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Trill Clinton
08-27-2014, 10:45 AM
THE TRAGEDY OF WHITEWASHING HIP HOP
By Bomani JonesAUGUST 25, 2014

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It was good to see Nicki Minaj at the 2014 MTV Video Music Awards. Of course, she was riding shotgun on "Bang Bang," (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40wj_87xsIU) even though the video for "Anaconda" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs) has become an instant sensation. Minaj shared the stage with Ariana Grande and Jessie J. while Iggy Azalea—whose hit "Fancy" seems destined to be the "Ice Ice Baby" of the new millennium—hit the stage after quite an introduction from Jennifer Lopez, performed her hit "Black Widow," and left the stage to a rousing ovation that truly belonged to her.

This seemed to pick up where 2013 VMAs—the tribute to Brooklyn that fittingly seemed to ignore the people who were there before the hipsters showed up—left off. Last year's show was frightening to the informed observer. Rappers were few and far between, especially those who didn't fancy themselves as singers. The rapper du jour was Macklemore—who has good intentions but average music—the sort of hip hop star few could have dreamed possible 15 years ago. He didn’t have much edge, and he didn’t really have a gimmick. He was just a white guy who rapped, and his performance of “Same Love”—which has good intentions but average music—had the crowd at the Barclays Center downright transfixed. It wasn’t your dad’s hip hop, hell, was it hip hop at all?

Now we’re in 2014, further removed chronologically from Doggystyle (http://www.allmusic.com/album/doggystyle-mw0000106179) than it was from Parliament’s Mothership Connection (http://www.allmusic.com/album/mothership-connection-mw0000654692). The staying power of rap hasn’t been a discussion for 20 years, and some of its legends have been stars of stage and screen for 30. It has become so entrenched that it is truly impossible to imagine a world without it. But could you ever see a day when Snoop Dogg could host the VMAs but there seemed to be no place for a guy like him in stage?

Now, it’s not hard to imagine a world where rap was stripped of its blackness. Rap has long been analogous to rock and roll and jazz before it—a prevailing cultural force that gives shape and context to a historical era. And now, in the worst way, the analogy is continuing, with those most like its originators being pushed out of the limelight. When an aesthetic is divorced from anything essential, from any soul, it becomes little more than a sound. And that sounds bad for the future of black music.

Once it was clear rap was here to say, it seemed inconceivable that it could exist in the mainstream without black people. Sure, every black artform to that point had eventually become co-opted (http://www.wbez.org/blogs/bez/2012-10/blue-eyed-soul-co-opting-black-music-103212), but it seemed impossible for this one. Not only did its essence seem too strong to be diluted, but consumers demanded credibility, and that only came from a general co-sign from the people who created rap and those who personally identified with it. Hobbyists were appreciated—those albums weren’t going to buy themselves—but their opinions were only valued at the cash register.

Looking back, it sounds silly to think that could last forever. But rap seemed to be different from rock and jazz. Even if hip hop could be watered down and repackaged, few ever believed that music would be preferred. We’d seen the Beastie Boys, 3rd Bass and Eminem prove that hip hop could accept white stars. Vanilla Ice, the closest thing rap had to Pat Boone, was summarily dismissed by black listeners after being deemed an imposter (even if he went diamond along the way). The market demonstrated a preference for black rappers that it never did with rock and roll. In the late 1950s, the mainstream bypassed Chuck Berry and Little Richard for Elvis. Jazz had been co-opted to the point where bebop emerged as a response to it, but faking the funk seemed an easier task on a saxophone than the microphone. Hip hop didn’t just demonstrate mainstream viability with much unforgivable blackness on display. From the music to the fashion and art that surrounded it, blackness seemed to be one of the biggest part of its appeal.

As much as hip hop’s DNA is black, the music was urban from its origin. Its ability to evoke the pain of struggle and the temporary relief of celebration seemed to rely on an underlying strife, and living life black in America provided inexhaustible reservoirs of pain and exaltation. The expression of that hurt wasn’t always decent, but it had to be real. Faking was understandably distasteful to anyone who understood that being downtrodden was nothing to brag about. Express yourself however you choose, but the emphasis was placed on “self,” and the tastemakers of the genre had a keen eye for who didn’t mean what they said.

