Black-ish??????

[Avante]

I always find this sort of thing as being a...???? What if we tried...White-ish? How about the White Entertainment Network? A magazine...Ivory (Ebony)? What about schools that are Historically White Colleges & Universties like we have with Grambling, Howard, Alcorn etc etc?

Hell...a website for just black singles? How about one for just white singles?

What gives?

[Avante]

Hmmmm?

Black tv shows.

Amos & Andy
The Bill Cosby Show
The Jeffersons
Red Foxx...what was that called?
The Flip Wilson Show

I know there was more than that.

[spurraider21]

Hmmmm?

Black tv shows.

Amos & Andy
The Bill Cosby Show
The Jeffersons
Red Foxx...what was that called?
The Flip Wilson Show

I know there was more than that.
does this mean shows with a predominantly white cast are "white shows"... in which case there are plenty

u were referring to sanford and son with redd foxx

[Avante]

does this mean shows with a predominantly white cast are "white shows"... in which case there are plenty

u were referring to sanford and son with redd foxx

The thing is those....white shows....don't play up "white'. While those black shows do play up...we is black...and it's obvious.

My aunt had a Redd Foxx record, he tells this story...

Soldier writes home to his wife...."Honey, if I don't get home pretty soon, I'm going to have to start buying sumthing"
Wife writes back...."Honey, if you don't send some money home soon I'm going to have to start selling sumthing'

Ha~~~~

[Infinite_limit]

Black viewers/customers need to be catered to. Unlike Asians & Browns who simply buy/watch the best. Which is why Blacks are and continue to remain so stereotypical.

[spurraider21]

It doesn't get much more white than the Brady bunch. Even the slave was white

[Avante]

I wonder who the sponsers will be?

[ChumpDumper]

I wonder who the sponsers will be?Products and services white people use.

[Avante]

I've always wondered if the souths love for football would out weigh their racism. If they had the choice would those SEC schools still be lilly white which means they are not in the NCAA mix when it comes to Championships?

I can see it now...

Southern redneck hick..."look guys if we plan on competing on the national stage we're going to need those N..... us white boys are simply too slow"

[ChumpDumper]

Why did you just hijack your own thread?

[Chinook]

Black-ish is a show for white people who want to seem trendy by watch "black shows". It's the modern-day equivalent of the old minstrel shows.

[spurraider21]

Black-ish is a show for white people who want to seem trendy by watch "black shows". It's the modern-day equivalent of the old minstrel shows.
this. its like when people thought they learned a lot of black culture/references by watching bringing down the house

[Avante]

Black-ish is a show for white people who want to seem trendy by watch "black shows". It's the modern-day equivalent of the old minstrel shows.

You do know a lot of hillbillies in those old mintrel shows, right?

[kobe4life]

Rumor has it God is going to make an appearance on one of the episodes of Black-ish this season. I'm sure that episode will get the highest ratings out of any tv show this year.

[Chinook]

You do know a lot of hillbillies in those old mintrel shows, right?

You forgot a word. I wouldn't normally care, but I'm not sure what you're asking as a result? Do I know that old hillbillies played in those shows? Yes, in fact, it was pretty much exclusively white performers in black face portraying slaves. That's how white folk started playing the banjo in the first place. Do I know that a lot of hillbillies attended those shows? No, because the shows were actually much more prominent in the Northern cities. Do I know any of the hillbillies in those shows? No. They've been dead for a long time, and they weren't the type of people I'd like to know anyway.

[Avante]

Rumor has it God is going to make an appearance on one of the episodes of Black-ish this season. I'm sure that episode will get the highest ratings out of any tv show this year.

Why would John Cena be on that show?

[Avante]

You forgot a word. I wouldn't normally care, but I'm not sure what you're asking as a result? Do I know that old hillbillies played in those shows? Yes, in fact, it was pretty much exclusively white performers in black face portraying slaves. That's how white folk started playing the banjo in the first place. Do I know that a lot of hillbillies attended those shows? No, because the shows were actually much more prominent in the Northern cities. Do I know any of the hillbillies in those shows? No. They've been dead for a long time, and they weren't the type of people I'd like to know anyway.

