Freaking LBJ all over again...

[CosmicCowboy]

President Obama will take a hands-on approach to the United States airstrikes in Syria against the Islamic State and will personally sign off on bombing targets in the country, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The newspaper reports that the president has put in place much stricter requirements for strikes in Syria – where the country’s ongoing civil war and President Bashar Assad’s government complicate the situation – than in Iraq, where the U.S. continues to carry out airstrikes. Officials told the Journal that President Obama views taking action in Syria as being similar to U.S. counterterrorism operations in countries such as Somalia or Yemen.

The White House has yet to authorize any strikes in Syria, but said it will not announce action beforehand give Islamic State and al-Nusra Front fighters time to prepare themselves.

[ChumpDumper]

And Cheney.

Weird that he's announcing it though.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

President Obama will take a hands-on approach to the United States airstrikes in Syria against the Islamic State and will personally sign off on bombing targets in the country, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The newspaper reports that the president has put in place much stricter requirements for strikes in Syria – where the country’s ongoing civil war and President Bashar Assad’s government complicate the situation – than in Iraq, where the U.S. continues to carry out airstrikes. Officials told the Journal that President Obama views taking action in Syria as being similar to U.S. counterterrorism operations in countries such as Somalia or Yemen.

The White House has yet to authorize any strikes in Syria, but said it will not announce action beforehand give Islamic State and al-Nusra Front fighters time to prepare themselves.

We do have to coordinate with NATO and Arab states right? What similar interactions were necessary in Vietnam?

This reads like bad Limbaugh or something frankly.

[boutons_deux]

President Obama will take a hands-on approach to the United States airstrikes in Syria against the Islamic State and will personally sign off on bombing targets in the country, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The newspaper reports that the president has put in place much stricter requirements for strikes in Syria – where the country’s ongoing civil war and President Bashar Assad’s government complicate the situation – than in Iraq, where the U.S. continues to carry out airstrikes. Officials told the Journal that President Obama views taking action in Syria as being similar to U.S. counterterrorism operations in countries such as Somalia or Yemen.

The White House has yet to authorize any strikes in Syria, but said it will not announce action beforehand give Islamic State and al-Nusra Front fighters time to prepare themselves.

What would President Cosmic Cowboy do?

[SnakeBoy]

Rift widens between Obama, U.S. military over strategy to fight Islamic State
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/rift-widens-between-obama-us-military-over-strategy-to-fight-islamic-state/2014/09/18/ebdb422e-3f5c-11e4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html?hpid=z1

[Winehole23]

We've been at war in Iraq for 23 years on and off. Are we getting any safer yet? Is the region more or less stable because of our involvement?

[boutons_deux]

Rift widens between Obama, U.S. military over strategy to fight Islamic State
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/rift-widens-between-obama-us-military-over-strategy-to-fight-islamic-state/2014/09/18/ebdb422e-3f5c-11e4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html?hpid=z1

Sure, the Generals want their career-padding, military-glorifying, taxpayer-draining wars and planetary imperialism to go on forever, no matter what the cost. The more pushback from the planet, the trigger-happier the Generals are, esp retired Generals.

retired General pay, appx:

"That means a four-star officer retiring with 40 years of experience would receive a pension of $237,144, according to the Pentagon. Base pay for active-duty top officers is $181,501, according to Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen, a Pentagon spokesman. Housing and other allowances can boost their compensation an additional third."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/07/military-pensions-four-star-officers/4359023/

[CosmicCowboy]

We do have to coordinate with NATO and Arab states right? What similar interactions were necessary in Vietnam?

This reads like bad Limbaugh or something frankly.

This just reads like stupid Fuzzy.

When fighting a mobile enemy like ISIS it is critical that the military be able to react quickly to actionable intelligence. It's not like we are bombing bridges and factories..We are trying to smack terrorist leaders or blunt imminent terrorist threats. Want to bomb a specific set of coordinates because bad guys are there now? Nope...gotta ask the White House...the next day when you finally get permission from Valerie Jarrett it's too late and the bad guys are gone.

[SnakeBoy]

Sure, the Generals want their career-padding, military-glorifying, taxpayer-draining wars and planetary imperialism to go on forever, no matter what the cost. The more pushback from the planet, the trigger-happier the Generals are, esp retired Generals.

retired General pay, appx:

"That means a four-star officer retiring with 40 years of experience would receive a pension of $237,144, according to the Pentagon. Base pay for active-duty top officers is $181,501, according to Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen, a Pentagon spokesman. Housing and other allowances can boost their compensation an additional third."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/07/military-pensions-four-star-officers/4359023/

Why does Obama want career-padding, military-glorifying, taxpayer-draining wars and planetary imperialism to go on forever, no matter what the cost?

[boutons_deux]

Why does Obama want career-padding, military-glorifying, taxpayer-draining wars and planetary imperialism to go on forever, no matter what the cost?

does he?

what choices does he + allies have vs. ISIL?

What would President SnakeBoy do?

You Repugs voted in Repugs who broke the Middle East, so you are shareholders in that shit.

