Lowe: Green could get $9M annually

[TD 21]

Granted, it's clearly more speculation/hypothesis than rumor, but given that he's one of the most knowledgeable and connected people covering the league and not one to throw shit at the wall just to see if it sticks, I found it noteworthy nonetheless.

From 32:10 - 33:05: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-lowe-post-podcast-zach-lowe-and-amin-elhassan-ricky-rubio/


I've thought they'd re-sign him for 4/$24-28M for a long time and though at this point I'd lean closer to or at the high end of that, I'm not sure they'd go much, if any, higher . . . yet I still think they'll find a way re-sign him.

[DesignatedT]

Sounds about right.

[spurraider21]

"danny green isn't the on-ball defender that klay is"

:lol

[RD2191]

"danny green isn't the on-ball defender that klay is"

:lol
I remember watching a game last year and the Spurs were playing some garbage team. I don't remember who exactly and the analyst/commentator says "Danny Green isn't known for his defense". I just walked out of my living room.

[spurraider21]

I remember watching a game last year and the Spurs were playing some garbage team. I don't remember who exactly and the analyst/commentator says "Danny Green isn't known for his defense". I just walked out of my living room.
did you walk back in literally 4 seconds later to continue watching the game? :lol

[RD2191]

did you walk back in literally 4 seconds later to continue watching the game? :lol
:lolYes.

[cd021]

4 years, $30 million would be my guess. $9 million per sounds a bit much, even with the rising cap.

[SpurSwag]

Let Danny walk if its actually 9 M. He's a good player, but definitely not worth 9 M. I know in comparison to some of the other players getting around that money he might have a case, but at the end of the day that's a significant contract for a player who really is just a 3 and D guy with occasional flashes of other skills. Especially going into the post Duncan-Manu era, Danny won't be worth that kind of money on our team.

[TheGreatYacht]

Too much IMO

[Brunodf]

As long as the Spurs isn't paying it.

[RD2191]

Pay him what he wants. Still young and he deserves it, imo.

[Chinook]

I imagine this may push the Spurs to offer a five-year deal. I doubt anyone (who isn't terrible) is going to offer a $36M/4 deal, but I could see some $25M/3 contracts. If the Spurs go $35M/5, I don't think there will be a long waiting period to re-sign Green.

I think it's very possible some team saves up a max to throw at Klay then settles on $7-8 Million for Green. Smart GMs know that's a much better value. But I don't really see any potential fit for a Green deal in that range other than the Spurs or MAYBE the Knicks. Teams who need a win-now piece just don't have the cap space to give him that big of a deal. There's little reason for a Philly or Lakers to throw a safe a Danny. I guess Portland or Chicago (if they can't get something done with Butler) may end up being a darkhorse, and there could be some teams that want to S&T for him (Cleveland being one of them). But I think Green will leave only if he wants to. The Spurs will not be outbid.

[RD2191]

What about Green on Memphis? Would that be possible. Defense would be insane and provide much needed offense. 3 ball at least.

[illusioNtEk]

if we loose Danny, it will be a huge lose in NBA 2k14 lol

hes worth MAX money if this was a game :p

[Chinook]

What about Green on Memphis? Would that be possible. Defense would be insane and provide much needed offense. 3 ball at least.

They'll have a glut of wings under contract even with Prince moving on. I doubt they'd be interested.

[Malik Hairston]

I remember watching a game last year and the Spurs were playing some garbage team. I don't remember who exactly and the analyst/commentator says "Danny Green isn't known for his defense". I just walked out of my living room.

It was Reggie Miller, so ya, we could make an entire book of inaccurate Reggie Miller statements, just on the Spurs alone:lol..

[SupremeGuy]

if we loose Danny, it will be a huge lose in NBA 2k14 lol

hes worth MAX money if this was a game :pI hate it when my real life fandom conflicts with my video game team, tbh. :lol

[spurraider21]

What about Green on Memphis? Would that be possible. Defense would be insane and provide much needed offense. 3 ball at least.
It would be a good fit. Mike Miller was a godsend for them in the playoffs, and Green could bring a lot of that + defense instead of having to choose one with guys like Miller/Tony Allen.

but as chinook said they have quite a few wings in waiting. but you never know, the Suns signed Isaiah Thomas even though they have dragic and paid bledsoe (not in that order)

[RD2191]

It was Reggie Miller, so ya, we could make an entire book of inaccurate Reggie Miller statements, just on the Spurs alone:lol..
:lolIt probably was now that I think about it.

