Obama salute thread

[cantthinkofanything]

It would be funny if only he just fucked up once in a while. He acts like they are hotel doormen or something.

http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2014/09/23/coffee_c0-164-810-636_s561x327.jpg?795869fc1b78f17d8126ad2c662d0ef5b 287020a

[ChumpDumper]

Outrage!

[SnakeBoy]

Pretty disrespectful tbh

[ChumpDumper]

Outrage!

[cantthinkofanything]

Outrage!

I wouldn't expect other response from you. You'd make just as shitty a president.

[ChumpDumper]

What's the matter?

I posted:
Outrage!!

[cantthinkofanything]

What's the matter?

I posted: Outrage!!

My bad. Spot on then. But you'd still make a shitty president.

[ChumpDumper]

My bad. Spot on then. But you'd still make a shitty president.Why so hostile?

You went straight from outrage to meltdown.

[cantthinkofanything]

Why so hostile?

You went straight from outrage to meltdown.

My bad. The Lithium Orotate must not be working yet.

[boutons_deux]

Ankle biters, grab yer pitchforks and lynching rope!

[Shastafarian]

There are several other things to rightfully criticize him for. This is really stupid.

[boutons_deux]

The 6 Dumbest Right-Wing Attacks Against Obama

Right-wing media are attacking (http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/09/23/the-medias-imaginary-coffee-salute-scandal/200863) [3] President Obama as disrespectful for saluting Marines while holding a coffee cup. The attacks come even though President Bush saluted service members while holding his dog.

Since the president took office, conservative media have repeatedly seized on petty minutiae unrelated to policy issues to attack the president. These supposed scandals include Obama ordering a burger with mustard, purportedly "ogling" a young woman at a G8 summit, decorating the White House Christmas tree with inappropriate ornaments, and using a "chintzy" paper clip on a jobs proposal.

Here's a look back at some of the silliest and short-lived Obama administration scandals.

1. The time Obama ordered a burger with mustard.

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2014/09/24/20140924post-mustard.jpg

In May 2009, conservatives criticized (http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/05/07/dijon-derangement-syndrome-conservative-media-a/149946) [4] Obama as an elitist because he ordered a burger with "spicy mustard" or "Dijon mustard." Fox News host Sean Hannity said "man of the people" Obama ordered a "fancy burger" with a "very special condiment" and ran the caption "President Poupon." Radio host Mark Steyn asserted Obama is trying "to enlighten us" with his mustard order. And radio host Laura Ingraham asked of Obama: "What kind of man orders a cheeseburger without ketchup but Dijon mustard? ... The guy orders a cheeseburger without ketchup? What is that?"

2. When Obama dared to use a "chintzy" binder clip.

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2014/09/24/20140924post-clip.jpg

When President Obama presented his American Jobs Act in September 2011, he held a physical copy of the plan accompanied by a paper clip, which conservatives attacked (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/09/13/shockingly-petty-news-corp-outlets-attack-obama/181092) [5] as "chintzy."

The New York Post said the plan was "bound by chintzy fastener," and expanded: "President Obama's plan to reverse the nation's staggering jobless rate is held together with a paper clip! 'Here it is,' Obama said, waving a copy of his jobs plan during a ceremony in the White House Rose Garden yesterday, an enormous paper clip binding the pages together." Fox & Friends' Steve Doocy remarked of the presentation: "Hundreds of billions in tax hikes and new spending bound together with a chintzy clip. Look at that thing." The Five's Greg Gutfeld said: "You make a good point about them scrambling because if you notice, that was not in a binder. It was held together by a paperclip ... Come on, this is your jobs bill. That deserves a large shiny binder. Instead, it's with a little clip."

3. When conservatives claimed that Obama was "checking out" a young woman at a G8 photo shoot.

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/photo-20090709-fnf3.jpg

In July 2009, a photo appeared of President Obama purportedly "checking out" a young woman at a G8 summit photo shoot. However the still photo was not accurate (http://mediamatters.org/myths/barack-obama-checked-out-a-17-year-old-girl-at-a-g-8-summit) [6] as "viewing video of the event makes clear that Obama was attempting to navigate high steps, while reaching back to help someone behind him do so as well." Fox News host Greta Van Susteren stated (http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/07/10/busted-fox-news-still-running-with-obama-g8-pho/151898) [7]: "Yes, a still picture can lie. And this one does. The president was not [checking out the young woman], well, we'll let you see for yourself. The lying picture that's going around the web."

Despite video evidence (http://mediamatters.org/video/2009/07/10/van-susteren-airs-video-of-obama-g8-photo-shoot/151883) [8] to the contrary, conservatives, including Van Susteren's colleagues, attacked President Obama. Fox & Friends aired a caption stating (http://mediamatters.org/video/2009/07/10/fox-vs-fox-fox-amp-friends-assert-obama-sneaked/151884) [9] as fact that Obama took a "sneak peek" at a "beauty's backside," while Fox Nation ran (http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/07/10/busted-fox-news-still-running-with-obama-g8-pho/151898) [7] headlines such as "Busted?" and "Girl Obama Was Checking Out is 17?" The New York Post ran (http://nypost.com/2009/07/10/tail-to-the-chief/) [10] the headline, "TAIL TO THE CHIEF" and claimed Obama was "getting Yankee Doodle randy." And Fox News contributor Tammy Bruce reacted (http://mediamatters.org/video/2009/07/10/bruce-on-obama-g8-photo-disgusting-michelle-oba/183107) [11] to the "ogling" by claiming "disgusting" Michelle Obama has "confidence and self-esteem issue. And maybe now we know why."

4. The time conservatives lost it over White House Christmas tree decorations.

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2014/09/24/20140924post-christmas.jpg

During Christmas 2009, conservatives attacked the White House over Christmas tree decorations. Breitbart's BigGovernment suggested the White House was making "some political statements" by having "Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White House Christmas Tree." Fox News' Special Report eatured the "interesting ornaments" on its "Political Grapevine" segment. And the Washington Times linked to and quoted an entry on the conservative NewsReal blog attacking the White House for choosing "a lovely ornament featuring China's mass murderer, Chairman Mao, to adorn our national Christmas tree at the White House."

In reality, Fox News itself noted that the "first lady's office says local community groups were asked to decorate hundreds of ornaments but that they are unaware of these specific decorations."

5. The widespread conservative "shock" and "outrage" over Obama putting his feet on his desk.

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2014/09/24/20140924post-wndfeet.jpg

Pictures have shown President Obama putting his feet on his desk in the White House. That has led to "shock, outrage and mocking criticism (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/4/obamas-feet-oval-office-desk-sends-shockwaves-arou/) [12]" from conservatives who feel the pictures confirm their view of Obama as disrespecting the office of the presidency. Despite the outrage, President Bush was also photographed (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/01/25/dear-fox-nation-was-bush-disrespecting-the-oval/159478) [13] with his feet on the desk.

Fox Nation ran a 2010 picture (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/01/25/dear-fox-nation-was-bush-disrespecting-the-oval/159478) [13] with the caption, "Is Pres. Obama disrespecting the Oval Office?" Glenn Beck said (http://mediamatters.org/video/2010/02/04/beck-and-sidekick-outraged-by-disrespect-of-oba/160052) [14] he was outraged by the 2010 photo and suggested Obama "should leave office" for showing such disrespect. A 2013 WND column wondered (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/wnd-obama-sending-secret-muslim-foot-signals) [15], "Obama Sending Muslim Subtle Message?"

6. When Obama happened to be golfing during a small earthquake.

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2014/09/24/20140924post-earthquake.jpg

When a 5.8 earthquake hit the East Coast, conservatives attacked (http://mediamatters.org/research/2011/08/24/obama-derangement-syndrome-earthquake-edition/182901) [16] President Obama for being on the golf course.

Fox News host Steve Doocy said: "So there you got panic, panic, and where was the president? He was golfing." Washington Times editor Emily Miler tweeted: "Where Was Obama During The DC Earthquake? Golfing Of Course!" And conservative blog Ace of Spades wrote: "Obama Was ... On The Golf Course When The Earthquake Struck ...

This SCOAMF Doesn't Know Shit About Jack."

CNN reported (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/23/virginia.quake/) [17] that "No major injuries or extensive damage were reported after the 5.8-magnitude earthquake."

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/6-dumbest-right-wing-attacks-against-obama?akid=12289.187590.E9Z9Lb&rd=1&src=newsletter1020609&t=19&paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

The above sorta sums us the Fox/Repug "policy" positions and proves beyond any doubt their serious treatment of the country's problems.

Fucking infantile fucktard ankle biters talking DOWN to their viewers. :lol


and then there is the famous CROTCH SALUTE! :lol

[Trill Clinton]

whats the problem?

