game_single_playoffs.htm)

Tony Parker
28.6

(2009)
http://www.landofbasketball.com/images/pixel_green.gif




Chris Paul
24.1

(2008)

[ambchang]

Are their stats similar?


CP3 averages more assist, sure, But as I said, Parker plays less minutes. Deep playoff runs and titles require rest. And by your logic you are saying that Duncan and KG are = players.

Apply same logic to Bowen vs any of those players. Bowen would average more of everything if he played more minutes per game, but less games with first round exits.

[RD2191]

Apply same logic to Bowen vs any of those players. Bowen would average more of everything if he played more minutes per game, but less games with first round exits.
Never saw Bowen play until very late in his career, wasn't he offensively challenged?

[ambchang]

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/p/tony_parker_vs_chris_paul.htm


"significantly":lol

Where do you go to school? Just off the head calculations. 4.4 is 45% greater than 3
9.9 is about 65% greater than 6, and 2.4 is about 165% greater than 0.9. Which of these are not significant?




Best Playoff


Points Per Game (http://www.landofbasketball.com/all_time_leaders/points_per_game_single_playoffs.htm)

Tony Parker
28.6

(2009)
http://www.landofbasketball.com/images/pixel_green.gif




Chris Paul
24.1

(2008)




Why are you looking at one single stat of each respective players best series? Bowen out scored Kobe in a game in the playoffs, he must be a better scorer, scratch that, better player than Kobe.

Really not sure why you are pulling up stats that actually help my case. Chris Paul is better than Parker in ever stat other than scorer. And significantly at that. Which one would you disagree with?

[RD2191]

You're also comparing a 20ppg career scorer to a 6ppg career scorer. :lolCome on son.

[ambchang]

In other news, Parker is better than Isiah Thomas. They have similar scoring numbers and have more rings. We can ignore all the other stats, but pay real close to who had better scoring in their best playoff series, because that is the key to determine the best player in the world.

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/p/tony_parker_vs_isiah_thomas.htm

[RD2191]

You're also comparing a 20ppg career scorer to a 6ppg career scorer. :lolCome on son.
:wakeup

[RD2191]

Hey, did anyone ever find a picture of CP3 in his WCF gear?

[ambchang]

This just in: jerry west, not Jordan, not magic, not bird, not Kareem not anybody else, is the best player in the history of the league, because, get this, he had the highest scoring average in a playoff series in nba history.

I always knew the logo was great, but I never knew he was this great. I wouldn't have known without the phenomenal inside of robdiaz2191.

[ambchang]

:wakeup

But he averaged less minutes and had to go through all those grueling deep playoff runs.

Your logic, not mine.

[RD2191]

Parker owns CP3 and is a better player, no way around that. Rings become a factor when both players are damn near = stat wise.

[ambchang]

Never saw Bowen play until very late in his career, wasn't he offensively challenged?

So how many of those Parker championship games did you saw?

[ambchang]

Parker owns CP3 and is a better player, no way around that. Rings become a factor when both players are damn near = stat wise.

Except they are not.

And don't swear, you are still going through puberty.

[ambchang]

Hey, did anyone ever find a picture of CP3 in his WCF gear?

I found tmac in his finals gear though, in 2013 as a spur. That tmac was so much better than the Orlando tmac who put up 32 ppg because he went past the first round.

True talk.

[RD2191]

I found tmac in his finals gear though, in 2013 as a spur. That tmac was so much better than the Orlando tmac who put up 32 ppg because he went past the first round.

True talk.
:lolCompletely different.

[RD2191]

So according to you a player who averages around 2 more ppg than another player is a significantly better player?

[RD2191]

12 ppg

10ppg

One player has 4 titles and a finals MVP the other has never made it past the 2nd round.

Hmmm, I wonder who I'm taking.

[ambchang]

:lolCompletely different.

How so? Same player one with a deep playoff run, the other without.

[ambchang]

So according to you a player who averages around 2 more ppg than another player is a significantly better player?

