The mighty PAC12.....

[Avante]

...and all those QB's.

Obviously the conference is loaded right now, could be the best as a group...ever~!

Then there's...

Washington....Warren Moon, Mark Brunell
WSU...Drew Bledsoe, Mark Rypien
Oregon...Dan Fouts, Norm Van Brocklin
OSU...Terry Baker
Stanford...John Elway, Jim Plunkett, John Brodie, Andrew Luck, Frankie Albert
Cal...Aaron Rodgers, Steve Bartkowski, Craig Morton, Joe Kapp
UCLA...Troy Aikman, Gary Beban, Billy Kilmer
USC...Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez
Arizona...Nick Foles
ASU...Danny White, Jake Plummer

On a whole other level.

[Pelicans78]

WASU - Tim Rosenbach and Ryan Leaf may have been better college QBs than Bledsoe and Rypien

Washington - Billy Joe Hobert won a national title.

USC - Rodney Peete?

UCLA - Cade McNown was a monster as well

Oregon - Joey Harrington almost led them to the title game

[Blake]

Cal...Aaron Rodgers


TT beat #4 Cal / Rodgers in the Holiday Bowl rather convincingly.

[Vito Corleone]

Every conference can make a list like this.

[Avante]

Every conference can make a list like this.

Not even remotely close to that. Not even in the same ballpark.

Go ahead prove your point.

PAC12

John Elway HOF
Dan Fouts HOF
Warren Moon HOF
Norm Van Brocklin HOF
Troy Aikman HOF
Terry Baker Heisman
Carson Palmer Heisman
Gary Beban Heisman
Matt Leinart Hesman
Jim Plunkett Heisman

Your turn.

[Vito Corleone]

Big 12

TEXAS
Bobby Lane
Vince Young
Colt McCoy
James Street

Oklahoma
Sam Bradford
Jason White
Josh Heupel
Troy Aikman
Thomas Lott
CJ Watts
Jamelle Holloway


TCU
Sammy Baugh

Baylor
RGIII
Cody Carlson

Texas Tech
Kliff Kingsbury
Graham Harrell

OSU
Mike Gundy
Brandon Weedon

KSU
Michael Bishop One of best option QBs of all time.

ISU
Senica Wallace

Kansas
Todd Reesing

[Avante]

Big 12

TEXAS
Bobby Lane
Vince Young
Colt McCoy
James Street

Oklahoma
Sam Bradford
Jason White
Josh Heupel
Troy Aikman
Thomas Lott
CJ Watts
Jamelle Holloway


TCU
Sammy Baugh

Baylor
RGIII
Cody Carlson

Texas Tech
Kliff Kingsbury
Graham Harrell

OSU
Mike Gundy
Brandon Weedon

KSU
Michael Bishop One of best option QBs of all time.

ISU
Senica Wallace

Kansas
Todd Reesing


You're kidding....right?

[Avante]

USC running backs

"Jaguar" Jon Arnett
Frank Gifford
Mike Garrett
Charles White
Marcus Allen
Sam Cunningham
Clarence Davis
Anthony Davis
Ricky Bell
O.J.Smpson
Reggie Bush
Lendale White

no less than...

three NFL Hall of Famers
five Heisman winners
eight NFL 1000 yard rushers

[Pelicans78]

Not even remotely close to that. Not even in the same ballpark.

Go ahead prove your point.

PAC12

John Elway HOF
Dan Fouts HOF
Warren Moon HOF
Norm Van Brocklin HOF
Troy Aikman HOF
Terry Baker Heisman
Carson Palmer Heisman
Gary Beban Heisman
Matt Leinart Hesman
Jim Plunkett Heisman

Your turn.

SEC

Bart Staar
Joe Namath
Cam Newton (Heisman)
Pat Sullivan (Heisman)
Peyton Manning
Danny Wuerffel (Heisman)
Tim Tebow (Heisman)
Billy Cannon (Heisman)
George Blanda
Fran Tarketon
Y.A. Tittle
Johnny Manziel (Heisman)
Steve Spurrier (Heisman)

[Pelicans78]

Aikman doesn't count for OU. Seriously.

[DMX7]

Not even remotely close to that. Not even in the same ballpark.

Go ahead prove your point.

PAC12

John Elway HOF
Dan Fouts HOF
Warren Moon HOF
Norm Van Brocklin HOF
Troy Aikman HOF
Terry Baker Heisman
Carson Palmer Heisman
Gary Beban Heisman
Matt Leinart Hesman
Jim Plunkett Heisman

Your turn.

What about Reggie Bush? The man was a God there in LALA land.

[Pelicans78]

What about Reggie Bush? The man was a God there in LALA land.

Talking about QBs.

[Avante]

SEC

Bart Staar
Joe Namath
Cam Newton (Heisman)
Pat Sullivan (Heisman)
Peyton Manning
Danny Wuerffel (Heisman)
Tim Tebow (Heisman)
Billy Cannon (Heisman)
George Blanda
Fran Tarketon
Y.A. Tittle
Johnny Manziel (Heisman)
Steve Spurrier (Heisman)

How about your Hall of Famers?

Starr, Namath, Tittle, Manning (an obvious lock) Tarkenton, Blanda.

Why no love for Kenny Stabler?

Billy Cannon was a running back.

[Pelicans78]

How about your Hall of Famers?

Starr, Namath, Tittle, Manning (an obvious lock) Tarkenton, Blanda.

Why no love for Kenny Stabler?

Billy Cannon was a running back.