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/36/60/1359842728_8498_barney.jpg?itok=Swb1S1c6

[tlongII]

lol alternet.org

[boutons_deux]

lol alternet.org

typical right wing response when bitch slapped

[tlongII]

lol alternet.org

[cantthinkofanything]

whats the problem?

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/36/60/1359842728_8498_barney.jpg?itok=Swb1S1c6

LOL if you have to use W as a yardstick to measure presidents.

[Fabbs]

Fox News host Sean Hannity said "man of the people" Obama ordered a "fancy burger" with a "very special condiment"
bouts there was a thread on this bitch Hannity
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179287&highlight=Sean+Hannity
and his skimming most of the money from his *charity* earmarked for injured veterans. I dont mean a few bucks, i mean the article said this bitch ass was skimming hundreds of thousands while sending vets needing a new leg 100 dollars.
We know Faux wasn't going to expose this but how did CNN, 60 minutes etc let this story die? How did it end / did it end?

[Spurminator]

Terrorist fist bumps!

[spurraider21]

Oblamo doing the same things as W. Nothing surprising here

[Cry Havoc]

LOL if you have to use W as a yardstick to measure presidents.

You do realize that Presidents have historically not saluted, correct? This includes Dwight Eisenhower, who last I checked was a fairly decorated member of the service (4 Star General). Presidents saluting staff is a recent thing. I.e., not enough historical precedent to even worry about. Presidents are civilians, not military, thus a salute should not even be expected.

We have climate change, a war, and about a thousand other things more worth our time, do we not?

[TeyshaBlue]

This is super Important.


Oh, :lol alternet

[m>s]

Outrage!
it is fucking disrespectful you little cocksucker, a little piss ant like you with know respect wouldn't get that. fuck off and die.

[ChumpDumper]

it is fucking disrespectful you little cocksucker, a little piss ant like you with know respect wouldn't get that. fuck off and die.I said outrage!

But why would you give a shit. You hate America.

[m>s]

i hate you worse you fucking pussy, stop disrespecting the armed forces of ANY country you little pansy never shot a gun looking ass

[ChumpDumper]

i hate you worse you fucking pussy, stop disrespecting the armed forces of ANY country you little pansy never shot a gun looking assI've shot a gun.

No big deal.

lol fake Nazi fake outrage is the best fake outrage.

[Th'Pusher]

i hate you worse you fucking pussy, stop disrespecting the armed forces of ANY country you little pansy never shot a gun looking ass
:lol emotional

[m>s]

I've shot a gun.

No big deal.

lol fake Nazi fake outrage is the best fake outrage.

be honest you didn't hit shit and you shrieked whenever it went off

you fucking new age beta male types are the worst

[ChumpDumper]

be honest you didn't hit shit and you shrieked whenever it went off

you fucking new age beta male types are the worstPretty good shot tbh.

I hate to think about what you are overcompensating for.

[m>s]

your little marxist training camp where you fired a few pea shooters didn't prepare you for the upcoming nationalist worldwide revolution, dude. i hate to think about what might happen to a sissyboy when that day comes.

[ChumpDumper]

your little marxist training camp where you fired a few pea shooters didn't prepare you for the upcoming nationalist worldwide revolution, dude. i hate to think about what might happen to a sissyboy when that day comes.You'll kill yourself long before anything like that could happen.

[Cry Havoc]

m>s up in this thread pretending to know about firearms. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Coal Bear crushes

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/stephen-colbert-rips-fox-friends-for-idiotic-response-to-obamas-latte-salute/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[Shastafarian]

Pretty good shot tbh.

I hate to think about what you are overcompensating for.

He's probably mad because his dreams of dick skin grafts haven't come to fruition.

[ChumpDumper]

lol Nazi foreskin pining

[cantthinkofanything]

You do realize that Presidents have historically not saluted, correct? This includes Dwight Eisenhower, who last I checked was a fairly decorated member of the service (4 Star General). Presidents saluting staff is a recent thing. I.e., not enough historical precedent to even worry about. Presidents are civilians, not military, thus a salute should not even be expected.

We have climate change, a war, and about a thousand other things more worth our time, do we not?

No...I didn't know that. And if that's the case, then I have no problem with him NOT saluting. Just walking out and giving a nod or something or whatever. It's just that the half ass salute with the coffee cup looks disrespectful. I'm not saying that it makes him a good or bad president on its own. It just seems like he is so clueless at times as to the image and attitude he projects. Rightly or wrongly, it makes a lot of people question if he's just a clueless when making decisions.

[boutons_deux]

At the same high level of serious journalism and sincere, heart-felt outrage, a Fox asshole, when a female fighter pilot bombing ISIL was the topic, mentioned "boobs on the ground", and the bubbas all went wild!

[cantthinkofanything]

At the same high level of serious journalism and sincere, heart-felt outrage, a Fox asshole, when a female fighter pilot bombing ISIL was the topic, mentioned "boobs on the ground", and the bubbas all went wild!

LOL.

I don't know what the big deal is with the female fighter. Erin Burnett (who is pretty hot from the front) was gushing about it being the first time that an Arab nation was attacking other Arabs. But then she started gushing about one being a female fighter pilot.

[Cry Havoc]

No...I didn't know that. And if that's the case, then I have no problem with him NOT saluting. Just walking out and giving a nod or something or whatever. It's just that the half ass salute with the coffee cup looks disrespectful. I'm not saying that it makes him a good or bad president on its own. It just seems like he is so clueless at times as to the image and attitude he projects. Rightly or wrongly, it makes a lot of people question if he's just a clueless when making decisions.

I would say the President of the United States probably has a lot on his mind. I'm guessing he wasn't even thinking about the coffee cup in his hand. Again, the outrage over trivial minutiae is absurd.

[cantthinkofanything]

I would say the President of the United States probably has a lot on his mind. I'm guessing he wasn't even thinking about the coffee cup in his hand. Again, the outrage over trivial minutiae is absurd.

He doesn't have any more on his mind that anyone else with a job, family, and financial shit to worry about. I don't think a President worries anymore about bombing terrorists than an average Joe worries about making ends meet. Maybe if he was doing a better job, he wouldn't get picked apart like he is. But this presidency has been a total failure.

[boutons_deux]

"this presidency has been a total failure."

You Lie

Given the stinking, DECADES-LONG shit pile the Repugs pushed him into in Jan 2009, given the 100% obstructionism of the Repugs, Dems did get ACA passed, and his Executive Orders, EPA rulings have been excellent.

Never Forget: Repugs BROKE the Middle East, the Repugs OWN their Middle East.

[DarrinS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM8l3X_7Hkg

[Shastafarian]

He doesn't have any more on his mind that anyone else with a job, family, and financial shit to worry about. I don't think a President worries anymore about bombing terrorists than an average Joe worries about making ends meet.

I hope this is trolling

[tim_duncan_fan]

Flag pin!

[tim_duncan_fan]

American sheeple and their meaningless symbols. Suppose he really doesn't give a shit at all about those servicemen (and let's be honest, he probably cares even less for servicemen than American citizens do). Would him doing a full, proper salute change how he really feels? No, but the pretend patriots would eat it up.

American sheeple love to eat bullshit and that's why this country is stagnating. Sheeple are worried about the dumbest shit imaginable.

Idiots.

[Cry Havoc]

He doesn't have any more on his mind that anyone else with a job, family, and financial shit to worry about. I don't think a President worries anymore about bombing terrorists than an average Joe worries about making ends meet. Maybe if he was doing a better job, he wouldn't get picked apart like he is. But this presidency has been a total failure.

You can't be serious. Are you really that daft?

[boutons_deux]

"if he was doing a better job, he wouldn't get picked apart like he is"

:lol what jobs do you prefer he do? do better?

Repugs/Fox/rednecks/bubbas gonna trash him no matter what he does. This salute shit will go on for days.

[ohmwrecker]

your little marxist training camp where you fired a few pea shooters didn't prepare you for the upcoming nationalist worldwide revolution, dude. i hate to think about what might happen to a sissyboy when that day comes.

Let us know how it works out for you.

[m>s]

m>s up in this thread pretending to know about firearms. :lol
Tsa said the same shit and then I posted proof

Piss off beta

[m>s]

Let us know how it works out for you.
>implying you'll be a survivor

sorry cuck, you're just like chump and the rest, you wouldn't last a week

[ChumpDumper]

Tsa said the same shit and then I posted proofDid you post a video of a black guy firing an AR15?

[m>s]

Did you post a video of a black guy firing an AR15?
No I posted one of my ARs with a sign that said tsa is a faggot or something

[hater]

he thinks he's a hardass now

[ChumpDumper]

No I posted one of my ARs with a sign that said tsa is a faggot or somethingProves nothing.

