SI Ranks TD #5 player in NBA

[Hoover]

Surprised it was that high, TBH ...

http://www.si.com/nba/video/2014/09/19/sis-top-10-players-2015

[celldweller]

Chris Paul? Aghh.

[Texas_Ranger]

They fucked his stats.

[Russ]

Keep him off the All Star team again this year NBA.

[Dverde]

Any list with Durant being #2 can't be all wrong.

[JWest596]

Chris Paul has and keeps snookering more mainstream NBA writers in history. Probably more to do with the Sterling controversy than anything.

I doubt Tony will ever gets his due much like Bowen never did.

[RD2191]

CP3 is garbage. TP owns that piece of shit.

[spursparker9]

CP3 peaked during the 2008 playoffs western semi against Spurs.

After that is all declining

[Mr. Body]

CP3 peaked during the 2008 playoffs western semi against Spurs.

After that is all declining

I can't disagree with this. Deron Williams, his draft-mate, is completely done. Chris Paul has only had slightly more longetivity.

[monkeypunk]

Any list with Durant being #2 can't be all wrong.

:lol

[Raven]

the davis dicksucking is getting out of control, the guy has never even been close to the play offs and now he is supposed to be in the mvp conversation? :lol

[wildbill2u]

The vid only showed the top 10 but supposedly they have a list of top 100. Would like to see that list.

Congrats to Tim, but his is a makeup vote because of the Championship. And there's nothing wrong with that.

[spurs10]

Well Pop has often mentioned that their style of playing is bad for the players' stats. When you figure that no one average more than 30 mpg last year, you know why. The proof is in the pudding and Tony has to grin and bear it when they try to lionize Chris Paul, who did probably peak in 200.8. CP3's pudding bowl is mighty empty.

[Mel_13]

5. Duncan
15. Parker
28. Leonard
41. Ginobili
70. Splitter
96. Green
100. Diaw

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/top-100-nba-players-2015-list

[Richie]

Timmy deserves #5 based on his per minute production, but shouldn't be that high because he can't play the kind of minutes that younger guys can.

Having said that if you asked me who I'd want on my team going in to a playoff run, Duncan and Dirk are easily in my Top 5

[Spurs 4 The Win]

5. Duncan
15. Parker
28. Leonard
41. Ginobili
70. Splitter
96. Green
100. Diaw

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/top-100-nba-players-2015-list

Leonard at #28 is a fucking joke, good god :lol

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I also got a really good laugh out of CPFlop being ahead of Tony and Westbrook, he is such an overrated piece of shit, ringless fagg:lolt

[Seventyniner]

5. Duncan
15. Parker
28. Leonard
41. Ginobili
70. Splitter
96. Green
100. Diaw

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/top-100-nba-players-2015-list

Decent ratings, though I think they underrate Green and overrate Manu somewhat.

As for Green, who knows if he would be as successful in a different system but he is fantastic for the Spurs. Even if salary cap issues are ignored I wouldn't trade him for DeRozan straight up.

In the playoffs Manu deserves his ranking, but he can't put up enough minutes in the regular season to be that high overall. He wouldn't be nearly as useful to a non-playoff team.

Duncan is slightly overrated for the same reason, though he is more durable than Manu and is much more important to the team's defense. Duncan has a legit chance to be first team All-NBA at 39. Unreal.

[Brazil]

Green too low, he should be close to Manu
Diaw 100 ? :lol that's a joke

[still.focused]

If Diaw played for any other team hed never even sniff 100. I love Bobo but if but he benefits from this system note than any other player IMO
How many other teams could Diaw okay for and be this much a contributor
The answer is NONE
We all know he's talented but SA might be the only place in the league where less than mediocre numbers in a variety of categories is held in such a regard as opposed to high numbers in few categories
And that's simply because of the system
100 is generous Manu might be too high. Parker n Green too low

[Arcadian]

Seriously, it's not even a stretch to say TD is still a top 5 player in the league. He is still one of the most valuable players who affects the game in so many ways, and just flat out helps the team win. Despite being 38 years old, and despite not being the focal point of the Spurs anymore, he is still the centerpiece that makes everything run efficiently. He's the engine. The team is still built around him, amazingly.

[ambchang]

Duncan is still a great player, from an individual player stand point, Duncan is not #5. Most GMs will pick Griffin, Curry, Unibrow and even Dwight over him.

Obviously Duncan is the main defensive cog on the Spurs, and his offense is an integral part of a championship team, but the team was built specifically around him.

