Ratings for the Spurs in 2k15 released

[SpursFan86]

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Top 5:

1) Duncan - 90
2) Parker - 88
3) Kawhi - 85
4) Manu - 83
5) Green and Diaw - 78

Kinda weird how Manu went down after last season, while Duncan went up. Anyways, looks like mostly everyone got a bump besides Manu.

[ElNono]

Splitter underrated per par

[SpursFan86]

Splitter underrated per par

Belinelli's increase should've gone to Splitter tbh. Belinelli doesn't really deserve a 75.

[r0drig0lac]

nice ratings

[look_at_g_shred]

Corey Joseph dunk = 99 haha

[Seventyniner]

Duncan @90, 'bout damn time. An individual score usually underrates team defensive impact.

[SpursFan86]

Duncan @90, 'bout damn time. An individual score usually underrates team defensive impact.

Ehh honestly, Duncan at 90 is a bit high. IIRC, 2k came out and said that only 4 players will be rated above 90 in this year's game. So that makes Duncan tied for 5th best player in the game at worst lol. I'm not complaining since I'll be using the Spurs, but yeah.

[spursparker9]

lol Timmy at the 90s range at 38 years old is pretty impressive.

[Galileo]

I have no idea what these ratings mean. But given that the 2014 Spurs were the most dominating team in NBA playoff history, I can see why Duncan and his boys got high ratings.

[Dunc n Dave]

I read an article about 2k15 that said they revamped the rating system, so there's gonna be some differences. Ratings are no longer generic for all players, they are based on the position they play. So a 90 PF is different froma 90 rated SG, as they use different formulas for each position now. Can't really compare this year'
s ratings to last year's...

[Dunc n Dave]

Here's the article about the new player ratings formula... Mike is one of the game developers.. His comments about the rating system are in italics

http://www.operationsports.com/news/759857/revamped-overall-formula-for-nba-2k15-player-ratings-explained/



As NBA 2K15 Overall ratings are released, I think it is important to point out that NBA 2K15 will feature a revamped formula to determine a player's overall rating. This year a player's overall rating will be determined by what "type" of player they are. By having more dynamic overall rating formulas it allows for players who are highly valued by teams to have a more representative "Overall" rating. Specialists such as great defenders, shooters, and rebounders will have an overall value that properly displays their worth to an NBA team.

The goal of the newly calculated Overall formulas is to as accurately as possible show a player's value in the NBA. The new formula will really highlight those players that play a very important role on their team, but may not be the prototypical player at their position. All players in the NBA provide some sort of value to their team, and the revamped Overall formulas should really illustrate that in NBA 2K15.

(More details below, as Mike answers questions from the community.)

So if I have two SG's with identical attributes but one is a "Defensive" and the other is "3PT" they will produce two different overalls?

Mike: Good question! No, the individual ratings will determine what player type (per position) to use.

If a player gets traded to another team, does the overall change?

Mike: No. It is 100% based on a player's attributes.

So basically what you are saying is that the 2K ratings being released paint an incomplete picture without releasing the player types as well?

Mike: Not exactly, and this post should address other confusion in the thread:

For every player, their individual ratings will run through all of the overall formulas possible for a given position. Whichever formula generates the highest overall is what is displayed in the roster. The individual attributes matter more than ever in determining a players overall.

Can you could elaborate as to what are some of the overall formulas possible for a given position might be based on?

Mike: We will be elaborating on this in the future, this was just to add some perspective in the ratings that are being released. But in the past, player's overall rating by position was calculated by a singular formula. In 2K15 there are many different formulas that are calculated that will look at certain individual attributes with more weight than others to account for different player types. Of those formulas the highest Overall is selected. The overall formula from games past is still there, but many other formulas are being calculated to accurately display the overall worth of a player who specializes in a certain part of the game.

In years past many claimed Overall ratings "mean nothing". This year they should. Player's Overall rating should finally be the point of debates.

It sounds like they are just removing the filter of position in determining overall rating. Essentially- ratings will be calculated pretty much the same, but instead of a given player's position dictating which of the 5 potential overalls they receive (either pg,sg,sf,pf, or c overall) they tweaked it so a players overall is the highest of the 5 formulas. They simply eliminated a position penalty and put the onus on the ratings. I don't think it's as in depth and evolved as some of you are guessing.

