Russian Rouble falls to new low under sanctions threat

[Cry Havoc]

Russian rouble falls to new low on sanctions threat

The Russian rouble fell to a record low against the dollar as investors fear further sanctions against the nation.

The rouble fell to 37.03 per dollar on Friday, its worst valuation since the currency was restructured in 1998.

More: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28986360

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:lmao Spurstalk armchair economists proclaiming Russia's invincibility

:lmao Russia is independent and will be fine economically

:lmao Putin is playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers

:lmao Sanctions will do nothing to affect Russia's economy

[Cry Havoc]

Well, maybe the sanctions should be lifted off of Russia.

Look who started it. Putin's just playing poker the right way instead of folding.


I disagree.

The new Russia isn't the same as the old CCCP.

They supply the EU with something like 1/3rd of their oil and gas. The EU needs to watch out over this, especially since no hard evidence is presented.


:rolleyes

wake up. US vs USSR was going to happen years ago if not for a phone call John F Kennedy made to Krushev

you are really underestimating human stupidity. Let me guess, you thought TEPCO was doing a good job in Fukushima and the radiation is nothing more than eating a banana? :lmao

you seriously think Russia is not taking these aggressions as war cries????? Russia means business beleive that


the US had better back off if they know what's good for them..their military these days consists of women, gays, and overgrown manchildren and will get absolutely REKT going up against superior Russian ground forces. Soviet deep battle doctrine is going to rip our expensive fancy crap to shreds. The time may be right for the National Socialist government in exile to cut a deal with Russia to eliminate this common enemy.


Poland asks US to buy apples banned by Russia
http://rt.com/business/179332-poland-us-import-apples/
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

Poland has asked the US to purchase the country's apples after Moscow banned all food imports from the EU, the US, and other countries who imposed sanctions on Russia over the Ukraine crisis.

Prior to the full embargo on food exports from the West, Russia’s agricultural watchdog Rosselkhoznadzor banned the import of practically all fruits and vegetables from Poland, citing a breach of food safety standards.


:lol prepare for incoming bouts of diahrrea America :lol


LOL @ Europe hurting itself and pissing off it's neighbors to appease the Americans


Like I pointed out elsewhere, These sanctions will not hurt Russia. If anyone bothered to check, Russia is pretty self sufficient, and buys imported items that are more of a luxury than necessity.


"Wish we had a President who was as pro America as Putin is pro Russia. Wish we had a President who was a man instead of a man-child..." - Vin Diesel


I agree.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[pgardn]

All of the people quoted above should be asked one simple question:

How safe would your money be in Russia?

They don't get it. Just ask any member of this board where do they keep their money? Ask any human on earth who has some cash and understands safe investing where would you like your money to be?

Im sure WC is heavily invested in the ruble.
Boots, where is your money? Anything tied to big oil and big Pharma?
I bet so.

[velik_m]

USA and EU are under pressure to end this before the winter, if winter comes and Ukraine is still largely unstable, the goverment will collapse. That's why Putin is just looking to stall and Ukraine is pushing to end the rebellion as soon as possible and consolidate as much power as it can.

[Wild Cobra]

Wow...

Russian goods are now cheaper for the rest of the world to buy.

I wish the dollar would drop compared to other would currencies. As imports become more expensive, we might put more people to work!

[pgardn]

Wow...

Russian goods are now cheaper for the rest of the world to buy.

I wish the dollar would drop compared to other would currencies. As imports become more expensive, we might put more people to work!

Oh yes. Give us a rundown of their wide array of export products other than hydrocarbons and weapons?

Shit, Poland won't get their apples because they are anti Russia...
Oh God, their Oligarchs may not rent or buy high end stuff in London.
What a joke...

WC. Since their economy is looking up, what does your investment portfolio look like in Russia? Since they have such cheap goods what are you investing in, Vodka, borscht? They gonna move a bunch of this and make you rich?

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol the russians who loss it all in cyprus

lol those russians if they had any left in russia is now worth jackshit

[velik_m]

Wow...

Russian goods are now cheaper for the rest of the world to buy.

I wish the dollar would drop compared to other would currencies. As imports become more expensive, we might put more people to work!

Lower value of your currency means that you have to pay more for stuff - so having more money doesn't really help you.

[Infinite_limit]

Oh look, America causing another Economic crash

[Wild Cobra]

Oh yes. Give us a rundown of their wide array of export products other than hydrocarbons and weapons?

I don't know. I was thinking in more broad terms of supply and demand of jobs. There is far more at stake when the value of currency changes. Is that the limit of your knowledge?

They are doing better than us, and should change the supply and demand of workers, raising wages.

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/markadomanis/files/2012/07/RussiaUnempliyment-graphic.gif



Shit, Poland won't get their apples because they are anti Russia...
Oh God, their Oligarchs may not rent or buy high end stuff in London.
What a joke...

wow.

You're all ogver the place. Do you have any coherent thoughts?



WC. Since their economy is looking up, what does your investment portfolio look like in Russia? Since they have such cheap goods what are you investing in, Vodka, borscht? They gonna move a bunch of this and make you rich?
You sure ASSume alot. I pity you.

[Wild Cobra]

Lower value of your currency means that you have to pay more for stuff - so having more money doesn't really help you.
It doesn't raise the items made within a nation like it does imports. Because of that, it helps local economies that compete with imports.

[m>s]

obama just destroying the world economy like he's supposed to do, no surprises here

[velik_m]

It doesn't raise the items made within a nation like it does imports. Because of that, it helps local economies that compete with imports.

Only if those items are made without foreign materials, tools or parts and without using foreign source of energy. The odds of that in todays global economy is zero.

[Heath Ledger]

Does this mean I can finally afford to buy Caviar?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

USA and EU are under pressure to end this before the winter, if winter comes and Ukraine is still largely unstable, the goverment will collapse. That's why Putin is just looking to stall and Ukraine is pushing to end the rebellion as soon as possible and consolidate as much power as it can.

Why would the government collapse?

[m>s]

Why would the government collapse?
Because they're bankrupt and people will differ and freeze to death? Politics aren't your strong suit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because they're bankrupt and people will differ and freeze to death? Politics aren't your strong suit.

And those are unassailable issues? Critical thinking is not your strong suit.

You should continue making an online spectacle of yourself for the NSA.

[m>s]

Yes they are unassailable issues, there ain't no fucking charity for countries who can't pay their shit back. Do you even understand politics and finance? They got all their natural gas from Russia, now they're all going to freeze to death.

If I were worried about the NSA, then I wouldn't have started speaking out years ago. Once we reach the point where they can actually arrest me for having opinions then it was all over for us anyway.

[Wild Cobra]

Only if those items are made without foreign materials, tools or parts and without using foreign source of energy. The odds of that in todays global economy is zero.

I'll bet Russia is far more self sufficient in the areas that matter than we are.

[m>s]

I'll bet Russia is far more self sufficient in the areas that matter than we are.
Russia is completely self sufficient if they want to be, that's why the sanctions haven't really worked. They've got oil, gas, and industry. And they can get anything else through trade with china or the brics. China will do this because if Russia falls, they are next.