Which part of "other than scoring" do you not understand? Are you aware that there are many more stats than scoring?

[RD2191]

Which part of "other than scoring" do you not understand? Are you aware that there are many more stats than scoring?
Of course, he averages more assists and a better defender(very overrated). But his choke gene cancels that out.

[spurraider21]

I just will never be convinced that
Is this your life motto? :lol

[RD2191]

What will be CP3s excuse when he loses in the 2nd round this upcoming season?

[RD2191]

Is this your life motto? :lol
you and your logic and sound reasoning can shove it

[RD2191]

I will never post again if CP3 can make the WCF this upcoming season.

[RD2191]

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers

"no help" poor CP3

[RD2191]

Fucking Allen Iverson led his team to the Finals and got 1 win against the Lakers in their prime. 2nd highest scorer on his team was Aaron McKie averaging a whopping 14.6 ppg. CP3 is one of the most overrated players in the NBA period.

[DAF86]

Bro TP's and CP3's stats are so close that you cant discount rings tbh. I mean where would you base it?

They really aren't, tbh. Paul has some of the greatest individual seasons by a PG in the history of the game.

[RD2191]

They really aren't, tbh. Paul has some of the greatest individual seasons by a PG in the history of the game.
Yeah, that ended in the 2nd round.

[DAF86]

Best Playoff


Points Per Game (http://www.landofbasketball.com/all_time_leaders/points_per_game_single_playoffs.htm)

Tony Parker
28.6

(2009)
http://www.landofbasketball.com/images/pixel_green.gif




Chris Paul
24.1

(2008)




So all this time you were knocking CP3 for not getting out of the 2nd round and the stat you choose to post to prove TP > CP3 is the ppg Tony scored when he didn't get out of the first round? Brilliant, tbh. I guess that year Tony forgot how to win :lol

[DAF86]

Never saw Bowen play until very late in his career, wasn't he offensively challenged?

Now I get it, you are very young. You'll get it with time.

[ambchang]

Of course, he averages more assists and a better defender(very overrated). But his choke gene cancels that out.
Moving the goal post now. No stats, so go with "choke genes"

Speaking of which, Parker's playoff runs are pure legendary. Clutches player in nba history. Duncan and ginobili wouldn't have won squat with clutchVP Parker.

[ambchang]

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/lac/los-angeles-clippers

"no help" poor CP3

Wow! Griffin is better than Duncan. He scored more points!

[ambchang]

Fucking Allen Iverson led his team to the Finals and got 1 win against the Lakers in their prime. 2nd highest scorer on his team was Aaron McKie averaging a whopping 14.6 ppg. CP3 is one of the most overrated players in the NBA period.

What do you know about Allen iverson? You haven't even seen him in his prime when he was the most feared scorer in the league.

Oh, and he led the league in scoring, so he's better than Parker.

[ambchang]

So all this time you were knocking CP3 for not getting out of the 2nd round and the stat you choose to post to prove TP > CP3 is the ppg Tony scored when he didn't get out of the first round? Brilliant, tbh. I guess that year Tony forgot how to win :lol

You don't get it. Parker remembers to win 4 times. He forgets other times but since he remembered more than CP3, he's better.

[Tuddy]

Can't finish at the rim or play d

[apalisoc_9]

Wow why did this turn into a CP3 vs TP9 thread?

Cp3 is one of the best PG ever...Tp9 is one of the most accomplished Pg ever..

It's pretty easy to see that cp3 is a more complete player and has a ton more responsibility than tp9

[RD2191]

I will never post again if CP3 can make the WCF this upcoming season.
:wakeup"Greatest ever"

[RD2191]

CP3 averages one more made basket per game than TP9. "Significantly better":lol

[RD2191]

Oh, and can anyone answer why one of the greatest ever can't make it past the 2nd round? :wakeup

[RD2191]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfcyp6xLIMY

[RD2191]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeHA7lypufM

[RD2191]

:crybut stats

[RD2191]

Parker leading his team to the Finals in 2013. CP3 leading his team to a 2nd round exit in multiple season. Don't worry though fellas, he put up great stats in all elimination games.

