So I just watched Fahrenheit 9/11...

[Uriel]

I can't believe how stupid George Bush is. How the fuck did this guy become President of the United States? Thank God Obama is in the White House. He's far from perfect, but he's an enormous upgrade over Bush.

[DMX7]

Yeah, I like George W. Bush; he is the kind of guy you'd like to have a drink with. However, he was completely in over his head. Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld effectively got to serve as president and co-president, respectively. They really ran shit into the ground and rolled over Bush.

[Wild Cobra]

I can't believe how stupid people are who believe Michael Moore. The movie is nothing but lie after lie. He's better at making movies like Canadian Bacon.

Here are a few examples:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBmXrd4vJLI



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10Bpb_-Qsls



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqgyZCNfsSs

[Wild Cobra]

Here is a rebuttal:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s713LjbTR7E

[DMX7]

He was a complete failure. It pains me to say it. His father looks so much better in comparison.

[boutons_deux]

Dick Morris? :lol the slimiest of the slimy, whore-y Beltway operators. eg, Fox puts him on frequently.

[RandomGuy]

Yeah, I like George W. Bush; he is the kind of guy you'd like to have a drink with. However, he was completely in over his head. Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld effectively got to serve as president and co-president, respectively. They really ran shit into the ground and rolled over Bush.

Well, the way the post-war occupation was run in Iraq deserves special treatment. The younger Bush's incompetence got thousands of or our soldiers pointlessly killed, and was responsible for many more times that in Iraqi deaths.

He should be in jail for negligent homicide on a grand scale, IMO.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, the way the post-war occupation was run in Iraq deserves special treatment. The younger Bush's incompetence got thousands of or our soldiers pointlessly killed, and was responsible for many more times that in Iraqi deaths.

He should be in jail for negligent homicide on a grand scale, IMO.

Wow...

A better speaking version of Boutons!

[lefty]

Obama is shit too but he looks awesome because the guy before him was a total dimwit

[DarrinS]

Well, the way the post-war occupation was run in Iraq deserves special treatment. The younger Bush's incompetence got thousands of or our soldiers pointlessly killed, and was responsible for many more times that in Iraqi deaths.

He should be in jail for negligent homicide on a grand scale, IMO.

:dramaquee


I beg to differ. The sheer anti-Obama hysteria far exceeds the volume and nature of that leveled at Bush.

I think you were merely more attuned to the anti-Bush stuff, because you were gamely trying to defend the stupidest shit he did, and it seemed greater.

[spurraider21]

I can't believe how stupid George Bush is. How the fuck did this guy become President of the United States? Thank God Obama is in the White House. He's far from perfect, but he's an enormous upgrade over Bush.
you are acting we chose between Obama and Bush. there is no reason to be thankful oblamo is in office, although to be fair the alternatives of mccain/romney sucked too.

obama's approval ratings throughout his presidency have been on par with W :lol

[boutons_deux]

obama's approval ratings throughout his presidency have been on par with W :lol

You Lie


and his approval rating is many time the approval rating of Congressional Repugs.

[spurraider21]

You Lie


and his approval rating is many time the approval rating of Congressional Repugs.
i don't lie. and i didn't mention approval ratings of congressmen

[Wild Cobra]

you are acting we chose between Obama and Bush. there is no reason to be thankful oblamo is in office, although to be fair the alternatives of mccain/romney sucked too.

obama's approval ratings throughout his presidency have been on par with W :lol
It's always the lesser of evils.

We need a "none of the above" option, and run-off elections.

[RandomGuy]

:dramaquee


I have made the case already.

The LLC in Iraq, tactics and players, was readily predictable, as was the need for a functioning government. Neither was prepared for, and the mess that resulted falls squarely on the Bush administration, including the way troops were used and deployed in an obvious insurgency directly counter to existing doctrine. Read up on FM34-1 some time.

If you or I walk into a crowded place with a loaded gun, and start playing with it until it discharged, killing someone, we go to jail, and rightfully so, smiley boy.

Bush walked into a puddle of gasoline, playing with a lighter.

How many dead GIs does it take for you to get angry? Do you not care?

