trade Jared Dudley and a first round pick for Carlos Delfino and Miroslav Raduljica

[spurraider21]

:lol det Bledsoe trade. they could have gotten so much more in hindsight

[Clipper Nation]

To be fair, the Clippers originally wanted to trade him for Afflalo but the Magic were demanding too much at the time.... plus, the Bledsoe trade isn't looking so great for the Suns either....

Regardless, fat fuck Dudley not wasting a roster spot anymore is awesome.... Delfino is the type of three-and-D guy we needed and Raduljica is a developing big with potential who can make free throws, get offensive boards and actually has a few post moves....

[spurraider21]

yeah, but you guys have essentially given up Bledsoe + a first for Redick + scrubs... when Bledsoe was the big asset

[Clipper Nation]

yeah, but you guys have essentially given up Bledsoe + a first for Redick + scrubs... when Bledsoe was the big asset
We would have lost him for nothing in free agency since he delusionally thinks he's worth the max, so there really was nothing much that could be done.... at least we got Redick out of it....

[Chinook]

We would have lost him for nothing in free agency since he delusionally thinks he's worth the max, so there really was nothing much that could be done.... at least we got Redick out of it....

And the Clips were able to avoid keeping Eric Gordon by insisting on holding onto Bledsoe in the Paul trade.

I just can't believe how far people's stocks have fallen over the last two or three years. Gordon, Bledsoe, Dudley. All seemed like incredible assets at the time. Now, they're either on new teams or in situations where their current teams are trying to get rid of them.

[ElNono]

Delfino has been hurt for a while now... hope he can come back. He's a solid player.

[djohn2oo8]

Delfino has been hurt for a while now... hope he can come back. He's a solid player.

Delfino is out for the year.

[Chinook]

^The hell was the point of the deal, then?

[ElNono]

Delfino is out for the year.

He was out for the season last season, but he's been working on his recovery. It's also possible the Clips might use the stretch provision on him and waive him. Then they would have room for another addition.

[ElNono]

More on that here:
http://fullyclips.com/2014/08/26/rumor-report-clippers-waive-carlos-delfino/

[djohn2oo8]

^The hell was the point of the deal, then?

Idk but Wojo tweeted it earlier.

[TD 21]

^The hell was the point of the deal, then?

To give them some flexibility. They were so close to the hard cap that they couldn't even add a 13th man. Neither Delfino or Raduljica are fully guaranteed for next season and apparently they won't even make it that far. Rumor has it both are going to be waived, with Douglas-Roberts and Udoh mentioned as possible replacements.

Only being able to carry 13 is never good, particularly for an injury prone team with championship aspirations. They're much better off in terms of big depth now, but the perimeter has the same, old issues. There's no starting SF and a serious lack of size, athleticism and defense on the wings in general.

[LkrFan]

To be fair, the Clippers originally wanted to trade him for Afflalo but the Magic were demanding too much at the time.... plus, the Bledsoe trade isn't looking so great for the Suns either....

Regardless, fat fuck Dudley not wasting a roster spot anymore is awesome.... Delfino is the type of three-and-D guy we needed and Raduljica is a developing big with potential who can make free throws, get offensive boards and actually has a few post moves....

Fuck all det shit. Are y'all getting out the 1st round this year? :downspin:

[Chinook]

To give them some flexibility. They were so close to the hard cap that they couldn't even add a 13th man. Neither Delfino or Raduljica are fully guaranteed for next season and apparently they won't even make it that far. Rumor has it both are going to be waived, with Douglas-Roberts and Udoh mentioned as possible replacements.

Thanks. God, it must suck to be a Clippers fan right now

[ElNono]

lol Dudley nailed to the tree of woe

[Chinook]

If Delfino missed a good chunk of last year, wouldn't insurance be covering his contract now? If so, the Clips would actually get a significant amount of flexibility. Although, I would have demanded Middleton if I were Los Angeles. They still need a half-way decent wing.

[ElNono]

If Delfino missed a good chunk of last year, wouldn't insurance be covering his contract now? If so, the Clips would actually get a significant amount of flexibility. Although, I would have demanded Middleton if I were Los Angeles. They still need a half-way decent wing.

