Russia has invaded the Ukraine, and begun cyber attacks on US

[RandomGuy]

Getting a bit hard to deny they haven't had their military there, given the capture of Gaurds Air Assault troopers and body bags coming back:

http://news.yahoo.com/families-russian-troops-ukraine-want-answers-192648214.html

I have identified out of the news reports the two Russian paratroop units that the dead (76th) and captured (98th) were from.

Paratroops are trained to operate behind enemy lines.

NATO estimates 1,000, and that seems to be about the order of magnitude. It is quite possibly more.
http://news.yahoo.com/putin-hails-ukraine-separatists-nato-holds-crisis-talks-092608186.html


Ukraine is now directly requesting NATO membership.
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-seeks-nato-membership-response-russia-joining-war-122922067.html

Russia's hackers have likely started probing major US financial institutions, what I expect to be an opening round:
http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-probing-cyber-attack-u-major-banks-141129446.html;_ylt=AwrBEiJ25wBUsy4AYhPQtDMD

More US sanctions are certain, and Putin shows no signs of backing off.

LAKE SELIGER Russia (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Friday Russia's armed forces, backed by its nuclear arsenal, were ready to meet any aggression, declaring at a pro-Kremlin youth camp that foreign states should understand: "It's best not to mess with us."


Fuck Russia, IMO. Rachet up the sanctions, pull the oil majors out of their pissant piece of shit country and let them try to prop up their kleptocracy with declining oil output.

I would not wait much longer to start providing predator drones with anti-tank weapons to the Ukranian military, either.

Putin wants to push, he needs to be pushed back, hard.

[boutons_deux]

GE, BlackRock Implicated In Elusive Russian Investment Fund

As President Barack Obama warns of stepped-up economic punishments against Russia for its military incursions inside Ukraine, U.S. sanctions have so far avoided one prominent financial institution: the $10 billion Russian Direct Investment Fund, which has partnered with brand-name American companies and whose advisers include top U.S. and European private equity executives.

Despite its ties to Russian state businesses and officials, the Russian Direct Investment Fund has managed to operate unaffected by the sanctions imposed by the U.S. and EU in response to Russian President Vladimir Putin's military actions in Ukraine. The Ukrainian government said Russian troops invaded southeastern Ukraine on Thursday with two columns of tanks and military vehicles.

The fund has been working to help replace Western investors in Russia with money from Asia and the Middle East. In one recent deal, the fund and its partners paid $700 million to a Russian petrochemical company that is partially owned by a sanctioned Russian businessman. The fund's head, Kirill Dmitriev, told the Associated Press that the company with which it did the deal, Sibur, has not been targeted by sanctions but otherwise declined to discuss fund investments.

Along with its team of Russian managers, the fund's international advisory board includes private equity executives Stephen Schwarzman of The Blackstone Group LP, Leon Black of Apollo Global Management LLC and David Bonderman of TPG Capital LP.

The fund has so far escaped the effects from sanctions because it has not been explicitly targeted. The situation illustrates the Obama administration's struggle to achieve conflicting goals — punishing Putin's circle without damaging American companies doing business in Russia.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/general-electric-blackrock-implicated-in-elusive-russian-investment-fund-that-dodges-sanctions-senate-crackdown?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[mingus]

NATO military capability >>>>> Russia.

Why the fuck do we invest so much damn money in the military if we're not going to apply it. I'm not advocating war, but sitting back with a thumb up our ass while a country that has sought NATO membership is getting invaded is just dumb. Put this Russian bitch in his place.

[m>s]

Yeah hur dur let's overthrow ukraines elected president, then when the eastern half of the country and russian speakers outside of Kiev, not to mention Russia, don't like it well just start nuclear war!

Armchair general willing to risk lives because you're powerless in the real world. Yeah fuck Russia! Let's forgot Roosevelt and all of America sucking stalins dick circa 1945..oh and remember that saddam guy who was our friend at one point? We sure showed him! Just face it dude your precious America is just a whore for Jewish financial interests, you're the whore and Israel the pimp.

and we don't have to wait for ww3 to get it going you fucking cuck, I'll be in Austin soon we can do it right now

[boutons_deux]

US taxpayers have already burned up $500M in Iraq since June on surveillance, training/advising, bombing ISIS.

US can't win. It's their country, they will outwait the infidel invaders, just like in Afghanistan, Iraq, Viet Nam. USA, folly, hubris, megalomania of Empire.

[Cry Havoc]

NATO military capability >>>>> Russia.

Why the fuck do we invest so much damn money in the military if we're not going to apply it. I'm not advocating war, but sitting back with a thumb up our ass while a country that has sought NATO membership is getting invaded is just dumb. Put this Russian bitch in his place.

WWII all over again. Power hungry dictator demanding more land and power for his country, everyone else just attempting to placate them. This could escalate beyond anything we have seen since WWII. This has to be the most tenuous moment in the world since the Cuban missile crisis. Terrifying.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

The rat faced Jews are salivating over a new war between whites and the shekels they'll make off it

[SnakeBoy]

This is fun to watch again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg

[m>s]

WWII all over again. Power hungry dictator demanding more land and power for his country, everyone else just attempting to placate them. This could escalate beyond anything we have seen since WWII. This has to be the most tenuous moment in the world since the Cuban missile crisis. Terrifying.
horseshit cuck. the CIA needs to stay the fuck out of russia and its surrounding countries.

