Partisan

[smeagol]

It’s funny how people can be so partisan. For some posters, everything Clinton did was wrong and everything Bush does is right, and for other it’s the opposite.

Nbadan, extatic, boutons, C_b_F, cecil and others will never admit to anything Bush is doing right.

Same thing applies to Clan, TRO, Joch and others about Clinton.

It amazes me that there are not many posters in the middle of these two extremes (maybe Joe, I don’t know).

PS: I’m not calling out anybody. Those were just the names that came to mind first.

[MannyIsGod]

It’s funny how people can be so partisan. For some posters, everything Clinton did was wrong and everything Bush does is right, and for other it’s the opposite.

Nbadan, extatic, boutons, C_b_F, cecil and others will never admit to anything Bush is doing right.

Same thing applies to Clan, TRO, Joch and others about Clinton.

It amazes me that there are not many posters in the middle of these two extremes (maybe Joe, I don’t know).

PS: I’m not calling out anybody. Those were just the names that came to mind first.
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[smeagol]

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[MannyIsGod]

There are plenty of people here who are in the middle. We have our resident nuts, but for the most part the people here represent above average (intelligence wise) Americans. What did you expect?

[samikeyp]

It’s funny how people can be so partisan. For some posters, everything Clinton did was wrong and everything Bush does is right, and for other it’s the opposite.

To me....that is what politics has boiled down to. Too many politicians are more concerned with screwing the other party than helping people out and each side has there flocks of sheep bleating their support. Those people that are in the middle like Manny, myself and others (or is Manny one of the nuts? :lol) get ignored because of that.

[Clandestino]

i voted for clinton. i voted for W as well. only time i bring up clinton is when cocks like boutons say how fucked up bush is when clinton did the same or worse shit.

[smeagol]

Mikey, you are definetly in the middle. Manny, I don't know, he is very critic of both Republicans and Democrats. Does that mean he is in the middle?

[Jelly]

I agree with Smeagol. There are alot of extremists on this board (and in life) that see everything in black and white.

[samikeyp]

I voted for clinton. i voted for W as well

as did I.

I think Manny is in the middle, he might lean slightly left though. :)

[MannyIsGod]

THe problem is looking at the political spectrum in 1 dimension.

[mookie2001]

what has Bush done right?

[Duff McCartney]

If politics is a rode and there is a left, middle and right...then I'd say that I'm on the side of the road in a ditch.

[scott]

People in the "middle" can be partisan too.

[MannyIsGod]

The landscape of politics should in the very least be considered as 2 dimentional.

[scott]

I disagree. The landscape of politics shouldn't be considered at all. It is the consideration of politics that has led to the extinction of statesmenship. Keep your politics.

[MannyIsGod]

As long as there is ideology, people are going to try to label it.

[scott]

"Politics" these days have little to do with ideology. Modern politics is nothing more than the art of winning elections.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, then strike politics from my above post and insert ideology. The content of the first post had to do with political ideology not polictical posturing.

[whottt]

It’s funny how people can be so partisan. For some posters, everything Clinton did was wrong and everything Bush does is right, and for other it’s the opposite.

Nbadan, extatic, boutons, C_b_F, cecil and others will never admit to anything Bush is doing right.

Same thing applies to Clan, TRO, Joch and others about Clinton.

It amazes me that there are not many posters in the middle of these two extremes (maybe Joe, I don’t know).

PS: I’m not calling out anybody. Those were just the names that came to mind first.


I voted Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Bush.

I thought Clinton was one of the greatest Presidents ever...I didn't give a crap out Monica Lewinski...but in hindsight he played a huge role in letting 9/11 come to fruition and Al Qaeda grow into a huge threat, not to mention selling out our National Security to China.

IOW...his foreign policy and "ignore it and it'll go away/ let's all be friends" credo bit us in the ass in the long run.

I despised W when he first ran and had a lot of the same criticisms that todays libs criticize him for, but after 9/11 I was very glad he was the President...I was glad we had a President that was Patriotic and wasn't going to be talked into weak appeasement foreign policy(like we and Europe have been doing over there for the last 100 years) by Europe and the left.

Right President for this era given the other candidates...if he wasn't I wouldn't have voted for him. If Gore had won in 2000 I'd have still voted for W in 2004.

Someday we'll get back to PC liberalism...but it's not going to be until we've cleaned up the middle east....

It has to be cleaned up...it is only going to become more and more dangerous...

No one else wants to do it...no one else is going to do it...no one else can do it.

I defend W now because he gets so mercilessly attacked by the left..you just don't go after the President during a time of war like the left has done to W...so for that reason I probably come off as being a conservative even though I am not one, except on foreign policy at this time.