Fast forward to 2014, and Forbes went so far as to say Iggy Azalea, an Australian who does a bang-up impression of a Southern black rapper, “runs” hip hop. Forget that they’d say that about Azalea, whose first two singles hit No. 1 and has a co-sign from T.I., but is way too similar to the unquestionably unique Minaj to be seen as leading anything. Just consider the facts Forbes would consider a rapper worthy of its time and have the audacity to think it’s in position to make any bold declarations about rap music. Black faces weren’t just losing traction. Black opinion, too, was becoming irrelevant.

The mainstream forces that so often dismissed rap are less likely to do so now. It’s been in commercials since the ‘80s, but even the President will tell you he listens to rap from time to time. LL Cool J has become so mainstream that an entire generation has no idea he’s one of the greatest rappers of all-time. Hell, Ludacris was never a superstar but sits as a judge on Rising Star. Unless something changes on The Tonight Show, The Doc Severensen of the next generation will be ?uestlove.

But when Katy Perry can get spins on urban radio for her single with Juicy J—but no rapper can get a spot performing at the Grammys without backing a white artist—it’s impossible to deny what’s happening. The pop landscape still likes rap, but it no longer needs black artists to make it. Their services are appreciated, but they aren’t demanded. Their influence is obvious, but their input is unwelcome. They have “those people” who used to live in a neighborhood before the gentrifiers showed up and changed the name: welcome to stop by, but only when someone needs them for something.

One could argue this was tragically predictable in a country where integration has always occurred on an “as needed” basis. There are few dignified things that America has demonstrated it would rather see a white person do than a black one, if any white person anywhere would be up to the task.

The tragedy stands out, though. Rap, so often decried by so many critics, now only seems as legitimate in the mainstream with white faces in front. For all our talk of how hip hop bridged cultural gaps and helped foster racial reconciliation, it has now begun to look like art from eras we swore we'd moved beyond. What was so new and fresh and had so much potential now looks like everything else, and in the worst ways.

As music critic Stereo Williams (https://twitter.com/stereowilliams) has noted, rock never had black, worldwide stars before it became a sensation. There were great artists, but the world wasn’t on a first-name basis with any of them. There was no Run DMC or Public Enemy who introduced the world to the form. Their work was so easily co-opted—and, in some cases, stolen—because they were largely anonymous. Muddy Waters was no legend to most until Mick Jagger said so.

But we’ve had lots of black superstars in rap. We’ve lived long enough to see Jay-Z on the cover of Time, and colleges near and far where professors have found the work of Tupac Shakur to be worthy of academic inquiry. They did not have to wait for the reverence white artists who were influenced by them to give them historical relevance.

Now, contemporary relevance seems to come in service of someone else. Much of mainstream America now sees T.I. as the guy on Robin Thicke’s “Blurred Lines,” the sort of soul-influenced track that black artists can’t seem to get on the radio anymore. That’s the same song Thicke performed at the 2013 VMA’s with Miley Cyrus, who has shamelessly borrowed from hip hop culture without making any reciprocal contribution.

Perhaps the clearest and saddest metaphor for what’s happening is the latest installment of the “Swagger Wagon” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQ2sHyA9SI) ads for the Toyota Sienna. It has Busta Rhymes pouring his heart into a feature appearance on a track about a fucking minivan, where it’s hard to tell if the other “emcees” on the track are taking rap seriously or making fun of it in Busta’s face.

When Busta Rhymes can’t get top billing over a bunch of actors and a minivan, there’s nothing left to say.
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leemajors
08-27-2014, 10:50 AM
The VMA's are an important enough issue to write an article about?

Dirk Oneanddoneski
08-27-2014, 10:51 AM
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TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2014, 10:56 AM
THE TRAGEDY OF WHITEWASHING HIP HOP
By Bomani JonesAUGUST 25, 2014

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It was good to see Nicki Minaj at the 2014 MTV Video Music Awards. Of course, she was riding shotgun on "Bang Bang," (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40wj_87xsIU) even though the video for "Anaconda" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs) has become an instant sensation. Minaj shared the stage with Ariana Grande and Jessie J. while Iggy Azalea—whose hit "Fancy" seems destined to be the "Ice Ice Baby" of the new millennium—hit the stage after quite an introduction from Jennifer Lopez, performed her hit "Black Widow," and left the stage to a rousing ovation that truly belonged to her.