[RD2191]

Not to mention Parker plays for the number 1 assist team in the NBA, meaning his numbers could easily = CP3s if he played for any other team.

[Galileo]

1-Lebron
2-Durant
3-Davis
4-Paul
5-Howard
6-George
7-Westbrook
8-Love
9-Curry
10-Griffin

Lebron is no longer the best player. He was outplayed in the NBA Finals by Kawhi Leonard. He was outplayed in the regular season by Durantula. Lebron is getting older, the others are younger.

[Cry Havoc]

Parker leading his team to the Finals in 2013. CP3 leading his team to a 2nd round exit in multiple season. Don't worry though fellas, he put up great stats in all elimination games.

What part of "Chris Paul has never played with Tim Duncan" is hard for you to understand?

[Cry Havoc]

Lebron is no longer the best player. He was outplayed in the NBA Finals by Kawhi Leonard. He was outplayed in the regular season by Durantula. Lebron is getting older, the others are younger.

LeBron is on another echelon from the rest of the league. The gap between him and Durant is wider than the gap between Durant and the #5 player. This playoffs showcased that, when Durant got shut down by 2 guards.

[Venti Quattro]

:lol rest of the world

[ambchang]

CP3 averages one more made basket per game than TP9. "Significantly better":lol

Still doesn't understand the "other than scoring" phrase means stats that does not include scorin, eh?

I can say this though, your comprehension skills are not significantly better than a chimp.

[ambchang]

Parker leading his team to the Finals in 2013. CP3 leading his team to a 2nd round exit in multiple season. Don't worry though fellas, he put up great stats in all elimination games.

Explain to me how Parker led his team to the finals again? What exactly did he do?

[ambchang]

Not to mention Parker plays for the number 1 assist team in the NBA, meaning his numbers could easily = CP3s if he played for any other team.

Explain that logic. How would playing for the best assist team make his stats worse?

[RD2191]

Explain that logic. How would playing for the best assist team make his stats worse?
Meaning CP3 has no Manu coming off the bench. You're telling me Parkers assist wouldn't go up if he didn't have so many good passers on his team? More assist to go around.

[RD2191]

Explain to me how Parker led his team to the finals again? What exactly did he do?
He led his team in scoring and took over when they needed him most. Something CP3 has failed to do. Watch the highlights of TPs 2013 run. Damn shame 6 had to happen.

[RD2191]

What part of "Chris Paul has never played with Tim Duncan" is hard for you to understand?
Why does that matter? Especially this season when CP3 had more than enough help around him. Still manages to choke when it matters the most.

[RD2191]

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/08/22/san-antonio-spurs-tony-parker-remains-ridiculously-underrated/

[ambchang]

Meaning CP3 has no Manu coming off the bench. You're telling me Parkers assist wouldn't go up if he didn't have so many good passers on his team? More assist to go around.

You mean he had a Hofer come off the bench for him? Oh my lord! I'm sure that has nothing to do with the 4 rings.

[ambchang]

He led his team in scoring and took over when they needed him most. Something CP3 has failed to do. Watch the highlights of TPs 2013 run. Damn shame 6 had to happen.

And they lost. What's your point? Parker leading the team in a losing series > Chris Paul leading th team in a losing series when rings are all that matters?

Really, have you ever try to string your two thoughts together? Try it. If it's too much information for your brain to process, write it down on paper or type it out to see if there are contradictions.

[RD2191]

And they lost. What's your point? Parker leading the team in a losing series > Chris Paul leading th team in a losing series when rings are all that matters?

Really, have you ever try to string your two thoughts together? Try it. If it's too much information for your brain to process, write it down on paper or type it out to see if there are contradictions.
They lost on a miraculous play by Ray Allen. The fuck outta here with comparing that to Choke Paul never getting past the 2nd round.

