In your opinion, who are the top 5 players in their respective position right now?

[apalisoc_9]

IMO..

PG.

Paul, Westbrook, Curry, Parker, Goran/Lowry

SG.

Harden, Wade, Ellis, Manu, Derozan/Johnson ( shittiest position in the league right now)

SF.

Lebron, KD, Carmelo, Kawhi, Batum ( Not sure about Geroge's injury)

PF

Blake, Love, Aldridge, Davis, Nowitzki/Duncan/Jeferson

C

Howard, Noah, Gasol, Cousins, Pekovic

[mudyez]

Klay Thompson deserves one of the SG spots.

[spurraider21]

i dont feel like putting them in order, that takes up more thought than i'm willing to put, so i'll just throw in a top 5

PG: Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Stephen Curry, Goran Dragic

SG: James Harden, Monta Ellis, Joe Johnson, Lance Stephenson, Dwyane Wade

SF: LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Paul George, Carmelo Anthony, Kawhi Leonard. i think George will come back fine. if we aren't including him because he's out for the season, i'll throw in Nicolas Batum

PF: Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin, Tim Duncan, LaMarcus Aldridge, Chris Bosh

C: Dwight Howard, Joakin Noah, Marc Gasol, DeMarcus Cousins, Andre Drummond (expecting him to be huge this season)

[Sean Cagney]

Manu is not top 5 at SG right now, sorry.

[100%duncan]

Manu is not top 5 at SG right now, sorry.

Harden, Thompson, ???

[DMC]

Manu was great in the Finals in a couple games, but let's be honest... dude isn't top 5 SG in the league. He's got some attributes that no one else has, but he comes off the bench in limited minutes. You cannot put him up with high minute starters on playoff teams.

[Chinook]

PG: Paul, Westbrook, Curry, Parker, Conley
SG: Harden, Ellis, Stephenson, Ginobili, Beal
SF: James, Durant, Leonard, Batum, Anthony
PF: Griffin, Davis, Aldridge, Duncan, Pau Gasol
C: Noah, Bosh, Marc Gasol, Howard, Jefferson

[AlexJones]

Duncan hasn't been a PF for at least 6 years.

[SpurSwag]

In no order:

PG: CP3, Westbrook, Tony, Curry, Wall/Dragic

SG: Wade, Ellis, Derozan, Harden, Joe Johnson

SF: Lebron, Durant, Melo, George, Kawhi (Batum getting too much love)

PF: Blake, Lamarcus, Love, Dirk, Anthony Davis

C: Timmy, Damarcus, Dwight, Joakim, Marc / Bosh

[spurraider21]

Duncan hasn't been a PF for at least 6 years.
splitter sure as hell isn't a forward, and duncan's offensive game has moved out from the low post

[Sean Cagney]

Harden, Thompson, ???

Yes they are better than Manu right now, he is older and still a good bench player but that is where it ends. He is about a 13ppg guy now, still very good but not a top 5 SG in the league lets be real now, this is not 09.
Manu was great in the Finals in a couple games, but let's be honest... dude isn't top 5 SG in the league. He's got some attributes that no one else has, but he comes off the bench in limited minutes. You cannot put him up with high minute starters on playoff teams.
This is dead on.

[Cry Havoc]

Wow, no love for Klay Thompson in this thread. Dude is a beast, 3 point threat, and very good defender, which is rare at the 2.

[DMC]

Wow, no love for Klay Thompson in this thread. Dude is a beast, 3 point threat, and very good defender, which is rare at the 2.

Klay Thompson is overrated. Even the Warriors thought so.

[Brazil]

Duncan hasn't been a PF for at least 6 years.

Splitter he is not a PF so...

[mudyez]

I'll try it as well...in no particular order:

PG: Paul, Westbrook, Parker, Curry, Dragic ...hm: Wall

SG: Harden, Wade, Thompson, Beal, Ellis ...hm: Stephenson

SF: Lebron, Durant, Melo, George, Leonard ...hm: Batum

PF: Griffin, Aldridge, Love, Nowitzki, Davis ...hm: Bosh

C: Duncan, Howard, Noah, M.Gasol, Cousins ...hm: Jefferson

[Phenomanul]

Manu was great in the Finals in a couple games, but let's be honest... dude isn't top 5 SG in the league. He's got some attributes that no one else has, but he comes off the bench in limited minutes. You cannot put him up with high minute starters on playoff teams.

And yet he led the position in Real Plus Minus (RPM) last season... despite limited minutes...

[mudyez]

And yet he led the position in Real Plus Minus (RPM) last season... despite limited minutes...

This may have something to do with him playing against opposing bench guys (and with one of the best bench mops around himself).

That said, Manu still is one of the best SG's in the game (I probably would take him over any other SG if it's a "5 minutes left in the game, score tied" scenario), but when speaking about the top5-SGs overall, beeing able to play 40 minutes/game compared to <30minutes has to mean something.