[Wild Cobra]

Russia is completely self sufficient if they want to be, that's why the sanctions haven't really worked. They've got oil, gas, and industry. And they can get anything else through trade with china or the brics. China will do this because if Russia falls, they are next.
Yep.

Like apples really matter.

[xeromass]

Government is "collapsing" anyway, parliament has been disbanded a week ago, they're having general elections on 26 October.

Another unconnected nugget - on 1 October Russian military has a change of conscripts. So they have a month to end this mess or their force will be severely weakened.

[CosmicCowboy]

Russia self sufficient? LMAO

Russia is an oil company with an army and nukes.

Putin has ridden the popular wave of nationalism from the population remembering "how it was" when they were a world power but that shit only goes so far. Sanctions are gonna hurt eventually.

[Wild Cobra]

Russia self sufficient? LMAO

Russia is an oil company with an army and nukes.

Putin has ridden the popular wave of nationalism from the population remembering "how it was" when they were a world power but that shit only goes so far. Sanctions are gonna hurt eventually.
Yes, but who will it hurt the most, and soonest?

I don't think sanctions are the way to go.

[pgardn]

Yes, but who will it hurt the most, and soonest?

I don't think sanctions are the way to go.

You got this nutty idea that the Russian masses live better than EU counties because the EU will give you the low down. They publicize financials.

Putin in is weighing how bad they will be hurt. He could have already taken anything he wanted in Ukraine when he had 40,000 troops, he pulls the out, he brings some back, he waits. Putin is clearly vacillating. He has the oligarchs in one ear, and pride/nationalism in the other.

This is economically stupid for everyone.

So what is the way to go Mr. President?

[pgardn]

I don't know. I was thinking in more broad terms of supply and demand of jobs. There is far more at stake when the value of currency changes. Is that the limit of your knowledge?

They are doing better than us, and should change the supply and demand of workers, raising wages.

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/markadomanis/files/2012/07/RussiaUnempliyment-graphic.gif


wow.

You're all ogver the place. Do you have any coherent thoughts?


You sure ASSume alot. I pity you.

Don't ever use the word coherent.
And I appreciate the pity from all animals, even those that lack neurons.

[cheguevara]

:lol thinking Russia gives a fuck about a few rubles. This is the same Russia that looked at the bottom of the Nazi barrell and with half of Stalingrad burned to ashes still came on top vs Hitler and saved Europe.

Anyone who thinks Russia will flinch because of a few rubles is delusional beyond recognition. :lol obama bots :lol

[cheguevara]

Btw did anybody end up buying the Polish apples??? :lmao

[velik_m]

Why would the government collapse?

Because the goverment is not as popular as it seems, because war is never popular and with the draft it will only get less popular, because they make products that cannot be sold in EU and they just lost their biggest market and because winter in Ukraine is a big deal. It may not be a big deal in Texas, but winter is big deal in Ukraine - and most of the gass they need to keep the winter away is/was supplied by Russia (at a heavy subsidised price).

That's why they are cenzoring their media and calling for snap elections when a big part of their country cannot vote (a part that doesn't like this government) - to get more power - possibly a constitutional majority to further solidify their power before the unrest begins.

[angrydude]

The funniest part is I'm sure the same people making fun of Russia for having a falling currency are also the ones who say its unfair China manipulates theirs lower on purpose.

[m>s]

ITS ABOUT TO FUCKING HAPPEN, ARE YOU GUYS READY!!!!!

we war nao!!!!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because the goverment is not as popular as it seems, because war is never popular and with the draft it will only get less popular, because they make products that cannot be sold in EU and they just lost their biggest market and because winter in Ukraine is a big deal. It may not be a big deal in Texas, but winter is big deal in Ukraine - and most of the gass they need to keep the winter away is/was supplied by Russia (at a heavy subsidised price).

That's why they are cenzoring their media and calling for snap elections when a big part of their country cannot vote (a part that doesn't like this government) - to get more power - possibly a constitutional majority to further solidify their power before the unrest begins.

If the Ukranian military continues to want to fight the Russians then I don't really think it matters if the Ukranian government 'collapses' or if there is some humanitarian crisis. Wouldn't be the first time that region was depopulated. The ones that are left still aren't going to be pro-Russia. If anything they are going to be more venomous in their opposition.

You try and paint this picture that Ukraine is completely dependent on Russia but I don't believe that to be the case. They are on the black sea. they can get things over there if need be.

[Infinite_limit]

If the Ukranian military continues to want to fight the Russians then I don't really think it matters if the Ukranian government 'collapses' or if there is some humanitarian crisis. Wouldn't be the first time that region was depopulated. The ones that are left still aren't going to be pro-Russia. If anything they are going to be more venomous in their opposition.

You try and paint this picture that Ukraine is completely dependent on Russia but I don't believe that to be the case. They are on the black sea. they can get things over there if need be.
I think you are over stating Ukraine as a culture with native people. Less than 400 years ago Kiev was Polands

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes they are unassailable issues, there ain't no fucking charity for countries who can't pay their shit back. Do you even understand politics and finance? They got all their natural gas from Russia, now they're all going to freeze to death.

If I were worried about the NSA, then I wouldn't have started speaking out years ago. Once we reach the point where they can actually arrest me for having opinions then it was all over for us anyway.

I have heard of the IMF and I understand it's basically a choice between Brussels and Berlin financing Kiev or Moscow doing it. I know that Russia is not the only source of power in the world. The German's have been more than happy to lend Kiev money to this point. They just gave them $1b a week ago.

Kiev was winning too. they had kicked the rebels out of all the public buildings in various cities and had surrounded the final two large cities. When it became clear that a military victory was inevitable, Russia invaded from the south to relieve the two besieged cities and keep this farce alive.

you guys read like russian propagandists.

[Infinite_limit]

Hard not to understand Russia's perspective

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/kegstermd/2a80tbs_zpse14040b6.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Hard not to understand Russia's perspective

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/kegstermd/2a80tbs_zpse14040b6.jpg
Yep.

And the complaint is Russian expansion.

[pgardn]

It's not hard to understand.

It will be hard to understand in retrospect, when they can't even produce enough Vodka, again.
Putin is going slow playing the EU, he could have all he wants now.
He is giving the EU a chance to make excuses for him.

Russia has one thing going for it, people. Lots of em. And arms of course.

[velik_m]

You try and paint this picture that Ukraine is completely dependent on Russia but I don't believe that to be the case. They are on the black sea. they can get things over there if need be.

Economically - they are. Slovenian economy when to shit after independance when we lost the Yugoslav market due to wars and Slovenian economy was in far better shape then, already selling stuff to Germany and other western countries, than Ukraine is now. To illustrate where Ukraine economically is - the standard of living in the Crimea actually improved when they went to Russia - and we all know how shitty average Russian's life is. A couple of billions of help want do much to rebuild the economy - for a country of that size you're probably looking in the range of Iraq rebuild or German reunification cost - and that's a mighty big price for EU just to piss of a major trade partner.