[m>s]

The rat faced Jews are salivating over a new war between whites and the shekels they'll make off it
need to speak loud and derail their plans comrade. the next war in europe won't be white vs white, we're going to kill every fucking shitskin and hang them by their toes.

[The Reckoning]

mccainostradamus tbh


i'll be the first to put on my GI Joe boxers and woop some mongoloid ass

[m>s]

you'll be chewed up and spit out by superior russian infantry. this isn't call of duty you little punk, you don't have the balls to fight in a real fight.

[The Reckoning]

i take on real fights for the adrenaline rush. the thrill that whatever meets the end of my fist or bullet represents the shit stained world we live in. i relish the opportunity to destroy something, especially if it's some mongoloid trash of who my grandfathers told stories of how their only life's regret is that they didn't finish the job with a bayonet in their throat. step aside little yuppy dallas nazi boy and let the real men do the fighting.

[ElNono]

crofl cyber attack boogeyman

[Infinite_limit]

PUTIN 2016

[Cry Havoc]

horseshit cuck. the CIA needs to stay the fuck out of russia and its surrounding countries.

http://www.realclearworld.com/blog/angrygandhi.jpg

[cheguevara]

:lmao the ruskies are coming :lol

:lol scaremongers

[cheguevara]

This is fun to watch again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg

:lmao

[boutons_deux]

Putin Urges ‘Statehood’ Talks for Eastern Ukraine

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/01/world/europe/ukraine.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

[m>s]

the demonization campaign is full steam ahead. first you have to destroy their character so that you can justify destroying them militarily .

[cheguevara]

Obama Buddin and Kerry employing W Bush tactic of lie lie lie until that lie is taken as a truth. Despicable

[boutons_deux]

Ted Cruz: ‘Kitty cat’ Obama should be more like ‘Russian bear’ Putin

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/01/ted-cruz-kitty-cat-obama-should-be-more-like-russian-bear-putin/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Nothing specific about what President Krazy Fucking Kruz, thanks TX bubbas!, would do, just typical cheap shots, slander, insults as rotten red meat for the easily rousable TX rabble.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Obama Buddin and Kerry employing W Bush tactic of lie lie lie until that lie is taken as a truth. Despicable


Is this supposed to be funny? you parrot the russian staterun tv.

[cheguevara]

Is this supposed to be funny? you parrot the russian staterun tv.

oh they said that? they are right. Anyone with common sense would conclude this.

what happened to the rhetoric that Russians shot down the Commercial Airliner? :lol

[Wild Cobra]

LOL...

"Kitty Cat" Obama...

That's all wrong. Obama is a pussy, but he doesn't have fangs or claws like a cat.

He's just a pussy.

[boutons_deux]

LOL...

"Kitty Cat" Obama...

That's all wrong. Obama is a pussy, but he doesn't have fangs or claws like a cat.

He's just a pussy.

Can Mild Cobra break the ST right wing dickless peanut gallery's silence as to how their imaginary Repug President, eg Pres RickyBobby or Pres Krazy Kruz, would out macho-man Vladdy?

[xeromass]

Russian military column inside Ukraine, location confirmed:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMmNHZetNn0

at least:
13 T-72BM main battle tanks
42 BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles
6 MT-LB armored personnel carries
31 troop carrying trucks
15 fuel trucks
regimental headquarters
armored ambulances
engineering vehicles

http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/02/the-smoking-gun-russian-column-confirmed-in-krasnodon/

[RandomGuy]

crofl cyber attack boogeyman

The Russians have had this capability for a while now, and employed such during its confrontations with the prior smaller countries that they invaded.

The initial probe was, in my opinion, likely to simply be a statement of "look what we can do", more than any real attempt at damage.

If you wish more information on current Russian estimated capabilities or, for that matter, that of China's, I will be happy to oblige.

You may also find the Pentagon's own professional assessments of the threat useful, as they have much more expertise than I do.

I realize it is incumbent on me to provide the proof, and I can if you wish, or you could do a bit of digging.

The threat is far more real than you appear prepared to accept.

[RandomGuy]

Yeah hur dur let's overthrow ukraines elected president, then when the eastern half of the country and russian speakers outside of Kiev, not to mention Russia, don't like it well just start nuclear war!

Armchair general willing to risk lives because you're powerless in the real world. Yeah fuck Russia! Let's forgot Roosevelt and all of America sucking stalins dick circa 1945..oh and remember that saddam guy who was our friend at one point? We sure showed him! Just face it dude your precious America is just a whore for Jewish financial interests, you're the whore and Israel the pimp.

and we don't have to wait for ww3 to get it going you fucking cuck, I'll be in Austin soon we can do it right now

Yeah, we overthrew him with an election in which most of the Ukrainian population voted.

How exactly did we pull that one off?

Are you saying we have some magic "force people to vote for someone" ray?

Do tell. Let's see your evidence of this diabolical plot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_2014

[RandomGuy]

WWII all over again. Power hungry dictator demanding more land and power for his country, everyone else just attempting to placate them. This could escalate beyond anything we have seen since WWII. This has to be the most tenuous moment in the world since the Cuban missile crisis. Terrifying.