[Dex]

:lolYes.

"Just grabbing a beer, guys."

[Chinook]

but you never know, the Suns signed Isaiah Thomas even though they have dragic and paid bledsoe (not in that order)

Not to mention that they also had just drafted both a PG and a play-making two-guard in the first round.

[Chinook]

It was Reggie Miller, so ya, we could make an entire book of inaccurate Reggie Miller statements, just on the Spurs alone:lol..

I've wanted to make a thread about all the predictions Miller made during the WCF. It was amazing how many of them were wrong, even ones I agreed with (like him saying Duncan was done for rest of the quarter after Tim went to the bench with four minutes left, only for him to return a couple of minutes later). That man is like the Avante of TNT.

[Malik Hairston]

Just looking at other comparable wing shooters in the top 20(excluding star players):

Kyle Korver: 6.2 mil per year(+1.1 RAPM, average overall defensive metrics)
Arron Afflalo: 7.5 mil per year(-2.5 RAPM, below average/poor defensive metrics)
Klay Thompson: probable max money(+1.5 RAPM, good defensive metrics)
Trevor Ariza: 8.6 mil per year(+0.4 RAPM, good defensive metrics)
Jodie Meeks: 6 mil per year(-1.4 RAPM, poor defensive metrics)
Danny Green: ???(+1.3 RAPM, great defensive metrics)

8 mil per year seems fair, anything less is ludicrous, considering how much other shooters in the league are getting paid, tbh..

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I rewatched Game 1 vs Golden State from last year and when Thompson fouls out, Webber says "He needs to learn to not put himself in situations like that when he already has 5 fouls, fortunately they arent going to need him until game 2" They were up 16 when that happened and it was the first points of the massive comeback from that foul. Webber :lmao

[Chinook]

:lolIt probably was now that I think about it.

Miller seems to think that every prolific three-point shooter is as much of a glass-cannon as he was. He was calling for the Thunder to take advantage of Green every time down the floor, despite how little success they were having.

[Malik Hairston]

I rewatched Game 1 vs Golden State from last year and when Thompson fouls out, Webber says "He needs to learn to not put himself in situations like that when he already has 5 fouls, fortunately they arent going to need him until game 2" They were up 16 when that happened and it was the first points of the massive comeback from that foul. Webber :lmao

Webber was cheering hard for the Warriors in that series IIRC:lol..

Everybody in the media seems to love the Warriors for whatever reason..even to the point where Klay Thompson has become massively overrated..

[Chinook]

San Fran is like Seattle. People apparently love living there, so their sports teams get hyped up. The opposite is why teams like the Spurs never get their due.

[apalisoc_9]

Sounds about rigt...

he's worth 36/4 IMO

[RD2191]

Miller seems to think that every prolific three-point shooter is as much of a glass-cannon as he was. He was calling for the Thunder to take advantage of Green every time down the floor, despite how little success they were having.
:lolYeah, but for some reason almost every analyst seems to hate on the Spurs. They're pretty much forced to give them credit by how well the Spurs play. Maybe they're just jealous I guess. (I know I sound like a High School girl):lol

[Chinook]

Maybe they're just jealous I guess. (I know I sound like a High School girl):lol

OMG. Totes McGotes. They're, like, so jelly.

[RD2191]

OMG. Totes McGotes. They're, like, so jelly.
:lol

[anakha]

A Mean Girls-styled analysis of the NBA would be pretty damn funny, tbh.

[RD2191]

A Mean Girls-styled analysis of the NBA would be pretty damn funny, tbh.
That would be so fetch.

[SupremeGuy]

Where are our capologists? Are we going to be able to afford him and Leonard? Please say yes :cry

[anakha]

IIRC, a reasonable increase for Green would be about 5-6M additional at most, a cap hit the Spurs should be easily able to absorb.

[Galileo]

Get Green the green!!!

[Chinook]

Where are our capologists? Are we going to be able to afford him and Leonard? Please say yes :cry

Yes. That's not a question, really. Rather, we're wondering if the Spurs will have a max deal to hand out in July.

[Dex]

One of the top 5 two-way SGs in the league these days, tbh. Definition of a 3-and-D specialist, a la Bowen.