This seemed to pick up where 2013 VMAs—the tribute to Brooklyn that fittingly seemed to ignore the people who were there before the hipsters showed up—left off. Last year's show was frightening to the informed observer. Rappers were few and far between, especially those who didn't fancy themselves as singers. The rapper du jour was Macklemore—who has good intentions but average music—the sort of hip hop star few could have dreamed possible 15 years ago. He didn’t have much edge, and he didn’t really have a gimmick. He was just a white guy who rapped, and his performance of “Same Love”—which has good intentions but average music—had the crowd at the Barclays Center downright transfixed. It wasn’t your dad’s hip hop, hell, was it hip hop at all?

Now we’re in 2014, further removed chronologically from Doggystyle (http://www.allmusic.com/album/doggystyle-mw0000106179) than it was from Parliament’s Mothership Connection (http://www.allmusic.com/album/mothership-connection-mw0000654692). The staying power of rap hasn’t been a discussion for 20 years, and some of its legends have been stars of stage and screen for 30. It has become so entrenched that it is truly impossible to imagine a world without it. But could you ever see a day when Snoop Dogg could host the VMAs but there seemed to be no place for a guy like him in stage?

Now, it’s not hard to imagine a world where rap was stripped of its blackness. Rap has long been analogous to rock and roll and jazz before it—a prevailing cultural force that gives shape and context to a historical era. And now, in the worst way, the analogy is continuing, with those most like its originators being pushed out of the limelight. When an aesthetic is divorced from anything essential, from any soul, it becomes little more than a sound. And that sounds bad for the future of black music.

Once it was clear rap was here to say, it seemed inconceivable that it could exist in the mainstream without black people. Sure, every black artform to that point had eventually become co-opted (http://www.wbez.org/blogs/bez/2012-10/blue-eyed-soul-co-opting-black-music-103212), but it seemed impossible for this one. Not only did its essence seem too strong to be diluted, but consumers demanded credibility, and that only came from a general co-sign from the people who created rap and those who personally identified with it. Hobbyists were appreciated—those albums weren’t going to buy themselves—but their opinions were only valued at the cash register.

Looking back, it sounds silly to think that could last forever. But rap seemed to be different from rock and jazz. Even if hip hop could be watered down and repackaged, few ever believed that music would be preferred. We’d seen the Beastie Boys, 3rd Bass and Eminem prove that hip hop could accept white stars. Vanilla Ice, the closest thing rap had to Pat Boone, was summarily dismissed by black listeners after being deemed an imposter (even if he went diamond along the way). The market demonstrated a preference for black rappers that it never did with rock and roll. In the late 1950s, the mainstream bypassed Chuck Berry and Little Richard for Elvis. Jazz had been co-opted to the point where bebop emerged as a response to it, but faking the funk seemed an easier task on a saxophone than the microphone. Hip hop didn’t just demonstrate mainstream viability with much unforgivable blackness on display. From the music to the fashion and art that surrounded it, blackness seemed to be one of the biggest part of its appeal.

As much as hip hop’s DNA is black, the music was urban from its origin. Its ability to evoke the pain of struggle and the temporary relief of celebration seemed to rely on an underlying strife, and living life black in America provided inexhaustible reservoirs of pain and exaltation. The expression of that hurt wasn’t always decent, but it had to be real. Faking was understandably distasteful to anyone who understood that being downtrodden was nothing to brag about. Express yourself however you choose, but the emphasis was placed on “self,” and the tastemakers of the genre had a keen eye for who didn’t mean what they said.

Fast forward to 2014, and Forbes went so far as to say Iggy Azalea, an Australian who does a bang-up impression of a Southern black rapper, “runs” hip hop. Forget that they’d say that about Azalea, whose first two singles hit No. 1 and has a co-sign from T.I., but is way too similar to the unquestionably unique Minaj to be seen as leading anything. Just consider the facts Forbes would consider a rapper worthy of its time and have the audacity to think it’s in position to make any bold declarations about rap music. Black faces weren’t just losing traction. Black opinion, too, was becoming irrelevant.