I would agree with that assessment.

Putin would eventually back off, if we genuinely stood up to him. Even with the recent heavy investment in the Russian military, it is still not anywhere near as capable as that of NATO, i.e. the US.

The sanctions will work eventually, though. Russia's economy is far weaker than it was when it had the USSRs territory to pilfer.

[boutons_deux]

WWII all over again. Power hungry dictator demanding more land and power for his country, everyone else just attempting to placate them. This could escalate beyond anything we have seen since WWII. This has to be the most tenuous moment in the world since the Cuban missile crisis. Terrifying.

:lol

I bet he stops by taking the Russian ethnic eastern/southern parts of Ukraine.

It was USA/EU that overthrew the Russia-friendly Pres of Ukraine.

USA LIED to Russia about not placing missiles on Russia's doorstep

and:

US (ABM treaty) withdrawal[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty&action=edit&section=5)]

Although the Soviet Union ceased to exist in December 1991, in the view of the U.S. Department of State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_State), the treaty continued in force.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty#cite_note-12) An additional memorandum of understanding was prepared in 1997, establishing Belarus, Kazakhstan, the Russian Federation, and Ukraine as successor states to the Soviet Union, for the purposes of the treaty.

On December 13, 2001, George W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush) gave Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia) notice of the United States' withdrawal from the treaty, in accordance with the clause that required six months' notice before terminating the pact—the first time in recent history that the United States has withdrawn from a major international arms treaty.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty#cite_note-13) This led to the eventual creation of the American Missile Defense Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Defense_Agency).[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty#cite_note-14)

Supporters of the withdrawal argued that it was a necessity in order to test and build a limited National Missile Defense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Missile_Defense) to protect the United States from nuclear blackmail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_blackmail) by a rogue state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_state). The withdrawal had many critics as well as supporters. John Rhinelander, a negotiator of the ABM treaty, predicted that the withdrawal would be a "fatal blow" to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty) and would lead to a "world without effective legal constraints on nuclear proliferation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_proliferation)." The construction of a missile defense system was also feared to enable the US to attack with a nuclear first strike.

Russia and the United States signed the Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Offensive_Reductions_Treaty) in Moscow on May 24, 2002. This treaty mandates cuts in deployed strategic nuclear warheads, but without actually mandating cuts to total stockpiled warheads, and without any mechanism for enforcement. :lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty

[m>s]

Yeah, we overthrew him with an election in which most of the Ukrainian population voted.

How exactly did we pull that one off?

Are you saying we have some magic "force people to vote for someone" ray?

Do tell. Let's see your evidence of this diabolical plot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_2014

there wasn't any election scheduled before the coup and all hell broke loose. Dude wasn't even on the ballot because we violently overthrew the elected government and he had to flee to Russia.

[xeromass]

It was Ukrainian people fed up of being screwed over that overthrew the government.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO1aXfXPuUA

[boutons_deux]

It was Ukrainian people fed up of being screwed over that overthrew the government.



US/EU did everything they could to overthrow the Russian puppet, and it ain't because he was a Bad Man to the Ukrainian people.

It's ALWAYS about corporate profits, Western corporations selling stuff, buying up/exploiting resources, and ultimately extracting wealth from the targeted country.

[boutons_deux]

Who’s Telling the ‘Big Lie’ on Ukraine?


http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/02/whos-telling-the-big-lie-on-ukraine/

[hater]

Has Russia invaded yet????

:lol idiots

[xeromass]

Yes, it has.

http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/09/russian-moves-huge-convoy-of-armor-into.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz3Fwf0DYDw

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jWdX4UXjPwc/VAY4wtseRII/AAAAAAAAVOM/Yj4OKAYcMyQ/s1600/Krasnodon%2B14.jpg
It says M04 E40. This is the road from Krasnodon through Lugansk to Donetsk.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol

[hater]

:lol Ukraineatwar.blogspot.com as a source :lol

[boutons_deux]

Just passed by TV at work.

Fox War Propaganda Network's crawler, paraphrase: "Fears increasing of ISIS on USA homeland"

Sounds like Repug/Fox pushing Saddam's WMD all over again.

[hater]

Just passed by TV at work.

Fox War Propaganda Network's crawler, paraphrase: "Fears increasing of ISIS on USA homeland"

Sounds like Repug/Fox pushing Saddam's WMD all over again.

yup. Time to wind up d old war machines and increase MIC pofits through the roof...

[Agloco]

Has Russia invaded yet????

:lol idiots


:lol Ukraineatwar.blogspot.com as a source :lol

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_112193.htm

Lemme guess...... this link will be ignored also.

[hater]

:lol nato

I can give you a similar link disproving your claim from the Russian army website :lol

[hater]

matter of fact here you go :lol

http://eng.mil.ru/en/analytics.htm

[Cry Havoc]

:lol nato

I can give you a similar link disproving your claim from the Russian army website :lol

:lmao

Did you seriously just equate Russian propaganda with NATO? :lmao Try harder, please.