Mike: I'm not sure where this assumption is coming from. As I've said a few times in the thread, there are a variety of Overall formulas that are now being calculated per position to better represent unique players that may not be all around players for their position. These players are still very valuable to a team and in 2K15 their rating will reflect that value.

Just added these comments from Leftos.

Each Position has a set of Archetypes (or Player Types, if you will). All-Around, Athletic, Defensive, etc. Some positions share some of them, some have some unique ones too. A player has an overall per player type per position. So a player has (NumberOfPositions * NumberOfPlayerTypesPerPosition) overall ratings. Each Positional Player Type has its own overall formula (so PG All Around has a different formula than PF All Around has a different formula than C Defensive).

Whenever his overall rating gets updated, we calculate all the overall ratings for his position by player type. The player type that gives him his the highest overall is the one we determine "most compatible", so we assign it to him along with that Overall.

So yes, a player that might be C All-Around but as years go by sees his offensive attributes regress but you've made sure to keep him up to par defensively using (cheap plug but I'm a dev) our new in-season Training system, might see his player type change to C Defensive, and his value to the team will still be there.

As for team-building AI, we've taken some steps to make sure teams take into account specific needs as far as more specific skills go. So if that player losing his offensive ability means that the team lost their main source of points, they'll value players that can bring the team's scoring up more than players that might be contributing to needs sufficiently covered (such as defense, in this example). (Let me clarify that the examples of "offense" and "defense" are shallow and the "skills" teams look at go beyond that; there's 13 different categories actually.)

That said, Team Style is still a factor, so teams won't all "average out" by trying to cover skill needs, if a coach prefers to play a certain way. So if a team prefers outside scorers over inside scorers, it won't value inside scorers as much, even if it has more of a need for them than another team.

Also, we pay much more attention at position stacking which has been a problem for years in the franchise. Teams are much more aware of trying to build each position with a player of starter quality, a decent bench player and a 3rd string backup (less important but good to have). Not every team is going to be perfect, and if they were, they wouldn't be able to replicate my frustration with Detroit's roster all these past years. :P More than 3 players in a position starts making teams reconsider unless their skills and secondary position mean that they're of significant value to the team. No more "Oh, another 80+ point guard available? Never mind that we have 5 of them already, let's get one more since we can fit him under the salary cap!" I cringed so bad when someone showed me a screenshot of that and I made a point of starting to fix that logic that very same day.

You can see how a system like this gets really complicated. I'm very happy with our new overall formulas and logic this year, and along with the improvements to team-building (which isn't going to be perfect but we've taken strides in the right direction, trust me) gives us nice results and a nice base to continue working off of based on this year's feedback.

A lot of things have been changed this year, so I'm really looking forward to fresh feedback once you get your hands on the game.

[apalisoc_9]

Leonard at 85 :td

[Chinook]

I just hope the Spurs have the highest team rating. It'll be really stupid if some random team like the Clippers is ahead of them.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

More accurate.

Duncan: 89
Parker: 91
Manu: 85
Leonard: 87
Splitter: 79
Green: 78
Diaw: 80
That Dude: 73
Patty: 77
Bonner: 68
Cojo: 70
Baynes: 70
Daye: 69
Anderson: 65

[apalisoc_9]

I'm just going to have to edit Green, Splitter, Diaw, Leonard again...Maybe even Manu this time around.

100% sure no defense scrubs like irving will have a rating of over 87...Unfuking real.

[DatBoyGood]

Duncan a 90?? Damn never saw that coming. Theres no way that can be the actual ratings. They even have Bonner at a 73 and I remember him being like a 50 something in 2k14 :lol

[Prime Time]

Eh, I think Duncan is more of an 89 while Leonard is around 86. But that's just nit-picking.


Duncan a 90?? Damn never saw that coming. Theres no way that can be the actual ratings. They even have Bonner at a 73 and I remember him being like a 50 something in 2k14 :lol
:lol He's been in the 50's ever since like 2k9 I believe.

[100%duncan]

All in all good, they finally gave respect to da bosses. But Splitter is low 80's tbh not a 77.

[ElNono]

There has to be some historical data as part of the calculation... otherwise it's difficult to understand Tony at 88, tbh...

IIRC, he was rated 86 in 2k14... he definitely wasn't better than the previous season...