[RD2191]

How much more help does CP3 need, has an all star big man playing next to him, a very good shot blocker in Jordan, and the 6th man of the year coming off the bench. Just about as much help as Parker had in 13. What is CP3s excuse for not making at least the WCF?

[FkLA]

How much more help does CP3 need, has an all star big man playing next to him, a very good shot blocker in Jordan, and the 6th man of the year coming off the bench. Just about as much help as Parker had in 13. What is CP3s excuse for not making at least the WCF?

Pop's system and the Spurs culture. CP3 plays for 'Lob City' and is their system.

[Galileo]

LeBron is on another echelon from the rest of the league. The gap between him and Durant is wider than the gap between Durant and the #5 player. This playoffs showcased that, when Durant got shut down by 2 guards.

Ha, ha, good one, Lebron was outplayed in the 2007, 2011, and 2014 Finals. He's overrated. If he weren't in the East, he be a one and done first round playoff loser most seasons.

[Clipper Nation]

Pop's system and the Spurs culture. CP3 plays for 'Lob City' and is their system.

He is the system only because he's a selfish, overdribbling heroballer who's unwilling to give up control to anyone else (despite multiple coaches trying to get him to do it).... too many times I've seen Blake have a really good first half and barely even touch the ball in the second half because Choke is heroballing out of jealousy....

Bottom line, Choke Paul won't even have a prayer of ringing until he finally agrees to be the role player he actually is.... his ballhogging, heroballing and overdribbling is simply too easy for playoff defenses to shut down, yet people still feign surprise when he chokes every season doing his same old tired act....

[RD2191]

He is the system only because he's a selfish, overdribbling heroballer who's unwilling to give up control to anyone else (despite multiple coaches trying to get him to do it).... too many times I've seen Blake have a really good first half and barely even touch the ball in the second half because Choke is heroballing out of jealousy....

Bottom line, Choke Paul won't even have a prayer of ringing until he finally agrees to be the role player he actually is.... his ballhogging, heroballing and overdribbling is simply too easy for playoff defenses to shut down, yet people still feign surprise when he chokes every season doing his same old tired act....
Well there you have it folks. CN dropping some knowledge.

[FkLA]

He is the system only because he's a selfish, overdribbling heroballer who's unwilling to give up control to anyone else (despite multiple coaches trying to get him to do it).... too many times I've seen Blake have a really good first half and barely even touch the ball in the second half because Choke is heroballing out of jealousy....

Bottom line, Choke Paul won't even have a prayer of ringing until he finally agrees to be the role player he actually is.... his ballhogging, heroballing and overdribbling is simply too easy for playoff defenses to shut down, yet people still feign surprise when he chokes every season doing his same old tired act....

Off the top of my head; Monty Williams, Byron Scott, Vinnie Del Negro and Doc Rivers.

I may be missing one or maybe added one but the point remains.

[Cry Havoc]

Why does that matter? Especially this season when CP3 had more than enough help around him. Still manages to choke when it matters the most.

Did you just compare Blake Griffin to Tim FUCKING Duncan?

And then you ask why it matters?

[TDMVPDPOY]

has the coatrider led the team to anything without duncan, ginoboli or kawhi individually?

[Chinook]

He is the system only because he's a selfish, overdribbling heroballer who's unwilling to give up control to anyone else (despite multiple coaches trying to get him to do it).... too many times I've seen Blake have a really good first half and barely even touch the ball in the second half because Choke is heroballing out of jealousy....

Bottom line, Choke Paul won't even have a prayer of ringing until he finally agrees to be the role player he actually is.... his ballhogging, heroballing and overdribbling is simply too easy for playoff defenses to shut down, yet people still feign surprise when he chokes every season doing his same old tired act....

Seriously. Paul hasn't made it passed the second round because he's too easy to shut down and dominates the ball so much that shutting him down is shutting his whole team down. I don't get why that's so hard for people to understand. It's not an accident or coincidence. The same thing would happen to the Spurs if Parker is their best player. You just can't win depending on your point-guard to dominate a game night in and night out.