I listed all the Hall of Famers and Heisman winners. That's why I didn't list Stabler. I did at first but I took him off.

You're right about Canon.

But you have to admit its a damn good list.

[Avante]

I listed all the Hall of Famers and Heisman winners. That's why I didn't list Stabler. I did at first but I took him off.

You're right about Canon.

But you have to admit its a damn good list.

Got it!

Yep, damn good list. But the Pac12 is just too good at the top with.....Elway, Rodgers, Moon, Fouts, Aikman.

[Vito Corleone]

USC running backs

"Jaguar" Jon Arnett
Frank Gifford
Mike Garrett
Charles White
Marcus Allen
Sam Cunningham
Clarence Davis
Anthony Davis
Ricky Bell
O.J.Smpson
Reggie Bush
Lendale White

no less than...

three NFL Hall of Famers
five Heisman winners
eight NFL 1000 yard rushers


I like how you change the argument, is it USC or the PAC 12? Just like the Big 12 doesn't match up with the PAC when it comes to QBs the Pac doesn't match up to the Big 12 when it comes to Running backs. Outside of USC there isn't much to offer.

The Big 12 has

Texas
Earl Campbell
Ricky Williams
Cedric Benson
Jamal Charles
Eric Metcalf
Tommie Ford
Chris Gilbert
Roosevelt Leaks
James Saxton

Oklahoma
Adrian Peterson
Billy Simms
Marcus Dupree
Greg Pruitt
Joe Washington
Steve Owens
Mike Gaddis

Oklahoma State
Barry Saunders
Thurman Thomas
Lynn Waldorf

TCU
Ladanian Tomlinson
Kenneth Davis
Jim Swink

Kansas
Gale Sayers
John Riggins

KSU
Lynn Dickey
Darren Sproles

Texas Tech
James Gray
Bam Morris
Byron Handspare

Baylor
Walter Abercrombie

ISU
Troy Davis

West Virginia
Steve Slaton
Noel Devine


And an EDIT for QBs as TCU also prduced Davey OBrian the namesake of the top QB award.

[Avante]

I like how you change the argument, is it USC or the PAC 12? Just like the Big 12 doesn't match up with the PAC when it comes to QBs the Pac doesn't match up to the Big 12 when it comes to Running backs. Outside of USC there isn't much to offer.

The Big 12 has

Texas
Earl Campbell
Ricky Williams
Cedric Benson
Jamal Charles
Eric Metcalf
Tommie Ford
Chris Gilbert
Roosevelt Leaks
James Saxton

Oklahoma
Adrian Peterson
Billy Simms
Marcus Dupree
Greg Pruitt
Joe Washington
Steve Owens
Mike Gaddis

Oklahoma State
Barry Saunders
Thurman Thomas
Lynn Waldorf

TCU
Ladanian Tomlinson
Kenneth Davis
Jim Swink

Kansas
Gale Sayers
John Riggins

KSU
Lynn Dickey
Darren Sproles

Texas Tech
James Gray
Bam Morris
Byron Handspare

Baylor
Walter Abercrombie

ISU
Troy Davis

West Virginia
Steve Slaton
Noel Devine


And an EDIT for QBs as TCU also prduced Davey OBrian the namesake of the top QB award.

At least get it right.

ADD....

Texas

Priest Holmes

Texas Tech

Donny Anderson

Kansas

Delvin Wiliams
Curtis McClinton

Oklahoma St

Terry Miller

Oklahoma

Elvis Peacock
Joe Don Looney
Mike Thomas

Kansas State

Larry Brown

Baylor

Frank Pollard

Lynn Dickey is a QB

So only USC has running backs in the PAC12?

NFL 1000 yard rushers *

UCLA

Kenny Washington
Mel Farr
Freeman McNeil*
Gaston Green*
Skip Hicks
Deshaun Foster*
James Owens
Theotis Brown
Wendell Tyler*
Maurice Jones Drew*
Eric Ball
Jonathan Franklin
James McAlister
Karim Abdul Jabbar

Cal

Marshawn Lynch*
Chuck Muncie*
Russell White
Javid Best
Justin Forsett
JJ Arrington

Stanford

Ernie Nevers Hall of Fame
Tony Gerhart
Darrin Nelson
Glyn Milburn
Brad Muster

Arizona

Paul Robinson* first Bengal to gain a 1000 yards
Chuck Levy
Brad Hubbert
Hubie Oliver
Trung Candiate

ASU

Gerald Riggs* Falcons all time leading rusher
Travis Williams
"Mini" Max Anderson
Darryl Clack
Charley Taylor...Hall of Fame as a receiver
Gene Foster
Brent McClanahan
John Henry Joihnson * Hall of Fame
Art Malone
Benny Malone
Woody Green*
Mario Bates*

Washington

Hugh "The King" McElhenny Hall of Fame
Corey Dillion* Bengals all time leading rusher
Napolean Kaufman*
Greg Lewis
Toussaint Tyler

WSU

Ruben Mayes*
Keith Lincoln****
Steve Broussard
Chris Ivory
Mike Pringle

Oregon St

Steven Jackson* Rams all time leading rusher
Paul Lowe* first Charger to gain a 1000 yards
Ken Simonton
Jacquizz Rodgers

Oregon

Mel Renfro.....Hall of Fame as a DB
LaGarrette Blount*
LaMichael James
Rueben Droughns*
Derek Loville
Dino Philyaw
Onterrio Smith
Jonathan Stewart*
Kevin Wilhite

Colorado

Rashaan Salaam* Heisman
Eric Bieniemy
Chris Brown
Tony Reed*
Cullen Bryant

Utah

Jamal Anderson*
Mike Anderson*
Carl Monroe
Charlie Smith

Now add..USC

**** Keith Lincoln was a stud fullback with the Chargers, he would score....

rushing
receiving
passing
kickoff return
punt return
PAT
field goal

Somebody should have warned ya, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

I showed around 30 NFL 1000 yard rushers there, you had less than 15. Ya might wanna rethink things.