[SnakeBoy]

does he?

what choices does he + allies have vs. ISIL?

What would President SnakeBoy do?

You Repugs voted in Repugs who broke the Middle East, so you are shareholders in that shit.


The Middle East has been broke for 1500 years. President Snakeboy would stop trying to fix it.

[boutons_deux]

The Middle East has been broke for 1500 years. President Snakeboy would stop trying to fix it.

bullshit.

M/E was stable ENOUGH before the Repugs totally destabilized it by occupying Saudi Arabia (28 pages on the Bush-Saudi family relations of the 9/11 report were removed) pissing off Muslim extremists like OBL and Wahabis, and then invading/breaking Iraq-for-oil.

And the Iran of today is a product of the US/UK overthrow of Mossadegh in the 1950s.

[ElNono]

CIC doing CIC things...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This just reads like stupid Fuzzy.

When fighting a mobile enemy like ISIS it is critical that the military be able to react quickly to actionable intelligence. It's not like we are bombing bridges and factories..We are trying to smack terrorist leaders or blunt imminent terrorist threats. Want to bomb a specific set of coordinates because bad guys are there now? Nope...gotta ask the White House...the next day when you finally get permission from Valerie Jarrett it's too late and the bad guys are gone.

You are pretty ignorant to the dynamics between LBJ and Pentagon and what we are talking about here. LBJ gave directives and overarching guidelines that were much more intrusive.

And again, we are working with the Arabs and NATO on this. If there is 'actionable intelligence' then how about the Arabs or France send the sortie? Telecommunications are a wonderful thing.

[CosmicCowboy]

You are pretty ignorant to the dynamics between LBJ and Pentagon and what we are talking about here. LBJ gave directives and overarching guidelines that were much more intrusive.

And again, we are working with the Arabs and NATO on this. If there is 'actionable intelligence' then how about the Arabs or France send the sortie? Telecommunications are a wonderful thing.

You are pretty fucking gullible if you think there is a difference. I'm taking them at their word that the White House will look at and sign off on every target suggested in Syria.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are pretty fucking gullible if you think there is a difference. I'm taking them at their word that the White House will look at and sign off on every target suggested in Syria.

Sure thing Bluster.

In the meantime, NATO just blew up an ISIS facility. I am fucking prescient. But by all means continue to front like you have some special insight.

This is a multinational affair. So who was our ally in Vietnam CC?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

France launches first strikes on ISIL in Iraq

France has carried out its first air strikes in Iraq against positions of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, joining a US-led operation to defeat the rebel group.

In a statement issued on Friday, French President Francois Hollande said the strike destroyed a logistics depot held by ISIL.



It said that at least two Rafale fighter jets were involved in the operation in northeastern Iraq, and that the target was "entirely destroyed".

Hollande's office also said other operations would continue in the coming days.

On Thursday, Hollande announced that France would provide what he called "aerial support" to the Iraqi army in their fight against the ISIL, which has taken over nearly half of the violence-ridden country.

"I decided to respond to the request of the Iraqi authorities to offer aerial support," Hollande said.

"As soon as we have identified targets, we will act ... within a short time-frame."

France has already conducted reconnaissance flights over Iraq that started on Monday, and dispatched weapons to the Kurdish forces fighting the ISIL group.

Hollande himself visited Iraq late last week - the most high-profile leader to do so since ISIL stormed across the country - and Paris hosted an international conference on the crisis on Monday.

However, unlike the US, which has pledged to attack ISIL even in Syria, where they hold around a quarter of the country, Hollande said French involvement would be limited to Iraq.

"We will not go further than that. There will be no ground troops," Hollande said.

Al Jazeera's Nadim Baba, reporting from France, said that the French president was careful to emphasise the operation was not done under US pressure.

Since the air strikes earlier on Friday, the aircrafts had returned to the French base in Abu Dhabi in UAE, our correspondent reported.

France has six Rafale fighter jets and just under 1,000 soldiers based in the UAE and could even mobilise an aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/09/france-announces-first-attack-isil-target-201491993134484569.html

Yeah this is just like a democrat!

It funny watching people take stupid AM radio politicization of everything and regurgitate it here.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sure thing Bluster.

In the meantime, NATO just blew up an ISIS facility. I am fucking prescient. But by all means continue to front like you have some special insight.

This is a multinational affair. So who was our ally in Vietnam CC?

:lmao

Look at a map, stupid. Iraq isn't Syria. Why are you arguing? The White House said they would identify targets and have final say over any action in Syria by US air strikes. What part didn't you understand? Fucking idiot.


President Obama will take a hands-on approach to the United States airstrikes in Syria against the Islamic State and will personally sign off on bombing targets in the country, according to the Wall Street Journal.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao

Look at a map, stupid. Iraq isn't Syria. Why are you arguing? The White House said they would identify targets and have final say over any action in Syria by US air strikes. What part didn't you understand? Fucking idiot.

Do you understand the difference between multilateral and unilateral? Do you understand the difference between an occupying force of 100k US troops and support versus what is going on now?