[ElNono]

Compared to 2K14:

Tony Parker (+2)
Danny Green (+5)
Kawhi Leonard (+3)
Tim Duncan (+3)
Tiago Splitter (+7)
Manu Ginobili (-3)
Boris Diaw (+14)
Patrick Mills (+8)
Marco Belinelli (+10)
Matt Bonner (+15)
Jeff Ayres (+3)
Cory Joseph (+9)

Basically, everybody is up except El Cliente :td

2K14 numbers here: http://www.chatsports.com/san-antonio-spurs/a/San-Antonio-Spurs-Player-Ratings-In-NBA-2K14-2-8582359

[spurraider21]

I just hope the Spurs have the highest team rating. It'll be really stupid if some random team like the Clippers is ahead of them.
haven't bought a basketball video game in years, but i remember being irate with the ratings in nba live 2004 (even though gameplay wise it was my favorite bball game ever). the spurs were coming off their title over the nets, and were given a team rating of 84. the nets were rated 86.

lakers, kings, mavs were all rated above them as well, and i might be missing others

duncan was the reigning b2b mvp and finals MVP, and was given a rating of 91 while Garnett (and Kobe) were given 97 :rollin
iirc parker was a 66, manu was a 67. i think stephen jackson was the 2nd highest rated player on the club but i cant remember his rating. want to say it was 68 or something along those lines

[HI-FI]

Compared to 2K14:

Tony Parker (+2)
Danny Green (+5)
Kawhi Leonard (+3)
Tim Duncan (+3)
Tiago Splitter (+7)
Manu Ginobili (-3)
Boris Diaw (+14)
Patrick Mills (+8)
Marco Belinelli (+10)
Matt Bonner (+15)
Jeff Ayres (+3)
Cory Joseph (+9)

Basically, everybody is up except El Cliente :td

2K14 numbers here: http://www.chatsports.com/san-antonio-spurs/a/San-Antonio-Spurs-Player-Ratings-In-NBA-2K14-2-8582359
time to put that law degree to use....

[ElNono]

time to put that law degree to use....

I know, I'm actually waiting for spurraider21 to finish his degree. At this rate there will be no justice until 2K25... :lol

[spurraider21]

I know, I'm actually waiting for spurraider21 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) to finish his degree. At this rate there will be no justice until 2K25... :lol
i could use a paralegal tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

I doubt Duncan is really one of the four 90's. Anyone who plays 2k knows that players on good teams get ratings boosts before each game. Anyway... Bonner is too high, Kawhi and Manu are slightly low

[Chinook]

I also have no idea why Ayres' rating got better. He looked worse this past season than he did with the Pacers.

[Chinook]

I doubt Duncan is really one of the four 90's. Anyone who plays 2k knows that players on good teams get ratings boosts before each game. Anyway... Bonner is too high, Kawhi and Manu are slightly low

He's not one of the four. Supposedly, there will be four players who have ratings ABOVE 90 (like 91+). Duncan is fifth, then or tied for that spot.

[spurraider21]

lebron, durant, westbrook, davis?

[TheGreatYacht]

He's not one of the four. Supposedly, there will be four players who have ratings ABOVE 90 (like 91+). Duncan is fifth, then or tied for that spot.
Nvm then

[Texas_Ranger]

LeBron, Durant, Paul and Westbrook are probably the 4... I am sure that the first 3 are, not so sure bout Brick.

[ElNono]

I also have no idea why Ayres' rating got better. He looked worse this past season than he did with the Pacers.

The other thing noticeable is the Boris adjustment, which is understandable, given his Finals series... Bonner, on the other hand, WTF?

[Chinook]

The other thing noticeable is the Boris adjustment, which is understandable, given his Finals series... Bonner, on the other hand, WTF?

He's overrated, but he was underrated previously. He should probably be like a 68-69. But he's significantly better than Daye and Ayres, so the ratings had to reflect that. Honestly, the deep bench is a little overrated, and the shallow bench is underrated.

[baseline bum]

What is Wade rated now?

[cjw]

Leonard at 85 :td

He'll be above 90 by year 2-3 in career mode. As long as guys like Kyrie / Rondo don't continue to be rated well above him.

[8FOR!3]

The other thing noticeable is the Boris adjustment, which is understandable, given his Finals series... Bonner, on the other hand, WTF?