I totally agree with the approach the administration is taking to solving the issues in the middle east...

Everyone acts like it's an easy solution...but we are essentially trying to undo all the damage that was done to that era in the 20th century...we are not going to fix what it took 100 years for the West, and 300 years for Islam, to royally fuck up, in 3 years.


It's amazing that we toppoled Saddam as quickly as we did...it's amazing we have only lost 2000 soldiers since we have been there...easily the most successful toplling of a large military regime in history.



We made the right move with Iraq....we picked the right country to start with, I don't care if Oil was a side consideration or not...it was still the right place to start taking out the despots in the middle east...People just need to trust the Iraqis to pull this off when given a chance to show what they can do....and it will have a cultural impact across the entire middle east. THe administration is playing it straight and not trying to fuck around with the internal politics of this war...I think that's the right move and the honorable on...even if we come out of it with a more theocratic government in Iraq than we would have preferred.


And I have always hated the way anti-war movement goes about getting their opinion out...always hated it....they act like a bunch of obnoxious brats. I've also always hated the blame America for every single fucking thing mindset that modern intellectuals have...

[jochhejaam]

It’s funny how people can be so partisan. For some posters, everything Clinton did was wrong and everything Bush does is right, and for other it’s the opposite.

Nbadan, extatic, boutons, C_b_F, cecil and others will never admit to anything Bush is doing right.

Same thing applies to Clan, TRO, Joch and others about Clinton.

It amazes me that there are not many posters in the middle of these two extremes (maybe Joe, I don’t know).

PS: I’m not calling out anybody. Those were just the names that came to mind first.


Dear Smeagol,

I've never bashed Clinton.

Sincerely,
joch

whottt didn't make the list? :lol

[jochhejaam]

Mikey, you are definetly in the middle. Manny, I don't know, he is very critic of both Republicans and Democrats. Does that mean he is in the middle?

Manny's definitely to the left...not boutons-left :lol but solidly left.

[JoeChalupa]

I don't think Bush is a bad president but I do think he allowed his own willingness to go to war in Iraq cloud his judgement.
I also don't think he is doing enough to control our borders when he is so gung ho about national security.

But then again I know he covets the Hispanic vote.

[Useruser666]

There are always going to be those people who let their disdain for the "other" guy allow them to lose focus from their own true political goals.

[smeagol]

Dear Smeagol,

I've never bashed Clinton.

Sincerely,
joch

whottt didn't make the list? :lol
Sorry for the mistake, joch.

whottt, as he himself has said it many times, is conservative in foreign policy (conservative to the point of wackiness) but not conservative in many other issues.

[SWC Bonfire]

There are people who actually believe in limited government not because they are anarchists or against everything, but truly believe that it is best for the people of the nation. Americans need to have a great deal of independence, but they especially need a good dose of self-accountability and induvidualism.

[Marcus Bryant]

The older I get, the less I care.

[Extra Stout]

Manny's definitely to the left...not boutons-left :lol but solidly left.No he's not.

Manny is libertarian.

And he definitely was right about how people oversimplify ideology by thinking it's one-dimensional, left-right.

There are multiple dimensions:

Socialist-----Capitalist
Secular-----Religious
Populist-----Corporatist
Dynamist-----Statist
Libertarian-----Authoritarian
Modernist-----Traditionalist
Collectivist-----Individualist

And there are many other spectra as well.

The only reason we think in terms of left-right is because we think in European terms. The concept comes from the French legislature.

[boutons]

You people don't have a fucking clue.

Because I am vehemently anti-shrub/anti-Repug/anti-Iraq war, you moldy dildos conclude that I'm liberal, socialist, Democrat, pro-Kerry, pro-feminist, pro-abortion, communist, pro-terrorist, anti-American, anti-military, etc.

I'm actually pretty much don't-give-a-shit center, except when lives are being wasted.

[SWC Bonfire]

FYI, referring to the president of the US as "shrub" really makes you sound intelligent and by no means a raving, overly-emotional partisan bickerer.

You might want to leave that part out.

[JoeChalupa]

No more than calling Bill Clinton "Slick Willie"..
I myself refer to Bush as shrub or dubya sometimes but not out of disrespect but out of fun.

[j-6]

Or Bubba, for that matter. I at least thought shrub was slightly witty as a Jr. Bush comment rather than something out-and-out derogatory.

[Spurminator]

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[boutons]

when he stops being dumber than plant, I'll stop calling him shrub

[boutons]

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[Guru of Nothing]

The landscape of politics should in the very least be considered as 2 dimentional.

Left/right and up/down - As in, I'm above everyone else.