[Phenomanul]

This may have something to do with him playing against opposing bench guys (and with one of the best bench mops around himself).

That said, Manu still is one of the best SG's in the game (I probably would take him over any other SG if it's a "5 minutes left in the game, score tied" scenario), but when speaking about the top5-SGs overall, beeing able to play 40 minutes/game compared to <30minutes has to mean something.

That's a fair statement... I'm just saying that Manu's impact goes beyond the points per game (PPG) or minutes (MPG) categories... He is one of the Spurs' primary creators... His arsenal is about as complete as one can have (despite the age) and last but not least he plays both sides of the ball (same cannot be said for many of the league's SGs)...

[Leetonidas]

PG: Westbrook, Paul, Curry, Parker, Wall
SG: Harden, Wade, Derozan, Johnson, Beal
SF: James, Durant, Anthony, George, Leonard
PF: Griffin, Davis, Aldridge, Nowitzki, Love
C: Howard, Cousins, Duncan, Gasol, Jefferson

[Brazil]

In dat SG, you have to get Green

and it's not even a homer statement unless you just consider offense

he is one of the best perimeter defender of the league... who is better at his position today ?

[mudyez]

That's a fair statement... I'm just saying that Manu's impact goes beyond the points per game (PPG) or minutes (MPG) categories... He is one of the Spurs' primary creators... His arsenal is about as complete as one can have (despite the age) and last but not least he plays both sides of the ball (same cannot be said for many of the league's SGs)...

Thats what I thought when asking myself about the 5minutes scenario.

[JMarkJohns]

Paul (-2), Curry (+1/-1), Westbrook (+2/-1), Parker (+1/-1), Wall (+1/-2)
Dragic (-2), Harden (+1/-2), Thompson (+2/-1), Bryant (+2/-1), Derozan (-1)
James (x), Durant (x), Anthony (-1), George (+1/-?), Deng (+1/-1)
Griffin (x), Aldridge (-1), Love (+1/-1), Bosh (+1/-1), Nowitzki (-?)
Cousins (-1), Howard (+1/-1), Drummond (+1/-1), Noah (-1), Duncan (-2)

[AlexJones]

Splitter he is not a PF so...

You rarely play the two together anyway. Duncan's playing a lot more with Diaw.

[Brazil]

You rarely play the two together anyway. Duncan's playing a lot more with Diaw.

well

Splitter played 1271 min last season, among which 674 minutes were with Tim on the floor so more than half. Duncan played 960 min with Boris but Tiago played much less game 59 vs 74.

look at last year duncan played in RS 820 mn with Tiago (he played 81 games) and 684 mn with Boris

so... ya Duncan played significantly PF

[Thread]

well

Splitter played 1271 min last season, among which 674 minutes were with Tim on the floor so more than half. Duncan played 960 min with Boris but Tiago played much less game 59 vs 74.

look at last year duncan played in RS 820 mn with Tiago (he played 81 games) and 684 mn with Boris

so... ya Duncan played significantly PF

Remember when you guys wanted to lynch Splits like Silver lynched Sterling? Sweet Jesus, you called him everything but, a pseudo white man. It was awful. Only your old dad, Dale backed him, saved his life, then the little critter bit me. On second thought Geico Insurance is better. No seriously, I was right about Splits. You guys was wrong.

[Brazil]

Remember when you guys wanted to lynch Splits like Silver lynched Sterling? Sweet Jesus, you called him everything but, a pseudo white man. It was awful. Only your old dad, Dale backed him, saved his life, then the little critter bit me. On second thought Geico Insurance is better. No seriously, I was right about Splits. You guys was wrong.

I'm not a good customer on dat one... I always backed up Tiago so...

[Thread]

I'm not a good customer on dat one... I always backed up Tiago so...

Yeah, right. And I'm 25 years old.

[Brazil]

Yeah, right. And I'm 25 years old.

Yeah right
but you are not 25 years old

[Brazil]

Yeah, right. And I'm 25 years old.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176817&page=3&highlight=Tiago

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210719&highlight=Tiago

any other question ?

[DMC]

And yet he led the position in Real Plus Minus (RPM) last season... despite limited minutes...
There's a difference between weighing Manu's value to the team and weighing his output vs the rest of the SG starters in the playoffs.

[kobe4life]

PG- Westbrook
SG- God
SF- Swaggy P
PF- Davis
C- Jefferson

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol enrique and joe johnson on most of the lists...2 overrated hacks

[itzsoweezee]

Joe Johnson is absolutely horrible. Do you people even watch basketball?

[cd021]

splitter sure as hell isn't a forward, and duncan's offensive game has moved out from the low post

both are centers, Duncan has been a center for quite some time now. Last 6 years sounds about right.