[m>s]

Proves that I'm stacked

[Shastafarian]

Why not show all your guns?

[ChumpDumper]

Proves that I'm stackedNot at all.

[m>s]

Why not show all your guns?
>implying Id disclose that to the nsa

[m>s]

Not at all.
Shut up, faggot

[ChumpDumper]

Shut up, faggotlol u mad

A little too defensive about your lack of firepower.

[ohmwrecker]

>implying you'll be a survivor

sorry cuck, you're just like chump and the rest, you wouldn't last a week

You're a clown. Everything about this fake-ass internet persona of yours is just a sad attempt to impress amd emulate a bunch of fake-ass internet tough guys/real life nerd virgins just like you. You sad sack piece of shit.

[Shastafarian]

>implying Id disclose that to the nsa

Pussy

[m>s]

You're a clown. Everything about this fake-ass internet persona of yours is just a sad attempt to impress amd emulate a bunch of fake-ass internet tough guys/real life nerd virgins just like you. You sad sack piece of shit.
Yeah whatever makes you feel better

tines are changing, and we're going to be at the center of that

[ohmwrecker]

lol

[m>s]

The n!ggerboy holder was the first domino to fall

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah whatever makes you feel better

tines are changing, and we're going to be at the center of thathttp://www.awakeningsconnection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/spoon-bending.png

crofl

[Shastafarian]

Yeah whatever makes you feel better

tines are changing, and we're going to be at the center of that

Who's we? You got a turd in your pocket?

[TeyshaBlue]

lol UTA

[m>s]

Who's we?
Those of us who have taken the red pill

[Shastafarian]

Those of us who have taken the red pill

Holy shit you're a loser

[m>s]

>implying

[Nero5]

lol, a neonazis troll, who would've thunk it.

Anyway is this salute thing really an issue in the US of just a Fox News beatup?

[Cry Havoc]

Tsa said the same shit and then I posted proof

Piss off beta

:lmao An AR-15 proves you know guns.

K. I guess I'm an expert marksman because I have a picture of me shooting a .454 Raging Bull. :lol :rolleyes

[m>s]

There are literally hundreds of thousands of national socialists, and our ranks are constantly increasing. Visit 4chan.org/ool/ sometime and you'll see, we are so many that we have been able to get things trending on Google and Twitter like #HitlerWasRight which made the news

[m>s]

:lmao An AR-15 proves you know guns.

K. I guess I'm an expert marksman because I have a picture of me shooting a .454 Raging Bull. :lol :rolleyes
I never said I was an expert marksman, I'm competent. But I do know guns.

[Cry Havoc]

I never said I was an expert marksman, I'm competent. But I do know guns.

And you sure showed us, by posting a photo of a single gun you own (and not even a very good gun to boot, unless you like inaccurate rifles with a fantastically high rate of jamming).

Every fucking COD fanboy creams his jeans over an assault rifle because it looks aggressive, has the perception of being a menacing weapon, and he doesn't know how a real weapon is supposed to feel. Feed dat ego, breh.

[m>s]

If it's good enough for the US army its good
enough for me, despite the uninformed ramblings of a beta feminized race traitor with a tiny
penis. A good AR is 1 MOE you dumbfuck.

[m>s]

By the way that means at 100 yards the entire
grouping will be within one cry havoc cock length from the center of the target, if you're a perfect shot. And my AR has never jammed.

[Nero5]

sigh, so as an American, whose country lost hundreds of thousands of lives defeating the Nazis, you have chosen to betray their legacy and follow the failed teachings of a not very intelligent Austrian corporal? You do realise that there has been a strong shift to following Norse mythology since the senior Nazis in WW2 have been so discredited.
BTW I think you meant MOA, unless MOE has some sort of meaning?
AR is a fine weapon. Light, fairly accurate up to 200 yards, a bastard to field strip and clean, moderately reliable as long as it is not dusty and cheap to make. Curiously I read that ISIS are refusing to use them in Iraq due to reliability issues, however I think this is likely propaganda as they were left a HUGE amount of AK weaponry, which is generally considered superior in that environment.

[The Reckoning]

sigh, so as an American, whose country lost hundreds of thousands of lives defeating the Nazis, you have chosen to betray their legacy and follow the failed teachings of a not very intelligent Austrian corporal? You do realise that there has been a strong shift to following Norse mythology since the senior Nazis in WW2 have been so discredited.
BTW I think you meant MOA, unless MOE has some sort of meaning?
AR is a fine weapon. Light, fairly accurate up to 200 yards, a bastard to field strip and clean, moderately reliable as long as it is not dusty and cheap to make. Curiously I read that ISIS are refusing to use them in Iraq due to reliability issues, however I think this is likely propaganda as they were left a HUGE amount of AK weaponry, which is generally considered superior in that environment.


AK is superior in every way. The only problem is that it fires a very distinct sounding shot so every one knows what "side" you are if you start firing. 7.62x39 (ak47/sks) is also cheaper ammo than .223 (ar15). if i wanted to field an army, the AK would be the much more cheaper and efficient weapon to produce and upkeep imo.

[m>s]

SK is better than ak

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not sure what AR15's you guys are talking about but the ones I've built are superior to an AK in every single way except field stripping. Completely reliable after 10,000+ rounds and can ring an 8" steel plate at 500 yards all day.

[m>s]

Not sure what AR15's you guys are talking about but the ones I've built are superior to an AK in every single way except field stripping. Completely reliable after 10,000+ rounds and can ring an 8" steel plate at 500 yards all day.
They don't know anything about guns they're trying to troll me lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

And you sure showed us, by posting a photo of a single gun you own (and not even a very good gun to boot, unless you like inaccurate rifles with a fantastically high rate of jamming).

What in the fuck are you talking about? You'll have to explain yourself on this one.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Rifle

Caliber
Cartridge
Cartridge
weight
Bullet
weight

Velocity
Energy
Accuracy
Range


10 shot group
@ 100 meters
10 shot group
@ 300 meters
Effective*
Horizontal**
Lethal***
Maximum****


M16
5.56×45mm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm)
M193
184 gr
(11.9 g)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
55 gr
(3.6 g)
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2001-7)
3,250 fps
(990 m/s)
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2001-7)
1,302 ft/lbs
(1,764 j)
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2001-7)
4.3 in
(11 cm)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
12.6 in
(32 cm)
[150] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-The_Gun_2011._page_206-151)
500 yds
(460 m)
[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-archive.org-10)
711 yds
(650 m)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
984 yds
(900 m)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
3000 yds
(2700 m)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)


AK-47
7.62×39mm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9739mm)
M43
255 gr
(16.5 g)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
122 gr
(7.9 g)
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2001-7)
2,330 fps
(710 m/s)
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2001-7)
1,468 ft/lbs
(1,991 j)
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2001-7)
5.9 in
(15 cm)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
17.5 in
(44 cm)
[150] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-The_Gun_2011._page_206-151)
380 yds
(350 m)
[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-Isby_1988_516-8)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-izhmash.ru-9)
580 yds
(530 m)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
1640 yds
(1500 m)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
2500 yds
(2300 m)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)


Note *: The effective range of a firearm is the maximum distance at which a weapon may be expected to be accurate and achieve the desired effect.[151] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-152)
Note **: The horizontal range is the distance traveled by a bullet, fired from the rifle at a height of 1.6 meters and 0° elevation, until the bullet hits the ground.[152] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-153)
Note ***: The lethal range is the maximum range of a small-arms projectile, while still maintaining the minimum energy required to put a man out of action, which is generally believed to be 15 kilogram-meters (108 ft.-Ibs.).[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11) This is the equivalent of the muzzle energy of a .22LR handgun.[153] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-154)
Note ****: The maximum range of a small-arms projectile is attained at about 30° elevation. This maximum range is only of safety interest, not for combat firing.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
The M16 has always enjoyed a reputation for excellent accuracy.[154] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2-155)[155] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-defenseindustrydaily1-156) Newer M16s use the newer M855 cartridge increasing their effective range to 600 meters.[115] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-archive1-116) They are also more accurate than their predecessors and are capable of shooting 1–3 inch groups at 100 yards.[156] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-alpharubicon2-157)[157] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-158) The M16s light recoil, high-velocity and flat trajectory allow shooters to take head shots out to 300 meters.[154] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2-155)[158] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-159) "In Fallujah, Marines with ACOG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Combat_Optical_Gunsight)-equipped M16A4s created a stir by taking so many head shots that until the wounds were closely examined, some observers thought the insurgents had been executed."[159] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-160) The newest M855A1 EPR cartridge is even more accurate and during testing "...has shown that, on average, 95 percent of the rounds will hit within an 8 x 8-inch target at 600 meters."[160] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-pica.army.mil-161)