[Infinite_limit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Ya5qiiW6k

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Ya5qiiW6kcrofl conspiracy nontheories

[elbamba]

I think it is safe to say that Obama and Bush will go down as one of the worst 16 year period in presidential history. No need to worry about which one is worse. They both suck.

[Uriel]

You can knock Obama all you want, but the one thing you can't say about him is that he's stupid. This guy graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law!

Bush, on the other hand, is a veritable dimwit. His IQ of 115, while above average for the American population as a whole, is incredibly low for a President of the United States. By comparison, my IQ is far, far higher than Bush's, and I'm nowhere near being a head of state. If your average guy on the internet is literally more intelligent than the most powerful man in the world, you've got a problem.

[Bender]

I think it is safe to say that Obama and Bush will go down as one of the worst 16 year period in presidential history. No need to worry about which one is worse. They both suck.

winner

[baseline bum]

I think it is safe to say that Obama and Bush will go down as one of the worst 16 year period in presidential history. No need to worry about which one is worse. They both suck.

Right up there with the 12 year Carter-Reagan period.

[spurraider21]

You can knock Obama all you want, but the one thing you can't say about him is that he's stupid. This guy graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law!

Bush, on the other hand, is a veritable dimwit. His IQ of 115, while above average for the American population as a whole, is incredibly low for a President of the United States. By comparison, my IQ is far, far higher than Bush's, and I'm nowhere near being a head of state. If your average guy on the internet is literally more intelligent than the most powerful man in the world, you've got a problem.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAryFIuRxmQ


oh and LOL at pretending that presidential IQ figures are announced somewhere

[Uriel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAryFIuRxmQ


oh and LOL at pretending that presidential IQ figures are announced somewhere
Bush's SAT score, which is 1206, has been published in The New York Times. That falls in the 84th percentile. From there, it's just a matter of converting to IQ by determining what IQ score falls in the top 16% of the world population. It isn't rocket science.

[TeyshaBlue]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAryFIuRxmQ


oh and LOL at pretending that presidential IQ figures are announced somewhere

Michael Moore said so.

And lofuckingl @ Fahrenheit 9/11.

[spurraider21]

Bush's SAT score, which is 1206, has been published in The New York Times. That falls in the 84th percentile. From there, it's just a matter of converting to IQ by determining what IQ score falls in the top 16% of the world population. It isn't rocket science.
you can't assume that the SAT is an IQ test, so you can't just scale them proportionally and act like you have a winning formula

[Uriel]

you can't assume that the SAT is an IQ test, so you can't just scale them proportionally and act like you have a winning formula
The pre-1994 SAT, which Bush took, correlates with traditional IQ Tests. Even Mensa allows people to obtain membership based on their pre-1994 SAT scores.

http://www.us.mensa.org/join/testscores/qualifyingscores/#NA

[spurraider21]

The pre-1994 SAT, which Bush took, correlates with traditional IQ Tests. Even Mensa allows people to obtain membership based on their pre-1994 SAT scores.

http://www.us.mensa.org/join/testscores/qualifyingscores/#NA
Mensa supposedly accepts over 200 standardized tests, i hardly think they would all be considered to be IQ tests.

btw what do u get for being in mensa, my lsat qualifies.

[baseline bum]

tbh I really don't know what to make of IQ. I had a professor whose IQ is in the 230s and he is an unparalleled genius who has published all kinds of incredible breakthroughs in math, but Richard Feynman, who is right there with Weinberg as perhaps the greatest American physicist to ever live, had a pedestrian 125 IQ.

[baseline bum]

btw what do u get for being in mensa, my lsat qualifies.

You get to be around a bunch of know-it-alls who think they're great tbh. Like a real life Spurstalk.

[spurraider21]

You get to be around a bunch of know-it-alls who think they're great tbh. Like a real life Spurstalk.
thinking highly of myself is one of the things i do best.

[Uriel]

Mensa supposedly accepts over 200 standardized tests, i hardly think they would all be considered to be IQ tests.

btw what do u get for being in mensa, my lsat qualifies.
:rolleyes If Mensa can't convince you of what constitutes an IQ Test, I don't know what will.

As for your question, you get to brag that you're smarter than 98% of the world population. :lol I'm not too familiar with the US Mensa, but from what I've heard, they have scholarships, conferences and gatherings, grants, members-only bank accounts, and a whole range of other benefits.