Idk about these ratings, do we even know if they're legit? Why wouldn't Kyle Anderson be in yet? Bc I saw a rookie ratings video and he already had his rating (like a 67). I do think Bonner is skilled enough to inflate a video game rating. He's a great 3 point shooter, smart player, good on defense positioning-wise. The only thing that cuts him back is the fact that he's got short arms and is really unathletic. I don't think that should effect his rating as much so as his actual in game play.

[Dex]

Compared to 2K14:

Tony Parker (+2)
Danny Green (+5)
Kawhi Leonard (+3)
Tim Duncan (+3)
Tiago Splitter (+7)
Manu Ginobili (-3)
Boris Diaw (+14)
Patrick Mills (+8)
Marco Belinelli (+10)
Matt Bonner (+15)
Jeff Ayres (+3)
Cory Joseph (+9)

Basically, everybody is up except El Cliente :td

2K14 numbers here: http://www.chatsports.com/san-antonio-spurs/a/San-Antonio-Spurs-Player-Ratings-In-NBA-2K14-2-8582359

Bonner +15? Dafuq?

He's even the King of 2K Plus/Minus. :lmao

[Chinook]

^ Goods.

[DJR210]

The ratings evolve for anyone with an internet connected console or PC, so the ratings don't mean that much..But damn, anyone at 90 or above is superstar status in the 2K series :tu

[vma16]

90 is pretty good for Duncan, also 85 for Leonard

i would give Tony 87 and Manu 84 though,

[Dre_7]

For years and years and years I remember getting pissed at 2k for constantly underrating Tim Duncan. To see him FINALLY get a rating he deserves is awesome. I cannot wait to get this years game. I wont even have to edit him! Haha

[DatBoyGood]

IMO Duncan 88, Parker 89, Kawhi 87 , Manu 85

[FireMicoHalili]

imagine what happens to Laker Nation if Kobe gets ranked an 89. Highly unlikely though, betting he's at 90 as well.

[Texas_Ranger]

imagine what happens to Laker Nation if Kobe gets ranked an 89. Highly unlikely though, betting he's at 90 as well.

Only 4 players are 90+, so no way Kobe is one of them before Chris Paul, Melo or even Harden.

[Texas_Ranger]

What is Wade rated now?

Should be rated 83 as Manu tbh.... But he'll probably get a 85/86.

[baseline bum]

imagine what happens to Laker Nation if Kobe gets ranked an 89. Highly unlikely though, betting he's at 90 as well.

Kobe should be ranked about 62 based on his play last season.

[TD 21]

As usual, people are too focused on the overall rating and not focused enough on the ratings in individual categories. Duncan being rated a 90 isn't because they consider him a top five player necessarily, it's because he still does so many things well, that's there's only a few categories he's not going to rate at least decently in.

In that same vein, the Ginobili drop is explicable, especially on the heels of a bounce back season.

[Brunodf]

Parker too high, Kawhi too low

[Dunc n Dave]

It's a different rating system than last year, guys. Comparing the increase/decrease from this year to last year is pointless when they use a different rating system.

Each position has it's own set of formulas for calculating overall ratings.

In the case of Bonner, his rating increase is based on his specialist skill (3pt shooting, in which he's one of the best in the league at his position). It also only compares him to other PF's ONLY, not SF's like Leonard or PG's like Mills or Joseph. I posted an article from one of the developers on pg 1 of this thread where he explains the new rating system...

[DAF86]

How can Manu get an 87 or whatever he got after the '13 season and just an 83 after last season?

[SpursFan86]

To the guy who said "Imagine if Kobe gets an 89":

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lakers-nba-2k15-ratings-leaked-150830096.html

[TrainOfThought5]

Where the fuck is Baynes????

[apalisoc_9]

Leonard will have a rating of 90 by November...

[Texas_Ranger]

:lol Kobe

[Dex]

Duncan: 90
Kobe: 89

Let us proceed.

[gee]

Manu has a shit tier 2013 and goes up in the ratings for 2k14
Manu has a pretty amazing redemption year in 2014 and goes down in the ratings for 2k15

2k is horseshit

Harden will be rated 88 and a lockdown defender

[mkurts]

Parker's vanishing act earns an 88 ? Duncan's score is appropriate while Kawhi is too low