If people remember the finals, Games 1 and 2 were close because the Spurs still had a tendency to feed Duncan in the post and isos with Parker, and it stalled the offense and allowed the Miami defense to set. The Spurs were so successful in games 3 to 5 because the Spurs went away from that and started whipping the ball around to break down the Miami defense.

Duncan is no longer the kind of guy you can have carry a championship offense, like his earlier self.

People citing team success is discrediting the work Parker, Kawhi, Ginobili, Diaw, Mills, Splitter, and Pop did last year.

[ElNono]

Lots of these rankings sneak in the "potential" canard or rank based on "brand name"... just a word of warning...

[baseline bum]

Duncan at #5 is ludicrous. This is just the media pigeonholing the Spurs' title into the conventional wisdom of teams needing a star player to carry them to a championship. Sorry son, the Spurs won a title with 8 players playing at a high level making roughly similar levels of contribution.

[Raven]

Duncan at #5 is ludicrous. This is just the media pigeonholing the Spurs' title into the conventional wisdom of teams needing a star player to carry them to a championship. Sorry son, the Spurs won a title with 8 players playing at a high level making roughly similar levels of contribution.

not just that, but timmy's D regressed a lot from last year, so the improvement is not justified.

[baseline bum]

not just that, but timmy's D regressed a lot from last year, so the improvement is not justified.

Yeah, Duncan massively turned the clock back in 2012-13.

[Texas_Ranger]

i love how Igoudala is always high on this lists... The guy sucks and he's still ranked 29th, just after Kawhi but ahead of 5 times better players.

[Arcadian]

...but the team was built specifically around him.

Exactly. How many players can you build a team around and win a championship?

Probably 5 or less.

[baseline bum]

Kobe Bryant at 24, 4 slots ahead of Leonard. What a fucking joke.

[Raven]

i love how Igoudala is always high on this lists... The guy sucks and he's still ranked 29th, just after Kawhi but ahead of 5 times better players.

i agree, his ranking made me laugh very hard..

[ambchang]

Exactly. How many players can you build a team around and win a championship?

Probably 5 or less.

With the level of talent that Duncan has around him? Most definitely more than five.

[Malik Hairston]

These lists are always really, really bad:lol..

Tim isn't even close to a top 5 player at this point, and I say this despite him being my favorite of all-time..

Parker is only in the top 15 if you're assuming that last season was an anomaly and he was fatigued, rather than on the decline..

Green and Diaw at 96 and 100 is absolutely ridiculous and embarrassing, tbh..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I can't disagree with this. Deron Williams, his draft-mate, is completely done. Chris Paul has only had slightly more longetivity.

Williams strikes me as undisciplined and lazy. Paul can lay off the hamburger helper.

[Malik Hairston]

Kobe is ranked way too high for a semi-retired player that looked like a D-league caliber player last year..

Wade can't even play more than 60 games in a season, there's no way he's in the top 20:lol..

I didn't see where Derrick Rose is ranked, but I'm sure he's way too high, too..

[Texas_Ranger]

Kobe is ranked way too high for a semi-retired player that looked like a D-league caliber player last year..

Wade can't even play more than 60 games in a season, there's no way he's in the top 20:lol..

I didn't see where Derrick Rose is ranked, but I'm sure he's way too high, too..

#23 :lol

This rankings are a joke so who cares tbh.

[Obstructed_View]

You guys are missing the important question: What number is Kevin Garnett?

[Cry Havoc]

the davis dicksucking is getting out of control, the guy has never even been close to the play offs and now he is supposed to be in the mvp conversation? :lol

Are you serious? The dude is barely old enough to drink and very well could be the best center in the league this year.

He plays for a terrible franchise. Not exactly his fault. Dude is going to go for 24 and 12 this year with about 3 blocks per game.

[Raven]

Are you serious? The dude is barely old enough to drink and very well could be the best center in the league this year.

He plays for a terrible franchise. Not exactly his fault. Dude is going to go for 24 and 12 this year with about 3 blocks per game.

since when players from lottery teams get mvps? i don't know if it ever happened.. and those stats are exactly because he plays in a shitty franchise, why do you think love gets those stats?

[Malik Hairston]

Iguodala's yearly rankings are baffling, tbh..

What's the point of having his ability as a passer that can create for himself, when he rarely actually utilizes it in real games?:lol..