And you can't ship them the gass they need in the winter over the sea, they will probably steal the gass on transit to EU, prompting the Russia to close the supply completely. To be honest the last few winters in central europe were pretty mild and EU has other supplies, so maybe it won't that big of a deal for Germany&co.

[pgardn]

Economically - they are. Slovenian economy when to shit after independance when we lost the Yugoslav market due to wars and Slovenian economy was in far better shape then, already selling stuff to Germany and other western countries, than Ukraine is now. To illustrate where Ukraine economically is - the standard of living in the Crimea actually improved when they went to Russia - and we all know how shitty average Russian's life is. A couple of billions of help want do much to rebuild the economy - for a country of that size you're probably looking in the range of Iraq rebuild or German reunification cost - and that's a mighty big price for EU just to piss of a major trade partner.

And you can't ship them the gass they need in the winter over the sea, they will probably steal the gass on transit to EU, prompting the Russia to close the supply completely. To be honest the last few winters in central europe were pretty mild and EU has other supplies, so maybe it won't that big of a deal for Germany&co.

Way way premature.

Crimea is having a lot of problems with some very basic things involving money exchange, banking, basic real estate rules... Who is in charge of what... If anything the preliminary call is confusion, not better standard of living.

And I really don't think the Americans on this board have any idea what an ordinary Russian lives like. Hands up, who has been to Moscow and got put up in a place because Aeroflot could not get a flight out?
How was that food and room?

[m>s]

I have heard of the IMF and I understand it's basically a choice between Brussels and Berlin financing Kiev or Moscow doing it. I know that Russia is not the only source of power in the world. The German's have been more than happy to lend Kiev money to this point. They just gave them $1b a week ago.

Kiev was winning too. they had kicked the rebels out of all the public buildings in various cities and had surrounded the final two large cities. When it became clear that a military victory was inevitable, Russia invaded from the south to relieve the two besieged cities and keep this farce alive.

you guys read like russian propagandists.

the IMF doesn't produce gas, it can only lend capital. Russia still doesn't have to sell. and if you had been paying attention you would know that the IMF laid down an ultimatum: hold onto the east and crush the rebels or no loan.

[Infinite_limit]

It's not hard to understand.

It will be hard to understand in retrospect, when they can't even produce enough Vodka, again.
Putin is going slow playing the EU, he could have all he wants now.
He is giving the EU a chance to make excuses for him.

Russia has one thing going for it, people. Lots of em. And arms of course.
That was when the incompetent shit head Gorbachev ran things

[pgardn]

That was when the incompetent shit head Gorbachev ran things

Oh you mean after the country was going down a dark hole the military put them in?
The system was so rotten with corruption and then Reagan called BS and made Soviets spend even more money wastefully. You want pre Gorbachev days of glory, when people could not feed their families while government officials all had their own dacha?

Do you understand what a shithole of corruption they are, and will continue to be? People think the US gov. does not work so well... Holy crap, just take a visit. You got people on this board who watch basketball on NBA TV while swilling beer and tacos and then go type on a GD message board thinking the US is some sort of hell... No perspective, no frame of reference, spoiled lucky to be born in the right place at the right time numb nuts.

[Infinite_limit]

Oh you mean after the country was going down a dark hole the military put them in?
The system was so rotten with corruption and then Reagan called BS and made Soviets spend even more money wastefully. You want pre Gorbachev days of glory, when people could not feed their families while government officials all had their own dacha?

Do you understand what a shithole of corruption they are, and will continue to be? People think the US gov. does not work so well... Holy crap, just take a visit. You got people on this board who watch basketball on NBA TV while swilling beer and tacos and then go type on a GD message board thinking the US is some sort of hell... No perspective, no frame of reference, spoiled lucky to be born in the right place at the right time numb nuts.
Russia borders 15 nations and contains 9 time zones. It is extremely difficult to govern such a vast land. Reagan did nothing, it was the Petro Dollar that defeated USSR.

My good friends parents just returned from Moscow & St. Petersburg. They said it was beautiful and Moscow is the most luxurious city they've ever seen. USA contains similar inequality

[cheguevara]

Putin and Larvov have yet to lose one single faceoff vs Obama Buddin and Kerry :lmao

:lol thinking they will flinch now. :lol

:lol blind dlusional homers

[pgardn]

Russia borders 15 nations and contains 9 time zones. It is extremely difficult to govern such a vast land. Reagan did nothing, it was the Petro Dollar that defeated USSR.

My good friends parents just returned from Moscow & St. Petersburg. They said it was beautiful and Moscow is the most luxurious city they've ever seen. USA contains similar inequality

It was the system that created the Petro dollar and Reagan who outspent the Soviet State militarily, which would have crumbled without him imo, Reagan just moved it up. These fucks import their wheat when they have more arable land for wheat than any nation... It's a total joke. As is their efficiency at getting hydrocarbons out of the ground. Their entire transport system is a joke. This is a nation run by children daring each other to take their shirt off while jumping into frigid water. But, the majority of people can't even swim, but hell, they can take it. They drowned under Stalin et al, they can drown under Putin.

[in2deep]

Putin and Larvov have yet to lose one single faceoff vs Obama Buddin and Kerry :lmao

:lol thinking they will flinch now. :lol

:lol blind dlusional homers

didn't Obama score a victory over Putin in Lybia?

[cheguevara]

didn't Obama score a victory over Putin in Lybia?

you mean the same Lybia where the US ambassador was masssacred and now the Jihadists are having pool parties at the US embassy?

that Lybia? :lol :lmao :lol

[cheguevara]

mission accomplished:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/31/1409499197501_wps_27_An_Islamist_allied_militi.jpg

:lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

the IMF doesn't produce gas, it can only lend capital. Russia still doesn't have to sell. and if you had been paying attention you would know that the IMF laid down an ultimatum: hold onto the east and crush the rebels or no loan.

You were talking about money too. Nice to see you just abandoned that argument.

And you are so full of shit in your characterizations.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Economically - they are. Slovenian economy when to shit after independance when we lost the Yugoslav market due to wars and Slovenian economy was in far better shape then, already selling stuff to Germany and other western countries, than Ukraine is now. To illustrate where Ukraine economically is - the standard of living in the Crimea actually improved when they went to Russia - and we all know how shitty average Russian's life is. A couple of billions of help want do much to rebuild the economy - for a country of that size you're probably looking in the range of Iraq rebuild or German reunification cost - and that's a mighty big price for EU just to piss of a major trade partner.

And you can't ship them the gass they need in the winter over the sea, they will probably steal the gass on transit to EU, prompting the Russia to close the supply completely. To be honest the last few winters in central europe were pretty mild and EU has other supplies, so maybe it won't that big of a deal for Germany&co.

You are not looking at it like a capitalist. IF they lend them the money then their interests are inserted into Ukraine for the next few decades. This is also the type of situation that geopolitical powerbrokers like presidents and chancellors will push to get financed. Slovenia is a small Balkan state on the mediterranean. Kiev is one of the largest European countries economically, geographically, and demographically and right on Russia's door step.