Here's a smiley for everyone who thinks I'm serious here.:lol

Oh, and get a spellchecker Manny, it's dementia, not dementional.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol dementia it is

[mookie2001]

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[whottt]

Quote Usama Bin Laden:

I ask the American people to force their government to give up anti-Muslim policies. The American people had risen against their government's war in Vietnam. They must do the same today.




The term "useful idiots" has been attributed to Lenin, as a description of those mindless people in the Western democracies who would always find ways to excuse whatever the Soviet Union did.



"The GRU and KGB helped fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad... What will be a great surprise to the American people is that GRU and KGB had a larger budget for antiwar propaganda in the United States than it did for economic and military support to the Vietnamese." - Russian defector Staanislov Lunev in 'Through the Eyes of the Enemy'(page 78).

[samikeyp]

when he stops being dumber than plant, I'll stop calling him shrub

Personally, I have no problem with nicknames like that but "dumber than plant"? Hmm..."Fire baaad!"

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:lol

[Dos]

yeah for most your either a democrap or a repug...

[Nbadan]

There is partisanship because in almost every situation there are those who like to talk about what happened (Liberals - Nbadan,), those that like to pretend, but actually don't have a clue what happened (Republicans - Whott), and those who sit around and ask, What the hell just happened? (Manny)

[samikeyp]

yeah for most your either a democrap or a repug...

or demoncrat [yonivore/TRO] :lol

[whottt]

There is partisanship because in almost every situation there are those who like to talk about what happened (Liberals - Nbadan,), those that like to pretend, but actually don't have a clue what happened (Republicans - Whott), and those who sit around and ask, What the hell just happened? (Manny)


No...it's that there are two types of people in this world essentially...those that want the right to be in charge of their own life...and those that think the world owes them something...

Those that think the world owes them something, in addition to being lazy...are dangerous because in advocating depency they give others the control over them, these people that gain control over them, are usually the type that want control over their own life, they just happen to want to control every one eles as well....

People that want control over their own life can instinctively recognize others that share this trait...they can also reconize is someone only wants control over their own life...and someone who wants to control everyones life...the people that want control only over their own life are constantly in enminity with those that want a handout...and those that want to control the lives of others as well as their own...that is why there always seems to be fewer people who want to control their own lives...becase a percentage of them want to control other lives as well...

When you look at these things in governmental terms...those that want a handout for doing nothing are a detriment to the ability of everyone to control their own lives...

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

The funniest thing in this forum is watching people proclaim themselves to be part of the "smart" or "right" group.

[JoeChalupa]

I'm conservative on some issues and liberal on others.

I don't vote straight ticket and probably flip-flop depending on what I know....or think I know.

[cecil collins]

Joe is the most frustrating poster. Most of the time, he might as well type, "Yeah, good point, I agree with everyone." I actually seen him express his own opinions, and original thoughts. I don't know how Whott expects us to believe he ever voted for a democrat, he is so far gone. You don't go around screaming anti-american, and try to retain the appearance of rational thought. As far as myself, I think Manny was closer in placing me in the "nuts" category(assuming I was lumped in to that). I only vote Democrat, when I must, but never vote Republican.

[whottt]

Joe is the most frustrating poster. Most of the time, he might as well type, "Yeah, good point, I agree with everyone." I actually seen him express his own opinions, and original thoughts. I don't know how Whott expects us to believe he ever voted for a democrat, he is so far gone. You don't go around screaming anti-american, and try to retain the appearance of rational thought. As far as myself, I think Manny was closer in placing me in the "nuts" category(assuming I was lumped in to that). I only vote Democrat, when I must, but never vote Republican.

Believe what you want...I am not a pro-lifer, religious, and in most world climates I am probably more worried about the environment than any other issue, that's why I am not one of the people bitching about gas prices.


IF the Democrats have the better candidate I will vote for them...but I see them moving away from issues of importance to moderate Americans like myself, and catering more and more to extremists viewpoints....also, their attacks on the Bush admin are way out of line for when we are at war.

I would never paint myself into a corner of always voting for a politican, even a bad one, because of their political party...

[cecil collins]

I think the Democrats are still solidly moderate. There are more extremists within the US, and they had to ride Kerry as that was there hope to get rid of Bush. Gas is expensive, and I don't bitch about it, but I'm not glad. Why must we be forced to utilize alternative forms of energy. Guess that's the way it goes.

[cecil collins]

I think the Democrats are still solidly moderate. There are more extremists within the US, and they had to ride Kerry as that was there hope to get rid of Bush. Gas is expensive, and I don't bitch about it, but I'm not glad. Why must we be forced to utilize alternative forms of energy. Guess that's the way it goes.

[GopherSA]

I've never bashed Clinton, but I'd be happy to start. There's so much to bring up...where to begin?