Why try and talk about something you obviously know little about?

[Chinook]

Why try and talk about something you obviously know little about?

I probably know more about minstrel shows than you do.

[Avante]

I probably know more about minstrel shows than you do.

Well since I;m holding a booklet in my hand that tells the whole story, I sort of doubt it. The booklet came with..."Good For What Ails You"...a two CD set featuring music from the 20's/30's that came from the mintrel show performers.


Yep, they go way back to Europe.

[Chinook]

Well since I;m holding a booklet in my hand that tells the whole story, I sort of doubt it. The booklet came with..."Dood For What Ails You"...a two CD set featuring music from the 20's/30's that came from the mintreal show performers.

Claro. :rolleyes

[Avante]

Claro. :rolleyes

Smart move little fella.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y--afZEdhEA

[Chinook]

Smart move little fella.

Indeed. I wouldn't want to get schooled by a booklet. It's not like I didn't have to write a research paper on it or anything.

[Avante]

Indeed. I wouldn't want to get schooled by a booklet. It's not like I didn't have to write a research paper on it or anything.

Trust me this 72 page booklet complete with 48 songs from those who performed in those minstrel schools, totally covers it.

So what was the first minstrel show here in the USA?

[Chinook]

Trust me this 72 booklet complete with 48 songs from those who performed in those mintrel schools, totally covers it.

Totally.

Particular reason why you going on about this, Pops? I simply asked what you meant by "You do know a lot of hillbillies in those old mintrel shows, right?". You still haven't really answered what you meant, so I don't know if I've even answered your original question.

[Avante]

Totally.

Particular reason why you going on about this, Pops? I simply asked what you meant by "You do know a lot of hillbillies in those old mintrel shows, right?". You still haven't really answered what you meant, so I don't know if I've even answered your original question.

I could have swore ya said...

I probably know more about minstrel shows than you do.

Which isn't true.

Those mintrel shows here in the USA had both blacks/hillbillie performers.

[Chinook]

Those mintrel shows here in the USA had both blacks/hillbillie performers.

Okay. What does that have to do with anything? You know that the actors in "Black-ish" are black too, right?

And why do you keep leaving off the 's' in "minstrel"?

[spurraider21]

:corn:

[Avante]

Okay. What does that have to do with anything? You know that the actors in "Black-ish" are black too, right?

And why do you keep leaving off the 's' in "minstrel"?

Why do you leave off the 's"

Particular reason why you going on about this, Pops? I simply asked what you meant by "You do know a lot of hillbillies in those old*** mintrel shows***, right?". You still haven't really answered what you meant, so I don't know if I've even answered your original question.

Sorta back fired...huh?

I noticed ya back off....I know more about the minstrel shows than you do. Like I said...no you don't.

[Chinook]

Why do you leave off the 's"

Particular reason why you going on about this, Pops? I simply asked what you meant by "You do know a lot of hillbillies in those old*** mintrel shows***, right?". You still haven't really answered what you meant, so I don't know if I've even answered your original question.

Sorta back fired...huh?

I noticed ya back off....I know more about the mintsrel shows than you do. Like I said...no you don't.

What? I literally copied and pasted your quote about "mintrel shows", which is why it had the 's' left off. You do realize that that is the exact quote from you, right? Hence, the quotation marks.

Also, I wasn't asking to make fun of you. I was asking because you were doing it consistently. I saw after researching a bit more that it's actually an extremely rare variant that was popular about 100 years ago. Didn't know if you were going off that.

I didn't back off so much as we didn't really start anything. I said, 'I probably know about minstrel shows than you.' You said, 'No you don't.' I said, 'Whatever,' and then tried to get back to the point of the thread.

[ChumpDumper]

Those mintrel shows here in the USA had both blacks/hillbillie performers.


Why do you leave off the 's"lol

[Avante]

What? I literally copied and pasted your quote about "mintrel shows", which is why it had the 's' left off. You do realize that that is the exact quote from you, right? Hence, the quotation marks.