PAC12

QB...John Elway
RB...Marcus Allen
RB...O.J.Simpson
WR...James Lofton
WR..Charley Taylor
TE...Tony Gonzalez

All in the Hall of Fame (obviously Gonzalez)

[Avante]

Where the PAC12 is weak is with wide receivers. Which is a bit surprising since no conference throws it around like the PAC12. No need for a list because it's not all that impessive.

The only PAC12 wide receiver up their in the all time stats is Stanfords James Lofton, a track guy(27 foot long jumper)

As we all know Lynn Swann does not belong in the HOF, especially if Cliff Branch isn't there.

At no position do we see so many small schools guys excell than at wide receiver.

[Vito Corleone]

Gotta love those Avante moving targets. So now it's 1000 yard rushers in the NFL? Why not Heisman winners NFL HOF? Why only 1000 yard rushers. Hell how about Pro Bowls? 1000 yard rushers? why not high school lettermen.

[Avante]

Gotta love those Avante moving targets. So now it's 1000 yard rushers in the NFL? Why not Heisman winners NFL HOF? Why only 1000 yard rushers. Hell how about Pro Bowls? 1000 yard rushers? why not high school lettermen.

No moving targets just showing you that the PAC12 has had more "quality" running backs than the Big12. No it's not......other than USC, not much....at all, as you saw.

This thread is about the PAC12, you seem to be struggling with that.

[leemajors]

@jgw Greatness

[Vito Corleone]

No moving targets just showing you that the PAC12 has had more "quality" running backs than the Big12. No it's not......other than USC, not much....at all, as you saw.

This thread is about the PAC12, you seem to be struggling with that.

No dumbass, the NFL outside of pro bowls and HOF is not part of this discussion. I'd consider your argument about 1000 yard rushers for those guys that are still in the game but lets be honest this is college football and all that really matters is how they did at this level.

I can add a hell of a lot more guys from both Texas and Oklahoma if all were talking about is NFL 1000 yard rushers You forget Texas and Oklahoma for most of their existence were primarily running programs.

I'm interested in true greatness and the Pac doesn't have it.

[Avante]

No dumbass, the NFL outside of pro bowls and HOF is not part of this discussion. I'd consider your argument about 1000 yard rushers for those guys that are still in the game but lets be honest this is college football and all that really matters is how they did at this level.

I can add a hell of a lot more guys from both Texas and Oklahoma if all were talking about is NFL 1000 yard rushers You forget Texas and Oklahoma for most of their existence were primarily running programs.

I'm interested in true greatness and the Pac doesn't have it.


First of all cool this...dumbasss...bullshit, ok? You're the one telling me..."other than USC, not much"....you have any idea how stupid that was? Let me guess....nope!

Trust me little man, when it comes to sprinters/running backs/receivers you won't be telling me a damn thing...ok? That is my pet, I have it 100% covered....ok?

The PAC12 has more quality running back than the Big12 has had, that is a fact and really not even debatable. Hell, I didn't even mention Jackie Robinson UCLA.

Last time USC played Oklahoma...55-19, last time USC played Texas, Texa gets a TD with Youngs knee on the ground. Texas 41-USC 38.

Greatness...haha!!!!!

Oh yeah, all the NFL 1000 yard rushers from Texas/Oklahoma have already been mentioned.

[Avante]

Stanford vs USC

Struggling trying to get a feel on this game, obviously last game didn't help.

One of the bummerrs of these early season games, ya haven't seen enought.

[The Gemini Method]

USC's speed on D kept the win for them against Standford last year. The new up-tempo offense will give Stanford fits. They don't have Skov and the other DL whose name has escaped. This isn't an Oregon fast break offense because it has bigger receivers and a smashing run game that will help. It is a road game and there may be a dulling of the emotion that fueled them last week. I'll go USC 28 - Stanford 20.

[Avante]

USC's speed on D kept the win for them against Standford last year. The new up-tempo offense will give Stanford fits. They don't have Skov and the other DL whose name has escaped. This isn't an Oregon fast break offense because it has bigger receivers and a smashing run game that will help. It is a road game and there may be a dulling of the emotion that fueled them last week. I'll go USC 28 - Stanford 20.

Well USC is returning 15 starters to Stanfords 12. So why Stanford is favored...?

Ok man ya talked me into it, USC 28 Stanford 20.

I tried to get a handle on the game, couldn't do it.

[The Gemini Method]

Well USC is returning 15 starters to Stanfords 12. So why Stanford is favored...?

Ok man ya talked me into it, USC 28 Stanford 20.

I tried to get a handle on the game, couldn't do it. USC has traditionally struggled in The Weekender. They don't play well up in Palo Alto so I can see why you are hesitant. I think, though, Stanford's D took too many losses so I don't know how they'll slow down this new offense.

[Avante]

USC has traditionally struggled in The Weekender. They don't play well up in Palo Alto so I can see why you are hesitant. I think, though, Stanford's D took too many losses so I don't know how they'll slow down this new offense.