[hater]

:lmao

Did you seriously just equate Russian propaganda with NATO? :lmao Try harder, please.

of course. they are both military groups whose goal is to maintain their geopolitical zones of influence.

grow up

[Agloco]

:lol nato

I can give you a similar link disproving your claim from the Russian army website :lol

You continue to self-own. We could stand over you and piss on your neck. You'd still swear it was rain. :lol

Sigh.......I guess I'll do the work for you this one time:

Your link: Analysis of satellite imagery released on the Internet by the Security Service of Ukraine on July 30, 2014



My link: Mons, BELGIUM – NATO released new satellite images on Thursday, 28 August 2014, that show Russian combat forces engaged in military operations inside the sovereign territory of Ukraine.

Simple shit like this is why you and your ilk get jeered each and every time you step into one of these threads. You didn't bother with a simple read of the material you posted. Unfortunately for you, I did.

Go grab another bullshit link so I can blow that one up too. I'll wait.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao

Did you seriously just equate Russian propaganda with NATO? :lmao Try harder, please.

It's hater trolling. Obviously absurd is a cliche tactic around here. Darrin, boutons and WC are the kings of true self-ownage.

[hater]

^ you missed the point. Not surprised.

:lol getting your news from NATO website :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

^ you missed the point. Not surprised.

:lol getting your news from NATO website :lol

It's been all over the newswire for over a week the reports of Russian armored battalions being deployed once the Ukrainians had begun to encircle Donetsk and were primed for a military victory. If their proxy fell they lose all leverage that doesn't involve tanking their economy.

CSM, Al-jazeera, reuters, foreign policy, and all the major outlets have ran it. There are all kinds of youtubes, pictures and other media of the Russian columns in Ukrainian territory.

I think you know this. I don't think you are this monumentally ignorant.

[m>s]

you russiophobes never admit your true motive: you all want russia to fall so that there will be none left to stand up to cultural marxism.

[Cry Havoc]

you russiophobes never admit your true motive: you all want russia to fall so that there will be none left to stand up to cultural marxism.

The shit you say. Yeah, I'd just LOVE it if a world power fell apart and their economy disintegrated. It would be so great for everyone. Poniesandrainbows.jpg

[m>s]

The shit you say. Yeah, I'd just LOVE it if a world power fell apart and their economy disintegrated. It would be so great for everyone. Poniesandrainbows.jpg
freaking race traitor

[hater]

CSM, Al-jazeera, reuters, foreign policy, and all the major outlets have ran it. There are all kinds of youtubes, pictures and other media of the Russian columns in Ukrainian territory.


links or you're full of shit

[xeromass]

Would Russian interview with mother and girlfriend of 20-yr old who got blown to bits by Ukrainian GRAD fire in similar convoy with about 120 others do? On 13 August around Snizhne, where MH17 was brought down.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.novayagazeta.ru%2Fsociety%2F650 75.html

Google translate obviously:

Nastya Anton called up every day, about the service, he told her much more than my mother. 23 or 25 July for the first time said, "We're going to war." Frightened Nastya asked only: "In Ukraine, there is no Russian?" - "We're going as a militia." Three or four days did not get in touch.

The second time, told Anton Nastya, they were sent to the Ukraine on August 3 for two days. City, date and purpose of the trip did not say Nastya thinks he did not know.
...
August 10 Anton called home: "Mom, we are sent to Donetsk."

- I say, "Where? There's a war! You can not go there! "He:" Mom. That's what you think. " Only said, "were sent to help the militia. Do not worry, everything will be Chiki! "


Nastya Anton added that Ukraine will be two or three months, perhaps until November, without any communication.
...
According to colleagues, the order to cross the border with Ukraine came on August 11. Those who refused, the command offended, ashamed, threatened with criminal prosecution. All documents and ordered to surrender the phone, remove the form (all dressed in simple camouflage), on the technique to cover markings and numbers. On the hands and feet tied tight white bandages later Tumanova found in "VKontakte" photograph of his son with such bandages and his colleague comment: "This marks the identification friend or foe. Today, on foot, on the right hand tomorrow, and so on. D. Everything that moves without dressings - is destroyed. "


The night of 12 August, a column of 1,200 people went to the Ukraine and in the afternoon of the 13th stopped at the plant in Snizhne, Donetsk region, 15 kilometers from the border. Machines with ammunition and weapons put very crowded. Happy August 13 column hit of "Grad".


- The boys (co-workers. - ER) said that of the 1,200 people who died - 120 wounded - 450, - says Tumanova. - They themselves somewhere in the back were, and my Anton ahead. No trenches, no protection ... Panic, who is on the machines, in all directions. Were chosen as they could ...


In short, according to the description colleagues Anton operation victorious Russian army in a foreign land looked like this: with two grenades on the person and not prepared for the battle technique column of troops came to Ukraine came under the "Grads" - and a day later came back with 120 corpses.

[Agloco]

links or you're full of shit

This coming from someone whose links are, in fact, full of shit.

[m>s]

Hitler was right

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VhGfCTA_6wA

[pgardn]

links or you're full of shit

So you have been there and know this?
We all have to rely on news sources.
And yours are shit.

Believe as you wish and remain a dumbass.

[RandomGuy]

there wasn't any election scheduled before the coup and all hell broke loose. Dude wasn't even on the ballot because we violently overthrew the elected government and he had to flee to Russia.