Winter is still 6 weeks away. I imagine they have had discussion on how to handle Russia cutting off the gas considering they were first threatening it in the spring. and all summer. I know they are building a pipeline from the ME to the black sea as well. You are just fear mongering the unknown mainly. Let me know when Russia actually shuts off the gas. All they are doing to this point is preventing Ukraine from winning a military victory which they were on the cusp of doing.

[m>s]

You were talking about money too. Nice to see you just abandoned that argument.

And you are so full of shit in your characterizations.
Yeah you're not making any sense, why don't you go ahead and explain to us how getting a loan from the IMF is going to force Russia to sell.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah you're not making any sense, why don't you go ahead and explain to us how getting a loan from the IMF is going to force Russia to sell.


Yes they are unassailable issues, there ain't no fucking charity for countries who can't pay their shit back. Do you even understand politics and finance?

Talk out of your ass some more please.

[velik_m]

You are not looking at it like a capitalist. IF they lend them the money then their interests are inserted into Ukraine for the next few decades. This is also the type of situation that geopolitical powerbrokers like presidents and chancellors will push to get financed. Slovenia is a small Balkan state on the mediterranean. Kiev is one of the largest European countries economically, geographically, and demographically and right on Russia's door step.

Winter is still 6 weeks away. I imagine they have had discussion on how to handle Russia cutting off the gas considering they were first threatening it in the spring. and all summer. I know they are building a pipeline from the ME to the black sea as well. You are just fear mongering the unknown mainly. Let me know when Russia actually shuts off the gas. All they are doing to this point is preventing Ukraine from winning a military victory which they were on the cusp of doing.

You are talking as if Russia cutting off Ukraine gas supply is something unprecedented: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_dispute#Gas_suppli es_to_Ukraine_cut_off Russia will not cut it off until winter comes.

Whatever infrastructure they plan to build it won't be ready for this winter (they will probably not even start it by then) and Ukraine has already accumulated several billions of debt paying subsidized gas prices - what makes you think they will be able to afford them at the market rate?


Ukraine also faces enormous problems re-paying its debts, a substantial portion of which are denominated in dollars and other foreign currencies. Although it attracted little attention at the time, when it bought $3 billion worth of bonds at the end of 2013 Russia inserted a clause that stipulates that the total volume of Ukrainian state-guaranteed debt cannot exceed 60% of its annual GDP. If that threshold is breached, Russia can legally demand repayments on an accelerated schedule. Given the parlous state of the Ukrainian economy and its government’s extremely weak finances, this essentially means that if Ukraine’s debt exceeds 60% of its GDP Russia can legally force it to default.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2014/04/15/ukraines-economy-is-nearing-collapse/

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are talking as if Russia cutting off Ukraine gas supply is something unprecedented: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_dispute#Gas_suppli es_to_Ukraine_cut_off Russia will not cut it off until winter comes.

Whatever infrastructure they plan to build it won't be ready for this winter (they will probably not even start it by then) and Ukraine has already accumulated several billions of debt paying subsidized gas prices - what makes you think they will be able to afford them at the market rate?



http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2014/04/15/ukraines-economy-is-nearing-collapse/

If it happened in 2009, then so what if it happens again? The end of the Ukranian world did not happen that January.

Washington and Brussels can finance a billion dollars quite easily. I don't think the trade policy between Ukraine and Russia can be boiled down to it all being free gas for Ukraine either. You keep trying to paint this picture of Ukrainian dependence on Russia but I just see that as missing the point of Ukraine joining the EU and/or NATO.

[boutons_deux]

Russia warns EU of Ukraine gas shortage


Russia says there is a risk that gas shortages this winter could force Ukraine to siphon off supplies of Russian gas meant for EU customers.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28979642

[xeromass]

Today Slovakia started testing reverse flow on pipeline towards Ukraine. Ukraine can now import natural gas from EU.

In not so good news Ukraine announced electricity restrictions due to lack of coal/production capability - it's mostly in the east. 4 hours/day without power.

[baseline bum]

Putin has ridden the popular wave of nationalism from the population remembering "how it was" when they were a world power

Th-Z6le3bHA

[velik_m]

If it happened in 2009, then so what if it happens again? The end of the Ukranian world did not happen that January.

Washington and Brussels can finance a billion dollars quite easily. I don't think the trade policy between Ukraine and Russia can be boiled down to it all being free gas for Ukraine either. You keep trying to paint this picture of Ukrainian dependence on Russia but I just see that as missing the point of Ukraine joining the EU and/or NATO.

No the cut-off lasted less than three weeks, before they folded so the impact was not that great - oh and the people in charge lost the elections next year. I never said it's only about gas - they are also losing a big chunk of their market - and the products they sell to Russia cannot be sold in EU, if they could sell them to EU they would already be selling them in EU. The imported good from Russia will no doubt be replaced, but it will be more expensive goods instead of cheap russian crap. And Ukraine is nowhere near ready to join EU, it will take at least a decade to be ready and that's ignoring the current events (war and possible economic collapse). So to sum up the unemployment will rise, the wages will go down, the prices will go up and on top of that they will freeze their butts off. And you think a couple of billions will fix that and save their government?

The future of Ukraine was in joining EU, but they went about it in just about the worst possible way and sadly their people will pay/are already paying for mistakes of their leaders who tried to force the issue (probably with much encouraging from USA and their EU lackeys).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No the cut-off lasted less than three weeks, before they folded so the impact was not that great - oh and the people in charge lost the elections next year. I never said it's only about gas - they are also losing a big chunk of their market - and the products they sell to Russia cannot be sold in EU, if they could sell them to EU they would already be selling them in EU. The imported good from Russia will no doubt be replaced, but it will be more expensive goods instead of cheap russian crap. And Ukraine is nowhere near ready to join EU, it will take at least a decade to be ready and that's ignoring the current events (war and possible economic collapse). So to sum up the unemployment will rise, the wages will go down, the prices will go up and on top of that they will freeze their butts off. And you think a couple of billions will fix that and save their government?

The future of Ukraine was in joining EU, but they went about it in just about the worst possible way and sadly their people will pay/are already paying for mistakes of their leaders who tried to force the issue (probably with much encouraging from USA and their EU lackeys).

That works both ways. You act like Russian is not risking anything. 3 weeks in January didn't lead to the end of Ukrainian civilization. You

Ukraine has a large manufacturing base of their own. You act like no one else would buy them but Russia at their own cherry trade deal prices or that they are not selling what anywhere else. There is a big gap in your narrative and anytime there is one you fill it in with Russian supposed supremacy.

:lmao EU are US lackeys?

Your Russina pom poms are cute. Ukrainians still hate Russian invasions.

[TDMVPDPOY]

sanctions on russia dont do shit to them when the ppl wont stand up revolt

look at the stats like north kore, or axis of evil/commies...they seem to be dong well especially those into power held seats of govt...

[boutons_deux]

Russian President Vladimir Putin, Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko Reach Cease-Fire Agreementhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/03/russia-ukraine_n_5757090.html

This should REALLY piss off the war-loving wannabe Macho Men of ST and the Repugs.

[pgardn]

Russian President Vladimir Putin, Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko Reach Cease-Fire Agreement

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/03/russia-ukraine_n_5757090.html

This should REALLY piss off the war-loving wannabe Macho Men of ST and the Repugs.