You are a mind reader, I was looking at that. It has been awhile since the Trojans won in Palto Alto. And a real long time since USC won in consecutive years.

[The Gemini Method]

I wouldn't be surprised if USC gets beat--but as a lifelong fan, I am opportunistic for some reason this season. I don't think we're going to win the PAC-12 but we should contend for the South division and at least look like we're back in the conversation for PAC 12 contention.

[Avante]

I wouldn't be surprised if USC gets beat--but as a lifelong fan, I am opportunistic for some reason this season. I don't think we're going to win the PAC-12 but we should contend for the South division and at least look like we're back in the conversation for PAC 12 contention.

Ya can't go from...28-20...and then..."if USC gets beat"....ha~~~

I really am having a hard time with this one, you had me sold until...."if USC gets beat".

[The Gemini Method]

Ya can't go from...28-20...and then..."if USC gets beat"....ha~~~

I really am having a hard time with this one, you had me sold until...."if USC gets beat".

Well, you said it in an earlier post--It's Game 2. It is a hard sell. I'm just saying that I believe they will win. No team is a clear picture of its true self until later in the season. Alabama and Fla St. didn't look sharp in game 1 but you wouldn't write them off. Take the dog! Fight On! Hooorah. Is that better?

[Avante]

Well, you said it in an earlier post--It's Game 2. It is a hard sell. I'm just saying that I believe they will win. No team is a clear picture of its true self until later in the season. Alabama and Fla St. didn't look sharp in game 1 but you wouldn't write them off. Take the dog! Fight On! Hooorah. Is that better?

Hoorah.....works for me.

[The Gemini Method]

Hoorah.....works for me.

Who do you like in the Oregon/Michigan St. tilt? I'm leaning Oregon, but we all know when that Air Raid offense goes up against a physical D they wilt. The home factor may just prove to be the deciding factor.

[Avante]

Who do you like in the Oregon/Michigan St. tilt? I'm leaning Oregon, but we all know when that Air Raid offense goes up against a physical D they wilt. The home factor may just prove to be the deciding factor.

I like Oregon in this "spot", the difference in team speed will be dramatic. A little concerrned over that Ducks D line but they do recruit well. An outstanding offense returning nine starters with a 4300 yards dual threat QB....ouch!

MSU on the road early vs a big time opponet ...not so hot. Having lost to ND twice in that "spot" since 2011.

[The Gemini Method]

Yeah, I'm with you on this one--MSU hasn't been in this spot. Closest thing was vs. Stanford in the Rose Bowl, seemed more like a home game with the pro-MSU crowd.

[Avante]

Yeah, I'm with you on this one--MSU hasn't been in this spot. Closest thing was vs. Stanford in the Rose Bowl, seemed more like a home game with the pro-MSU crowd.

Mariotta is simply too much. His ability to extend plays, a big deal.

[Infinite_limit]

Since the 1980s

Pac10 Football = Big East Football

[Avante]

Since the 1980s

Pac10 Football = Big East Football

Don't know much about the college game do ya?

[Infinite_limit]

Don't know much about the college game do ya?
West Coast football since the 1980's has always been an after thought.

NC titles since 1980
SEC - 12
Big12 - 7 (Colorado 1990)
ACC - 5
BigEast - 5
Big10 - 4
Pac10 -3* (I'll count 2004)
Irish - 1


So your entire Conference has 2 more titles than the Notre Dame Irish in the past 34 years. Congrats.

[Avante]

Hmmmm?

http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819309

[ChumpDumper]

http://forums-cdn.appleinsider.com/e/e0/e0d382a0_1slj61.gif

[tlongII]

West Coast football since the 1980's has always been an after thought.

NC titles since 1980
SEC - 12
Big12 - 7 (Colorado 1990)
ACC - 5
BigEast - 5
Big10 - 4
Pac10 -3* (I'll count 2004)
Irish - 1


So your entire Conference has 2 more titles than the Notre Dame Irish in the past 34 years. Congrats.

That's because the conference is so good. It's extremely difficult to make it through the PAC undefeated.

[The Reckoning]

That's because the conference is so good. It's extremely difficult to make it through the PAC undefeated.


then why do they choke when they do?

[Avante]

That's because the conference is so good. It's extremely difficult to make it through the PAC undefeated.

Bingo~!

[Infinite_limit]

Bingo~!
Avante, how does it feel to glorify the Conference least likely to parade out a Black QB?

[Avante]

Avante, how does it feel to glorify the Conference least likely to parade out a Black QB?

Why would I care about that?

[Infinite_limit]

Why would I care about that?
YA-RIGHT

[Avante]

YA-RIGHT

You're not really paying attention amigo.

[The Gemini Method]

What a win! Not the 28-20 score I predicted but as a fan of USCs that wasn't sure how good this team was, it is a nice win. Defense bended but didn't break as much as it should have. The offense was stifled but did just enough to get by. The pass rush was on Hogan but still he was shredding it. The last fumble creation was awesome. Next up is Boston College than the bye week.

[Avante]

What a win! Not the 28-20 score I predicted but as a fan of USCs that wasn't sure how good this team was, it is a nice win. Defense bended but didn't break as much as it should have. The offense was stifled but did just enough to get by. The pass rush was on Hogan but still he was shredding it. The last fumble creation was awesome. Next up is Boston College than the bye week.

I have no problem saying....10-0 heading into UCLA/ND. But, there will be that game where it's just not your day, so...9-1..???