I am arguing your LBJ comment ie that this is comparable to the Vietnam War.

[CosmicCowboy]

Do you understand the difference between multilateral and unilateral? Do you understand the difference between an occupying force of 100k US troops and support versus what is going on now?

I am arguing your LBJ comment ie that this is comparable to the Vietnam War.

Well, thats YOUR strawman to wave, idiot.

I'm talking about the President of the United States personally approving every single bomb dropped by F-18's in Syria.

"We have the ISIS commander Muhammed Al Fuckizi on GEOSAT headed west out of Shitholeaza in a convoy. We lose SAT coverage in 28 minutes. We have two F-18's inbound there in 15. Call the White House".

"Sorry, the President is on 15 and will call you when he gets back to the clubhouse. Valerie is getting her mani-pedi and isn't to be disturbed. Abort Mission...say again...Abort Mission."

[Twisted_Dawg]

Actually Cosmic, your thread would be more approriate comparing LBJ getting conned into going into Viet Nam with the bogus Gulf of Tonkin incident, just as George Bush was conned into going into Iraq with bogus WMD. Both Presidents victims of lies and disinfo from their intelligence apparatus.

[spurraider21]

And Cheney.

Weird that he's announcing it though.
just had to throw that in there, didn't you :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, thats YOUR strawman to wave, idiot.

I'm talking about the President of the United States personally approving every single bomb dropped by F-18's in Syria.

"We have the ISIS commander Muhammed Al Fuckizi on GEOSAT headed west out of Shitholeaza in a convoy. We lose SAT coverage in 28 minutes. We have two F-18's inbound there in 15. Call the White House".

"Sorry, the President is on 15 and will call you when he gets back to the clubhouse. Valerie is getting her mani-pedi and isn't to be disturbed. Abort Mission...say again...Abort Mission."

And I am saying that the issue with WH oversight in Vietnam was because of the scope of the war and the lack of allies.

If there is a target that some Kurds or Syrians need help bombing the shit out of, we are not the only country there. There will not be hundreds of sorties every day by US pilots. They had one airstrike from France yesterday. Get a clue.

[SnakeBoy]

And I am saying that the issue with WH oversight in Vietnam was because of the scope of the war and the lack of allies.

If there is a target that some Kurds or Syrians need help bombing the shit out of, we are not the only country there. There will not be hundreds of sorties every day by US pilots. They had one airstrike from France yesterday. Get a clue.

Isn't France the only country who has committed to limited military action and only in Iraq none at all in Syria.

[SnakeBoy]

They had one airstrike from France yesterday.

Under what command are the French planes operating?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Under what command are the French planes operating?

That is a decent question but a better one is 'what is the command structure of this operation?'

Multinational effort this is.

[SnakeBoy]

That is a decent question but a better one is 'what is the command structure of this operation?'

Multinational effort this is.

Well I guess 2 qualifies as multinational. Are you suggesting there will be multiple commands operating independently of each other?

When you said there will be other countries there to help the Syrians bomb the shit out of something, what countries would those be?

[SnakeBoy]

Well, thats YOUR strawman to wave, idiot.

I'm talking about the President of the United States personally approving every single bomb dropped by F-18's in Syria.

"We have the ISIS commander Muhammed Al Fuckizi on GEOSAT headed west out of Shitholeaza in a convoy. We lose SAT coverage in 28 minutes. We have two F-18's inbound there in 15. Call the White House".

"Sorry, the President is on 15 and will call you when he gets back to the clubhouse. Valerie is getting her mani-pedi and isn't to be disturbed. Abort Mission...say again...Abort Mission."

In Fuzzy's world that scenario will go like this...

"We have the ISIS commander Muhammed Al Fuckizi on GEOSAT headed west out of Shitholeaza in a convoy. We lose SAT coverage in 28 minutes. We have two F-18's inbound there in 15. Call the White House".

"Sorry, the President is on 15 and will call you when he gets back to the clubhouse. Valerie is getting her mani-pedi and isn't to be disturbed."

"No Problem, we'll call the French"

[ChumpDumper]

just had to throw that in there, didn't you :lolWell, it's the more recent example -- though Obama's preemptively owning it is noteworthy.

I guess the VP's direct charge of military operations may be more extraordinary given that posts largely ceremonial history.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well I guess 2 qualifies as multinational. Are you suggesting there will be multiple commands operating independently of each other?

When you said there will be other countries there to help the Syrians bomb the shit out of something, what countries would those be?

It's not just us and France. It is not clear in the early stages who is and who is not involved.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In Fuzzy's world that scenario will go like this...

"We have the ISIS commander Muhammed Al Fuckizi on GEOSAT headed west out of Shitholeaza in a convoy. We lose SAT coverage in 28 minutes. We have two F-18's inbound there in 15. Call the White House".

"Sorry, the President is on 15 and will call you when he gets back to the clubhouse. Valerie is getting her mani-pedi and isn't to be disturbed."

"No Problem, we'll call the French"

What's the current command structure? Do you know? You don't and instead are being an asshat about uncertainty.