Boots did you read it?
It means next to nothing.
Russia is accepting of a ceasefire because they are not involved? Seriously?
Just like Crimea was the people rising up, and then, it wasn't.
It is now a successful Russian land grab. Acknowledged by the Russians, NOW.

[Agloco]

But....but......Russia isn't directly involved!!

:lmao

[TeyshaBlue]

Boots did you read it?
It means next to nothing.
Russia is accepting of a ceasefire because they are not involved? Seriously?
Just like Crimea was the people rising up, and then, it wasn't.
It is now a successful Russian land grab. Acknowledged by the Russians, NOW.
This doesn't mean jack-shit to the separatists. They'll continue to do what they want with the weapons of the "uninvolved" Russians.
And no, facile cowards like boutons can rarely be bothered to read past a headline.

[boutons_deux]

the "truce" is being retracted, and the blood-thirsty, war-mongering, murderous American right-wingers are rejoicing.

[boutons_deux]

and what exactly do you right-wingers want the USA/EU to do in Ukraine?

We already know spending many $100Bs in hardware and training in Iraq did essentially nothing to build a solid Iraqi military. Is the Ukraine military any more credible?

Escalation by the West will certainly delay, or kill, any diplomatic resolution.

You schoolyard adolescents should stop playing "my dick is bigger than your dick" games with Putin, esp when it's not your dicks in front-line danger.

[xeromass]

Sorry, boutons but appeasement is not correct response to foreign policy goals of lying thug who supports far-right parties in Europe and USA. It wasn't in 1939 and it isn't in 2014.

[boutons_deux]

Sorry, boutons but appeasement is not correct response to foreign policy goals of lying thug who supports far-right parties in Europe and USA. It wasn't in 1939 and it isn't in 2014.

Putin will take control of eastern Ukraine/Russian ethnic areas, formally or de facto.

How many $100Bs and "other peoples' lives" do you want to waste to try to stop him?

1939? :lol

[velik_m]

That works both ways. You act like Russian is not risking anything. 3 weeks in January didn't lead to the end of Ukrainian civilization. You

Ukraine has a large manufacturing base of their own. You act like no one else would buy them but Russia at their own cherry trade deal prices or that they are not selling what anywhere else. There is a big gap in your narrative and anytime there is one you fill it in with Russian supposed supremacy.

:lmao EU are US lackeys?

Your Russina pom poms are cute. Ukrainians still hate Russian invasions.

I never said it will not affect Russia, it most certainly will - this very thread started with the news that it had, but Russia is a bit bigger economically and not so dependant on Ukraine and they have a better chance of surviving the conflict. Who would buy Ukrainian crap and why are they not selling to them now? EU has a lot of standards and regulations that are not easy to adhere to. For many things (like food) selling stuff in EU is not a simple proposition.

I may have gone overboard with accusing the EU leaders of being lackeys, but the unity of EU countries when we can barely agree on anything to me clearly shows a lot of pressure is being applied to keep everyone in line - and that kind of pressure can only be applied by USA. Further i'm worried by the actions of USA+Europe that are designed to escalate the conflict not defuse. I worry because Russia is one of Slovenia's main export targets and we're still digging out of recession - if this goes any further we may soon need some of those billions.

I don't see where i had my russian pom-poms out. I simply stated that i believe if there is the confict is not resolved until winter the Ukraine government will fall. It's a prediction, if i predict USA will trump Slovenia in basketball, am i rooting for USA? Ukrainians may hate russians, but they will hate the cold more.

In other news:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/02/ukraine-crisis-imf-idUSL1N0R30X120140902


Ukraine may need as much as $19 billion in additional funds from donors if its conflict with pro-Russian separatists continues during 2015, the International Monetary Fund warned on Tuesday.

Even under Kiev's current $17 billion IMF bailout, the Fund said Ukraine will not be able to meet all of its targets due to the ongoing fighting and an intensified gas dispute with Russia, which supplies the bulk of Ukraine's natural gas needs.

...

In a detailed review of Ukraine's progress and the state of its economy, the IMF painted a dire picture of a country trying to reform everything from banking management to the legal system, while also boosting spending on fighting in the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk.

Those regions together accounted for 23 percent of Ukraine's industrial production and 14.5 percent of its retail trade in the first quarter. The IMF said it expects gross domestic product in eastern Ukraine to decline by 15 to 20 percent this year, compared to a 6.5 percent decline for the country as a whole.

[velik_m]

Sorry, boutons but appeasement is not correct response to foreign policy goals of lying thug who supports far-right parties in Europe and USA. It wasn't in 1939 and it isn't in 2014.

I'm confused. To who do you reffer here as thugs supporting far-right parties? Because Svoboda which is in Ukraine gorenment is anti-semitic and about as far right as possible.

[xeromass]

To Russia. Ukraine certainly has far-right, like any other European country, but its prominence has been strongly overblown by Russian propaganda. In USA it's mostly circle around Ron Paul that is on Russia's pay-list.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UhUK8VDTQ3Y/UzYjlo3_etI/AAAAAAAABXY/K0rCMFVnnMQ/s1600/roma-sta-con-putin.jpg

Six Italian far right groups have sponsored the posters saying "Rome is with Putin" and "Obama is an unwelcome guest": Roma Nord, Movimento Sociale Europeo, Contro Tempo, XX Flotta, Comunità Militante Formello, Ostia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/21/world/europe/europes-far-right-looks-to-russia-as-a-guiding-force.html?hp&_r=0

Hungary’s Jobbik, one of Europe’s most extreme nationalist parties and a noisy cheerleader for Moscow, is now under investigation by the Hungarian authorities amid allegations that it has received funding from Russia and, in a case involving one of its leading candidates for the European Parliament, that it has worked for Russian intelligence.

“Russia has become the hope of the world against new totalitarianism,” Mr. Chauprade, the National Front’s top European Parliament candidate for the Paris region, said in a speech to Russia’s Parliament in Moscow last year.

When Crimea held a referendum in March on whether the peninsula should secede from Ukraine and join Russia, Mr. Chauprade joined a team of election monitors organized by a pro-Russian outfit in Belgium, the Eurasian Observatory for Elections and Democracy. The team, which pronounced the referendum free and fair, also included members of Austria’s far-right Freedom Party; a Flemish nationalist group in Belgium; and the Jobbik politician in Hungary accused of spying for Russia.

Luc Michel, the Belgian head of the Eurasian Observatory, which receives some financial support from Russian companies but promotes itself as independent and apolitical, champions the establishment of a new “Eurasian” alliance, stretching from Vladivostok in Russia to Lisbon in Portugal and purged of American influence. The National Front, preoccupied with recovering sovereign powers surrendered to Brussels, has shown little enthusiasm for a new Eurasian bloc. But it, too, bristles at Europe’s failure to project itself as a global player independent from America, and looks to Russia for help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Michel
Luc Michel (born 1958) is a far-right Belgian political activist and supporter of the ideas of the Nazi-collaborator Jean-François Thiriart (having been his personal secretary). He is the current leader and founder of the Parti Communautaire National-Européen as well as a former member of the néo-nazi movement Fédération d'action nationaliste et européenne.