[The Gemini Method]

I have no problem saying....10-0 heading into UCLA/ND. But, there will be that game where it's just not your day, so...9-1..???

I'm still trying to figure out what we are. I can see it being 9-1 and easily 8-2. I think Oregon St and Arizona St. are going to be the toughest we face up until UCLA. I'm going 9-1.

[tlongII]

I'm still trying to figure out what we are. I can see it being 9-1 and easily 8-2. I think Oregon St and Arizona St. are going to be the toughest we face up until UCLA. I'm going 9-1.

The Beavs are pretty good this year. It's going to be a battle down in LA, but home field definitely gives you the advantage.

[Pelicans78]

The Beavs are pretty good this year. It's going to be a battle down in LA, but home field definitely gives you the advantage.

Brandin Cooks is a beast!!! :toast

[pgardn]

That's because the conference is so good. It's extremely difficult to make it through the PAC undefeated.

Yeah.

The Big 10 uses that line as well.

[Pelicans78]

The mighty Pac-12 is overrated as fuck this year.

[Avante]

The mighty Pac-12 is overrated as fuck this year.

Well they have beat Texas, Michigan State, Virginia.

[Pelicans78]

Well they have beat Texas, Michigan State, Virginia.

Its only been 3 weeks so things will change, but the Pac-12 was expected to be neck & neck with the SEC if not in fact overtaking them this season since they had plenty of starting QBs returning while the SEC lost a ton of starting QBs, yet the SEC has so far dominated overall while the Pac-12 has been the 3rd best conference just behind the ACC.

[tlongII]

Its only been 3 weeks so things will change, but the Pac-12 was expected to be neck & neck with the SEC if not in fact overtaking them this season since they had plenty of starting QBs returning while the SEC lost a ton of starting QBs, yet the SEC has so far dominated overall while the Pac-12 has been the 3rd best conference just behind the ACC.

SEC hasn't dominated shit. They never play anybody.

[Pelicans78]

SEC hasn't dominated shit. They never play anybody.

Bama beat West Virginia, LSU beat Wisconsin, Georgia crushed Clemson, Arkansas won at Texas Tech, Ole Miss beat Boise.

[tlongII]

Bama beat West Virginia, LSU beat Wisconsin, Georgia crushed Clemson, Arkansas won at Texas Tech, Ole Miss beat Boise.

Oregon smacked Michigan State, UW crushed Illinois, UCLA beat Texas, and Cal won at Northwestern. So what?

[Pelicans78]

Oregon smacked Michigan State, UW crushed Illinois, UCLA beat Texas, and Cal won at Northwestern. So what?

You left out USC getting smacked by an average Boston College team. The SEC wins are more impressive overall. And the SEC as a whole has had a better strength of schedule. The ACC has been better than the Pac-12 so far.

[Blake]

That's because the conference is so good. It's extremely difficult to make it through the PAC undefeated.

lol

[Avante]

Its only been 3 weeks so things will change, but the Pac-12 was expected to be neck & neck with the SEC if not in fact overtaking them this season since they had plenty of starting QBs returning while the SEC lost a ton of starting QBs, yet the SEC has so far dominated overall while the Pac-12 has been the 3rd best conference just behind the ACC.

You are comparing the ACC to the Pac12.....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[Pelicans78]

You are comparing the ACC to the Pac12.....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Of course I am. The conference has been better so far.

[Avante]

Of course I am. The conference has been better so far.

What????????????????????????

[The Gemini Method]

Fucking corndogs running their mouths...and fuck USC for getting raped by a mediocre BC team. #firesarkisian

[spurraider21]

UCLA looking impressive

[spurraider21]

Fucking corndogs running their mouths...and fuck USC for getting raped by a mediocre BC team. #firesarkisian
we need armenian representation tbh :lol

[Robz4000]

ASU got absolutely murdered after the first quarter. Graham might not be the answer for the football program; he can recruit well but he can't put together a solid system on either side of the ball.

[Avante]

Obviously UCLA isn't that good and ASU that bad.

[Infinite_limit]

That's because the conference is so good. It's extremely difficult to make it through the PAC undefeated.
Meh. Unranked opponent @ Home?

[tlongII]

Meh. Unranked opponent @ Home?

Arizona is 5-0.

[Avante]

Imagine a few three loss Pac12 teams. Obviously none would make the final four and it's a shame because the conference fed on it's self.

[Pelicans78]

Arizona is 5-0.

I like Arizona and RichRod, but they barely beat a 1-3 UTSA squad and beat Cal on a Hail Mary. Just take it easy.

[Pelicans78]

None of these Pac-12 teams would survive in the SEC West.

[Silver&Black]

Imagine a few three loss Pac12 teams. Obviously none would make the final four and it's a shame because the conference fed on it's self.

SEC fans laugh at this comment....

[Avante]

None of these Pac-12 teams would survive in the SEC West.

Based on what?

[Avante]

SEC fans laugh at this comment....

I do see where you're at there, and have thought the same thing about the SEC.

[Silver&Black]

Based on what?

Have you turned on the television this year? Have you seen the SEC West? 6 teams ranked in the top 15...

[tlongII]

Have you turned on the television this year? Have you seen the SEC West? 6 teams ranked in the top 15...

So fucking what? That is weak. Let's see the SEC play the Pac-12 and then we will see.

[Silver&Black]

So fucking what? That is weak. Let's see the SEC play the Pac-12 and then we will see.