The mainstream forces that so often dismissed rap are less likely to do so now. It’s been in commercials since the ‘80s, but even the President will tell you he listens to rap from time to time. LL Cool J has become so mainstream that an entire generation has no idea he’s one of the greatest rappers of all-time. Hell, Ludacris was never a superstar but sits as a judge on Rising Star. Unless something changes on The Tonight Show, The Doc Severensen of the next generation will be ?uestlove.

But when Katy Perry can get spins on urban radio for her single with Juicy J—but no rapper can get a spot performing at the Grammys without backing a white artist—it’s impossible to deny what’s happening. The pop landscape still likes rap, but it no longer needs black artists to make it. Their services are appreciated, but they aren’t demanded. Their influence is obvious, but their input is unwelcome. They have “those people” who used to live in a neighborhood before the gentrifiers showed up and changed the name: welcome to stop by, but only when someone needs them for something.

One could argue this was tragically predictable in a country where integration has always occurred on an “as needed” basis. There are few dignified things that America has demonstrated it would rather see a white person do than a black one, if any white person anywhere would be up to the task.

The tragedy stands out, though. Rap, so often decried by so many critics, now only seems as legitimate in the mainstream with white faces in front. For all our talk of how hip hop bridged cultural gaps and helped foster racial reconciliation, it has now begun to look like art from eras we swore we'd moved beyond. What was so new and fresh and had so much potential now looks like everything else, and in the worst ways.

As music critic Stereo Williams (https://twitter.com/stereowilliams) has noted, rock never had black, worldwide stars before it became a sensation. There were great artists, but the world wasn’t on a first-name basis with any of them. There was no Run DMC or Public Enemy who introduced the world to the form. Their work was so easily co-opted—and, in some cases, stolen—because they were largely anonymous. Muddy Waters was no legend to most until Mick Jagger said so.

But we’ve had lots of black superstars in rap. We’ve lived long enough to see Jay-Z on the cover of Time, and colleges near and far where professors have found the work of Tupac Shakur to be worthy of academic inquiry. They did not have to wait for the reverence white artists who were influenced by them to give them historical relevance.

Now, contemporary relevance seems to come in service of someone else. Much of mainstream America now sees T.I. as the guy on Robin Thicke’s “Blurred Lines,” the sort of soul-influenced track that black artists can’t seem to get on the radio anymore. That’s the same song Thicke performed at the 2013 VMA’s with Miley Cyrus, who has shamelessly borrowed from hip hop culture without making any reciprocal contribution.

Perhaps the clearest and saddest metaphor for what’s happening is the latest installment of the “Swagger Wagon” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQ2sHyA9SI) ads for the Toyota Sienna. It has Busta Rhymes pouring his heart into a feature appearance on a track about a fucking minivan, where it’s hard to tell if the other “emcees” on the track are taking rap seriously or making fun of it in Busta’s face.

When Busta Rhymes can’t get top billing over a bunch of actors and a minivan, there’s nothing left to say.
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Hiphop is alive and well. The author's problem is he watches the VMA's and judges the state of hiphop off of mainstream garbage.

Trill Clinton
08-27-2014, 11:00 AM
Hiphop is alive and well. The author's problem is he watches the VMA's and judges the state of hiphop off of mainstream garbage.

nah, hip hop is dying thanks to the culture vultures.

TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2014, 11:07 AM
nah, hip hop is dying thanks to the culture vultures.


Nahhhh

Y1fZH0s_5L8

Chris
08-27-2014, 11:25 AM
Hip hop is still alive, you're just not going to hear it on the radio. Bomani is on to something, but he's only really scratched the surface. You want to make it in the music industry, you're going to have to sign some contracts.

Trainwreck2100
08-27-2014, 11:34 AM
To
nah, hip hop is dying thanks to the culture vultures.

Nicki minaj is black and shes as big a reason as the whites

Trill Clinton
08-27-2014, 11:37 AM
Hip hop is still alive, you're just not going to hear it on the radio. Bomani is on to something, but he's only really scratched the surface. You want to make it in the music industry, you're going to have to sign some contracts.


yes its alive but its a dying art. its going to end up like rock and jazz. once the mainstream and culture vultures got ahold of it, it was a wrap. i am looking forward to seeing what nas does with his record label. he has a nice lineup of artists so far.

vy65
08-27-2014, 11:47 AM
Missing the old days when rap was about robbing, raping, and murdering eh?