"we"

I take it you were in on this grand conspiracy?

Fascinating.

Why don't you tell me all about it. I'm sure if it were real, you would be able to say exactly how it happened with ease, and who specifically was involved.

I would especially like to know how your conspiracy forced 800,000 people into protesting their government. Maybe some "I don't like authoritarian dictator puppets" ray that you zapped them with?

Because, as we all know people just love having authoritarian dictators running their countries so much that the only possible way they might object is if some outside force made them do it. That is just common sense.

Enlighten us. How did you do it?

[RandomGuy]

:lol Ukraineatwar.blogspot.com as a source :lol

There is more than enough independently verifiable evidence that corroborates all of this.

Maybe you think that the captured paratroopers just got "lost" and ended up 20 kilometers inside Ukraine?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28934213

Because, as we all know, paratroopers are horrible at land navigation. They never really train how to read maps and compasses. That is for super special forces and stuff. I can see how your skepticism is valid.

I'm sure the mothers and wives who have been burying their paratrooper sons/husbands in secret are making it up too.
http://news.yahoo.com/army-wives-urge-russia-come-clean-soldiers-ukraine-185525694.html

LOL ad hominem

[RandomGuy]

:lol nato

I can give you a similar link disproving your claim from the Russian army website :lol

Because the Russian army has sooo much credibility.

LOL false equivalence

[RandomGuy]

matter of fact here you go :lol

http://eng.mil.ru/en/analytics.htm

Because the Russians would have no motive to lie, and Russian military intelligence is dedicated to the objective truth, and not what Putin tells them to say.

I would be willing to go so far as to say it is quite probable that Ukraine is actively making shit up, but there is more than enough evidence pointing in the same general direction.

Russian intelligence may not be wrong when they can find some fault in Ukrainian data, but if you think they are going to give you an unvarnished version or interpretation of any data, you are more than a little gullible.

[TeyshaBlue]

"we"

I take it you were in on this grand conspiracy?

Fascinating.

Why don't you tell me all about it. I'm sure if it were real, you would be able to say exactly how it happened with ease, and who specifically was involved.

I would especially like to know how your conspiracy forced 800,000 people into protesting their government. Maybe some "I don't like authoritarian dictator puppets" ray that you zapped them with?

Because, as we all know people just love having authoritarian dictators running their countries so much that the only possible way they might object is if some outside force made them do it. That is just common sense.

Enlighten us. How did you do it?

He did it from a booth at Chili's in Arlington. :lol UTA

[hater]

Because the Russian army has sooo much credibility.

LOL false equivalence

Nato has as much credibility or less than russian army. Nato created Lybia and wanted to help isis in syria :lol

[RandomGuy]

Nato has as much credibility or less than russian army. Nato created Lybia and wanted to help isis in syria :lol

NATO is formed from liberal Democracies with strong traditions of free press. If they actively lie about things, people know, and generally that comes out in the end, especially as those having to formulate and tell the lies, or are aware of them, speak their conscience.

This tends to make NATO and western military and governments far more reliable and honest than that of authoritarian ones.

Your assessment of NATO as having less credibility that the Russian defense ministry is therefore flawed.

Further, there are numerous first hand accounts of Russian troops now in Ukraine from independent sources.

If one can independently confirm what NATO has been saying, it is very reasonable, and logical to accept that they were telling the truth.

Once one has determined what is really happening on the ground, and it is directly contradicting everything the Russians have been saying, the true scope of Russian lies and propaganda becomes pretty clear.

Unless, of course, you have no critical thinking skills, and think that all information sources are somehow "equal", which is laughable.

I would be willing to bet you are a infowars junkie, as statements like that tend to indicate the types of flawed thinking that is pervasive in the conspiracy theory community.

You are aware that Western countries tend to have a free press, yes?

[RandomGuy]

http://news.yahoo.com/defenders-mariupol-await-fate-russians-221845657.html


"Everyone can see what Putin says and what he does," said Dmytro Linkov, a commander in the pro-Kiev volunteer force, the Azov Battalion, on the barricades on the edge of the strategic city.

Earlier in the afternoon his men were attacked on the eastern approaches to Mariupol by what he claimed were regular Russian troops, wounding at least one of them. Four more are still missing, their equipment left abandoned as they retreated.

"Yesterday," he said, "we were going to have a ceasefire. And today, they (the Russians) move closer."

Now, even as Kiev prepares for talks with rebels on Friday to end the conflict that has killed some 2,600 people, there are fears that pro-Moscow rebels reinforced by what the West claims are regular Russian military units, could be preparing for a possible attack.

"Maybe they want to try to take Mariupol today," Linkov told AFP, standing in front of his checkpoint, next to a sign telling motorists they are leaving the city.

"They are getting closer, they are maybe 20 kilometres (12 miles) away," he said. "Two days ago, there were no more than ten (tanks), but now? Who knows?"

By nightfall, the rumble of artillery fire could be heard getting closer, with shells falling a few hundred metres from the checkpoint.

The West and Kiev say Russian troops are behind the lightning offensive that has seen pro-Moscow separatists seize back swathes of territory from government troops in recent weeks. The Kremlin flatly denied the charges.