Also, I wasn't asking to make fun of you. I was asking because you were doing it consistently. I saw after researching a bit more that it's actually an extremely rare variant that was popular about 100 years ago. Didn't know if you were going off that.

I didn't back off so much as we didn't really start anything. I said, 'I probably know about minstrel shows than you.' You said, 'No you don't.' I said, 'Whatever,' and then tried to get back to the point of the thread.

Why ignore this?

Trust me this 72 page booklet complete with 48 songs from those who performed in those minstrel schools, totally covers it.

So what was the first minstrel show here in the USA?

Dude....spelling???? Come on man, hahaha!!!!!!


I'm a huge fan of the origins of music I thought you knew that? The who influenses who. and where did it all come from.

I know all there is to know about those minstrel shows, especially here in the USA.

[Chinook]

lol

Now it's getting weird. Chump, I asked Avante why he left off the 's' in "minstrel". He responded by quoting me (though he didn't indicate it in his post) quoting his original question to me, which was the first instance of him dropping the 's'. However, he used his own quote as evidence that I too had left off the 's' and was thus caught being hypocritical. Now you take his quoting me quoting him and turn it around to make it seem like he was being the hypocrite. Damn.

Avante either made a consistent spelling mistake or used a rare variant of 'minstrel'. I asked him about it, and he took it the wrong way. That's where we are.

[Avante]

Dude, who gives a fuck about silly shit like thart? You really that tiny?

Oh look I can't spell..that.

[ChumpDumper]

Those mintrel shows here in the USA had both blacks/hillbillie performers.


Why do you leave off the 's"


Dude....spelling???? Come on man, hahaha!!!!!!crofl

[Chinook]

Why ignore this?

Trust me this 72 page booklet complete with 48 songs from those who performed in those minstrel schools, totally covers it.

You can't possibly believe that 48 songs cover more than 100 years of music, do you? That doesn't seem to jive with the rest of your persona.


So what was the first minstrel show here in the USA?

Dunno. I bet I could look it up. But I won't pretend that I knew the answer already. That part of minstrel history was of little interest to me. The affects it had on American culture were more important.


Dude....spelling???? Come on man, hahaha!!!!!!

Again, I was asking about it. Had you only done it once, I would have chalked it up to a spelling mistake and ignored it. But since you did it multiple times, I assumed it was intentional, so I wanted to know why. Contrary to what it may look like, this could/could have been an interesting conversation without all the gamesmanship crap.


I'm a huge fan of the origins of music I thought you knew that? The who influenses who. and where did it all come from.

The hell would I know that? Did I miss that edition of your newsletter. That would probably be much more interesting than the track stuff you're always pushing.


I know all there is to know about those minstrel shows, especially here in the USA.

Really random, but all right.

[Avante]

Ever notice when a black person becomes the first black to do something we hear about it?

Hmmmmm?

First black to play in the old SWC...Jerry Levias SMU

First black to...

win the Olympic 100m....Eddie Tolan USA/Michigan 1932 (If not for injuries USC's Howard Drew in 1916 would have been the first)

win an Oscar...Butterfly McQueen Gone With The Wind.

perform on the Grand Old Opry....DeFord Bailey a fantastic harmonica player

QB to win a Superbowl...Doug Williams Redskins/Grambling

gain a 1000 yards in an NFL season....Joe 'The Jet" Perry Niners/Compton JC

win the Heisman...Ernie Davis Syracuse

[spurraider21]

"I know all there is to know. It's right here in my handbook with 48 songs."

:lol

[Chinook]

Why did you just hijack your own thread?

[Avante]

You can't possibly believe that 48 songs cover more than 100 years of music, do you? That doesn't seem to jive with the rest of your persona.



Dunno. I bet I could look it up. But I won't pretend that I knew the answer already. That part of minstrel history was of little interest to me. The affects it had on American culture were more important.



Again, I was asking about it. Had you only done it once, I would have chalked it up to a spelling mistake and ignored it. But since you did it multiple times, I assumed it was intentional, so I wanted to know why. Contrary to what it may look like, this could/could have been an interesting conversation without all the gamesmanship crap.