The AK-47's accuracy has always been considered to be "good enough" to hit an adult male torso out to about 300 meters.[155] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-defenseindustrydaily1-156)[156] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-alpharubicon2-157)[161] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-162) "At 300 meters, expert shooters (firing AK-47s) at prone or at bench rest positions had difficulty putting ten consecutive rounds on target."[162] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-163) Despite the Soviet engineers best efforts and "no matter the changes, the AK-47's accuracy could not be significantly improved; when it came to precise shooting, it was a stubbornly mediocre arm."[163] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-164) Curiously, the newer stamped steel receiver AKM models are actually less accurate than their predecessors.[156] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-alpharubicon2-157) "There are advantages and disadvantages in both forged/milled receivers and stamped receivers. Milled/Forged Receivers are much more rigid, flexing less as the rifle is fired thus not hindering accuracy as much as stamped receivers. Stamped receivers on the other hand are a bit more rugged since it has some give in it and have less chances of having metal fatigue under heavy usage."[156] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-alpharubicon2-157) As a result, the milled AK-47's are capable of shooting 3–5 inch groups at 100 yards, whereas the stamped AKM's are capable of shooting 4–6 inch groups at 100 yards.[156] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-alpharubicon2-157)[164] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-165) The best shooters are able to hit a man-sized target at 800 metres within five shots (firing from prone or supported position) or ten shots (standing).[165] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-166)

Accuracy isn't even a debate between the two.

[Cry Havoc]

Rifle

Caliber
Cartridge
Cartridge
weight
Bullet
weight

Velocity
Energy
Accuracy
Range


10 shot group
@ 100 meters
10 shot group
@ 300 meters
Effective*
Horizontal**
Lethal***
Maximum****


M16
5.56×45mm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm)
M193
184 gr
(11.9 g)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
55 gr
(3.6 g)
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2001-7)
3,250 fps
(990 m/s)
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2001-7)
1,302 ft/lbs
(1,764 j)
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2001-7)
4.3 in
(11 cm)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
12.6 in
(32 cm)
[150] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-The_Gun_2011._page_206-151)
500 yds
(460 m)
[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-archive.org-10)
711 yds
(650 m)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
984 yds
(900 m)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
3000 yds
(2700 m)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)


AK-47
7.62×39mm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9739mm)
M43
255 gr
(16.5 g)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
122 gr
(7.9 g)
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2001-7)
2,330 fps
(710 m/s)
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2001-7)
1,468 ft/lbs
(1,991 j)
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2001-7)
5.9 in
(15 cm)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
17.5 in
(44 cm)
[150] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-The_Gun_2011._page_206-151)
380 yds
(350 m)
[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-Isby_1988_516-8)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-izhmash.ru-9)
580 yds
(530 m)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
1640 yds
(1500 m)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
2500 yds
(2300 m)
[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)


Note *: The effective range of a firearm is the maximum distance at which a weapon may be expected to be accurate and achieve the desired effect.[151] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-152)
Note **: The horizontal range is the distance traveled by a bullet, fired from the rifle at a height of 1.6 meters and 0° elevation, until the bullet hits the ground.[152] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-153)
Note ***: The lethal range is the maximum range of a small-arms projectile, while still maintaining the minimum energy required to put a man out of action, which is generally believed to be 15 kilogram-meters (108 ft.-Ibs.).[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11) This is the equivalent of the muzzle energy of a .22LR handgun.[153] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-154)
Note ****: The maximum range of a small-arms projectile is attained at about 30° elevation. This maximum range is only of safety interest, not for combat firing.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-krtraining1-11)
The M16 has always enjoyed a reputation for excellent accuracy.[154] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2-155)[155] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-defenseindustrydaily1-156) Newer M16s use the newer M855 cartridge increasing their effective range to 600 meters.[115] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-archive1-116) They are also more accurate than their predecessors and are capable of shooting 1–3 inch groups at 100 yards.[156] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-alpharubicon2-157)[157] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-158) The M16s light recoil, high-velocity and flat trajectory allow shooters to take head shots out to 300 meters.[154] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-autogenerated2-155)[158] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-159) "In Fallujah, Marines with ACOG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Combat_Optical_Gunsight)-equipped M16A4s created a stir by taking so many head shots that until the wounds were closely examined, some observers thought the insurgents had been executed."[159] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-160) The newest M855A1 EPR cartridge is even more accurate and during testing "...has shown that, on average, 95 percent of the rounds will hit within an 8 x 8-inch target at 600 meters."[160] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-pica.army.mil-161)

The AK-47's accuracy has always been considered to be "good enough" to hit an adult male torso out to about 300 meters.[155] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-defenseindustrydaily1-156)[156] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-alpharubicon2-157)[161] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-162) "At 300 meters, expert shooters (firing AK-47s) at prone or at bench rest positions had difficulty putting ten consecutive rounds on target."[162] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-163) Despite the Soviet engineers best efforts and "no matter the changes, the AK-47's accuracy could not be significantly improved; when it came to precise shooting, it was a stubbornly mediocre arm."[163] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-164) Curiously, the newer stamped steel receiver AKM models are actually less accurate than their predecessors.[156] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-alpharubicon2-157) "There are advantages and disadvantages in both forged/milled receivers and stamped receivers. Milled/Forged Receivers are much more rigid, flexing less as the rifle is fired thus not hindering accuracy as much as stamped receivers. Stamped receivers on the other hand are a bit more rugged since it has some give in it and have less chances of having metal fatigue under heavy usage."[156] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-alpharubicon2-157) As a result, the milled AK-47's are capable of shooting 3–5 inch groups at 100 yards, whereas the stamped AKM's are capable of shooting 4–6 inch groups at 100 yards.[156] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-alpharubicon2-157)[164] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-165) The best shooters are able to hit a man-sized target at 800 metres within five shots (firing from prone or supported position) or ten shots (standing).[165] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_AK-47_and_M16#cite_note-166)

Accuracy isn't even a debate between the two.

So the standard you're holding the M16/AR to is the gun that's so cheap that you can give it to 8 year olds and let them walk around with it? The gun that's basically meant to walk up to close range of a person/group of people and spray ammo?

The sad thing is, in this comparison the AR still gets it's pants dropped by the AK for being a much less reliable weapon. You can grind an AK through sand, mud, dust, downpours, and the damn thing still fires. Meanwhile in perfect conditions the AR is known to jamming problems due to ejector spring issues.

Besides, the gun you're speaking of is fully automatic. m>s's gun is a semi-auto unless he's modded it to be illegal.

:lol Semi-automatic assault rifles.

:lol Defeats the purpose of what the weapon was designed for.

:lol Ego stroking weapon.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So the standard you're holding the M16/AR to is the gun that's so cheap that you can give it to 8 year olds and let them walk around with it? The gun that's basically meant to walk up to close range of a person/group of people and spray ammo?

The sad thing is, in this comparison the AR still gets it's pants dropped by the AK for being a much less reliable weapon. You can grind an AK through sand, mud, dust, downpours, and the damn thing still fires. Meanwhile in perfect conditions the AR is known to jamming problems due to ejector spring issues.

Besides, the gun you're speaking of is fully automatic. m>s's gun is a semi-auto unless he's modded it to be illegal.

:lol Semi-automatic assault rifles.

:lol Defeats the purpose of what the weapon was designed for.



You said the AR15 is inaccurate and has a fantastically high rate of jamming. To which firearm are you comparing that to?

[Cry Havoc]

You said the AR15 is inaccurate and has a fantastically high rate of jamming. To which firearm are you comparing that to?

Other semi-auto weapons. The AP4 uses a .308 round that has always been far more accurate.

A BAR Safari in either the .308 cartridge or the .338 win is semi-auto and will just laugh at the AR. 300 meters. Rofl.

No one buys an assault rifle for accuracy, dude. The fact that you're attempting to prop it up is just silly. People who buy them buy them because they're what armed forces use and because they look mean, except consumers get a gimped version so it defeats the purpose.

I'm not even knocking the AR, for field operations the M16 has been a decent (not stellar) weapon. It might be phased out soon, but either way it's adequate to decent for the usage. I'm just commenting on idiots who buy two guns (either a .45 or a .50 cal pistol and an assault rifle) and then talk about guns like they want to feel like a badass who could kill people. Point any gun noob out to me and I guarantee the first gun he's going to talk about is his beloved assault rifle. Then I level a 30 06 over my shoulder and hit a target from 1000 yards away without even putting effort into it and they get all confused. :lol I've shot many and owned an AR, they're fun to use as sort of a novelty and I got a good deal on it from a friend who was building his own M1 at the time. But I would never use it for any kind of marksmanship work.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Other semi-auto weapons. The AP4 uses a .308 round that has always been far more accurate.