Linkov said he is no doubt that the fighters he is facing are Russian.

They are so well-acquainted with the positions of armoured vehicles defending the city, he believes they must be working with aerial reconnaissance technology.

"We can see that they are Russian, that they are not separatists, or terrorists. It is the regular Russian army, for sure," he said.

This is not the only report.

The sound of "artillery fire".

Artillery is not something you find in a field, and your average joe on the street wouldn't know how to effectively deploy artillery unless actively trained for a period a bit longer than this "insurgency" has been happening. This artillery fire is highly indicative of an actual professional army.

This is the Russian army invading a THIRD sovereign country in the span of about ten years, each time to punish a government on its border that had decided to take a pro-western tack.

The fact that this is an identifiable pattern further reinforces reports that NATO has given.

Only a fucking idiot would believe Russian denials that they have sent in their active army. That takes a special kind of moron, that the internet sadly seems not to be short of.

[RandomGuy]

you russiophobes never admit your true motive: you all want russia to fall so that there will be none left to stand up to cultural marxism.

Define "cultural marxism".

Personally I would far prefer a stable democracy in Russia, with a free press and actively participant in the community of nations.

As it is, it is being run to an ideological tune that is more concerned with stroking people's nationalistic ego at the expense of their actual well-being, and that is directly harming people that aren't even in the country.

[RandomGuy]

The shit you say. Yeah, I'd just LOVE it if a world power fell apart and their economy disintegrated. It would be so great for everyone. Poniesandrainbows.jpg

Looks like you beat me to it.

Just another conspiracy theory concerning things that exist only to make their believers feel better about themselves.

My impression of neo-nazis, like other types of conspiracy theorists, is that they tend have serious self-esteem issues.

[boutons_deux]

for you russophiles and Pooting fellators

The Dying Russians

In the seventeen years between 1992 and 2009, the Russian population declined by almost seven million people, or nearly 5 percent—a rate of loss unheard of in Europe since World War II. Moreover, much of this appears to be caused by rising mortality. By the mid-1990s, the average St. Petersburg man lived for seven fewer years than he did at the end of the Communist period; in Moscow, the dip was even greater, with death coming nearly eight years sooner.

In 2006 and 2007, Michelle Parsons, an anthropologist who teaches at Emory University and had lived in Russia during the height of the population decline in the early 1990s, set out to explore what she calls “the cultural context of the Russian mortality crisis.” Her method was a series of long unstructured interviews with average Muscovites—what amounted to immersing herself in a months-long conversation about what made life, for so many, no longer worth living. The explanation that Parsons believes she has found is in the title of her new book, Dying Unneeded (http://www.vanderbilt.edu/university-press/book/9780826519733).

Parsons chose as her subjects people who were middle-aged in the early 1990s. Since she conducted her interviews in Moscow over a decade later, the study has an obvious structural handicap: her subjects are the survivors, not the victims, of the mortality crisis—they didn’t die—and their memories have been transformed by the intervening years of social and economic upheaval. Still, what emerges is a story that is surely representative of the experience of a fair number of Russians.

Eberstadt is interested in the larger phenomenon of depopulation, including falling birth rates as well as rising death rates. He observes that this is not the first such trend in recent Russian history. There was the decline of 1917–1923—the years of the revolution and the Russian Civil War when, Eberstadt writes, “depopulation was attributable to the collapse of birth rates, the upsurge in death rates, and the exodus of émigrés that resulted from these upheavals.” There was 1933–1934, when the Soviet population fell by nearly two million as a result of murderous forced collectivization and a man-made famine that decimated rural Ukraine and, to a lesser extent, Russia. Then, from 1941 to 1946, the Soviet Union lost an estimated 27 million people in the war and suffered a two-thirds drop in birth rate. But the two-and-a-half decades since the collapse of the Soviet Union are the longest period of depopulation, and also the first to occur, on such a scale, in peacetime, anywhere in the world. “There is no obvious external application of state force to relieve, no obvious fateful and unnatural misfortune to weather, in the hopes of reversing this particular population decline,” writes Eberstadt. “Consequently, it is impossible to predict when (or even whether) Russia’s present, ongoing depopulation will finally come to an end.”

Russia has long had a low birth rate. The Soviet government fought to increase it by introducing a three-year maternity leave and other inducements, but for much of the postwar period it hovered below replacement rates. An exception was the Gorbachev era, when fertility reached 2.2. After 1989, however, it fell and still has not recovered: despite financial inducements introduced by the Putin government, the Russian fertility rate stands at 1.61, one of the lowest in the world (the US fertility rate estimate for 2014 is 2.01, which is also below replacement but still much higher than Russia’s).

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/sep/02/dying-russians/

[RandomGuy]

Nato has as much credibility or less than russian army. Nato created Lybia and wanted to help isis in syria :lol

Maybe NATO is making up stories so hard, it is blowing the limbs off Russian paratroopers:


Moscow (AFP) - When Russian paratrooper Nikolai Kozlov was deployed to Crimea to help Moscow take over the peninsula from Ukraine, his parents were proud of him.

Six months later Kozlov is disabled for life, an amputee now recovering in hospital from wounds incurred on a Kremlin-orchestrated covert mission to Ukraine to prop up separatists fighting against Kiev.