He was injured when he was still a Rocket, before the current deal, but apparently had a recurrence of the injury and had to have another surgery. The Bucks apparently signed him even though they knew he was hurt (probably expecting a quick recovery), so I'm not sure the insurance is covering that. That said, the Bucks did obtain a Disabled Player Exception back in January since he was set to miss the rest of the season. He only has $3m guaranteed left in his deal, IIRC, so the Clips can certainly waive him.

[spurraider21]

if you add up the trades the past 2 offseasons the clips dealt the best player + a first rounder. i dont see how it can be spun into a positive

[Malik Hairston]

Dudley ends up as one of the most overhyped role players in recent history, tbh..

Forums/media was full of people hyping him up for the missing piece as a 3-D nigga on a potential contender, only for him to gain 30 pounds and completely fall off once he joined the Clippers:lol..

Some players just aren't meant to play for contenders, or just can't stop eating, tbh..

[cd021]

Only being able to carry 13 is never good, particularly for an injury prone team with championship aspirations. They're much better off in terms of big depth now, but the perimeter has the same, old issues. There's no starting SF and a serious lack of size, athleticism and defense on the wings in general.

This is the reason why the Clippers are farther behind the Spurs and Thunder and more vulnerable to "upsets" (Memphis, and GSW)

last two seasons their lack of production on at either forward spot has been pretty laughable, save for Blake Griffin and Matt Barnes (not so much this past season).

Danny Granger-12.6 P.E.R

Lamar Odom-10.9 P.E.R

Glen Davis-10.3 P.E.R

Jared Dudley-8.9 (Last 4 seasons in PHX he had an league average or above average P.E.R)

Hedo Turkogulu-7.9 P.E.R

Antawn Jamison-7.8 P.E.R

Byron Mullins-7.8 P.E.R

Stephen Jackson-0.1 P.E.R

As for their size only Barnes and Bullock are above 6'6. I like Barnes but he definitely isn't a starting SF and I don't trust him to check KD full time. He's also a mediocre 3pt shooter.

Reddicks a small 2 guard at 6'4 and Crawford isn't a great defender. I'd love to see the Spurs play them in the WCF (if either gets that far).

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah, we've been in dire need of a small forward basically since Maggette opted out and left, but Dudley clearly wasn't the answer.... problem is, we're up against the hard cap, and with Choke Paul being such a choking faggot come playoff time, ring-chasers like Marion who would be a perfect fit simply weren't going to risk taking less money to play with him....

[Chinook]

Dudley ends up as one of the most overhyped role players in recent history, tbh..

Forums/media was full of people hyping him up for the missing piece as a 3-D nigga on a potential contender, only for him to gain 30 pounds and completely fall off once he joined the Clippers:lol..

Some players just aren't meant to play for contenders, or just can't stop eating, tbh..

That's why Spurs fans shouldn't be so keen to low-ball Green next summer. Many players get the distinction of being three-and-D players, but only a few can do it at a championship level.

It's crazy that that is the best deal the Clips could get for Dudley, though. You'd think Philly would have taken him and the pick without Los Angeles having to owe $4.5 Million over the next two seasons.

[Chinook]

Seriously, the Pacers have an injury exception that would have allowed them to take back Dudley for free. You've gotta think LAC would have rather moved him there.

[cd021]

Yeah, we've been in dire need of a small forward basically since Maggette opted out and left, but Dudley clearly wasn't the answer.... problem is, we're up against the hard cap, and with Choke Paul being such a choking faggot come playoff time, ring-chasers like Marion who would be a perfect fit simply weren't going to risk taking less money to play with him....

Its probably going to get worse before its gets better at SF. Jordan is likely going to push the Clips into the luxury tax if they resign him. They could have a payroll as high as $85 million after next season. Adding that to no draft pick and no MLE along with Barnes turning 35 this season.

Maybe they consider moving Reddicks deal next.

[Chinook]

Its probably going to get worse before its gets better at SF. Jordan is likely going to push the Clips into the luxury tax if they resign him. They could have a payroll as high as $85 million after next season. Adding that to no draft pick and no MLE along with Barnes turning 35 this season.

Maybe they consider moving Reddicks deal next.