The hell would I know that? Did I miss that edition of your newsletter. That would probably be much more interesting than the track stuff you're always pushing.



Really random, but all right.

Whatever, wow~~~~~~

[Avante]

"I know all there is to know. It's right here in my handbook with 48 songs."

:lol

Why continue to talk about things you know...0...about?

My 72 page booklet digs deeper than this does...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minstrel_show

[Chinook]

Whatever, wow~~~~~~

I thought it was pretty conciliatory, honestly. If you happen to be an expert on the minstrel era, more power to you. As I said, I'd find posts about that much more interesting than ones about old sports.

[Avante]

I thought it was pretty conciliatory, honestly. If you happen to be an expert on the minstrel era, more power to you. As I said, I'd find posts about that much more interesting than ones about old sports.

Hate to break it to ya like this but not too concerned with what you want or don't want. I post about what interests me.

As far as the minstrel shows thing goes, we don't have the "recorded" songs way back when. I do have those from the 20's from those who were successful after they left the circuit.

One in particular was an old bluesman from the Piedmont....Pink Anderson. He's the guy Pink Floyd got the ...Pink.

[spurraider21]

I thought it was pretty conciliatory, honestly. If you happen to be an expert on the minstrel era, more power to you. As I said, I'd find posts about that much more interesting than ones about old sports.
eh, he claims to be an expert in anything he owns a book/almanac in

[Chinook]

Hate to break it to ya like this but not too concerned with what you want or don't want. I post about what interests me.

As far as the minstrel shows thing goes, we don't have the "recorded" songs way back when. I do have those from the 20's from those who were successful after they left the circuit.

One in particular was an old bluesman from the Piedmont....Pink Anderson. He's the guy Pink Floyd got the ...Pink.

I know that we don't have recordings from the early minstrel era. But songs still get passed down through the years. That's definitely true of the old banjo reels (which is the part that made me interested in minstrel shows in the first place).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znirKZGotzw

Didn't know the Pink thing. Interesting, and that will stick with me for much longer than the list of Raiders who won the Heisman trophy.

[Avante]

I know that we don't have recordings from the early minstrel era. But songs still get passed down through the years. That's definitely true of the old banjo reels (which is the part that made me interested in minstrel shows in the first place).

Didn't know the Pink thing. Interesting, and that will stick with me for much longer than the list of Raiders who won the Heisman trophy.

There are songs like....The House of the Rising Sun....where nobody knows where it came from. All we know is the Animals brought it to our attention. We also know Clarence Ashley recorded the first version here in the USA in 1933. But he didn't write it.

Texas Alexander does a "House of the Rising Sun" in 1928 but it's an entirely different tune.

The Floyd in Pink Floyd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9SivL7ebg4&list=RDx9SivL7ebg4#t=14

[Chinook]

There are songs like....The House of the Rising Sun....where nobody knows where it came from. All we know is the Animals brought it to our attention. We also know Clarencve Ashley recorded the first version here in the USA in 1933. But he didn't write it.

My favorite version of that song is probably the one the Platters did back in the day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmA3FiXEQXA

[Avante]

eh, he claims to be an expert in anything he owns a book/almanac in

Nope!

It's when ya own 10-12 books and have 50 some years experience.

I was 11 when the old AFL came into existenc, I saw the very first Raider game. Would you believe they were almost called the Oakland Senors? Yep, I know all there is to know about..."your"...Raiders.

[spurraider21]

Nope!

It's when ya own 10-12 books and have 50 some years experience.

I was 11 when the old AFL came into existenc, I saw the very first Raider game. Would you believe they were almost called the Oakland Senors? Yep, I know all there is to know about..."your"...Raiders.
I know about the Senors as well. That's why the talk of a move to San Antonio was funny... San Antonio Senors

Do you know what inspired Al Davis' fascination of building a team with elite size/speed?

[Avante]

My favorite version of that song is probably the one the Platters did back in the day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmA3FiXEQXA

That was great, only the second time I've heard it. That version along with one Waylon Jennings does are in my opinion the best.