A BAR Safari in either the .308 cartridge or the .338 win is semi-auto and will just laugh at the AR. 300 meters. Rofl.

No one buys an assault rifle for accuracy, dude. The fact that you're attempting to prop it up is just silly. People who buy them buy them because they're what armed forces use and because they look mean, except consumers get a gimped version so it defeats the purpose.

I'm not even knocking the AR, for field operations the M16 has been a decent (not stellar) weapon. It might going to get phased out soon, but either way it's adequate to decent for the usage. I'm just commenting on idiots who buy two guns (either a .45 or a .50 cal pistol and an assault rifle) and then talk about guns like they want to feel like a badass who could kill people. Point any gun noob out to me and I guarantee the first gun he's going to talk about is his beloved assault rifle. Then I level a 30 06 over my shoulder and hit a target from 1000 yards away without even putting effort into it and they get all confused. :lol I've shot many and owned an ARs, they're fun to use as sort of a novelty and I got a good deal on it from a friend who was building his own M1 at the time. But I would never use it for any kind of marksmanship work.

You said the AR15 was inaccurate, had a fantastically high rate of jamming, and implied it couldn't run after being drug through sand, mud and dust. I'm still waiting for the proof of this.

http://www.gundigest.com/tactical-gear/tactical-guns/gun-photos-brutal-ar-15-torture-test



And comparing .223 to .308 isn't very fair, that'd be like comparing .308 to .338 Allen Magnum. I really think you are underestimating the AR15 for it's price point.

[boutons_deux]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Cry Havoc]

You said the AR15 was inaccurate, had a fantastically high rate of jamming, and implied it couldn't run after being drug through sand, mud and dust. I'm still waiting for the proof of this.

http://www.offthegridnews.com/2014/03/31/ar-15-ready-when-you-need-it-tips-tricks-and-techniques/

Two seconds on a google search.


All of these factor into the great appeal of the AR-15 rifle for so many, but they also contribute to a common problem with the rifle. AR-15 rifles jam. There is little more frustrating (and potentially dangerous) than taking out a rifle and having it jam again and again.

No Dust, No Dirt, No Debris
Due to the intricacy and preciseness of the AR-15’s action, any dust, dirt or debris will throw off the smoothness of the mechanism, resulting in jams. While the gas blowback is enough to throw the bolt back after a shot is fired, the force at which the bolt moves forward again with the next round is significantly less. As a result, any kind of debris, however miniscule, can hinder it from moving forward freely. Take the rifle’s action apart and wipe it down with a rag. Cotton swabs can come in handy here as well. Take the bolt carrier group out of the upper receiver and clean the upper receiver. Dissemble the bolt carrier group and wipe it down. The rifle functions off of how smoothly and consistently the bolt carrier group moves through the upper receiver, so any changes and increases in friction by sand or dust can quickly lead to jams.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.offthegridnews.com/2014/03/31/ar-15-ready-when-you-need-it-tips-tricks-and-techniques/

Two seconds on a google search.

I'll go with my own experience over some beginners guide to AR15s you just posted. I don' baby my guns and they take a beating and still perform flawlessly when dirty.

And did you even click my link bro? Here is all the sand, water, and grime in an AR for you.

http://www.gundigest.com/tactical-gear/tactical-guns/gun-photos-brutal-ar-15-torture-test

[CosmicCowboy]

The highly publicized jammimg problems in Vietnam were eventually resolved. Turned out it was the ammo, not environmental factors. Shitty low bid ammo with dirty powder charge was causing the gas port fouling.

[Cry Havoc]

I'll go with my own experience over some beginners guide to AR15s you just posted. I don' baby my guns and they take a beating and still perform flawlessly when dirty.

And did you even click my link bro? Here is all the sand, water, and grime in an AR for you.

http://www.gundigest.com/tactical-gear/tactical-guns/gun-photos-brutal-ar-15-torture-test

Anecdotal vs. Something that's well known in the gun industry. Come on man, that's just silly.

And yes, obviously many ARs don't jam. If they all jammed there would have been a recall. But a lot of them do. Enough that it's not considered a rugged weapon by many enthusiasts.

We're far from the point, however. I notice m>s stopped chiming in. :lol

[Cry Havoc]

The highly publicized jammimg problems in Vietnam were eventually resolved. Turned out it was the ammo, not environmental factors. Shitty low bid ammo with dirty powder charge was causing the gas port fouling.

Yes that was back when troops were literally throwing down their m16s for aks. It's better now but they still jam. Just not as often.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The highly publicized jammimg problems in Vietnam were eventually resolved. Turned out it was the ammo, not environmental factors. Shitty low bid ammo with dirty powder charge was causing the gas port fouling.Correct, and chambers also weren't lined with chrome.

[CosmicCowboy]

Had a M16 I built out of surplus parts the military sold in the 80s that was quite reliable with good ammo.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Anecdotal vs. Something that's well known in the gun industry. Come on man, that's just silly.

And yes, obviously many ARs don't jam. If they all jammed there would have been a recall. But a lot of them do. Enough that it's not considered a rugged weapon by many enthusiasts.

We're far from the point, however. I notice m>s stopped chiming in. :lolNo, a lot of them don't jam and it is not something well known in the industry.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's great that an Obama salute thread has turned into a gun thread. Fitting for the best gun salesman of the all time.

[Cry Havoc]

No, a lot of them don't jam and it is not something well known in the industry.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-US&ie=UTF-8&source=android-browser&q=ar-15+jams

It's almost like you pretend Google doesn't exist. Except it does, and it's a common discussion amongst ar-15 owners.

Anyway, this debate borders on bike shedding at this point. So I'm not sure what the point is.

[CosmicCowboy]

Had a M16 I built out of surplus parts the military sold in the 80s that was quite reliable with good ammo.

It was pretty cool. The military would strip out the lower receiver and sell all the other parts at almost scrap price. All you had to buy new was a lower and a parts kit and you were in business for less than $300.

[boutons_deux]

"in business" ! :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-US&ie=UTF-8&source=android-browser&q=ar-15+jams

It's almost like you pretend Google doesn't exist. Except it does, and it's a common discussion amongst ar-15 owners.

Anyway, this debate borders on bike shedding at this point. So I'm not sure what the point is.

Just gun talk I guess. I don't believe they jam nearly as much as you believe they do. I also know they can be extremely accurate for a semi-auto rifle. Water, sand, and dirt don't foul the action like you think either.

Ive heard of google before.
https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&ei=R7klVJ7DB8_NoAT0-oDoAw&q=ak+47+jams&oq=ak+47+jams&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.3..0j0i22i30l3j0i22i10i30.4366.10915.0.12090.11 .11.0.3.3.0.404.2804.0j1j9j0j1.11.0....0...1c.1.54 .mobile-gws-hp..1.10.1701.0.7WEsyJq8uKQ

[m>s]

Other semi-auto weapons. The AP4 uses a .308 round that has always been far more accurate.

A BAR Safari in either the .308 cartridge or the .338 win is semi-auto and will just laugh at the AR. 300 meters. Rofl.

No one buys an assault rifle for accuracy, dude. The fact that you're attempting to prop it up is just silly. People who buy them buy them because they're what armed forces use and because they look mean, except consumers get a gimped version so it defeats the purpose.

I'm not even knocking the AR, for field operations the M16 has been a decent (not stellar) weapon. It might be phased out soon, but either way it's adequate to decent for the usage. I'm just commenting on idiots who buy two guns (either a .45 or a .50 cal pistol and an assault rifle) and then talk about guns like they want to feel like a badass who could kill people. Point any gun noob out to me and I guarantee the first gun he's going to talk about is his beloved assault rifle. Then I level a 30 06 over my shoulder and hit a target from 1000 yards away without even putting effort into it and they get all confused. :lol I've shot many and owned an AR, they're fun to use as sort of a novelty and I got a good deal on it from a friend who was building his own M1 at the time. But I would never use it for any kind of marksmanship work.

the average engagement happens at about between 50 and 300 yards..which is exactly where the AR is strongest at. lol at it not being an accurate weapon. they can be 1" MOA at 100 yards. your 30 06 is a hunting weapon and wouldn't be good for warfare, which is why the US military doesn't carry them instead of the AR. i think they know more than some effeminate race traitor on spurstalk.com.

[m>s]

Anecdotal vs. Something that's well known in the gun industry. Come on man, that's just silly.

And yes, obviously many ARs don't jam. If they all jammed there would have been a recall. But a lot of them do. Enough that it's not considered a rugged weapon by many enthusiasts.