It won't be that bad. The Clips are hard-capped this year because they used the MLE for Hawes. Next year, they can use the mLE to sign a small-forward and Bird rights for Jordan. The issue they have is that they can't seem to draft a starting-quality wing. They've invested two picks over the last two years in such a player, but each time it was a questionable decision. They'll probably try to trade one or both of those guys for a more-proven player. But they may be gunshy now that they've screwed up with Dudley.

[TD 21]

Reddicks a small 2 guard at 6'4 and Crawford isn't a great defender.

The problem with those two is they're not big/strong enough to credibly play together in a lot of match-ups (but because they're their two best wings, they have to force it some), yet combined they eat up roughly $12M annually.

Don't be surprised if Crawford is either traded at the deadline or gone next off season. He already wants a new deal, probably a raise too and with their hole at SF and limited flexibility/assets, it doesn't make sense to give it to him.



Seriously, the Pacers have an injury exception that would have allowed them to take back Dudley for free. You've gotta think LAC would have rather moved him there.

The Pacers desperately need someone who can create their own shot though. This is why Beasley's name has been mentioned.

[Killakobe81]

And the Clips were able to avoid keeping Eric Gordon by insisting on holding onto Bledsoe in the Paul trade.

I just can't believe how far people's stocks have fallen over the last two or three years. Gordon, Bledsoe, Dudley. All seemed like incredible assets at the time. Now, they're either on new teams or in situations where their current teams are trying to get rid of them.

True story Bledsoe is the only one that still has any value left ...

[cd021]

It won't be that bad. The Clips are hard-capped this year because they used the MLE for Hawes. Next year, they can use the mLE to sign a small-forward and Bird rights for Jordan. The issue they have is that they can't seem to draft a starting-quality wing. They've invested two picks over the last two years in such a player, but each time it was a questionable decision. They'll probably try to trade one or both of those guys for a more-proven player. But they may be gunshy now that they've screwed up with Dudley.

They already have $67 million committed to 9 players for the 15-16 season, with Jordan resigning, it could push them to about 80 million depending on the deal. I guess they can still use the MLE but if the the luxury tax level rises to around $82 million (I just added another 7 percent to the current tax level) next season the hard cap would be $ 86 million for teams that use the MLE.

They would still need to fill at least 3 roster spots after resigning Jordan. It would be difficult to use it to sign one player, granted there really aren't many FA wings worth the full MLE and would still need to add 1-2 more players on minimum deals.

Jeff Green would be a upgrade over their recent SF but they don't have another 1st round pick to offer until 2016 (if I'm not mistaken they can't actually trade the rights to that pick though)

[Chinook]

They already have $67 million committed to 9 players for the 15-16 season, with Jordan resigning, it could push them to about 80 million depending on the deal. I guess they can still use the MLE but if the the luxury tax level rises to around $82 million (I just added another 7 percent to the current tax level) next season the hard cap would be $ 86 million for teams that use the MLE.

They would still need to fill at least 3 roster spots after resigning Jordan. It would be difficult to use it to sign one player, granted there really aren't many FA wings worth the full MLE and would still need to add 1-2 more players on minimum deals.

Jeff Green would be a upgrade over their recent SF but they don't have another 1st round pick to offer until 2016 (if I'm not mistaken they can't actually trade the rights to that pick though)

By "mLE", I meant the tax-payer's MLE. Trying out some shorthand. I think they'll be third in line after Danny Green next summer (behind SA and Cleveland and jostling for position with the NY teams) if they find a way to get the full MLE to use. But they'll likely try to secure someone like Middleton from the Bucks.

[Chinook]

By the by, Hollinger better be thanking his lucky stars that the Clips outbidded the Griz for Dudley. It was he who started inflating Jerrod's value in the first place.

[cd021]

The problem with those two is they're not big/strong enough to credibly play together in a lot of match-ups (but because they're their two best wings, they have to force it some), yet combined they eat up roughly $12M annually.

Don't be surprised if Crawford is either traded at the deadline or gone next off season. He already wants a new deal, probably a raise too and with their hole at SF and limited flexibility/assets, it doesn't make sense to give it to him.


The Pacers desperately need someone who can create their own shot though. This is why Beasley's name has been mentioned.