Have you watched television for the past 10 years? Seen any SEC games? Seen any National Championship games in that time? Where has the Pac-12 been?

[Avante]

Have you turned on the television this year? Have you seen the SEC West? 6 teams ranked in the top 15...

Now think about that for a minute.

[Avante]

Have you watched television for the past 10 years? Seen any SEC games? Seen any National Championship games in that time? Where has the Pac-12 been?

Dude I was watching SEC football before they allowed the black athlete, ok? Sheesh!

Tyrone wins the Wyoming 100m in 10.76. He is a state champ. A 10.76 won't make the semi's in Florida/Cali/Texas.

Let me guess ya don't get it.

[Silver&Black]

Dude I was watching SEC football before they allowed the black athlete, ok? Sheesh!

Tyrone wins the Wyoming 100m in 10.76. He is a state champ. A 10.76 won't make the semi's in Florida/Cali/Texas.

Let me guess ya don't get it.

Lets not get it twisted....For people to say the Pac-12 is even comparable to the SEC is ludicris. And people in this thread talking about how hard it is to win the Pac-12 because all the teams are so good...and the conference "fed on itself"....is just laughable.

Does anybody here think that Oregon, Stanford, or UCLA/USC (the best Pac-12 teams) would run the table in the SEC? Or only have 1 loss?

[Avante]

Lets not get it twisted....For people to say the Pac-12 is even comparable to the SEC is ludicris. And people in this thread talking about how hard it is to win the Pac-12 because all the teams are so good...and the conference "fed on itself"....is just laughable.

Does anybody here think that Oregon, Stanford, or UCLA/USC (the best Pac-12 teams) would run the table in the SEC? Or only have 1 loss?

Hell no they couldn't run the table and no Pac12 team lately has stacked up to Alabama just like no SEC team stacked up to USC a decade ago. But the top 4-5 Pac12 teams have far better QB's and could hang with any other SEC team.

Dude, everyone gets the SEC, ok? They have those big fast defenses, we get that. But when it comes to QB/receivers, it's all about the Pac12 as far as quantity of talent goes.

[Silver&Black]

Hell no they couldn't run the table and no Pac12 lately as stacked up to Alabama just like no SEC team stacked up to USC a decade ago. But the top 4-5 Pac12 teams have far better QB's and could hang with any other SEC team.

Alabama is good....damn good I'll admit. But you act like they're the only team winning the SEC/National Championship in those 10 years. LSU won...Auburn won...Florida won...and Alabama won.

When the Pac-12 won those National Championships with USC...it was USC and USC alone.

[Avante]

Alabama is good....damn good I'll admit. But you act like they're the only team winning the SEC/National Championship in those 10 years. LSU won...Auburn won...Florida won...and Alabama won.

When the Pac-12 won those National Championships with USC...it was USC and USC alone.

That's all good, but it doesn't change things. The Pac12 teams beat each other, which is my point.

Last season there's Oregon losing two games...Stanford and Arizona.

Stanford loses two games..Utah and USC.

UCLA loses three games...Oregon, Stanford, ASU

History is full of that sort of thing.

[Pelicans78]

Hell no they couldn't run the table and no Pac12 team lately has stacked up to Alabama just like no SEC team stacked up to USC a decade ago. But the top 4-5 Pac12 teams have far better QB's and could hang with any other SEC team.

Dude, everyone gets the SEC, ok? They have those big fast defenses, we get that. But when it comes to QB/receivers, it's all about the Pac12 as far as quantity of talent goes.

The SEC has as much skilled players if not more than the Pac-12. No debate about that. More skilled players come out of the South than anywhere else. The Pac-12 is nice and flashy, but they don't have the speed and power on both sides of the ball like the SEC. And the SEC has good QBs as well. Apparently you haven't been watchy.

I thought the Pac-12 would battle the SEC this year, but I was dead wrong. Hasn't been close.

[Pelicans78]

That's all good, but it doesn't change things. The Pac12 teams beat each other, which is my point.

Last season there's Oregon losing two games...Stanford and Arizona.

Stanford loses two games..Utah and USC.

UCLA loses three games...Oregon, Stanford, ASU

History is full of that sort of thing.

But those Oregon and Stanford teams have never been good enough to win championships. They couldn't compete with the 2000s USC or the other SEC teams which won it all.

[Avante]

The SEC has as much skilled players if not more than the Pac-12. No debate about that. More skilled players come out of the South than anywhere else. The Pac-12 is nice and flashy, but they don't have the speed and power on both sides of the ball like the SEC. And the SEC has good QBs as well. Apparently you haven't been watchy.

I thought the Pac-12 would battle the SEC this year, but I was dead wrong. Hasn't been close.

The SEC has the superior big guys but do not match the Pac12 when it comes to backs, receivers and QB's. I am talking NFL success there.

[Pelicans78]

The SEC has the superior big guys but do not match the Pac12 when it comes to backs, receivers and QB's. I am talking NFL success there.

In the past, maybe so, but let's talk about the last 10 years. Different story.

[Avante]

In the past, maybe so, but let's talk about the last 10 years. Different story.

Hows that?

What SEC young QB compares to Andrew Luck?

[Emily Rose]

:lmao Great defense on that final drive, USC.

[Avante]

More mighty than I thought.

Oregon is changing the way the college hame is played, it's taking big defensive lines out of the game. Those 300 pounders in a world of hurt vs that up tempo style. By the middle of the third quarter those opposing D's are beat.

