BAYNES KILLING THEM - SIGN HIM UP

[downunder]

Currently without Mills the Aussie Boomers are playing teams in Europe and played France the European Champions (with Diaw etc). Guess who won. The Aussies. Guess who has been the topscorer. Believe it or not - BAYNES.
Baynes had another standout game in the green and gold, posting a team-high 21 points on 7-of-11 shooting from the field to go with nine rebounds in the win.
This production has typified Baynes’ efforts in Nice, averaging more than 16 points and eight rebounds in the three-game stay on the French coast.

[spursparker9]

Got highlight of the video?

[debo]

Does anyone know if there is a legitimate threat of losing Baynes to a Euro team? From what I understand, he has to be offered something the spurs would consider overkill in order to leave to another NBA team.. The extra spot could be useful later on, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be disappointed if he couldn't reach his potential with the silver and black

[Uriel]

Awesome. :tu Hopefully he supplants Errors as the 5th big in next season's rotation.

[exstatic]

Rule #1 in Spurs winning management book: never bid against yourself.

[SupremeGuy]

Rule #1 in Spurs winning management book: never bid against yourself.I understand, but I hope this isn't making bad blood between the Spurs and Baynes. If a Euro team offers him more money, does Baynes have to let the Spurs match? Or could he already be upset that the Spurs didn't offer him more to begin with and just leave?

[exstatic]

I understand, but I hope this isn't making bad blood between the Spurs and Baynes. If a Euro team offers him more money, does Baynes have to let the Spurs match? Or could he already be upset that the Spurs didn't offer him more to begin with and just leave?

No. Matching only applies to NBA teams. Remember Josh Smith leaving the Hawks and going to Greece?

In the larger scheme of things, Baynes just isn't all that important. The Spurs manage their cap by NOT paying end of the bench guys more than end of the bench money. I'll leave you with this little gem from a Baynes article:

"There were 14 Spurs who appeared in at least 10 games and averaged 10 or more minutes per contest last season, and Baynes wasn’t one of them."

[EVAY]

Just shows what a period of time being in the Spurs system does for a guy who is willing (and able - as opposed to Ayers) to learn from the experience.

[exstatic]

Just shows what a period of time being in the Spurs system does for a guy who is willing (and able - as opposed to Ayers) to learn from the experience.

The cult of Baynes here makes me laugh, especially since most of you shit on Ayres, who is much closer to an average NBA player than Baynes.

Baynes FG% .436
Ayres FG% .580 (even with all of the dropped passes and missed dunks)

Baynes can't put the ball in the hole on offense, and is defensively challenged.

[EVAY]

The cult of Baynes here makes me laugh, especially since most of you shit on Ayres, who is much closer to an average NBA player than Baynes.

Baynes FG% .436
Ayres FG% .580 (even with all of the dropped passes and missed dunks)

Baynes can't put the ball in the hole on offense, and is defensively challenged.

The presenting OP had to do with how Baynes is doing this summer for his NT. Averaging 16 points and 8 assists is not doing badly, and does sort of belie the "can't put the ball in the hole on offense" theme. My observation really had to do with the extent to which the Spurs system helps players develop whatever talents they have. Do I believe that Baynes may have more upside than he showed before he came here? Yes. Do I think that Ayers has improved materially since he got here? Not so much

My comment regarding Ayres ( I don't shit on ANY player - if you don't believe me - check out my posts ) was for the purpose of distinguishing that Ayres is also willing to do whatever he is told to the extent that he can, imo...thus the distinction between willingness and ability.

Hasn't Ayers been in the Spurs system longer than Baynes? (I honestly don't remember exactly)...which, if so, reinforces my comment regarding the Spurs system helping players.

In other words, don't get your panties in a wad over MY comments. If you want to challenge someone about crapping on Ayers, pick someone who doesn't refer to him by his real name, as I always do.

[benefactor]

Baynes will take the QO tbh.

[FromWayDowntown]

Remember Josh Smith leaving the Hawks and going to Greece?

Josh Childress, who's decision has become something of a cautionary tale, since he's never really been able to get fully back into the NBA since his stint in Greece.

Last year, he was with the Pelicans briefly and scored as many NBA points as I did.

[SupremeGuy]

The cult of Baynes here makes me laugh, especially since most of you shit on Ayres, who is much closer to an average NBA player than Baynes.