We're far from the point, however. I notice m>s stopped chiming in. :lol
it's rugged enough for desert warfare with a dust guard you dumb ass

[Cry Havoc]

the average engagement happens at about between 50 and 300 yards..which is exactly where the AR is strongest at. lol at it not being an accurate weapon. they can be 1" MOA at 100 yards. your 30 06 is a hunting weapon and wouldn't be good for warfare, which is why the US military doesn't carry them instead of the AR. i think they know more than some effeminate race traitor on spurstalk.com.

The military doesn't carry ARs, you fucking hack. If it wasn't fully automatic it would be drastically less effective.

:lol Semi-automatic.

:lol "Lookit mah gun"

[Cry Havoc]

the average engagement happens at about between 50 and 300 yards..which is exactly where the AR is strongest at. lol at it not being an accurate weapon. they can be 1" MOA at 100 yards. your 30 06 is a hunting weapon and wouldn't be good for warfare, which is why the US military doesn't carry them instead of the AR. i think they know more than some effeminate race traitor on spurstalk.com.

"I bought a gun for engagements"

Wtf do you do? Play army with your friends? If you need to use a gun in a life or death situation in civilian life chances are the target is going to be less than 10 yards away.

[m>s]

The military doesn't carry ARs, you fucking hack. If it wasn't fully automatic it would be drastically less effective.

:lol Semi-automatic.

:lol "Lookit mah gun"

the AR15 is the civilian version of the m4..you can't get a real m4 without expensive permits

pro tip: full auto is fucking useless...military only uses semi and 3 round burst

[Cry Havoc]

the AR15 is the civilian version of the m4..you can't get a real m4 without expensive permits

pro tip: full auto is fucking useless...military only uses semi and 3 round burst

It's an M16, not an M4. Nice try.

:lol gun knowledge

[m>s]

Wtf do you do?

that's really not your concern, just know that firefights happen typically between those distances. the AR is a good all round close range to mid distance weapon. they have sniper rifles and trained snipers for longer shots.

[m>s]

It's an M16, not an M4. Nice try.

:lol gun knowledge

LOLOLOLOL

the self ownage continues

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine

fucking pleb you've never shot a gun before honestly have you?

[Cry Havoc]

LOLOLOLOL

the self ownage continues

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine

fucking pleb you've never shot a gun before honestly have you?

And in the very first line of that link:

The M4 carbine is a family of firearms that was derived from earlier carbine versions of the M16 rifle

Under the AR-15 wiki, meanwhile:

The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a small arms rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. After modifications (most notably the relocation of the charging handle from under the carrying handle like the AR-10 to the rear of the receiver), the new redesigned rifle was subsequently adopted as the M16 rifle.

Like I said. You're a kid with a single gun and you think you're a badass. :lmao

[Cry Havoc]

that's really not your concern, just know that firefights happen typically between those distances. the AR is a good all round close range to mid distance weapon. they have sniper rifles and trained snipers for longer shots.

:lmao "I'm 21 and scared to death of everyone so I got a gun to make me feel like a man."

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H99XlWQ9KsA

[m>s]

lmao muh m4 is not an m16 hurrrr

"The M4 carbine is a family of firearms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm) that was derived from earlier carbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbine) versions of the M16 rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle), which was in turn derived from the original AR-15 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15) rifle that Eugene Stoner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Stoner)designed and ArmaLite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite) manufactured. The M4 is a shorter and lighter variant of the M16A2 assault rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle). It is a gas-operated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas-operated_reloading), magazine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_(firearms))-fed, selective fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire), shoulder-fired weapon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon)with a telescoping stock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescoping_stock) and 14.5 in (370 mm) barrel to ease close quarters combat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_combat). Like the rest of the M16 family, it fires the .223 caliber, or 5.56 mm NATO round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO)."

:lmao

[m>s]

here comes the semantics arguments where he tries to pretend he was right all along :lmao go to bed clown, the m4 is an m16 variant and both came from the AR15. an m16 is a modified AR15 for military use. the main differences is the select fire instead of just semiauto.

b-b-b-ut you just got one gun :cry

keep telling yourself that pussy, i'm fucking stacked

[m>s]

an m4 is just an improved, newer m16:

"The M4 carbine is heavily used by the U.S military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces). It will eventually replace the M16 rifle for most combat units in the United States Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine#cite_note-Small_Arms.E2.80.93Individual_Weapons-6) The winner of the Individual Carbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Carbine)competition was to supplement the M4 carbine in U.S. Army service; all other services will continue using the M4 carbine and M16 rifles.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine#cite_note-ICC-7) The Army cancelled the Individual Carbine competition without selecting a replacement rifle and instead plans to equip soldiers with the improved M4A1"

the military is already starting to move towards the m4 because it's lighter and smaller but just as accurate

[Shastafarian]

Seems like you're just trying to convince yourself at this point. Also lol at you being stacked. That's not true in any sense.

[m>s]

Nah a simple wiki search did all of the convincing. It seems that you don't care about facts or reason you're just here to cut me down.

im fucking stacked and always acquiring more guns. Next is a combat shotgun still deciding between a mossberg and a Remington

[m>s]

I'm going to need to donate my safe to a relative and buy a bigger safe soon because it's getting full

[Shastafarian]

If you actually knew what you were talking about you wouldn't need to do a wiki search. I'm not here to cut you down, just getting you to enter keywords.

[m>s]

He wouldnt believe it just because I said so that's why you post proof. He said "it's an m16 not an m4!" All smugly which was wrong for two reasons. The military uses both and an m4 IS an m16 variant. He doesn't know guns and neither do you, you're just here to shitpost and troll but I already knew that.

[Shastafarian]

Like I said if you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't need wikipedia. And again, not here to troll per se.

[m>s]

i don't "need" wikipedia, i referenced it for him to read you idiot

[Shastafarian]

If you needed it enough to say what you needed to say, then you did. And you were still wrong btw. It's pretty clear the M16 and the M4 are not the same weapon.

[m>s]

They're almost exactly the fucking same, one is just a smaller and lighter variant in the m16 family and is replacing the older models in military use

[m>s]

I don't know why im arguing with trolls but please learn something


http://www.diffen.com/difference/M16_Rifle_vs_M4_Carbine

[Th'Pusher]

:lol at TSA getting his shit pushed in...and about guns, the one thing I thought he knew something about.

[m>s]

TSA actually won the argument cry havoc doesn't know what he is talking about. this is why i prefer anonymous based messageboards and imageboards vs traditional ones like this with a login because feelings get hurt and spill over into other threads. guys just come in and say "huh huh, so and so just got owned" etc just out of spite. you have better discussion when no one knows who is who and you have to respond honestly.

[Th'Pusher]

So the standard you're holding the M16/AR to is the gun that's so cheap that you can give it to 8 year olds and let them walk around with it? The gun that's basically meant to walk up to close range of a person/group of people and spray ammo?

The sad thing is, in this comparison the AR still gets it's pants dropped by the AK for being a much less reliable weapon. You can grind an AK through sand, mud, dust, downpours, and the damn thing still fires. Meanwhile in perfect conditions the AR is known to jamming problems due to ejector spring issues.

Besides, the gun you're speaking of is fully automatic. m>s's gun is a semi-auto unless he's modded it to be illegal.

:lol Semi-automatic assault rifles.

:lol Defeats the purpose of what the weapon was designed for.

:lol Ego stroking weapon.


You said the AR15 is inaccurate and has a fantastically high rate of jamming. To which firearm are you comparing that to?


Other semi-auto weapons. The AP4 uses a .308 round that has always been far more accurate.

A BAR Safari in either the .308 cartridge or the .338 win is semi-auto and will just laugh at the AR. 300 meters. Rofl.

No one buys an assault rifle for accuracy, dude. The fact that you're attempting to prop it up is just silly. People who buy them buy them because they're what armed forces use and because they look mean, except consumers get a gimped version so it defeats the purpose.

I'm not even knocking the AR, for field operations the M16 has been a decent (not stellar) weapon. It might be phased out soon, but either way it's adequate to decent for the usage. I'm just commenting on idiots who buy two guns (either a .45 or a .50 cal pistol and an assault rifle) and then talk about guns like they want to feel like a badass who could kill people. Point any gun noob out to me and I guarantee the first gun he's going to talk about is his beloved assault rifle. Then I level a 30 06 over my shoulder and hit a target from 1000 yards away without even putting effort into it and they get all confused. :lol I've shot many and owned an AR, they're fun to use as sort of a novelty and I got a good deal on it from a friend who was building his own M1 at the time. But I would never use it for any kind of marksmanship work.

:lol

[Shastafarian]

I don't know why im arguing with trolls but please learn something
Seriously, you'd think a troll would know not to argue with one of his own kind. I guess only mildly intelligent trolls know this.