The paratrooper's uncle, Sergei Kozlov, said his brother asked him to help take care of the young man in the hospital.

"Seva called yesterday and said that Kolka had been wounded in Ukraine, and had lost a leg, or both legs -- I didn't ask," Kozlov said, referring to his brother and nephew by their nicknames.
http://news.yahoo.com/body-bags-russians-reflect-ukraine-war-224533171.html

Got anything on the Russian army website about why their paratroopers suddenly seem to be dying in groups by unit and missing limbs?

Maybe you think they all suddenly got colds?

:rolleyes

[hater]

has Russia invaded yet?

:lol

[xeromass]

Yes, they have. Mostly by "guys on vacation" though. Some regular units only in last 3 weeks or so.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.novayagazeta.ru%2Fsociety%2F650 96.html&sandbox=1

Bullet points from twitter:

https://twitter.com/christogrozev

Novaya Gazeta reporting on recruitment of volunteers for Ukraine: "all interviews are handled by FSB staff"

Novaya Gazeta : "Mercenaries are paid max 60,000 per month" (=1,200 Euro, 1,600 USD)

NG's source "10,000 USD to be paid to family of dead mercenary...although how are you going to check if you are dead"

NG's source: "Cossack commander ran away with the whole company's salaries. @ $ 300,000. FSB began investigation but he probably paid off"

NG: "Before shipment to Ukraine, FSB confiscate all docs that may show links to Russia. Do background check and give you your alias"

NG's source: "Rostov training camp is a mess. Personally saw random people just show up, ask for 2 AK's and a car, and they just give them"

NG to source:"How often is a convoy of equipment sent from Russia"
"Every day"
"Why do rebels complain of too few arms?"
"They break them"

NG's source: "Tanks & APCs were largely sent to us from Crimea, so it would show up as Ukrainian equipment when caught"

NG asks: "Who controls the whole process?"
"Initiative was the Cossacks'. FSB takes care of secrecy. Ministry of Defense provides equipment."

NG's source: "Our casualties are much higher than in Chechnya. People totally inexperienced. 200 out of 300 often killed on first day.

Novaya Gazeta source : "If you die there, unless commander transports body back, you end in unnamed grave. Local rebels don't know your name

[Agloco]

has Russia invaded yet?

:lol

Why don't you help us verify that with another bullshit link?

[m>s]

Hearing reports that the ceasefire has been broken, this time with NATO troops nearby. Ukies claiming that they are fighting 100,00 russian troops, since the lies don't work maybe this time they'll fire on NATO and blame Russia.

#HappeningWatch

[RandomGuy]

has Russia invaded yet?

:lol

Man, that isn't even very good trolling.

Are you this lazy in other areas of your life, or just this one?

[RandomGuy]

Hearing reports that the ceasefire has been broken, this time with NATO troops nearby. Ukies claiming that they are fighting 100,00 russian troops, since the lies don't work maybe this time they'll fire on NATO and blame Russia.

#HappeningWatch

Russia, of course, is still claiming they have no troops at all there, making the Ukrainians look more credible.

[hater]

Man, that isn't even very good trolling.

Are you this lazy in other areas of your life, or just this one?

lazy is going to nato.com and posting their propaganda as fact in a forum :lol

talk about lazy :lmao you didn't even use your brain

[m>s]

lazy is going to nato.com and posting their propaganda as fact in a forum :lol

talk about lazy :lmao you didn't even use your brain
:lmao everyone getting a piece of the cuck

hey RG, where's Summers? I need a quick and easy fuck.

[RandomGuy]

lazy is going to nato.com and posting their propaganda as fact in a forum :lol

talk about lazy :lmao you didn't even use your brain

Busting out the smiley faces.

I accept your surrender.

[RandomGuy]

:lmao everyone getting a piece of the cuck

hey RG, where's Summers? I need a quick and easy fuck.

Tweedle dee chimed in, and now we have tweedle dum.

I accept your surrender as well.

Do you always give up this quickly? Or just this once?

If my ideas and ideology were that poorly supported by actual evidence, I wouldn't try hard to defend it either.

"sokay, I understand. Reading is hard 'n' stuff.

[m>s]

Tell that bitch I'm ready

[hater]

I surrender.

apparently so does Ukraine :lol

[cheguevara]

let's take a look at the events that made Putin send his support and troops to protect Russian speakers in Ukraine.

The Odessa Massacre of May 2nd.

new Ukraine government in Kiev orders to take over buildings occupied by Russian speakers who opposed the new government. In odessa, Russian speakers staying at the Trade Union Building are attacked, the building is burnt to the ground:

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Ukraine nationalist neonazis herding Russians to the burning building

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Pravy Sector members (Ukraine nationalists) firing at Russians in the building

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neonazis and nationalists beating Russians who jumped off the windows of the building

ltgvkndn_vU

there's your dear Kiev government

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[Agloco]

lazy is going to nato.com and posting their propaganda as fact in a forum :lol

talk about lazy :lmao you didn't even use your brain

No, lazy is not responding in kind with any factual data from a reputable source. You're an idiot. There aren't enough "lolz" or emoticons in the world to change that.


let's take a look at the events that made Putin send his support and troops to protect Russian speakers in Ukraine.