Baynes FG% .436
Ayres FG% .580 (even with all of the dropped passes and missed dunks)

Baynes can't put the ball in the hole on offense, and is defensively challenged.Errors was given ample opportunity and even given solid minutes with starters and second string players early on which I think skews their stats when trying to compare... tbh.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

No. Matching only applies to NBA teams. Remember Josh Smith leaving the Hawks and going to Greece?

In the larger scheme of things, Baynes just isn't all that important. The Spurs manage their cap by NOT paying end of the bench guys more than end of the bench money. I'll leave you with this little gem from a Baynes article:

"There were 14 Spurs who appeared in at least 10 games and averaged 10 or more minutes per contest last season, and Baynes wasn’t one of them."

that's not a gem

[wildbill2u]

Spurs carried both Ayers and Baynes on the roster last year. I don't see why they couldn't do it again.

Pop is going to play whichever one plays the best so having a little competition on the bench should benefit both of them.

[Obstructed_View]

Unless Baynes gets ridiculous big-man money, which is possible, the Spurs will be happy to match it. I'd like to see Aron get more minutes.

[r0drig0lac]

baynes >> pekovic

[ceperez]

Currently without Mills the Aussie Boomers are playing teams in Europe and played France the European Champions (with Diaw etc). Guess who won. The Aussies. Guess who has been the topscorer. Believe it or not - BAYNES.
Baynes had another standout game in the green and gold, posting a team-high 21 points on 7-of-11 shooting from the field to go with nine rebounds in the win.
This production has typified Baynes’ efforts in Nice, averaging more than 16 points and eight rebounds in the three-game stay on the French coast.

These are just 'practice games', not really competitive. I'm sure nobody in the French team was willing to mix it up with Baynes.

[benstanfield]

Baynes is an older, less skilled Steven Adams. He's good for setting screens and bodying up the bigger C's in the league. That's pretty much it.

Luckily Baynes is our 14th man and we're arguing about signing him for loose change, not hyping him up to be the next franchise center like Adams :lol

[DrSteffo]

This is kind of stupid. Just bring him back please.

[SupremeGuy]

Unless Baynes gets ridiculous big-man money, which is possible, the Spurs will be happy to match it. I'd like to see Aron get more minutes.Thing is, the Spurs could be offending him by low balling him while paying Ayres more than double what they're offering him, so he doesn't have to let the Spurs match crap from a Euro team.

Fuck, I'll be pretty disappointed in the Spurs FO if they keep Ayres but let Baynes walk just cause they didn't want to swallow Ayres contract.

[xmas1997]

Baynes will take the QO tbh.

I'll be surprised if he doesn't.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Thing is, the Spurs could be offending him by low balling him while paying Ayres more than double what they're offering him, so he doesn't have to let the Spurs match crap from a Euro team.

Fuck, I'll be pretty disappointed in the Spurs FO if they keep Ayres but let Baynes walk just cause they didn't want to swallow Ayres contract.

amen, brotha!

[jeebus]

Another solid game by Baynsie today. 13 and 6 on 63% shooting. lol Exum with almost 21 minutes in game and doing nothing. Great draft there :tu. Meanwhile, Ayres is still in faggot bitch mode and fouling people at HEB.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Another solid game by Baynsie today. 13 and 6 on 63% shooting. lol Exum with almost 21 minutes in game and doing nothing. Great draft there :tu. Meanwhile, Ayres is still in faggot bitch mode and fouling people at HEB.

very nice touch!

[jeebus]

very nice touch!



Baynes can't put the ball in the hole on offense
The Errors lover has been bring the bads lately.

[Baynes]

baynes >> pekovic

[Obstructed_View]

Thing is, the Spurs could be offending him by low balling him while paying Ayres more than double what they're offering him, so he doesn't have to let the Spurs match crap from a Euro team.
It's possible. Ayres arrived differently, and the Spurs don't make a big deal about how players use those situations to their advantage. Aron goes and earns a big offer from someone, and the Spurs match it. He's basically writing his own paycheck with his play on the court. That's a pretty good way to do it.

They're almost certainly going to keep Ayres. If Baynes signs with the Spurs and anyone is going to be sacrificed to free up a spot, it'll be Daye.