Did you just compare Blake Griffin to Tim FUCKING Duncan?

And then you ask why it matters?

I don't think it really does matter. Tim is the GOAT PF, but Griffin is a future HoFer in his own right, as it Paul. Many teams have made the conference finals over the last decade, and they didn't all have two HoFers in their relative primes like the Clippers do now. Bottom line is that Paul now has the talent around him to make it farther than he has. Could it be better? Yes. But you can say that about every team, including the Spurs.

[Cry Havoc]

Seriously. Paul hasn't made it passed the second round because he's too easy to shut down and dominates the ball so much that shutting him down is shutting his whole team down. I don't get why that's so hard for people to understand. It's not an accident or coincidence. The same thing would happen to the Spurs if Parker is their best player. You just can't win depending on your point-guard to dominate a game night in and night out.



I don't think it really does matter. Tim is the GOAT PF, but Griffin is a future HoFer in his own right, as it Paul. Many teams have made the conference finals over the last decade, and they didn't all have two HoFers in their relative primes like the Clippers do now. Bottom line is that Paul now has the talent around him to make it farther than he has. Could it be better? Yes. But you can say that about every team, including the Spurs.

Prior to the 2013-2014 season, Griffin was TERRIBLE on defense and not even that fantastic on offense. He was a solid PF and nothing more. Hardly worthy of world-level talent. Last year was the first year Griffin made the leap to seriously being an all-star caliber player. Not to mention that outside of Blake and Jordan, Paul has really no reliable players of any decent Caliber. After those three guys, every Spurs player is better down to the 8th or 9th guy.

So let's see, who's the other team that made the WCF? Oh yeah, the one with two consensus top 10 players in the league on their team. You guys act like losing to Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka suddenly means that Paul is a choke artist. That is frankly ridiculous. The team they lost to in 2013 is the one that beat the shit out of us the year before. I guess that makes the Spurs choke artists as well. :rolleyes

You guys are seriously comparing one year of Blake Griffin playing at a high level to Tim Duncan's entire career. I'm speechless. What the fuck.

[Chinook]

Prior to the 2013-2014 season, Griffin was TERRIBLE on defense and not even that fantastic on offense. He was a solid PF and nothing more. Hardly worthy of world-level talent. Last year was the first year Griffin made the leap to seriously being an all-star caliber player. Not to mention that outside of Blake and Jordan, Paul has really no reliable players of any decent Caliber. After those three guys, every Spurs player is better down to the 8th or 9th guy.

So let's see, who's the other team that made the WCF? Oh yeah, the one with two consensus top 10 players in the league on their team. You guys act like losing to Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka suddenly means that Paul is a choke artist. That is frankly ridiculous. The team they lost to in 2013 is the one that beat the shit out of us the year before. I guess that makes the Spurs choke artists as well. :rolleyes

You guys are seriously comparing one year of Blake Griffin playing at a high level to Tim Duncan's entire career. I'm speechless. What the fuck.

No one's comparing Griffin to Duncan. That's a horrible straw man on your part. We are saying Griffin (and the rest of the Clippers) should be good enough for Paul to get past the second round. You don't need to be perfect to make the conference finals. Too many flawed teams have made it recently for anyone to really think that.

Anyway, in 2013, LAC lost to Memphis, who didn't even play the Spurs the year before. I assume you meant OKC, but they beat the Rockets before losing to the Grizzlies as well in 2013. Then, Memphis got swept that same year by the Spurs in the WCF, so it's not like it mattered what happened before that anyway.

And stop playing dumb. You can say what you want about Paul's career in general, but if you seriously think Paul DIDN'T choke in Game 5 against OKC, I don't know what to tell you. That was some of the worst down-the-stretch play I've ever seen.