Lead Belly does a version as does the Callahan Brithers. There are others.

This is the original from 1933



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=147kS8O59Qs&list=RD147kS8O59Qs

[Chinook]

That was great, only the second time I've heard it. That version along with one Waylon Jennings does are in my opinion the best.

Lead Belly does a version as does the Callahan Brithers. There are others.

This is the original from 1933



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=147kS8O59Qs&list=RD147kS8O59Qs

Nifty. Has a bluegrassy feel to it. Would have liked it to have a bit more drive, though. It's kind of boring to hear the same exact melody for so long.

We have this version that was sung by a 10-year-old on America's Got Talent last year. Damn that girl's a prodigy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbK_1K1NDdM#t=115


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbK_1K1NDdM

Click the link or skip to the 1:50 mark.

[Avante]

I know about the Senors as well. That's why the talk of a move to San Antonio was funny... San Antonio Senors

Do you know what inspired Al Davis' fascination of building a team with elite size/speed?

Dude, why do you do that? Who doesn't know where Davis got his obsession with size/speed.....come on man.

[Avante]

Nifty. Has a bluegrassy feel to it. Would have liked it to have a bit more drive, though. It's kind of boring to hear the same exact melody for so long.

We have this version that was sung by a 10-year-old on America's Got Talent last year. Damn that girl's a prodigy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbK_1K1NDdM#t=115


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbK_1K1NDdM

Click the link or skip to the 1:50 mark.
In a word...outstanding!!!! I'd never seen that before. What a talent.

This is my favorite version.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5HRlkqhyuA

[spurraider21]

Dude, why do you do that? Who doesn't know where Davis got his obsession with size/speed.....come on man.
Probably the person that isn't answering it

[spurraider21]

Nifty. Has a bluegrassy feel to it. Would have liked it to have a bit more drive, though. It's kind of boring to hear the same exact melody for so long.

We have this version that was sung by a 10-year-old on America's Got Talent last year. Damn that girl's a prodigy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbK_1K1NDdM#t=115


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbK_1K1NDdM

Click the link or skip to the 1:50 mark.
:wow... that's incredible

[Avante]

Probably the person that isn't answering it

Are you ever going to figure this out? Longggggggggggggg time football fan...ok?

Davis once went to a baseball game and saw the size/speed there, I think it was a Dodgers game or maybe a Giants game.

Why you constantly challenge me...??????? Why not get a pen/pad and learn something...ok?

[Chinook]

In a word...outstanding!!!! I'd never seen that before. What a talent.

This is my favorite version.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5HRlkqhyuA

Yep. I looked up that version when you mentioned it a few posts back. I like it better than the one the Animals did. In fact, I really don't care for their version, so it took me years to like the song at all. It probably wasn't until I heard dulcimer covers of it that I gave it another chance.

An example of dulcimer cover:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuDSrcs4fmI

[spurraider21]

Are you ever going to figure this out? Longggggggggggggg time football fan...ok?

Davis once went to a baseball game and saw the size/speed there, I think it was a Dodgers game or maybe a Giants game.

Why you constantly challenge me...??????? Why not get a pen/pad and learn something...ok?
it was the yankees

[Avante]

Yep. I looked up that version when you mentioned it a few posts back. I like it better than the one the Animals did. In fact, I really don't care for their version, so it took me years to like the song at all. It probably wasn't until I heard dulcimer covers of it that I gave it another chance.

I like everyone else just assumed that was an Animals song when it first came out. Hell, I thought that for decades. Then around 94 or so I buy this Lead Belly CD at a yard sale. So there I am listening to it when he starts singing about....there is a house in New Orleans....huh? I knew he 'd died in 1949 so ....huh???? Yep, I preceded to find out what was going on.

There is also a real primitive cover by a Bessie Turner from around 1937.

I do like the Animals version.

[Avante]

it was the yankees

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it was the Dodgers.

I'm just guessing about this but he probably saw Willie Davis running. Davis was considered the fastest player in the majors back in his day.