Hard to believe when you consider the sideline-dancing scrub he was 4 years ago, but Green has really made a player out of himself.

If he can truly develop his ability to drive and/or finish at the rim, he could easily command that type of money.

[AFBlue]

Seems like an overpay based on his limited upside and lack of a reliable in-between game, but the Spurs have overpaid before. He's a great fit with corporate knowledge, and there's not really a replacement for his skillset on the roster or in the system.

[spurraider21]

That would be so fetch.
omg stop trying to make fetch happen

[RD2191]

omg stop trying to make fetch happen
:lmaospurraider coming though like a boss.

[spurraider21]

:lmaospurraider coming though like a boss.
i dont care how gay it sounds, im a big fan of that movie :lol

"she doesn't even go here" :lmao

[RD2191]

i dont care how gay it sounds, im a big fan of that movie :lol

"she doesn't even go here" :lmao
:lmaoI want my pink shirt back!

[spurraider21]

:lmaoI want my pink shirt back!
tbh i've been personally victimized by regina george

[RD2191]

tbh i've been personally victimized by regina george
:lol

[Malik Hairston]

Damn, this thread went soft in a hurry, tbh:lol..

[baseline bum]

Jodie Meeks is pulling $6.3 million a year and Channing Frye $8 million, so Green's market value should be somewhere for $8-$9 million a year over at least 3 years. If he has a third consecutive strong playoffs expect it to be a lot closer to the 9 than the 8.

[TrueSpursFan]

I thought I was alone! I can watch that movie over and over lol

[RD2191]

I thought I was alone! I can watch that movie over and over lol
:bobo

[AFBlue]

Jodie Meeks is pulling $6.3 million a year and Channing Frye $8 million, so Green's market value should be somewhere for $8-$9 million a year over at least 3 years. If he has a third consecutive strong playoffs expect it to be a lot closer to the 9 than the 8.

Meeks was an obvious overpay criticized pretty much universally. And Frye is a big, so there's a different standard. For instance, Splitter at $9M for his specialized role is market value, but 3&D guards just historically don't get paid to that level.

Not saying he couldn't pull that kind of money in...only takes one team...but I think it world still be an overpay.

[FireMicoHalili]

this is Jodie Meeks' fault

[spurraider21]

i hope to see green stay with the spurs. it will be pricey, but having kawhi and green together at the wings is something that no other team can replicate defensively.

everything is in limbo right now with tim and manu though

[Ginobili3]

"danny green isn't the on-ball defender that klay is"

:lol
:lmao

[Raven]

12-14 per year range tbh

[SupremeGuy]

Yes. That's not a question, really. Rather, we're wondering if the Spurs will have a max deal to hand out in July.Will WE? :cry

Are you hoping for LA? Holy fuck, him, Twilight, Kawhi, and DG would be insane.

[dabom]

12-14 per year range tbh

tbh ur a stupid fuck.

[Dverde]

Spurs have no one to replace him. I think they pay him up to 8M to stay. His last contract has been a steal. Manu will probably retire and they can use that money for Green. Someone will probably throw 9-10M at him. Then it comes down to whether Green takes lesser money to stay.

[Mark in Austin]

I was originally thinking lower, at around 7M per year. But now my guess is 4 years, 34 million (8.5M/yr). If I remember correctly, teams can only have 1 five year contract. If that's the case, I'm sure The Spurs have reserved that slot for Kawhi.

[KL2]

Team WILL over pay for him, especially if he keeps improving. He's becoming one of the best role players in the NBA, the type of guy you need on your squad to lock down opposing guards like Cp3, Westbrook, Lillard, Curry, etc.

The question is, can the Spurs get away with signing him for less if TD/Manu retire? I can especially see TD retiring to spend time with his kids, hopefully by winning another title.

Spurs would automatically be rebuilding trying to fill that huge gap. They could go after free agents, but since when have they ever had success luring free agents?

[Gagnrath]

I'm less worried about green and kawhi than about how replaces Duncan and what happens with Splitter... Splitter benefits greatly on offense by playing next to Duncan who even at this advanced age can be pretty much guaranteed to have their best big man guarding him. Splitter becoming a teams first big man on offense is not exactly a rousing prospect for the offensive end. Who do the spurs have cap-space to get that even acts as a pale imitation of Duncan?

[baseline bum]

Will WE? :cry

Are you hoping for LA? Holy fuck, him, Twilight, Kawhi, and DG would be insane.