[downunder]

There will be a team who can use Baynes. I remember Luc Longley before Chicago Bulls grabbed him, Longley was regarded as useless. A good coach knows how to use the big man. Baynes can block the lane on D just like Longley did at Chicago; on offence he sits at top of key and blocks guards when his team weaves on offense. Longley got and deserved 3 championship rings for that. Pop may remember that. If Baynes is not offered real money he should go !!! In the past clearly Pop did not encourage him to shoot; in Europe he has shown he can if encouraged. Funny same thing happened to Mills; how long did Pop take to give him the green light ?

[Capt Bringdown]

I remember Luc Longley before Chicago Bulls grabbed him, Longley was regarded as useless. A good coach knows how to use the big man. Baynes can block the lane on D just like Longley did at Chicago; on offence he sits at top of key and blocks guards when his team weaves on offense.

Good call. Baynes reminds me of Longley as well. I like what I see in Baynes, although I confess that I didn't see much of Ayres play last year. Certainly Baynes was the better player in the playoffs for us, right?
I hope the Spurs sign him.

[SupremeGuy]

There will be a team who can use Baynes. I remember Luc Longley before Chicago Bulls grabbed him, Longley was regarded as useless. A good coach knows how to use the big man. Baynes can block the lane on D just like Longley did at Chicago; on offence he sits at top of key and blocks guards when his team weaves on offense. Longley got and deserved 3 championship rings for that. Pop may remember that. If Baynes is not offered real money he should go !!! In the past clearly Pop did not encourage him to shoot; in Europe he has shown he can if encouraged. Funny same thing happened to Mills; how long did Pop take to give him the green light ?It also took him forever to let Tiago play...

That's just how Pop is, tbh. Unless you're a once in a generation type player like Timmy, you usually have to ride the bench for a year or two until Pop finally lets you play.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

It also took him forever to let Tiago play...

That's just how Pop is, tbh. Unless you're a once in a generation type player like Timmy, you usually have to ride the bench for a year or two until Pop finally lets you play.

Pops greatest flaw, far and away. He is big man dyslexic. And for the record, i'm not an Ayers lover. If you are confused, it's probably because my sarcasm was so believable. jeebus

[DrunkTXLabrat]

also, watch the Baynes minutes in game 3 of the finals. That man hit a 3!!!!

[exstatic]

also, watch the Baynes minutes in game 3 of the finals. That man hit a 3!!!!

He attempted one 3 pointer in the playoffs, total, and missed. If you thought you saw one, it was after the shot clock or quarter buzzer, or his toe was on the line.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

He attempted one 3 pointer in the playoffs, total, and missed. If you thought you saw one, it was after the shot clock or quarter buzzer, or his toe was on the line.

4th quarter, 1:17 remaining, game 3 of finals

[DrunkTXLabrat]

4th quarter, 1:17 remaining, game 3 of finals

made kawhi go full on dopey

[exstatic]

4th quarter, 1:17 remaining, game 3 of finals


made kawhi go full on dopey

Amazing. You found something that neither basketball reference or nba.com recorded!

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Amazing. You found something that neither basketball reference or nba.com recorded!

watch the fucking spotlight spot asshole!

[exstatic]

watch the fucking spotlight spot asshole!

And NBA.COM and everyone else failed to record it. Right. I'll take the word of a drunk guy.

No one in any official capacity seems to think that Aron hit any three pointers in these playoffs, although one attempt was recorded.

Don't hate the messenger.

[exstatic]

http://www.nba.com/games/20140610/SASMIA/gameinfo.html

The NBA doesn't think he took one, let alone made one.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzmQujqFEZg&list=UUp8GXh05Dv_RdTtkvFb1DyQ

fine, it wasn't a 3! but you are still a hair-splitting asshole.

[exstatic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzmQujqFEZg&list=UUp8GXh05Dv_RdTtkvFb1DyQ

fine, it wasn't a 3! but you are still a hair-splitting asshole.


He attempted one 3 pointer in the playoffs, total, and missed. If you thought you saw one, it was after the shot clock or quarter buzzer, or his toe was on the line.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

either way, my point is Baynes ability to put the ball in the basket is underestimated.

[exstatic]

either way, my point is Baynes ability to put the ball in the basket is underestimated.

I'm actually not doing any estimating of any kind, I'm looking at his numbers. He' was actually BETTER in his rookie year, but the sample size was smaller, only 16 games.