And this blog as a whole:

http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.co.uk/

[xeromass]

Yes, 1939. Telegraph reprinted an article first published on 4th September 1939

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/6086350/4TH-SEPT-World-War-2-Britain-takes-up-the-Nazi-Challenge-to-save-liberty-itselfWor.html

To the last hour the German Government has maintained the lying propaganda by which it can no longer hope to deceive the opinion of the world. In the reply to the British ultimatum it is stated that “the British Government nullified all German attempts at a peaceful settlement,” although the effort to bring about reasonable negotiation has persisted to a point that alarmed public opinion everywhere. Equally false to every known fact it the allegation that the British Government approved and encouraged the Polish steps, whatever these are alleged to be, against Danzig and the German minority. In these matters the truth is on record and beyond argument; it would be to give too much credit to German belief in the sincerity of its own cause to recite again the stages by which the attack on a weaker nation has been deliberately prepared and launched with cold calculation of the most favourable moment. The world will judge – the patience on the one side in face of extreme provocation, the brutal determination on the other to achieve its ends without compunction or regard for any of the conventions that make international consultations tolerable.


Sounds familiar?

[Leetonidas]

Russia getting Reagan'd again :lol

[RandomGuy]

Russian rouble falls to new low on sanctions threat

The Russian rouble fell to a record low against the dollar as investors fear further sanctions against the nation.

The rouble fell to 37.03 per dollar on Friday, its worst valuation since the currency was restructured in 1998.

More: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28986360

---------------

:lmao Spurstalk armchair economists proclaiming Russia's invincibility

:lmao Russia is independent and will be fine economically

:lmao Putin is playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers

:lmao Sanctions will do nothing to affect Russia's economy

EU will take a step further.
http://news.yahoo.com/eu-assesses-sports-sanctions-against-russia-092136538--finance.html

As will the US.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/03/ukraine-crisis-sanctions-usa-idINL5N0R43M620140903

Even France, which has been thus far un willing to give up the billions of dollars for the ships it has promised Russia has decided that Russia has gone too far.
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20140903/API/309039775?Title=France-suspends-delivery-of-warship-to-Russia

Overall, I would agree with the Economist.
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21611141-vladimir-putin-pretends-he-can-make-russia-self-sufficient-and-strong-how-lose-friends


The Kremlin proudly claims it will aim to replace Western goods and services with domestic ones, for instance in high-tech parts for the arms industry. Import substitution could work if manufacturers weren’t running at near-full capacity and in dire need of new investment, which will be in shorter supply as foreign financing shrinks. The country’s $173 billion in sovereign-wealth funds, built up over years of windfall profits from oil sales, will be drawn down to stabilise the rouble and pay off the debts of state banks and firms. “It won’t kill us, but it will create problems,” says the United Russia deputy.

This recent comment was of the recent lock on short term financing. The next steps will likely be far harsher.

Putin has gone on and taken steps to arguably make his own people's lives worse off, and when ordinary Russians find out just how badly they have been lied to, Putin's reputation will be badly damaged.

[velik_m]

Putin has gone on and taken steps to arguably make his own people's lives worse off, and when ordinary Russians find out just how badly they have been lied to, Putin's reputation will be badly damaged.

What i don't understand is what is the end game? What if Putin's Russia collapses? Does he start nuking in the attempt to remain in power? Or do we see a total collapse ala soviet union 2.0 and everyone is panicking, because massive amounts of weapons are floding the hot spots around the world? What is to be gained by pushing Russia's regime on the edge, by putting them in a no win scenario? Russia is weak but they still has some teeth and nothing is more dangerous than a scared and cornered animal.

[velik_m]

To Russia. Ukraine certainly has far-right, like any other European country, but its prominence has been strongly overblown by Russian propaganda. In USA it's mostly circle around Ron Paul that is on Russia's pay-list.

Oh, i have no doubt the far right are cheering Putin, you see it on this very site daily. They are a fringe and by tying themselfs to Putin they hope to gain credibility and validation of their ideas. They are dumb and no doubt Russian propaganda machine is trying to take advantage of them.

I disagree with overblown prominence, being in the goverment - one that is supported by all of EU and USA - gives far more legitimacy and promotion to their ideas than some state sponsoring some fringe groups.

Which european countries also have anti-semitic, far-right parties in government? (i ask this sincerly, as i generally don't follow other eu countries internal politics that closely i know hungary has strongly right wing government, but as far as i'm aware not far-right, also Austria had Haider - but that's in the past, maybe belgium?).

[hater]

Has russia colapsed yet?

:lol

[Cry Havoc]

Has russia colapsed yet?

:lol

You knock those strawmen down! Knock em all down!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I never said it will not affect Russia, it most certainly will - this very thread started with the news that it had, but Russia is a bit bigger economically and not so dependant on Ukraine and they have a better chance of surviving the conflict. Who would buy Ukrainian crap and why are they not selling to them now? EU has a lot of standards and regulations that are not easy to adhere to. For many things (like food) selling stuff in EU is not a simple proposition.

I may have gone overboard with accusing the EU leaders of being lackeys, but the unity of EU countries when we can barely agree on anything to me clearly shows a lot of pressure is being applied to keep everyone in line - and that kind of pressure can only be applied by USA. Further i'm worried by the actions of USA+Europe that are designed to escalate the conflict not defuse. I worry because Russia is one of Slovenia's main export targets and we're still digging out of recession - if this goes any further we may soon need some of those billions.

I don't see where i had my russian pom-poms out. I simply stated that i believe if there is the confict is not resolved until winter the Ukraine government will fall. It's a prediction, if i predict USA will trump Slovenia in basketball, am i rooting for USA? Ukrainians may hate russians, but they will hate the cold more.

In other news:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/02/ukraine-crisis-imf-idUSL1N0R30X120140902

You give an article indicating the IMF understands their current economic difficulty and sympathizes with it. You think that supports this notion that they won't continue to extend them credit?

I don't really care about the current Ukrainian leader. i am looking at the nation state and a whole and if the PM is deposed, i don't see them replacing him with someone more pro-Russian. The government didn't collapse and there was no humanitarian crisis when the Russians shut off the gas in the middle of winter for a month a few years ago.

You are fearmongering and assuming every attempt at leverage the Russians use will be effective.

[pgardn]

Oh, i have no doubt the far right are cheering Putin, you see it on this very site daily. They are a fringe and by tying themselfs to Putin they hope to gain credibility and validation of their ideas. They are dumb and no doubt Russian propaganda machine is trying to take advantage of them.

I disagree with overblown prominence, being in the goverment - one that is supported by all of EU and USA - gives far more legitimacy and promotion to their ideas than some state sponsoring some fringe groups.

Which european countries also have anti-semitic, far-right parties in government? (i ask this sincerly, as i generally don't follow other eu countries internal politics that closely i know hungary has strongly right wing government, but as far as i'm aware not far-right, also Austria had Haider - but that's in the past, maybe belgium?).