[spurraider21]

nina simone gave a very different twist of it as well... much more accelerated and just different. im not a particular fan but its always interesting to hear a different take on a song


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT3rJz4jSQQ

[Chinook]

I do like the Animals version.

I like the power the song brings. For something sung by a white band in the 60s, that really had some soul in it. But I also feel like the loud parts were misplaced. Also, I don't really think the lyrics fits the instruments the band used. I think it's much more of a piano gospel than a guitar rock/ballad. The Jennings one was country, but I also think that it did a better job at catching the mood of the song. Like it's a cowboy who's about to do something major and he's lamenting over his life.

I can just feel the struggle in the Platters one. I don't sense that at all in the Animals version. Just seems like a song.

[spurraider21]

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it was the Dodgers.

I'm just guessing about this but he probably saw Willie Davis running. Davis was considered the fastest player in the majors back in his day.
looks like we were both right on this one

http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Davis-Sought-to-Build-Raiders-Using-Best-Qualities-of-Dodgers-Yankees/aa9a4c35-2e4f-4149-9bae-308901ed7705

[Chinook]

nina simone gave a very different twist of it as well... much more accelerated and just different. im not a particular fan but its always interesting to hear a different take on a song


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT3rJz4jSQQ

Yeah, not a big fan, either. Simone had a number of odd covers. Like her version of Here Comes the Sun:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr8ol8ufSRg

I like that cover, though. Different, both from the Beatles version and from the music I normally associate with Simone. But still nice.

[Avante]

nina simone gave a very different twist of it as well... much more accelerated and just different. im not a particular fan but its always interesting to hear a different take on a song


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT3rJz4jSQQ

I 'm a huge Nina Simone fan, she's great!

That was cool, loved it! I don't recall ever hearing her do that before which shocks the hell out of me.

[spurraider21]

I like the power the song brings. For something sung by a white band in the 60s, that really had some soul in it. But I also feel like the loud parts were misplaced. Also, I don't really think the lyrics fits the instruments the band used. I think it's much more of a piano gospel than a guitar rock/ballad. The Jennings one was country, but I also think that it did a better job at catching the mood of the song. Like it's a cowboy who's about to do something major and he's lamenting over his life.

I can just feel the struggle in the Platters one. I don't sense that at all in the Animals version. Just seems like a song.
i always like the animals version, but i grew up a rockaholic so it sat well with me. i definitely can see how their style doesn't actually reflect on the origins or intention of the song, but a lot of cover/remakes have that unfortunate quality. i was particularly fond of their live version, the power of the vocals are incredible when they do get loud, and the gritty voice of something that young always impressed me

at 2:32


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5EEhzdtsUk

[Avante]

looks like we were both right on this one

http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Davis-Sought-to-Build-Raiders-Using-Best-Qualities-of-Dodgers-Yankees/aa9a4c35-2e4f-4149-9bae-308901ed7705

Funny thing is I have no idea where I got that from.

[spurraider21]

Funny thing is I have no idea where I got that from.
i used to have a lot of raiders periodicals around the house that i would read in my boredom when i was younger. for a few years we were even subscribed to the weekly silver and black magazine/newsletter... i dont even know if that exists anymore. there are all sorts of random tidbits of info i remember from those. if i had lived through those times it would probably be a stronger memory

[Avante]

I like the power the song brings. For something sung by a white band in the 60s, that really had some soul in it. But I also feel like the loud parts were misplaced. Also, I don't really think the lyrics fits the instruments the band used. I think it's much more of a piano gospel than a guitar rock/ballad. The Jennings one was country, but I also think that it did a better job at catching the mood of the song. Like it's a cowboy who's about to do something major and he's lamenting over his life.

I can just feel the struggle in the Platters one. I don't sense that at all in the Animals version. Just seems like a song.

Eric Burdon has talked about how blues "shouter" Big Joe Turner was a big influense on him. And like a lot of those British Bands they knew them blues. But.....really don't see him listening to Clarence Ashley, so how the Animals knew about that tune...???

That Platters cover on a whole other level, yep, you feel the struggle.