In 69 career games, encompassing 613 minutes of playing time and about 3 shots per game, Aron is shooting .447. That's poor for a big man, and not an estimate, over or under.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I'm actually not doing any estimating of any kind, I'm looking at his numbers. He' was actually BETTER in his rookie year, but the sample size was smaller, only 16 games.

In 69 career games, encompassing 613 minutes of playing time and about 3 shots per game, Aron is shooting .447. That's poor for a big man, and not an estimate, over or under.

You're a tin man. You're argument has no heart. My argument might not have the statistical brains... but at the end of the day i'd rather have the heart to be on the pro-Baynes side than the brains to be on the pro-Ayers.

[exstatic]

You're a tin man. You're argument has no heart. My argument might not have the statistical brains... but at the end of the day i'd rather have the heart to be on the pro-Baynes side than the brains to be on the pro-Ayers.

I don't really care about Ayres one way or the other. I hope he improves, but if not, they'll move on to someone else. It's fun to troll you guys, though. Someone had to stick up for the poor stone-handed bastard.

It's not about heart, it's about numbers. The Spurs understand that, and it's one of the cornerstones of player acquisition for them: advanced stats. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the Spurs.

[jeebus]

I don't see how exstatic can see the keyboard through his tears due to everyone bashing his favorite player.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I don't really care about Ayres one way or the other. I hope he improves, but if not, they'll move on to someone else. It's fun to troll you guys, though. Someone had to stick up for the poor stone-handed bastard.

It's not about heart, it's about numbers. The Spurs understand that, and it's one of the cornerstones of player acquisition for them: advanced stats. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the Spurs.

don't try to defend Ayers or heartless faith of advanced stats. you will forget where you put the glasses that sit on your face.

[ChumpDumper]

Eh, all Ayres has to do is catch a few more passes and make a few more dunks this season.

Baynes has reached mania level Mensah-Bonsu at this point. Who else is playing for a contract in international friendlies?

[debo]

Eh, all Ayres has to do is catch a few more passes and make a few more dunks this season.

Baynes has reached mania level Mensah-Bonsu at this point. Who else is playing for a contract in international friendlies?


I just don't see potential from Ayres.. I watched him all season and during the summer league. Baynes may be getting overrated here on ST, but that's kind of what ST does to everyone. That shouldn't take anything away from Aron, who I think could be very useful against larger front courts.

[ChumpDumper]

I just don't see potential from Ayres.. I watched him all season and during the summer league. Baynes may be getting overrated here on ST, but that's kind of what ST does to everyone. That shouldn't take anything away from Aron, who I think could be very useful against larger front courts.Grass is greener.

I'm fine with either/both coming back or going away. Just not that big a deal.

[exstatic]

Grass is greener.

I'm fine with either/both coming back or going away. Just not that big a deal.

If you throw Daye on the pile, then, THIS.

[ChumpDumper]

If you throw Daye on the pile, then, THIS.Right. Easy to forget.

My guess is the fourth big minute eater role is currently Jeff's to lose.

[313]

Ayers is a POS, period. Dude couldn't keep up i summer league.

[exstatic]

Ayers is a POS, period. Dude couldn't keep up i summer league.

George Hill couldn't keep up in SL, either, and is now making $8M and starting. SL is a shitty sounding board. If you're not a chucker guard you won't be noticed. Hell, Ostertag took Timmy's lunch money in SL.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Baynes is still better than Ayers and you guys are desperate to undermine any good he may do in international play.

Ayers was inferior to Baynes against easier competition.

Last season your ship was sinking but now it's capsized and at the bottom of the ocean. Baynes deserves a roster spot. Hopefully when he gets done overseas where he has been doing good work he can come home and be our 4th big.

[ChumpDumper]

It's just not as big a deal as you want to make it.

[cd021]

I just don't see potential from Ayres.. I watched him all season and during the summer league. Baynes may be getting overrated here on ST, but that's kind of what ST does to everyone. That shouldn't take anything away from Aron, who I think could be very useful against larger front courts.

Baynes is clearly overrated on ST, it doesn't make him a bad player but people think his ceiling is higher than it probably is.

Baynes has intriguing tools but at the moment is no better than Ayers. Ayers biggest problem is his lack of hands. If he catches and finishes better then he his value to his team rises.

Baynes does have a specific value as a strong rebounder, that's a useful skill on a team on a team that struggles to crash the glass.