[Cry Havoc]

No one's comparing Griffin to Duncan. That's a horrible straw man on your part. We are saying Griffin (and the rest of the Clippers) should be good enough for Paul to get past the second round. You don't need to be perfect to make the conference finals. Too many flawed teams have made it recently for anyone to really think that.

Anyway, in 2013, LAC lost to Memphis, who didn't even play the Spurs the year before. I assume you meant OKC, but they beat the Rockets before losing to the Grizzlies as well in 2013. Then, Memphis got swept that same year by the Spurs in the WCF, so it's not like it mattered what happened before that anyway.

And stop playing dumb. You can say what you want about Paul's career in general, but if you seriously think Paul DIDN'T choke in Game 5 against OKC, I don't know what to tell you. That was some of the worst down-the-stretch play I've ever seen.

And I have been as critical of the Clippers as anyone on here. But they don't have a very well rounded team and they don't have any depth on either side of the ball. Again, not Chris Paul's fault. Acting like he has a dominant roster when he's only had one other player on his team that's actually a gamer and only for one season is ridiculous.

[Chinook]

And I have been as critical of the Clippers as anyone on here. But they don't have a very well rounded team and they don't have any depth on either side of the ball. Again, not Chris Paul's fault. Acting like he has a dominant roster when he's only had one other player on his team that's actually a gamer and only for one season is ridiculous.

Conveniently ignoring that Paul did singlehandedly lose Game Five in the WCSF last year...

How many star players have a decade under their belts and haven't made the conference finals? You'll be surprised at how few are actually in that category. Most of them did not have dominant supporting casts, either. It doesn't take that to make the third round. Memphis and Indiana couldn't score. OKC was young in 2011 and had no bench last year. The Suns were the Suns in 2010. Denver was Denver in 2009.

[100%duncan]

They really aren't, tbh. Paul has some of the greatest individual seasons by a PG in the history of the game.

Yes they are imho. If you want to name a pg who hasnt gone past the 2nd round against a 4 time nba champ, european champ in his teens then the "better" guard should dominate the statistics by a landslide to even have a case.

[ambchang]

They lost on a miraculous play by Ray Allen. The fuck outta here with comparing that to Choke Paul never getting past the 2nd round.

The play where Parker didn't close out on time?

Come to think of it, which 2nd round series did Parker carry the spurs through? He played horribly in 2002 once Phil Jackson closed the lane resulting in a reverse sweep, Duncan carried the spurs past the lakers in 2003, the lakers closed the lane again in 2004, Duncan and ginobili carried the spurs thru in 2005, lost in. 2006, Duncan again in 2007 and 2008, lost in first round in 2009, 2011, second round in 2010, Duncan again in 2012. 2013 is the inept series where he led the team in scorin in the second round and only tying curry in ppg for the series.

[ambchang]

How much more help does CP3 need, has an all star big man playing next to him, a very good shot blocker in Jordan, and the 6th man of the year coming off the bench. Just about as much help as Parker had in 13. What is CP3s excuse for not making at least the WCF?

:rofl. You serious. The clippers minus Paul had the same talent of the spurs minus Parker? I mean, Parker had a fantastic year in his career, MVP candidate good, but the spurs were widely known as the deepest team in the league. And vinny del negro vs pop would be quite a comparison.

[RD2191]

:rofl. You serious. The clippers minus Paul had the same talent of the spurs minus Parker? I mean, Parker had a fantastic year in his career, MVP candidate good, but the spurs were widely known as the deepest team in the league. And vinny del negro vs pop would be quite a comparison.
Yes I'm serious. And you laughing won't make it not true. Paul had an all star big man, 6th man of the year coming off the bench, and a good shot blocker in Jordan. So again, what is his excuse for not making it past the 2nd round?

[RD2191]

The play where Parker didn't close out on time?