[Infinite_limit]

I think it is safe to say that Obama and Bush will go down as one of the worst 16 year period in presidential history. No need to worry about which one is worse. They both suck.
It is ongoing. Until someone competent steps in, maybe this is how USA will be until the inevitable collapse.

[DarrinS]

This is the best documentary on 9/11.

September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M

Bush derangement syndrome always brings out the nutters.

[boutons_deux]

dubya, dickhead, rummy, BigCarbon, Repug! supporters AND voters, Kock suckers! :lol what a bunch of DERANGED dickheads.

[scanry]

Bush's SAT score, which is 1206, has been published in The New York Times. That falls in the 84th percentile. From there, it's just a matter of converting to IQ by determining what IQ score falls in the top 16% of the world population. It isn't rocket science.

Just so you know Bill Clinton had an SAT score of 1032.

[SnakeBoy]

tbh I really don't know what to make of IQ. I had a professor whose IQ is in the 230s and he is an unparalleled genius who has published all kinds of incredible breakthroughs in math, but Richard Feynman, who is right there with Weinberg as perhaps the greatest American physicist to ever live, had a pedestrian 125 IQ.

It's been studied...good enough is good enough, after that other personality traits become much more important than iq.

[boutons_deux]

yes, dubya had, and probably still has, NO intellectual capacity, no curiosity (eg, never took his family on an overseas trip, a provincial dunce), his failures of speech indicate failures of thought, is totally tone deaf. iow, simply a limited person, a horrible politician, wa a failed oildman in fucking TEXAS! :lol, and like St Ronnie, was nothing but a Useful Idiot for dickhead and other plutocrats, oligarchs.

[elbamba]

LOL at IQ scores and SAT scores as if this is any indication of ones ability to govern as president. The success of a president has more to do with the judging individual's perspective than it does with actual accomplishment.

[spurraider21]

Just so you know Bill Clinton had an SAT score of 1032.
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--jQv3VBSV--/196fuarapyylmgif.gif

[ChumpDumper]

It's true. Bush wasn't a terrible president because of his perceived IQ. He was a terrible president because he made really terrible decisions supported by or under the influence of other terrible (but probably measurably intelligent) people.

[spurraider21]

:rolleyes If Mensa can't convince you of what constitutes an IQ Test, I don't know what will.
mensa isn't a scientific community. i'm sure they have some smart cookies, but i dont consider that society to be an authority in measurement of cognitive ability

[DarrinS]

I heard that the official Mensa position on the Apollo moon missions is that they were real. If that's true, they can't be trusted.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487)



Have you seen this shit?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=_c6HsiixFS8

[TeyshaBlue]

I heard that the official Mensa position on the Apollo moon missions is that they were real. If that's true, they can't be trusted.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487)

You hear alot of shit. Seek help.

[CosmicCowboy]

The pre-1994 SAT, which Bush took, correlates with traditional IQ Tests. Even Mensa allows people to obtain membership based on their pre-1994 SAT scores.

http://www.us.mensa.org/join/testscores/qualifyingscores/#NA

Damn

I could join Mensa if I wanted to. Not that I want to.

I had a pre 94 SAT of 1366

[tlongII]

I was in the 98th percentile on the GMAT so I should get in.

[Uriel]

Just so you know Bill Clinton had an SAT score of 1032.
Oh wow. That's even lower than Kobe's 1080 (which is considered above average for an NBA player). :lol

[Uriel]

Just for the record, Matt Bonner scored 1350 in his SAT's, which would put him in the top 2% of the world population, and qualify him for admission into Mensa.

[DarrinS]

Just for the record, Matt Bonner scored 1350 in his SAT's, which would put him in the top 2% of the world population, and qualify him for admission into Mensa.


Good example of high IQ not being everything.

[baseline bum]

Good example of high IQ not being everything.

I don't know man, he spun it into a $10 million deal four years ago tbh.

[ElNono]

I've been called a Menso before, tbh

[Nbadan]

You hear alot of shit. Seek help.

:lol

[SnakeBoy]

I don't know man, he spun it into a $10 million deal four years ago tbh.