Baynes is more of a natural center than Ayers (who is a PF who primarily plays C for the Spurs)

If the Spurs believe he can develop into an 18-22 mpg center off the bench, on a cheap deal then they will likely take the chance.

Both have struggled with fouling and turnovers. Which is an area that both needs to improve on.

If his value lies in his ability to match up against bigger front courts, then that's not all that valuable in today's NBA.

Detroit & Memphis are probably the biggest teams in the league.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's just not as big a deal as you want to make it.

This is Scotty Brooks level basketball thinking. Overplay your starters and rely on a few stars. Spurs use their entire roster and in light of Duncan's age, his minutes are set to decline. More minutes are going to be available at the 5.

We like Baynes. Quit being an intolerant douchebag about it.

[ChumpDumper]

This is Scotty Brooks level basketball thinking. Overplay your starters and rely on a few stars. Spurs use their entire roster and in light of Duncan's age, his minutes are set to decline. More minutes are going to be available at the 5. Or 4. Like last year when Baynes didn't play. It could just as easily go that way again this coming season. Baynes needs to improve a lot to become a regular rotation player.


We like Baynes. Quit being an intolerant douchebag about it.How specifically am I being intolerant about it? No one is forbidding you from liking anyone. You're being extremely emotional about Mensah-Baynesu. It's cracking me up.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Baynes is clearly overrated on ST, it doesn't make him a bad player but people think his ceiling is higher than it probably is.

Baynes has intriguing tools but at the moment is no better than Ayers. Ayers biggest problem is his lack of hands. If he catches and finishes better then he his value to his team rises.

Baynes does have a specific value as a strong rebounder, that's a useful skill on a team on a team that struggles to crash the glass.

Baynes is more of a natural center than Ayers (who is a PF who primarily plays C for the Spurs)

If the Spurs believe he can develop into an 18-22 mpg center off the bench, on a cheap deal then they will likely take the chance.

Both have struggled with fouling and turnovers. Which is an area that both needs to improve on.

If his value lies in his ability to match up against bigger front courts, then that's not all that valuable in today's NBA.

Detroit & Memphis are probably the biggest teams in the league.

Baynes improved his rate of fouling throughout the season and is a far superior pnr and rim defenderand rebounder than Ayres. The difference in strength is not significant nor is leaping ability but Baynes is much more agile and coordinated than Ayers.

Ayers biggest problems are that he is a slug when asked to defend the high pnr and he is not very quick and agile so he has a big problem turning, moving his feet and getting in position to defend the rim even when he sees the play coming at him.

The difference between Baynes and Ayers is that Ayers fouls because he is constantly out of position. Baynes fouls because he is overaggressive. You read stat lines more than you evaluate players especially with SSS.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Or 4. Like last year when Baynes didn't play. It could just as easily go that way again this coming season. Baynes needs to improve a lot to become a regular rotation player.

How specifically am I being intolerant about it? No one is forbidding you from liking anyone. You're being extremely emotional about Mensah-Baynesu. It's cracking me up.

Because mocking derision is intolerance. Schadenfreude is antisocial behavior. What you are doing here is no different than the shit that xmas et al do. I am a lot less upset about it than you think but if all you intend to do is try and get your jollies I suppose there is no point in discussing this with you further.

[ChumpDumper]

Because mocking derision is intolerance.No, it's mocking derision.
Schadenfreude is antisocial behavior.Do you know where you are posting?
What you are doing here is no different than the shit that xmas et al do.I don't remember trying to broker a truce.
I am a lot less upset about it than you think but if all you intend to do is try and get your jollies I suppose there is no point in discussing this with you further.Well, I can't say I am convinced after that rant. You really are taking this personally and it's difficult for me not to have a chuckle at such a visceral reaction to common basketball sense.

[le13]

:nope do not go sa fast on baynes. Good Guy, pretty decent player but was completely washup against France tonight.. France won 75-50.....

[ChumpDumper]

Well, now friendlies mean absolutely nothing.

[jeebus]

:nope do not go sa fast on baynes. Good Guy, pretty decent player but was completely washup against France tonight.. France won 75-50.....

he was the only player for the aussies that did anything in that game


http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/3886/12/48/15/81LMv1U8GlBCk/

[ego]

Diaw was great tonight !

[EVAY]

he was the only player for the aussies that did anything in that game


http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/3886/12/48/15/81LMv1U8GlBCk/

Totally true.