Chris
08-27-2014, 12:10 PM
Missing the old days when rap was about robbing, raping, and murdering eh?

Once again, that was mainstream shit. Hip hop at its source is prose and poetry with a beat. The worst kinds of hip hop will always be at the top of the charts until the industry changes.

hehateme
08-27-2014, 12:12 PM
Big Smo called...said he would like his VMA award for best hip hop/pop/rock/country collaboration.

Trill definitely has a point but aren't you the same fool who likes Drake? When shit like that stops being categorized as rap then maybe, just maybe there's a chance for it to come back. Until then enjoy your Iggy assimplantszalea

baseline bum
08-27-2014, 12:14 PM
Who is the modern KRS, the modern Rakim? Is there anyone with Ice-T's lyrical skills? Fucc hip hop ever since niggas started singing that shit in the late 90s.

vy65
08-27-2014, 12:17 PM
Once again, that was mainstream shit. Hip hop at its source is prose and poetry with a beat. The worst kinds of hip hop will always be at the top of the charts until the industry changes.

Not a fan of albums like Ready to Die?

baseline bum
08-27-2014, 12:19 PM
Not a fan of albums like Ready to Die?

Shit was tight when Biggie capped them two niggas breaking into his house on Warning.

vy65
08-27-2014, 12:19 PM
I always liked gimme da loot

Trill Clinton
08-27-2014, 12:20 PM
Missing the old days when rap was about robbing, raping, and murdering eh?

you're not too bright are ya, slugger?

vy65
08-27-2014, 12:23 PM
you're not too bright are ya, slugger?

Sorry, was that an answer slugger?

Trill Clinton
08-27-2014, 12:27 PM
Big Smo called...said he would like his VMA award for best hip hop/pop/rock/country collaboration.

Trill definitely has a point but aren't you the same fool who likes Drake? When shit like that stops being categorized as rap then maybe, just maybe there's a chance for it to come back. Until then enjoy your Iggy assimplantszalea


yea i like drake but i also like cormega, killer mike, scarface, zro and dead prez. a lot of hip hop legengs gave drake the cosign so he's official. drake also isn't the first rapper to mix singing with rapping...and he can actually spit. it be different if he was making a mockery by rapping about thrift shop clothes.

nobody gave maclemore that cosign. macklemore going platinume and winning best rap album was a slap in the face to the genre.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2j-BKrvXNE

leemajors
08-27-2014, 12:32 PM
yea i like drake but i also like cormega, killer mike, scarface, zro and dead prez. a lot of hip hop legengs gave drake the cosign so he's official. drake also isn't the first rapper to mix singing with rapping...and he can actually spit. it be different if he was making a mockery by rapping about thrift shop clothes.

nobody gave maclemore that cosign. macklemore going platinume and winning best rap album was a slap in the face to the genre.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2j-BKrvXNE

Why do these awards mean anything to you? Seriously.

TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2014, 12:32 PM
yea i like drake but i also like cormega, killer mike, scarface, zro and dead prez. a lot of hip hop legengs gave drake the cosign so he's official. drake also isn't the first rapper to mix singing with rapping...and he can actually spit. it be different if he was making a mockery by rapping about thrift shop clothes.

nobody gave maclemore that cosign. macklemore going platinume and winning best rap album was a slap in the face to the genre.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2j-BKrvXNE

Not a Macklemore fan but give me a fucking break. He is miles ahead of Drake lyrically.

Malik Hairston
08-27-2014, 12:42 PM
I mentioned this in the Iggy Azalea thread last month, tbh, Bomani has been schooling everybody on this of a minute..

Iggy Azalea is a mockery, she spits in the face of Black people every time she performs or releases a single..she's a White, Australian jeans model that has utilized a gimmick where she portrays a Southern Black ghetto woman, yet she has taken over mainstream hip-hop..

This isn't Eminem, where he was a typical wigger, but clearly wasn't mocking Black culture(not to mention Eminem was historically talented)..

Macklemore isn't a mockery of Blacks, he's just a really, really shitty rapper that should be insulting to music fans of all kinds..