France under Marine Le Pen. She is attempting to mask it, it's her father's old group. Many of the Western European right saw gains in most recent elections or polls. They have even tried to form alliances. The French/Dutch attempt fell flat on its face, mostly due to big differences in goals. Most of the uproar in seemingly all far right Western Euro parties appears to be immigrants and jobs. But then they part ways on other important issues.

Der Speigel had some very good stuff on this about 2 months ago.

[m>s]

France under Marine Le Pen. She is attempting to mask it, it's her father's old group. Many of the Western European right saw gains in most recent elections or polls. They have even tried to form alliances. The French/Dutch attempt fell flat on its face, mostly due to big differences in goals. Most of the uproar in seemingly all far right Western Euro parties appears to be immigrants and jobs. But then they part ways on other important issues.

Der Speigel had some very good stuff on this about 2 months ago.
you're damn right, mother europa will be reborn and there's literally nothing that you can do to stop the flood. me and my comrades will soon be marching down the streets and you'll have to run and hide.

[pgardn]

you're damn right, mother europa will be reborn and there's literally nothing that you can do to stop the flood. me and my comrades will soon be marching down the streets and you'll have to run and hide.

ebb and flow...

Mother Europa. You think it's all white.
Sorry to disappoint you, it's not.

[m>s]

ebb and flow...

Mother Europa. You think it's all white.
Sorry to disappoint you, it's not.
Europe is white land and all non whites will be brutally purged soon. No mercy for any invaders, swiftly executed and their shitty bodies left for the buzzards.

[velik_m]

France under Marine Le Pen. She is attempting to mask it, it's her father's old group. Many of the Western European right saw gains in most recent elections or polls. They have even tried to form alliances. The French/Dutch attempt fell flat on its face, mostly due to big differences in goals. Most of the uproar in seemingly all far right Western Euro parties appears to be immigrants and jobs. But then they part ways on other important issues.

Der Speigel had some very good stuff on this about 2 months ago.

Le Pen as far as i know is not in the government. The rise of far right in Europe is worrying though not unexpected given the economic troubles we had. Yes, most nationalistic parties have conflicting goals (for obvious reasons) it why they have a trouble forming international alliances unlike the communists. It's hard to pretend you're superior to other people and then accept them as equal partners. :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

http://www.theage.com.au/world/france-halts-delivery-of-warship-to-russia-20140904-10ca8v.html

lol these french faggots have a proven record of alot of losss war battles, trying to act tough against russians....

russians aint like the germans who will accept ur surrender and will do what hitler failed to do; bomb the shit out of ur shitty monuments of paris...

[m>s]

Le Pen as far as i know is not in the government. The rise of far right in Europe is worrying though not unexpected given the economic troubles we had. Yes, most nationalistic parties have conflicting goals (for obvious reasons) it why they have a trouble forming international alliances unlike the communists. It's hard to pretend you're superior to other people and then accept them as equal partners. :lol
Worrying why?

a true nationalist doesn't think they're "better" than anyone, they're just taking care of their own. The goal is for a world full of independent nationalist states to eliminate ethnic tensions and everyone elevate themselves for the good of their people. This is a misconception, we know that the a Waffen SS was the most ethnically diverse fighting force that ever existed.

[Infinite_limit]

Europe is white land and all non whites will be brutally purged soon. No mercy for any invaders, swiftly executed and their shitty bodies left for the buzzards.
Amen

[velik_m]

Worrying why?

a true nationalist doesn't think they're "better" than anyone, they're just taking care of their own. The goal is for a world full of independent nationalist states to eliminate ethnic tensions and everyone elevate themselves for the good of their people. This is a misconception, we know that the a Waffen SS was the most ethnically diverse fighting force that ever existed.

lol, you haven't met any european nationalists, have you? Foreigners are not the problem, they're just scape goats. That's why solving this "problem" solves nothing and the nationalists then just need another marginal group to blame. What do you think a nationalist italian state means for Slovenian minority in Italy - and how do you think proud Slovenian nationalists feel about that? And vice versa with Italian minority in Slovenia? And this is far from unique situation in Europe or indeed the world. The whole notion of national purity is dumb and stupid and any person with two functioning brain cells can see this.

[m>s]

lol, you haven't met any european nationalists, have you? Foreigners are not the problem, they're just scape goats. That's why solving this "problem" solves nothing and the nationalists then just need another marginal group to blame. What do you think a nationalist italian state means for Slovenian minority in Italy - and how do you think proud Slovenian nationalists feel about that? And vice versa with Italian minority in Slovenia? And this is far from unique situation in Europe or indeed the world. The whole notion of national purity is dumb and stupid and any person with two functioning brain cells can see this.
Except immigrants are a problem, they might not be the only problem but their being in our homelands threatens to eventually displace us. Look no further than the UK where they were caught raping our children on a mass scale. Promoting multiculturalism is promoting genocide against whites. If you were a true supporter of diversity then you would seek to preserve that by allowing every people to have a homeland.

Why couldn't a Slovenian just move to Slovenia? Besides, a person who is racially aware shouldn't be threatened by someone who is another white ethnicity. For the first time ever all of Europe will be united because our survival depends on it where before it was always about power and greed.

[Cry Havoc]

Except immigrants are a problem, they might not be the only problem but their being in our homelands threatens to eventually displace us. Look no further than the UK where they were caught raping our children on a mass scale. Promoting multiculturalism is promoting genocide against whites. If you were a true supporter of diversity then you would seek to preserve that by allowing every people to have a homeland.

Why couldn't a Slovenian just move to Slovenia? Besides, a person who is racially aware shouldn't be threatened by someone who is another white ethnicity. For the first time ever all of Europe will be united because our survival depends on it where before it was always about power and greed.

Really hope you're trolling.

[TDMVPDPOY]

ms has a point about immigrants

those who come legally or illegally seek a better life then the shit hole where they come from, only not to contribute to society then playing the blame game cause nobody will give them an opportunity, then they go and turn their new country into a shithole for everyone

[velik_m]

Except immigrants are a problem, they might not be the only problem but their being in our homelands threatens to eventually displace us. Look no further than the UK where they were caught raping our children on a mass scale. Promoting multiculturalism is promoting genocide against whites. If you were a true supporter of diversity then you would seek to preserve that by allowing every people to have a homeland.

Why couldn't a Slovenian just move to Slovenia? Besides, a person who is racially aware shouldn't be threatened by someone who is another white ethnicity. For the first time ever all of Europe will be united because our survival depends on it where before it was always about power and greed.


Why would Slovenian move to Slovenia from their land on which they literally lived for a millenia, just so they can satisfy the idea of a pure nation of a nation that barely exists for 150 years? I see you're not much into personal and property rights.

People who dislike other "races" because the are different dislike other "different" minorities - religous, ethnic whatever - there will always be someone who's guilty for all their troubles. Dumb people are dumb. The European nationalists always dream of the glory days of their nation when they we're at the height of their power (before all those damn foreigners) and this height of their nation tends to conflict with other nation's height of power at different time in history. But i'm sure the Croatian and Serbian nationalists can't wait to unite, last time they we're both in power was so pleasant for their people.

