Is Eli done?

[IronMexican]

I didn't believe it after last season. The Giants were a year removed from returning champs. But after playing bad all last season, and looking the same today, the question now becomes a lot more interesting.

[HI-FI]

I think Coughlin will be gone after this season. I'd be shocked if Eli is gone as well.

[Aztecfan03]

Eli has never been very good but now he is terrible.

[AlexJones]

More reason to believe the ring count argument is the worst take in all of sports.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

More reason to believe the ring count argument is the worst take in all of sports.

Nah. He was clutch then.

[Chris]

I hate Eli but he earned both those rings along with elite defensive lines

[Infinite_limit]

I hate Eli but he earned both those rings along with elite defensive lines
He got bombarded in the 2011 NFC Title Game but kept stepping in

[tlongII]

No O-line.

[Avante]

Oh hell yes...one...game told us that.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

Oh hell yes...one...game told us that.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how about the entirety of last season, dummy

[Avante]

how about the entirety of last season, dummy

Eli beat Detroit...in...Detroit last season dummy! They went...7-3 the second half dummy.

[spurraider21]

Eli beat Detroit...in...Detroit last season dummy! They went...7-3 the second half dummy.
18 TD's and 27 INT's for the season while only completing 57.5% of his passes

[Avante]

18 TD's and 27 INT's for the season while only completing 57.5% of his passes

And Andrew Luck has a career completion % of 57.4.

You do know that most of Eli's INT's were in that first half of the season...right?

[spurraider21]

he threw 15 picks and 10 touchdowns in the first 8 games (2,167 yards) while throwing 12 picks and 7 touchdowns in the last 8 (1,651 yards)

his TD/INT ratio was actually higher in the first 8 games

[Avante]

he threw 15 picks and 10 touchdowns in the first 8 games (2,167 yards) while throwing 12 picks and 7 touchdowns in the last 8 (1,651 yards)

his TD/INT ratio was actually higher in the first 8 games

I wasn't talking about ratio, he threw most his INT's in the first half as I said,

Why ignore the Andrew Luck comparision?

[spurraider21]

I wasn't talking about ratio, he threw most his INT's in the first half as I said,
i wasn't disagreeing with you, just putting it all into context. he threw less INT's because he stopped throwing the ball, as evidenced by less touchdowns and yards. it goes to show that they weren't winning because he was playing better. he was awful when they were losing early in the year AND when they were winning games late in the year.

[Raven]

He always played behind dominant olines. Now its harder, and really he never put up that many points...

[Avante]

i wasn't disagreeing with you, just putting it all into context. he threw less INT's because he stopped throwing the ball, as evidenced by less touchdowns and yards. it goes to show that they weren't winning because he was playing better. he was awful when they were losing early in the year AND when they were winning games late in the year.

Don't be a rookie, ok? Give it some time, I'd think you'd know this. Think guy...ok?

What if he has a big game next week, what....he's back...hahahaha!!!!!!!!! Stop acting like a dumb kid over...one...week.

[spurraider21]

Don't be a rookie, ok? Give it some time, I'd think you'd know this. Think guy...ok?

What if he has a big game next week, what....he's back...hahahaha!!!!!!!!! Stop acting like a dumb kid over...one...week.
dont be a rookie? all i told you was he had a terrible year last year. you tried to bring up his fewer picks in the 2nd half of the season and i explained why those numbers were misleading. how is that being a rookie

[Avante]

dont be a rookie? all i told you was he had a terrible year last year. you tried to bring up his fewer picks in the 2nd half of the season and i explained why those numbers were misleading. how is that being a rookie

In earlier posts you gave the impression that you were making a judgement based on.....one.....game.

Remember Timmy Smith in the SB, hell he looked like Jim Brown. What happened after that..."one"...game?

[spurraider21]

In earlier posts you gave the impression that you were making a judgement based on.....one.....game.

Remember Timmy Smith in the SB, hell he looked like Jim Brown. What happened after that..."one"...game?
no, no. i never gave that impression. you just misunderstood and are dancing around the issue. he was god awful last year, and laid an egg tonight after a terrible preseason

[Avante]

no, no. i never gave that impression. you just misunderstood and are dancing around the issue. he was god awful last year, and laid an egg tonight after a terrible preseason

Preseason....haha!!!

What kind of season did Rivers have in 2012? How about the following year?

Dude, give things some time...ok?

Then there's this sucky QB....

51.9 completion %
70.9 passer rating life time
212 tds
210 INTS

....what a failure. Terry Bradshaw 4 time SB winner/Hall of Famer.

[spurraider21]

Preseason....haha!!!

What kind of season did Rivers have in 2012? How about the following year?

Dude, give things some time...ok?

Then there's this sucky QB....

51.9 completion %
70.9 passer rating life time
212 tds
210 INTS

....what a failure. Terry Bradshaw 4 time SB winner/Hall of Famer.
comparing passing stats from the 70's NFL to todays? hahahahahahahahaha!

ur kinda slow, aren't ya fella

[Avante]

comparing passing stats from the 70's NFL to todays? hahahahahahahahaha!

ur kinda slow, aren't ya fella


Only once in his career has Eli thrown more times than 572 which is what Fran Tarkenton had , yep...70's.

You........talking about people being slow.....hahaha!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

Only once in his career has Eli thrown more times than 572 which is what Fran Tarkenton had , yep...70's.