Sarah Palin spun her moment in the sun into $10-20 million.

[velik_m]

Who's dumber - the presidents or the people who elected them and then re-elected them?

[spurraider21]

Who's dumber - the presidents or the people who elected them and then re-elected them?
the re-elections have been the most mind boggling aspect of recent presidential history. i mean at least in 04 the economy was doing well and people were making money (of course it was all fools gold, but still)

[baseline bum]

Sarah Palin spun her moment in the sun into $10-20 million.

Word. Being cunty pays well these days.

[baseline bum]

Who's dumber - the presidents or the people who elected them and then re-elected them?

The president isn't dumb, he's evil. The people aren't dumb, there is no real choice in American elections.

[vy65]

The president isn't dumb, he's evil. The people aren't dumb, there is no real choice in American elections.

8yIXXnz9xy0

[ChumpDumper]

Hey vy65

I listened to a few minutes of this video you posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yIXXnz9xy0

This guy believes terrorists hyjacked the planes and flew into the towers. Check out the info that proves the government did it and that there were no terrorists.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239104&p=7584413&viewfull=1#post7584413

This is probably the main reason they went into Afganistan.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=lithium

Of course the invasion of Iraq was about oil and Iraq's selling its oil for euros instead of dollars.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/iraq-nation-destroyed-oil-riches-confiscated-surviving-iraqi-population-impoverished/5375905
http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=+iraq+oil+euro

The idea that terrorists committed the attacks has been debunked as clearly as the idea that the sun revolves around the earth has; people simply haven't seen the proof. The government did it so that the people would support their wars mistakenly thinking they were the good guys.lol

No, it's not clear at all. For instance Neither you nor anyone else has proposed a complete theory for the events of 9/11. If you have one, post it in your own words.

[ChumpDumper]

This video gives a complete story.

September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M

Here are some plausible motivations for their having done it.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=lithium
http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=+iraq+oil+euro
http://www.globalresearch.ca/iraq-nation-destroyed-oil-riches-confiscated-surviving-iraqi-population-impoverished/5375905

How can you say there's no complete story with a straight face?Because there isn't.

You can't even explain a fill theory when you are called out.

I'm calling you out again.

State your full theory without linking some stupid YouTube or conspiracy site.

[DMX7]

Just so you know Bill Clinton had an SAT score of 1032.

I sincerely doubt that. Where did you find that number?

[scanry]

I sincerely doubt that. Where did you find that number?

Look it up. Standardized tests don't measure everything. A lot of people have gotten into Stanford Business School (arguably the best business school on the planet) with a low 600 GMAT score.

[DMX7]

Look it up. Standardized tests don't measure everything. A lot of people have gotten into Stanford Business School (arguably the best business school on the planet) with a low 600 GMAT score.

I agree they don't measure everything, but they are generally a decent indicator of one's aptitude.

I'm sure some people get into Stanford Business school with a low GMAT score, but it's probably because English is their second or third language or they have some other extremely desirable attribute or set of attributes (including possibly race/economic background/etc.)

[Uriel]

Look it up. Standardized tests don't measure everything. A lot of people have gotten into Stanford Business School (arguably the best business school on the planet) with a low 600 GMAT score.
Isn't it Wharton?

[Uriel]

I sincerely doubt that. Where did you find that number?
I didn't believe it either, at first. But apparently, it's true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575467/Did-better-Scarlet-Johansson-Natalie-Portman-Bill-Clinton-Celebrities-SAT-scores-revealed-amid-controversy-regrading.html

[Nbadan]

I didn't believe it either, at first. But apparently, it's true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575467/Did-better-Scarlet-Johansson-Natalie-Portman-Bill-Clinton-Celebrities-SAT-scores-revealed-amid-controversy-regrading.html

Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rhodes_Scholars

[Nbadan]

Who's dumber - the presidents or the people who elected them and then re-elected them?

:clap I hurt for America...

[scanry]

Isn't it Wharton?

Stanford is a better business school than Wharton tbh. In fact GSB is the hardest school to crack in the US.

[Uriel]

Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rhodes_Scholars
He most likely got it because of all his leadership positions in Georgetown, not because of his academic aptitude.