Come to think of it, which 2nd round series did Parker carry the spurs through? He played horribly in 2002 once Phil Jackson closed the lane resulting in a reverse sweep, Duncan carried the spurs past the lakers in 2003, the lakers closed the lane again in 2004, Duncan and ginobili carried the spurs thru in 2005, lost in. 2006, Duncan again in 2007 and 2008, lost in first round in 2009, 2011, second round in 2010, Duncan again in 2012. 2013 is the inept series where he led the team in scorin in the second round and only tying curry in ppg for the series.
And what has CP3 done that makes him better? Oh he averages 2 more ppg. Wow. Beast.

[Cry Havoc]

And what has CP3 done that makes him better? Oh he averages 2 more ppg. Wow. Beast.

Paul averages more than Parker despite the fact that Parker is a score-first PG while Paul is a distributing point guard. You aren't helping your case.

[ambchang]

Yes I'm serious. And you laughing won't make it not true. Paul had an all star big man, 6th man of the year coming off the bench, and a good shot blocker in Jordan. So again, what is his excuse for not making it past the 2nd round?

You didn't read? Pop has how many coach of the years? Vinny del negro doesn't even have a job.

[ambchang]

has the coatrider led the team to anything without duncan, ginoboli or kawhi individually?

Good gravy man. Tony Parker won all 4 championships on his own. Duncan, ginobili, Bowen, and Kawhi, not to mention pop, was just lucky they can bask in the dominance of mvparker.

2nd Greatest PG of all time, behind magic because of ring count. Higher scoring average than Stockton, similar to isiah and more rings than both combined.

[DAF86]

The funny thing is that out of the 4 postseason runs that ended in a ring for Tony, he played subpar (by his standars) in 3 of them. While in others where he beasted the team fell short, b..but winning championships is an individual accomplishment :cry

[Cry Havoc]

The funny thing is that out of the 4 postseason runs that ended in a ring for Tony, he played subpar (by his standars) in 3 of them. While in others where he beasted the team fell short, b..but winning championships is an individual accomplishment :cry

Which is another example of how the modern NBA defense has evolved to contain point guards who have to do everything for their team.

[DAF86]

:lol Such a retarded list, starting with Davis already being ranked third without having done much yet, followed by Choke Paul and George being overrated, and Westbrook, Love, and Curry being ranked over Blake....

Should have ranked him 1st, tbh.

[DAF86]

BTW, regarding the OP.

27.7 ppg, 7.2 apg, 6.3 rpg (:wow), 3.5 spg, 50 FG%, 40 3PT% :lol

[apalisoc_9]

BTW, regarding the OP.

27.7 ppg, 7.2 apg, 6.3 rpg (:wow), 3.5 spg, 50 FG%, 40 3PT% :lol

Curry is the third best PG in the west...

Russ
Paul
Stephen

[DAF86]

Curry is the third best PG in the west...

Russ
Paul
Stephen

Why you call him overrated then?

P/S: If he keeps this up he's easily number one, and I think he can: something along the lines of 24 ppg, 7 apg, 5 rpg, 2.5 stpg, 49 FG% and 40 3pt%.

[apalisoc_9]

Why you call him overrated then?

P/S: If he keeps this up he's easily number one, and I think he can: something along the lines of 24 ppg, 7 apg, 5 rpg, 2.5 stpg, 49 FG% and 40 3pt%.

I changed my mind.

no way he is better than a healthy russ though...

[RD2191]

Lol robdiaz owning scrubs per usual

[RD2191]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1052384_o.gif

[RD2191]

So what will be cp3s excuse this time? Tbh.

[DMC]

So what will be cp3s excuse this time? Tbh.

Shit, they were looking at game 7 up 10 tbh. You and I both saw that, fucking hot potato ball faggots.

[RD2191]

Shit, they were looking at game 7 up 10 tbh. You and I both saw that, fucking hot potato ball faggots.
:lolNo one wanted part of the ball.

[RD2191]

:wakeup

[apalisoc_9]

a rare bad take on my part,.

IMO, 12 year old is the 2nd best PG in the league right now...

[RsxPiimp]

Might go down as the greatest shooter in NBA history.