Finally, from the peanut gallery, we have an admission of Russias direct involvement in the Ukraine.

[m>s]

Fag loco, stick to playing around in nuclear reactors because the radiation is obviously affecting the part of your brain that tries to understand politics.

The Kiev junta is shelling citizens, and if you thought Putin was going to let us bring Ukraine into NATO then you are the dumbest so called scientist I have ever met.

[cheguevara]

Finally, from the peanut gallery, we have an admission of Russias direct involvement in the Ukraine.

no shit. he did annex Crimea genius.

try to catch up

[pgardn]

"I have nothing against Russian nationalists, or a great Russia," said Dmitry, as we sped through the dark Mariupol night in a pickup truck, a machine gunner positioned in the back. "But Putin's not even a Russian. Putin's a Jew."

Dmitry – which he said is not his real name – is a native of east Ukraine and a member of the Azov battalion, a volunteer grouping that has been doing much of the frontline fighting in Ukraine's war with pro-Russia separatists. The Azov, one of many volunteer brigades to fight alongside the Ukrainian army in the east of the country, has developed a reputation for fearlessness in battle.


From The Guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

This'll put some heroine in m<s cough syrup. Tell the board when your head stops spinning Nazi.

[spurraider21]

:cry this cyber attack is crippling the US

[Agloco]

no shit. he did annex Crimea genius.

try to catch up

:lol Meanwhile, you and your buddies maintain that no invasion has taken place. Pick a lane.

[boutons_deux]

Ukraine’s ‘Romantic’ Nazi Storm Troopers

The U.S. mainstream media’s deeply biased coverage of the Ukraine crisis – endlessly portraying the U.S.-backed coup regime in Kiev as “the good guys” – reached a new level of absurdity over the weekend as the Washington Post excused the appearance of Swastikas and other Nazi symbols among a Ukrainian government militia as “romantic.”

This curious description of these symbols for unspeakable evil – the human devastation of the Holocaust and World War II — can be found in the last three paragraphs of the lead story (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as-leaders-talk-peace-some-ukrainians-contemplate-guerrilla-war/2014/09/12/4e36884e-aa74-40d6-8c61-8b6fe3ffd638_story.html) in the Post’s Saturday editions, an article about Ukraine’s Azov battalion which has become best known for waging brutal warfare under Nazi and neo-Nazi insignia.

http://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/140909-ukraine-nazi-02_63a0fd5c7a717bba6d7b7d5b090d91b2.nbcnews-ux-520-200-300x100.jpg (http://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/140909-ukraine-nazi-02_63a0fd5c7a717bba6d7b7d5b090d91b2.nbcnews-ux-520-200.jpg)
Nazi symbols on helmets worn by members of Ukraine’s Azov battalion. (Images filmed by a Norwegian camera team and shown on German TV)


However, if you didn’t know that reputation, you would have learned little about that grim feature of the Azov paramilitaries as you wound your way through the long story which began on Page One and covered half an inside page.

Post correspondent Anthony Faiola portrayed the Azov fighters as “battle-scarred patriots” who were nobly resisting “Russian aggression,” so determined to fight for Ukraine’s freedom that they threatened to resort to “guerrilla war.”

The article finds nothing objectionable about Azov’s plans for “sabotage, targeted assassinations and other insurgent tactics” against Russians, although such actions are often regarded as terrorism. Similar threats are directed even at the government of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko if he agrees to a peace deal with the ethnic Russian east that is not to the militia’s liking.

“If Kiev reaches a deal with rebels that they don’t support, paramilitary fighters say they could potentially strike pro-Russian targets on their own — or even turn on the government itself,” the article states.

Incorruptible Freedom Fighters

The Post, which has avidly supported a Cold War-style confrontation with Russia over Ukraine, portrays Kiev’s so-called “voluntary battalions” as the true heroes of this international morality play, incorruptible freedom fighters angry about a potential sell-out by Poroshenko and other politicians far from the front lines.

So, you might have been a little unsettled to reach the inside jump of the story and see a photograph of a Swastika festooning one barracks of the Azov brigade. According to a variety of other news accounts, the Azov brigade also marches under the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel banner, a slight variant of a symbol used by the Nazi SS.

But the Post offers an excuse for the Swastika in the barracks. In the last three paragraphs, Faiola reported: “One platoon leader, who called himself Kirt, conceded that the group’s far right views had attracted about two dozen foreign fighters from around Europe.

“In one room, a recruit had emblazoned a swastika above his bed. But Kirt, a former hospitality worker, dismissed questions of ideology, saying that the volunteers — many of them still teenagers — embrace symbols and espouse extremist notions as part of some kind of ‘romantic’ idea.
“He insisted the group’s primary goal is defending its country against Russian aggression.”

Yet, whatever excuses the Post and other Western media offer – or how much they try to downplay the key role played by neo-Nazi militias in the U.S.-backed Kiev regime – the ugly reality is that Nazism, deeply rooted in western Ukraine since World War II, has been an integral part of the story since the crisis erupted last winter.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/15/ukraines-romantic-nazi-storm-troopers/

[m>s]

Too bad these "nazis" are actually good goys working for shekelstein although they don't know it