[Chinook]

i always like the animals version, but i grew up a rockaholic so it sat well with me. i definitely can see how their style doesn't actually reflect on the origins or intention of the song, but a lot of cover/remakes have that unfortunate quality. i was particularly fond of their live version, the power of the vocals are incredible when they do get loud, and the gritty voice of something that young always impressed me

at 2:32


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5EEhzdtsUk

Glad someone posted this version just for the records. Doesn't feel right to have a thread about this song without it.

Joan Baez did a version a few years before The Animals did:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkyYHYUcGgo

I think she did a good job capturing the mood of the song. She sounds desperate and hollow. But there's something about her voice that I just can't get into. Never been a huge fan of hers.

[Chinook]

Eric Burdon has talked about how blues "shouter" Big Joe Turner was a big influense on him. And like a lot of those British Bands they knew them blues. But.....really don't see him listening to Clarence Ashley, so how the Animals knew about that tune...???

That Platters cover on a whole other level, yep, you feel the struggle.

I think what does it for me about the Platters version is the backup vocals. They're just so deep and dark, and they're always there. It's like a band of demons that's chaser the singer and is slowly gaining on her.

[Avante]

i used to have a lot of raiders periodicals around the house that i would read in my boredom when i was younger. for a few years we were even subscribed to the weekly silver and black magazine/newsletter... i dont even know if that exists anymore. there are all sorts of random tidbits of info i remember from those. if i had lived through those times it would probably be a stronger memory

I started buying the magazines, watching the games at around 10 or 1959. My first football "hero" was number 28 for the Chicago Bears.....Willie Galimore. He was the first of the great speed/quick/elusive/black backs I'd see. Jim Brown was just a bull, and Gale Sayers wouldn't show up for another few years.

The first stud Raider was running back Clem Daneils a guy the Niners dumped (they used him as a cornerback) Daneils was right there with Abner Haynes, Paul Lowe and Cookie Gilchrist as the best in the old AFL

[Avante]

I think what does it for me about the Platters version is the backup vocals. They're just so deep and dark, and they're always there. It's like a band of demons that's chaser the singer and is slowly gaining on her.

Hard to beat female vocals in anything haunting which that song is.

Good example.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLHWOPqg-iU

Getting back to ...The House of the Rising Sun



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbu8wQdkK-g

[Chinook]

Hard to beat female vocals in anything haunting which that song is.

Good example.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLHWOPqg-iU

Getting back to ...The House of the Rising Sun



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbu8wQdkK-g

Liked it. Another example is Sinnerman, which I won't embed, since we've all heard it. I think you're definitely right that female vocals do a better job at capturing darkness than male vocals. In fact, they might do a better job at capturing emotion period.

I will say, however, that in my book, the king of adding emotion to songs was Ray Charles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq5Oyza1afg

On that same token, a lot of Beatles songs had vocals that failed to convey the emotion of their lyrics, in my opinion.

[spurraider21]

Liked it. Another example is Sinnerman, which I won't embed, since we've all heard it. I think you're definitely right that female vocals do a better job at capturing darkness than male vocals. In fact, they might do a better job at capturing emotion period.

I will say, however, that in my book, the king of adding emotion to songs was Ray Charles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq5Oyza1afg

On that same token, a lot of Beatles songs had vocals that failed to convey the emotion of their lyrics, in my opinion.
had never heard this from ray
i saw ray charles at the hollywood bowl years ago, but i was too young to appreciate what i was seeing, and i regret not being more into the concert...

my parents have a bunch of charles albums and i used to listen to em a lot the days where portable cd players were "in"

[Chinook]

had never heard this from ray
i saw ray charles at the hollywood bowl years ago, but i was too young to appreciate what i was seeing, and i regret not being more into the concert...

my parents have a bunch of charles albums and i used to listen to em a lot the days where portable cd players were "in"

Yeah, I think that cover is such a different take on the song. It felt more like a tragedy from McKenzie's view than from Rigby's. Ray added a few words, and I think they hit the spot. Dude was a master at ad libbing.