These threads doe. :lol
daaayyummn

[Jeff Van Gundy]

Op is so fuckin dumb with his shit takes

[DAF86]

Of course you are, because how anyone can claim Choke Paul is a better player than TP is beyond me.

Sup?

[DAF86]

Lol robdiaz owning scrubs per usual

Your Parker takes on this thread are very interesting, tbh. :lol

[spurraider21]

a rare bad take on my part,.

IMO, 12 year old is the 2nd best PG in the league right now...
:lmao the goods

[spurraider21]

Paul? As in Chris Paul? The dude who has never been past the 2nd round? That Paul? Oh and Parker is a better player than both Paul and Curry. Even better than Westbrook.
:lol

[spurraider21]

http://www.pba-online.net/uploads/photo/tony-parker-112411.jpg

What? Can't concentrate on your question with all this winning around me.
:lmao

[RD2191]

:lmao
Tf? Who hacked my account? Tbh.

[davi78239]

That mouth guard chewing shit though....not sure if I can endure it through mid June. Hope someone knocks these jokers out. Sorry Steve Kerr.

[Clipper Nation]

So what will be cp3s excuse this time? Tbh.
The same excuse as every year. :cry His teammates. :cry

Hopefully he buys into this excuse and demands a trade. He'll fail with any supporting cast in any franchise and we get his horrible contract off the books.

[Cry Havoc]

DggAXSv53Qc

[Silver&Black]

I will never post again if CP3 can make the WCF this upcoming season.

:wow

Say it ain't so mi negro....

[Infinite_limit]

I dunno, NBA is just a shadow of it's former self. It's like watching Russell Wilson tear up the NFL.

American sports have declined so much over the past 15-20 years

[Silver&Black]

^
Yet I still talk about American Sports every single day :rolleyes

[unforeseen]

:lol OP is a faggot. :lol

[DMC]

DggAXSv53Qc
lol

[Franklin]

The warriors are just too stacked on paper imho. Even their 7th or even 8th man would easily become a starter on any NBA team barring just a few.

[Mitch]

I dunno, NBA is just a shadow of it's former self. It's like watching Russell Wilson tear up the NFL.

American sports have declined so much over the past 15-20 years

Except boxing, raking in a 500m fight just recently :tu

[LkrFan]

DggAXSv53Qc

:rollin :lmao :rollin

[HemisfairArena]

And I said Mullins would be better than Splitter,,,,shit happens. Show me a guy who bats a 1000 when predicting things and I'll show you the end of times,,,,

[RD2191]

:lol:lol

[RD2191]

Lol robdiaz owning scrubs per usual


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1052384_o.gif

[RD2191]

So what will be cp3s excuse this time? Tbh.


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1052384_o.gif

[RD2191]

So what will be cp3s excuse this time? Tbh.


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1052384_o.gif

[RD2191]

anyone???????????????????????????????????????

[RD2191]

:wakeup

[RD2191]

:wakeup:wakeup

[spurraider21]

http://www.pba-online.net/uploads/photo/tony-parker-112411.jpg

What? Can't concentrate on your question with all this winning around me.

[RD2191]

:lolambchang
:lolcryhavoc
:loldaf86

[RD2191]

:wakeup

[spurraider21]

:wakeup

[Venti Quattro]

:wakeup

Draymond Green doesn't fit. http://streamable.com/vu9p

[Jodelo]

Too bad Green does not fit, imagine the Warriors if he did...

[spurraider21]

but but... Curry chews with mouth piece :cry

[unleashbaynes]

Draymond green = square peg
Warriors team = round hole

[spurraider21]

:lmao

[Venti Quattro]

:lmaoYou mean the guy who can't get past the 2nd round? That guy is a winner? By your logic Kevin Garnett was a better player than Duncan the last 14 years. Don't let your Manu dicksucking get it the way of recognizing Parker as one of the best in the game.

:lmao Dat heel turn :lol

[Silver&Black]

:lmao

[313]

:lmao Dat heel turn :lol:lmao