[m>s]

I normally don't actually try to argue with people here because it always devolves into feces throwing but damn some of the ignorance being posted really irked me

[Th'Pusher]

:lol the bank teller got irked.

[m>s]

That's what I mean

[spurraider21]

i can tell m>s is a big call of duty fanboy

[Cry Havoc]

the AR15 is the civilian version of the m4..you can't get a real m4 without expensive permits

pro tip: full auto is fucking useless...military only uses semi and 3 round burst


an m4 is just an improved, newer m16:

"The M4 carbine is heavily used by the U.S military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces). It will eventually replace the M16 rifle for most combat units in the United States Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine#cite_note-Small_Arms.E2.80.93Individual_Weapons-6) The winner of the Individual Carbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Carbine)competition was to supplement the M4 carbine in U.S. Army service; all other services will continue using the M4 carbine and M16 rifles.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine#cite_note-ICC-7) The Army cancelled the Individual Carbine competition without selecting a replacement rifle and instead plans to equip soldiers with the improved M4A1"

the military is already starting to move towards the m4 because it's lighter and smaller but just as accurate


here comes the semantics arguments where he tries to pretend he was right all along :lmao go to bed clown, the m4 is an m16 variant and both came from the AR15. an m16 is a modified AR15 for military use. the main differences is the select fire instead of just semiauto.

b-b-b-ut you just got one gun :cry

keep telling yourself that pussy, i'm fucking stacked

:lmao

Compensating.

:lmao

Using wikipedia for gun knowledge.

:lmao

I called you out in the very first post when you got your feathers all aplomb with your assault rifle and was right all along.

:lmao

[m>s]

neat, so when you debate online you never reference sources?

lol innaccurate and muh m4 is not an m16

[Cry Havoc]

neat, so when you debate online you never reference sources?

lol innaccurate and muh m4 is not an m16

:lmao Still wrong.

:lmao Still obviously wrong.

"I'm stacked but I won't show you because I'm pissing scared of the gov'mint"

:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

"The M4 carbine is a family of firearms that was derived from earlier carbine versions of the M16 rifle"

But mah AR15 is the same thing as an M4! - m>s


:lmao

[m>s]

it's an m16, not an m4 dumbass!

[Cry Havoc]

it's an m16, not an m4 dumbass!

Last page:


the AR15 is the civilian version of the m4..you can't get a real m4 without expensive permits

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[m>s]

"The M4 carbine is a family of firearms that was derived from earlier carbine versions of the M16 rifle"

But mah AR15 is the same thing as an M4! - m>s


:lmao

lol nope nope nope

i said an AR is basically the civilian version of an m4. and i'm correct.

it's an m16, not an m4 dumbass! :lmao

[Cry Havoc]

m>s working damn hard to prove me right. It's almost flattering. :lol

[m>s]

"the AR15 is the civilian version of the m4..you can't get a real m4 without expensive permits"

true. a smart man must have said that because it all makes sense.

lol m16 not m4 dumbass etc

[Cry Havoc]

it's an m16, not an m4 dumbass!

i said an AR is basically the civilian version of an m4. and i'm correct.

:lmao Contradicting himself in the same post. :lmao

[m>s]

claiming internet victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lmao you cannot lie to me scrote you don't know anything at all about guns, your indian wife doesn't allow you to own anything bigger than a 22 it has to match your dick

[m>s]

:lmao Contradicting himself in the same post. :lmao
it's an m16, not an m4 dumbass!

[Cry Havoc]

lmao you cannot lie to me scrote you don't know anything at all about guns, your indian wife doesn't allow you to own anything bigger than a 22 it has to match your dick

:lmao Going for the ad-hominem when he's contradicted himself.

:lmao Call of Duty gun knowledge betraying him.

[m>s]

point out the contradiction, and be specific

it's an m16 dumbass!

[Shastafarian]

I think you broke him CH.

[m>s]

Maybe your support will embolden him to come back and face the question rofl

[Cry Havoc]

I think you broke him CH.

Yup. He's been reduced to a 5 year old level of discourse. Probably been reading from the xmas school of debate tactics. :lol

[m>s]

point out the contradiction, and be specific

it's an m16 dumbass!

[m>s]

i think it's safe to assume at this point that there is no contradiction

you're a freaking dumbass

[Cry Havoc]

i think it's safe to assume at this point that there is no contradiction

you're a freaking dumbass

So defensive.

So angry.

:lol

[Cry Havoc]

it's an m16, not an m4 dumbass!

the AR15 is the civilian version of the m4..you can't get a real m4 without expensive permit

:lol

[m>s]

i'll be waiting on that detailed report on the "contradiction"

[m>s]

So defensive.

So angry.

:lol
i am angry, your fucking type are ruining western society. some beta ass pussy who knows nothing about guns coming in here trying to tell me a few things.

pfffff

[spurraider21]

i said an AR is basically the civilian version of an m4. and i'm correct.

it's an m16, not an m4 dumbass! :lmao

[TeyshaBlue]

lol UTA

[Cry Havoc]

:lol m>s not getting it

[m>s]

It's the same thing dumbass :lol

[Cry Havoc]

It's the same thing dumbass :lol


it's an m16, not an m4 dumbass!

[Nero5]

an AR15 stooting MOA is possible, but perhaps unlikely with the junk ammo most seem to use and then few would practice enough to do it. With all that in mind shooting accurately when your heart rate is up, in adverse conditions, when you hands are shaky from exertion etc is a completely different thing. I think someone who could shoot 2MOA at 100 yards after a 100 yard run is doing well. The data of accuracy at X distance posted previously is fine in theory, but the prime weakness is always the nut pulling the trigger.

[m>s]

M4 is the same fucking thing except more compact :lol

[spurraider21]

i know that this is not how it works, but funny nonetheless

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10702030_367815143343527_7993024264976640363_n.jpg ?oh=e6a199b07e4fe743c627126e59e14253&oe=54B51688&__gda__=1421092921_df80329e8f9416a5990f6180306bb72 2

[Cry Havoc]

it's an m16, not an m4 dumbass!


It's the same thing dumbass :lol


This is what's hilarious. You're too proud to admit you were wrong. And it makes it all too apparent how stupid you are.

[CosmicCowboy]

Not sure why you guys are arguing. They are all M16 variants but different enough that they all have different military designations and parts are not necessarily interchangeable.

[cantthinkofanything]

Not sure why you guys are arguing. They are all M16 variants but different enough that they all have different military designations and parts are not necessarily interchangeable.

don't you need to run to the bank to put your $1000 back in?

[CosmicCowboy]

don't you need to run to the bank to put your $1000 back in?

You sure are a jealous little bitch...:lmao

That picture of a few pocket change bills just tripped you off the deep end.

[cantthinkofanything]

You sure are a jealous little bitch...:lmao

That picture of a few pocket change bills just tripped you off the deep end.

you're deflecting now. The stark reality is that Trill got you so wound up that you felt to compelled to take a picture of money, upload it to a photo service, and then post it on Spurstalk. I assumed that you might be drinking as well so I was just reminding you that you probably need to get that money back in the bank before your October porn charges start coming through.

[Cry Havoc]

Not sure why you guys are arguing. They are all M16 variants but different enough that they all have different military designations and parts are not necessarily interchangeable.

There's no argument here. m>s is trying to make it an argument, but he openly said that an M4 and an M16 are not the same thing, then said they were, in fact, the same weapon. There's no argument to be had when a person openly contradicts himself.

Now, if he wasn't using wikipedia and Call of Duty as a primary source of information, he probably wouldn't have gotten his very basic level of gun knowledge all mixed up. Trying to be a badass and posting a pic of your assault rifle is literally the height of hubris of being a new gun owner who's trying to look cool. It's not even said with disrespect, anyone who's owned a gun has been there, walked that, knows how easy it is to get a little tipsy on awesome the first time you level the irons on something bigger than a .22. He could have left it there and it would simply be acknowledged. No shame in taking pride in your new found hobby.

The rub is where you attempt to represent far more than your station. It's all too apparent when this happens. No experienced gun owner is going to brag about owning a single assault rifle. It's tantamount to showing someone a single game in your PS4 collection and talking shit about how awesome of a gamer you are.

[cantthinkofanything]

The rub is where you attempt to represent far more than your station. It's all too apparent when this happens. No experienced gun owner is going to brag about owning a single assault rifle. It's tantamount to showing someone a single game in your PS4 collection and talking shit about how awesome of a gamer you are.

or this...

http://i60.tinypic.com/2w3tl6o.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

don't you need to run to the bank to put your $1000 back in?

You sure are a jealous little bitch...:lmao

That picture of a few pocket change bills just tripped you off the deep end.