Malik Hairston
08-27-2014, 12:43 PM
In before White rap fans that enjoy shitty music like Immortal Technique and Jedi Mind Tricks, btw:lol..

apalisoc_9
08-27-2014, 12:51 PM
Agree tbh..

Not only is hip hop white washed, it's also being used nowadys to spur subtle mockery on black people..I don't give a fuck about the mockey, but it's annoying and is killing good music. SMH

Trill Clinton
08-27-2014, 12:51 PM
Why do these awards mean anything to you? Seriously.

they don't mean anything to me but they speak volumes of whats happening to the art. a lot of people were disappointed maclemore won a grammy for best hip hop album, not just me.


Not a Macklemore fan but give me a fucking break. He is miles ahead of Drake lyrically.

you're out of your mind.

leemajors
08-27-2014, 12:54 PM
they don't mean anything to me but they speak volumes of whats happening to the art. a lot of people were disappointed maclemore won a grammy for best hip hop album, not just me.



you're out of your mind.

Fair enough, but I am still able to find stuff I like to listen to. I was turned off to award shows over a decade ago and don't even bother now. I've never heard a maclemore song and don't really care to tbh

vy65
08-27-2014, 01:00 PM
Hard to complain about this shit when RZA does a season of Californication as Samurai Apocalypse

Trill Clinton
08-27-2014, 01:03 PM
lord jamar kicking knowledge


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAfpx_EzBRs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYGs4nP4Lvk



iggy on sway. so damn embarrassing. he asks her to spit a freestyle and she looked at him like he was asking her for a million dollars. this is rap in 2014http://i61.tinypic.com/263hw2a.png



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baqu9I9_pUk

Malik Hairston
08-27-2014, 01:04 PM
The point of this thread is lost to most people, tbh..

Of course you can find "real hip-hop" if you seek it, it's 2014, you can find anything you want and you can follow any type of media you desire..there's an abundance of outlets nowadays..

However, that doesn't justify the fact that mainstream rap, which is the primary rap music fed to the masses, is openly mocking and shitting on Black culture, tbh..

We're supposed to fall back while Iggy Azalea makes millions from using a fake accent and fake image that mocks Black women, just because I can download the new RZA album online?..

apalisoc_9
08-27-2014, 01:06 PM
The point of this thread is lost to most people, tbh..

Of course you can find "real hip-hop" if you seek it, it's 2014, you can find anything you want and you can follow any type of media you desire..there's an abundance of outlets nowadays..

However, that doesn't justify the fact that mainstream rap, which is the primary rap music fed to the masses, is openly mocking and shitting on Black culture, tbh..

Blame the coons!!!

TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2014, 01:14 PM
AKTrClmPhxo

still alive and kicking

leemajors
08-27-2014, 01:21 PM
The point of this thread is lost to most people, tbh..

Of course you can find "real hip-hop" if you seek it, it's 2014, you can find anything you want and you can follow any type of media you desire..there's an abundance of outlets nowadays..

However, that doesn't justify the fact that mainstream rap, which is the primary rap music fed to the masses, is openly mocking and shitting on Black culture, tbh..

We're supposed to fall back while Iggy Azalea makes millions from using a fake accent and fake image that mocks Black women, just because I can download the new RZA album online?..

I don't think it is, but pretending Bomani discovered something new with this article is pretty funny. Record companies have capitalized on this shit for ages.

TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2014, 01:25 PM
The point of this thread is lost to most people, tbh..

Of course you can find "real hip-hop" if you seek it, it's 2014, you can find anything you want and you can follow any type of media you desire..there's an abundance of outlets nowadays..

However, that doesn't justify the fact that mainstream rap, which is the primary rap music fed to the masses, is openly mocking and shitting on Black culture, tbh..

We're supposed to fall back while Iggy Azalea makes millions from using a fake accent and fake image that mocks Black women, just because I can download the new RZA album online?..

Count me in then as one who missed the point of this thread. The last good mainstream to me was the days of WuTang/Redman/Westside Connect/Kurupt etc. The late 90's early 2000s. After that music was available at your own disposal online so the mainstream became obsolete to me.

vy65
08-27-2014, 01:37 PM
What about these guys? Legit hip hop or more white co-option?

8Uee_mcxvrw

baseline bum
08-27-2014, 02:15 PM
The point of this thread is lost to most people, tbh..