Won't happen. The cap should come in at $63.2 million. If Tim and Manu both retire, the committed salary, assuming they want to re-sign both Leonard and Green, will be

1. Tony Parker: $14 million
2. Tiago Splitter: $8.5 million
3. Kawhi Leonard cap hold: $7.63 million (pay the qualifying offer then go over the cap to give him his extension)
4. Boris Diaw: $7.5 million
5. Danny Green cap hold: $6 million (then go over the cap to sign him to a market deal)
6. Patty Mills: $3.2 million
7. Kyle Anderson: $1.14 million
8-12. Cap holds totalling $2.54 million

Those contracts and cap holds total $50.51 million. With a $63.2 million cap that gives $12.69 million in capspace, which isn't anywhere close to Aldridge's market value. To me, best case scenario is having Duncan and Ginobili healthy and back another year, because their production will be impossible to replace with $12.69 million in capspace.

[Mugen]

I'd much rather have Fat Gasol than Aldridge as well. Neither is a realistic possibility tho.

Assuming Green improves even more this year, a contract at 8-9mil is a no brainer for the Spurs. Locking up Danny + Kawhi for the next 4-5 years to pair with Parker/Splitter is solid start to life after Timmy tbh.

[baseline bum]

If they want to renounce Danny Green they can get pretty close to a max slot and might have a chance at Aldridge. That would mean starting Patty Mills at the two though, and filling out the entire bench other than Diaw and Anderson with minimum salary players.

[Chinook]

A bit off, BB. Cap should be $66.5 Million or so next summer (it's $63M now) . Also, the Spurs will have to deal with LJC's' cap hold and the hold for their first-rounder. So the team will have around $15 Million in space.

[TheWriter]

Pay him what he wants. Still young and he deserves it, imo.

When does he stop being young?

[baseline bum]

A bit off, BB. Cap should be $66.5 Million or so next summer (it's $63M now) . Also, the Spurs will have to deal with LJC's' cap hold and the hold for their first-rounder. So the team will have around $15 Million in space.

Can the Spurs renounce LJC? Nothing about his performance in France says he can play in the NBA.

[Chinook]

Can the Spurs renounce LJC? Nothing about his performance in France says he can play in the NBA.

I guess. But they won't. He's done them a solid for two years by staying over. It would be all kinds of messed up.

[TheyCallMePro]

No way should Spurs pay Danny Green more than 7 million a year.

4 years/30 million is what it should be. Anything more and he can take a walk.

[RD2191]

No way should Spurs pay Danny Green more than 7 million a year.

4 years/30 million is what it should be. Anything more and he can take a walk.
Yeah, and the Spurs can also enjoy their early walks home in the 1st round.

[spurraider21]

No way should Spurs pay Danny Green more than 7 million a year.

4 years/30 million is what it should be. Anything more and he can take a walk.
do you realize that 4/30 is more than 7 million a year? :lol

[Mugen]

do you realize that 4/30 is more than 7 million a year? :lol

:rollin

[exstatic]

The new TV deal is supposed to be announced tomorrow. If you're thinking 7.0-7.5M, that will pretty much translate to 9.0M with the new inflated salary cap.

[BanditHiro]

The new TV deal is supposed to be announced tomorrow. If you're thinking 7.0-7.5M, that will pretty much translate to 9.0M with the new inflated salary cap.

yeah new cap is apparently going to be around the 88 million range. 9 million a yea doesn't seem so bad.

[spurraider21]

yeah new cap is apparently going to be around the 88 million range. 9 million a yea doesn't seem so bad.
7 mil under the current 63 mil cap equates to about 9.7 mil on an 88 mil cap

[look_at_g_shred]

For sure and well deserved!!!

[MI21]

I think Green can justify that sort of money, proven playoff performer, one of the best long range shooters in the league, top 5% of the league defensively and a certified long dick nigga.

I'm not sure other teams would offer him that much, I can see opposition front offices thinking he is entirely a Spurs system product, so Spurs may be able to lock him up a little cheaper.

[Raven]

do you realize that 4/30 is more than 7 million a year? :lol

:lol

[RD2191]

I think Green can justify that sort of money, proven playoff performer, one of the best long range shooters in the league, top 5% of the league defensively and a certified long dick nigga.