[CosmicCowboy]

you're deflecting now. The stark reality is that Trill got you so wound up that you felt to compelled to take a picture of money, upload it to a photo service, and then post it on Spurstalk. I assumed that you might be drinking as well so I was just reminding you that you probably need to get that money back in the bank before your October porn charges start coming through.

What a loser. It just rips your heart out that I happen to keep a lot of cash around just because I can. it's amazing how much money you can make on side deals when you can deal ASAP in cash. Fact is, a guy is on his way over right now with a truck I am going to give him 6K cash for that I will flip for almost twice that much. It is what it is.

[cantthinkofanything]

You sure are a jealous little bitch...:lmao

That picture of a few pocket change bills just tripped you off the deep end.

LOL. You need to take some time from the internet. I don't have time to isolate the pic...but you're 7th from the top.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/96/32/47/9632473ffbc92184e25919692c335e86.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

I see you ended the photo string with a pic of you and the family. That was sweet. Was it Kools?

[m>s]

Not sure why you guys are arguing. They are all M16 variants but different enough that they all have different military designations and parts are not necessarily interchangeable.
I'm not trying to argue with him, he's either trolling or has a comprehension disorder. I said you can't own a real m4 without expensive permits and he corrected me all like "it's an m16, not an m4!" As if they aren't the same thing. I thought it was funny.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm pretty sure the permit is still $200. They are so expensive now because you have to buy a grandfathered one from before 86. Before 86 I built and registered mine for under $600. It was fun when I could by mil spec ammo for 8 cents a round. Not so much when it jumped to 20 cents. I sold it to a guy that wanted it a hell of a lot more than I did for $6800. Now at 50 cents a round for green tip it wouldn't even be fun to shoot.

[m>s]

Yes dude I go to the range like once a month now because ammo is so damn high and I don't want to use up my cache. That green tip is hard to find sometimes unless you go to like a gun shop and pay more than the Walmart and academy prices. But you'll need it to penetrate commie armor.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yes dude I go to the range like once a month now because ammo is so damn high and I don't want to use up my cache. That green tip is hard to find sometimes unless you go to like a gun shop and pay more than the Walmart and academy prices. But you'll need it to penetrate commie armor.

????

Green tip is just 62 grain NATO spec FMJ. I've seen it down to 42 cents lately in 1K bulk.

[Cry Havoc]

Yes dude I go to the range like once a month now because ammo is so damn high and I don't want to use up my cache. That green tip is hard to find sometimes unless you go to like a gun shop and pay more than the Walmart and academy prices. But you'll need it to penetrate commie armor.

Reloading bench. Boom. Problem solved. Your ammo is now diamonds.

[CosmicCowboy]

Just checked, Natchez has Lake City green tip @ .32 a round in boxes of 150.

[CosmicCowboy]

Reloading bench. Boom. Problem solved. Your ammo is now diamonds.

all the component prices went up with ammo prices.

[m>s]

????

Green tip is just 62 grain NATO spec FMJ. I've seen it down to 42 cents lately in 1K bulk.
That green tip is steel penetrating, 42 cents is a good buy but I've negdr come across it in that type of bulk up here

[m>s]

all the component prices went up with ammo prices.
Yeah, is it truly even any cheaper anymore?

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah, is it truly even any cheaper anymore?

Oh, it's cheaper but still a pain in the ass. IMHO not worth the effort for plinking ammo. I will only mess with working up accuracy loads for bolt actions.

[Cry Havoc]

all the component prices went up with ammo prices.

Still cheaper. It's dirty work but worth it if you go through 250 rounds+ a month.

[CosmicCowboy]

What a loser. It just rips your heart out that I happen to keep a lot of cash around just because I can. it's amazing how much money you can make on side deals when you can deal ASAP in cash. Fact is, a guy is on his way over right now with a truck I am going to give him 6K cash for that I will flip for almost twice that much. It is what it is.

Ahhh even sweeter. The truck was cherry and I ended up having to give him $7000 in hundred dollar bills for the clean blue title.

Carmax just offerred me $16,000 for it.

[CosmicCowboy]

don't you need to run to the bank to put your $1000 back in?

Eat your heart out you jealous little bitch. When was the last time you made $9000 in 90 minutes?

http://i61.tinypic.com/35lwa5x.jpg

[DarrinS]

Eat your heart out you jealous little bitch. When was the last time you made $9000 in 90 minutes?

http://i61.tinypic.com/35lwa5x.jpg


Damn. Good flip!


Why didn't that dude go to CarMax himself? Did you buy it from boutons?

[CosmicCowboy]

Damn. Good flip!


Why didn't that dude go to CarMax himself? Did you buy it from boutons?

LOL, naa, I'm pretty confident Boutons has never owned anything this nice.

[m>s]

merchant shekelstein would be proud of your bartering skills scroh

[CosmicCowboy]

merchant shekelstein would be proud of your bartering skills scroh

Hey that shit all spends the same. Even nicer when it's tax free.

[m>s]

yeah what are you going to do with it?

[CosmicCowboy]

yeah what are you going to do with it?

hookers and blow?

[m>s]

guns and other toys imo

you could also donate 100 bucks to National Front and do your part to better your race

[CosmicCowboy]

guns and other toys imo

you could also donate 100 bucks to National Front and do your part to better your race

Thanks but no thanks. I'm not getting my happy ass put on the watch list. I like traveling unmolested too much. We go back and forth from Florida to the Bahamas fishing on a 64 Viking and I don't need homeland security shaking us down every time. Not my boat unfortunately but I would still be on the manifest after we yellow flagged in the Bahamas.

[m>s]

who cares about those chumps, when they're patting you down and feeling up on your junk just be sure to ask them how they like it

[CosmicCowboy]

I've had my junk felt up by LE thank you very much. It's not as much fun as you apparently think it is.

[m>s]

hey man, i'm willing to make the sacrifice to see this thing through but that's just me

i think it's a damn shame that they feel on your dick and grope your 4 year old but then some muslim bitch is allowed to go right through airport security accosted because "muh political correctness"

NF isn't even a terrorist group unless you're a jewish international banker

[tlongII]

Ahhh even sweeter. The truck was cherry and I ended up having to give him $7000 in hundred dollar bills for the clean blue title.

Carmax just offerred me $16,000 for it.

That dude must have been hard up for some cash.

[CosmicCowboy]

That dude must have been hard up for some cash.

Not sure what the situation was...I suspect a combination of events... I think he needed cash fast and just didn't realize how much the truck was worth. I was happy to accommodate him.

[cantthinkofanything]

Not sure what the situation was...I suspect a combination of events... I think he needed cash fast and just didn't realize how much the truck was worth. I was happy to accommodate him.

I don't understand what you do for a living. You flip trucks to CarMax?

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't understand what you do for a living. You flip trucks to CarMax?

You obviously don't understand a lot of things dumbass.

[TeyshaBlue]

Lol....I did the same thing last week...but not to the level you did.
Dude at my wife's work sold me a 99 F150 with 90k for $500....didn't want the ex getting anything from the sale. :lol
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/20140929_185345_HDR_zpsrlu42sg0.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/teyshablue/media/20140929_185345_HDR_zpsrlu42sg0.jpg.html)

[cantthinkofanything]

You obviously don't understand a lot of things dumbass.

OK. So...you're not going to share?

[CosmicCowboy]

Lol....I did the same thing last week...but not to the level you did.
Dude at my wife's work sold me a 99 F150 with 90k for $500....didn't want the ex getting anything from the sale. :lol
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/20140929_185345_HDR_zpsrlu42sg0.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/teyshablue/media/20140929_185345_HDR_zpsrlu42sg0.jpg.html)

Sweet.

That's a clean truck. You hit a home run on that one. Keep changing coil packs and plugs as needed and it's good for at least another 150,000 miles

[TeyshaBlue]

I call it "The Urban Legend". I let my son buy it from me for what I paid for it. It'll make a good truck for him. :tu

[CosmicCowboy]

Ka Ching.

just dropped 16K in the bank. Thank you CarMax. They were actually a pleasure to deal with.

Interestingly enough they paid way over SA blue book because they will put it on a car hauler and send it up to the northeast on one of their lots there and probably sell it for 25K. They love used Texas 4X4's up there because they haven't been driven in salt. If I had sent it to the auction here it probably would have only brought 12K.

Trill, don't take your smoking 94 DeVille with the plastic missing in front of the tail lights in there expecting to bring rain, though...they are picky.

[Trill Clinton]

hard work pays off. nothing was given to me. #selfmade #foreign #mygirldrivesanaudi #owwwww http://i57.tinypic.com/kw8yu.jpg i got a ranch too doggie:lol

[m>s]

youve been known to post pictures of random n!ggers and try to pass them off as yourself