[spurraider21]

both are centers, Duncan has been a center for quite some time now. Last 6 years sounds about right.
duncan's offensive game has moved farther from the rim. he's shifted away from center if anything, at least offensively

[100%duncan]

Yes they are better than Manu right now, he is older and still a good bench player but that is where it ends. He is about a 13ppg guy now, still very good but not a top 5 SG in the league lets be real now, this is not 09.
This is dead on.
I was asking for your top 5 after harden and thompson

[Johnsyounger]

Davis is the best PF in basketball and it's not even close. Kid stays healthy and gets on a decent team he could be TD 2.0

[ElNono]

Manu was great in the Finals in a couple games, but let's be honest... dude isn't top 5 SG in the league. He's got some attributes that no one else has, but he comes off the bench in limited minutes. You cannot put him up with high minute starters on playoff teams.

Sure you can. I never understood the 'limited minutes' argument. He's one of the top producers in the league, and he actually helps his team win.

That said, i also agree with Harlem that the position is currently a wreck, outside of Harden as the clear-cut #1, it's difficult to rank them.

[DMC]

Sure you can. I never understood the 'limited minutes' argument. He's one of the top producers in the league, and he actually helps his team win.

That said, i also agree with Harlem that the position is currently a wreck, outside of Harden as the clear-cut #1, it's difficult to rank them.

The game is 48 minutes. If you ran a crew of Mexicans and they were raking leaves, would you consider Jose who only works one day of the week to be better than Manuel, who works every day, just because Jose has more bags of leafs in that one day than Manuel has, yet Manuel rakes all week and has more total bags for the week than Jose?

[Fabbs]

PG Curry, John Wall, Irving, Patty Mills
SG DeRozan, Manu, Stephenson
SF LeBron, Kwa Leonard
PF Davis, Griffin
C Duncan, Howard

[Phenomanul]

There's a difference between weighing Manu's value to the team and weighing his output vs the rest of the SG starters in the playoffs.

The difference being that Manu's value is doing whatever it takes [usually] for the team to win [see my sig]... most of the other SGs pad their stats for themselves, regardless of the team outcome. I'd rather have Manu's contributions in that light...

Same argument can be made for Tony...

[ElNono]

The game is 48 minutes. If you ran a crew of Mexicans and they were raking leaves, would you consider Jose who only works one day of the week to be better than Manuel, who works every day, just because Jose has more bags of leafs in that one day than Manuel has, yet Manuel rakes all week and has more total bags for the week than Jose?

But this is highly specialized work, and some mail it in while others deliver. For example, Brandon Jennings plays a shitload of minutes, but he only knows how to lose. He's a talented player, etc, but has no understanding of the game or what it takes to win. The league is littered with players like that and it's not just a matter of seniority either. Some guys never get it, some guys had it figured it out from the get go. Some do learn on the job.

It's obvious Manu's best was a long time ago, there would be no shame in him not being a top 5 at this stage, but the position has really taken a nosedive lately. It's difficult to find complete, exceptional talent at the SG spot nowadays. By offensive shine, Harden is a cut above, IMO. Guys like Danny Green excel being a specialist but the dude can barely dribble a basketball. This is a big reason you still see old guys like Wade and JJ still listed in any of these lists.

[ElNono]

dp

[Phenomanul]

I mean... even peak, prime Manu [2004-2008] was willing to come off the bench... no other player had to "sacrifice" as much ego for the sake of the team...

[DAF86]

PG-Paul, Westbrook, Curry, Parker, Dragic.
SG-Harden, Thompson, Manu, Wade, Stephenson. (Guys picking Ellis :lmao)
SF-Lebron, Durant, Geroge, Carmelo, Kawhi.
PF-Davis, Love, Blake, Aldridge, Dirk.
C-Howard, Marc Gasol, Duncan, Noah, Pekovic.

[ElNono]

I would take Monta over Stephenson. Monta has impressed me last season. I think he respects Carlisle, and he's always been talented. He is a case of a kid that could be damn good with solid guidance.

[Sean Cagney]

I was asking for your top 5 after harden and thompson

SG: Harden, Wade, Thompson, Beal, Ellis

Someone else said this and I agree but DAMN I went over the position and this is a horrible position nowadays lol. Stephenson is even on some lists and he is good but not a superstar or an all star even IMO. That is the worst position in bball so I have no quelms with some actually adding Manu if they want. Beal had one yer and is up and coming but putting him on the list was hard. Wade is fading out (Decent still at around 20ppg) and I am not a huge fan of Harden but he is good. I like Ellis game and he impresses me as some have said in here as far as the playoffs went. Thompson is a no brainer.
I would take Monta over Stephenson. Monta has impressed me last season. I think he respects Carlisle, and he's always been talented. He is a case of a kid that could be damn good with solid guidance.

I definitely would take him over Lance Stephenson. Stephensons numbers are decent and he had a good year last year but overall he is not there yet IMO because of one good year. Manus numbers are not that far off infact if you look at per.