I'm not sure other teams would offer him that much, I can see opposition front offices thinking he is entirely a Spurs system product, so Spurs may be able to lock him up a little cheaper.
:lol

[cjw]

Teams who need a win-now piece just don't have the cap space to give him that big of a deal.

Right, most teams will have the MLE at best and this should let the Spurs sign him for $7-$8mm per year. 5 / $35 would be great value. Thompson is younger and may have more runway to grow, but is limited just like Danny is in certain facets of his game.

[Mel_13]

When it's all said and done, I believe that the Spurs will lock up Kawhi and Danny on five year deals. It's consistent with how they've done things for more than a decade. While I don't think it will take 9M per year to retain Danny, I can see them going all the way to 5/40 to keep him.

[Mel_13]

Looks like the new TV deal for the NBA will be in the neighborhood of 24 billion dollars over nine years. Getting Kawhi at the 2015 max and Danny at upwards of 9M per year on five year deals beginning in 2015 may look like bargains from 2017-2020.

[spurraider21]

When it's all said and done, I believe that the Spurs will lock up Kawhi and Danny on five year deals. It's consistent with how they've done things for more than a decade. While I don't think it will take 9M per year to retain Danny, I can see them going all the way to 5/40 to keep him.


Looks like the new TV deal for the NBA will be in the neighborhood of 24 billion dollars over nine years. Getting Kawhi at the 2015 max and Danny at upwards of 9M per year on five year deals beginning in 2015 may look like bargains from 2017-2020.
good news about the CBA projections, and having Kawhi + Green gives us a competitive advantage over the rest of the league as far as how flexibly we can handle defensive assignments

[wildchild]

I'm less worried about green and kawhi than about how replaces Duncan and what happens with Splitter... Splitter benefits greatly on offense by playing next to Duncan who even at this advanced age can be pretty much guaranteed to have their best big man guarding him. Splitter becoming a teams first big man on offense is not exactly a rousing prospect for the offensive end. Who do the spurs have cap-space to get that even acts as a pale imitation of Duncan?

They've the cap room, they'll make a run at some big name but then they'll overpay for middle-level talent...

No many free agents are willing to live in San Antonio, so the Spurs want Aldridge but they will sign some guy like Millsap.
Don't get me wrong I like Millsap, I'm just saying the Spurs won't sign a superstar as Tim replacement next summer.

[Seventyniner]

They've the cap room, they'll make a run at some big name but then they'll overpay for middle-level talent...

No many free agents are willing to live in San Antonio, so the Spurs want Aldridge but they will sign some guy like Millsap.
Don't get me wrong I like Millsap, I'm just saying the Spurs won't sign a superstar as Tim replacement next summer.

Aldridge is better than Millsap, but at least offensively, Millsap is just about as good of a fit next to Splitter if Splitter is willing to take on a bigger role in the post. Millsap has legit 3-point range and will not command nearly as high of a salary.

[wildchild]

Aldridge is better than Millsap, but at least offensively, Millsap is just about as good of a fit next to Splitter if Splitter is willing to take on a bigger role in the post. Millsap has legit 3-point range and will not command nearly as high of a salary.

Well, if the Spurs try to find a frontcourt match for Tiago, they need an offensive PF.
I'm not sure if Millsap is that guy but at least he increased his offensive role since Horford's injury

[spurspokesman]

4yr/28 is fair imo

[100%duncan]

do you realize that 4/30 is more than 7 million a year? :lol

:lmao

[Mark in Austin]

With that crazy jump in the cap I wouldn't be surprised if Green's contract came into the 4/$38 - 4/$44 range. My understanding is the team can give only one 5 year deal under the new CBA rules.

[Sean Cagney]

I remember watching a game last year and the Spurs were playing some garbage team. I don't remember who exactly and the analyst/commentator says "Danny Green isn't known for his defense". I just walked out of my living room.

I swear sometimes you hear some of the dumbest crap that just makes you shake your head from so called experts or announcers.
For sure and well deserved!!!

I agree.

[Chinook]

With that crazy jump in the cap I wouldn't be surprised if Green's contract came into the 4/$38 - 4/$44 range. My understanding is the team can give only one 5 year deal under the new CBA rules.

Teams can only give one five-year extension. They can sign as many Bird FAs to new five-year contracts as they want.

[Jimcs50]

If Ricky Rubio is turning his nose up at 4-48, then Green is worth every bit of 4-36