Of course you can find "real hip-hop" if you seek it, it's 2014, you can find anything you want and you can follow any type of media you desire..there's an abundance of outlets nowadays..

However, that doesn't justify the fact that mainstream rap, which is the primary rap music fed to the masses, is openly mocking and shitting on Black culture, tbh..

We're supposed to fall back while Iggy Azalea makes millions from using a fake accent and fake image that mocks Black women, just because I can download the new RZA album online?..

Wow.

O-zpOMYRi0w

That has to be the worst pop act in the history of civilization. I'll take shitty beener rap like Pitbull in a second over this mudshark tbh

SnakeBoy
08-27-2014, 02:30 PM
What about these guys? Legit hip hop or more white co-option?

8Uee_mcxvrw

That's definitely some legit shit.

hehateme
08-27-2014, 02:31 PM
What about these guys? Legit hip hop or more white co-option?

8Uee_mcxvrw

Those crazy white fuckers from South Africa make rednecks look tame.

DarrinS
08-30-2014, 01:15 PM
http://youtu.be/iq_d8VSM0nw

DMC
08-30-2014, 01:30 PM
I'd venture a guess that when your culture stops shooting each other at the VMA parties, you guys might be invited inside.

DPG21920
08-30-2014, 01:31 PM
Bomani has turned into a bit of a whiner. This is the most pointless article ever. Also loses a ton of credibility when he infers Nicki Minaj is some superstar hip-hop personality with great quality that due to racism has to take a back seat.

DMC
08-30-2014, 01:31 PM
lord jamar kicking knowledge


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAfpx_EzBRs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYGs4nP4Lvk



iggy on sway. so damn embarrassing. he asks her to spit a freestyle and she looked at him like he was asking her for a million dollars. this is rap in 2014http://i61.tinypic.com/263hw2a.png



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baqu9I9_pUk


I don't see "knowledge" when I look at that dude. I see "uneducated".

The Reckoning
08-30-2014, 01:33 PM
lol

DJR210
08-30-2014, 04:15 PM
nah, hip hop is dying thanks to the culture vultures.

Hip Hop/Rap ain't dying, not slowing down, nothing. You have trash on mainstream media, and then you have underground. If you are serious about rap, you only listen to what's underground anyway. Mainstream radio garbage is in its own shitty category.

m>s
08-30-2014, 04:56 PM
Trust me there was ever anything to destroy, all rap ever was is a bunch of no talent, emo negros bitching about whitey. If you actually are black and want to look up to someone listen to blues, jazz, jimmy Hendrix or something

Huey Freeman
08-30-2014, 04:56 PM
Hip Hop/Rap ain't dying, not slowing down, nothing. You have trash on mainstream media, and then you have underground. If you are serious about rap, you only listen to what's underground anyway. Mainstream radio garbage is in its own shitty category.

See post #29 tbh

Huey Freeman
08-30-2014, 05:00 PM
Trust me there was ever anything to destroy, all rap ever was is a bunch of no talent, emo negros bitching about whitey. If you actually are black and want to look up to someone listen to blues, jazz, jimmy Hendrix or something

Ok

DJR210
08-30-2014, 05:00 PM
See post #29 tbh

Yup, spot on. I saw that video of her on Sway, and she's talking with some hint of a foreign accent, but as soon as she starts that garbage ass "rap" she sounds black. Just another reason why the Lakers suck, fuck her and Nick Young.

Huey Freeman
08-30-2014, 05:09 PM
As much as i applaud the article, Bomoni is missing the true reason why the art form is indeed dying in the mainstream

T.I. signed Iggy
No body made Busta do that Minivan commercial

Hip Hop is not dying of natural causes (like the article suggested). Hip Hop is holding its own gun in its mouth. The trigger hasn't been pulled, but the gun has been cocked. They complain about Iggy mocking black woman, and I agree, but it was T.I. who gave a mic to do it.

My point is, Hip Hop is becoming less influenced by black urban culture, but it was black urban culture that pushed it way. Why complain about the outcome now?

Clipper Nation
08-30-2014, 06:37 PM
nah, hip hop is dying thanks to the culture vultures.
More like thanks to Drake :lol

koriwhat
08-31-2014, 06:36 PM
Boosie! Everyone else today can suck a dick!