So what does Ohio State do.....run tthe ball, slow the game down, not wanting to score quickly, I know that sounds weird but it's true. Play keep way.

[Avante]

Obviously if the Pac12 wins the most bowl games and Oregon that Championship belt, they are the best conference in the land.....right?

Since the Big12 had nobody in the final 4 they must be the worst of the Big 5....right?

THE PAC12 RULZ!!!!!!!!!

Remember it's all about the bowl games. Baylor sucks, they lost their bowl game, what a joke they are. USC would kick their ass. they won their bowl game.

Boise State would kick Oregon's ass, they beat the team that beat them in a bowl game.

[Clipper Nation]

Obviously if the Pac12 wins the most bowl games and Oregon that Championship belt, they are the best conference in the land.....right?

Since the Big12 had nobody in the final 4 they must be the worst of the Big 5....right?

THE PAC12 RULZ!!!!!!!!!
The "mighty" SEC has embarrassed themselves in the first year of an actually fair system, that's for sure.

[Avante]

The "mighty" SEC has embarrassed themselves in the first year of an actually fair system, that's for sure.

Yep, the conference was a fake all these years. Yep, we finally see the real SEC. The only thing that matters is this bowl season.

So it's the Pac12 that's really been the elite conference all these years, 2014 proves that. I knew that!

Forget the fact that Arizona can beat Oregon but not Boise State. That Air Force team must be great, they beat Boise St who beat Arizona who beat Oregon.

The Big10 is far better than the Big12, didn't Mich St beat Baylor, aren't the Buckeyes in the title game? What are the bowl records?

Obviously Michigan St woould beat TCU , they beat Baylor who beat TCU.

[Avante]

Like I said, the Pac12 is the best conference in the land, look at our 2014 bowl results, as we know nothing else matters. 5-1.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

West coast football the best in the land as we are seeing.

How could anyone disagree....5-1..IN 2014 BOWL GAMES!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

So to all you SEC/Big10/ACC/Big12 fans, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE PAC12 RULZ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best football in the land, west coast~~~~~~~~~

It took a west coast team to beat FSU.....:lobt2:

[Avante]

This is funny.....

You can't run down the SEC because of lack of bowl success and not give the Pac12 props for bowl success....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Remember....all that matters is 2014 bowl results, that says it all.

If Oregon wins and the conference wins the most 2014 bowls that will prove which conference is the best.....right?

[Pelicans78]

The SEC did really well in bowl games for years until this year.

The Pac-12 has been a close second the past two seasons.

[pgardn]

The PAc 12 is competitive in almost every sport.
And they keep some academic standards.
This is why UT was closer to joining this conference more than any other during the big shakeup.
Also the warmer weather sports.

[Avante]

The SEC did really well in bowl games for years until this year.

The Pac-12 has been a close second the past two seasons.

Yep, that's true.

With the Pac12 winning the Heisman, going 6-2 in bowl games and winning the National Championship, I think it's safe to say 2014 belonged to the Pac12.

[Avante]

What seperates the Pac12 from everyone else is QB play. Far more great Pac12 QB's than any other conference.

So it all comes down to the west coast and the midwest. What will the south/Texas be doing, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess they are left with....

See see the SEC sucks.
See see The Big12 sucks.

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Best QB...Pac12
Best running back....Big10

[Avante]

Just think Stanford/Cal alone have had more great QB's than all the Texas schools combined.

Cal

Aaron Rodgers
Craig Morton
Steve Bartkowski

Stanford

John Elway
Andrew Luck
John Brodie
Jim Plunkett

[Avante]

The Pac12 in the NFL playoffs?

Andrew Luck, Richard Sherman, Doug Baldwin, Coby Flenner...Stanford
Aaron Rodgers, Justin Forsett, Marshawn Lynch, Shane Vereen, C.J.Anderson...Cal
Gronk....Arizona
Lagarrette Blount, Jonathan Stewart, Haloti Ngata, T.J.Ward...Oregon
Clay Matthews, Rey Maualuga, Troy Palamalu...USC
Terrell Suggs, Vontaze Buefict...ASU
Markus Wheaton...Oregon St

[Avante]

yes, yes, pac 12 is the best overall football conference

welcome to late fall 2004

How about 2014?

Best bowl teams...6-2
Won the Heisman
Will win the National title

It's all about this season, right?

[Avante]

Let;s talk a little Oregon.

The school once ran footballers......

Jerry Tarr...Mike Gaecher....Mel Renfro...and non footballer Harry Jerome a Candain legend in the 4x1 relay, they set a world record. Which is rare for a college team, usually it takes a National team. All three of those footballers played in the NFL.

The school has always had a lot of speed, guys like Sammie Parker, Pat Johnson, DeAnthony Thomas, Latin Berry, Dino Philyaw, LaMichael James, JJ Birden, Amos Marsh...all ran track.

We'll see a dramatic difference in team speed when the Ducks take n Ohio St, it will jump off the tv screen at ya.

Just think if the Seahawks win another SB the Pacific NW will have both Champions.

[Avante]

pac 12 is the best

heisman is a joke after becoming back-to-back Freshman of the Year award

Tell that to the guys who have won one, good luck.

John David Crow is like 75, there it is doing commercials because he won a Heisman back in the 50's. Now think.

[Girasuck]

What seperates the Pac12 from everyone else is QB play.

Which makes what we did this year with pathetic QB play even more incredible. If we had even a middle of the road QB this year we're in the title hunt.