I understood the hype in 2011-2012 when he shot like 38-39% from 3, since the ability to shoot is essential for a wing role player(which Iguodala is, don't get it twisted), but he's been overrated since that season..

Iguodala(great passer, average shot creator, elite defender, mediocre shooter) is not 70 spots better than Danny Green(mediocre passer, poor shot creator, great defender, elite shooter), for example..

[Aztecfan03]

since when players from lottery teams get mvps? i don't know if it ever happened.. and those stats are exactly because he plays in a shitty franchise, why do you think love gets those stats?

What does this list have to do with the mvp conversation anyways?

[Galileo]

The best player in the NBA season next year will be Anthony Davis. He is the next Tim Duncan.

[Chinook]

Green and Diaw at 96 and 100 is absolutely ridiculous and embarrassing, tbh..

And Klay Thompson is probably ranked a lot higher than Green even though he's pretty much the same player.

[Mugen]

Ranking Timmy at 5 is a discredit to the 2014 NBA Champions tbh.

[Splits]

:lmao Rubio and Tyreke Evans rated above Green and Diaw :lmao

[Cry Havoc]

since when players from lottery teams get mvps? i don't know if it ever happened.. and those stats are exactly because he plays in a shitty franchise, why do you think love gets those stats?

Good thing this isn't a list of potential MVPs, then. And you're completely silly if you don't think AD is a monster who would do damage on any team. He's going to be the best center in the league by the middle of next season at the latest.

[mkurts]

Epic SI list, their panel must have wanked so hard their brains came out full load to write this garbage

[cjw]

If Diaw played for any other team hed never even sniff 100. I love Bobo but if but he benefits from this system note than any other player IMO

Tell that to France

[100%duncan]

5's too high imho maybe low 10-15 BUT a lot of spurs players should be on 15-30 tbh. We are deep, there's no "1" guy.

[Arcadian]

With the level of talent that Duncan has around him? Most definitely more than five.

I'm not sure of that. There are very few players who affect the game in as many ways as Duncan, who help the team in as many ways, who can lead with no ego, and who can adapt to whatever pieces you put around him as well as Duncan. Those are factors you have to consider. No one is saying Duncan is a top 5 talent right now, but he's still arguably a top 5 player who you want on your team to help you win.

[Obstructed_View]

Iguodala's yearly rankings are baffling, tbh..

What's the point of having his ability as a passer that can create for himself, when he rarely actually utilizes it in real games?:lol..

I understood the hype in 2011-2012 when he shot like 38-39% from 3, since the ability to shoot is essential for a wing role player(which Iguodala is, don't get it twisted), but he's been overrated since that season..

Iguodala(great passer, average shot creator, elite defender, mediocre shooter) is not 70 spots better than Danny Green(mediocre passer, poor shot creator, great defender, elite shooter), for example..

Baffling to me is that people consider Iguodala an elite defender. The defensive win shares stat was used to make a case for Iggy a few years back, but he's like seventh on his own team in that stat now. Media members tried so hard to make him into an elite player when he was with AI, and when he didn't live up to that, they throw the great defender term around figuring average NBA fans won't know the difference and just repeat what they hear.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm not sure of that. There are very few players who affect the game in as many ways as Duncan, who help the team in as many ways, who can lead with no ego, and who can adapt to whatever pieces you put around him as well as Duncan. Those are factors you have to consider. No one is saying Duncan is a top 5 talent right now, but he's still arguably a top 5 player who you want on your team to help you win.
I agree. If you started a team tomorrow, Timmy would likely be nowhere on the list, but if you had to win a game tomorrow, Duncan's a guy you'd definitely pick for your team.

[hitmantb]

You can't just look at what Duncan brings to the table as a player, he is the Captain America of NBA players.

In his current state, he is not as strong as LeBron/Durant/Griffin's of the world, but the way he leads this team and teaches/supports the younger players is ahead of everyone else. Chemistry is huge huge huge and the way he allows himself to be coached by Pop sets example for everyone else. Everyone on this team love Timmy like a big brother and really wanted to win a ring for him, that is why they bonded and put together something way bigger than the sum of their individual talents. Watching him work out as hard as he does even when he has nothing left to prove, trying his hardest to cover for others, it really brings the best out of everyone else.

You can replace him with a player of greater individual ability and the team still would not be as strong. Also let's not forget in the toughest game of the playoffs, Duncan willed the team to a victory in OT against OKC. He was the best player on the court for a few minutes and made all the differences in the world.