How did immigrants cause the economic troubles in Slovenia (or Greece or Ireland for that matter)? Please, be specific, i would like to have someone to blame for our fuck-ups...

[pgardn]

Le Pen as far as i know is not in the government. The rise of far right in Europe is worrying though not unexpected given the economic troubles we had. Yes, most nationalistic parties have conflicting goals (for obvious reasons) it why they have a trouble forming international alliances unlike the communists. It's hard to pretend you're superior to other people and then accept them as equal partners. :lol

She is the leader of the 3rd largest party in France and it's growing. She has taken the Front National and made them palatable. Under daddy they were a freak show. She also just criticized France's decision to hold up on giving the Russians their ordered warship.

Yes Russia,in all its glory, has to order billion dollar warships from the West. Laughable.

[velik_m]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29912055


Ukraine crisis: Children die in Donetsk shelling

...
Russian state-owned gas giant Gazprom said it had received $1.54bn (£970m; €1.2bn) from Ukraine's Naftogaz, the first instalment of a $3.1bn payment of debt for gas dating back to late last year. Ukraine's gas supplies were turned off in June in a row over unpaid bills and a sharp increase in gas prices.
...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29912055

Where were you when the Russians agreed to continue supplying natural gas over the winter?

[velik_m]

Where were you when the Russians agreed to continue supplying natural gas over the winter?

I was not paying attention? Honestly i didn't have much interest in the conflict once things kind of settled a bit, i just found this piece of info interesting (which was all over our news), because it shows how dependant the Ukraines are on Russian gas. This is a deal both parties really need, hopefully it leads to a more peaceful future, though i fear it just a temporary deal, and things will flair back up in the spring.

[xeromass]

Yes Russia,in all its glory, has to order billion dollar warships from the West. Laughable.

It's even worse. They're buying electronics for their tanks (optics, ballistic computers, etc.) in France.

http://vesti7.ru/vh?cid=871640

These are news on 1st channel of Russian state TV. Interesting part is from 6:30 on. They're climbing over some T-72 with Ukrainian id stripes and complaining about bunch of western electronics in it. Those European faggots collaborating with Ukrainian fascist junta.

Only problem? It's T-72B3 modernization which went operative in autumn 2013 and is used exclusively by Russian military. It must have been captured by ukies at some time and then left behind. Another proof of regular Russian army taking part in combat.

This is description of such, perhaps even the same incident:

https://burkonews.info/story-colonel-evgeniy-sidorenko-broke-ilovaisk-russian-t-72-tank/

[Cry Havoc]

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-ruble-falls-lows-rapid-slide-170311974.html

Moscow (AFP) - The ruble on Thursday slid to new lows of over 46 to the dollar and 58 to the euro, which gained more than two rubles in one day.

The euro reached 58.11 rubles after the market closed Thursday, up from 56.08 rubles the previous evening. The dollar rose to 46.77 rubles from 44.95 rubles late Wednesday.

The Russian currency has fallen in value by about a quarter this year despite a number of interventions by the central bank costing billions of dollars.

The slide has been more intense over the past month amid falling oil prices, which provide the Russian budget with the majority of its revenue.

The former deputy minister and current chief economist for Vneshekonombank, Andrei Klepach, said this week that Russia might as well "learn to live with" the falling ruble, adding that its current loss also has to do with the economy's enormous capital flight.

"If it weren't for capital flight, the rate would be around 35-36 rubles to the dollar," he told Gazeta.ru.

The currency has been hit hard by plunging oil prices and also the consequences of Western sanctions against Moscow over its conduct in the separatist insurgency in eastern Ukraine and its growing international isolation.


:lmao Invincible Russia.

[m>s]

yeah well russia doesn't want to completely destroy it's people with multiculturalism and they are fighting a leviathan in the international banker cartel, similar to the struggle the germans faced in the late 30's. of course the sanctions hurt, international finance is conspiring yet again to destroy a sovereign nation and bring it to it's knees.

good goy, cheer for the destruction of europe while you get NSA, ebola, a shitty economy, the illegal hordes pouring in and bringing diseases like chagas disease, and constantly told how bad and evil white people are through the jew media and hollywood each and every day

[Cry Havoc]

yeah well russia doesn't want to completely destroy it's people with multiculturalism and they are fighting a leviathan in the international banker cartel, similar to the struggle the germans faced in the late 30's. of course the sanctions hurt, international finance is conspiring yet again to destroy a sovereign nation and bring it to it's knees.

good goy, cheer for the destruction of europe while you get NSA, ebola, a shitty economy, the illegal hordes pouring in and bringing diseases like chagas disease, and constantly told how bad and evil white people are through the jew media and hollywood each and every day

:lmao

Not worth actually responding to, just laughing to. That might be the whiniest post in the history of this forum, and that's saying something.

:lmao

Pretending Russia is a monocultural state.

[Cry Havoc]

:cry Russia has it so hard when they invade other countries with no authorization. :cry

[m>s]

You'd have a hard time explaining
to me which country russia has invaded

And the reason that you don't respond to any of the above is because you can't, it is all true

[ChumpDumper]

Russia invaded Georgia and the Ukraine.

That was easy.

When are you leaving the US?

[Cry Havoc]

You'd have a hard time explaining
to me which country russia has invaded

And the reason that you don't respond to any of the above is because you can't, it is all true

Fingers in ears, whining all the way. It must be shameful to be so willfully ignorant.

[m>s]

Russia invaded Georgia and the Ukraine.

That was easy.

When are you leaving the US?

georgia attacked russia, Russia squashed it and then left. They should've annexed the country but the Russians are merciful.

russian troops aren't invading the ukraine, go away poroshenko

that was easy, when are you going to leave behind being such a cuck?

[Cry Havoc]

russian troops aren't invading the ukraine, go away poroshenko

You're stupid. You're actually just an incredibly stupid individual. Enjoy living with that.

[m>s]

Ethnic russian rebels in the far eastern Ukraine are rebelling and being supplied by Russia, that isn't the same thing

[m>s]

So far all you got is the usual "you're stupid, I'm right Youre wrong" childish attacks

oh and my favorite "that doesn't even deserve a response" when you know damn well you had no response and chump had to come back you up

[angrydude]

You're stupid. You're actually just an incredibly stupid individual. Enjoy living with that.

I don't get your point. The US doesn't have clean hands in Ukraine either but I don't see you cheering on its destruction.

International politics is more complicated than CNN, or huffington post tells you it is. It also isn't a basketball game where you want winners and losers. You want everyone to get along.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't get your point. The US doesn't have clean hands in Ukraine either but I don't see you cheering on its destruction.

International politics is more complicated than CNN, or huffington post tells you it is. It also isn't a basketball game where you want winners and losers. You want everyone to get along.

What 'dirty hands?' I read foriegn policy, foreign affairs, CSM, al-jazeera, the economist, and my fluff in reuters. WTF do you have us doing to conflate with sending in multiple armored columns of Russian troops and then lying about it?

[m>s]

:lmao multiple armed columns of russian troops

hilarious, tell me more