[Avante]

Which makes what we did this year with pathetic QB play even more incredible. If we had even a middle of the road QB this year we're in the title hunt.

Having 4 QB's ranked in the top 12 is pathetic?

[Avante]

So who out there has Ohio St beating Oregon? Let's see it now not after the game, ok?

[Avante]

Love talking the best conference in the land, the Pac12.

First 1000 yard rusher for the Chargers....Paul Lowe...Oregon St
Atlanta Falcons all time leading rusher.....Gerald Riggs....ASU
Cincinnati Bengals all time leading rusher....Corey Dillon...Washington
Denver Broncos all time leading passer...John Elway...Stanford
Best QB in the league today....Aaron Rodgers....Cal
Current Heisman winner...Marcus Mariota...Oregon
Cincinnati Bengals first 1000 yd rusher....Paul Robinson...Arizona
New England Patriots all time leading rusher....Sam Cunningham....USC
Cincinnati Bengals all time leading receiver....Chad Johnson...Oregon St
Oilers/Titans all time leading passer....Warren Moon....Washington
Jacksonville Jaguars all time leading passer...Mark Brunelll....WSU
San Diego Chargers all time leading passer...Dan Fouts...Oregon
St. Louis Rams all time leading rusher...Steven Jackson....Oregon St
Kansas City Chiefs all time leading receiver....Tony Gonzalez...Cal
Oakland Raiders all time leading rusher...Marcus Allen...USC
Dallas Cowboys all time leading passer....Troy Aikman...UCLA
Atlanta Falcons all time leading paser...Steve Bartkowski....Cal
Carolina Panthers all time leading receiver....Steve Smith...Utah

USC Heisman winners

Mike Garrett
Charles White
Marcus Allen
O.J.Simpson
Carson Palmer
Matt Lienart
Reggie Bush


Wow~~~~~~~

What conference has more Hall of Famers/Heisman winners?

[The Gemini Method]

Mark Brunell played his college ball in Seattle, WA at UW and not on the Paloose for Washington State.

[Girasuck]

Having 4 QB's ranked in the top 12 is pathetic?

The Utes had 4 QB's ranked in the top 12? Damn, that's news to me.

[NFO]

What conference has more Hall of Famers/Heisman winners?

I can give you a school or two that has more heismans than any Pac-12 school.

Are you sure the Pac-12 has the most heismans. It would be interesting to see your tally of heismans by conference.

[Pelicans78]

Steve Smith never played in the Pac-12. He's not a Pac-12 product.

[Avante]

Steve Smith never played in the Pac-12. He's not a Pac-12 product.

It wasn't real obvious what I was doing there?

[Avante]

The Ducks losing another receiver, not good.

I'm starting to doubt Oregon.

[Avante]

Once they lost another receiver and I started thinking about Urban Myer in big games I changed my mind on the game. So I grabbed that 6.5 and decided to make some $$$$$.

[cantthinkofanything]

Once they lost another receiver and I started thinking about Urban Myer in big games I changed my mind on the game. So I grabbed that 6.5 and decided to make some $$$$$.

After the ease with which FSU moved the ball on Oregon, I took OSU straight up at +165.

That being said, I was rooting for the Ducks so didn't put enough on the game to change who I wanted to win.

[Avante]

After the ease with which FSU moved the ball on Oregon, I took OSU straight up at +165.

That being said, I was rooting for the Ducks so didn't put enough on the game to change who I wanted to win.

I never play this stupid want one team to win but the other to cover, will never do that again. The first three quarters it;s score score Ohio State then it became...come on Oregon.....yep, stupid.

I did come around to thinking about the Urban Myer factor in the game. And that was really why I took the points. He was by far the better coach.

The thing about Ohio State is they are a young team.

[cantthinkofanything]

I never play this stupid want one team to win but the other to cover, will never do that again. The first three quarters it;s score score Ohio State then it became...come on Oregon.....yep, stupid.

I did come around to thinking about the Urban Myer factor in the game. And that was really why I took the points. He was by far the better coach.

The thing about Ohio State is they are a young team.

Money is money. The fact that I wanted the Ducks to win doesn't change the fact that I didn't think they would. Putting a few bucks on OSU offsets the marginal disappointment I have with the Ducks losing.

If I had felt strongly enough about the game to put big $ on it, then at that point, it's all about the money and rooting for the team I bet on.

[Blake]

Oh look. Another Avante curse thread.

[Pelicans78]

Still not the best conference.

[Avante]

Money is money. The fact that I wanted the Ducks to win doesn't change the fact that I didn't think they would. Putting a few bucks on OSU offsets the marginal disappointment I have with the Ducks losing.

If I had felt strongly enough about the game to put big $ on it, then at that point, it's all about the money and rooting for the team I bet on.

I hear ya, it is all about the $$$$$. It just sucks rooting on one team to win the other to cover. Will never play that again.

I was all over the Ducks early on, then as time went on I started thinking about Urban Myer in big games vs a guy not used to them. Then it hit me.....Oregon will be lucky if they win this game take the points. Losing two top receivers also helped.

[cantthinkofanything]

I hear ya, it is all about the $$$$$. It just sucks rooting on one team to win the other to cover. Will never play that again.


Yeah. It was a little tougher last night since I bet on OSU for the win. So there was no way for Oregon to win AND for me to make $ with OSU covering.
I don't ever bet on the Spurs to lose but I do often take the other team and the points which puts me in the position you mentioned above. But with the Spurs sometimes giving up double digit points, there's lot's of room to win both ways.