I think the Clips moving Crawford makes plenty of sense, especially if it helps to address their weakest position. Their lack of size could really get them in trouble against several teams in the west, especially a team like GSW with size galore with five wing players all at least 6'7.

An interesting trade idea:

Hawks Get

J.J Reddick
Jamal Crawford
Reggie Bullock

Clippers Get

Kyle Korver
DeMarre Carroll

The trade would work without Bullock as well. Korver is cheaper than Reddick and also also bigger (6'7) Carroll is on an expiring deal and wasn't half bad for the Hawks. A big SF at 6'8 and can play some small ball PF.

The Hawks depending on how competitive they are in the east ,could use Crawford's scoring punch off the bench with Reddick and Mike Scott taking over as starters along with Teague, Milsap and Horford.

Neither team would take on much salary going forward. The Hawks would have to payout a $1.3 and $1.5 million more, after next season, to Reddick than they would have had to with Korver, but the rising cap would more than off set that down the road. They can choose whether or not to keep Crawford after next season, who is on a team option.

[Chinook]

I think the Clips moving Crawford makes plenty of sense, especially if it helps to address their weakest position. Their lack of size could really get them in trouble against several teams in the west, especially a team like GSW with size galore with five wing players all at least 6'7.

An interesting trade idea:

Hawks Get

J.J Reddick
Jamal Crawford
Reggie Bullock

Clippers Get

Kyle Korver
DeMarre Carroll

The trade would work without Bullock as well. Korver is cheaper than Reddick and also also bigger (6'7) Carroll is on an expiring deal and wasn't half bad for the Hawks. A big SF at 6'8 and can play some small ball PF.

The Hawks depending on how competitive they are in the east ,could use Crawford's scoring punch off the bench with Reddick and Mike Scott taking over as starters along with Teague, Milsap and Horford.

Neither team would take on much salary going forward. The Hawks would have to payout a $1.3 and $1.5 million more, after next season, to Reddick than they would have had to with Korver, but the rising cap would more than off set that down the road. They can choose whether or not to keep Crawford after next season, who is on a team option.

LAC's SL would definitely be better balanced, but they would still not be any stronger over all than they are now. It would make more sense to me if they tried to move Bullock for Carroll straight up. Don't think the Hawks would do that, either. They probably want to do right by Korver, and they probably don't want Crawford back.

[Clipper Nation]

True story Bledsoe is the only one that still has any value left ...
Yet nobody is willing to trade for him and he's making unreasonable contract demands....

[Franklin]

Losing Crawford is gonna hurt monkeyball hard imho, they're left with literally no bench thanks to Crawford's departure.

[TD 21]

I think the Clips moving Crawford makes plenty of sense, especially if it helps to address their weakest position. Their lack of size could really get them in trouble against several teams in the west, especially a team like GSW with size galore with five wing players all at least 6'7.

An interesting trade idea:

Hawks Get

J.J Reddick
Jamal Crawford
Reggie Bullock

Clippers Get

Kyle Korver
DeMarre Carroll

The trade would work without Bullock as well. Korver is cheaper than Reddick and also also bigger (6'7) Carroll is on an expiring deal and wasn't half bad for the Hawks. A big SF at 6'8 and can play some small ball PF.

The Hawks depending on how competitive they are in the east ,could use Crawford's scoring punch off the bench with Reddick and Mike Scott taking over as starters along with Teague, Milsap and Horford.

Neither team would take on much salary going forward. The Hawks would have to payout a $1.3 and $1.5 million more, after next season, to Reddick than they would have had to with Korver, but the rising cap would more than off set that down the road. They can choose whether or not to keep Crawford after next season, who is on a team option.

Though the Hawks could desperately use a shot creator/scorer on the wings, they love Korver, so I doubt there's any chance they'd do this, even if Redick is similar.

Also, they've worked to add size and defense on the wings this off season and this would somewhat decimate that, leaving them with one SF sized wing in their rotation (despite the ESPN listing, Scott can't play SF). So the end result would be the same issue Redick/Crawford have with the Clippers. They'd be best on different teams.

For the Clippers, this would leave them short on ball handling/scoring. Ideally, they need to upgrade Barnes with a legit starting SF and sign a lesser Crawford to flesh out their wing rotation.