In fact, Baynes was the only Aussie starter to have more than one field goal in the entire game. And he had a double double. Baynes had a better game than any other aussie.

[Ice009]

:nope do not go sa fast on baynes. Good Guy, pretty decent player but was completely washup against France tonight.. France won 75-50.....

What do you mean by washup? I just looked at the box score and Baynes had 17pts, 11rebs and 3 blocks. How is that a bad game? I assume you watched it and are going by the way he played?


Diaw was great tonight !

It seems Diaw shot 6-13 from the field and Baynes shot 6-14 (5/6 ft). I know France won big, but stat wise, Baynes looks like he did OK.

I assume you guys were able to watch the game? You want to give us some more info? Were Baynes' stats empty stats (where he didn't have much influence on the game), or did he actually play OK out there? Just going by the stats, it looks like Baynes tried to bring it and the rest of his teammates didn't show up.

Also, I am interested in how Gelabale did. He's a SF, right? You guys think he can play in the NBA still or has his game dropped off?

[downunder]

Duncan cannot keep going. He is a big chance of to having an injury this season given his age etc Just like Parker and Manu. So logically Spurs need more than one centre backup . Baynes is cheap even at his alleged asking price. Spurs management should ask Batum and Diaw who could not stop him scoring. Ayers has had his chances.

[Ice009]

Duncan cannot keep going. He is a big chance of to having an injury this season given his age etc Just like Parker and Manu. So logically Spurs need more than one centre backup . Baynes is cheap even at his alleged asking price. Spurs management should ask Batum and Diaw who could not stop him scoring. Ayers has had his chances.

Where you able to watch this previous game against France?

[sinok]

Duncan cannot keep going. He is a big chance of to having an injury this season given his age etc Just like Parker and Manu. So logically Spurs need more than one centre backup . Baynes is cheap even at his alleged asking price. Spurs management should ask Batum and Diaw who could not stop him scoring. Ayers has had his chances.


Where in hell are Batum and Diaw supposed to guard the center position?
They did their job as Forwards and it was damn fine, given the abortion of a Job that did Joe Ingles (totally NBA ready, seems so :lol) and David Alexander.
You have terrible basketball takes.

[buttsR4rebounding]

If you throw Daye on the pile, then, THIS.

Exactly. Baynes is an option in a few situations. It gives Pop someone to body up with Gasol or Howard if there is foul trouble or guys need a few minutes blow, but nothing more. I'd like him to stay to bring back the whole squad, but it is not like he will get anything but intermittent minutes and even fewer important minutes.

[Perry Mason]

Where can we find highlights or replays on the internet of these games?

[downunder]

Batum & Diaw have watched Baynes, and watched their team not stop him scoring. Baynes has been let loose on the court, a luxury not given him at Spurs in the past.

[sinok]

What a glory, he was guarded by skinny ass Gobert, useless Mahinmi and a somewhat decent Lauvergne who is still playing in Europe.
Not like he was playing against decent nba material (and I do not event talk about starter material)...

And I still do not understand in which way Batum and Diaw were supposed to guard him...

Just a fucking aussie wanker who has no interest in spurs, just a useless aussie way too hyped up about its homeland players.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Nationalism is gay.

Baynes can play.

That is all, faggots.

[jeebus]

What a glory, he was guarded by skinny ass Gobert, useless Mahinmi and a somewhat decent Lauvergne who is still playing in Europe.
Not like he was playing against decent nba material (and I do not event talk about starter material)...

Then again, all 3 are light years ahead of Errors.

[wildbill2u]

It always seems that some ST posters think we need a veteran super-sub at the end of the bench while others want youngsters who will work hard to develop.

Considering the amount of minutes that players in the 11-15 spots are likely to get, even on a team that uses a lot of players, the FO is probably looking first at the contract cost rather than the marginally better stats that a veteran on the downside of his career is likely to bring.

This doesn't even take into consideration the possibility of friction that a vet who is used to more minutes can bring to the team.

It's all well and good for armchair FO and coaching wannabes to make their arguments on ST, but actual results are what counts and I'm not gonna second guess the FO Exec of the Year and Coach of the Year who brought another title to SA.

[TampaDude]

If we can get Baynes cheap, then by all means sign him. He's big and strong and great for frustrating guys like Dwert. :lol

[mkurts]

Need him just to frustrate OKC and Houston