You........talking about people being slow.....hahaha!!!!!!!!!!
this list shows every 4,000 yard passing season in NFL history, and doesn't include the recent 2013 season which had 9 more.

taking last season into account, there have been 119 campaigns of 4,000 yards or more. 38 of them came before the year 2000. the other 81 have come since 2000. you go with the exception, i'll go with the rule

http://www.sportscity.com/nfl/records/single-season-passing-leaders/

[Avante]

this list shows every 4,000 yard passing season in NFL history, and doesn't include the recent 2013 season which had 9 more.

taking last season into account, there have been 119 campaigns of 4,000 yards or more. 38 of them came before the year 2000. the other 81 have come since 2000. you go with the exception, i'll go with the rule

http://www.sportscity.com/nfl/records/single-season-passing-leaders/

Ah.....talking Eli Manning....ok?

[spurraider21]

Ah.....talking Eli Manning....ok?
you brought up Terry Bradshaw as a point of comparison to show a good qb can have poor stats. you are comparing 70's passing stats the the 2010's which is just wrong on several levels

[Jeff Van Gundy]

Remember when spurraider and avante were friends? Lulz

[Avante]

you brought up Terry Bradshaw as a point of comparison to show a good qb can have poor stats. you are comparing 70's passing stats the the 2010's which is just wrong on several levels

Shaking my head....

I was comparing Bradshaw to his era not todays game, that really wasn't obvious? Come on man....sheesh! Do you really think I think it's the same game................wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

Shaking my head....

I was comparing Bradshaw to his era not todays game, that really wasn't obvious? Come on man....sheesh! Do you really think I think it's the same game................wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
liar. who in his era did you compare him to? you would need a second sample to call it a "comparison"

[Avante]

liar. who in his era did you compare him to? you would need a second sample to call it a "comparison"

Are you really as dense as you appear....wow!!!!! Dude, how in the hell does anyone compare Terry Bradshaw to todays QB,s hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! That went....zooooooooooooooooommmm....right over your head, I should have known better.

Dude....wow~~~~~

[spurraider21]

Dude, how in the hell does anyone compare Terry Bradshaw to todays QB,s hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
that was my question exactly. and now you're backpedaling.

[Avante]

that was my question exactly. and now you're backpedaling.


Dude, are you really this damn dense?

I'll go slow...

Bradshaw was stat shit in his day, but won 4 SB's and is in the HOF. So maybe stats don't always tell the best story...OK OK OK?

Amazing!

[spurraider21]

Dude, are you really this damn dense?

I'll go slow...

Bradshaw was stat shit in his day, but won 4 SB's and is in the HOF. So maybe stats don't always tell the best story...OK OK OK?

Amazing!
stats tell the story. look at that team's defensive stats and Franco Harris's stats. its sorta like today's seahawks except Wilson actually has good numbers

[Avante]

stats tell the story. look at that team's defensive stats and Franco Harris's stats. its sorta like today's seahawks except Wilson actually has good numbers

Andrew Luck throws three bad passes, yep....INTS. All on him.

Andrew Luck throws three more INTS the following week. One his arm was hit, another one his receiver had it right in his hands, fumbled it to a defender, the last one was a perfect throw, receiver falls down.

Totally different circumstances there but the stats don't tell us that.

[spurraider21]

Andrew Luck throws three bad passes, yep....INTS. All on him.

Andrew Luck throws three more INTS the following week. One his arm was hit, another one his receiver had it right in his hands, fumbled it to a defender, the last one was a perfect throw, receiver falls down.

Totally different circumstances there but the stats don't tell us that.
luck's turnovers have been costly though... and he doesn't have a defense/running game like bradshaw to make up for it

[DPG21920]

Eli looks really bad. Reminds me of a catcher that gets the yips in baseball & can't throw it back to the pitcher.

[Avante]

Eli looks really bad. Reminds me of a catcher that gets the yips in baseball & can't throw it back to the pitcher.

I bragged about Terrance West, he has a weak preseason. Here comes ClipperFaggot..."hahahaha..Terrance West"...week one West gains a 100 yards with a 6.4 average. ClipperFaggot doesn't wanna talk about it....hahahaha!!!!!!!

This is no different.

[DPG21920]

I bragged about Terrance West, he has a weak preseason. Here comes ClipperFaggot..."hahahaha..Terrance West"...week one West gains a 100 yards with a 6.4 average. ClipperFaggot doesn't wanna talk about it....hahahaha!!!!!!!

This is no different.

Except we have an entire year (last year) with Eli throwing the picks. It's not just one game. It's a continuation of a very bad season

[Clipper Nation]

I bragged about Terrance West, he has a weak preseason. Here comes ClipperFaggot..."hahahaha..Terrance West"...week one West gains a 100 yards with a 6.4 average. ClipperFaggot doesn't wanna talk about it....hahahaha!!!!!!!

This is no different.
I have no idea what you're talking about, it was your dick-sucking of Dri Archer that I made fun of you for, and he promptly sprained his ankle and didn't do shit this week :lol

[Avante]

I have no idea what you're talking about, it was your dick-sucking of Dri Archer that I made fun of you for, and he promptly sprained his ankle and didn't do shit this week :lol

My bad I got my dummies mixed up, it was Blake,

Well hell, if he didn't do anything last week he sucks....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!! Dude, nobody should be that dumb.

[Avante]

Anyone still think Eli is done?

[Blake]

I bragged about Terrance West, he has a weak preseason. Here comes ClipperFaggot..."hahahaha..Terrance West"...week one West gains a 100 yards with a 6.4 average. ClipperFaggot doesn't wanna talk about it....hahahaha!!!!!!!

This is no different.

How's that Terrance West doing these days?

Lol Avante

[lefty]

PriceToDaugherty !

[Avante]

How's that Terrance West doing these days?

Lol Avante

Ya mean that guy who had a 100 yards in his first game?