[Avante]

Liked it. Another example is Sinnerman, which I won't embed, since we've all heard it. I think you're definitely right that female vocals do a better job at capturing darkness than male vocals. In fact, they might do a better job at capturing emotion period.

I will say, however, that in my book, the king of adding emotion to songs was Ray Charles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq5Oyza1afg

On that same token, a lot of Beatles songs had vocals that failed to convey the emotion of their lyrics, in my opinion.

I totally agree about Ray Charles, I grew up listening to him Billie Holliday and Hank Williams (yep, the records my parents owned) Ray simply sold it.

First time I heard this was on a compilation, in a word....stunning.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm-nxT8wd0k

[Chinook]

Speaking of having versions of song with completely different energies, here are two versions of "Lonesome Valley".

The John Hurt version is a country-blues song that sort of upbeat:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gytJemzNTM

But then you have the version from O Brother Where Art Thou? which is pretty much a dirge:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAs4L9AKUKk

The first is actually a pretty catchy song. The second one is almost uncomfortable to listen to because it sounds so dark.

[Avante]

I have both those, (John Hurts 1928 recordings also) and had forgotten they are the same song...hahaha!!!!!!! You nailed it!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOEQTJV_3-w



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swhEa8vuP6U

[spurraider21]

Speaking of having versions of song with completely different energies, here are two versions of "Lonesome Valley".

The John Hurt version is a country-blues song that sort of upbeat:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gytJemzNTM

But then you have the version from O Brother Where Art Thou? which is pretty much a dirge:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAs4L9AKUKk

The first is actually a pretty catchy song. The second one is almost uncomfortable to listen to because it sounds so dark.
anytime somebody mentions that movie this song instantly gets stuck in my head :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meCZ5hWNRFU

[Chinook]

anytime somebody mentions that movie this song instantly gets stuck in my head :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meCZ5hWNRFU

Dan Tyminski. Same guy who sings that song Hey Brother. He became one of my favorite artists after this song (meaning Man of Constant Sorrow).

Example of his other work. Not my favorite, but this version of Boy Who Wouldn't Hoe Corn is cool because it's randomly a Celtic-bluegrass hybrid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5X4Q6jFtHg

[Chinook]

By the way, this has turned out to be quite a fun thread.

[Chinook]

Also from that movie, and along the lines to dramatically different versions:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGHdiN08DjU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBY5l10htqI

God, folk music is fun,

[Avante]

The Stanley Brothers, Bob Dylan, Roscoe Holcombe all do great versions of "Man of Constant Sorrow".

This is the first...1927

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U91IBcfl3Ic

[Avante]

Bob Dylan a huge fan of his.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CD5yMpYjtM

[Chinook]

The Stanley Brothers, Bob Dylan, Roscoe Holcombe all do great versions of "Man of Constant Sorrow".

This is the first...1927

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U91IBcfl3Ic

Indeed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCipKmyngLY

I can't hear "Bob Dylan" and "cover" in the same context without automatically thinking about All Along the Watchtower. I'm one of like six people who prefer his version to Jimi Hedrix'.

[Avante]

Indeed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCipKmyngLY

I can't hear "Bob Dylan" and "cover" in the same context without automatically thinking about All Along the Watchtower. I'm one of like six people who prefer his version to Jimi Hedrix'.

Watch Tower belongs to Dylan, it was Hendrix who covered it. I like both.

So good it hurts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjdQ1X2y9qU&playnext=1&list=PL799EFA2A52B1 FE96&feature=results_video

[Avante]

See how it goes....

Above I mentioned how the first recorded version of "House of the Rising Sun" was done by Clarence Ashley in 1933, well Ashley also recorded the classic 'Little Sadie" around that same time (maybe a little later). Bob Dylan does a great cover in Self Portrait. Actually two versions.

Anyway...

Look at where it ends up, love this!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgbrviX4WRg

[Avante]

See the guy in the above video in the middle with the short hair, that's JJ Grey.

He's one of those...who?...that should be far better known as you'll hear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk2mek0J_zU

You'd wanna mix him in with...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7ay9vutpyU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKrj4n91Scc